Full Show Podcast: 26 May 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Digging through the spin spins to find the real story.
Egoring it's Heather Dupacy Eland drive with one New Zealand
let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show. Coming up today.
Nelson's getting a new hospital buildings some of them though,
I get this modular and transportable, which just sounds like prefabs,
doesn't it. We'll talk to the Health minister about that.
Brad Olsen on whether there really is a budget hole.
And Marilyn Wearing, former National Party MP on the People's
Select Committee that she set up on the pay.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Equity Heather dupericy Ellen.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Now, look, I totally understand that retailers want an urgent
meeting with the Police minister. This is over the revelation
that police aren't bothering to investigate shoplifting below five hundred
bucks anymore. They're clearly worried because what's happened is there's
been a revelation from a memo that was sent to
police staff a couple of months ago saying that from
now on across all districts, cops will no longer investigate

(00:58):
theft and fraud below a suit and value. General theft
anything below two hundred bucks, are not investigating petrol drive offs,
anything below one hundred and fifty bucks, not investigating shoplifting
anything below five hundred bucks. Fraud as in like payway fraud,
online fraud scams anything below one thousand dollars, and then
all other fraud anything below five hundred bucks. Cops aren't

(01:19):
turning up. And that is, by the way, regardless of
whether you have lines of inquiry, right, so, even if
you know who nicked the stuff, even if you can
tell them where the stuff, is not going to investigate. Now,
it's totally understandable for retailers to want an urgent meeting
on this because this has probably come as something of
a shock. But also this is the reality, isn't it.
There are not enough police to deal with all the

(01:41):
crime in the country. We know that. It's not really
even a total surprise when you think about how many
stories you've heard about people who go to the police
tell the police exactly where the bike is, where the
police can go and find it because it's been nicked,
and the police won't go and get it. But this
is going to be a problem, isn't it. When the
thieves start finding out about the stuff because they may
be criminals, but they're not always stupid. They know what

(02:03):
they can get away with scot free, and that is
why so many of them just ended up brazenly pushing
those loaded trolleys out of the supermarkets for a while
there because they knew nothing was going to happen to them.
I suspect the same thing is going to happen once
they figure out what the thresholds are here, and if
this is the reality that we now live in, then
I think the only solution to this is for the
government to get out of the way of retailers helping themselves.

(02:23):
They need to let the supermarkets use that facial facial
recognition technology they want to use so they can stop
people from coming in and committing the crime. They need
to pass the citizens Arrest law to allow the retailers
themselves in the security guards to stop the krim getting
away with the stuff, because frankly, if the cops can't help,
and clearly there aren't enough of them to help. If
the cops can't help, then the retailers need the tools

(02:46):
to be able to help themselves.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
Heather Doupers nine two.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Standard techs fees apply By the way, the cops are
with us. Actually they've just confirmed they'll come and chat
to us about it just after five o'clock. Now our
benefits sanctions, so we've got some new benefits sanctions kicking
in today. They include requiring the beneficiaries to find volunteer work.
But this is not being met with universal approval, including
from the Salvation Army. Paul Barber is the principal social
policy analyst. Then is with us now, Hey.

Speaker 5 (03:11):
Paul, Yeah, Hello, not loving to talk to you, it's
good to talk to you. Well, look, the Salvation Army
ready welcomes people seeking out community work experience, and it
is an important way that people can help and build
up their experience and find ways to get involved in

(03:32):
their community and reconnect and build up skills that may
lead to employment. But we certainly do not support making
that mandatory, making your requirement, making it a sanction. They
don't believe that's the right way to engage with people
who are really already struggling on to find a space
in the employment market.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Why isn't it a good idea?

Speaker 5 (03:54):
Well, there's the starters are already a lot of sanctions available.
People are already the welfare, work and income has a
whole range of sensors of being used heavily. We're talking
about a relatively small group of people within the total
number of people who receiving welfare, and what happens is

(04:16):
those people are often the ones who've got multiple and
complex things going on in their lives and they really
need to be engaged with in a way that actually
can help them deal with those issues. Rather than as
to say, enforcement of volunteering simply doesn't work. You've got
to get beside the people. It sounds, it might sound,

(04:39):
I don't know, sound practical, but in actual fact that's
what we're doing every day in the Salvation Army. But
the people we do get beside is to find the
ways to engage positively to help people change their lives.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
Well, I mean, if I would imagine that what they're
trying to do here the government is basically get people
who have who've just gotten to this rut of lazy,
get them off out of the off the couch, out
of the lounge room, engaging with people and starting to
join a community again. Right, if it's not going to
be volunteer work, how do you do it?

Speaker 5 (05:11):
Well, first of all, I don't think that's necessarily what's
going on. Often it's at some ate, as we find
when we are engaging to support people who are trying
to deal with working income and been told have been
sanctioned or being threatened with sanctions, the fact is that
it's a simple communication issue. The ministry isn't able to
get hold of that person. For instance, often people don't

(05:32):
even have credit on their phones. They may not have
a phone. They struggle to get through on these eight
hundred numbers where they can be left waiting for ages
or they miss return calls.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
I guess I get those are the wrinkles of the situation.
But in some cases we just need kids, young people
especially to get out of the house and have a
shower and go and engage with the world. Right, if
it's not going to be volunteer work, what is it
that gets them.

Speaker 5 (05:58):
Out, Well, certainly volunteer can be part of that. And
what we're saying is let's do that in a constructive way,
not as a punishment, as a sanction, but as just
simply something that Work and Income does with all its clients,
attempting to engage them in a positive pathway towards work

(06:19):
with employers who are willing to take a chance on
people and provide a working situation that recognize this that
sometimes people come in offer of welfare of had a
rough ride and may well struggle to meet.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
You to enter people who take the piss right. You
know there are people who are just sitting there playing
games all day. You know they exist well.

Speaker 5 (06:40):
And of course we are also working with people who
are pretty challenging. Get some people who can be pretty challenging.
But that's not just the point.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
The thing is, you can't rely on old mate who's
nineteen years old and playing grand theft auto to want
to go out and hang out with the Salvation Army
unless you make it compulsory. So how else do you
do it?

Speaker 5 (07:01):
Well, what what is known as works is that positive.
For instance, if I can explain to you, the Ministry
of Social Development has reallocated people away from working on
work that was designed to identify people at risk of
becoming homeless before they became homeless, so prevention work. The

(07:22):
Ministry Social Develement has stopped doing that work to so
that frontline people can be applied to working on sanctions
for people.

Speaker 6 (07:31):
Now.

Speaker 5 (07:31):
So our plea is actually that work identifying trying to
prevent people getting into these situations that work to support
organizations constructively. For instance. You know, as far as I'm aware,
there is no additional resourcing being offered to any of
the NGOs that people are being asked to volunteer with
to be involved in this program. We would be looking

(07:54):
instead for the ministry to take a constructive approach, a
look to fund work that actually helps unwrap the complex
situations that some people are in.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
All Right, Paul, thank you very much. I do appreciate it.
A's Paul Barber, principal social policy analyst at Salvation Army. Trump,
by the way, heads up on what he's up to.
He's chickened out, no surprise on another tariff threat, so
he is now remember how he was like fifty percent
tariff coming at the EU. He's now agreed to delay
that from July the first to July the ninth. And

(08:26):
the reason he's agreed to delay it is because he
and Ursula von Delayan had a very nice call. It's
all it takes quarter pass four.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
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Speaker 3 (08:43):
All Right, it's eighteen pass four and Jason Pine is
with me now sports talk host Ape Pony. Hello, Heather,
do you think Auckland as Auckland ft C were robbed?

Speaker 7 (08:51):
No, No, I don't. I don't think they were, much
as they will protest about the goal that was disallowed,
which would have brought it back to two to two
on aggregate and set ups up for a grandstand finish
and may even who knows, have propelled them into the
Grand Final. My personal view is, and it's not the
commonly held view or necessarily the universal view. I thought

(09:12):
the ball was out. I thought I thought it curved out,
came back and onto the head of Logan Rogerson and
he equalized. You will not convince Steve Coricker of that.
He is absolutely adamant and still today will be absolutely
adamant that that ball didn't cross the line, or at
the very least that not enough examination of it was given.
Facts though Melbourne Victory were better than Auckland f C

(09:34):
on Saturday night, they deserve to win the game, which
I think this is kind of masking in some ways.
They were the better team. They deserve to go through.
Doesn't take away from Auckland f C SUPERB season. But
they'll be very very flat today because they were expecting
this week to be Grand Final week and now it's not.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
Did Melbourne just rise to the occasion little Auckland choke?

Speaker 7 (09:55):
Good question. I think Melbourn victory certainly made it tactically
difficult for Auckland f C. The set up with a
slightly different formation, which and I Walkland f C weren't
expecting they even went so far. You have to give
the other team your team list and a formation an
hour before kickoff and the formation that was handed to
Aukland f C wasn't what they lined up as, so

(10:17):
a bit of you know, you don't have to you know,
you can just say what we changed that night at
the last minute, but it's up to Walkland f C to,
you know, to adjust to that. I think Melvin Victory
a very very good finals team and they showed their experience.
Only finished fifth in the regular season, here the you know,
and here they are in the Grand Final and I
think favorites to win it. So maybe I don't think
it's ay Auckland f C choked. I don't think that's

(10:38):
the right phrase. I just don't think they rose to
the occasion as much as Melbourne Victory did.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
Is the coach being a sore loser?

Speaker 4 (10:46):
Well, it's not.

Speaker 7 (10:48):
A good look, right, He's still complaining about something which
was only one part of the game. I like Steve Corriker.
He's a very emotional, passionate football coach and has clearly
used that to drive his team to heights this season
no one expected. But you know, the more and more
you go on about it, the more it looks as
though you are, you know, just just having a bit

(11:09):
of a winge. And look, I don't I haven't even
seen him congratulate Melbourne Victory on their win, whereas the
previous week the Melbourn Victory coach said, look, Awkwlam were
better than us. They did well, they won that game.
You know, of course he had another game to make
up for it, which Steve Coriker doesn't have. But yeah,
I just kind of think now it's like it's done.
That's top level sport. It's cruel sometimes and not everything

(11:30):
goes your way.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Hey, Pine Inderson, after that lost to the Raiders, is
are the Worries still top four?

Speaker 6 (11:36):
Yep?

Speaker 7 (11:36):
Yep, Well they're still top four on the table, and
I see I think they're still the top four side.
They've proven this year over the last five games which
they've won, that they can close out tight games. Ironically enough,
they couldn't last night another single for margin, this time
in the raiders favor. But I think the NRL is
so even this year. You know, the Panthers are right
down the bottom. The Storm aren't necessarily the force that

(11:57):
they were. The Bulldogs are only two points ahead of
the Warriors. I honestly think they're playing well enough to
still be in that top four conversation. Look, they've got
to bounce back from this, as they have in their
previous losses this season. But yeah, I saw enough, especially
with players, to come back to suggest this is delivery
good team and one that could well challenge the top
four year.

Speaker 8 (12:16):
Now.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
Congratulations on just being such a fantastic commentator at the weekend. Oh,
it's very It's like, listen to him, go he's awesome.
Did they let you in on Sunday for free.

Speaker 7 (12:28):
To the Warriors game? I was actually offered. I was
offered a space in the corporate box actually know the
Go Media ahead of Go Media. Mike Grave on.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
The show on Friday. Yeah, in my show too, so
there you go, Spiga's back.

