Full Show Podcast: 25 November 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's Heather Duplicity Allen drive with one New Zealand Let's
get connected.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Youth Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today,
We're going to have a chat to Lewis sa Wall,
a former Silver ferner and a former Labor Party MP,
in support of TJ Pedanada's political hacker. It looks like
hospitals and not accepting referrals so that they don't blow
out their waiting list times. It's obviously gaming the system.
We'll talk to the Association of Salary Medical Specialists and
Police Minister Mark Mitchell on the new Central Auckland Police station.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Just announced Heather Duplessy Allen.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
So it looks like the rugby bosses may have already
realized how big a mistake they made with that hacker,
because we've now learned that they've cut the political bit
that TJ Pedinada did. They've cut that out of the
version of the hacker that they've uploaded to their social
media accounts. So if you went onto their install, Twitter
or whatever, you wouldn't even know necessarily that he'd done that.
And if they have done that because they realized that

(00:59):
they made a mistake to say yes to it. They
are right, big mistake from the All Blacks, Big mistake
from Scott robertson personally saying yes to TJ when TJ
said he was going to do this. Now, before we
get into why I think it's a big mistake, let's
just clear something up first. TJ is entitled, like we
all are to have a political opinion, and I don't
think anybody's going to be surprised that he would come

(01:20):
down with this particular political opinion, right, that he would
be in support of the hikoy because we know where
he stands on things. I mean, he's already publicly supported Ihumato,
and he's publicly supported the Wellington women's team when they
did their anti government hucker. So what a surprise. Okay,
this is not a TJ problem. This is an All
Blacks problem, because the All Blacks are not in a
position where they can afford to lose fans and viewers

(01:42):
and piss people off, especially when so many of us
are already talking about how much we prefer watching the
Warriors at the moment to watching rugby union. The problem
that the All blacks have got in particular here is
that I reckon that they're most rusted on the viewers
would be Heartland New Zealand. So we're talking about farms,
rural communities, old blokes who feel really loyal to the game.

(02:05):
And I reckon quite a few of those rusted on
view as I just described to you, would actually disagree
with TJ as to whether or not they support the
Hekoy And given how intense this Treaty Principles and Hekoy
debate is, I reckon quite a few of them might
just feel kind of a bit annoyed with him that
he's presumed that he represents the views of the whole
country with that hakka, because he doesn't. And this may

(02:28):
be a surprise to TJR. I don't know, but if
he goes and has a look at the most recent polling,
he will find that almost twice as many key we
actually like Seymour's principles idea as oppose it. So the
support that the he KOI has is probably a lot
less than the support that David Seymour has based on
that polling anyway, So for TJ well known anti meat,

(02:50):
anti government chap, no problem at all with what he's done, right,
because he's heading off in a new career and his
water off a ducks back and who cares. He's made
a statement and we're all talking about him. He's probably
stoked about that. For New Zealand Rugby though, fighting to
retain its audience, and for Scott Robertson fighting to prove
himself as the new All Blacks coach. Big mistake, Heather

(03:11):
do for see el Welcome to the way in nine
two ninety two is the text number, and of course
standard text fees apply. And I'll tell you in a
minute why we're going to talk to Luisa Wallf so
stand by for that.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
Just quickly.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
On another subject, there is yet another call for the
government to tackle obesity rates, and this time from the
Helen Clark Foundation. Now the Helen Clark Foundations released a
report today which reckons more than a third of Kiwi
adults are too fat, and they reckon the way to
solve this is to shift the conversation quote from the
individual to the wider food environment we're exposed to every

(03:42):
day now. Dave Latally is a community leader and the
founder of the BBM Motivation Program.

Speaker 5 (03:46):
Dave Hello Hey, they how's it going.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Yeah, I'm very well. Thank you. Do you agree with him?
This is no longer an individual problem. It is now
a government problem.

Speaker 5 (03:55):
You know.

Speaker 6 (03:55):
It's something that I've been saying for years. You know,
I keep banging on about this. It's you know, choice,
it implies equal starting points, and a lot of the
environments that, especially in the areas that we're serving, there's
no equity there. We're surrounded by every single bad choice
that's available to us.

Speaker 5 (04:11):
It just makes it a lot harder.

Speaker 6 (04:12):
But you know, it's why around education, what we do
is what needs to happen. It's government policy and also
community working together.

Speaker 7 (04:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Look, I mean tell me something, do people, regardless of
where you come from, what environment you're in stuff, Do
we not all know already that if you put KFC
in your mouth, you're going to get fat, but if
you put a broccoli in your mouth, you're going to
be healthy.

Speaker 6 (04:35):
Oh I think I think most people would know that.
But at the same time, you know, there's a lot
of knowledge that's not being passed down to children anymore.
You know, it's not just people who are just too lazy,
but it's people who are working multiple jobs.

Speaker 5 (04:48):
Trying to keep the lights on.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
And that's the.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
Problem though, Dave. I mean, because we learn about the food,
we learn about the food triangle at school, right like
year gosh eight or nine or something like that. Isn't
the truth that when you are wealthy, you've got a
lot more time, so you can make yourself a nice
stur ry for yourself in the family. But if you're poor,
you don't have as much time. You're traveling more, you're
working longer hours to make ends meat, it's a little
bit more chaotic, so you rely on takeaways.

Speaker 5 (05:12):
One hundred one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
Now, how do we get around there?

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Poor?

Speaker 5 (05:15):
You're not only you're poor, your time poor.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
That's the most important thing.

Speaker 6 (05:18):
We've helped kids that you know this mum reached out
to me late one night, just finished work one in
the morning, reached out on Facebook. I happened to be awake,
ask me to help her fifteen year old son who
weighs two hundred and thirty kilos.

Speaker 5 (05:29):
Sure, they're the.

Speaker 6 (05:30):
Ones doing the cooking for the family because the parents
aren't there, they're working.

Speaker 5 (05:34):
So it's just I mean, it's a massive problem.

Speaker 6 (05:37):
But what we've got to do is I think is
these these companies, these sugar companies and these fast food
companies need to be you know, the most profitable places
are all in the poorest areas. I think then they
should be made to.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Good days in these communities.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
But then if the problem is that people are time
poor so they don't have the time to go to
the supermarket and buy the good food and then cock
the good food, then you know, putting a sugar tax
on is only going to make their bills more expensive.
Limiting advertising is not going to change anything. How do
we how do we actually help people then to get
the healthy food into their days when their days are
too full.

Speaker 6 (06:09):
Invest in community program It's much like ours where we've
seen the results. I mean with that kid he lost
thirty kilos to.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Us, how did you do it?

Speaker 6 (06:16):
Educated him him and his brother and his sisters. We
educate and how to cook healthy on a budget, how
to shop healthy on a budget. They've done the cooking.
That's how you break cycles. Now, it's not it's not
an immediate fix. This is but we can't we can't
look at the short term. This is long term issues
we've got to look at so that things are better
for our grandchildren.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
So so in that case, they actually did have people,
the kids in the house, who had a little bit
of time. But the problem is the kids didn't know
what to do.

Speaker 5 (06:43):
So he started schools.

Speaker 6 (06:45):
It's just investing in programs that work alongside, you know,
like just I know, when's the last time he drove through.

Speaker 5 (06:52):
Mayota Town Center or Tatta it is.

Speaker 6 (06:56):
It's a fast it's a health food dees at the
fastest swamp.

Speaker 5 (06:59):
It's a disgrace.

Speaker 6 (07:02):
So it's a lot different than driving through Remota or
where I see you sometimes.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
A ponds of me, Well, what if we got on
pondsib We've got one one KFC on pons and be
drag and that's today. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's a
fair point that you may hey, listen, Dave on another subject, though,
I'll tell you what's going to take off is the
idea that maybe we start giving people ozmpic jabs because
you know, it's expensive, but it's a hell of a
lot lot less expensive than dealing with really really fat

(07:27):
people in the health system. What do you reckon.

Speaker 6 (07:30):
I've seen I've met people that it works. I'm look,
it's still it's still out for me. Look, I still
think those options. It's like the optic gatric bypass. Those
are options, but they shouldn't be the main option or
the only option, because they don't break cycles, they don't
educate the children. That's what we've got to do here
for long term results. I mean, there was an obesity clinic.

(07:50):
The problem with the system is they always invest in
top down, never bottom up. They invested a few million
dollars in a two year pilot in obesity clinic to
give people optly fast to get them skinny enough to
get the operation, but they still might not get the
operation because they either can't afford it or they might
not get funded it. Where the program like ours from
the Couch gets two hundred and sixteen thousand, Like this

(08:11):
is where they always go wrong. They always look at
it from the top down, never bottom Uney.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
Dave, listen, thanks for talking to us. I really appreciate it.
Matere's Dave Lataley, the founder of BBM Motivation. So the
reason we're going to talk to Luisa Wall and let
me just read this text. Heather, my hobby and I
went grocery shopping today and he normally buys Recks Owner. Now,
this is the under arm that has the All Black
fern on it, but today he chose not to because
of what TJ did. TJ should never have done what
he did. If I was a sponsor, I'd be liverd Michelle,

(08:37):
thank you. We're having a debate at the moment as
to whether this is like, is this actually really going
to push people enough to turn the all Blacks off?
I mean, I think it's slow attrition, Like I'm kind
of to be honest, like, if I take myself as
an example, I'm over rugby union. I'm really just hanging
in there for the All Blacks tests and that's the
last of it. But they probably don't need to push
me too much before I just turn it off, stop watching,
and start watching the Warriors instead. So just wonder how

(08:59):
much more, like, how far can they push you before
you're like, nah, not interested in new people anymore. And
is it going to have anything to do with something
as political as this. You're welcome to let me know
nineteen nineteen, because that's a debate we're having here in
the office. So the reason we're going to talk to
Lewisa Wall is because Luisa Wall you'll know her obviously
as a Labor Party MP, which was also a former

(09:19):
Black Fern and a former silver Fern, and so she
has interest in both politics and sport and she was
very happy with what she saw TJ do. She reckons
what the all Blacks have done? Ends it are and
those guys by editing out the political but is a
form of censorship? Is she not happy about it now?
So she's going to be on with us after five
sixteen past four.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Who will take the White House results and analysis of
the US election?

Speaker 1 (09:44):
On Heather Duplessy Alan Drive with One New Zealand Let's get.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Connected the news talk sa'd bess the board with the
new tap app downloaded today Ri eighteen bed responsibly well,
I asked the.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
Question hither I I canceled my Sky subscription today because
sport is no place for politics, particularly when you have
a group of people talking about unity, but what they
really mean is unity of only one side. Goodbye Sky.

Speaker 7 (10:10):
So that was it.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
That's what it took nineteen past four And with me
now is Adam Cooper Sports Talk hoost he cuops hey. Ever,
does it surprise you that people are that angry about
the Hekoy protest in the Hacker?

Speaker 5 (10:23):
No, it doesn't surprise me.

Speaker 7 (10:24):
At all.

Speaker 8 (10:25):
I think people you don't have their fellow concerns. I
guess for me, I was watching it yesterday, I didn't
realize what was being referenced, and you know, maybe that's
on me. It didn't affect my well engagement with the
game at all, because I got onto the game and
I was probably more upset with the way the All
Backs were playing and how they finished off the year.
So that's where it's at for me. I mean, obviously,

(10:47):
you know, we don't want too much politics in sport,
but I also don't think people that know TJ Petinada
should be surprised that he used his final game after
a very distinguished career to do this and push this
forward for him, he probably saw it as an opportunity
and something you felt strongly about, and that's where it went.

(11:09):
But you know, as I said, I got onto the
game pretty fast and it was pretty more disappointed with that.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
We heard anything at all from the NZR or All
Blacks management about.

Speaker 8 (11:17):
This, No, nothing at all. I think what was interesting
was I heard a bit of discussion yesterday around a
few people that they had actually taken the start of
the Harker off the All Black Social media channels when
they shared the harker, which I found quite interesting. Is
that a statement in itself maybe, but in terms of
anything directly other than obviously you know, the captain Scott

(11:39):
Barrett and coach Scott Robertson and other teammates who fronted
interviews in the press conference's post game. Very little from
from ENZR itself around this, and I suspect that will
remain for now.

