Full Show Podcast: 25 November 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand to coverage like
no one else news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
They'd be.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
Good afternoon, Welcome to the show coming out today. Chris
Bishop on the big announcement today, the New Zealand Initiative
is going to talk us through the unis handing out
a's like there's no tomorrow. And Paul Bloxham of HSBC
on the likely ocr cup tomorrow and whether he is
seeing the green shoots, small ones or big ones.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Heather duplicy Ellen.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Right, Regional councils might be about to be killed. It's
being reported now by multiple different media outlets that the
government will announce this afternoon that they are scrapping regional councils. Now,
if this does and bearing in mind the afternoon is
running out fast, but if this does bear out, and
I do believe that it will, then you need to
put this on your list of some of the best

(00:52):
news that you have heard in a long time for
turning this country around. Regional councils have got to go.
It's not so much the elective councilors, right, I mean,
obviously they have to go as well. We simply don't
need that layer of bureaucracy regional councils when we already
have city and district councils, and we already have central government.
It's just far too much. But scrapping the elected guys,

(01:13):
that's only going to save a little bit of money.
We're talking peanuts here. The real money is going to
be saved in the stuff that happens in the back
office at the regional councils, the stuff that's done by
the unelected officials and the consultants that they bring in.
And when what I'm talking about here is the plans. Now,
let me tell you about the plans. You probably don't
realize it because this stuff is so boring it will

(01:33):
put you to sleep. But regional councils around this country
are blowing tens of millions of dollars and wasting years
upon years on planning new rules. The White Cuttle Regional
Council's Healthy Rivers Plan Change one, I know, let's just
call it PC one for short. PC one at last
count has cost twenty three million dollars. That was about

(01:54):
three years ago. The plan is not even fully implemented.
Yet so you can add to that twenty three million.
Now that is just the plan for the rivers in
the wy Cuttle. It's not the plan for rivers anywhere
else in the country. It's for nothing else in the
y Cuttle. It is just for the rivers in the
y Cuttle. And it's already cost twenty three million dollars.
Bear in mind, every single region, and there are eleven

(02:16):
of them, makes its own plans, So you could take
that twenty three million dollars, you just add to it.
Around this country, we're just racking up the millions. This stuff,
as I said, takes years. The y Cuttle River Plan
PC one that was notified in twenty sixteen, a decade on,
it's still not in full operation because of appeals and
all kinds of wrangles around it. And this is where

(02:36):
huge amounts of the rates that you pay are wasted. Right,
So scrapping the regional councils is potentially a massive, massive
saving for us. If the NATS then replace I mean,
the question is what do they replace it with. If
they then replace the regional councils with a system where
maybe we have just one set of rules or four
sets of rules, or ten sets of rules that regions
can choose from pre written rules that they can roll

(02:58):
out that they don't have the plan themselves, rather than
designing their own that may in fact be a better system.
Now the devil is in the detail, which we are
yet to see and are apparently going to see later
this afternoon. But so far this has the potential to
be some of the best news for this country.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
Together, do for Sea Allen, like I say, Christ Bishop
probably of us after five o'clock and we're going to
pick us brains and see what's coming out this afternoon.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Let's get to some more excellent news for the country,
because it doesn't stop. We have yet more amazing results
from the government's education changes, this time the new Math's curriculum.
Remember the pilot you might remember this. It was run
to help the kids in year seven and eight who
were struggling with maths to get just a little bit
of extra help. It turns out that in the space
of twelve weeks three months, these kids have caught up

(03:45):
on two years worth of maths. Eric Stanford is the
Education Minister. High Erica hi Gez's results just getting better
and better, aren't they.

Speaker 5 (03:54):
It's really encouraging. And what was the most interesting thing
about this was that control group. We expected to see
really good gains with the students who were receiving tuition
extra tuition, But what was so groundbreaking was those students
who were in the control group, who were more than
a year behind the curriculum, just receiving an hour a

(04:15):
day of maths with teachers who had received professional learning
and development and structured maths, the new maths books that
we flooded into classrooms, the workbooks and guidebooks, and the
new year by year internationally benchmarked curriculum. Those kids made
a year's worth a progress in twelve weeks. And that's
a bit that has absolutely blown us away, and it
shows our reforms are working.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
Okay, what does it tell you about what has been
going on in maths?

Speaker 5 (04:38):
Then, well, it tells me that there's no substitute for
excellent explicit teaching in a structured way. And what that
shows is that when we have a curriculum that supports that,
and professional learning and development that supports that, then you
get these results. I think when we have a system
that has let teachers down an initial teacher education and

(04:59):
it's pretty woeful in mathematics. When you have a curriculum
that is waftly and over multiple years and doesn't tell
you what to teach and when, and it's not internationally benchmarked,
and we don't have any resource to support it or
assess our kids to see how they're going, then what
do you expect decades of decline, which is what we
have had, and we're turning that.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
Around, I mean, because it gives the impression that what's
been happening in maths glasses up to now is a
whole bunch of kind of just unguided or directionless fathing around.
Is that what's been going on?

Speaker 5 (05:28):
Well the curriculum, to give you an example, between years
one and three of the old curriculum, we've just turfed
fit on an a four page that tells you everything
you need to know. We were not being clear about
what must be taught and when. And in mathematics it's
so important because you have to do things in a
certain sequential order and you have to master it before

(05:49):
you can move on, because if you miss an essential
building block in maths, it's very hard to catch up.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
Erica, do you think, I mean, you are facing a
huge amount of opposition from teachers at the moment in
principles for what you're trying to do, do you think
that as these results come out by a bit showing
that you are making progress in your ideas of working,
do you think you're going to get them on board.

Speaker 5 (06:07):
So I couldn't have done any of this without the
incredible work of teachers and principles who have been implementing
our reforms over the last year or so. They've done
a huge amount of heavy lifting, and they should be
extraordinarily proud of these results. They did this and I
didn't teach any kids to do maths. It was them.
And I think you're right that the more of these

(06:27):
results that we see, the more confidence we will build.
But I'm really clear, I am in this job fighting
for our kids, and I will continue to keep going
because parents. That's what parents expect, that their kids are confident,
capable across all subjects and can then go on to
live the life that they want.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
Yeah, now, listen. The other thing that is remarkable is,
of course the kids who are really really far behind,
who managed to do this extra math situition over twelve
weeks and accelerate their learning by two years. Is that
going to be available now that this is just a pilot,
is that going to be availab to a wider group now?

Speaker 5 (07:02):
Well, the results that we saw with the children who
were doing thirty minute sessions four times a week showed
that they made two years worth of catch up in
twelve weeks, and so we're looking to roll that out
next year to through fifteen thousand children, So thirteen thousand
and the beginning of the year and another two thousand
a bit later on, so fifteen thousand children will receive that.

(07:23):
There'll be a little bit of online, but we're trying
to do as much as we can. That is that
teacher in front of a small group, because we could
see that that was the most effective and the most
beneficial to catch those kids up.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
Yeah, brilliant. Listen. Where are you at with the paydeal?

Speaker 5 (07:39):
Well, we're always hopeful. Of course, we're working hard. The
Public Service Commissioner is working very hard. He's at the table,
and negotiations are a proceeding. So we really don't want
to start next year in a situation where we're back
into rolling strikes. We want to come to an agreement.
We've put everything on the table in good faith. We've

(08:00):
been very open and honest about you know what we
can do, and negotiations are ongoing.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
Brilliant. Hey, thank you very much, Eric, I really appreciate
your time. The therapi Standford Education Minister who obviously just
keeps on smashing it out of the park. Here the
read the regional councils Yes, yes, yes, another text Heather, Yes, yes, yes.
Regional councils need to go go go quasi corporations self
entitled toss pots. This is the best news ever. That's
from friendship Hither. I'm a small business owner and a

(08:25):
taxpayer wanting to join the hundreds texting you right now
to say yay, good riddance to regional councils and the
transactional fillers who suck up our money. Yay from Michael. Honestly,
are you not feeling a little bit like that? I'm
feeling a little bit like I could just fill a
text right now with yes, yes, yes, and lots of
yays drawn out with plenty of a's. Quarter past four.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
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Speaker 3 (08:53):
Here the great news on regional councils as a business owner.
We can just get on with making money and paying
more tax. Yay. I don't know about the tax. Yeating
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Speaker 3 (09:09):
Yay is the word of the day. Darcy water Grave
Sports Talk coasters with me.

Speaker 6 (09:13):
Hello, Darcy's a good thing about paying tax?

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Does it means I have a job?

Speaker 3 (09:16):
This is you know, silver linings. Absolutely, that's cup, that's
glass halful right.

Speaker 6 (09:21):
That's the beauty of the class, not half full of
half empty. It's not my power bill. I don't mind
paying the power bill because it's the alternative. It's not very.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
Good sport all of a sudden sporty sports not letting
me down a garden? Have we got? Is Kyle Jamison
part of this black cap squad.

Speaker 6 (09:40):
And he's broken, so he's not going to be there initially.
They want to protect them, which is understandable.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
Hasn't he just been playing in the plunket what's what's
the face.

Speaker 6 (09:50):
The plunket shield?

Speaker 3 (09:51):
Yeah? Does that break?

Speaker 7 (09:54):
No?

Speaker 6 (09:55):
He's big and frail and so they don't want to
necessarily breaking himself.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
Eld bowler's body.

Speaker 6 (10:04):
Yeah, and he's a lump too. Have you ever met
the guys.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
It's huge.

Speaker 6 (10:08):
I don't know why he'd want to do this for himself,
but it's it's a cautionary measure so maybe later on
in the piece, but they're looking at workload management for
back injury. So you understand when we've got we've got
Tickner's come back again to the side. He wasn't playing,
then he got back into the white ball version. He
played really, really well, so he's kind of forced his

(10:31):
way in there. But we've got a number of players
who aren't available as far as the quicks are concerns,
so Matt Fisher, willow' rourke, ben CEUs, none of them
are available. But when you look at that and you
look at the nature of our lineup, is it entirely
that bad zach folks played really well in Zimbabwe? It
was only some barbwe granted. Jacob Duffy is the coming.

(10:52):
He's looking incredible in the whiteboard. He was too, so
you've got some talent in there. Nathan Smith's on the
side too. Matt Henry will need it all, so I'm
not freaking out so much the fact we've got four
or five six pacement in the environment is a good thing.
I suppose the big one out of this New Zealand
squad is that came Williamson's player been so long since

(11:16):
again Williamson has played any cricket for New Zealand at
any level, so that's wonderful to see him back in
the side. And Darryl Mitchell, who's how basically mister fix
at Superman. He climbs into the phone booth quite often.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
Does he for the black Caps?

Speaker 6 (11:30):
Yeah, and then wanders out and a Superman costume and
does what he does, So really good to see him.
What I'm filthy about is it's like it's another week
that the Test doesn't start till next Tuesday. What are
we supposed to do?

Speaker 3 (11:43):
Why is it not a yeah? That makes sense?

Speaker 6 (11:45):
So what I jam with his test in before Crimble,
So that's not a bad thing too. Tom Latham is
the skipper. Tom Blundle has got the wicked keeping role,
good looking team. Devin Conway always pressure on him, but
he did well too in the white ball version. And
let's not underestimate the threat of the West Indies. Although
I'm saying that I thought in England and Australia we

(12:05):
had to crash hot teams. They lasted two days.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
This is true. It's England's problem though, because I mean, geez,
the English press are climbing into them. It's their arrogance.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Well, it's to understand, it's not they didn't do.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
Any practice before they played golf.

Speaker 6 (12:20):
Well, even though it's not moving at them.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
Yeah, it's a bit smaller.

Speaker 6 (12:26):
Yeah, that's the way they disintegrated after actually being in
a position to maybe start to dominate or to lead,
and then they just threw away wicket after wicket after wicket.
I was like, wow, you guys really doing this. And
then of course Travis Head rolled in and I'll show
you how to do it and proceed to tan the

(12:46):
English all over the part that was stunning. The worst
thing about that is all the people and the caterers,
then the concession stands, thinking they were going at least
two more days, at least.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
That half the income, they would.