Speaker 7 (12:43):
But I hate to get a flight home, so I
couldn't make it. But I told him that I would
rain check and go another time.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
Good and you should Piney should enjoy yourself. Thank you
so much. Jason Pine sports talk host back at seven
o'clock this evening, hre that the Salvation Army guy was
just an out and out apologist for workshare because I
know a number of these poor, disadvantaged people. As he
frames them, they all pay their phone bills, by the way,
no problem, we ask. Tax payers usually pay for them.
Do you know what? So do I I ain't got
no time for these people, you know how every like

(13:08):
Oh look at them sitting on the bill. It's so
difficult for them. Life is hard. No no, no, no, no, no,
no no. I know some of these people, and they
make their own lives very hard for themselves, very very
hard for themselves. And then yes, you're welcome here, here
we are. Let me tell you if you know the
details of how these people bludge make your heart very hard.

(13:30):
For twenty three.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
Getting the facts, discarding the fluff, It's Heather duplicity Ellen
drive with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 9 (13:40):
They'd be right.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
I need to tell you about this business with Nelson Hospital, right,
So Sam and Brown has announced that there was a
billion dollars set aside in the budget for hospital upgrades
and so on, and Nelson Hospital is going to get
the first lot of it. And you know, if you've
been following what's going on with one News, what Nelson
Hospital has a horrific situation there with so many of us,
they're understaffed and the staff for the remaining staff are

(14:04):
overworked and they're demoralized and blah blah blah blah blah.
So they're going to chuck some money at them, get
them some buildings. But as I said at the start
of the program, the buildings are modular transportable buildings, which
obviously means that they're prefabs. Now, before we start sniggering
about them being prefabs, there's nothing wrong with the prefab.
Prefab can be absolutely and nowadays they make really good prefabs, right,
so prefab is not a bad thing. Only problem with

(14:25):
the prefab is if you say you're gonna stick it
up and it's temporary, Well, we know that's not what's happening,
like those things become permanent, so then you have to
just be honest about it. But anyway, Simeon will be
with US Health minister after five o'clock. Heather, guess what
they just found out about the gas and I now
I'm off to get myself some This is Reese, So listen, okay,

(14:46):
I and I'm getting I'm getting a few texts saying
and now you've just told everybody on nationwide radio how
much they can nick off with I this is a
fair point to make.

Speaker 6 (14:55):
I was.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
I chatted to somebody who had their hands on this
information a few months ago, and they asked me whether
they thought they should release it or not, because it
would it would basically embolden criminals, right because now you know,
what do you think it's going to do? You know,
if you can fill up for less thane hundred and
fifty dollars and drive away, cops aren't coming to get you,
They're gonna be people who now know that they can
do that and do do that. So the question was

(15:17):
do you release that information and let people know what's
up and what they can get away with, or do
you sit on it? And I'm always of the view
that you release it because the retailers have to know
what's going on as well. It's not just the crims
who find out, it's the retailers who find out what's
going on. So it's out there now, just have to
do something about it. Headline's next person.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Mazarie putting the challenging questions to the people at the
heart of the story, it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with
one New Zealand, let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 10 (15:47):
They'd be.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
Will ruses with us on politics in ten minutes. Oli
Peterson's standing by out of Australia. Hither I'm a doctor.
You won't hear me complaining about port COM's permanent buildings.
Take more than a decade to build a New Zealand,
no matter how small in health New Zealand. By the way,
they are way over priced to the tune of about
four hundred percent. Porter Coms are the only way forward.

(16:10):
Porter Coms, That's what it is. Porter It just isn't.
Just sounds basic, doesn't it. But hey, like I said,
they build a porta com really well nowadays, and so
go for your life. If tell you what, I'd happily
sit in one of them rather than sitting out in
a field. So you're not sitting anything at all. Fiscal holes. Honestly,
Dear God, what is wrong with us, doesn't? I think

(16:33):
all it takes nowadays to get some coverage after a
budget or an election policy is that some numpty who
doesn't understand maths. And in this case, Chloe Swarbrick jumps
up and goes there the fatcal hole, and we go, oh,
fiscal hole. Oh no, because you remember the first time
we did the fiscal hole when Stephen Joyce did it
and worked like a treat Well, Stephen Joyce, wasn't it. Yeah,

(16:53):
it was, well, it was amazing, and we just took it.
We tied ourselves up in knots for weeks trying to
figure out if there's a fiscal hole or not this time.
So now, as a result, basically everybody's like, I know,
we just need to find something that looks so for
sco hold, we say we're going to get coverage, and yes,
Chloe has done that, Yes Chloe is getting coverage this time.
What's happened is Nichola has bumped up the key we
save a contributions in the budget from three to four
percent right, and so every employer is going to have

(17:15):
to do that. But the problem is the government is
the employer of many, many public servants and apparently hasn't
set aside any money for that, and it would cost
seven hundred and fourteen million dollars. The government's responded by going, yeah, well,
but you know what, the departments can find that money
themselves by cutting some other things, which doesn't sound crazy
given that that is what has been going on for
the last two budget cycles. If you want some more money,

(17:37):
cut something, then you've got some more Money's it's what
they're going to do, right Anyway, I'm not excited about
the budget about the FIS schoolhole, especially because it's the
Greens and I don't know the last time that we
thought the Greens had any economic credibility on anything. But
we'll talk to Brad Olson about it in a half
an hour's time and he could be the arbiter of that.
Twenty three away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
It's the world wires on newstalks.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
Russia has launched a major missile and drone attack on
thirty cities across Ukraine. At least twelve people have died.
Donald Trump is now quite unhappy with Russian President Putin.

Speaker 4 (18:10):
He's killing a.

Speaker 6 (18:10):
Lot of people.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
I don't know what's wrong with him. What the hell
happened to him? Right, he's killing a lot of people.

Speaker 6 (18:16):
I'm not happy about that.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
Over and Assi, the Defense Force has been sent to
the flood zone in New South Wales. Ten thousand homes
and businesses have been damaged in the floods and five
hundred properties have been declared uninhabitable. Here's the Emergency Management Minister.

Speaker 11 (18:29):
It's really important. I think that communities understand it. We've
got three levels of government really ably working together, and
requests for assistance from New South Wales have been actioned
as soon as possible by the federal government.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
And finally, that is the sound of a cargo ship
crashing into a man's front yard. In Norway, Johan Halberg
lives next to a fiord and one hundred and thirty
five meter cargo ship ran aground in the night, smashing
into his yard and only narrowly missing his house. Jahan
slept through the through the whole thing, realized what had
happened when his neighbor came round to check that he
was all right.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
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Speaker 3 (19:09):
Heather, there's only one for schoolhole on It's in Chloe's head.
Thank you. Jin Oliver Peterson six PR pers Live presenters
with us Ali yet ahead. Okay, So machette sales are banned,
are they?

Speaker 4 (19:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (19:19):
They are from midday on Wednesday Victorian time. This comes
after there was a shopping center incident over.

Speaker 4 (19:28):
The weekend in Melbourne, allegedly.

Speaker 12 (19:31):
Between a couple of under silants using a machete. So
the Victorian Premier justinto Allen, fronting the cameras first thing
this morning and saying from midday on Thursday, midday on Wednesday,
the sale of machetes will be banned until September the first.
The reason she can't put it in for longer than
that is the laws would need to be changed by
the State Parliament. So perhaps they will do that in

(19:51):
the coming months. If you are caught selling a machete
after that time, you can go to jail or you
could face a two hundred thousand dollar fine. So very
decisive and quick action being made thereby the Victorian Premiere.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
Hey, listen, what's the latest from the floods.

Speaker 4 (20:06):
So the warrigamp a damn in Sydney has burst. It
seems this.

Speaker 12 (20:09):
Obviously is the dam which provides all of the water,
the drinking water to people who live in Sydney, apart
from that which obviously comes.

Speaker 4 (20:17):
From a desalination plant.

Speaker 12 (20:18):
But in terms of the floods, we're talking about ten
thousands residents or ten thousand homes have been affected by this.
Up to about fifty thousand people to be honest, hew,
there have been this placed as a result of the floods.
They're slowly being able to move back into some of
the towns. There are still some flood waters in some
northern parts of New South Wales. This is going to
cost obviously hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars and

(20:41):
there is no guarantee that people are going to be
ad to be able to access their homes this week.
So look the images which are coming out from cattle
and livestock stations in particular being caught up in the floods.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
It's just quite heartbreaking.

Speaker 12 (20:55):
After a bunch of cyclones have really hit this part
of New South Wales and southern Queensland over recent months.
It is something that I don't want to be heading
into with winter just around the corner.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Now I see that the problem with the ADHD in
medication is being fixed in your part of the world
by gps being able to scribe, being able to be
given more ability really to prescribe it, right.

Speaker 12 (21:15):
Yeah, so about one thousand gps will be given this
opportunity over in New South Wales, you know, and they
reckon that the number of people on medication for ADHD
has surged by three hundred percent over the last decade.
That rises to four hundred and seventy thousand people in
twenty two to twenty three. But it's going to become
a lot easy for you. I mean, our gps are
being asked to do everything. I don't know if it's
the same in New Zealand, Heather, but our gps are

(21:35):
being asked to do mental health checks now obviously prescribe
ADHD medication all because there is such a backlog as
well to go and see psychiatrists and psychologists. There's just
no There's this front page story here in our local
paper today in Western Australia where there is now a
secret list for public surgery wait times. So if you've
got a knee issue, you could be waiting up to

(21:56):
three years to go in knee fixed.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
It's just ridiculous, got this pressure on the GP.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
I don't know that this is such a good idea
because I mean, neither how many people do you know
in your life who've declared themselves to be Adhd?

Speaker 4 (22:08):
Every other person that I've met.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
I've got two members of my family who think they
are Adhd, and that almost convinced me that I am anyway,
But this is the problem, right, So now I think
I'm Adhd if I'm living in your part of the world,
then I just go along to the GP, tellim I
need the pearls. They give it to me. Surely what
you need is as a specialist to sit you down
and go nay.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
You actually, though absolutely I agree.

Speaker 12 (22:29):
I think they're over prescribing this stuff and there's got
to be a massive warning sign on this, and I
don't think it's just going to be basically what everyone's
going to chat with the GP and say, this is
my shopping list. Can you feel it out and give
me a prescription?

Speaker 13 (22:40):
I don't like it.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
Are you Adhd?

Speaker 10 (22:41):
By the way?

Speaker 4 (22:42):
Nah?

Speaker 14 (22:43):
I'm not.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
I mean I don't stop.

Speaker 12 (22:45):
Like all journalists have got ADHD.

Speaker 4 (22:47):
Don't we like we can't stop better?

Speaker 3 (22:50):
Oh yeah, you should go see the GP. Okay, Ollie,
thank you, I appreciated. Oliver Peterson, six PR pers Life Presenter. Yes,
so it's my brother. I'm just gonna I'm just gonna
shame out right now. My brother thinks he's got ADHD.
He thinks I've got ADHD too. He says that the
symptoms of ADHD are over sharing, which to be fair,
I definitely do. It's also inability to concentrate, which definitely

(23:14):
does happen from time to time. It's a whole bunch
of other stuff. But anyway, then I was talking to
him about it and I said, well, this just sounds
like a lot of symptoms of burnout as well, doesn't it.
Or it sounds like others. It also sounds like maybe
you're sitting up too late at night playing PlayStation and
not getting enough sleep. Is that what you have? Or
do you have ADHD? Now you see the problem?

Speaker 6 (23:33):
Right?