Speaker 5 (11:49):
Why.

Speaker 8 (11:52):
I just don't think they'll don't want to be drawn
into it at all. You know, what are they going
to say? Really, it's it's frustrating that this is the
talking point at the end of the year.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
Really, to be honest, this is going to be honest
with you. Don't tell anyone this. But this is why
I'm really star TJ's leaving because he is such a recidibist.
He's such a recidabist with the politics. Say, he was
the anti meat thing, and then he was supporting the
women's hocker and then he had the ihumato on his armband,
and I just got tired of all his politics in sports.
So I'm start like, great, good yay for him that

(12:24):
he did well off you go.

Speaker 8 (12:25):
Do you know what I mean, yeah, yeah, great service
for the game. But as I said that, everyone that
knows TJ and has followed his career over the years
not have been surprised with what he did yesterday.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
Hey can we talk about Auckland FC, because how good
is this? Nobody thought they'd do four from four?

Speaker 8 (12:39):
Absolutely not. Now this is a great story, isn't it.
And to start the new A League tenure, no one has,
as we say, heither has done this four from four
to start the new season. And I guess even more significantly,
they haven't even conceded a goal yet. There is not
one goal that has got past the defensive lineup or
Alex Paulson, their keeper. And you know, everyone that's been
following Alex Paulson's journey obviously Phoenix last year got that

(13:00):
signing over to the UK, then got transferred back to Auckland.
We all know his credentials, so you know his career
has you know, just just you know, had a great
moment at Auckland the f CEA. I will warn Auckland
fans who are starting to get all nasty to Phoenix
fans down here on Wellington. They're starting to get a
little bit loud a little bit arrogant. All they've had,
Heather is one one trip over to Sydney. They haven't

(13:22):
done any of the longer A league journeys. Three of
their four games have been on New Zealand soil. So
all I'll say is that it's a very long season.
Don't don't get too confident too quickly, but it is
a very It's been a very enjoyable start to the
season to watch and the Phoenix are in second, so
what a great start for the two key We have.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
Good how good coops, Thanks very much, Adam Cooper, Sports Talk,
sports talk host. Rather he'll be back at seven this evening. Listen.
I need to get you across what's happened at COP
twenty nine because it's gonna kating costy dollars stand by
four twenty three.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's hither duper c
Allen drive with one New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
Let's get connected and to be over in Australia, about
one hundred and seventy people have been arrested or charged
at least in relation to a climate protests. And we'll
have a chat to Oliver Steve Oliver Pedterson about that
when he's with us shortly and on that subject broadly.
Cop twenty nine. Now Cop twenty nine got extended no
surprise over the weekend so that they could get to
the final deal, and then they managed to get to

(14:19):
the final deal. And I do not know how this
is going to fly with people, because basically what they've
agreed to is that rich countries now have to pay
a bigger amount of money to poor countries every single
year all the way through to the year twenty thirty
five to basically help the poor countries, you know, get
themselves off the fossil fields and stuff like that. Now

(14:39):
in the past. Currently I think we're paying about this
is globally, the rich countries are paying about one hundred
billion dollars to the poor countries and that's going to
be bumped up to five hundred billion dollars. And we
do not know how much New Zealand is going to pay,
but you can do a rough calculation and maybe get
an idea. Because of the one hundred billion dollars that
is paid, we pay in New z two hundred and

(15:01):
thirty five million dollars a year. That is a lot
of money. Two hundred and thirty five million dollars a year. Now,
if the total package goes up five times, does our
contribution go up five times? Because then we're paying one
point two billion dollars a year to help some other people.
I don't know how that's gonna fly. How's that flying with?
U's not flying well with me because I feel like

(15:22):
we've got a lot of issues of our own and
we're just talking to Dave Lttelli about it anyway. Nikola
Willis Finance Ministers with US after sex Wave chat to
her here. That canceled my size my Sky subscription as well.
Hither I also canceled my side Sky subscription, mainly because
TJ is saying he's talking for everyone, but he doesn't
talk for me. So you've got at least three people
have done it. It's quite big. Three Headline's next.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
The Day's Newsmakers talk to Heather first.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Heather Dupless Allen drive with one New Zealand, let's get
connected and you talk z been so we put some.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
Shelter and some records.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
Oliver Peterson with US is very I'm having a I've
got to warn you. I'm sorry. I'm having real trouble
with English today. Which is unfortunate given my job. So
we're all just going to have to help me through
this if you don't mind to talk or me, as
they like to say, support. That's why I barry sober
in ten minutes time. Hither, I had an assessment with
a surgeon in Wellington for carful tunnel. I got a

(16:30):
letter after that from Wellington Hospital saying we currently have
more recommendations for surgical treatment than we are able to
safely provide. And the outcome is we're unable to waitlist
you for surgical treatment at this time. So we're back
to square one.

Speaker 6 (16:42):
Now.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
This is what we thank you, Chris. What we're hearing,
this is what we're hearing is happening that basically when
you turn up and you you you require a specialist appointment,
or you require an operation or something like that, rather
than putting you on the wait list, what is happening
is in some instance is the hospitals and the specialists
just flat out rejecting you. Going nap, sorry, can't take you.
Can't put you on the weight list because if they

(17:03):
put you on the weight list, the weight list gets
too long and then it doesn't meet the guard at
the government's weight time target target and so as a
result to kind of game that target, game that system.
That's just not letting people on, which is really not
the point of this at all, right. The point is
to actually measure it and fix it, not to pretend
it's not happening. This is always going to be one
of the problems with people trying to gain We're going

(17:25):
to talk to the doctors about it when they're with
us after five o'clock right now, twenty three away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
It's the world wires on newstalks, they'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
So Storm Bert is moving into England after causing damaging
floods across South Wales. The Welsh First Minister says the
floods have been absolutely devastating and a local counselor has
asked why they weren't warned about the storm ahead of.

Speaker 9 (17:44):
Time stick alating enough since fakes through it. And I
don't know if an armber warning was issued. I certainly
haven't seen it, and I'm surprised actually there wasn't a
rad warning because during the storm down is we did
see an armber warning well in advance, and.

Speaker 5 (17:58):
A red warning issue did. The UDIA was, so I
do think oly need to be revealed.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
Certainly, one hundred and seventy climate protesters have been arrested
and charged for blockading Newcastle Port yesterday. The protesters formed
of Flotulla to block ships from using the busiest coalport
in New South Wales, and the coppers say some of
the protesters put themselves in danger.

Speaker 10 (18:16):
We had thirty four people that were required to be
pulled out of the water during arrests by the police,
marinery command or divers. We had ten people that required
to be assisted back to Shaw by water police because
they couldn't get back to Shaw themselves.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
Clowns Ozzie correspondent Oliver Peterson with us shortly and finally
you really this is a weird one. Sure has revealed
she didn't know what her legal name was until she
was in her thirties. So what happened was she applied
for a copy of her birth certificate in nineteen seventy nine.

(18:54):
I think she was like thirty three or something like that,
and up to that point she thought her name was
chery Lynne, which is what her mother had always called it.
But then the birth certificate arrived and her name was
actually Sheryl and her mum was also shocked at what
her name was, but what she said to sher was
that after giving birth a month early when she was
only nineteen years old, with no pain relief, she actually

(19:14):
couldn't remember exactly what she'd written on the birth certificate.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
International correspondence with ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
That's funny. Imagine that shocked to mom, shocked to baby
Oliver Peterson six PR Perth Life presenters with I say, Oli, hey, Heather, Okay,
so how is the government going to tackle bullying? And
good luck to them?

Speaker 11 (19:36):
Absolutely, good luck to them. They're saying that what they're
going to do is write to all state premiers and
education ministers to formulate a national response to bullying. Now,
look massive issue. Absolutely, I'm not trying to sugarcoat that.
And I actually think this somewhat surprises me, Heather, that
we don't actually have the best in the brightest minds
already coming together to say, whether you're bullied at a
high school or a primary school in Perth or Adelaide

(19:58):
or Brisbane or Hobart, that they have some sort of
model the way that the schools can respond to the
allegations or to help the bullied person or individual. But
as you say, good luck to them. And if this
hasn't already been thought about or tried, or those that
expertise hasn't been shed already, what a massive failure it
has been from the Australian state governments and the federal

(20:18):
government for decades like this, This is stuff which should
have been worked on as bullying has become a more
important issue. I just feel as though that you know,
the Prime Minister is desperately searching at the moment header
for you know, a win, and he thinks he's had
a win with the social media ban on the under sixteenes.
This you know, ties into that a little bit with bullying.
And while we've got that, he's trying not to focus

(20:39):
on the Misinformation Bill, the housing stuff, which is going
to be forwarded this week in the Federal Parliament. It's
the last week of the year that they actually sit.
He's just looking for some sort of victory because he's
had a pretty tough time of it.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
As of like is it enough.

Speaker 11 (20:52):
No, it's not enough, it's not enough. I mean, one,
if you want to look at, you know, the idea
that you know, first, on this bullying thing, the fact
that you just write and get collaboration from the States
ministers and the federal government. Again, they should have been
doing that already. That's not going to be a vote
winner for people. But two, you know, the economy at
the moment is still the number one issue in this country.

(21:15):
The government is not tackling that to the to the
level that I think Australians are expecting, and they're just
almost limping their way towards an election next year. There's
just so much uncertainly about when that will be.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
Yep, fair enough. So tell me about these guys who
got arrested at the climate protest.

Speaker 11 (21:31):
I mean, isn't this nuts you think about? You know,
you can have protests, but to go out into the
harbor channel there in Newcastle one hundred and seventy people
and we're talking about even a baby on a kayak,
a twelve month old on a kayak. I mean that
child should actually be taken from its parents and given
to child services.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
Because you can make.

Speaker 11 (21:49):
Your song and dance, but the idea that you would
go on protest in a harbor working channel is just
beyond the extreme dangers that you can really comprehend. I
mean we had to see dozens of people being helped
out of the water. One hundred and fifty six people
were arrested and fourteen children arrested for these protests. Obviously
this was an anti cold protest. They defied directions not

(22:11):
to edit that shipping channel. And think of all the
resources it took for the water police and the police
in general to bring this crowd under control.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
You're not telling me, Ollie that they're going to charge kids.
Well they probably won't.

Speaker 11 (22:22):
They get them a slap on the wrist, and they'll
probably going to do it again next week.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
Well, like, how young are we talking with the kids?
Are we talking like sixteen year old kids? All one
year old kids?

Speaker 11 (22:29):
No, we're talking teenagers. I don't think I don't think
the baby or I don't think the baby on the
kayak was charged.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
His parents should be.

Speaker 11 (22:35):
But I think they've charged the baby.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Why not tough on crime stardom young? I was wondering
about that. I'm surprised. I've got to be honest with
you to see that you guys are only in Victoria
getting the testing trial for the pills this upcoming summer.
You tell me that this has never happened before they
have any camera.

Speaker 11 (22:52):
For the last couple of summers they've tried it, but
you know, this is probably the first, say mainstream states.
Sorry to all the Canburians, we'll be upset with that,
but theyre going to do it yet this summer they're
going to launch it at least five different festivals, the
first one being a festival that runs into the December
twenty eighth to January one. There's about thirty five thousand
people that go to that.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
So look, you know what, I'm actually.

Speaker 11 (23:11):
Four pill testing.

Speaker 5 (23:12):
I know that.

Speaker 11 (23:13):
You know people say that means you know legitimate drugs.

Speaker 12 (23:15):
Well, no you're not.

Speaker 11 (23:16):
I just hope that some people who go put those
things through the machines turn around and go, geez, you
know that was in it. Yeah, I look at you
having that again.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
Right, But they're going to shove it in their faces regardless, right,
so you may as well make sure it's safe if
they're going to do it. I agree.