Speaker 6 (13:03):
Have lost three million in gate receipts. So that's well,
let's hope the next one goes a bit longer. Let's
hope there's a bit of stickability. Sir Jeffrey Boycott, a
well known Northern English cricketer, former captain who's known as
that miserable Miserable.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Show yesterday, which is brilliant, called them stupid.

Speaker 6 (13:22):
Yeah, I can't watch this anymore.

Speaker 8 (13:24):
I'm not doing it.

Speaker 6 (13:25):
It's just not crack far enaf to you too. So
they're going to be sitting around and if they really
wanted to lay and they could go Wow. Most of
the coaching staff are from New Zealand, so you can
blame the keywek.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Yep, absolutely why not and the captain Darcy, thank you
very much, appreciate it. Darcy water Grave Sports Talks Hostile
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Speaker 1 (13:47):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 9 (13:51):
The COVID inquiry run to Illingworth k C is the
chair of the inquiry. Do you have too many resignations?

Speaker 10 (13:56):
No, We've got very talented people.

Speaker 11 (13:58):
They've got a phone employment.

Speaker 9 (14:00):
When we furnish our job, it just goes sort of
against what you're saying. If people are seeing I'd love
to stay, but I'm leaving because I've got to go
find other work. It just seems to me that we've
got issues here.

Speaker 10 (14:09):
It's a lot different from the inside.

Speaker 9 (14:12):
Well, that's why we've got you on. I'm trying to
look at it from the inside. Something's going on. And
if you ring me up and go mate, twelve month job, come.

Speaker 12 (14:18):
And help us sort COVID.

Speaker 9 (14:19):
I'm all in and I'm in for the twelve months
because I've made a commitment. Not we'll see how we
go and I might quite up for five months. Doesn't
ring true to me. Back tomorrow at six am the
Mike Hosking Breakfast with a Vida News Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Cutting through the noise to get the facts.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
It's Heather Do for c Ellen Drive with one New
Zealand coverage like no one else News Talk ZBB.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
Pauline Hanson's been suspended in the last couple of hours
from the Senate for seven days for wearing the burker.
So Murray Old's will talk us through that when he's
with us in about fifteen minutes time. Hither My son
was in the maths pilot group and wow, he's loving it.
He struggled so much for the last two years, but
he's absolutely got it with the new guidelines. Do you
know what, I just think there are so many kids
who think that stupid because they're not being taught properly.

(15:01):
And the minute they understand it away they go and
that's where the love of education kicks. And I think
this is one. So there's two. Well, I said this
was the best news. The regional council's was the best
news you've heard in ages. But actually the education stuff
I think probably still Trump's it. But there's two bits
of fantastic news for turning around the country here the
listening to the education minister. How could anyone go back
to Tanisi and Flippy Chippy? Have we all got a

(15:25):
crush on Erica Stanford? I'm just gonna put that mean
we do, don't We like the countries in love with
Erica Stanford. That's what's going on right now. When we
heard Chris Bishop was the one that they were, We're like, oh,
be much better for is Erica? I don't lie you
have you've got a crush on her? I do Toohither
it's worth voting national next year on the education reforms alone. Heither?

(15:48):
No more regional councils are not going to mean a
reduction in our rates, are they, Pete? Well, Pete not
immediately right, So scrapping the regional counselors no, But when
they start scrapping this crap that they spend on the
plans one hundred percent. It's millions of dollars. You're not
going to have to pay millions.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
News is next, hard questions, strong opinion here the duplicy
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Speaker 2 (16:21):
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Speaker 13 (16:32):
Good cat ups christif.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
Is going to be a US after five o'clock, which
are standing by for that announcement involving the regional councils. Also,
we're going to talk to the New Zealand Initiative and
I'll get you across what they've got to say shortly
here that you and your listeners are dumb asses. Who's
going to take over the necessary functions of the regional councils? Wait,
wait for the deal first. And that's a fair point
to make, right because at the moment, obviously the regional

(16:56):
councils have a role and it's been split between the
various you know, layers of local body politics. You've got
you got your district councils and your city councils dealing
with all the local stuff whatever the traffic lights and
the roundabouts, all that kind of stupid stuff. And then
you've got the regional councils who are dealing with the
air and the water and the land and the you know,
the rivers and all that kind of stuff. So somebody's

(17:18):
going to have to take that over. You can't just
scrap them and go, oh, nobody needs some monitor that.
The question is how is that going to work? And
that is a fair question to ask. But surely whatever
it is that replaces regional councils has got to be
more streamlined, smarter, more efficient, less expensive. It's simply got
to be, because I can't imagine a system that is

(17:38):
even more cumbersome and expensive than the one we've got.
But anyway, Erica, sorry, not Erica. Chris Bishop will be
with us after five o'clock to talk us through. That's
twenty three away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
It's the world wires on newstalks, they'd be dry.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
In the US, the White House said it will appeal
the failed indictments of James Comey and Letitia James. A
federal judge has thrown those cases out because the US
attorney who brought the legal ag was appointed illegally. Former
FBI Director James Kobe has welcomed the judge's decision.

Speaker 14 (18:05):
I know that Donald Trump will probably come after me again,
and my attitude is going to be the same. I'm innocent,
i am not afraid, and I believe in an independent
federal judiciary.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
Ukrainian President Zelenski says at least some parts of the
American peace proposal are workable, but one of his former
advisers says we may still be a long way from
finding a peace accord. Everyone is happy with.

Speaker 15 (18:26):
Both sides are indeed very far apart, and this mutual
overlap of where they could compromise has always been very small.
Of the years, Russia still demanding things that are completely
unrealistic from Ukraine. Ukraine has a number of red lines
that are very hard to.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
Cross, and finally we got down Lament one. Now, why well,
missus dunfire? He's asy, why you're not going to believe this,
But an Italian man has actually tried to do this.
He's been accused of dressing up as his dead mother
in order to claim her benefit. He's fifty six years old.
He reportedly was able to fraudulently claim thousands of euros

(19:05):
before he was busted. He dressed up as his mum,
who was eighty five years old, went to the post
office to renew her ID card. Post office staff like
he did a good job. The wig was good, the
makeup was on point, looked awesome. But a post office
staffer called the cops because the woman's neck was too thick,
her skin was too smooth, and every so often her
voice dipped and she sounded like a man.

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Speaker 3 (19:33):
Murray Old's Australia correspondence with us Hallo muz A very
good afternoon, Heather Mas. Are you just dying to get
this cross over and done with so you can head
off to the gig?

Speaker 5 (19:43):
Well?

Speaker 16 (19:43):
I can't write to see them. I saw ACDC maybe
that well the last time they came through Australia, which
was maybe five years to six years ago, and I
can't wait to go back and see I think maybe
the best live show, along with the Rolling Stones I've
ever seen.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Have you seen recent videos though, Mars, because it's it's
looking a little.

Speaker 16 (20:06):
Bit shabby. I mean, Angus, he's actually younger than me,
but he looks like he's one hundred and twenty seven.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
It's the drugs.

Speaker 16 (20:14):
Well apparently know he's been a clean skinny. He just
loves the durries. I mean, other people in the band
apparently love the herb Superba. They get into the sauce.
But Angus just loves a bunger and a cup of
tea and he's been doing both for sixty years.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
The fags do make you look really old if you
keep at them for years. Okay, Pauline Hanson, Now, so
she's off for seven days on holiday, is she?

Speaker 16 (20:38):
Yeah, she's been suspended with the Senate, censured and suspended
for seven sitting days. That's for wearing a burker into
the chamber yesterday. It took presiding offices in the Senate
an hour and a half to get her out. She
refused to leave. I'm not laving as she sat there
in the burker. You know she's pulled the same stunt
in twenty seventeen from memory, and she was eventually kicked

(21:02):
out then too. And then she goes on Sky and
News last night to Andrew Bolt. You know who gives
her an easy time.

Speaker 12 (21:08):
Oh look, I lie.

Speaker 16 (21:09):
I love everybody, Andrew, I love everybody. It's got nothing
to do with race. Or respect it all religious all
religious faiths. But what she says she's banging on about
is the is the requirement for Muslim women to wear
a burker or a he Jack well, you know, Muslim
Women of Australia was on the air this morning saying, well,
no one's forcing us to do it. It's a religious

(21:31):
act that we want to follow. My husband is a
standing here, you know, with the rolling pen going to
belt me if I don't wear my burker. So you know,
once again Hansen has sort of maybe looked at the
kool aid that is the current public opinion figures to
showing her party at unprecedented levels of support, and she
thinks she'll bung this on. And after she was kicked

(21:54):
out of the Senate, she's duck down to her office,
broken out the sandwich machine, the old brevels, you know,
sandwich press, and knocked up three wag Us steaks for
her self and Barnaby Joyce. He came down and tucked
into two of them mashed potatoes if you don't mind
while they sort of talked about whether or not Barnaby's
is going to join one nation. I mean to be

(22:14):
honest that these two deserve each other unless you just
get a room.

Speaker 12 (22:17):
It's just horrible.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
All right. Listen, how long does it take you to
save for a house for a deposit for a house
in Sydney.

Speaker 16 (22:24):
In Sydney now on average of the well, are you
sitting down more than thirteen years to save the deposit?

Speaker 7 (22:38):
Well?

Speaker 16 (22:39):
If that, I mean there are still people, you know,
I go on their on the weekends. I've got to
show on two Gibi on the weekends. You just you know,
you throw the line out. You know, how old is
the oldest child still at home with mom and dad.

Speaker 12 (22:51):
I'm sixty three?

Speaker 16 (22:52):
Well, what are you doing there? Get out?

Speaker 12 (22:55):
It's just really really dreadful.

Speaker 16 (22:56):
And you know, young people just despair the single biggest
issue for young people in this country, and I dare
say in New Zealand and many other places as well.
They've got no hope of achieving the Aussie dream, which
is to buy your own house. Thirteen years on average
for a Sydney sider to save the twenty percent they
need in regional New South Wales. So that's the bush
that's Coffs Harbor or somewhere budget twelve years to save.

(23:20):
And how about this, if you buy a home in
Ride or you know, the eastern suburbs of Sydney, You're
going to be servicing them more if you could. You know,
with a twenty percent deposit, you're servicing a mortgage for
the next thirty five years, the mortgage taking more than
one hundred percent of median household income.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
You can't you can't even live.

Speaker 16 (23:42):
You can't do that, which is why people are being
forced to rent, rent, rent.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
Now I'm loving this. If you could just keep us,
keep bringing us all the negative stories about how stink
Australia is so we can stop the brain drawn from
New Zealand to Australia. Then I'll shout you something, mate, Yeah,
I'll shout you you're a lovely one. Yeah, I'll shout
you Stacy. Anyway, listen, tell me let us know how
the ACDC concert goes, because we've got concerning love dying.

Speaker 12 (24:11):
I'll let you know, buddy.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
Thanks mate, Off you go, Maria holds Australia correspondent. Oh
it's not going to sound like that, is it. No,
not at all, Heather. The Herald is groaning from the
tsunami of letters against Erica Stanford's changes seems not the
whole country is in love with her brackets, but I
am this is parents, parents love her heither. You're wrong

(24:33):
if you think everyone is in love with Erica. She's arrogant, divisive,
acts and speaks like a colonist and one of the
worst education ministers we've had in New Zealand. How do
you act and speak like a colonist? What does that
even mean? Is that if you speak English? Because then
in that case, yes, anyway, Thomas, another colonist is going
to be with us next sixteen away from five.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
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Speaker 3 (24:57):
Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editors, with us right now.

Speaker 17 (24:59):
Hello Tom, he had a good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
Regional councils are gone Burger.

Speaker 18 (25:04):
Well there is. There is an announcement at five o'clock
this afternoon. I've actually have written a column about what
the government was looking at back in July. So if
if your readers want to google Thomas Coglan council merger
a algamation thing and read a really good article from.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
July agamation amalgamation thing, Well, I can't.

Speaker 17 (25:26):
Say anything about about what the government is planning. I
really can't.

Speaker 18 (25:30):
They they've sworn me to secret see, but I would
I would go back and read that column from July.

Speaker 17 (25:34):
I think they've got.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
Column thirteen minutes and then they can tune into christ
Bishop here on the show.