Speaker 3 (23:33):
So now mate goes along to that, if he's living
in Australia, go get a little pills from the GP
and maybe maybe just needs a good sit down with
a specialist. He goes, no, you haven't got Adhd. Yes,
you just need to stop playing Grand Theft Auto in
the middle of the night and go to bed mate. Anyway,
don't worry, my phone's gonna light up in a minute
because being ADHD, he will be listening to this while

(23:54):
doing something else. And now he's going to text me furiously,
lots and lots of texts, and I'm going to get
in try. But I'm just gonna blame my ADHD because
I would say, hey, O for shared, because I've got ADHD. Yay,
it's an excuse for all my bad behavior. Hey, listen
on an actual subject of things you care about, which
is what's going on in politics. I don't know if
you've seen this, but there are a bunch of women

(24:16):
who are former MPs who've set up this unofficial select
committee group and they're just going to roast the government,
aren't they over the changes to the pay equity law.
I'm going it's led by Marilyn Wearing. Stop it trouble
maker from way back, but it kind of the kind
of troublemaker we like, like a nice trouble maker. Anyway,
we'll talk to Jason Walls about it, and we may
depending on how intense. My ADHD is today. I may,

(24:38):
in fact, we may get in a bit of trouble
over what we're going to say. Sixteen away from.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
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Speaker 3 (24:47):
Jason Wall's political editors with us. Hello Jason, Hello, Hello.
Fiscal holes A so the Greens reckon they found one.

Speaker 15 (24:55):
Don't say it, don't say the word I'm sick of.
I had flashbacks to the press conference. It's Steve Joyce's
off us back in twenty seventeen. But no, so it's
I'll take you through it because it's not a fiscal
whole per se. But it doesn't mean the government's completely
clean either. The Green said the government had not accounted
for the increase for its own employees and its books.
When it comes to that three to four percent increase

(25:18):
in the ki ki we saver changes and the government,
you know it would hit the government quite hard. The
government employees about sixty two to sixty five thousand people,
so having that liability on your books it was always
going to be a fair chunk of change. The Greens are,
they're correct. There's no specific line in the budget that
says how much this is actually going to cost the government.

(25:39):
There are no actual numbers, but what it is in
is something called the Specific Fiscal Risks section of the budget,
and that is the section where officials kind of note
some of the bigger issues that will cost a lot
of money that can't necessarily be quantified at this given time,
think of like a big earthquake in Wellington or something
like that. So it is in the Specific Fiscal Risk section.

(26:02):
It is very thin. It's very thin. It's on page
ninety two of the Budget and Economic Fiscal Update the BIFU,
and it says, in addition, when it's talking about public
sector employment agreements, there may be increased costs arising from
increases in employer can we sy saver contributions following Budget
twenty twenty five decisions. So it's way for thin in

(26:23):
terms of the details. The Greens say it's between six
hundred and seven hundred million of thereabouts, but it's it's
technically the thing is and Nikola Willis kind of explains
it this, she explained it this afternoon, is that the
government have been unable to quantify that and she decided
to when she was talking about it today kind of

(26:44):
take a aim at the Greens rather than the issue itself.

Speaker 8 (26:47):
Well, I won't be taking any mass lessons from Chloe's wallbrick.
The only whole I've seen is the eighty eight billion
dollar hole she wants to dig in New Zealander's pockets
with her proposed new taxes and the forty four billion
dollar debt hole she wants to dig for our country.

Speaker 15 (27:02):
And you know, it's an easy hit for the minister.
But then she actually goes on to kind of confirm
what the Greens have been saying.

Speaker 8 (27:08):
The specific issue she refers to was specified as a
fiscal risk in the budget documents, and we will now
be working with individual government agencies to identify what potential
costs they could face in order to meet these new
key we saver requirements. Will assess that information and then
make a judgment about whether agencies do in fact need

(27:28):
any additional funding to meet those commitments. We don't have
that information yet, so it's too soon to make a judgment.

Speaker 15 (27:34):
So in conclusion, the government does need to come up
with the money. It wasn't in this year's budget, but
it's not a whole per se, because the government always
knew that they had to fund it. They just didn't
know how much.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
How much it was, Yes, Now, what do you think
of the People's It sounds very very communist. China doesn't
the People Select Committee it does.

Speaker 15 (27:54):
That was the first thing that I thought when I
went to the press conference this morning. It does have
sort of big communist, big grand Hall of the People
in China vibes. But you know, it's to be fair.
It is a pretty stacked cast of people on this committee.
It it's Marilyn Wearing, of course, needs no introduction. You've
got Jackie Blue a former GNAT, Joe Hayes a former NAT.
You've got people like Lean Deeza Dezel there. You've got

(28:16):
Steve Chadwick. Nanaima Huta is there as well in Sue Bradford.
So it's actually a good mix of National New Zealand
first with a couple of Labor and the Green sprinkled
in as well. And it was Marilyn Wearing that put
this whole thing together. And it's not that she's opposed
to the changes for pay equity per se. It's more
that she's not happy that the Select Committee process had

(28:38):
been somewhat circumvented. Here's what she told.

Speaker 16 (28:40):
Us I'm hardly one to worry.

Speaker 17 (28:43):
I sat in a parliament that was the deviled by
urgency under Muldoon for you know, many on many occasions.

Speaker 15 (28:53):
So I asked it was it Robert Muldoon? Was Was
he in mind when she was forming this group?

Speaker 17 (28:58):
No, No, I don't think of him at all.

Speaker 15 (29:04):
Been there, done that, Being there, done that on Robert Muldoon.
She's one of the few people that say something like that.
But I guess the question comes back to will this
have any impact on the government's planned pay equity plans.
Here's what Nicola Willis told us.

Speaker 8 (29:18):
Well, we've already passed the law, so people are free
to share their views on it and to have debate.
But with the government has already made up its mind
on this issue.

Speaker 15 (29:29):
So that's it's a firm noel. But this issue isn't
going to go away quietly as long as this committee
is around.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Ever heard of Belinda Vernon before?

Speaker 15 (29:37):
I have heard of Belinda Vernon. Yes, she was one
of the people that because she's on this committee and
that before that. Honestly, now, are you going to tell
me that she's really important I'm about political editor.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
No, not at all. No, No, I think you took
enough beating from me last week. You will have heard
of Jackie Blue and Joe Hayes, right, because they were
jack time.

Speaker 4 (29:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (29:56):
Jackie Blue was my MP at Mount Roskill when I
was yeah, And I actually went up to Jackie Blue
one day and said, what what does it take for
me to become a politician? And she give me this
whole long list of things and not going to do it.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
But it was just like, yeah, Lynn play do you
remember her?

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Uh?

Speaker 15 (30:13):
No, no, that one.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
I think you've made my point for me. It's hardly
Paula Bennetts and Helen Clark's is it.

Speaker 15 (30:20):
You gotta get Nanaiama hooter.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
You know.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
Sue Bradford, like Nanoiah, was one of the laziest MPs around,
but she was.

Speaker 15 (30:26):
Still a minister of the crowds.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
Of the ministers and they sit around doing nothing and
she's the prime example of it and who you should
be on the Bradford I just quite like what they're doing.
Sue Bradford. You're right, Sue Bradford is a Sue Bradford
actually doesn't deserve to be in this list with all
of these people anyway, Thanks very much. Jason appreciate it.
Jason Wall's News talk Z Political head that that was
way too harsh. Some of them are actually okay. Some

(30:49):
of them are okay, but I mean some of them
ever heard of them before? Nah seven away from five.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Putting the time questions to the newspakers, the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 18 (31:00):
As well, this how much are people going to spend? Therefore?
How much are they going to depreciate? Therefore? How much
are they not going to pay you tax?

Speaker 8 (31:06):
Well, there's two parts to it. There's those who are
going to be making investments anyway, so for then this
policy means a bit more cash flow. And the second
thing is how many new investments get brought forward.

Speaker 18 (31:15):
That's a bit.

Speaker 8 (31:16):
Harder to judge, but when we look around the world,
evidence is pretty clear that people will make investments they
wouldn't have otherwise made. If we over deliver on this,
and it costs more because more people are investing, I
think the growth dividend will be well worth it because
that means bigger jobs, more pay more opportunities for New Zealanders.

Speaker 18 (31:33):
Back tomorrow at six am, the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
Baby's Real Estate News talk Z' be here.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
The Belinda Vernon was the head girl at my school.
You know who she is. Okay, listen, there are some
things that you didn't know that you needed to know
about your prime minister, and I'm going to give you
one of them. Chris Luxen has talked to Dom Harvey
on his podcast, did.

Speaker 18 (31:58):
You save yourselves for marriage?

Speaker 16 (31:59):
Well?

Speaker 19 (32:00):
I mean we yeah, we were very committed to each other. Yeah,
and so that's been you know we basically I wanted
to make sure when I go into a relationship with someone,
I want to do it for life.

Speaker 18 (32:08):
And that was Amanda for me.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (32:10):
Yeah, that's cool.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
It's cool. You didn't know that you needed to know that,
but now you know that. Also, he did acknowledge. You
remember when he had that interview with Mike, and Mike
asked him about several thousand different ways whether he was
going to sack Andrew Bailey had Andrew Bailey not resigned.
He now regrets ob the skating.

Speaker 19 (32:28):
I probably answered it from a human point of view
of like, is this really what this individual needs right now?
Is to say the promise what I fired you anyway?

Speaker 3 (32:35):
You know?

Speaker 19 (32:37):
And so yep, I didn't probably get that one right.
I should have answered more definitively about it, and that
it was actually you get caught between a human moment
of trying to care for the individual who you actually
have worked with and know well, and yes it's a
different personality, but actually just genuinely made a mistake, right,
and it's taken responsibility for it. And do they really
need me piling on there?

Speaker 20 (32:57):
You go?

Speaker 3 (32:57):
All right, we're gonna have a chat to the cops
next about this investigation of retail crime. If you haven't
caught up on it, anything under five hundred bucks at shoplifted,
they're not coming to have a look at it. They
were with us.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Next.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
Questions, answers, facts, analysis, the drive, show you trust for
the full picture. Heather Dupasy on Drive with One New
Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 10 (33:41):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
Good afternoon. Retailers are asking the Police Minister for an
urgent meeting after a revelation that cops are no longer
investigating fraud and theft crimes below a certain level. So
a memo was sent to police staff two months ago
showing police will no longer attend shoplifting incidents where the
value is below five hundred gas theft incidents as in
petrol theft incidents of less than one hundred and fifty

(34:04):
dollars and won't investigate online scams below one thousand dollars.
Superintendent Blair MacDonald is the police Director of Service, Hay
Blair Kuoder. Why are you guys doing this?

Speaker 21 (34:15):
Well, look, we're actually not changing anything. Look, unfortunately there's
been some confusion with this memo that went out so effectively,
the memo was written specifically for people, in this case
my staff who actually are triarging all of the files
that come into the organization. Now, if this information if

(34:38):
I had have intended for that memo to be made
public or to be presented in a public way, it
would have been worded in a very different way.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
Right, But you're still doing this, right you are not.
You're clearly not going to investigate any shoplifting with the
value is below five hundred bucks.

Speaker 21 (34:52):
Yes, no, no, So that is incorrect. So what I
really want to re ensure that reassure all of the
listeners out there today that police will absolutely still be
investigating shoplifting retail theft where there is clear evidence of offending.
So for example, where we have identified an offender, we've
got great CCTV footage or vehicles identified, etc. What the

(35:16):
memo was directing my staff to do was to create
a consistent excuse me, threshold for our staff to be
able to assign these cases onto the districts.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
When assessing files with these offenses, you will apply the
relevant value threshold and file any file under that threshold,
regardless of any lines of inquiry, which is to say,
regardless of any lines of inquiry, it's not going to
be investigated, Isn't that what it's saying.