Speaker 11 (23:30):
So they'll be doing it this summer, and I reckon
other states will follow suit. Watch I can w al
be sooner rather than later.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
Hey, good on you, thank you so much. Ollie has
always of a Peterson six pr per Life presenter Here
the New Zealand is a free country with free speech,
supposedly after listening to you, Good on pet and Natda
for taking the opportunity to express his views. Those goose
stepper clowns who say they're going to watch only the
Wars now will be seeing heaps of Mardi Flags, insignia
and anti legislation signs everywhere at the games. How they're
going to handle that while they're watching a team that

(23:56):
finished thirteenth this season season Charlie, thank you, Hither I
love Mark mitchell I worked with them in the police
and Gusy and good on them for reinstating a central
police station. Yes, it's happening in Auckland. They've got a
new one. It's on Federal Street, not far away from
the one that they shut down just the other day.
Barry Sober will run us through the details when he's
with us shortly sixteen away.

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Speaker 3 (24:19):
Barry Soper seeing your political correspondence with us, Hey, Barry,
good afternoon, Heather. Okay, So this new police station, it's
on Federal Street in Auckland. It does it sound like
it's like road frontage or is it upstairs?

Speaker 13 (24:28):
No, it's going to be they're going to have a
street frontage, are they. This isn't that way at the moment.
But at the moment they occupy two floors in this building. Yeah,
and no're negotiating with the tenants, by the sounds of things,
to get off the other two floors and then they'll
occupy the whole building. That'll cost the taxpayer, of course,
quite a lot of money. And I thought they may

(24:51):
go back to but it's probably too late because it
would have been sold on a mural drive. That was
they moved out of that in twenty nineteen. They went
to Freeman's Bay to College Street and that's the main
Central Auckland police station. There's been a campaign to get
a police station in Central Auckland for some time, but

(25:12):
some of the critics would say, well, look to get
from College Hill to Federal Street takes no time at all,
So why are we wasting our money to get into
the city.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
About people being able presence, it's about you're in trouble,
somebody's having a somebody smashed you in the face. You
need to go see a copper, you know where to
find them. Why they shut down the Meryll Street one,
by the way.

Speaker 13 (25:34):
Well, presumably because they'd built this new one on College Hill,
which is a pretty flash police station. The nice aspect
of it today was it's the first day of the
new police Commissioner, Richard Chambers job in the job, so
it's his first day on duty and they are the
Prime Minister and he were downstairs talking to the beat cops.

(25:56):
They found a cop that was his first day on
the job, so they all got a photo together, and
I thought that would have been rather nice. Wayne Brown's
really happy because this police station he lives in the city.
He said it's great for him because he'll feel much
safer now that the cops have established themselves. There'll be
fifty one police at the new station.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
So yeah, I'll tell you what. When I was at university,
it was perfectly fine to wander around that part of
town where that cop shop was on Meryl Drive. So
you'd wander up Grays have no problem at all. You'd
go to the local theater there and stuff because there
was downtown food and all that kind of stuff. Cop
shop's gone that place. I would not walk down it now.

(26:39):
So it says a lot about the importance of a
police presence.

Speaker 5 (26:41):
I think it does.

Speaker 13 (26:42):
And the funny at the parade, the Christmas parade the
other day here in Auckland, I was down there and
I got one of the cops to take a photograph
of me and my little boy. Yeah, and I said,
I know it's not your job description, but I've got
to say so. I saw a lot of cops around
there and I thought, you know, it was good to see.

Speaker 5 (27:01):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 13 (27:02):
They will have their work cut out though, because one
of them left the Police commissioner. So the Prime Minister's
itinerary when when he was in Queenstown yesterday on the
dashboard or the car, so they may have cull put
over that one. And I think it's probably fair enough
that it's one of those things that you probably don't
think about when you're jumping out of the car to

(27:22):
open the door for the Prime minister and you leave
it on the dashboard.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
Probably, as somebody made the point, not so bad with Luxeon,
would have been terrible with Jacinda because of the fields
around it totally and yeah, yeah, So what do you
make of the first year of the coalition government.

Speaker 13 (27:34):
Well, I'll tell you what that police station launched. The
Prime Minister was enthusiastic about ending his first year. He said,
the government has performed well, have listened.

Speaker 14 (27:45):
We've made some tremendous progress over the last twelve months.
We know there's a lot more for us to do.
I have to say, twelve months into this job, I
feel incredibly optimistic about the future for New Zealand. I
think there is no reason why together we can't build
the best small country on planet Earth period. And we
know we've got work to do economically, socially, environmentally, but
we're working our way through that. We certainly for now

(28:07):
are in a turnaround job.

Speaker 13 (28:08):
Yeah, they are, and it's going to be really interesting.
We've had a baptism afar. Let's face it had a
hell of a time and they took the Treasury benches.
But it's interesting to me the dynamics between the leadership
because that shared deputy prime ministership. That's never been done before.
So in main X year you're going to have David
Seymour sit alongside the Prime Minister in the House and

(28:31):
Winston Peters will no doubt be relegated, but he'd be
pretty close by, I would imagine. But look, you only
have to look down as I did last week on
the Prime Minister and Winston Peters to see that the
rapport between these two is very good and certainly they
obviously get on well. We saw in an interview with
the Prime Minister that he and his wife and Winston

(28:55):
and his partner have dinner from time to time. Not
the same with David Seymour, but Dane Sema was a
much more difficult character to work with than what Winston
Peters would be.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
It's not allowed on the double dates. Okay. Now, as
a rugby fan, did TJ make you angry?

Speaker 5 (29:14):
I yelled at the screen.

Speaker 13 (29:15):
I wonder what he was doing and there was a
lot of grunting and stuff before the harker started. And
to learn that he was involving himself in politics in
the way he did with what is our national sport,
I thought was, you know, call me old fashioned, but
I really don't believe there's a place for politics on
the field, on the rugby field when you're at an

(29:38):
international test fixture. And I thought it was not unforgivable,
but it was unacceptable. The thing that worries me Heather
that we've heard Debbie rolling packing beating her gums about. Look,
the harker is our way of expressing ourselves. So in

(29:58):
the house when we saw that hukkah a couple of
weeks ago, you can probably bet your bottom dollar there'll
be more of that sort of behavior in the House
of the Speaker doesn't do something.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
About Barry, were you not proud of the All Blacks
when they said that they were not going to go
to South Africa in opposition to the apartheish?

Speaker 5 (30:15):
Absolutely, But this.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
Is so, why is okay for politicspecting no, no, Now.

Speaker 13 (30:19):
That was a totally different situation. It wasn't an internal
New Zealand problem, although the country was divided on the
apart eid issue. But that's a totally different scenario to
what this is and the Treaty of Wye.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
Tonguey okay, Thank you Berry, appreciate it. Barry, so for
seeing your political correspondence seven away from.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Five, digging into the issues that affect you, the mic
asking breakfast.

Speaker 15 (30:43):
I think there was sticking a number next to it
because twenty nine just remind you there were twenty eight
other times it didn't quite come together the.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Way they thought, well, we have had it has been
a necessary negotiation.

Speaker 5 (30:55):
So what is it?

Speaker 15 (30:56):
Is it behavior related? Is it how they teach, what
they teach? What's happened?

Speaker 16 (31:02):
I think it's a whole combination effect.

Speaker 15 (31:04):
Is back tomorrow at six am the mic asking Breakfast
with the Rain driver of the LAHN News talk z B.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Hey, good news if you're on the hormone replacement therapy,
you know, obviously just for the women. By the way,
it looks like Farmac will change the brand that they're
using because there's been such a shortage of these patches
that unfortunately women have been cutting them in half and
trying to make them stretch and stuff like that. Anyway,
there's a brand change, so that sounds like it's a
good thing, and we're going to talk to somebody about
that in about half an hour's time. Heather Share is

(31:35):
how's it pronounced? Shares pronounced?

Speaker 5 (31:37):
Chare?

Speaker 3 (31:38):
Not sure your name isn't pronounced Heather? Look, thank you?
Do you know what news to me today? I don't know.
I've been calling her shir the whole time, like a
lot of you people called bono bono when it's actually bono.
So anyway, what can I say, do you know what
on names? Like I felt, I felt for her on names?
May it be called Serlyn? Imagine that being your It

(32:01):
sounds like it sounds like west Like that is like
at the epitome of west Auckland, isn't it? Anyway? So
we went around to got the baby on the way
and it's a girl went round to somebody's house last
night for a zero alcohol beer and we were talking
about baby names and they asked me, oh, what are
you going to call the baby? And I said, well,
I mean, if I want to stick with the family names,
then I probably have to give the baby, you know,

(32:23):
my mum's name, But I don't. I don't want to
call the baby Elizabeth. I hate it, I said, not
holding back. I hate it. I hate Elizabeth. Wow anyway,
and then the woman was like, oh, cool, Heather, what's
my name? And I was like, oh, Lizzy, sorry, yeah,
just told him Elizabeth. How much I hate the name
of Elizabeth.

Speaker 12 (32:41):
Now.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Why I felt like that was an okay thing to
say is because my middle name is Elizabeth. So I
mean I have like i'm proprietal self hatred. That's okay, right,
But also, what's your mum's middle name. What's your mum's
first name? You want to call your baby your mum's
first name? No, nobody does, Nobody wants to. It's perfectly
fine to hold that a peace. But anyway, I apologize
in advance to all the Elizabeths out there, t J

(33:04):
pat ANDATA getting everybody worked up. Were gonna have a
chat to Lewisa Wall about that. Former silver Fern also
former Labor MP. Very upset that the All Blacks have
edited the video and stuck the wrong version up without
the political part. And then after that, let's talk to
the doctors about the gaming of the system that's going
on with the old health targets, say, News Talk.

Speaker 17 (33:22):
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Speaker 17 (33:40):
Not nepirely going that far, but really strong relationship.

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Speaker 3 (33:47):
Does that mean the other half thing?

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Speaker 1 (34:07):
Heather, do the the Elan drive with one New Zealand,
let's get connected and you talk as that'd be.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
Good afternoon. It turns out the All Blacks have edited
the version of the Hukker that they put on their
social media accounts. So what's happened is before uploading the
video they have removed the controversial political bit from TJ
Petnada at the start where he says in Mari the
sovereignty of the land, the people and the Treaty of
white Tongey remains. Former Black Fern and former Labour Party
MP Luisa wallers with me. Now, hey, Luisa counter Heather,

(34:36):
how do you feel about that?

Speaker 17 (34:38):
About the editing? Hmmm, well, it's not been done before.
As far as I know, we never edit, Hucker.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
Do you know whether they put the video up, got
the responses, took it down, edited and re uploaded or
is this just how they uploaded it in the first place.

Speaker 17 (34:55):
I presume it's how they uploaded it, which begs the
question who made that decision? And I chose on my
social media platform to share Sky's version which was the
hooker as it was delivered for our Sunday morning Saturday
night in Italy, which is what normally happens.

Speaker 7 (35:12):
Right, we love the hacker.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
This suggests to me that they are already feeling the
heat or maybe regretting the course of action that they're
taken by saying yes to it.

Speaker 17 (35:21):
Yeah, somebody in there is. Obviously the players went and
the management didn't seem to, so you know, I take
Razor on his word. He was pretty clear about what
the hooker, what was behind the hooker, and the purpose
of the hooker was to call for unity back home,
which is what we want when our team goes out
on the field, to be honest, we want to unify

(35:42):
team ready to do the business. So you know, TJ
was accorded that leadership responsibility. He's, from what I can see,
played eighty nine tests and that's what it was, is
fifty eighth calling the hacker, so you know they trust
him to lead them.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
Louis, I think it's appropriate for him to have done
what he did, given given that the hacker is. It
feels like an all Black supporter. It feels like it's
done on behalf of the whole country, and the whole
country is not in support of the he cooy So
is it appropriate.

Speaker 17 (36:14):
Then, well, the whole country has been in supportive the
hooker that has been performed by the All Blacks since
nineteen oh five. None of us have ever had editorial rights,
and there's been an evolution of the hooker over time,
and in fact we have two forms of the hacker.
But every year the team goes through a process of

(36:37):
determining how they will do the hooker, which is about
it's a tech hunger issue. And who has vested with
the responsibility to lead the hooker on behalf of the
All Blacks and TJ was vested with that leadership responsibility.
He obviously talked to his teammates and his coach and
others about what the purpose intent was behind the hooker.