Speaker 17 (25:39):
We're doing a Black Friday sale, so pretty subscribe.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
They can ever listen to it. All right, Well, you
can't talk much about that, so never mind that.

Speaker 17 (25:47):
Will move on.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
Then tell me about Labor fluting with Winnie.

Speaker 17 (25:51):
Yes, this is really interesting.

Speaker 18 (25:52):
So obviously obviously Labor, Labor wants to repeal the Regulatory
Standards Act, and then last week when Si Peters decided
that he wanted to to repeal it as well, so
Labor sort of teased tease mister Peters today putting out
a members bill saying, hey, look let's just repeal it.

Speaker 5 (26:08):
Now.

Speaker 17 (26:08):
We've put our members bill in the tin.

Speaker 18 (26:11):
And Winston obviously has the votes to join with Labor,
the Greens to Party Mary to to make that members
bill law. Winston fired off a tweet he's flying to
Hanaway at the moment. I think he used the inn
Air Wi FI to file a tweet accusing Labour of
playing political games, saying that they hold their coalition agreement,
which is for this term and then obviously at the

(26:31):
twenty twenty six election they will campaign on repealing the
Regulatory Standards Act, which they would probably need labor.

Speaker 17 (26:36):
Support to do.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Yeah, but they've just busted him playing his game, haven't they,
Because if he actually really wanted to repeal the thing
that he himself voted in, then he could do it
right now with their help, couldn't they.

Speaker 18 (26:47):
He could And you know this precedent for this, the
Greens of the exact same thing back in the twenty
seventeen to twenty twenty election. The Green said, look, we'll
vote for your walker jumping law and then National put
it in a member's bill to repeal the walker jumping
law after the past and the Greens actually said, hey,
look Winston, we said we're honor the coalition agreement and
vote for the law. We didn't say anything about voting
for repealing it. And they did both in the same parliament,

(27:09):
and then of course they used it.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
But he doesn't actually when he doesn't actually want to
unwind the law, he just wants to campaign on it.

Speaker 17 (27:16):
Yeah, I did you know, I think the events of
today would strongly suggest.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
To acact on man, we're busted him. Now, what is
going on with Chris Luxon and the polling and the
ongoing questions film me and what's happened today.

Speaker 18 (27:26):
It's an incredible, incredible sort of event. Today, Christoph Luxm
was up in Auckland where he was asked about whether
he cared about the national MP's who are going to
lose their jobs on current polling if an election were
held today. I've actually got the audio of what he
said in his response to.

Speaker 7 (27:41):
It, if you don't hold any concerns for those MP's
who on the current polling numbers.

Speaker 17 (27:45):
If an election was held today would lose their jobs,
going to worry for them?

Speaker 18 (27:50):
So pretty I mean, pretty staggering sort of response here,
pretty kind of keell us. I guess I actually put
that to Chris Bishop in a press conference a little
while ago, and he is what he had to say.

Speaker 19 (28:01):
I think, I'll think, I think, I think we've dealt
with all the ethemera.

Speaker 17 (28:05):
Related to the Are you worried because he'd be one
of them?

Speaker 19 (28:08):
You, I've got a three point fifteen to talk about
resource management reforms, so we're better get to that.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Hey, thank you very much.

Speaker 18 (28:14):
So there's a lot so that annoys. You Here is
Chris Bishop leaving his own office. The press conference was
in his own office, so Chris Bishop had to actually
get up from get from the chair and leave his
own office, leaving the entire well half of the press
gallery are sitting around his table.

Speaker 17 (28:28):
So it's not a great lock now I do.

Speaker 18 (28:30):
I've got a statement from the Prime Minister, from the
Prime Minister's spokesperson who said the Prime Minister is answering
a hypothecal question. He is confident all national MP's will
be returned at the next election. Our plan to fix
the basics and build the future as working and we're
confident of getting a strong result in twenty twenty six.
So it is possible that he that he misspoke, even likely,
but it is quite an incredible turn of events. I
think when there's all this leadership speculation swirling swirling around

(28:53):
Chris Bishop. Of course they don't have your sort of
answer straight and a question like that, you know, it's
show some empathy you say the right thing, which is
you know, of course I'm concerned for these MP's and
you know what, we're going to fight hard, we're going
to win the election and we're going to have an
even bigger caucus next week.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
But this is the problem with Chris lux and he's
not nimble, right, and he doesn't figure out how to
say things properly because if he was to express empathy,
then he would be worried that it would be confirmation
of the fact that the thing might really happen. Right
what But today was actually an important day because today
was caucus where potentially if Chris Lucxeon had the kahones,
he could flush Chris bish about did anything happen in caucus?

Speaker 18 (29:29):
It was this This is a recess week this week,
so so he no caucus, so he needs Lunesday. Yeah,
and the next Tuesday is a is the scrutiny week.
So I'm not sure what the carcuse rules are on
whether they actually are holding a caucus meeting at the
scrutiny during scrutiny weeks. So he does have a bit
of time. But of course that's not impossible to hold
an extraordinary caucus meeting if there is if there is

(29:51):
no confidence in Chrystopher Luckson. Now, of course it doesn't
look like there is an active coup underweight at the moment,
but I have to say after that after that press conference.
That's probably one of the biggest foot in mouth events
of Chrystopher Luckson's career, so it'll be interesting to see
whether that causes some pace to get a bit shaky.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
Cool yay for the National Party. All right, Thomas, thanks
very much, appreciate it. Thomas Coglin, The Herald's political editor. Look,
I think Thomas has touched on something that I think
goes some way to explaining why there is this disquiet
in the National Party at the moment. It's because on
current polling, even people like Chris Bishop and Nikola Willis
would be out of parliament. Goldsmith out of parliament. You'd
have some of your top performers out of parliament because

(30:29):
they either they'll lose their seats or they'll lose their
list rankings. So rather than this being what normally happens,
which is the back benches get irritated, it's actually the
senior ministers who are the ones who are bit jittery.
This time around eight away from five here the do
you realize that Chris Bishop is an electric MP not
a list MP. Yes, Graham, I do. The point I
was trying to make is he will lose his seat
to Ginny Anderson on current polling. Also, some list MPs

(30:50):
will lose their placement. So it's across the board. It's
electorates and it's listing, it's marginal electorates, it's list MPs.
It's the whole. It's the whole shooting box. As my
grandfather used to say. That last text about Erica summed
it up. Erica haters hate the how, but her fans
love the what. Education isn't as important as identity for
the haters. It's a fair point to make. Four away

(31:10):
from six. Wayne Brown's done a thing today. So there
was a there was a council meeting in Auckland today
and Eden Park were busy presenting and the Palestinian Palestine
sorrowed our solidarity network AlSi or started interrupting five million.

Speaker 14 (31:29):
You are a shameful individual.

Speaker 7 (31:31):
I hope you realize that.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
Three pree Palestine. So anyway, then this happened three pree Palestine,
and not really cross with him now for saying that,
which is quite funny because it's inappropriate. Anyway, I'm not finishing.

(31:54):
We've got to talk about Wayne Brown actually and what
he's just done here. Talk about it in the next
half an hour or so. Also need to get you
across what is going on. The government has announced that
it wants to fix the state of it in our
health system and basically digitize it. Now, I am always
surprised by it. Are you surprised by this?

Speaker 8 (32:12):
Like I am.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
You go to the doctor and they go what happened?
And you're like, where are your Like everybody is running
integrated systems nowadays. Like, I just cannot believe that you
could go to the doctor and then go to the
hospital and they can't share your information. Now, some doctors
obviously do. Mine fortunately does. In fact, sometimes I like
to just kind of flirt with two different doctors. Go

(32:33):
to that doctor, go to that doctors and they can
share with each other, which is quite handy, makes that
whole thing a bit more seamless. But the fact that
they're not all doing it is just mind blowing to me,
given that the internet's been around for a very long time. Anyway,
we'll get you across that shortly, but first Chris Bishop
on whether he really is doing the thing that's getting
us all excited and scrapping the regional councils he's with us.

Speaker 14 (32:53):
Next the.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
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get the answers, find the fact and give the analysis.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Here the duplicy Ellen Drive.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
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Speaker 3 (33:26):
The government has just announced it once to scrap regional councils.
It's proposing to instead replace them with boards made up
of mayors from the local region. This would be the
biggest shakeup of local government in more than thirty five years.
In the man responsible as Chris Bishop, the RMA reform
Minister High bish Hello, is this part of a large
RMA package.

Speaker 19 (33:45):
Yes, you'll see in our RMA reforms in a couple
of weeks time, much more simplification of the system, greater standardization,
the removal of duplication in the system. And we think
it's in light of all of that it's time to
look at local government as well. We thought quite hard
about it because it is a big call. It's the biggest,
It would be the biggest shake up since nineteen eighty nine.
But we think given we're making going to make these

(34:06):
changes to the way in which we do things locally anyway,
you know, now's the time to basically do it all.
It's a big mother, big gonor, but I think it's
worth it, and un frankly, I think these Zellanas are
up for it as well. I think there's widespread dissatisfaction
with the performance of local government right now, and you know,
you've got you've got a huge amount of frustration out

(34:26):
there amongst the general public. So we think, you know,
now it's the time to do it.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
When are they gone?

Speaker 19 (34:34):
Well, we are proposing We're proposing a consultation document right
now which would get rid of elected regional councilors and
essentially have a board of mayors for a region. So
for you know, take Wellington for example, the mayors of
Lower Hearts and Upper Heart and POI RUA would take
over the running of the regional things that the regional

(34:55):
council does, and then we would ask those mayors and
those councils to go through a process of looking at
how they organize themselves regionally, and one option that might
come out of that might be the adoption of a
unitary authority for all of Wellington, for example, and I
think certainly in Wellington which is Valentinian. Yeah, yeah, we

(35:17):
exactly creating some sort of unitary authority as sort of
supersity welling for the Wellington region, which would just have
one layer of governments, right, rather than having a regional
council like we have at the moment, and all of
these constituent councils as well.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
Yeah, well, I feel like that would automatically happen, wouldn't it.
I mean, surely it would happen in Wellington. Canterbury would
have to consider it as well.

Speaker 19 (35:36):
Oh, there's quite a bit of support for it down
in Canterbury. I mean this huge frustration with the performance
of e can for example, Environment Canterbury down there, and
to be honest and to be honest here that quite
a lot of people in local government say to me, look,
unless you guys do it, as in you know, you
guys as in central government, Unless you guys do this
to us, it will never happen. Yeah, Because and there's
been a few attempts in Wellington over the years, but

(35:57):
also Hooks Bay, there's been some attempt down in South
find to sort of amalgamate and reorganize and they always
fail because status quo bias kicks in. It goes to
a local referendu then all the people get worked up
at fails. Actually, people sometimes say to us in central government, look,
can you just get on and do it?

Speaker 12 (36:13):
To us?

Speaker 19 (36:14):
Everyone knows, even people who are elected counselors know that
the status quo I think is unsustainable.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
Okay, But if you are only getting rid of the
elected councilors and are replacing them with the board of mayors,
does that mean that you're actually kemping keeping the background
the back room functions of the regional council going, which
is arguably and not arguably it is the most expensive
part that stays.

Speaker 19 (36:35):
Intact in the short term before we get to the
stage two, which is the regional reorganization, which we would
expect to result in much much greater simplification of the
way in which the regions organize themselves. And that's where
the resource management reforms kick in. And so that's why
they're kind of linked because through.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
This is where we go. This is this is where
we really start to make the savings, right, because the
actual councilors don't cost that much. It's the crap that
goes on in the background. It's the tens of millions
of dollars and the years that they spend on planning
things for fresh water and rivers and stuff like that.
Are you going to simplify and make that cheaper for us?

Speaker 19 (37:12):
Yes, we are, and that's why it's linked to resource
management reform. So take for example, making a plan. At
the moment, on average, it takes about six or seven
years to write a plan, just a simple plan for
a city or a region. We think we can get
that down to two years through the new resource management
system and there'll be much greater simplification and standardization. So,

(37:33):
for example, there'll be fewer consents required in the new system.
Fewer consents means fewer people in council bureaucracies processing all
of the consents. So that will result in the stripping
cost out of the system.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Because what it gets shorter, it becomes a shorter process
and presumably a cheaper process because there are pre existing
pre written plans they get to choose from rather than
writing their own plans.