Speaker 21 (35:44):
Well, that is true. But what you need to appreciate
is that we have groups like the Retail Crime Group
who are actually looking across all of these files. Now,
certainly I do not disagree that when a file is filed,
it is what it says on the can it's filed.
But if more evidence comes to light, or we identify
a series or a pattern of offending, when it comes to.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
A real hot we can reacalivate.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
These guys are filing it. They're filing it regardless of
whether there's lines of inquiry. They're putting it away. It's
never going to see the light of day again. It's gone.

Speaker 21 (36:18):
Well, no, that's not at all So the filing part
is absolutely true. But what you need to appreciate this
is going into our national intelligence application, and we have
intelligence teams that are looking at these files daily and
that's the whole point, right, So they are able to
detect these trends and patterns so we can identify the
significant people who are offending in this area.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
So so what you're seeing is patterns and stuff. But
what if you are running the shop, We're four hundred
and fifty dollars worth of stuff just got nicked, and
that got filed. It's surely of very little, you know,
like assistance to you that somewhere may form a pattern.
They want that filed out with right there, not just
put away, but it's being put away as Yeah.

Speaker 21 (37:01):
Look, I can completely understand and look, in an ideal world,
you know, our organization would be able to investigate every
single reported offense that comes in the door. But as
I said to you earlier, look, you know my team
alone deal with one point twenty five million. Now that
is ninety thousand offenses every single month. Now, the reality
is we just can't get.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
To that enough. And I am out of.

Speaker 21 (37:22):
Out our assessment process. Yeah, so we're part of our
assessment process, right, we try and judge, Okay, where can
we investigate that's going to prevent the most amount of
or prevent the most amount of harm and put risk
to our members of the public. And this is just
one tool in that process.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
Do you worry though, that now that this information is
out there, the recidivists are going to know, right, if
they do five hundred dollars and less of shoplifting, they'll
get away with it. If they drive away with less
than one hundred and fifty bucks worth of petrol, they'll
get away with it.

Speaker 21 (37:51):
Yeah, well it's a fair assumption, right, But again I
come back to that's where we're lucky, right, we have
good tools, good systems, good processes in place where we've
got some very clever people looking for all of that.
The Aura platform, for example, captures a fantastic CCTV imagery
which allows these investigation teams to connect the dots. And
so look, you know that's that Again. You spoke to

(38:13):
Matt earlier last week. His retail crime group do some
fantastic work in that space. And just to give you
an example of his numbers, because I know he didn't
get to share them, but between twenty two and twenty
twenty four, we actually increase the identification of offending in
this space by thirty five percent.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
And how much we went from you.

Speaker 21 (38:35):
I don't have that exact data for what to do.

Speaker 4 (38:37):
Focused on the wrong thing.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Yeah, I mean, I'm stoked that you guys are doing
all this other stuff and you've got cool little systems
and stuff. That means nothing to me. I want you
to solve the crimes. How many of these crimes are
you solving? It would be piddly amount.

Speaker 21 (38:50):
A look again, Sorry, I actually couldn't tell you off
the that's a little bit outside my swim lane. We're
busy at the business end managing the information, and the
districts of course are out there doing the investigations.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
All right, Blair, listen, thank you very much for your time. Appreciated.
It's superintended. Billy McDonald, Police, Director of Service.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Here the Duplessy Allen.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
The Nelson government has announced details of its planned upgrade
for Nelson Hospital. It's going to get a brand new
impatient building by twenty twenty nine, that's two years earlier
than planned, and then the two existing main buildings are
also going to get a reno Simeon Brown as the
Health Minister to Haysam in.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
Hi, Heather, how are you well?

Speaker 3 (39:25):
Thank you? Are you doing more or less than Labor
was planning to do? Because this feels like a downgrade.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Is it?

Speaker 13 (39:30):
Look No, this is gone through a process which actually
Labor started a rescope in August twenty twenty three, they
just didn't tell anybody about. And it's going to increase
the number of beds substantially at Nelson Hospital. But do
it in a cost effective way. And that's what we're
focused on doing, making sure we can bring that forward
and get that capacity. If we continue with Labour's approach,

(39:51):
which they wanted to do, it was going to cost
up to one point eight billion dollars.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
So and yours has been costing one.

Speaker 13 (39:58):
We've allocated another five hundred million dollar in this budget,
over just over five hundred million dollars in the budget
to this project. And it delivers a new and patient building,
It provides an upgrade to the existing facilities and a
new energy center so that the people Nelson can get
the capacity and the timely quality healthcare that they need.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
So what is this with these modular transportable buildings? Are
these prefabs.

Speaker 13 (40:23):
Effectively, these are well prefabricated wards. The budget also funded
Health New Zealand to be able to be put in
place three to four of these across the country. Nelson's
going to be the first to receive it. And this
basically means we can get more beds in place, even sooner,
so while the construction's underway, more beds in place and Nelson,
so that we can address some of the challenges facing

(40:45):
that hospital because it does have a bed shortage, elective surgeries,
hip knees, cataracts, they.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
Are these things. Are these things temporary, So once you
finish the construction, you shift the beds in, then then
you take the building away.

Speaker 4 (40:55):
Yes, you can do you can do so.

Speaker 13 (40:57):
Ultimately, we're building the long term solution, but this means
that before that's been completed, we can get more beds
than much much.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
Now, you and I know how this works, right. You
check one of those modular buildings there. They're not going
to be moved out. They're going to become permanent, aren't they.
I mean not that that's necessarily a bad thing, but
it is going to happen, isn't it.

Speaker 13 (41:15):
Well, the key thing here is we are building the
long term solution for Nelson and so this allows for
that additional capacity in the short term while the new
and patient beds are being built. We're also funded, as
said others, of the more units for other parts of
the country as well. We know we've got a bed
shortage across the country and this is one way that
we can address it.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
Okay, and so in terms of the staffing, which has
actually been what's getting the headlines lately, is this going
to help with the staffing issues.

Speaker 13 (41:42):
Well, look, that's obviously why we've funded. You know, we've
increased Health New Zealand's funding again in this year's budget.
Health overall received a seven percent increase in funding, about
six point two percent on a per capita basis. So
it's receiving a significant uplift and funding so that we
can deliver the services that we need that people and
the infrastructure which are critically needed across New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
All right, saman listen, thanks very much. I really appreciate
it that Sam and Brown the Health Minister. Quarter past five.
I just a reminder we're going to talk to Marilyn
Wearing after half pasted about this People's Select Committee right now.
It's eighteen past five. Now the fiscal hole is back again.
This time it's from the Greens. They reckon they found
a seven hundred million dollar hole in the government's twenty
twenty five budget. They reckon the government hasn't costed for

(42:25):
the amount it will have to pay its public service
employees when the key we save employer contributions go from
three to four percent. Brad Olson is the principal economist
Informetrics and been taking a look at it. Hallo, Brad,
good evening. So it's there. But is it a mini
hole or a maxi hole?

Speaker 22 (42:41):
Well, I feel like it's sort of a half talked
about hole in a sense because the government and Treasury
have noted some of the lack of costing effectively in
some of the fiscal Risks section of the budget update.
And that's only because the government doesn't want to prejudice
their position and they're going to at some point go

(43:01):
into negotiations with employees around this and other changes, and
they don't sort of want to have already said, well, look,
we've set aside all of this money and therefore that's
definitely how we're going to pay for it. So I
feel like It's a hole that sort of hasn't been
fully costed out, but certainly hasn't been completely forgotten about either.
The government has just got to work out over the

(43:21):
next couple of years as these changes come through, what
it effectively does to achieve it, just like I think
every other business across the country will be trying to
figure out. So there is a cost, it will have
to be met, but it's not being directly disclosed in
the budget figures.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
Bred there is something to this argument. Isn't that that
now that you have to up your key, the employers
have to up the key. We save a contribution from
the employer. The pay rise that you get next to
you or whenever this kicks in twenty twenty oud or
thereafter is going to be lower.

Speaker 22 (43:49):
Yeah, that's effectively what the Treasury has estimated themselves. I've
said that they expect that, you know, I think something
like eighty percent of employers are likely to sort of
move in that way and figure out how to sort
of meet it. And I guess from that point of view,
it might well be that, you know, the boss the
employers come out and say, well, look we were going

(44:09):
to give you. I don't know a two thousand dollars increase.
We'll still give you that increase, but only one thousand
dollars of it will actually go to you and your
weekly paid. The other thousand is to meet the additional
contributions that we've got to make on your CAVI saver.

Speaker 4 (44:22):
That's I think.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
I mean, we see a lot of these.

Speaker 22 (44:24):
Conversations play out across employees and employers, and it will
be a horses for courses argument. Again, that's probably what
the government will have to do as well. They'll say, well, look,
we're going to give you more pay. It's just that
more of your pay now gets saved as well. And
that's where it's all coming from. Sort of one total bucket.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
Okay, you have twenty seconds to tell me what your
problem with me is on superannuation.

Speaker 22 (44:46):
That we should approach superannuation like every other benefit we
seem too. There's a bit of means testing. There's not
all that much universality in it.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
Okay, thank you, very good. That was probably only like
seven seconds. Thank you, Brad brad Elson. Infametric principle economsts.
I'm gonna come back to that and check this out. Though, Heather,
I'm sorry because I hate to criticize the police, but
in the last six weeks I've had two reasons to
interact with them. On the first one, my car was
stolen and my phone was taken and it was traceable.
It was driven down do Minion Road in Auckland in
the middle of the day, past all the traffic camps.

(45:15):
On the second occasion, a lady broke into my apartment block,
broke a windows, a window of my neighbor's car. There
were CCTV images of her. On both occasions, there was
insufficient information to investigate. If you don't look, you won't
find information. Insufficient information with all of that available information,
So when we had or Mate Blair with us just
before going yeah, well, you know, we'd put it all

(45:36):
into a database and we try to connect the dots
and then maybe one day, in about one hundred years,
we'll actually find these people. This is the information that's
being put in. You could probably find the criminals, and
in many cases you actually can if you wanted to bother,
but there just aren't enough police to do it. Five
twenty two.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Checking the point of the story, it's Heather duplicy Ellen
drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected and used.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
Either on a load of bs. The police should be
investigating every theft, every fraud, whatever the amount, especially with
the identity the offenders are known or can be established
with some inquiry. I'm an old detective from the sixties, seventies,
eighties and nineties. Just don't have enough cops. What do
you do about it? Anyway, We're going to flick it
to the huddle, have a chat to them, and then
Finance Minister Nikola Willis is with us after six o'clock
will ask her two, it's five twenty five. Now read

(46:22):
the chat with Brad. Just before, I got a surprising
amount of unsolicited feedback on about my rent on Friday,
about leaving the government, needing to leave my superannuation alone,
and some of it was from Brad Olson, who decided
to start a text exchange with me at about quarter
to eight on Friday night saying, and I quote, I
think we need to do a super conversation, and then

(46:43):
he gave me his argument against my argument. Of course,
his argument made sense, as did everybody else's argument. But
what everybody fails to understand apparently I'm judging by all
of the feedback I'm getting is that, yes, I am
emotional about my super, but also what people are missing
is that I am prepared to give up some of
my super if and only if the government first removes