(37:01):
So that's their choice. Surely, why should any of us
now have a problem with the hooker being led the
way it was?

Speaker 3 (37:09):
Luisa, thank you very much. I really appreciate that Lewis
and will former Blackfern and also former Labor Party MP.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Hell do for see alis.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
So there's been a report that specialist doctors are refusing
to see patients because the waiting lists are already too long,
and this has come about because a letter from Parmestan
North Hospital's orthopedic clinic to a GP says a patient
can't be accepted. The waiting time targets have been leaked
to media because of the waiting time targets. Rather, Sarah
Dalton is the executive director of the Association of Salaried
Medical Specialists and is with us now, Hey, Sarah, Hey, Heather,

(37:38):
how are you doing very very well? Thank you that
we've got one example here, But is this happening more regularly?

Speaker 4 (37:43):
Yeah, but I would reframe it. They're not refusing to
see patients they physically cannot given the resources they currently have,
the staffing levels we currently have, the access to clinics
and operating theaters and hospital beds we currently have. They
want to see those patients, believe you me, But.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
Why can't they just put the people at the bottom
of the waiting list and then let the people work
their way up.

Speaker 4 (38:05):
I think the point they're making is that if they
put someone on a waiting list like that at this time,
that person is never going to make their way up,
and so they are trying to inject I think some
honesty and some realism into what we call unmet needs.
So we are a wash in secondary unmet need in
New Zealand, which is all of those people who need
care but can't access it because of rationing. So making

(38:26):
a statement yeah I think so, but also being honest,
like it is so frustrating.

Speaker 7 (38:31):
I was listening.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
To the GPS on the radio this morning saying, this
is a real problem for us. We don't have the
resources we're being asked to manage these patients. We're only
referring them because they need hospital level care. We know
that our members know that. It is a real frustration.
So basically that funders and decision makers further up the

(38:55):
heap are leaving it on the shoulders of specialist GPS
and hospital specialists to say, hey, you sort it out.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
Okay, this is not about gaming the waiting time targets.

Speaker 4 (39:08):
It is not from the perspective of our members, the
senior doctors, they are trying to say, hey, we need
to talk honestly with people about what we're able to
do at the moment. The government setting targets without providing
resources to meet them, that's a game all of its own.
We could talk about that there will be pressure on
hospital managers to gain the targets to show that they

(39:28):
are making progress against them. It is a real, really
problematic way to try and manage the pressures on our
health system.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
Sarah, thank you appreciate it. That's Sarah Dalton. Association of
Salary Medical Specialist Executive.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
Director, Heather duplusy Ellen now.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
Longtime fan of Torri Faro on this show, as you know,
and quite I feel like if Tory Faro was a
Netflix series, I'd be able to quote bits of it
back to you, you know, like that's how much I'm
ingesting of Tory Fano. And one of my favorite things
that happens with Tori is that Tory likes to talk
about how the Wellington City Council under her is putting
so much water into fixing the pipes, so much money

(40:04):
in fixing the water pipes, rather that they've just injected
the highest ever investment. She's always going on about highest
ever investment. You think, WHOA must be a lot of money,
is it though? Coming off a low base? Let me
tell you about it. So Wellington City Council needs to
fix hundreds of kilometers of pipes. Right at the moment,

(40:25):
they are fixing less than one k a year. The
total amount, the total amount that needs to be replaced
would stretch or fix would stretch from Wellington to way
past Fiji. The pipes that are in what they call
a poor condition would stretch from Wellington to Auckland's north shore.
The pipes that are in a very poor condition would
stretch from Wellington to beyond thy Hupeh. They are only

(40:48):
spending enough money every year to fix the pipes along
Landon Key.

Speaker 18 (40:53):
Now, if that's the highest investment that they've ever done,
does this tell you why the pipes are breaking in
well If the fixing welling Wellington's Lampton Key every year
is the biggest amount that they've.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
Ever spent, what the hell were they spending before? Anyway? Oh,
the places are shambles. Yet they're spending so much money
laying roads, ripping them up again, putting down some speed bumps,
ripping them up again, putting down some cycle ways, driving
everybody nuts, driving businesses out. Anyway, Speak to one of
the counselors about it, about half past six, quarter past. Hey,

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Speaker 1 (42:20):
Mzgither do for clan.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
Eighteen past five now good news for men appausal women
who've been and everybody else around them who've been struggling
with the shortage of HRT patches. Far Mac has today
announced it's going to change the funded brand for the
patches because of the shortage issues that we've had. Doctor
Linda dere is the clinical director of MENO doctor and
with us now, Linda, Hello, Hello, Hey. This sounds like
good good news, is it?

Speaker 16 (42:45):
It's kind of a mixture of good and maybe bad
because they what they're going to do is basically fund
only one brand of patch, which is called my Lamb.
And unfortunately, some women don't get home with my Land.
So for the women who don't get on with my
Land that this is going to make them feel a
little bit uneasy and a bit anxious. But on the

(43:07):
positive side, there are other options for those women, but
it means they might have to then do a bit
of work before their particular brand patch is no longer
funded as of first December next year.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
Why is it that we were funding only one brand?
I mean that seems like that wasn't a really smart idea,
was it.

Speaker 16 (43:26):
Oh no, we weren't. So before we were funding several brands.
So this is now restricting funding to one brand only
because that particular brand has come back and said we
can guarantee supply because one of the big problems with
Eastern patches has been trying to get hold of any
So what they are doing is choosing a brand that

(43:48):
won't run out on us. But the downside is women
don't have as much options for patches now. The good
news there though, is there are other options apart from Patches,
such as funder Gel, which most women who get on
with other non miland brands will get on with Gel fine,
but it means they have to start probably thinking about

(44:10):
that transition. Is they're in that group of women that
my Land doesn't agree with them.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
Right, Linda, thank you, appreciate your time, doctor Linda Dere,
Clinical Director of Men No doctor now. Nicola willis Poor Nicola.
She went away to Antarctica last week and she was
if you've ever been to Antarctica, it's amazing down there.
She's probably having the absolute time of her life, just
being blown away by nature. Meanwhile, people are just being

(44:36):
mean about her, including a most notably Robert McCullough, the economist,
the Auckland University Professor of economics. If you recall last
week wrote that brutal opinion piece in the Herald. Now
Nicola's back, it's probably caught up on it and she's
going to be with us after six o'clock, so we'll
ask her she will give her a right of reply
to that show We five twenty one the.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Then you trust to get the answers you need, Heather
Dup to see allan drive with one New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
Let's get connected and news talk as they'd be.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
Heither. Surely the edited version of the ABIs was removed
the Hucker because it made a political statement. It's a
bit rich from a country that stood against politics interfering
with sport in the nineteen eighties. Yeah, there'd be a
lot of people who'll be feeling pretty grumpy about this
and would have been absolutely fine about us taking a
stance on the Springbok tour and the apartheid in South
Africa and so on. Anyway, we'll talk to the Huddle
about it shortly and Mark Mitchell, police Minister on opening

(45:30):
that new cop shop in Central Auckland as well. Five
twenty four now won't have escaped your attention that we
are one year into the coalition that was yesterday, and
so the questions, of course, what do we make of it? Well,
let's deal with the main players in the coalition. First day,
Chris Luxon, Now, I reckon, Chris came into the job
probably hoping to be the next John Key, super popular,

(45:51):
shrugging off controversially, largely governing by incremental change and everybody
feeling absolutely stoked with that. Instead of being the next
John Key, I reckon, he's shaping up to be the
next Gim Bolger, not really super popular, under threat of
being replaced by a woman in his team, you know
what I mean by that? And Kinnen one of those
prime ministers who is wedged between two more memorable prime ministers,

(46:13):
do you know what I mean? For Bolger it was
Longie on one side and Clarky on the other, and
for Luxe and it's j Justinda on one side and
whoever is elected next on the other. On David Seymour,
I reckon, of the three leaders in this coalition, he's
the one that we actually need the most right now,
because I suspect he's actually to be fair. I think
he might be the smartest of the three of them,
because he's got all the ideas, and he's brave enough,

(46:34):
given his voter base, to propose reform and do brave things.
He's the guy wanting to go hard on cutting the
fat out of the public service. He's the guy brave
enough to tackle the race relations nonsense that we've grown
so accustomed to in the last fifty years. But the
problem is, like with a lot of very very very
smart people, David, I suspect is not easy to work
with and so comes across as quite bratty. I mean

(46:55):
it says a lot. What did Luxon say today? Luxon
and Winnie and their girlfriends go out on double Day,
but David's not invited. That probably tells you a lot. Winnip. Now,
as always Winnipe promises a lot on the home front
and generally doesn't deliver, always very slow to deliver. And
this time is much the same as then, but as
every other time basically. But he is an awesome foreign minister.

(47:17):
He knows what he's doing. He's been around long enough
to have very good connections, and I reckon. I mean,
he's pretty much shaping up to be the best one
we've had in living memory, and that is very important
at a time like this, because this is when we
really need him to be awesome at his job.

Speaker 19 (47:30):
Right.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
He was more ready for a Trump reelection than Australia
was this time around, So very valuable in that respect.
For the coalition itself, they have actually like they've annoyed
a lot of people, they actually got a lot done
in the last year. I feel like they have spent
the last year stopping our bike from warbling. Do you
know what I mean? They've writed it. It's not wabbling anymore.

(47:52):
But now I feel like what they need to do
is they need to tell us how they're going to
make this bike go faster in the next ten, next
year or so and from there on it we need
a plan for this country to get rich again. That
is what we need. We need money in this country.
We need a vision and we haven't quite got that
from this government yet. So one year in pretty good
next bit, I think it's going to be the real test.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
For ever due for ce Ellen's Okay, here we.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
Go, as if things couldn't get worse for Sir Quia Stamer.
I mean, Jeezu's probably looking at Luxin's government going that
looks awesome from where I'm sitting right now. This is
the one running the UK brand new government. There is
now a petition calling for a new general election over there,
and he just had they add one the other day.
And this it's not just sort of like change dot
org dot NZ. Fifty thousand people have signed it. This

(48:39):
petition has now hit one and a half million signatures.
So as if he needs anything else to go wrong,
this is going wrong for him as well. We're going
to speak to Kay Oliver, who is our UK correspondent
this evening. She'll be with us called at a seven
Headlines next.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
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Speaker 17 (49:07):
Be now.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
Whether if you'd ask me a year ago, would I
ever admire David cmoy I would have said no. But
I'm actually very impressed with him, not especially his politics,
but because he speaks. Well, we're going to talk to
the huddle about that shortly. It's Tris Sherson.

Speaker 8 (49:32):
Oh no it's not.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
It's Joe Speghany who's back from the US. So we'll
talk to her about that. As well, that'll be fascinating
also David Farah, both of whom have been watching politics
and working in it for the longest time, so we'll
get their take on how the government's gone one year
and in New Zealand. Now g was honestly, I mean
talk about a run of bad years for a company
and proving unable to turn it around. Air New Zealand

(49:54):
has has issued its half yearly earnings guidance and it's
down as much as thirty five percent lower than a
year ago. They're blaming the engines, so that's kind of
out of their hands, I guess to some extent, question
is really just the engines anyway. Shane Soley has has
been across us all day today. He's going to be
with us just about quarter past six or thereabouts.

Speaker 7 (50:14):
Right now.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
It's twenty four away.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
From six, Heather doul So.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
The police are moving back into Auckland CBD be a
new station on Federal Street, just one hundred and seventy
meters from the big old police station that police moved
out of just a few years ago, and the Minister
Mark Mitchell is with us A Mitch Hi Heather, there
was one upon a time there was one at Fort Street.
You didn't think about opening one there?

Speaker 20 (50:36):
Well, the Federal Street one is just such a good
centralized location. It covers just about the entire CBD, including downtown.
So I just think that they thought strategically, you know,
it's just a very good location to have a storefront again,
which is actually a great announcement.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
And when are you actually having the storefront?

Speaker 20 (50:55):
So from what I understand is that when it's finally
delivered will be sort of early to mid next year.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
Okay, was it a mistake then to close down the
one just down the road at Meryl Drive.