Speaker 19 (37:53):
Yes, correct, So you know, the example I've been talking
about publicly for a while now is New Zealand has
eleven hundred and seventy five. I have different zones across
the country right all, every single zone has its own rules.
Canterbury alone has like two hundred and sixty something.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
And what are you going to get it down to
thirteen across New Zealand?

Speaker 19 (38:11):
Well, Japan has thirteen. I don't think we're going to
get to thirteen, but you know, can we can we
get closer to thirteen and eleven hundred and seventy five.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
That's going to make the rates.

Speaker 19 (38:20):
It will put downward pressure on rates, sure, because we're
going to strip cost out of the system and our
expectation is that that value nor more people's talk.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Right, rates will never get they will never come down,
but can you stop the rise?

Speaker 19 (38:34):
We can put downward pressure on them. And we've got
wider work underway around rates capping as well, which Simon
Watts will have more to say about very soon.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
Now listen, I'm sorry to do this, but we're going
to have to talk about the thing. Did you leave
your office today because of Thomas Coglan's questions.

Speaker 19 (38:50):
Leave after in the press conference years No, we had
a forty five minute press conference.

Speaker 12 (38:54):
We'd come to the end of it.

Speaker 19 (38:55):
I had to go to a meeting about the Resource Management.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
Act in another office.

Speaker 19 (39:00):
Yes, well well no, no, the meeting was in my office.

Speaker 17 (39:03):
But that's fine, So you.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
Had to leave you because so Thomas was asking your
awkward questions, So you had to leave your office. Everybody
would leave so you could come back in for your meeting.

Speaker 19 (39:11):
That was we at a forty five minute press conference
and dealt with all the questions. The press coffers had
come to an end. That's why I left the office.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
Bish. What he was asking you is how's how's the
polling looking in your seat? Are you're going to lose
your seat on current polling in Hut South.

Speaker 19 (39:25):
I'm not focused on that. I'm focused on my ministerial job. Obviously,
I'll be putting my best foot forward in Hut South
and I'd love to remain the local ellecterate MP for
Hut South, but that will ultimately over to the good
people of Huts South in a year or so's time.
But I've got a job to do as the Minister
of You know quite a few things, frankly, and you
know the best thing I can do for the Hut
Valley is make sure that we get these RMA reforms

(39:46):
done in the local government.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
Okay, So the answer to that question is obviously then yes,
you are on current polling going to lose your seat.
How do you feel about the fact the Prime Minister
was asked about this today whether he was concerned about
the MPs who would lose their seats on current polling,
and he said he wasn't concerned or.

Speaker 19 (40:00):
My understandings is clarified that answer. He thought he was
answering a hypothetical question.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
Do you wish he answering questions than he is.

Speaker 19 (40:08):
Well, my understandings is clarified that answer, and I'm sure
that's not what he meant. I mean, clearly we want
as many National and Peace to win their seats. I
want to win my seat. Simon Watts wants to win
his seat. Everyone who holds an a literate seat for
the National Party would love to hold those seats. But actually,
as you know hither, it's the party vote that counts.
And making sure we get as many party votes for
National as the critical thing that we've all got to

(40:28):
be focused on, and that's my number one priority.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
Chris, thanks very much, listen. I'm sorry this crap is
overshadowing the wonderful work you're doing and good work with
the RMA stuff, Chris Bishop, RMA Reform Minister, with some
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Speaker 2 (41:39):
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Speaker 3 (41:42):
It's about time to get rid of the regional councils.
They're paying staff for doing nothing. I've seen it myself
eighteen past five. Now the government is embarking on a
plan to fix the sorry state of it in our
health system, the Health Digital Investment Plan. It's going to
take ten years and it aims to modernize and unify
the digital systems used our health sick to Doctor Luke
Bradford is the President of the Royal College of GPS

(42:03):
and with us.

Speaker 12 (42:03):
Now, Hi Luke, Hi, Heather, how are you doing.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
I'm well. This is overdue though, isn't it.

Speaker 20 (42:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. We've been doing fragmented, piecemeal, bespoke
solutions that don't get delivered for years. So this is
something that we can at least build towards.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
Okay, so what's the end goal? Is it that you
or any other doctor, any other healthy, any hospital whatever
in the whole country can click on my name and
see all the stuff about my medical history.

Speaker 20 (42:29):
I mean there's some stuff on confidentiality there, but I'll
give you a real life example. I'm currently palliating. I'm
looking after forty four year old mother of three who's
dying a year and a half ago. I wrote a letter,
because that's what we still do. We write letters to
the hospital. A hospital wrote her a letter, gave her
an appointment, but she couldn't get to because she has
to get a boat in order to get to the hospital,
so they sent her another one. She showed up, got

(42:52):
the boat, got there and someone was off sick, and
so she had to go home. The cardiologist, cardiologist and
a renal doctor talk to each other, didn't talk to me,
didn't talk to the patient. It's all ended up with
her in a heap and she's now going to die
of heart failure. At no point was there a point
where she could have picked her own appointment, where she
could have entered her own observations, where as sugars were

(43:13):
where we could have worked quickly to change our medicines
around us in real life, rather than waiting months for
letters to bounce back and forth.

Speaker 12 (43:19):
So that's why it's needed.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
So at the moment, some GP practices have got their
own systems, right, is the goal basically to put it
all together so we're all using one system. Is that
the goal?

Speaker 20 (43:29):
No, I think it's going to be a click in
so that it works alongside for systems in because it's
not just GPS, GP's aged residential care, pharmacy, hospitals, all
of these providers, and so I think the idea is
that something sits that you can leap click into and
the patient we have to access to.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
Yeah, brilliant, Hey Luke, thank you very much. His hoping
it goes well. Let's stopt to Luke Bradford, Royal New
Zealand College of GP's president. Right, Hither, I will buy
Chris Bishop a box of beers if he ditches the
Regional Council's life, like you're going to owe him that.
Heather Wayne Brown, someone needs to buy the man a beer.
Let's talk about Wayne Brown next five to twenty one.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather du for
Clan Drive with one New Zealand coverage like no one
else news talk sa'd be.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
Heither, I'm a nurse. Wellington hospitals still write their notes
on paper. One hospital does not see the next hospital's
notes for patients. Nothing is interface. Emails are still at
CCDHB because they're too scared to change them to Health
New Zealand. It's ridiculous, isn't it. Five twenty four Now,
Wayne Brown, as I told you earlier, as I played
you earlier, has mocked the free Palestine protesters because when

(44:37):
they said when they interrupted his meeting's council meeting and
said free Palestine, he just paused for a minute and
then he said free Bear, which is obviously completely inappropriate.
But that's why it's funny, isn't it, Because it's so
completely inappropriate. And when I saw this today, it made
me think of what he said yesterday. He was on
the radio and he wasn't asked to do this, but
you know, it's Wayne Brown. So he offered National and

(44:58):
Labor some free advice, which was basically that they needed
to be more like him, and he can see signs
that they're already trying to do it. I mean, Labor's
already ripped off his future fund policy and I would
agree with him. I think both major parties. In fact,
I think most politicians out there right now could do
worse than take a leaf out of Wayne Brown's book.
Wayne Brown is actually very good at what he does.

(45:19):
He is very clear about his plan. Right his plan
is to cut costs and raise city income and keep
rates down. He is doing what he planned. The ports
are earning more than they have before. Cut costs have
come down. Auckland rates only went up by seven percent
last year six percent this year. It feels to me
like everybody else like one hundred percent. Everybody else is
paying more than Auckland is going up by more than Auckland.

(45:41):
But everybody else last year felt like they were in
the double digits compared to his seven percent. And you
cannot argue that he's not authentic. He is authentic. He
says what he thinks. That's what happened with the free
Palestine situation today. It happened the time he called the
media drong goes. It seems to happen every time he
comes on this show a little bit lit after some
afternoon beers. Now, I don't think a lot of Auckland

(46:03):
voters necessarily like Wayne Brown. I mean, I think some
people find him amusing, some people don't really care either way.
Others simply think a borish mayor is a small price
to pay for tidying up the city's finances. But you
can never accuse him of leaving you unsure of what
he thinks and what he plans to do and what
his achievements are and the fact that he has got achievements.

(46:24):
And I feel like that is some advice that both
Chrises could take from a politician who is actually, despite predictions,
turned out to be not half bad.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Would Heather do for ce Ellen?

Speaker 3 (46:34):
Okay, listen, the advice is already rolling and Riich it
does every year. Watch out because it's Tuesday, and you
know what's on Friday. It's the Black Friday sales, and
the advice is already coming in. Ooh, watch out. Don't
get sucked in by a sale that isn't a thing.
You know the old Brisco's trick where it's like a
sale at the weekend and they're not a sale during
the week They're like, watch out for that. If they're
saying it's a sale and it's five hundred dollars, check

(46:55):
that it actually is more than five hundred dollars most
of the time. Can I just alert you to the fact, though,
because it's leave aside all that advice, there are some
bargains out there, Producer Sam. I would defy anyone to
beat Producer Sam's Black Friday bargain on Saturday. So this
is like said black Friday. It's more like black black

(47:16):
November by the looks of things. Producer Sam was playing
on the TikTok because he's of that generation, and he
got an advert to say north Face, you know, which
is very cool for the young people at the moment,
the north Face clothing. North Face is having a Black
Friday Salem Water bargain, so he clicked on it. He
bought a black north Face jacket, which is the only
kind of north Face jacket you ever want to be
seen in that is usually retailing, he reckons at about

(47:37):
two hundred and seventy to three hundred dollars. He bought
it four seventeen dollars. Seventeen dollars for something that should
be close to the three hundred dollar mark. He reckoned.
I was like, that's surely not all you bought, because
at this point I'm like, do some girl math, mate,
just buy as much as you can. He says. He
also bought a T shirt that's around about thirty five bucks.

(47:57):
He bought it for four dollars. He said he spent
more on freight than what he actually did on buying
the items. That how good is that?

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Beat?

Speaker 14 (48:06):
That?

Speaker 3 (48:06):
That is the Black Friday sale deal so far? I
did one accidentally last night. I went to buy a
cup hot This is how boring I am went to
buy an extra cup holder for the PRAM. I know,
I know, I'm just throwing my money at myself and
I got a Black Friday deal on it seven dollars off.
Where news is next?

Speaker 2 (48:23):
The day's newsmakers talked to Heather first.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Heather du for see Ellen Drive with One New Zealand
and the Power of Satellite Mobile New Sauce.

Speaker 12 (48:36):
In the Wicklacher NASA.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
Teacher Tubble standing by. After six o'clock, we got d
Dion Swiggs, who's a Canterbury regional counselor, reacting to the
fact that Bush is going to acts for counsels. Heather,
has Sam's jacket actually aright? Or is it a scam?
Who's breaking this news? Answering you breaking this news to Sam?
I don't want to break this news to Sam Lord.

(49:04):
Imagine that. Imagine he thinks he's got himself the deal
of the century and not and it's not happened. He's
just been it's been scammed out of twenty one dollars.

Speaker 21 (49:12):
Yeah, I was gonna say. I mean, usually when something's
too good to be true, it kind of is. I've
almost been taken in by a board game one like
that before. Actually, But I'm sure Sam's much more like
O Fay with the Internet than you or I like.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
So, well, here's young girl, I hope so I hope
he understands the Internet. Anyway. Listen, I'll tell you what
I'll do is in the six o'clock news when I've
got some proper time, I'll just quietly broach the subject
with Sam and just see what the situation is, and
I'll report back. I'll ask him to show me the receipts,
as they say, twenty four away from six. Now, there's
a little bit of concern that universities at the moment
are handing out A grades too easily. There's a new

(49:44):
report out from the New Zealand Initiative which shows the
number of grades number of A grades given out since
two thousand and six has gone up by sixty four
percent to basically now constitute close to forty percent of
all grades doctor James Kerstead is a research fellow. At
the end, they should have been ease with us. Hi
James Hi. Okay, so what's going on yet? I mean,

(50:04):
how prolific are these A grades?