(47:10):
welfare from working age people. Because understand this super is
welfare for people who are not of working age, and
I put that in their quotes. But there is a
lot of welfare out there for people who are of
working age, and I want you to go after that first. Okay,
So for example, third year free tertiary, there is no
need for that. Why are we making kids pay for

(47:30):
year one of the university and then year two of
the university? And they were, god, yeah, three's on us,
totally cooled, But no, get rid of it. You don't
need to do that. They were fine before you made
it free. They were paying for it themselves. Can we
save a contributions they need to go all together? They
never mind this business that we're just tinkering with it
right now? Why are we giving about two hundred dollars
dollars a year to the super fund, the kei we Fund?
Can we save a fund of somebody who's earning one

(47:53):
hundred and seventy nine thousand dollars a year they have
enough money to save themselves. Get rid of it. Working
for families, get rid of it. I don't mean you're
gonna have to do that slowly, because that thing's deeply
entrench now. But this is the most disgraceful example of
welfare for people who don't need it. Do you realize
that there are people in this country who are on
working well, working for families, who pay literally no tax

(48:15):
at all. They have children, they have an income, They
pay no tax at all because we're just giving them
that much money, in some cases tens of thousands of dollars.
Guy emailed me to tell me that his mate's wife
stopped working all together because you couldn't be bothered working
now the husband is the only one working. They get
working for families. They get more in working for families
than they pay an income tax. Therefore that we're giving

(48:35):
them free money. Get rid of it. Best start get
rid of it. Don't do all every freebie like this,
get rid of it. If we're going to touch super
to save money, we should touch everything else first, because
surely you take away from those who are of working
age first before you start taking away from pensioners together.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
Do for sea Allen, do we need to.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
Talk about Nichola Willis's outfit? I have, I don't. I'm
not quite. I'm not quite like everybody else in this
I don't mind talking about outfits. I don't mind talking
about MP's outfits. I do it all the time. I mean,
I'm ashamed of myself every time a man comes into
the office on budget day, whether it's Robbo or whoever

(49:15):
I got, Well, how bought you that tie? Who'd you
get that ti? Why'd you pick it for budget Day?
So anyway, we'll talk about that.

Speaker 9 (49:21):
Shortly after making the news, the newsmakers talk to Hither first,
it's Hither duplessy Ellen drive with one new zealist, let's
get connected news talks.

Speaker 4 (49:34):
They'd bed you taking me.

Speaker 5 (49:43):
Right?

Speaker 3 (49:43):
Nikolot listens with us half six o'clock and the huddle
is standing by Colin, the former police officers. He emailed
me saying, Hither that copper was talking absolute crap. He's
just started a tsunami of theft. It obviously requires the
old crims tuning into the news, but it won't take
a long time for it to filter to them. Right now,
it's twenty four away now, a group of former female
MPs have set up an official and unofficial Sorry Select

(50:04):
Committee group to interrogate the government's changes to pay equity law.
The group includes Nanaiamahosa from Labour, Sue Bradford from the Greens,
Rear Bond from New Zealand First, Joe Hayes from National,
et cetera, et cetera, and it's being led by Dame
Marilyn Wearing. Marilyn, Hello, lovely to talk to you. It's
great to have you.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
What's the point of this? Are you guys trying to
exert pressure here to force a U tune?

Speaker 16 (50:27):
We're trying to collect the evidence that should have been
before Parliament before the legislation was considered. So I'm a
researcher of old and I like rigat and I like evidence,
and when it affects that vast number of women, I

(50:50):
was very concerned that it wasn't there, and I thought
what might be a device effect to gather all of
that evidence that should have been in front of parliament.
So I approached a group of other former women members

(51:11):
of Parliament who frankly jumped at the opportunity to work
in this way. We know that the government has said
they're going to continue some pay equity claims. We know
that the opposition is saying they're going to overturn things.
I think it will be in both their interests to
have the information that we can now gather.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
Are you expecting anybody from the government to talk to you.

Speaker 16 (51:36):
Guys, Not in particular, but I'm not sure that that
worries me very much. I mean, from now on, because
of the nature of the budget, we'll be able to
access the examination of estimates both in the House and
in select committees. We can use official Information request to

(52:00):
get material where there's some obstinacy. We can definitely use
members of Parliament to lodge written questions where we can't
uncover material. So we're not you know, we're we're feeling
very confident. We also expect that both from the public
and private sector, material will fall off the back of

(52:21):
a truck, so I don't think that will lack for.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
I'm so sure that have you had the old wink wink,
nudge nudge from people.

Speaker 16 (52:32):
The The site went live this morning and it's already
being the set with emails and office of donations. Well,
I don't know, that's one of the wonderful things. You see.
I don't have to, I don't monitor that. I don't
see that. So but but I've been told that there's

(52:56):
a flood coming in and people who know me and
who who have my email addresses and things there also,
you know, coming in quite solidly. And one of the
things I noticed before you know this was even announced
was and following media commentary, I was amazed at how

(53:16):
many men were really upset about this. And I just
got on the planes from Wellington to Auckland and it
was men who were tut grabbing me and saying well done.
I'm very excited with what you've done. And I think
that the public feel like they need a space for

(53:37):
this information to be made available. So that's what we're
trying to do.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
Marilyn, thank you as always, lovely to talk to you,
Dave Marilyn Wearing, former National Party MP.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
The huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty find you
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Speaker 3 (53:51):
On the huddle with me. We have Trisharson Sharson, Willis
pre and Joe Spaghani child fan CEO. Hello you too. Hello,
Hello Trisha. Now what do you make of the police
not in this gating shoplifting below five hundred bucks.

Speaker 23 (54:02):
I think it sends the wrong message to everyone. I
think it undermines community, the sort of community trust I
think it leads into. Already there are concerns around sort
of part time or partial policing. There are some small
towns around New Zealand where police come in for certain

(54:23):
hours of the day from regional regional hubs. I think
the other point about it, though, is it's not about
the material theft of stuff from shops. The bigger problem
here is the safety of frontline people. Think about all
the young teenage kids who work in supermarkets, young kids

(54:45):
who go to work in a dairy. The dairy owners
themselves are the young kids who are on the fore
court of the petrol station. This is an issue about safety.
And I heard you talking earlier about the facial recognition
technology that'super much have been trialing. Again, remembering that that
is a technology that is about the safety of the

(55:07):
grosses and their teams in those stores, because what it's
targeting is the nutso repeat offenders who have probably already
been trespassed, and they're going to come back in and
be abusive and potentially violent to stuff. So I just
think this sends the wrong signal at the wrong time.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
What can you do, though, Josie, I mean, if you
haven't got enough cops, you haven't got enough cops.

Speaker 24 (55:33):
Yeah, But the problem is, I mean, you're absolutely right, Trish.
It's the broken windows approach, right that if you leave
these smaller crimes, so called smaller crimes, and don't attend
to them, then you're basically sending a message you're going
to get away with it. And I had I mean
a couple of years ago, it's not that long ago.
My son at university had his motorbike stolen at midnight. Now,

(55:54):
most students, as you know, are up at midnight, and
so his mates were filming this as this vand turns
the guys are quite comfortable, didn't have masks on. They
film these guys stealing his motorbike, getting the motorbike slowly
into the van, securing it, took a picture of the
number plate and nothing was done about it. So you know,

(56:14):
you're right, the cops are going right well, up which
crime am I going to attend to? Am I going
to attend to that I stolen? Or am I to
go to domestic lence?

Speaker 5 (56:23):
Issue?

Speaker 24 (56:23):
Out in somewhere wherever. So yes, I can't get there,
but I think, what when you interview with the cop
and I.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
Heard, okay, hold on, I tell you what, Josie, We'll
call you back because your line is dodgy, as can
you guys call it back, Trish, what do you do though?
If we don't have enough cops. We don't have enough cops,
So what do we do?

Speaker 23 (56:43):
In my view, this is one of the areas, like health,
like education, that has to be absolutely prioritized by politicians
because this is part of the This is.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
What we pay our taxes. This is exactly what we
pay our texts for. Actually, the first thing of this
lablishment of a state, right where you all collectively come
together and you go, we're going to put our texts together.
It's the first thing you can put your text together
is safety.

Speaker 23 (57:09):
And this is part of the social contract that any
government has with the people. And we can get distracted
with a whole lot of other stuff that happens in
the inanity of politics today, but this, to me is
absolutely critical.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
We need Joss. Sorry we lost you there, but you
were saying that you were listening to the top.

Speaker 24 (57:26):
Yeah, I was, And I think what he was trying
to say was something quite different, which is that most
shoplifters offend about fifty times before they get caught, So
it doesn't make sense to kind of go after someone
who's stolen something for forty bucks or something. They're probably
repeat offenders anyway. So they're focusing on the repeat offenders
rather than on the kids nicking lollies. But the problem

(57:48):
is that they're not being very clear about that. They're
also not confronting the fact that two things. One is
privacy laws. If we're going to have face recognition storage
of that footage, then privacy laws have to catch up
pretty quick with that. And the second thing is small
businesses and small towns are really going to struggle with
this because you're effectively saying you've got to privatize your

(58:10):
own security, get your security guards.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
So, Josie, here's how the problem with it. If you
let the forty buck one go, then the forty buck
one becomes an eighty buck one next time, one hundred
and twenty, and so you need to like, that's your
broken it's your very own broken windows thing that you
were talking about before. You need to catch those kids
at the start of it. So they don't become the recidivists.

Speaker 24 (58:30):
I agree, and I think what they were trying to
do was trying to you know, square that circle and go, oh,
we're going after the repeat offenders, not the little feeling lollies.
But it's come out all wrong. So they need to
sort out their messaging.

Speaker 23 (58:43):
Christal Well and the other risk is that it appears
to people who do want to thieve and damage that
below this value, these crimes are being decriminalized effectively.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
Like don't offended. Now if every time you go to
the gas station they go, you're going to have to
pay before you fill up, because this because I mean,
you know, the alternative as everybody drives away with this
stuff on one hundred and fifty. Right, we'll take a break,
come back shortly quarter two.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
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Speaker 3 (59:12):
Your back of the huddle. Jose beginni intertious and so
Josie thoughts on what Nicola wore on budget day.

Speaker 24 (59:19):
Oh my goodness, this honestly, this is so ridiculous. She's
absolutely right to say, you know, I've got more serious
things to think about now rather than what you think
about my dress. And I do think there's a bit
of cultural cringe there, the idea that a female politician
and a female politician and the men don't get the
same pressure has to wear this New Zealand designer dress. Whatever. Whatever.

(59:42):
We're not the only country that makes nice clothes. For
God's sake, She's entitled to wear whatever she wants. If
she wants to buy dress from the warehouse, let her
go for it. And I think coming the week after
it was okay to call Tory MP's national female MP's
the sea word, and then suddenly having a go what
she's wearing, it's really unseemly and it feels really sexist.

(01:00:04):
It feels nasty. So yeah, I mean, if she'd worn
a dress that was worth maybe twenty thousand dollars, maybe
you'd look at that as she's cutting Kiwi souper and
Kiwi favor and pay equity and you'd think that's a
bit off. But that would be a money issue, not
a design or a clothes issue. So and I actually
I thought she looked amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
I thought she were.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
Great as well. It was a very fetching shade of blue. Okay, here,
I'm going to give you my theory, trash. This is
not a sexism thing, because everybody your day. We actually
talked to the boys like ad nauseum about their ties, right,
So it's not sexist. I think what it is is
it is deeply unfair to women on the right who
seem to cop a lot of on a lot of
a lot of hatred from the media because just Cinda,

(01:00:46):
we talked about her outfits, but it was always glowing.
So as look she's wearing some jho, she's you know,
look at her beautiful pregnancy dump.