Speaker 20 (51:08):
Look, obviously those were decisions that were taken on previous
by previous governments. I know that I had a policing
career myself. I started at it as a beat cop
in the CBD, and it was good having police officers
operating out of what was then the Wharf Police Station.
It was quite a popular place to go all beat constables.
But I think the Federal Street option is just such

(51:29):
a good option that centralized our beat officers are covering
the entire CBD. The feedback and anecdotal feedback has just
been fantastic from shopkeepers, the retailers, residents, people coming in
to work in the CBD. It really has had a
big impact. But I just want to say that it's
been a team effort. Auckland Council has been very good.

(51:50):
We've had government agencies, KOMSD, residents and rape pars groups,
Business Association, CPNZ, Mary Warden's Social Service Prize. Everyone's come
together and really got focused in aligned with a strategy
to make our CBD much safer.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
Mitch, that photograph of the cop wearing the I think
it was a black Power jacket. Why was he wearing
that patch?

Speaker 1 (52:11):
Look, I don't know.

Speaker 20 (52:11):
I'm not going to speak for him obviously, you know,
disappointed that that happened, and I know that he'll be
feeling worse than anyone in terms of you know, it's
a poor reflection and he'll really be feeling it. But
you know, at the end of the day, the police
will deal with it internally.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
Was it, Because what I'm interested in knowing is just
whether he was sympathetic towards the gang or whether he
had confiscated at some stage for whatever reason and was
putting it on just being a bit silly.

Speaker 20 (52:38):
I don't think it was being sympathetic towards the gang,
but I don't want to speculate and I don't want
to speak for him, and the police now obviously deal
with it internally.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
Yeah, And what's going to happen to the police officers
who left the Prime minister's itinerary on the dashboard?

Speaker 5 (52:54):
Oh?

Speaker 20 (52:54):
I think I think they'll get a bit of a
reminder not to do that. But look, at the end
of the day, we're all human and we all make mistakes,
and it was it was a minimum one, but it
was a good reminder and I'm sure it won't happen again.

Speaker 5 (53:06):
I've got no idea.

Speaker 20 (53:06):
I don't know what was on it actually, Okay.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
So it was like pops into bakery that type of thing,
rather than it might have been there.

Speaker 20 (53:12):
It might it might have been might have been some
of the prime ministers itinery. But at the end of
the day, most of that is pretty well, it's already
been broadcast ahead of time.

Speaker 5 (53:22):
In terms of where he's going.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
It's not like anybody is very cross with Luxan, is it.
He's not on that a huge amount of threat, is he.

Speaker 20 (53:29):
I'm not going to comment on that. Yeah, no, no, Look,
he's The short answer is no, But he's got a
very competent, world class DPS team there that are there
to deal with anything that may that may arise. And look,
at the end of the day, everyone recognizes the fact
that that was a breaking, a break in protocol. It's
a good reminder. I don't think it was DPS. I

(53:51):
think it was a police officers sort of supporting the visit.
And but you know, like I said, we're all human
and we will make mistakes, and I'm sure they won't
do it again too, right, we do.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
All right, Mark, thank you very much. Make Mitchell the
Police Minister the.

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Speaker 3 (54:09):
Just to reminder, Nikola Willis the Finance ministers with us
after six o'clock we're going to ask her how much
money we're putting into as a rich country into the
poor countries to help them deal with the climate with us.
Right now on the huddle, we've got David Farrow of
Kiwi Blog and also Joseph Agani of Child Fun. How
are you guys, Hello, Josie, how do you feel about
the hucker?

Speaker 12 (54:27):
Well, look, he says he did it for good intentions,
I'm sure he did. He's motivated by showing some unity
as a nation. But the problem is, I think that's
a bit naive. I mean, you imagine you're waiving the
mun and we're to hockey flag. You imagine if it
had been I don't know, the Palestinian flag or something,
and you're trying to say, oh, I'm just doing it
for healing and peace, and I just calling for peace,

(54:48):
it would be seen politically agree Yeah. Oh sorry, I
thought I'd just been cut off there. But yeah, So
I think it's naive. And secondly, I think that you know,
if you're going in principle, if you're going to say
you can use the hucker for you know, showing solidarity
for the HIKOI you actually have to follow the principle
through and agree that you have to be happy to

(55:10):
use the hukker for something that you don't agree with.
So you imagine, I don't know if Israel Flow or
something who had very controversial views around same sex relationships,
but he managed to get you know, his all Blacks
team on side and the all Blacks and so on.
If that had happened, we be outraged, right, I mean,
I think the principle. If you're going to use the
hauker politically, you have to be prepared for it to

(55:32):
be used for something that you don't always agree with.
And that's where the problem is.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
Yeah, what do you reckon, David on the personal live?

Speaker 7 (55:39):
Of course, any sportsperson can make any political statement they want, right,
there's there, right, absolutely, But it's really stupid because what
it doesn't unify When you decide to use your walking
position to make political stance, half the country probably doesn't
agree with you. And you do it enough, and the

(56:00):
has happened in America with the NFL, etc. People start
switching off because it's hard to get enthusiastic about your
favorite players and teams if you think they dramatically disagree
with me and don't respect what I think. And that's
one of its best for them not to do the
polity every right to. But there are consequences.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
Yeah, I agree with that, Josey.

Speaker 21 (56:24):
I do think.

Speaker 12 (56:24):
I do think though, that people who are all sort
of canceling their Sky subscriptions and so on, that you know,
we'll all smell the selling smelling salts and we'll all
get over it, because it's not actually the biggest problem
that faces the country right now. There's a whole bunch
of other problems, and I just think we're pissed off
about it, or people are pissed off about it because
you know, as you said, David, that half the country
don't agree with this, so they're going, oh, you know,

(56:46):
we don't like you making a political statement. And again
that's what I'm saying is that if you if you
agree with it for those who think it was a
brave thing for him to do and they agree with
his politics, you have to be prepared to agree with
someone who does it for something you don't agree with you.
And I don't think that's where the problem is, David.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
I tell you what I was thinking. The thing is
you say like half the country disagrees, is actually at
the last polling that you did, was the last polling
that we've got, it's actually something more like two thirds
of people who actually had an opinion would have been
in support of the general idea of the Treaty Principle's
referendum versus one third who wasn't. But why I'm telling

(57:24):
you this is because I want to know where's the
next lot of polling. Are you guys not polling on
this anymore.

Speaker 7 (57:30):
Well, look, we have a monthly poll that was we
did a poll last October on it. We did another
one in October. Wants the government announce new principles, and
seeing they've now had slightly different principles in the bill
they introduce, it is our our intention to have a
poll in our December on the Boss and it'd be

(57:52):
very interesting to see what comes up because any changes
may reflect the slightly different wording, or it may reflect
that Peace Paul agree with the opponents, or it might
reflect that actually the opponents have turned them off. So
what's for mid December for the latest polling.

Speaker 12 (58:08):
We know what though, David, I reckon that people aren't
even reading the David Seymour Act, Treaty Principals Bill, et cetera,
et cetera, because the whole thing has just been pitched
now is that you're either for Mary or anti Marty.
And whether you've read the Principal Treaty Principal Bill or not,
or whatever you think about it, I don't think any
changing in the wording will change anything. It's now been

(58:30):
very successfully framed as pro or anti Mary.

Speaker 7 (58:34):
They're very right Josie. But when we pull on it,
we actually read the proposed principles out and you're right
too that if you guys asked about the bill generally
you can get a different response to these are the
proposed principles, Do you agree or disagree on them? And
give me a weeber away here in a December poll,

(58:55):
We're actually going to break them down to the three
separate proposed principles to see if we can find where
is there more agreement and disagreement I speak. We're going
to find that very few people disagree with the first
and third principles, which is about the government can government quality,
and it will be the second one. Hopefully that will
help the public discussion because if we can actually say

(59:16):
we don't all disagree on everything, it's actually just the
wording of one of the principles, that could be a
good thing. But who knows what the results are, right.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
I'm going to be absolutely fascinated, Thank you, David. But
now I've got something to look forward to, apart from
obviously Christmas, like everybody else, come back to you guys,
and just to take quarter.

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Speaker 3 (59:38):
Right back with the heart of David Phara, Joe Speghani, David,
what do you reckon? How's the government going? One year in?

Speaker 7 (59:44):
Pretty good? Actually, I locked around the world and you've
had all these governments like you look in the UK,
came in with a massive lead and twelve months on
they're vuly. Like you know, Keir Starmer is underwater in
his ratings and I think what you see here is
it's just been solid. They're not more popular, not particularly

(01:00:05):
less popular when they came and Luxin is kept around
in a bridge of a plus three percent approval rating,
et cetera. And sure you can look at the John
Kia and say, oh he doesn't compare that, but you
look at Australia, Canada, UK, America, et cetera, and things
are pretty good. I think the biggest achievement, and this
will send a bit funny, is making Erica stand for

(01:00:27):
the education minister. I think what she is doing the
so quickly and with such determination is so important and
is by far got the most positive payoffice as.

Speaker 5 (01:00:46):
Well.

Speaker 12 (01:00:46):
Aren't we all.

Speaker 7 (01:00:48):
Looks like melting her house? Who you wouldn't be surprised
they whispered there under their breath, But I was honestly
surprised it was Erica. It just shows you human, like
all what you know what after.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
She called after she called Jen a stupid b ward.
Then I started hearing about all the other stuff that
Erica says and all the pot he is not even
that bad out of Erica's mouth, And it totally surprised me.
Did you know that she's small like this, Josey.

Speaker 12 (01:01:13):
No, I didn't, And and I kind of like that
in a person. I mean obviously not on air news
to z B drive time, but yes, it makes a human.
But look when I look at the government now, you know, yes,
they're not in trouble like Keir Starmer's government in terms
of popularity. I think they do have a vision. I
think the biggest failure, which is going to get bigger

(01:01:34):
and bigger for them is their inability to explain it.
And if you take me, then well yeah, so it's
not my job to explain it. But what I think
it is, Heather is is basically we were elected as
as Jacinda Ardun was elected on a kind of wish
for a government to do something about child poverty, about inequality.

(01:01:55):
There was a real sense of transformation was needed. They
were elected on a promise of chain the economy, get
the economy working again and so on, and competent management.
And I think this what the problem is. They haven't
really been able to explain an exciting vision. It gets
people going, Okay, I get it. So if you take
the he Corey as an example, that was a moment

(01:02:16):
where any leader needs to step up and stand up
in front of people and go The reason I have
let this Treaty principal bill through is because I believe
in a democratic debate. I don't agree with the bill.
So he kind of said it, but he said it,
he says it in a sort of managerial way. And
I think that's the problem for them, is that they're
doing incremental change. And you mentioned Erica Stanford. You're right, David,

(01:02:40):
She's come in with a good plan to getting you know,
an hour of maths, you know, compulsory mass and so on,
but it's not going to be enough to do something
where I think it's like with health, you need massive transformation.
You cannot solve that long tail and education with just
one hour of mass a week or whatever. So that
I think they're failing to real communicate an exciting vision

(01:03:02):
and get people feeling really passionate about it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
I felt David a little bit sorry for David seymore
to hear that Luxon and Amanda and Winnipe and Jan
are going on double dates together over dinner and David's
been left out.

Speaker 7 (01:03:16):
Maybe it's actually I think he does have a partner
does Yeah, yeah, but sometimes you need to spend more
time on what can be the more challenging relationship. I
don't mean once all accounts has actually been a sternly
good coalition partner, but there is more history with Winston.
Like Winston you did have the big divorce with the

(01:03:39):
National government.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
There, come on.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
Fun to have dinner with because he hits the whisky exactly, Heather.

Speaker 12 (01:03:46):
I was just going to say that it's about who's
more fun to have dinner with, although I'm sure David
is you know, God has got anecdotes and can sort
of amuse it dinner party. But yeah, I think it's
to do with a personal connection perhaps between Winston Peters
and Luxelon. And it was probably again a little bit
sort of politically naive to even have suggested that, you know,

(01:04:07):
Winston and I have dinners and we do double dating,
and David and I have meetings. It's like, oh, I'm
not sure that's.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
Helping now, Yeah, that's really going to make David be
nice to you in public. Guys, Thank you so much,
appreciate it. David Farrer and Joseph ganey our hut all
this evening at seven away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
Red or Blue?