Speaker 22 (50:08):
Well, I mean it's between thirty and forty percent of
total grades and should be getting to the point now
where A grades are about to be the most common
grade awarded at New Zealand universities. Where should it be?
I mean it's hard to say. It depends on the cohort,
but I think that most people would think that a's
probably shouldn't be the most common grade. That should probably
be a B or a C, as it was in

(50:30):
the past. By the way, if you look at the
United States, initially the C was the most common grade,
then B, and now for the last thirty years, the
A has been the most common grade at US universities.
So in that sense, we're just catching up with them,
but it's not really something we want to follow them in.
Because great inflation has been a big deal in the States.
It's sort of helped undermine confidence in universities there, and

(50:51):
so I think universities here should probably think about doing
something about the grade inflation so that doesn't hurt their
reputation as well.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
What do you think is causing this?

Speaker 22 (51:00):
I think the academics feel I used to be an
academic myself, so I know this. They feel a lot
of pressure to keep student numbers up because if your
student numbers fall, there's a risk that your program's going
to get cut, and therefore that your job is going
to get cut. So I'm not saying people think about
this entirely consciously or completely cynically, but there's a sense
that if you get a reputation as a harsh grader,
then you probably are going to lose student numbers, and

(51:21):
that's going to put you in a dangerous position. The
other thing is you want good student feedback because that
can help you in promotion and help you keep your job.
And there's a sense that if you give out good grades,
then students are going to give you good feedback. So
both of those mechanisms I think are really important.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
I mean, why does this put an employer right? Because
if you're actually actively if you really really want the
smartest of the smartest, and you're looking for a's, this
is no longer going to tell you what you need
to know. So what do you do.

Speaker 22 (51:46):
Well, that's exactly right. I mean I've spoken to employers
who said that they had to set up their own testing,
and in the old days, universities would have been reliable.
You know, you could have just outsourced the testing of
students to the universities and they would have been able
to stamp students with a pretty reliable signal. This is
an outstanding student, this is a good student, this is
an okay student. This person really doesn't work very hard.
You know, only accept this person if you really need somebody.

(52:06):
But nowadays, yeah, all it shows now is that all
in a shows now is that that student was in
the top thirty or forty percent of the distribution.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
Okay, what is your What does your gap tell you?

Speaker 10 (52:17):
Do you think that?

Speaker 3 (52:18):
I mean, you're warning the universities at the moment that
basically their credibility is on the line. But they have
all of these motivating factors. What does your gap tell
you they're going to do? Are they going to stop
handing out the a's or just carry on as they are.

Speaker 22 (52:30):
I think they're going to carry on as they are,
to be perfectly honest, Okay, I mean I think the
government might have a role here. I mean if they
think and I'm not saying this because I I'm not
saying this completely because I hate them, I think that
there's a good reason why individual universities wouldn't do that,
because if one university solves the grade inflation problem, then
they have harsher grading than the other universities, and then
they risk having fewer students because the students are going

(52:52):
to go to the universities where the grating is easier.
So really there's a role for government here. I think
that we have to fix it at the systemic level
and so on. The things you can do is make
the student numbers less important for funding allocations, right, because
that was one of the things that drives and the
other thing is about student feedback. So make student feedback
less important how you assess academics, because those are the
two big pressures on academics to give up better and

(53:14):
better grades.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
Yeah, brilliant, James, it's good to talk you. Ma'd appreciate it,
Doctor James Kysted, New Zealand Initiative Research Fellow.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
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Speaker 3 (53:26):
On the huddle. By the way, twenty away from six,
we have Tim Wilson, Maximum Institute in Craig Rennie, Labor
candidate for Wellington Bays one stip Craig towards becoming a
future finance minister. How are you feeling?

Speaker 10 (53:43):
Thank you.

Speaker 11 (53:44):
It's fantastic to be nominated. It's fantastic to have the
news out there and I'm looking forward to being nothing
other than the candidate for lever for Wellington Bays and
to be a fantastic representative of the wonderful people of Wellington.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
Oh, listen to you. This is what you said to
us two weeks ago.

Speaker 23 (54:00):
Haven't knownced my candidacy, but I'm not doing.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
It on this ship now.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
And I hear it Tim Wilson chortling in the background
of that clip. Craig, can we just have it? Can
you just know as a future labor finance minister that
the things that you hear on the show are just
so bloody bang on.

Speaker 11 (54:17):
Yes, I didn't know my candidacy on your show, so
yes you may have. Yes, yeah, but at the time
it wasn't real because I was only selected last week.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
Yeah, but we're already new Well we could see it
we could feel in our waters.

Speaker 10 (54:31):
Tim, it's in the way you speak, the disposition, the
way you hold yourself, and Craig, I've been working on
a few slogans for you. So just how about this,
Craig really from the CTU, just to help out you.

Speaker 12 (54:45):
Oh you're not going to go with it.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
I'll keep it under advice. Brilliant. I love it all.

Speaker 14 (54:55):
Craig.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
Congratulations mate, you did. Congratulations for all the ribbing we
did say we had to get you on just to
bully you a little bit. We've done that. Now now
we can talk about regional councils. Tim, how good is
the news regional councils are going to get the acts?

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (55:08):
Yeah, Look it's I think I think politically it's it's
going to resonate well, as your texters have already said.
Does this help national Absolutely it does. You know, you
never lose if you're going to say local bodies aren't
up to scratch. But it was actually confusing. There was
the local level and then the regional level. So clarification

(55:29):
or at least wiping out that middle layer. I think
it's going to be helpful. I do want to know
where the accountability goes for those areas, and I think
there are there are arguments for a regional regional bodies,
say special purpose organizations like public transport in Wellington. Actually,
wait a minute, Craig, that could be something for you
to campaign on, but you know that crosses a few

(55:50):
jurisdictions and you'd want a regional organization.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
For that, Craig. I mean this is obviously in your
part of the world. This is going to spark amalgamation,
isn't it, Because the Wellington Region Council does things like transport,
public transport, and if you don't have them sitting there
doing public transport, which is messive, it's just going to
make you guys think much harder about joining the councils together,
isn't it.

Speaker 11 (56:11):
I think you're right. I think the challenges is that
it leaves a bunch of potentially messy outcomes in terms
of transport, water, infrastructure, other forms of infrastructure at the
regional council level. In the UK, I used to work
for the grandly titled Association of Northeastern Councils, which essentially
is what the Government is proposing today, where you had each.

Speaker 8 (56:32):
Local authority would put someone.

Speaker 11 (56:33):
Forward and then you'd have a bunch of people who
made regional decisions. The challenge was was that nothing really
happened because what you've got was a bunch of people
in the room who all then disagreed with each other
because their priorities were their own areas rather than the
actual regional needs. And so my question is is anything
actually really going to change as a consequence of this,

(56:56):
because well, the service was still being delivered, those services
will still be needed.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
It's at the planning stage, isn't it. So this is
what we need to see. This is is part of
a bigger RM reform, and the bigger RM reform, Craig is,
we're it's the planning stuff that they do that takes
tens of millions dollars and seven years, as Chris Bishop
was saying, they take that out, they simplify that that's
where we make the savings, really, isn't it.

Speaker 11 (57:19):
I think absolutely anything that preventes greater certainty in planning
in sort of in resource management would be hugely welcomed.
But the big cost drivers in regional council services are water,
are public transport, and they're not hugely affected by this change.
Because I imagine both of those services will still continue,

(57:42):
and to be frank, they're the areas that need a
really good look at because we still don't have a
clear picture how many of those bits of infrastructure are
actually going to be paid for.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
Yeah, all right, we'll take a break and come back
to you guys shortly. That's the huddle sixteen away from six.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
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Speaker 3 (58:01):
Back on the huddle, we have Tim Wilson and Craig Grinnie.
Tell me, are you worried about the grade inflation where
the universities are giving out too many a's.

Speaker 10 (58:08):
Yeah, you know, we should stop calling it great inflation.
We should call it greate erosion because that's exactly what
it is if the number of a's is surging. Look,
we at Maxim Institute, we do a leadership academy and
we do it over summer. It's twelve weeks and we
often hear and these are these young people who are
at university or have just been at university. They'll often
say I learn more in that twelve weeks than I

(58:29):
did in four years at varsity. So there's a bigger
issue here, no question.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
What do you think, Craig, I think it's a real
issue to be looked at.

Speaker 11 (58:38):
I mean, the report suggested something that's been happening internationally.
It's clearly not something that we want to see in
New Zealand. But the e's part, I agree there's a
real challenge there. But if I look at twenty twelve,
A and b's together were seventy one percent of grades.
If I got to twenty twenty four, it was seventy
three percent of grades. So it is something too worried about,

(59:02):
and it is something we obviously cleaning to keep in
check permanently. But I don't know if it's necessarily to
the same extent to you in New Zealand, then it
is perhaps obviously well, what do you.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
Do tim as a parent, right, or even as a
young person who really is like really properly smart and
you want to have that recognized and not just be
kind of lumped in with all the other duds who've
got a's. Do you do you do you go off
to some elite Is that your only option now? To
go off to some ivy League university?

Speaker 2 (59:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (59:31):
That's look and that's I think what the researcher you
had on was that some universities are going to differentiate themselves,
because he seemed to think there were universities that were
more culpable in this area and others that that people
would know about. Now, I don't know about that, but
I suspect that might be an approach that some universities
will take. Guess what if you don't we actually fail

(59:53):
people at this university. I think a lot of parents
would go, oh, actually failure is quite productive.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
Yeah, I think so too, now, Craig, I mean, I mean,
I ask you this question with hesitation because I feel
like the answer is going to be no. But do
you rate Wayne Brown?

Speaker 10 (01:00:08):
Wayne?

Speaker 11 (01:00:08):
Wayne is a political character. He is a man who
is very successfully taken over Auckland Council. So you know,
he was a very competent advisor when he was working
for the sixth year of government on the Upper North
Island Supply Chaine study. And that's my main dealing I've
ever had. So that's that's the best knowledge I have

(01:00:29):
of him to do.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
As as as now an aspiring politician yourself, is there
anything that you could learn from him? Do you reckon?
You could you know, use a few Wayne Brown tricks?

Speaker 11 (01:00:39):
Well, one of the things I wouldn't One of the
things I might not take away from him him is
his desire to shout free beer in a public meeting.
I'm not sure that's necessarily turning the temperature down or
helping with the you know, the niceties of diplomatic debate
and something that's particularly challenging issue. So I might not
take that from him, But he's clear speaking in elsewhere,

(01:01:03):
and certainly his popularity I would yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
I mean, I don't know if you remembered him, but
when he first started, we all thought he was going
to be rubbish and he's not at all.

Speaker 10 (01:01:11):
Oh, absolutely, And you know what was the margin of
his over one hundred thousand. He won by what's clear.
What's clear is that this is the end of focus
group politics. We ran this through the focus group, and
we think you should message it this way. No people
and the word you used for this authenticity. Now my
question though the Wayne Brown has you know, if you're saying, oh,

(01:01:31):
Laxel and Hipkins are like me, is that really our
message for you?

Speaker 7 (01:01:35):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
Well, no, I know what he was trying to say
is they should be they're trying to well, they're trying
to be like me, and I would say yeah, probably,
I mean I think it would help. Now, okay, Craig,
have you got I mean you're an economist, you'll be
fully into the black Fried ideals. What have you managed
to secure?

Speaker 11 (01:01:50):
I haven't secured anything. I've been so busy recently. Have
done lesterally zero Christmas shopping, which is not great news
to my family, especially seeing is most of them live
in the UK and traveling time was enormous, so.

Speaker 10 (01:02:02):
I've done very little of it.

Speaker 11 (01:02:04):
I do very little internet shopping anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
What why do you not have the internet on your phone?

Speaker 11 (01:02:10):
I do have the Internet on my phone. But I'd
like to figure you for saying this. I'm a big
fan of ninja shopping.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
That's that I get.

Speaker 11 (01:02:17):
I go out to the shop, I get what you
need and I leave.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
About.

Speaker 10 (01:02:22):
It's bloke shopping, Craig, there's bloat shopping. I just go
for one thing and we're not going to muck around
walking around.

Speaker 11 (01:02:29):
Exactly ninja shopping in out, nobody noticed. It's all done.