Speaker 24 (01:00:53):
Yeah, well just before Trish comes in, that's exactly right.
One thing I've noticed is that ever since Nicola Willis
became an people have discussed in a disparaging way what
she looks like, whether it's her hair or makeup or
a dress or whatever. So I think you're right there.

Speaker 23 (01:01:07):
Can I say something? But can I say something about
the woman on the center?

Speaker 20 (01:01:12):
Right?

Speaker 23 (01:01:13):
There's that great saying about dress for the job you want.
And what I love about a lot of the women
that I see out and about doing these big jobs
is that they turn up with the hair done, their
makeup on, lipstick done, and a nice outfit you're describing yourself. No, no,
And I'm saying, actually, as someone who you know has

(01:01:38):
to watch politics, I think there is a standard that
needs to be upheld. Look at Winston Peters all these years,
he's always turned up looking immaculate because it's really important.
And on the flip side, I know last week he said,
you know that standards in Parliament had fallen. So I
thought Nicola did a fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
Job with that outfit on last on budget Day.

Speaker 23 (01:02:03):
And the other thing I did was on the weekend
I went and had a look at the fold where
apparently that dress had come from. And what I loved
about that site it's obviously a site for practical corporate
woman who want to look good and value a hard
working polyester crape that if you have an accident on
the road, you can actually rinse it out in the

(01:02:25):
bathroom and dry it over the radiator and you'll.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Still look a million bucks in crape.

Speaker 7 (01:02:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:02:29):
No, absolutely fantastic.

Speaker 24 (01:02:31):
Two very quick anecdotes to that. I once set up
a group with Sandra Lee of the former Man and
was a hockey politician who I worked for. We set
up a group called Socialists can wear lipstick too, and
it kind of mutated into socialists can go skiing as
well as things like that. So yes, woman on the
center left as well, Trish can dress well, put up,
they make up their walk paint and wear a nice

(01:02:52):
dress and high heels. And the other anecdotes I've got
is about Winston Peters, who once told me that he
wears a pin striped foit wherever he goes, even if
he's arriving in a hot Pacific country, because he gets
off a plane to greet a prime minister of a
small Pacific country, he shows them the same respect that
he would the president of the United States of America.

(01:03:12):
So I thought that was an interesting anecdote about his
clothing choice.

Speaker 23 (01:03:16):
That's fair too, it was well And I actually remember
a certain minister in the previous government seeing her do
a stand up at a senior ministerial meeting in Paris
wearing a pair of Chuck Taylor's that were undne and
I thought, this is absolutely unacceptable on the domestic political stage,
and particularly on the on the international stage. You need

(01:03:38):
to actually be dressing like.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
A grown up. Was she wearing track pants as well.

Speaker 23 (01:03:43):
A sort of nondescript pair of.

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
Comfort comfort pants. I would describe them ass, she says,
pulling her jacket around her in a.

Speaker 23 (01:03:54):
Peak at a good one hundred percent wool crape. I
will add this jacket.

Speaker 24 (01:04:00):
Talked about clothes and not pay equity.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
Like you know, we're just modeling from senior columnists who
apparently you can talk about everything as long as you
don't talk about pay equity. Thank you both, I appreciate.
I'm going to go put some lipstick on forthwith Joe
Spagani and Tris Sherson.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
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Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
Okay, So, two things. Number one, rich of Trish to
turn up here and criticize nanaiam A Hoosa's footwear. When
her boot broke on the way in so without a
word of a lie, so she had to go and
ask Yona down in the reception desk if she could
please borrow some salo tape. So she taped her boot.
She taped the sole of her boot to her boot,

(01:04:45):
and then she also just for added because she's a
practical woman, she also just put some elastic bands around
the top to make short and absolutely did not budge
number two. Did you know that it is a thing
right now on the internet to ask chat GPT if
you look hot or not. And the reason people are
doing this is because chat gpt is quite objective, right,
like if you can ask you mom if you look
ond on shep oh love. You're always beautiful, maybe a

(01:05:08):
little bit more lipstick, but now you're gorgeous, Like you
don't need that kind of a lie in your life.
What you wanted to go is, girl, you need to
lose twenty cages. That's what I need to hear right now.
So I went on chat GPT. I thought we've got
to try this out and let's say look. So I
uploaded a picture of myself. It was a weird pose,
like I definitely went yet Laura's shake nodding her head.
I definitely went a little bit too much, SATs, I see.

Speaker 14 (01:05:27):
You're already making excuses.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
This doesn't vot well, not enough, sobriety in my photograph,
do I look hot? Chat GPT said, you look confident
and stylish. The post outfit and expression will project a strong,
self assured vibe. Confidence is a big part of looking on.
You've definitely got that going on here, which is a
lot sas. That is a lot of sas coming from

(01:05:48):
chat GPT because it's trying to avoid the question. So
I was like, how can I improve my look tuck
with intention? Your shirt is tucked in neatly, the chat
GPT she reckons, I need a French tuck, add a
pop of color or texture, because what I've gone for
is a strong Courtney Cox early nineties friends vibe like
I'm wearing gray on gray on black on black. Right,

(01:06:10):
it's a black boot like and it's also what would
you describe that as, Laura, like a fake Doc Martin
lumberjack boot, Like I'm going into a boolin nightclub, aren't I?
That's what with piersings through everywhere else. Ay, that's what
it looks like. So I've definitely got my boy look on,
got that on with some dark gray, charcoal pants, charcoal top,

(01:06:30):
black belt. Anyway you want to hear more, you want
to hear more of chet GPT sas at me. Yeah,
it's coming because she gets sasy. She gets sasy. Nikola
will listen to us.

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Is with us out of the UK at seven past
six and with us right now is Nikola Willis the
Finance Minister, High Nicholer. Good evening here, now, did you
see that the police are not investigating one off shoplifts

(01:07:23):
of less than five hundred dollars.

Speaker 8 (01:07:25):
I've just been caught up with us. I've been on
our fight back from Nelson, where I've been handing over
money to the new hospital, and I've just had a
very brief brief on much.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
Okay, so this is what is happening, and it is
it's a bunch of other stuff as well. It's you know,
petrol theft of less than hundred and fifty dollars, online
scams of less than one thousand dollars. Reality is obviously
there are just not enough police to investigate everything. Will
you put more money in so they can have more
cops so we can get this stuff investigated.

Speaker 8 (01:07:51):
Well, we have put more money in here, and last
budget we put funding in for hundreds of extra police
and this budget we put an four hundreundred and twenty
million dollars extra so that the police we have have
greater resources with which to fight crime. So we are
committed to properly resourcing the police. Ultimately, they will make
their own operational decisions about how best to deploy their resources.

(01:08:15):
It's not a good thing for politicians to be dictating
where and how they police. But I'm always worried about
retail crime, both because I'm sympathetic to small business owners
and also because that has been the site of a
lot of violent crime in recent years. So it's been
good to see violent crime in retail spaces coming down.

(01:08:36):
It's been good to see the police working with retail
and z on other ways they can support shopkeepers and
the like to prevent this kind of crime. And I'd
expect there to continue to be police attention to these issues.

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
So do we just need to accept that this is
the reality. I mean, in a small country that's frankly broke.
There will be rationing, right, We're ration other stuff, we
rational healthcare, we have to ration police resources.

Speaker 8 (01:08:59):
Well, I think it's more that we have to trust
that the police will come up with what are the
big things that are going to make a fundamental difference,
and some of that will be about how they're actually
working with shopkeepers on what sorts of prevention tools they
can have in place, whether that's cameras or other things
that have had some success. We've got to trust that

(01:09:19):
the police will follow up on those repeat offenders, who
often are the ones doing multiple times.

Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
How do you think this is going to go down
with the public, Because basically what you're saying is, listen,
if somebody knicks something worth less than five hundred bucks
and it's one off, you're just going to have to
suck it up, retailer. That's a bit tough to swallow.

Speaker 8 (01:09:35):
Well, my message to anyone who thinks they're going to
steal something in New Zealanders.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
It's against the law.

Speaker 8 (01:09:42):
I'm going to get tell you, well, you could still
get caught, and if you are caught, you should be
facing the law.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
Right, Okay, what about I mean jeez, you realize how
weak that sounds. A well stop stricter as a parent
than that.

Speaker 8 (01:09:58):
Well, this is an operation matter for the police. I
don't know the full details of how they've come to
their decision making, what their decision making is based on.
I do accept that this is something that New Zealanders
will be very interested in. I imagine that it's something
that the Police Minister will be taking an interest in,
and that there'll be more detailed to be communicating about
on the coming back.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
Do you know, because I mean, it seems to me
if we're not going to rely on the police for
all of the stuff, it is going to be up
to retailers to rely on themselves to some extent. Do
you know where you guys are at with the citizens
arrest law? How far away away from getting that?

Speaker 8 (01:10:31):
I think that legislation is progressing, and I would expect
that giving Paul Goldsmith is in charge of it, but
it'll be in law pretty quickly, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
And then with the facial recognition technology, I saw that
you guys are looking at expanding what people are able
to do with that, retailers are able to do with that.
Do you know where that's at?

Speaker 8 (01:10:48):
Well, that's something again that Paul Goldsmith is working on
the balance there is between privacy laws but also giving
police all of the tools that they need to fight
crime and giving retailers those tools. And when I talk
about what are the modern approaches, that's one of them, right,
because if it's much easier to identify who did the crime,
then it's much easier for the police to do a

(01:11:08):
process well and keep.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
Them out right, just don't even get that store in
the first place. That's right now. Listen, really, I mean,
why are you bothering with the superannuation thing because you're
just going to get smacked down on this, aren't you
buy the public and Winston.

Speaker 21 (01:11:22):
I'm not.

Speaker 8 (01:11:23):
I've made it really clear that we're not planning any
changes to superannuation this term.

Speaker 3 (01:11:27):
No, but even if you take it to the election,
it's just going to prove incredibly unpopular, isn't it.

Speaker 8 (01:11:32):
But we haven't taken anything to the election. I've just
simply made two facts plain. The first is, on the
one hand, the cost of superannuation is growing significantly by
many billions of dollars in just the next few years.
And the other simple fact is that in order to
fund that over time New Zealanders will have to face
some choices about what we want that to look like.

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
Are you walking away from it because Luxeon said last week,
you guys are taking it to the next election.

Speaker 8 (01:12:00):
Well, he was very explicit that our position at the
last election, which was to gradually increase the age of eligibility,
which is quite a different thing from taking it away
from anyone. It's simply saying gradually looking at lifting the
age of eligibility. That that position at the last election,
he continues to think was the right one.

Speaker 3 (01:12:20):
He said six.

Speaker 8 (01:12:23):
Yeah, well there you go. But that is quite different
from what you've been talking about on your show, which
is taking away universal superannuation. And that is the expectation
that every taxpayer in New Zealand had.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
Oh no, no, no, no.

Speaker 8 (01:12:35):
When they get to sixty five, they get super.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
Well that's what he said. He said, you guys are
going to the next election twenty twenty six taking it
up to sixty seven.

Speaker 8 (01:12:43):
Yes, that's your wrong, but that would still be a
universal enticement, wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
I didn't talk about me, just.

Speaker 8 (01:12:48):
Did it, just an older just at an older age.

Speaker 3 (01:12:51):
Yeah, but you're not going to do that, are you? Nikola,
because I'm going to oppose you and everybody's going to
impose you.