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
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with one New Zealand. Let's get connected these talks'd behither.

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
I love swear. Sweary Erica Stanford. I swear like a trooper,
and it's great to know another stoppy woman is doing
the same. Love it, keep it up. That's from Jilly
Gilly Gilly a woman. Yeah, Heather, people who swear are honest.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
So that's your excuse. So when your mum tells you off,
and I'm thinking about my own personal circumstances here, when
your mum tells you off for just randomly pep every
other sentence with F bombs, you just say it's because
I'm honest. And that's a wonderful attribute to having a chance.

Speaker 22 (01:05:06):
Kids listening, get a second opinion on this before you
try it, please actually try it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
Try it with your parents, see see how it goes down.
Why not you're going to try it with anybody. Try
it with your parents. It'll be quite fun. It'll be fun, fun, evening, fun,
dinner fun, dinner time. It has got to the point.

Speaker 12 (01:05:23):
So I do I do.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
I do love the odd invective for the purposes of reinforcement.
You know, it just makes your statement feel a lot better,
doesn't it, Like it really introduces a passion into your sentence. Anyway,
the other day, the husband did something and I dropped
the F bomb. I said if mate to him, and
the baby said if mate back to me, and I thought,

(01:05:47):
and there I end my swearing because little mate at
three is talking a lot and we don't need to
going to Kendy and repeating that. So yeah, just like
you know, you can be a potty mouth mummy, but
you don't want to do it in front the children.
I think we're all learning that lesson. Hey, listen, taxpayers Union. Now,
I like the taxpayers Union because I like keeping people
accountable with the money and stuff like that. But I'm

(01:06:08):
gonna pull them up on this. This is going a
bit far. They've put out a press release and they're
having a crack at TV and Z because TV and
Z has blown sixty four thousand dollars on Christmas parties
for two years now. That's thirty two thousand dollars a year,
and they've got six hundred staff, So that's fifty three
dollars ahead. What does fifty three even buy you? Does
that even buy you six beers? Does it even buy

(01:06:28):
you five beers? Like, come on, think about how miserable
it is to work at TV and Z already right,
that's that's not a fun place to work. They are
already have they're losing their jobs, and they're also public servants.
And then got to toe the line, you know, can't
possibly oppose the he Corey et cetera, et cetera. They
are entitled to have just a few beers at Christmas time.
Lay off them on that one, please, Everything else is okay?

(01:06:50):
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What's down? What were the major calls?

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And how will it affect the economy of the big
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Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
Talksb even in coming up in the next hour, Shane
Soley's going to talk us through what's going wrong for
e New Zealand at the moment. We'll have a chat
to Wellington City councilor Ben McNulty on why on earth
they're still not properly funding the water pipe prepares. We'll
also head off to the UK at seven past six,
and of course our Finance minister is Nichola Willis Hi,
Nicola Hi. How much are we putting into that climate

(01:07:33):
finance fund?

Speaker 23 (01:07:34):
Well, look, we haven't made a decision on that yet.
There's no set amount that we need to put in.
Each country decides its contribution. Our last current climate finance
commitment for twenty two to twenty five was one point
three billion. That obviously ends at the end of next
year and we'll then decide on our next commitment.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
That's one point three billion over three years, right, So
that's right, yeah, yeah, or three or four years or something,
because it works out at two hundred and thirty five. Now,
if the total package to the total path from the
rich countries to the poor countries has gone from one
hundred billion to five hundred billion, so it's up five times.
Is our contribution not naturally therefore going to go up
five times?

Speaker 23 (01:08:09):
Well, look, we will always do our part to support
global efforts on climate change and climate finance, but there
isn't a specific target or amount that each country must contribute.
So we as a cabinet need to weigh that contribution
against all of the other contributions we make in terms
of aid, in terms of development, in terms of what
we're doing with our own technology, research and science here

(01:08:29):
at home.

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
Is it definitely going to go up?

Speaker 23 (01:08:33):
There's nothing definite heither. This is something for Anectos as
a cabinet and make.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
Choices about can we make it go down?

Speaker 23 (01:08:39):
Well, as I said, look, our last contribution was one
point three over four. There are questions for us to
answer about do we want to make an annual contribution,
do we want to have that multi year contribution and
all of that things that were yet to step through.
I haven't even taken advice on it yet.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
What is this money being used for?

Speaker 23 (01:08:58):
Well, it goes towards those developing countries to help them
lower their emissions. So you think of the likes of
African countries that are still relying on coal power stations
helping them convert. The basic argument being that some of
those countries haven't yet gone through the development that the
rest of the world has and being asked to make

(01:09:19):
the transition of keys existence the same.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
We're facing the same trouble, right We've got a mountain
of coal sitting at Huntley because we're also struggling with
the transition, Like, how can we justify giving money away
to help other people convert when we ourselves are struggling
we need the money.

Speaker 23 (01:09:34):
Look, I'm sympathetic to the view that says we should
really make sure we're doing things right at home. But
this is a bit similar to the aid argument in general,
which is yes, in New Zealand, we still have challenges
in our own health system, our own education system. Yet
as global citizens, we recognize our role in making contributions
to countries that are far, far, far less well off

(01:09:57):
than we.

Speaker 12 (01:09:58):
We're just part of being a global sit I.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
Take it same principle. But if you think about our
aid budget versus this, how much is our aid budget
versus what we're spending on climate aid?

Speaker 23 (01:10:07):
Yeah, well this is obviously pretty big in proportion aid budget.
Aid budget is still bigger. But I and I in
my mind do think of those two buckets in a
similar way. Both of them are about our global contribution, and.

Speaker 17 (01:10:20):
I think it's right.

Speaker 23 (01:10:21):
Your point is right, we should be balancing up both
of those. How much are we giving an aid as
a whole and what proportion of that is climate aid?

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
Jeez, okay, listen, when are you going to make a
decision on it?

Speaker 23 (01:10:32):
Well, we will have advice on it obviously ahead of
the budget, because, as I say, the current Climate client
Climate finance commitment ends at the end of next year,
so we'll need to make a decision ahead of the budget.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
On the budget. Are you guys not going to hit
surplus in twenty seven to twenty eight.

Speaker 23 (01:10:47):
Well, look, I'm going to make an announcement about the
forecasts on the seventeenth of December. But you will have
seen that Treasury's chief economist last week pointed out that
there are lots of challenges to that position. Big challenge
being that we depend on the forecasts of the growth
in the economy. When the economy is smaller, there's less revenue,

(01:11:07):
makes it harder to get a surplus. And what Treasury
I've basically had to do is readjust all of their
forecasts over successive forecasts. They essentially overestimated how enduring the
balance back after COVID would be, and we're now in
a long hangover. So the numbers are reflecting that I
can't control Treasury's forecast assumptions. What I can control and

(01:11:28):
will control, is our government's discretionary spending decisions.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
Okay, So it sounds to me like the So you're
going to make an announcement on December seventeen as to
whether you're going to hit that surplus or not.

Speaker 23 (01:11:39):
That's right. That's when I'll share the latest forecasts, which
will illustrate where that sits.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
It sounds to me like you guys are softening us
up for the fact that you're not going to hit it.

Speaker 23 (01:11:47):
Well, look, I've always been clear I'm not going to
chase a surplus at all costs. Forecasts move up and down.
What I've committed to New Zealanders is that we will
make sensible, prudent fiscal decisions to get the books back
in balance over time, and we remain on that course.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
Which is which brings us to Robert McCulloch's column. Did
you read that last week? When you were away.

Speaker 23 (01:12:10):
I did hear that and can I can I give
a response to it, because my goodness. First of all,
he said that I do have another year to prove myself.
So that's good because no one promised to solve the
economy in year one. Then he said, look, we're having
low growth. Well look my view is yes we are,
and that's my entire rays on Deetra. What we committed

(01:12:31):
was first get inflation under control, get interest rates coming down,
deliver neutral X relief. We've done those things. We are
very focused on driving growth forward. Then he said, and
this was the curious bit, he said, oh, look she's
not doing enough to break up monopoly powers. Well, here
is what I'd say to that I am different from
other finance ministers and that I have directly confronted the

(01:12:53):
major trading banks. I've said that I'm going to do
regulatory reform at the Reserve Bank. We have the Parliamentary
Select Committee and going on. I am very determined on
that score. And I'd like to put this out to
Robert McCulloch if he has more ideas on how we
can drive competition in the New Zealand economy to break
up some of these duopolies who are making too much

(01:13:13):
money out of New Zealanders. Then I am up for
those ideas. I am a competition warrior. I love markets
that operate competitively and that is very much on my
agender as a finance mind staff I could keep going
through his points here this but I felt that I
had a response to each of them, and I basically thought, yep,
you ain't seen nothing yet.

Speaker 3 (01:13:32):
Ye one would to come, oh well please, because as
point is simply which gets us back to the surplus thing.
His points are simply big talk not delivering right. And
before the election in the campaign you were sneering at
Labour's surplus of two point one that they had projected,
and you said you were going to deliver two point nine.
But when it comes to the crunch, actually we don't
have that's not happening.

Speaker 23 (01:13:52):
Well, what we have done is dramatically reduced the rate
of expenditure growth. There's no question if Labor were in
power now, the deficit would be a lot worse.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
Now.

Speaker 23 (01:14:03):
I heard you talking on this point last week and
you said, look, she's actually still spending more than Labor.
So I've gone back and I've looked at the records
going back to nineteen seventy two, so over more than
fifty years, there is only one ever example of government
spending going down in real dollar terms. Because of course
each year population grows, there's inflation, there is weight to growth,

(01:14:26):
and so what we've done is rapidly halt the rate
of increase. That's the right thing to do. We will
continue on that course. But if the argument is really
that we should have slashed funding to below the levels
it was even while the population grew, and even while
there was still high inflation, then I'd put to you, actually,
I'm a bit more compassionate than that, because I do

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care about frontline service delivery.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
Okay, Nichola, thank you. I really appreciate your time. That's
Nichola Willis the Finance Minister's quart.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
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Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
It'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
Yeah, as I thought, this is not going to go
down well, getting a lot of text messages on US
giving money to poorer countries for the climate. Hither when
family members die down here in the South because of
inadequate health resources, I'll reassure them in the global in
the knowledge that we are at least being responsible global citizens.
That's all right. So okay, if they die over here,
as long as they're not dying over there. Heither, let's
not give any money to poorer countries and aim for
surplus ourselves. Hither, get the home in order before we

(01:15:30):
hand out money that we don't have. Hither, This climate
change donation nonsense is just an our journey and ruse
for these young polies to ingratiate themselves with the UN
and get jobs. Then when we're sick of them, I'll
tell you what, just to put this in a bit
of context for you. Right, So the amount of money,
I would say, almost undoubtedly it's going to go up.
I'd be surprised if Nikola Willison and the National led

(01:15:51):
government is prepared to go backwards on what we're funding
everybody else for the climate. So let's just say it's
the same amount. Let's say for now it's the same amount.
O kay, over four years, we're talking about one point
three billion dollars. That is almost exactly the same amount
that We've asked Lester Levy to cut out of our
health system. He's got to find savings of one point
four billion dollars. Now, question for you, where would you

(01:16:13):
prefer that money be? Because you know there's no ferry
at the bottom of the garden printing money for us. Right,
you've only got so much. So would you like the
one point three million billion dollars to go off to
Africa and the Pacific and the Southeast Asian nations to
help them all out fight the climate or would you
rather take that money and put it back in the
health system and employ some doctors and nurses, Because I
think the answer is pretty obvious for most of us.

(01:16:34):
Nineteen past six Shane Soally harbor asset management with US. Now,
Hey Shane, Hello, heater Shane. You've been at their New
Zealand AGM today. How's it looking?

Speaker 24 (01:16:43):
Look it's been a really tough environment for a New Zion.
Despite this tough newsion economy and it's really massive supply.
Chane issues to actually provide a slightly positive update to
day driven by better cost control, revenue better than expected.

Speaker 21 (01:16:58):
Talking about a little grin shoots.