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
Yeah, but I mean obviously, but you did pay. I
just need to clarify that, did you do you are?
You're doing the ninja shopping you're doing any of the
online shopping for the Black Friday.

Speaker 10 (01:02:42):
Okay, so Zeru Brazerkos. It's the nerve gun you have
when you're not having a nerf gun. You can shoot
twenty seven meters away eight darts and seconds even more
if you use some more rounds, and it's about half
price in sane amounts of darts. That's what the kids
are going to love.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
You are the father of four boys, aren't you.

Speaker 10 (01:03:02):
Yeah, yeah, I'm standing. I'm standing in in neurse gun
bullets as I speak. I think that the neurth gun
bullets are rising above my throat. I think you're losing touch.
I can't, I can't hear you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
All right, off you go, you two, Thanks very much,
appreciate it. Tim Wilson, Maximumsitute. Craig Renny, Labor candidate for
Wellington Bays Labor candidate. Like we said, eight away from six, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
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Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
Heather, perhaps Chris Bishop left his office to go to
the loo. I don't think. I don't think Chris Bishop
left his office to go That was quite funny. Actually,
did you want to do you want to hear it again.
This is where Chris Bishop left his office because he
didn't want to have to answer the question that Thomas
was asking him, which was whether he was going to
lose his seat on current polling.

Speaker 19 (01:03:49):
I think, I think, I think, I think, I think
we've dealt with all the ephemeral relative to the.

Speaker 7 (01:03:55):
One of them.

Speaker 19 (01:03:56):
I've got a three fifteen to talk about resource management reforms,
so we got to get to that. Hey, thank you
very much everyone.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
That is quite funny when you leave your own office
to end the meeting and then have to come back
to your own office for the next meeting, because I think,
I think, I think, I think, poor old bitch. I mean,
this is like way too much pressure.

Speaker 5 (01:04:14):
I think.

Speaker 21 (01:04:14):
If the texture is right, and he was leaving to
go to the bathroom, it's an interesting way to say it,
to say, oh, sorry, I've just got a three fifteen because.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
As we know, as we know, you're right, as we know,
and we've discussed this on the show. If you want
to end a conversation, the bathroom is the legit excuse, right,
and you can go new clear where if the person
doesn't get the hint, because look, there are humans out
there who you can try to break up. Then they
just don't. You just go, I have diarrhea, So like
you do not need and you don't need to cover

(01:04:42):
for the toilet.

Speaker 21 (01:04:42):
Like the toilet is the excuse it maybe it acts
like you're going to throw up as well. Yeah, will
get right out of your way.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
In the bush needed to go to the loo. He
just needed to say he goes, he need to go,
so he didn't need to go to the loo. So anyway,
it's a really long winded way of going. No, Chris
Bishop was just trying to stop answering questions from Thomas Coglin. Hither.
I'm a professor and the reason we have so many
A grades is because we get pinged by the administration
and the funding for failing students. What that means is
we have to give sees to people who should actually fail,

(01:05:09):
and that then has a ratchet effect. Heather University credibility
has been through the floor for the last five years,
if not more. It is known in employment circles not
to trust the grades. Thank you John for that. Apparently
what employers are doing now is if you rock in
from you know, Otago Auckland, the university that's not actually
a university, which is the aut Auckland University of Technology

(01:05:31):
University or Lincoln or one of these ones. You're rocking
with your Hey, look I got an a. They go, yeah, whatever, mate,
And they're apparently doing tests now they are actually employers
are doing their own tests to see if you're actually
smart or if you're not, because the university doesn't guarantee
that at all, does it. Anyway? Listen, we'll talk to Dion,
a regional counselor from down in christ Church and get

(01:05:52):
his take on the government scrap in the regional councils.
He's with us next, Oh, what's up?

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
What's down?

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
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Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
Even in coming up in the next hour from Terra's
lowood its milk price forecast, we'll have Jamie mckaye talk
us through that. Paul Bloxham on what kind of recovery
he thinks we're actually going to see next year, and
of course what the size of the cut will be
tomorrow and then end of Brady will do the UK
for you seven past six. Now, regional councils will be
going the way of the dinosaur under the government's RMA changes. Instead,
their consenting powers will shift to new combined territory boards

(01:06:41):
made up of mayors from the affected region. Dion Swiggs
is the chair of the Canterbury Regional Council and chair
of our local government New Zealand Regional and he's with us. Hi, Dion, Hey,
good ey, Heather, how are you very well? Thank you?
What do you make of this announcement.

Speaker 23 (01:06:53):
Yes, it's definitely the it's definitely come out and it's you.
We're saying that it's the biggest change to local government
since the nineteen eighty nine reforms, so it is massive.
It's a big change.

Speaker 7 (01:07:03):
You like it.

Speaker 23 (01:07:06):
We've only seen it for the last hour, so it's
hard to say whether we like it or not. But
it is definitely going to change how regional councils work
in the country and that's going to be a big
change for a lot of people who have just been
elected into those roles.

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
Do you think that a board of mayors will do
a better job than elected councilors.

Speaker 23 (01:07:26):
Mayors are elected for a different mandate meors at the
moment who are elected because they want to get into
their communities and do that work that they're doing in
those communities. They were not expecting to then also be
on the board of a regional council in two years time.
So I do think that there might be some mayors
will go great, yep, we want to get our hands
on that regional council. There will be others who will go,

(01:07:47):
this is not my jam. I don't want to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
What are you thinking, Do you think they'll do a
better job.

Speaker 23 (01:07:54):
The regional councilors have been elected to do the work
that they want to do, and it's the staff that
actually deliver the work. And I think that's the critical
part here, is that the staff are actually the ones
that are delivering the work. Regional councils are just a
governance layer of doing the work. But we are elected
because we do want to do the work of a
regional council. A mayor has been elected because they want

(01:08:16):
to do the work of a district council.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
Okay, so it's part is obviously the first. I mean,
you have to see it in its context. It's the
first step in what is going to be a lot
more change, and ultimately what it's going to end up
with is you can have the mayors doing this kind
of regional work and the planning is where things are
really going to change and there's going to be a
lot more I want to say standardization. I suppose of
the plans that we have across the country. Are you

(01:08:39):
on board with that?

Speaker 14 (01:08:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (01:08:40):
Absolutely, And I think what we do have is that
we as a country have got into a bit of
a muddle around Resource Management Act or the different layers
that are in that. So it's not necessarily regional councils
who have been the handbrake on let's say the economy
or getting things done. It's the system that we operate
that's been the problem. And the last government recognized that

(01:09:02):
they wanted to do rm A reform. This government has
also now repealed that last one and doing another round
of rm A reform. The rubber is going to hit
the road around the r and ma A reform. But
what we've also got around what the work of regional
councils is we've got a whole lot of other functions
that aren't just RMA that we need to deliver. This
is public transport. There's biosecurity. That's that's crosses borders and

(01:09:24):
crosses boundaries of territorial authorities. We've got flood resilience and
we've got massive amounts of flooding problems that we have
across the country with the ever increasing weather impacts that
we have. These are regional functions that are absolutely critical
and they must stay at regional levels so that you
can get that economy of scale and get.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
That work done.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
Deon, is it fair you sound a bit shocks by
what's been announced today?

Speaker 10 (01:09:46):
Is that fair?

Speaker 22 (01:09:48):
Well?

Speaker 17 (01:09:48):
Yes, it is, it is, it is.

Speaker 23 (01:09:50):
It's fair to say that I think a lot of
people are probably going to be a little bit shocked.
We've only just received this information in the last hour.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
All right, Dion has always appreciate your time, mate. That's deon' sweath,
Chair of Canterbury Regional Council, also chair of our local
government New Zealand Regional Heather do for see Alan, Yeah,
Simon's not going to be on the show today. This
is Simon Watts. Obviously I want Simon on the show today,
but to be fair, I'm going to cut Simon some
slack because it is a big day for him because
he is in cohotes with Chris Bishop. Was both him

(01:10:19):
and Chris Bishop who were announcing the stuff today because
he's the local government minister. But I'm not going to
give up on getting Simon Watts on the show. So
if Simon thinks that he declined US today and that'll
be the end of that, and there's not going to
be the end of that. I have now bought a
dog with a bone on this thing, because if you
listen to Nicola Willis on the show last night, you
will be as confused as I am.

Speaker 24 (01:10:38):
She says, the reality is we're not going to be
buying overseas carbon credits. That won't see how we do it.
We're telling me billions of dollars I.

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
Guess, so we're not sending billions of dollars off shore.
But it doesn't explain. I'm so confused because Simon told
Newsroom that in fact he was setting up the mechanisms
and the deals in order to be able to buy
the offshore carbon credits and in order to send the
money overseas.

Speaker 24 (01:11:00):
So she says, Simon Watts is the right person to
characterize his comments and give you a detailed response on that.
I'm not going to get inside his mind and start
giving you answers. He will have something to say on that,
so I think talk to him about it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:15):
We're going to talk to him about it. Laura, have
you tried again for tomorrow or are you going to
leave it till tomorrow? Yeah, she's already on to it.
The German has already asked again for tomorrow Wednesday, and
then we will ask for Thursday, and then we will
ask for Friday, and then we'll ask for Monday, and
we will just keep going and one day Simon has
to come on the show to talk about something he's
stoked about, and then we'll talk about this. Thirteen past six,

(01:11:38):
It's the Heather.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
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Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
Heather, that's BSRE the weather. It's the weather events causing flooding.
It's the regional councils not clearing the gravel building up.
That is actually a fair point if you remember how
wide all were flooded. Remember and it flooded a couple
of times by memory, and the most recent time that
it flooded wide Word has now launched class action against
hawks Bay Regional Council because they reckon the problem was
the river flooded its banks because the regional Council didn't

(01:12:19):
come and clear the clear the river mouth. So and honestly,
if you go back and look at what Hawks Bay
Regional Council has been up to reweather and the role
that it played in cyclone. Gabrielle, I think you will
be very happy to see the back of hawks Bay
Regional Council for the people of hawks Bay would be
saving them from a lot of misery caused by that
particular council. Not going to cry any tears over that.

(01:12:40):
Sixteen past six.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
The Rural Report on hither due to see Allen Drive.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
Jamie McKay hosts the Countries with us.

Speaker 7 (01:12:48):
Hello, Jamie, can I Heather and I can tell you
it'll be some farmers in Canterbury who might be doing
some assaults at the moment. It means for demise of ECAM.
They haven't exactly been farmer friendly. And I must say,
as someone who's domiciled in Dunedin, what the hell the
Otago Regional Council is doing running the buses that chug
around Dunedin mostly empty? I might add, instead of the

(01:13:11):
needon city counts or bog you know, it begs It
begs the question who should actually be running them? And
I think I just hope they don't replace this bureaucracy
with a worse one. But anyhow, a farewell to the
regional council. Shane Jones said he'd do it, and he has.

Speaker 3 (01:13:30):
And don't let the door hit you on the way out,
we say to them, Yeah, okay, Fonterra. So this was expected,
wasn't it.

Speaker 7 (01:13:37):
Yep, farming's worst kept secret is out.

Speaker 17 (01:13:39):
It's out a week early.

Speaker 7 (01:13:40):
They were going to come out with their quarterly update
early next week. But I spoke to Myles Hurrel on
my show today and he said, look, we did the
numbers over the weekend. If you've got the information, we
don't know you're sitting on it.

Speaker 17 (01:13:51):
We mars will get out there and tell the farmers.

Speaker 7 (01:13:53):
So that midpoint is now nine dollars fifty. The range
is nine to ten, but still begs the question why
they started And I threw this at Miles and he
duck for cover a wee bit. But they started the
season at eight dollars to eleven, and logic would suggest
the midpoint there is nine to fifty, but they chose
a mid point of ten, remembering they paid ten dollars

(01:14:15):
sixteen last season. Also interestingly, today's cut is the first
mid season cut Fonterra has made to its forecasts since
twenty three. And that's because we've had a rising plane
of price as whole milk powder. As we all know,
we've had seven drops in a row. It's twenty percent
off its peak back in May. The other problem is

(01:14:37):
when the prices go up, the taps get turned around
turned on, not.