Speaker 8 (01:12:56):
You mean on the age. Yeah, well, actually we'll have
the conversation as a caucus about what the parameters of
that will be and how campaign.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
On it are you got on this.

Speaker 8 (01:13:07):
No, I'm just being clear with you that what that
will look like will be different from the last election,
because obviously three years have gone past since then. New Zealand,
as we've pointed out in the past, is quite an
outlier when we compare ourselves to other countries and our
age of eligibility. New Zealanders are working for a lot longer,
they're living for a lot longer. And that super bill

(01:13:30):
is going up up, and it is my job to
be a teller of plain truths, and one of the
plain truths is that that super bill is going to
rock it up so high that inevitably a future government
either has a look at the settings, or wax a
lot more taxes on younger workings.

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
Or there's another or, or you can take away all
this middle class welfare that's going on at the moment,
like the third year free education for university, like all
his best start nonsense that happens working for family, which
is a disgrace, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. You can start taking
welfare away from working age peoples before you start taking
welfare aways from people who are welfare away from people

(01:14:09):
who are retired.

Speaker 8 (01:14:10):
Well, I'm proud to stand on the budget that we've
just delivered, where we've done a lot more targeting of
the welfare supports that are there with Kiwistava, including with
best Start. Well, I've been clear that in our next
budget we expect to continue to offer savings that will
allow us to prioritize investment into the things New Zealanders
really care about. Health services, education services, the police. That's

(01:14:33):
going to be an ongoing effort from us. But the
superannuation conversation, it's not a conversation for today. We don't
have a fully formed policy, but I think the Prime
Minister has been clear that this is an area that
we have some concerns about for the future.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
How do you feel about Saturday? You know what happens
on Saturday. A Saturday, You know what happens on Saturday.
Don't pretend you haven't already got this in your diary
and you're like lord, here we come.

Speaker 8 (01:14:57):
No, no, no, what happens on Saturday here? Seriously, you've
lost me, truthfully, you've lost me.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
David Seymour becomes the death.

Speaker 8 (01:15:04):
Right Okay, okay, well you can imagine that it's not
marked with an enormous love heart or anything on my calendar.
Why not when he becomes because I don't from my perspective,
not much will change here.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
That everything's going to change, Nicoler.

Speaker 8 (01:15:19):
No, I won't. He'll continue to have the same ministerial
responsibilities he currently does Whenston Peters will continue to be
the Minister for Foreign Affairs, Rail and Racing. Yes, and look,
the Deputy prime ministership doesn't come with its own special
set of responsibilities, except that when the Prime Minister is
out of the country you have to deal with it
is the acting PM, and you more every week.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
I know you have to. I want to say to you,
stop stop pretending. But I know you have to pretend
because you have to work with the guy. But Winston
is so charming and lovely, and David is David, isn't he.

Speaker 8 (01:15:55):
Well, look, everyone has their own special kind of charm,
don't they hear that? And no one's charm is quite
the same as another person. And I work successfully with
David Seymore, I work successfully with Winston Peters, and whichever
one of them is called Deputy Prime Minister from one
day to the next. To be honest, it won't alter
the way I work with them in any way, shape
or for.

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
You are good, Nicola, Thank you. I appreciate it, Nicola
Willis Finance Minister. That's like when your child comes to
you and is like, bummy, am I your favorite? And
you go, every one of you has a special place
in my heart, and then one of them is being
a little at the moment, and you go the bottom
place in my heart at the moment, isn't it? Seventeen
past six.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
It's the Heather Dupless Allen Drive Full Show podcast on
my Heart Radio, empowered by news dog Zebbi.

Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
Heather, you're such an insufferable boomer boot licker. Super is
middle class welfare writ large. Everything else pales you deeply
unseerious on fiscal responsibility, no one is allowed to touch
your Marxist universal benefit. And yet exactly right, listen what
I just want to I've mounted too many argument today
really to repeat them all over again about this, but
I will just add a further one to this right.

(01:17:05):
It is the shiny bums who think that it can
go up to sixty seven. It's people who like me
and Nikola and probably old abusive text over here, who
sit on our butts all day on our chairs, looking
at our computers and think that it's absolutely fine to
keep working for another two years. Tell that to a
builder at fifty five who's been lugging around gigantic pieces
of timber since they were about sixteen years old and

(01:17:27):
their body is broken. Because I'll tell you what I
did building for a couple of years, and I am
still paying for it eight or nine years later, and
I didn't even do it as a full time job.
I probably had terrible technique. But that staff does so
much harm to your body. So you tell that to
a builder and somebody who works who uses their body
for a job, they need to stop at sixty five
six twenty one. Shane Soley Harbor Asset Management is with

(01:17:48):
us right now, Hey, Shane, Hey, Now, how have the
markets reacted to this ongoing nonsense from Donald Trump?

Speaker 6 (01:17:55):
So on Friday, mister Trump, He's threatened to impose a
fifty cent tariff on the European Universe from the first
of June because they are being slow and doing a
deal with them. And he also said, I'm going to
slap our twenty five percent, terrifying Apple and any of
the device makers of the dance start moving to The
US schar market didn't really like it. The U s
shehar Mark, with down about point seven percent. US bond
markets are flat. Not the reaction we've seen back in April,

(01:18:17):
when someone like this would have seen markets lose their lunch.
So Pep's getting a little bit less less sensitive announcements.
Over the weekend. Sullivon Delayden, who is President of the
European Commission, set a phone called mister Trump said, lits
to a deal. Mister Trump said, let's ex tend things out.
So look, you know, it's just a reminder again that

(01:18:37):
we ad due faces on going uncertainty around tariffs. We've
got a holiday overnight in the US. What we can
see is that the market futures. This is people like
me bidding on tins of what they think is going
to happen. Have got the US market at one percent,
so we'll be up. You see our market pretty flat
and the day we're down slightly. The Sarmakers ten point
four percent bonds did nothing there. Interesting one is the

(01:19:00):
market is going anything US to sell US trades coming back,
and so the US dollar was the big decliner and
Serve the New Zealand dollars up to over sixty against
the US dollar again today, So yeah, there's a bit
of movement there.

Speaker 3 (01:19:12):
Obviously quite a few companies reporting this week. Who are
you going to be watching, Shane.

Speaker 6 (01:19:16):
Yeah, look well obviously globally in video is out on Wednesday.
That will be the bigg well Wednesday, US Thusday News
Yealand fifteen companies here in New Zealand. Big ones Wednesday,
Fish and Punk were health care and in Pratil Thursday,
we've got Main Freight in Rhyme and we've got five
real estate stocks. So far the results season has been
pretty good, so hopefully fingers Christ that trend continues over
the rest of the week.

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
What are you expecting from the OCR on Wednesday? I
mean it's obviously go down. Is it down by twenty five?
Down by fifty?

Speaker 6 (01:19:42):
Yeah? No, twenty five is what the market has priced
in it. So from three point five to three point
two five, it's all about the tone. Is there going
to be more cuts and win and that might in
turn be influenced by how much weight's placed on those
global factors like tariff risk, you know things. The pep's
gotten less bad. We all it's this thing, you know,
some New Zealand day to get a bit better. So,

(01:20:03):
you know, can I be talk about putting our paison maybe?
I think go back to what you were talking about
earlier on. I think the general public would like to
see a little bit more of a drop. The market's
only pricing and that the low point and the official
rate cycle is in the Vember twenty five, a little
way out. That's two point eighty five percent. So we
should get to three twenty five this week. It's whether

(01:20:24):
how fast and whether we get to twenty five will
be the key for markets.

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
Yeah, Shane, thanks very much. I really appreciate it. Shane Soley,
Harbor Asset Management, six twenty three.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
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Speaker 18 (01:20:44):
News talks that'd be here.

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
The try applying for a job over the age of sixty,
let alone sixty five that's from Alex here.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
This is from Andrea.

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
The fact that it's very hard to get a job
as you get older, highly skilled and experienced workers are
struggling to get jobs due to ageism and so on.
And so tell you what, if there's one thing that
I take away from what Nikola Will has just told
us before, it's that they have realized that that was
that was not a great thing to say, or or
they have realized that they have to go soft on
that policy because lux and when he was talking about

(01:21:12):
it on Friday, he mentioned it at least twice, maybe more,
but he said it on Kerry Show, and then he
said it to that post budget lunch that they were
going to go to the next election with sixty seven
as their policy. And now Nicholas sort of trying to
kind of, you know, fudge that a little bit and stuff.
And I maybe maybe maybe the benefit of a few
days of the weekend has given them the opportunity to

(01:21:33):
sit down and think about it, think about how tight
this election is going to be. Probably is going to
be quite tight, you know, short of a miracle, And
do you really want to lose a whole bunch of
voters who are going to head off to labor to
protect their super rather than vote for you when you
need them. And so I think I think that may
be part. I think that, Yeah, I think that may
be part of what we just saw. Also, by the way,
oh jeez, I'll tell you what you know. This is

(01:21:57):
the end of an era for Nikola Saturday, when old
Winnie p is no longer the Deputy Prime Minister and
in comes David. Because say what you like about Winnie,
but Winnie's a charming man. He can campaign, he campaigns hard,
but once he's in there, he's all statesmanlike and you know,
working together and trying to find a solution and stuff
like that. David, on the other hand, David has made

(01:22:22):
it a hobby of his in the last eighteen months
to call out the Prime Minister as often as possible.
So it's going to be very interesting to watch how
he does the old deputy prime ministership with them. Anyway, Ki,
we thanks Jerry Kurz with us next on why he
thinks the Reserve Bank on Wednesday should do a double
cut news Talk Zibbi.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
It's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather duplessy
Ellen with the business hour and mass insurance and investments,
Grow your wealth, Protect your future Newstalks v.

Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
Gavin gray Is with us out of the UK shortly.
Keep an eye on this one. The greyhound racing industry
is trying to overturn that ban on greyhound racing. The
industry is applying for a judicial review. They reckon the
government failed to inform, fail to prepare and fail to
consult on the ban. They got twenty months to wind
down from last November, so they've got a fair way
to go yet. But anyway, nobody's making any comic because

(01:23:19):
the matter is before the court. Keep an eye on
that's twenty four away from seven now. Kiwibanks says if
it was up to them, the ocr would be going
down all the way to three percent on Wednesday. The
cash rates currently at three and a half percent. The
Reserve Bank is widely expected to cut it. Jarika is
Kiwibank's chief economist, Hi Jared Good evening, what do you
expect in just twenty five basis points on Wednesday?

Speaker 20 (01:23:42):
I'll delivered twenty five, but they should lower the rack
and they are willing to cut below three percent. Does
the economy needs stimulus, not restraint.

Speaker 3 (01:23:52):
Why is there so much uncertainty about where this track
is going. I'll I'll tell you what, Jared turning around.
Your line's really dodgy, So if you hang up, we'll
give you a call back in the meantime. So we're
just hang on while the producers get him off on
the line quickly. I need to tell you this. I
don't know if you remember, but last year on the show,

(01:24:13):
I had a fight with Tim Brown, the Wellington City
councilor I can't remember exactly what we were talking about,
probably something to do with Tory Faner. But he was
making the point that actually they were doing a fantastic
jobs as Wellington City Council, and I pointed out to
him that they weren't because they weren't spending enough on
their pipes. Was His argument was, I was spending so
much money. It's a record amount of money on their pipes,
and I said, no, it's actually even though it's a
record amount of money, it's still a really small amount

(01:24:36):
of money. He wouldn't listen to me on that. I've
just got the figures to back me up, so I'm
going to read them to you. Very shortly. Jared, are
you back with us?