Speaker 24 (01:16:59):
And twos of small medium sized enterprises corporate travel Domestic
still got sixteen percent of the air fleet grounded by
lack a part supply chain. They're saying could get through
the worst of that by early twenty twenty six, and
they're even talking about growing a network again to three
to four percent.

Speaker 21 (01:17:15):
But it's all been driven.

Speaker 24 (01:17:15):
By things they're doing internallys some transformation programs, talking about
three to FO one hundred men savings, a couple of
interesting nuggets in there, some new products, some new services
will be apparently released pretty soon, but certainly investing for
their growth. Up to eight hundred million of capital investment
and per annum, so massive investment. They're talking about continuing

(01:17:37):
with their clean Skies initiative. By twenty thirty they having
ten percent of sustainable line viewers. But yeah, I think
a lot of these enhancements they've been working hard on
last year or two post COVID started to come through.
Still very tough.

Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
So we are, i think, part way through the company
reporting season for the September period. What's the tone that
you're getting from the ins and X listed companies right now?

Speaker 24 (01:17:58):
Yeah, we are in the think of that, Heather, You
right at the margin, results are looking slightly better than expected,
and it just suggests that the earnings for his own
companies may be basing again. Like in New Zealand, it's
been some tough runs, but we are seeing some real
spread of outcomes, global ag justic something main forre it,
bitter results starting to say they's some green shoots, a
bit of improvement. Reads that companies like Goodman and Argacy saying, hey,

(01:18:21):
we're seeing things getting a little bit better, but we're
not getting to eat of ourselves.

Speaker 21 (01:18:25):
And we've got.

Speaker 24 (01:18:25):
Companies that maybe thought to bounce back from a really
tough a whole space lad, and then we've got companies
okay to total one out of the box, big upgrade.
So yeah, I think management teams still being cautious, but
they're becoming increasingly cautiously optimistic and bit of a contrast there,
and we think that might just provide a bit of
upside for his ze own company earnings.

Speaker 3 (01:18:43):
Hey are we still are we still expecting a fifty
basis point cut this week?

Speaker 5 (01:18:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 24 (01:18:47):
I think that's right. The market is saying fifty basis points.
You know, the data continues to point to inflation falling.
We are seeing businesses a little bit more confident there's
another reading later this week on Thursday, actually after the
Reserve Banking designs to report.

Speaker 21 (01:19:01):
But you know again employment.

Speaker 24 (01:19:03):
Level is it, so think we're going to watch for
that there is actually put unemployments on the creep up.
Reserve Bank may want to get ahead of that. This
is of course their last meeting before mid Debruary when
they come back after the summer break. So they have
maintained this path of less regrets, which means they don't
want to be the reserve bank that lets the inflation
gene out of the bottle by not by easing interest

(01:19:23):
rates to really, so they probably want to keep it a.

Speaker 21 (01:19:25):
Little but not get too carried away.

Speaker 24 (01:19:27):
So a three quarter point seven five percent cut that
would be a surprise.

Speaker 21 (01:19:31):
So fifty years the odds on money at this stage.

Speaker 5 (01:19:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:34):
Hey, over in the US, shame, we've obviously had the
Trump trades push everything up and has come back a
wee bit. Now what are you looking when you look
at that? What do you think that means for returns
for the US share market and then for US as well.

Speaker 21 (01:19:45):
Yeah, look, you've seen some extremes there. There's definitely some
of the leverage exchange trade of phones, the cryptophones, all
the sort of speculaive elements have really gone hot. But
there's four things that we're looking at that are sort
of seeing people will just be a bit more cautious
of recent days. Firstly, we've seen the Central Bank, the Reserve,
Central Bank, Reserve, US Federal Reserve, some of the commentators
just stepping back from cut expectations, says saying, hey, the

(01:20:08):
completion is not going away as quick quickly as we thought.

Speaker 24 (01:20:11):
We're going to want to just be a bit slower
people are watching. Secondly, the Ukraine War getting broader. Thirdly,
certainly some of the policy a certaintly around some of
the appointments that mister Trump's proposing is just challenging a
few parts of the economy. And finally, I think you know,
we've seen some results, truly impressive results, but not enough,
not enough for expectations. And so normally we've see the

(01:20:33):
US market rally into the end of the year, into December,
we've already seen four and a half five percent rally.

Speaker 21 (01:20:38):
It's a long way for us here in New Zealand.

Speaker 24 (01:20:40):
We've going to be careful about volatility around these political appointments,
particularly what that means for US bond markets and cheer markets.
And certainly there's more expansioning US fiscal spending, the government
spending more money that has potential to keep the reserve
bank interest rates higher, in the usual reserve higher, and
so that could mean that US dollar stays stronger, makes

(01:21:02):
it tougher for holidays.

Speaker 21 (01:21:03):
Heather, totally US.

Speaker 3 (01:21:05):
Shane, thanks very much appreciated. Shane Soly Harbor Asset Management,
just on the ocr Informetrics has pointed out that if
we get a fifty basis point cut, which is what
we're expecting, you're not going to see much movement in
your mortgage rate, right, So if you're if you're looking
at the fixed rates, don't expect much because fifty basis
points has already been priced. And so maybe you get
a ten basis point cut or something like that on

(01:21:26):
the floating rate. Obviously it will drop the fullom mount,
but watch out for the seventy five basis point if
we get that as a cut, which really is an
outside chance that hasn't fully been priced, and so then
you see both of them, then you see it. You'll
see the drops right across the board fingers crossed. You
never know Adrian surprises from time to time six twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:21:45):
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Speaker 3 (01:21:57):
Of techs suggesting that Razor was vaping at the was
raised vaping at the game. I'm going to google it
in a minute, and I'm gonna we're gonna clear this
up because i might have just defamed the guy. I mean,
he's a sportsman and you can't just be going around
saying rays of apes. So anyway, we'll come back to
that swear at a Stanford, Megan, good from you. Erica
Stanford is now swear at a Stanford and she should
be proud of it. How weird is that Business Desk

(01:22:21):
interview today with Kenyon and Charlotte Clark. I don't know
if you've caught up on this. If you haven't, let
me just let me just point this out to you. Okay,
these are the guys who run Duvaile, right, and they're
the ones in trouble with the FMA and so on.
At the moment, it's clearly an interview that's designed to
elicit sympathy for them because they they've given the interview
to talk about the fact that they've they've been forced
to live on three thousand dollars a week between them

(01:22:44):
rent paid. The rent is paid by the receivers. The
three thousand dollars is just you know, to fund lifestyle,
et cetera, so that they're upset about that, and they're
upset about the fact that that money has now dried up,
so now they've got no money to live on, and
they may in fact, the rent is overdue. No one's
paying the rent hasn't been paid for three weeks because
the receivers appear to have stopped paying them. And if

(01:23:04):
you read between the lines, it seems like the receivers
think that there's assets that has been that haven't been declared,
like jewelry and stuff like that. Anyway, it's weird because
she's crying in the interview. He's trying to find her tissues,
he can't find the tissues, and they've got a mug
of gum boot tea and Value brand milk on the
coffee table. I think you're supposed to feel sorry for

(01:23:27):
them having to drink Value brand milk. Do you, because
that's all I drink. That feels very normal to me anyway,
just pointing that out.

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Speaker 3 (01:24:01):
Oh, he was vaping.

Speaker 7 (01:24:03):
He was vaping.

Speaker 3 (01:24:03):
I looked it up on Twitter. This is the only
reason I go on Twitter nowadays to look at things
like this. And yes, it's a blue vape in the
old Coaches books or whatever it is. I can see
the video of there. It's just yeah, it was stressed
out about the Italy game, had a little dragon his
USB stick and I got a lot of you thank
you Kevin from Massamatta Gilly. Also Jeremy also definitely spotted

(01:24:27):
him vaping. Thank you for that. Now we know a
secret about him. Ay, that's not good. That's not good,
is it? I mean, these guys are role models. Now
I'm just taking the purse. I don't really care can
vape if he wants to, Kay, Oliver, I just because
you know these double standards, isn't it?

Speaker 7 (01:24:40):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
Can I just point that out to you? Like Ethan
does a thing. Ethan did a thing we don't even
know about, and he has to miss a game, right
three games in the end, Damien did a thing. Fell
asleep on a beach after a hard night at the
taxi back like Uber bah blah blah blah. He missed
the game. It didn't affect us. But vapor there, vapor razor,
razor clear as mud in the middle of the TV suck.

(01:25:04):
That's really bad for the kids. He doesn't miss a game.
So I'm just saying, I'm just saying, you're going to
have these tough standards applied across the board. Stop sucking
on your electronic cigarette. K Oliver out of the UK
with us shortly twenty two away from seven Here the
duspite Wellington City Council and its mayor constantly insisting that
they're putting the highest ever amount of money into fixing
water pipes. It turns out they're not paying that much,

(01:25:26):
are they. They're only paying enough to fix about one
k of pipes a year, and that's despite the fact
that they've got two hundred and thirty seven k's of
pipes in a very poor condition and one hundreds more
k's of pipes that need fixing less urgently now. Ben
McNulty is a Wellington City councilor high Ben.

Speaker 26 (01:25:41):
Hi Heather, thanks for having me, Yeah, thanks for joining us.

Speaker 3 (01:25:43):
Listen, why are you guys putting in so little money?

Speaker 19 (01:25:46):
So?

Speaker 26 (01:25:46):
Wellington Water are our trusted advisor in terms of where
the money goes. So I just want to stipulate that
we don't choose on are we going to replace the
x kilometers pipes fixed x amounts at lext We put
the money in and then they decide from that paul
where that money should go. So in the first instance,
the decision to do less than a kilometer sits very
much operationally in their hand. At the same time, yes,

(01:26:08):
there is a point that we're not putting enough funding
in the earlier years of our long term plan. It
ramps up, it gets considerable, especially for the other years.
But right now the big culprit that's actually gobbling up
all that spare cash is the town Hall. That project
is gobbling up hundreds of millions of dollars of our
borrowing capacity over the next three years, and that's borrowing
capacity that should be going to pipes, and it's going

(01:26:29):
to an old building.

Speaker 3 (01:26:30):
Instead, didn't Wellington didn't Wellington Water tell you, guys, you
need to fund them sufficiently to replace forty k's of
pipes every year.

Speaker 26 (01:26:38):
They've told us that, and why don't you borrowed? We've
borrowed to the maximum that we can. But councilors don't
make decisions in the vacuum here, and they've made decisions
on other spending priorities sort of gobbled up the debt
headroom and ability to put money into there. And again,
the town hall is just such the prime culprit that's
sitting in those first few years of the LTP that
even though that town hall is not there, we wontn't

(01:26:59):
actually have the sufficient capital to address it. And it
goes to the point of why is government doing water reform?
Why was the past government doing water reform? Because the
way that council funds its water is fundamentally broken.

Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
How much money are you putting into replacing the pipes
this year?

Speaker 26 (01:27:14):
I believe it's about eighty million dollars of capital investment.
But that is again, we give Wellington Water about eighty
million dollars of capital and then they make the decisions
of where they're going to diverge that funding through there,
so it's going to fundamentally go and repairs.

Speaker 3 (01:27:28):
I know, I know the town hall is hugely expensive,
and that is a fair point to make, But why
don't you guys cancel your absolute weird obsession with ripping
up roads and replacing them with cycle ways and all
and the Golden Mile and stuff, and put that money
into the pipes instead.

Speaker 26 (01:27:41):
Well, those are the discussions that are happening in the
LTP Amendment right the officers has stipulated that the Golden
Mile should be looked at in terms of the cost saving,
but nonetheless at the financial situation.

Speaker 3 (01:27:52):
Right now, saying you, I just don't understand you, guys,
like you're sitting there if it was if it was
your house right and your pipes, we're crappy and busting
the whole time. You would deal with your pipes before
you dealt with like putting yourself a nice, flash new driveway.
So why did you guys not, in the first instance
make that decision that's so bizarre to me.

Speaker 26 (01:28:10):
Well, in the first instance, the decisions about cuts now
around having financial resilience. So what we've been told by KPMG,
by the auditors of the world is actually we need
to have a billion dollars of headrooms should an earthquake
hit and all the spending cuts that we're planning through
our LTPMNT.