Speaker 17 (01:14:41):
Only here in New Zealand.

Speaker 7 (01:14:43):
New Zealand farmers are about four percent up on production,
but also right around the world where they divert, for
instance in America cheap grain into milk production. Look, as
we said, we knew this was coming. A and Z
cut its forecast to nine sixty five. Recently, the B
and Z went to a nine to fifty. No surprise
at all. It does affect other farmers supplying other dairy

(01:15:05):
companies as well here because the likes of sin Lay
Milk and Westland milk products basically peg what they paid
the farmers to the Fonterra milk price. So if I
can stay at nine to fifty, well, I think we'll
still do okay the Warriors, it might sneak below that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
Yeah, yeah, fair enough. What's going with McDonald's and the
price of beef.

Speaker 7 (01:15:25):
Well, I just came across some numbers and I think
I've got a credit. Are n Z for this story
about McDonald's and how effectively important it is for New
Zealand and especially the beef industry. Ninety percent of their
menu and their one hundred and seventy restaurants around the
country is sourced from local farms.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
That's good.

Speaker 7 (01:15:45):
It's spending two hundred and thirty five million here in
New Zealand on local produce beef cheese buns, but it
also exports them. So last year, the American owned franchise
or subsidiary use six thousand tons of locally sourced beef
for sale here domestically, but it exported thirty thousand tons

(01:16:08):
of it making up. Wait for this, ten percent of
New Zealand's total beef exports responsible for what McDonald's are doing.
They serve. Here's an interesting stat for your Heather. Seventy
million people a day plus Donald Trump, and they use
two percent of the world's beef. And the burgers or
the beef's twenty percent more expensive than it was at

(01:16:28):
the start of the year. If you want to know
what that means for your cheeseburger, the patty that goes
inside your cheeseburger is now ten cents more expensive than
it was at the start.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
Of the year.

Speaker 3 (01:16:40):
Now it all adds up. I suppose, Hey, how rich
is Sue's Redmain. What do you think about that?

Speaker 7 (01:16:45):
Oh right, I was just about to go and grab dinner,
he Heather.

Speaker 17 (01:16:48):
I thought we were over, But Sue's Red Mate be up.

Speaker 7 (01:16:51):
Well, Sue's Redmain.

Speaker 3 (01:16:53):
Yes, sorry, four million dollars worth of property. That's not
doing too bad. It's a life goal, isn't it.

Speaker 7 (01:16:58):
Yeah, but we've got to wear with We're but careful
with this one. The Herald did a report on this
one over the weekend or something like that. So sus
is topping the rich list. Christopher Luckson's second, Barbara Kuruger,
another farmer, is in third place, and I beg I
threw the question out there is Parliament returning to the
sixties the domain for rich farmers? Well, I don't think

(01:17:19):
it really is, because Andrew Hoggard was also up on
the Rich list, but he said when they worked out
the value of his farm, they forgot to take off
the half that his mum and dad owed, and they
also forgot to take off all the money he owed
to the bank. I don't know SUS's personal farming operation,
and it's a very good one. They do some great
work where they're farming. They're a very good farming operation.

(01:17:42):
Now they may well be debt free and have a
farm worth eighteen million, but I suspect that may not
be the case. All we can say is that Hogart
is richer than win Winston's eleventh on the list. Willie
Jackson's the top labor guy at seventeenth and surprise, surprise,
no Green or the Party. Mari MP's Make Our Top twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:18:02):
Doesn't surprise anyone. Jamie, thanks very much, really appreciate it.
Jamie mckaie, Hosts of the Country. Yeah, I saw this
come out, Yesterda Sugzari's main who you are if you like,
I don't know who that is. That's because she's the
first term MP and she's the MP FO Rang it's
a kay, but she owns a she's she's the wealthiest
in terms of property, twenty four million dollars worth of property.
And I thought, I know what you're doing here, Harold,
trying to wind them up, aren't you. I'm not wound up.

(01:18:23):
I thought good on her, Good on her six twenty two.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
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Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
Here the Hawks Bay Regional Council is useless. It's time
to say tatar as a person impacted badly in the cyclone.
They are useless. Mate, we can see that. Okay. Everybody's
doing the numbers on Razors season right, in fact raises
last two seasons, and I have to say, if you
actually look at the statistically, it is not looking good
for him. So when you look at the last season,

(01:19:04):
this is Mark Hinton who's crunched his numbers right. The
last season, he's won ten ten tests and he's lost three,
and it kind of looks okay. Over the last two
years he's had he's got twenty wins seven losses. Still
kind of looks okay. But this is where Mark Hinton's
crunching of the numbers actually starts to get interesting. If
you count, like, get rid of the what he calls
the road kill sides, right, these are the sides that

(01:19:25):
obviously the All Blacks are going to beat them and
absolutely thrash them. Don't worry about them, nobody cares about them.
Just count the matches that involve the top six nations
in the world, the actual proper competition. Over the last
two seasons, Raises only had eleven decent wins and he's
had seven losses. That's a sixty one percent hit rate.
That's not great. Twenty six past six.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
Fun, thank you well, all right, everyone's doing the concert films.
Taylor Swift's done with the Eras tour. She got two
hundred and fifty million dollars at the box office. Yon says,
done one with a Renaissance tour. One of the best
concert films of all time. Apparently Billie Eilish wants a
slice of that success. She played a trailer exclusively to
the fans who came to the final night of her tour,

(01:20:17):
and it's about a concert film obviously. Now, the thing
that's interesting about this is that she's not doing this
by herself. She has got in as in a co director.
It's Billie Eilish as a co director. The other co
director is James Cameron, as in yes, we can call
him a KEYWI now can't we? I mean, you know
why not? It's got a New Zealand passport, So the
key we James Cameron is a co director. He has

(01:20:39):
never done work on a concert film before, but this
is where his expertise might come in. The thing is
in three D. Now we can have a debate about
whether you should bother watching, you know, a concert film
in three D or just go and watch it in
three D in real life at the concert. But if
you've got a diehard Billie Eilish fam in your fan
and your family, you are going to want to mark
the calendar for March twentieth next year because you're going

(01:21:00):
to be at the movies. We see little weird glasses on.
Aren't you keep a look out for that one?

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:21:05):
Paul Bloxham is going to be with us next. Now
what we want to talk to him about is obviously
the size of the cut tomorrow, but the size of
the recovery next year, because depending on who you talk to,
we're either going all guns blazing next year or it's
going to be just a little bit stink better than
now but still a bit stink. So Paul Bloxham on that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
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Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
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Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
Wender Brady's going to be us out of the UK
and ten minutes time head I thought you might find
this funny. Staff members flying totaling as a christ Church
six am flight canceled this morning due to issues. Rebooked
for Wednesday. That's tomorrow, told just now due to whether
event tomorrow flight is being canceled. She has to be
in Christ's Church for work. What can we do but
never book with air in New Zealand If we need

(01:22:21):
to be somewhere around time, it's less than useless. Yep,
tell you what I mean. Can I just make this
point that I think that the ongoing because this is
not the first text I've had about in New Zealand,
and no I haven't even mentioned it. I'm still getting texts,
I'm still fielding texts. Just the level of discussion that
continues shows you the deep angst we're feeling about in
New Zealand. And in New Zealand, better get on to this,

(01:22:43):
because this is what you get before you lose your customers.
If they don't get onto it, they're going to find
us next year flying the Orange one and then going
how do we get them back? And you never do
twenty four away from seven Paul Bloxham, HSBC Chief Economists
with us right now, Hey, Paul.

Speaker 12 (01:22:58):
Good eight.

Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
So tomorrow twenty five basis point cut. That's it, isn't it?

Speaker 22 (01:23:03):
I think?

Speaker 4 (01:23:03):
So.

Speaker 12 (01:23:04):
I think they're going to cut by twenty five basis
points tomorrow.

Speaker 13 (01:23:06):
I think the key thing to watch out for is
what they have to say about it and where they're at.
And I think they're going to still they're going to
cut by twenty five and I think they're going to
say that they will still leave the door open to
the possibility that they might have to cut a little
bit further yet, So I think it's still the case
that they're focused on the weak growth story rather than
worried about inflation pressures at this point, and so, you know,

(01:23:29):
leaving the door open trying to get the economy to
get going, particularly ahead of you know, they've got a
three month gap now until the next meeting until February,
and of course the new governor that's arriving at the
rbnzet as well, So trying to get the economy to
turn around ahead of that.

Speaker 12 (01:23:43):
I think that's what the aim will be.

Speaker 3 (01:23:46):
What are you expecting for the economy next year, Paul,
because I know that we're I mean, I saw your
last production, correct me if I'm wrong, about two and
a half percent or thereabouts, and the other banks according
around about that as well, up to three percent. But
the numbers that we're seeing in the dart so that
we're seeing just makes you feel a bit nervous, doesn't it.

Speaker 12 (01:24:03):
Yeah, it does make me nervous.

Speaker 13 (01:24:05):
We do have a number which is a bit over
two percent in terms of growth running into next twenty
twenty six and I think you know that the challenge
has been that it has taken longer for growth to
pick up than we expected. We expected this year might
be a bit better than it was in the end,
but it has been weaker. But I think the two
key mechanisms are still there that should get things going.
The first one is interest rates have come down a

(01:24:27):
long way, and of course they've come down even further
and as I say, likely to come down a bit
further tomorrow again, and that should start to feed through
to a bit more consumer spending and some support for
the housing market as well. And the other one is
that dairy and meat prices have been very high, so
the agricultural sector has done very well and those payouts
are starting to arrive and that income is starting to

(01:24:47):
slosh into the economy. And although it's mostly in the
South Island, I think some of it will start to
feed through to the broader economy as we run through
next year as well. I don't think this is a
strong growth profile, but this is a recovery after to
what will turn to have been two quite.

Speaker 12 (01:25:01):
Weak years in terms of New Zealand's economic performance.

Speaker 13 (01:25:04):
So two years of economic weakness followed by a modest
recovery is what we've got factored in to the story.

Speaker 3 (01:25:11):
Have you faxed in the possibility that everything that's freeing
up on account of the official cash rate coming down
is simply being hoovered up by increasing rates, so actually
you don't end up with that much disposable cash.

Speaker 12 (01:25:24):
I think this is still feeding through.

Speaker 13 (01:25:25):
I think the main thing that we've seen that's been
quite slow is people fixing shifting off their fixed rate
mortgages and rolling over those fixed rate mortgages to lower rates,
and that's been one of the things that has slowed
things down. I think, you know, if you sort of
look back and think about what else has held up
the recovery, I mean, I think it's taken you know,
the fact that you had such a big housing cycle,

(01:25:46):
house price cycle, you know, a forty five percent rise
in house prices through the pandemic and then sort of
an almost twenty percent decline in house prices, so a
lot more I think people you know had bought in
and are still facing house prices that are low lower
than when they purchased them.

Speaker 12 (01:26:01):
And I think that's probably been something.

Speaker 13 (01:26:03):
That's that's been weighing on New Zealand more than we
anticipated earlier in the year, So that's that's one of
the features. And then and then as a consequence of
the weaker economy, of course, you've seen this outward migration
story which is weighed on population growth. So there's quite
a bit that has to turn around. But I think
the big mechanisms for getting it to turn around are there.

(01:26:24):
They're working, you know, with lot of interest rates and
as I say, high high commodity price.

Speaker 3 (01:26:28):
Yeah, I mean, I feel like I should clarify what
I meant by rates was council rates, because obviously we
could talk about any kind of rates, but that I
feel like that sucked up a heap of our disposable income.
But I mean, you'll bang on. You know, the wealth
effect will be part of it. So when you take
everything into account, are you still sticking with your projection
of two and a half.

Speaker 13 (01:26:46):
So I was a bit over two percent running into
next year. And as I say, I think the main
way I'd characterize it is after having last year where
growth GDP went backwards, and this year where on average.

Speaker 12 (01:26:58):
It's not going to have grown very much at all.

Speaker 13 (01:27:01):
You know, if two years of weakness are followed by
a growth of a bit over two percent. That's you know,
that's still that's just a modest recovery. When you think
about it, it's not a strong picture. It's just a
it's just a recovery.