Speaker 3 (01:28:24):
But you're not talking about the that's not the same
thing as me. What I'm saying to you is it's
an opportunity cost here. Why didn't you when you first
sat down and say we're not going to do the
Golden Mile because we're going to use that money for pipes, Well.

Speaker 26 (01:28:36):
That money wouldn't have gone into the Golden Miles. What
I'm saying, so, our pressing issue of the advice that's
sitting in front of us is between water and having
enough money for our resilience. Actually resilience is where the
money has to go through. That's the professional opinion.

Speaker 3 (01:28:48):
Makes it even. It works like that means you had
two things that should have taken priority over the Golden Mile,
and you picked the Golden Mile.

Speaker 26 (01:28:53):
Anyway, again, though, let's take the Golden Mile just from
the City Council's perspective, that is fifty percent government fund.
So you have to look at and there's thirty million
dollars of pipe replacements within that project that are half
being government funded. So just want to make the point
there that actually the Golden Mile has quite a substantive
water infrastructure component and Wellington ratepayers are getting half of
that component from the government.

Speaker 5 (01:29:14):
If that deal.

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
Absolutely, yeah, I know the argument. I don't buy. Hey, listen,
tell me something. You guys have got this big council
meeting tomorrow where you need to decide what you're going
to cut to be able to afford everything. Any idea,
what's going is the Golden Mile going?

Speaker 26 (01:29:28):
I think everything's going to be a matter of discussion
up until the votes. At the moment, there are texts, messages, emails,
meetings flying left, right and center. People trying to put
things in, people trying to take things out, and honestly, heiver,
I just don't know quite.

Speaker 11 (01:29:42):
Where the numbers are lobbying at the moment is there.

Speaker 26 (01:29:47):
It's going to be a lot of phone calls and
things into the evening. I'm sitting in this weird camp
where you know, there's cuts coming from our officials, these
cuts coming from the mayor's office, and there's cuts coming
from the right wing counselors, and I'm sort of just
rifting in between. I will vote for things that I
think are always of our poor usage of our city's money.
And I'll put in the things that I think are
wise to keep putting through. That's about all I can do.

(01:30:10):
But yeah, we have lots of camps saying cut, lots.

Speaker 3 (01:30:12):
Of different have you had have you had any good
advice from the observer?

Speaker 5 (01:30:15):
Yet?

Speaker 26 (01:30:17):
I think the observer is actually, yeah, Look he's sitting
back right now and he's saying, it's not my turn
to tell you how to do these things. I want
to spend the first month or two really understanding how
your council works, what the dynamics are, and then you know,
as you get further into the LTP process, I will
involve myself a bit more. But I think that's why
for him to actually he's been put in because there

(01:30:38):
is an issue, there's a problem. I totally accept for
Merationalepha Samian sometervention. So you don't just come in and
start calling the shots. You come and you see how
things are working, what's causing the problems, and then you
actually go through. So no specific advice from your deserver.
But I think the approach he's taking is prudent so
that you don't just call the shots before you don't
know what's that shot of problem?

Speaker 3 (01:30:56):
Yeah, Ben, thank you for talking to us through I
really appreciate it. Ben McNaughty, who is the willing to
and city councilor by the way, we've been trying to
get ahold of ins are. This is the rugby people
New Zealand Rugby all day to see if they would
talk to us about what's going on. Why did they
edit the video? Why'd they take TJ's political stuff out
if they didn't like it? Why did they say yes
to it in the first place? But they said they
they didn't want to. I don't even know what their

(01:31:17):
excuses are. I actually don't really care. They weren't going
to come and talk about it today. I think maybe
it was because TJ and Scott Barrett and RASA had all,
you know, had some chats after the game, so they
felt like it was covered off. I don't think so.
It's been going on for days now anyway. So they
say no formal response, but they wanted to point us
to their position on the Treaty of White Tongy, which

(01:31:39):
of course they refer to as TETTI or White Tongey,
clearly spelled out in page fifteen of our constitution. New
Zealand Rugby acknowledges Titi or white Tongey as the founding
document of Altier or in New Zealand, Mari is tongue
at the fenawa of our land, in the special place
that the New Zealand Maori Rugby Board has as the
representative entity of Maori amongst the stakeholders of rugby in
New Zealand. So that's all they've got to say about

(01:32:01):
what TJ said, which I think is supposed to tell
you that they are okay with what TJ said, but
not okay enough to leave it in the social media VIDEOA. Anyway,
here you go. It's the best you're going to get.
Quarter two.

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Speaker 3 (01:32:25):
By the way, Peter's made a really good point on
that climate funding that we were talking to Nikola Willis
about saying hither, I think you find that if New
Zealand doesn't put money into the islands, even under the
climate change banner, then China will fill that gap and
that will at least be part of what's going on
here is that the West is trying to maintain to
some extent right they're they're relevance by continuing to fund
these developing countries so they still like us and they

(01:32:45):
don't go off and make friends with the Chinese too much.
Might be a bit late, but anyway, you know, we'll
see if it works. Twelve away from seven k Oliver
our UK correspondents with US.

Speaker 19 (01:32:54):
Now, heyk hello, Heaber.

Speaker 3 (01:32:57):
So how bad has Storm Burt been?

Speaker 5 (01:32:58):
Then?

Speaker 19 (01:32:59):
Well, it's been an absolute catastrophic event for Wales particularly,
and the Welsh First Minister Ellan ned Morgan has said
the floods have been absolutely devastating. There one hundred millimeters
of rain in places, falling so quickly eighty percent of
November's annual rainfall in forty eight hours. We've had four

(01:33:20):
hundred flood warnings across the whole of the UK. Hundreds
of properties had been at risk of flooding. Three hundred
properties in Wales have flooded. The other problem there is
that Storm Dennis went into that area in twenty twenty.
There's been a lot of work going on to repair bridges, rows, etc.
For the last four years and it seems that all

(01:33:41):
those repairs have also been washed away. We've had four
people killed, one being a dog walker, a seventy five
year old man out with walking the dog. Another man
in his eighties was killed in Wales when he literally
drove into a big body of water and obviously he
has drowned. And these are some of the horror story
that have been going on here. It was described as

(01:34:03):
a catastrophic weather event. Three forces came together, gale force winds,
snow and rain, and it seems that once again it's
taken people by surprise and we have had extreme flooding
going on here.

Speaker 3 (01:34:17):
Hey, listen this petition I was just talking about this
earlier on calling for a general election. Is this the
fastest growing petition thus far?

Speaker 19 (01:34:25):
Well, I've been watching this one. It seems that people
have one hundred thousand signatures in one hour in one instance.
It has been put together by a business owner, Michael Westwood,
and he's basically saying there should be another general election
in this country because of the what he is calling

(01:34:45):
basically the failure to deliver on promises that were made
that didn't turn out to be anything alike what was
going to come in reality so he wants another general election.
We've got a million signatures so far. It does seen
that this is even more kind of mud slinging at labor.
We've obviously got discontent here about the winter fuel allowance.

(01:35:08):
You've got the farmers over the inheritance tax. There are
so many things that haven't gone well for labor, and
this gentleman has basically said, let's start again. Let's see
if we can get another general election. I doubt it
very much, but the former Tory leadership contender, Robert Jenrick
has also said that no one is ever going to

(01:35:28):
trust labor again. And there are an awful lot of
people here are saying what next? What else are they
going to.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
Come up with?

Speaker 21 (01:35:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:35:35):
Fair enough, Okay, Now what is going on with this
sister dying vote? Ree ky Istama? Has he said which
way he's going.

Speaker 1 (01:35:40):
To vote or no?

Speaker 19 (01:35:42):
No, Apparently he has not disclosed the way he is
going to vote because he doesn't want to. Should we
say convinced persuade other MPs in what is going to
be a free vote on Friday? Now, people are basically
they've been polled in this country. Two thirds of the

(01:36:03):
general public are in favor of assisted dying of this bill,
which would allow a terminally ill person with six months
or less to live to apply to two doctors and
a High Court judge for permission to take their own life.
But we've had people like the Justice Secretary which I
mean but Mamood come out and say that this is

(01:36:24):
a slippery slope and that the state doesn't provide people
with death. So there's a lot of controversy about this.
Terminally ill people obviously are saying they want this bill
to go ahead. One of the conversations was with a
TV presenter here Esther Ranson, who is terminally ill with
lung cancer, who had a lot of discussions with Keir

(01:36:46):
Starmer and it would seem at one point that he
was going to vote in favor of this. So we
wait to see on Friday how this one is going
to play out.

Speaker 3 (01:36:54):
Heather interesting steph Kay, thanks very much, appreciate it, as
Kay Oliver, our UK correspondents. So there is a pub
in the UK which there is a request that the
pub changed its name, and it's a reasonably well known
pubb it's a historic pub. It's had a bunch of
famous people like Charlie Chaplin and Laurel and Hardy in
there and stuff like that. It's been going since eighteen

(01:37:15):
ninety one, presumably under the same name, but they've asked
changed its name because its name is the sly Old Fox,
and according to Peter, your favorite animal rights activists, that's
not fair on foxes, and they think it's derogatory, inaccurate,
and as I say, unfair. They think that the pub
needs to replace the word sly with clever, so it

(01:37:36):
becomes clever old Fox. And the reason that they're saying
this is because if you continue to refer to fox
as as sly, it kind of continues to perpetuate the
idea that foxes are pests and then people kill them.
And yeah, so I don't know if that's going to
work changing the name. I feel like maybe if fox

(01:37:59):
has stopped at pesting people in urban centers, then maybe
people aren't going to kill them. But I don't think
the word is the problem. I think it's the foxes behavior.
But anyway, all good luck. Oh and what was the
other thing. There was something quite funny that they said, Oh, yes,
they want to reflect society's ever evolving empathy for animals.
Oh please, seven away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:38:18):
Getting ready for a new administration in the US. What
will be the impact?

Speaker 2 (01:38:22):
It's the Business Hour with Heather Duplas Allen and my HR,
the HR solution for busy SMEs news talks.

Speaker 5 (01:38:29):
He'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:38:31):
Heather TJ is the new Justinder. He kisses everyone off
and then he leaves the country fair enough, doesn't have
to wear it. I don't know why, but okay, so
I've got a lot of texts from the elizabeths in
my life for what I said a couple of hours ago.
I'm standing by it. I am standing by it. It's
just it's just Look, it was a name that was given. Look,

(01:38:54):
it was the previous queen had the name. And when
did she ascend the throne? In like nineteen fifty two,
so when she was twenty something years old. So when
was she born. She's born in the twenties or late
thirty early thirties, So that's a that's a good old
fashioned name. So we're just gonna steer away from that.
But I don't know why Eileen thought it's a good
idea to send me bogan names as if, oh you
don't like Elizabeth, here's a bunch asta Bailey, Bella Blue Britney, Schenra, Charlotte,

(01:39:20):
she says, are all but Bogan names. That's going to
get some people upset. She says Sharon used to be
a Bogan name in her day, probably still is. She
also liked Xanthi, Corfai and Pearl. Thank you for that, Eileen,
appreciate And I think, I look, maybe I was surprised
with one of them. Probably unlikely. What do you think?

Speaker 22 (01:39:38):
And oh, well, I just I would like to point
out that the same family, the Windsors, who gave you know,
the queen the name Elizabeth, they seem to be fans
of Charlotte as well, so you know, maybe they're Bogans.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:39:50):
This is not Charlotte spelt with a c H. This
is Charlotte s H A R L E T t
oh Charlotte not Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:39:59):
Fair enough. Love is a Game by Adela Players out tonight.
Adele has finished up her two year residency at Las Vegas.
Her very last show was on Sunday night local time
over there. This is the song she finished her very
last set with, and she said she's a little bit
worried now because she's not really sure what she's going
to do for a job now, because this has been
a job for the last two years and she doesn't
have anything else lined up. But I'm sure she'll find

(01:40:20):
some way to make money.

Speaker 3 (01:40:21):
She's amazing, she'll find I love how normal she is.
She will find things. Don't worry, enjoy it. See you
tomorrow

Speaker 2 (01:40:42):
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