Speaker 3 (01:27:13):
Yeah, brilliant. Hey listen, Paul, always brilliant to talk to you,
and we'll talk to you again very shortly. That's Paul Bloxham,
HSBC's chief economist, twenty away from.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
Seven Heather duper c Ellen.

Speaker 3 (01:27:22):
Yeah, gosh On Council rates lord above Wellington City Council.
So there's good news and there's bad news. Hey, I'm
going to I'm going to front load us to the
bad news. The bad news is Wellington rate payers, you
have been paying a whole bunch of people you shouldn't
have been paying. It turns out Wellington City Council has
about three hundred and thirty staff more than it actually needs.

(01:27:43):
It's running. This is Wellington City Council. It is running
per one thousand households twenty three point three full time employees.
In comparison, the average territorial council is only running seventeen.
So Wellington's running twenty three point three per one thousand households.
The average one is seventeen. Way too many stuff going
on there. If they cut the jobs. This is a

(01:28:03):
report that's just been commissioned by and it's been conducted
by Deloit but carried out by Deloit. If they cut
the jobs down to the appropriate number, they could possibly
save up to thirty seven million dollars. At Wellington City
Council and the workforce there is about eighteen hundred people.
I mean, eighteen hundred people is enormous anyway. It just
goes to show that three hundred and thirty is a
giant chunk of eighteen hundred people. If they just cut

(01:28:25):
the managers they think they don't need, so not even
people who actually do the work, just the managers who
are managing the people who do the work. They may
have to cut as many as one hundred and seventeen managers.
Now the good news. So the bad news is that's
why your rate sweed up by as much as they did.
The good news is it looks like the guy who's
running the place, the new chap who's come in from
somewhere in Britain. I can't remember exactly where he's from,

(01:28:47):
but it sounds like he's got the right idea here
because he's come in, he's commissioned this report by Deloitte
and this is what it's found. He's made this public,
so I would expect that you should see some actions.
And it's been reported as there will be job losses
in Wellington City Council and you think you'd hope so
so I think you guys might be in Wellington just
turning a corner and heading off in the right direction.
Because between this guy and Andrew Little dealing with Golden

(01:29:10):
Mile and all the cost blowouts by Tory, I think
we're onto something here.

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:29:15):
There is a piece in the spinoff that has caused
me to think a lot about this today. And the
headline is why are New Zealand driver is so agro?
Now New Zealand drivers are agro? Like, we can be
honest about this. I mean I raised this with the
team before and then Sam the producer was it was
regaling us with the time on Friday where he got
cut off by a car and he was agro with

(01:29:37):
that car. That car incidentally turned out to be Tyler,
as in Matton Tyler. So they sorted that out between themselves.
But everybody's got an agro story, don't they anyway, the
chap has written the piece for the spinoffs, has I
think come close to maybe explaining this. I still feel
like there's something missing in it, Like there's probably some
sort of like you know, collective national trait that we

(01:29:57):
need to deal with about, you know, like bottling up
our emotions and gunny sacking everything and then exploding. I
feel like that's the thing that we do. But I
think he's got gone to something here. So as the
argument is, basically, we do not enjoy driving. It is
not a pleasure for us, right because we have the
highest rate of car ownership in the world. Our cars
and our cities and our towns and our suburbs are

(01:30:19):
all designed basically around cars.

Speaker 17 (01:30:21):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:30:22):
You can barely walk anywhere that you need to go to.
You probably have to drive to the mall, drive to
the supermarket. It's hard to cycle because it's not safe,
blah blah blah. So everybody ends up in cars, and
then you end up jamming up the roads because we're
all in the cars, and then you can't get to
the place that you need to go to fast because
you know, Tyler's sitting in front of you and cutting
you off and making you angry, so the whole thing
just becomes an incredibly stressful experience instead of being pleasurable.

(01:30:44):
And that's why we're agro. Anyway, I feel like that
goes some way to explaining it. I feel like there's
just that we need to do a deep dive and
psychological deep dive into what's going on in this country.
But we need to also just tone it down, don't we.
Sixteen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:31:00):
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Speaker 3 (01:31:12):
I'm missing the rock star economy, Grant. We all are
missing the rock star economy.

Speaker 2 (01:31:17):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (01:31:17):
By the way, apparently the reason that all the flights
are being canceled and stuff has got nothing to do
with it. Well, it's always got something to do with enusum,
but it's actually largely due to the esh from White Island,
because that little thing is playing with us again. Thirteen
away from seven into Brady UK corresponds with us, Hello, Enda.

Speaker 8 (01:31:33):
Hey, Heather, great to speak to you again.

Speaker 3 (01:31:35):
So you're suffering your own brain drain apparently.

Speaker 8 (01:31:39):
Yes, and this is all self inflicted. So an awful
lot of very rich people are leaving the UK. The
big story of the week is it's budget day tomorrow
and much of what is coming has been trailed already.
So more taxes on big houses, taxing electric vehicles per
mile driven. Basically, Rachel reaves, the Chancellor needs to get

(01:32:00):
serious money in a black hole of anywhere between forty
and sixty billion Z dollars in public spending, depending on
which expert you speak to. That's a hell of a
black hole to fill. And what's happening is inheritance tax
will change as well. The super rich are getting very,
very worried about this and they are leaving in their droves.

Speaker 10 (01:32:24):
Now.

Speaker 8 (01:32:24):
Over the weekend we found out that a guy called
Lakshmi Mittal, Britain's richest man, worth somewhere in the region
of about thirty to forty billion en zed he has
had enough and he's bailing out too. So it's left
to the rest of us to pay our taxes.

Speaker 3 (01:32:41):
Now, what do you expect is going to happen in
Budget Day?

Speaker 8 (01:32:46):
I think it'll be a tough budget. All the mood
music from labor people have been speaking to this week
is that this will be a budget that helps the
working families. But I'd be curious to see who they're
taxing is working families. So they're saying that if you
were anything above forty pounds eighty kN z a year,
you're not a working person anymore, that you're somehow entering

(01:33:10):
the elite band. And I if that's true, an awful
lot of people don't feel it. I can tell you
that much. We've still got inflation running at three point
six percent here. I think it's going to be a
tough budget. But Rachel Reeves and Keir Starmer they need
to get this right because elections are looming in May.
On the local front.

Speaker 3 (01:33:27):
Yeah, So on the text thing, what are you expecting?

Speaker 8 (01:33:31):
Well, as I said, I think the strange ones are
taxing electric vehicles per mile driven. I mean, we already
pay road tax, so why should I not be taxed
on a petrol vehicle I have? And my neighbor has
an EV and he must pay tax per mile driven.
I can see legal challenges on that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:49):
Perhaps.

Speaker 8 (01:33:50):
I think people living in very big houses will be
going up a council tax band and paying more. I
don't think they're going to play with income tax, because
that was part of the manifesto they came in on,
that they would not raise income tax. But the phrase,
and this is hilarious. We even heard a radio show
last week with a Swedish author who had written a
book called Smorgas Board about dat Swedish recipes and basically

(01:34:15):
the phrase being used is a small gas board of
small tax rises. So they're going to hit us everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:34:22):
Basically.

Speaker 3 (01:34:23):
Goodness. Yeah, And so tell me does this make Kyastama's
position more precarious or not?

Speaker 8 (01:34:30):
So what you read on that, I think he's toast
From everything I've been hearing around Westminster last ten days.
There are moves afoot keep an eye out for the
Health secretary Wez streeting and the feeling is even The
Times newspaper this morning is saying that inside the Labor
Party they're having a conversation now whether they have a
coronation for Wes. That basically one candidate is put up

(01:34:54):
and he ousts Armer, probably after the male local elections,
which are likely to be disastrous for Labor Reformer doing
so well at the moment, I think what's likely to
happen is Starmer will get past Christmas, that Labor will
limp towards these local elections, lose badly, and then there
will be the ousting of Starmer because smart people in

(01:35:14):
the Labor Party will think we need a politician back in.
God help him. He's a very decent man. He's a
very intelligent man. But he is not a politician.

Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
He is a lawyer.

Speaker 8 (01:35:24):
And I think in the world we live in now
where Nigel Farage just seems to be waltzing through interviews
and going up in the polls every day, he can
say anything and the most outrageous things and people are
just nodding and agreeing with it, I find it very
very strange.

Speaker 3 (01:35:38):
Yeah, Hei, thank you very much. Inda, really appreciate your time.
Mate into Brady UK corisponding, you know how I was
saying before, Wayne Brown is really good at what he does.
Wayne Brown's got the same thing that Nigel Farage has got,
that Boris Johnson has got, that Margaret Fetcher head, that
Donald Trump has got, that John keyhead, that Helen clarkhead.
It's all the into city. It's the same thing. All

(01:36:00):
you need to do is be yourself and people can
decide if they like you or not. They probably respect you,
but it's the kirst Arma doesn't have it. We go
as far as saying Chris Luxon hasn't got it, Heather,
not just agro on roads, but on the cricket pitches
and schools and hospitals and homes. We're just becoming whiny
and angry about everything, Heather. I disagree with you on
the driving. My wife and I enjoy driving. Our cars

(01:36:21):
was sixty plus and we just work around these other
dicks on the road. Great show is always thank you
eight away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:36:29):
It's the Heather too for see Alan Drive Full Show
podcast on iHeartRadio powered by News Talk ZB either.

Speaker 3 (01:36:37):
No wonder New Zealand drivers are agro too many or
untrained and competent drivers not indicating refusing to drive at
or near the speed limit, hogging the right motorway lane
while driving slow, don't give way, campmache like I zip
on their damn phones. Somebody's somebody's No.

Speaker 21 (01:36:52):
I don't think that was the Texter who said they
enjoy driving.

Speaker 3 (01:36:54):
I'll just have before.

Speaker 21 (01:36:54):
I think it was a different text.

Speaker 3 (01:36:55):
No, that's the text to sitting behind them. Yeah, they're
not happy about that one. Hey, I read this thing
today and I thought, Jay, is that is my worst nightmare?
Is this your worst nightmare? There was a lady in
Thailand who died and they chucked her in the coffin
and like she she'd stop breathing two days ago, right,
she'd been sick for ages, she'd been bedridden for ages,

(01:37:17):
and then she stopped breathing, stopped responding. So her brother
was like, ah, well that's that. Then so chucked her
in the coffin, drove her to the temple. The temple
was just outside of Bangkok. They got her ready, they
were taking her through to the cromation and then ah,
she was knocking from inside the coffin and she was alive.

(01:37:38):
She wasn't dead at all. Is this not your worst nightmare? Anyway?
It's my worst nightmare. It's hideous. And then found what
did you what?

Speaker 21 (01:37:47):
It's from a bookhead of the book of Worst Case Scenarios.
You can find some of the content online and worst
case just if you just look for Google worst case
scenarios directions and had.

Speaker 3 (01:37:56):
So google how to escape your coffin if it's been buried,
and there is like a strategy for how to get.

Speaker 21 (01:38:02):
It step by step instructions for what happens. If this
wouldn't have helped this lady as much though, because this
is fair if you're buried rather than heading for a ferrymatorium.

Speaker 3 (01:38:10):
But it's very stressful. When he was reading it, I
was getting more and more stressed out. So just like
make sure that you're.

Speaker 21 (01:38:16):
So if God forbid it does happen, then you'll probably
just be so stressed you won't remember any of the instruments.

Speaker 3 (01:38:21):
No, no, I'll have time. I'll have time, and what
have you got?

Speaker 21 (01:38:25):
Forever by the Veronicas to play us out Tonight. The
Veronicas are coming back to New Zealand. They'll be playing
two shows at Urban Jungle Festival, which is going to
be happening in Auckland and Victoria Park on the fourteenth
of March, and christ Church in six to seven. That
bit of the red Zone. They've opened up for gigs
that'll be on March the twenty first. Pretty decent support
lineup as well, David Dallas and Ricky Reid, some local

(01:38:46):
stars will be playing and so drum and bass as well,
IRA Diagnostics, bish Is Gwine should be good.

Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
Cool.

Speaker 3 (01:38:53):
Thank you for that and we'll see you tomorrow look
after yourself. This will zip.

Speaker 2 (01:39:17):
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Speaker 1 (01:39:21):
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