Speaker 18 (01:24:44):
Yes, I am apologies to that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:45):
No, that's absolutely fine. Now you're coming through loud and Claire.
Why is there so much uncertainty about where the Reserve
Bank is headed from here on in?

Speaker 20 (01:24:52):
Well, there's a lot of uncertainty offshore. So the way
we're looking at it is that these tariffs, no matter
how much they get dialed back and and turned back
towards ten percent, still a tariff across the world, Still
slower growth. We think that's a negative, and we also
think it puts deflationary pressure on the economy. So yeah,

(01:25:13):
we don't agree with the risks of upside inflation.

Speaker 3 (01:25:18):
What does the budget do? Do you think for the
Reserve Bank? Does it give it latitude to cut deeper?

Speaker 20 (01:25:24):
Yeah, it does. You have a government that is doing
a little bit with the invest boost, which is great,
but that won't that won't change the dial too much.
They are not pumping a lot of money into the
economy at all, and they've got quite a lot of
restraint later on. So it actually falls into much of
policy to do something to get this economy going.

Speaker 3 (01:25:47):
Okay, so when do you think you reckon it needs
to bottom out about two and a half percent.

Speaker 7 (01:25:52):
Is that run?

Speaker 4 (01:25:53):
Yeah, and when.

Speaker 20 (01:25:55):
The early is possible by the middle of this year,
we have a theoretical number bar four neutral, which is
a rate that doesn't hurt, doesn't stimulate, and that's about three.
So sitting at three and a half now, we're actually
still in territory where interstrates our restraining growth even though
we've been through a recession. So we're saying, actually get
it into stimatory territory and you know, let's kick start

(01:26:17):
the economy into next year.

Speaker 3 (01:26:18):
Jared, it's always good to talk to you. Thank you, mate.
That's Jared Kirk here, we Bank's chief economist.

Speaker 5 (01:26:22):
Ever do for.

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
I've got these figures and I want you to remember
this because Wellington City Council they will continuously use their
spend on water pipes as an example of them actually
being responsible with their money, and it is quite the opposite.
It is quite the opposite. These guys are profligate with
their money. They haven't spent enough on pipes and it
is the one thing that they should be absolutely strung
up for. Here we go up to April thirty this year,

(01:26:47):
poor to not known as the most wealthy part of Wellington.
If you catch my drift. Poor it to is spent
forty three million dollars on pipe replacements per capita. That's
six hundred and eighty six dollars. Hot City spent per
capita three hundred and ninety one. Upper Huts spent per
capita two hundred and seventy five. Wellington City spent per

(01:27:11):
capita one hundred and seventy nine dollars per person. One
let's round it up. Let's be generous to them. One
hundred and eighty dollars per person versus portadoers six hundred
and eighty dollars per person is like a quarter almost,
It's a round about a quarter of what port Do
is spending. Port To we replaced. Oh no, wait, wait

(01:27:33):
wait wait we get today upper huts. So Hot City replaced.
In terms of how many pipes, how the length of
pipes nine point three k's of pipes right, Upper Hut
did one point seven k's of pipes. Wellington replaced six
hundred and forty meters of pipes six hundred and forty
meters versus Hot City at nine point three k's. Portad

(01:27:56):
did about round about the same amount. Six hundred and
forty meters. They have less than a third of the
population of Wellington City. So it just goes to show
Wellington City is underperforming big time on pipes. And if
they ever go to you, I'll know where it's a
record amount. Well, what does that tell you about how
much they were spending beforehand? If this is some sort
of thing that they're growing about at the moment. Gavin

(01:28:16):
Gray's next nineteen Away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:28:18):
Whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics, it's all
on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Hellen and Mass
insurance and investments, Grow your wealth, protect your future, use.

Speaker 6 (01:28:30):
Dogs, end me.

Speaker 3 (01:28:31):
Oh, by the way, quick shout out to Turner's Automotive.
These guys, you know, turn is my favorite company at
the moment, based solely on a good ad. That's how
easy it is. They have just returned another record profits.
A profit is up seventeen percent, Dividends are up almost
three hundred percent. In just the last ten years, they
were paying twenty fifteen they're paying ten cents. Now they're
paying twenty nine cents. And this is impressive given what

(01:28:53):
has gone on with the economic recession we're in. And
can I just say in no small part because of
the ads. Right, you want to do well as a business,
just get yourself some good heads and maybe a good
business strategy as well. Sixteen away from seven and Gavin
Gray are UK correspondents with US. Hello, Gevin, Hi there.
So all it took was a very good phone call
with Donald Trump.

Speaker 10 (01:29:13):
Yeah, so it would appear so overnight news here coming
in that the EU is going to be given more
time with the US to try and come to some
trade deal. And that's been after some pretty sparky exchanges
between the pair. Just looking back at the history of
all this, of course, Donald Trumper announced last month of

(01:29:35):
twenty percent tariff on most EU goods. It was later
half to ten percent, allowing time for more negotiations. That
ten percent was going to run until the eighth of July.
Then on Friday he said, I'm really really frustrated with
the negotiations. He says, the EU is just playing along,
and so he said, right, we're going to slap fifty
percent tariffs on are by the first of June. However,

(01:29:57):
over the weekend it would appear, as you said, good
phone call between the European Commissioner Ursula vonderlyon and Donald Trump,
in which they now have put things on ice, and
it looks like that they are going to continue discussing
things with a new deadline of the ninth of July.
Donald Trump long criticizing what he says is an unfair

(01:30:18):
trade relationship with the EU. In other words, the US
imports more from the EU than the other way round.
But at the moment, at least more time for consultation,
which will be a huge sigh of relief for some
countries across Europe.

Speaker 3 (01:30:32):
What are we expecting to be out of the Supreme
Court today?

Speaker 10 (01:30:36):
Very interesting judgment coming up here. There's a lot of
detail in this and I'll try and keep it simple,
but basically, two former city finance traders were jailed in
this country for rigging the interest rates, in other words,
fixing them artificially to create a bigger fees. However, there
have been concerns raised by senior politicians here that they

(01:30:58):
may have been series of miscarriages of justice. Now, in all,
there were nine criminal trials, and if the Supreme Court
rules that there has been a miscarriage of justice, it
could lead to a quashing of all the remaining convictions.
Now Tom Hayes is the name of a former trader
at the Swiss Bank UBS. He became the first banker

(01:31:19):
to be jailed for rigging interest rates back in twenty fifteen.
He was accused as well in the United States of
being a ring master of an international fraud conspiracy and
sentenced to fourteen excuse me, sentenced to fourteen years in jail.

Speaker 18 (01:31:34):
He was not alone.

Speaker 10 (01:31:35):
But since then there have been all sorts of talks
about actually they were encouraged by the governments of their
own countries to do this, and actually what they did
wasn't illegal. It was just a bit naughty sort of thing.
So that's what the Supreme Court is looking at today.
But as I said, far reaching consequences for the other
court cases that involved this so called rigging scandal.

Speaker 3 (01:31:56):
Kevin, what do you make of this renationalization of south
Western Railway?

Speaker 10 (01:32:01):
Yeah, fascinated this. So the railways here were always, of
course in the government hands until under Margaret Thatcher's government
it was decided that they were going to be privatized,
but not all the train services were privatized to one company.
In fact, it was split to about a dozen different companies.
So if you were going on a long journey, you

(01:32:23):
may well be buying a ticket, but in fact that
money would be split between the different train companies operating
the different routes. It's never been perfect by any means,
but a lot of people believe it was a lot
better than under the days of the old British rail
were the new government Labor government always said when these
contracts come up for renewal, we will renationalize, and the

(01:32:45):
first contract for south Western Railway, which operates services out
of London to the southwest of England, has now expired
and has now become renationalized. It's very interesting the first
of many contracts coming up in the next year or so,
and interesting that the Transport Minister wouldn't say what it

(01:33:05):
would mean for ticket prices, but did say it would
mean more money invested in the railway infrastructure. Either way, Labor,
the party that's come up with this, I think, is
going to have to show people that it is better
under nationalization. But plenty of people with a long memory
Heather will think back to those days in the seventies
early eighties. I think it was when frankly British rail

(01:33:28):
well it seemed to be not working more the days
than it was working. However, one sad reminder the very
first service, the early morning service that started well, there
was a bit of a train, but then you had
to get on a bus because they were doing work.

Speaker 2 (01:33:43):
On the lagh.

Speaker 3 (01:33:44):
How annoying. Hey, thank you very much, Kevin appreciated. Kevin Gray,
how UK correspondent. Listen when we were talking about the badget,
I said to you my favorite thing out of the
budget was the two hundred million dollars that had been
set aside potentially to invest for the Crown to invest
in some gas exploration with a private company take a
steak in it. It seems like this has maybe been

(01:34:06):
met with a reasonable, like a low level but reasonable
amount of I don't want to say enthusiasm. It's just
been well received. Let's just say it's been well like.
It hasn't been poo pooed, It hasn't been run out
of town as an idea, it hasn't been dumped on
from a huge height. It's just been quietly well received.
Apparently the exploration. The fields most likely to benefit from

(01:34:29):
this should the government take a stake are Marwi East,
which is owing the controlled which is off the coast
of Tartanuki, the Karewa Block which is run by Todd
Energy off the coast of Khafia, and then the toto
Y Prospect off the coast of Amaru, where OMV holds
a seventy percent shareholding Todd Energy, which as I said,
has got the Karrea Were block. Said the announcement removed

(01:34:52):
some sovereign risk. Now that is important because it's I
mean that is so dry like removed some sovereign risk.
Who cares? But that basically is the reason that nobody
is going in for gas. So it removes some sovereign risk,
not all, some at least were stepped in the right direction.
Here's hoping we actually get some digging in the ground.
Ten away from seven, it's the.

Speaker 1 (01:35:14):
Heather too for see allan Drive Full Show podcast on
iHeartRadio powered by Newstalk zby.

Speaker 3 (01:35:23):
Seven away from seven. I don't know if you've been
following this has been an alleged rift between Meghan Markle
and the former British Vogue editor Edward Enninfhil. But there's
even more to it than we already knew. They fell
out apparently because apparently what happened is that UK Vogue
wanted to do a story with Meghan, which is bold
in September twenty twenty two, by the way, which is

(01:35:43):
wasn't that after that she had already left. I'd already
left by then. So that's a bold thing to do,
because you're just going to wind up the British public,
as the British public hate Harry and Meghan now. Anyway,
so the editor wanted her on the cover of Vogue.
She wanted to be in it. But then not only
did she want that cover, she also wanted to have
a global cover, which means that she wanted to be
on the front cover of UK and US Vogue at

(01:36:04):
exactly the same time. And she wanted control over the photographer,
and she want to control over the writer, and she
want to control over the final edit, and she want
to control over the photos, and she want to control
over the cover lines. And he said no. And then
she tried to get Anna Winter involved and he said no,
and then they stopped being friends. And you can see it,
you can see why. Okay, now to fashion, So I
said to chat GPT as I was telling you, right,

(01:36:24):
I was like, how can I improve this look that
I am rocking today, which is charcoal gray on charcoal
gray on black, boot on black belt right, and chat
GPT came back. The point of this is you can
go to chat GPT. If you don't have a loved
one in your life you can trust to tell you
what you look like and whether it's looking good. You
can go to chat GPT and it'll be objective about it.

(01:36:44):
Chat gp T said to me, Look, the boots work well,
but you could try a healed ankle boot or a
sleek sneaker for a different flare. All the boots worked well,
thank you. Your necklace is minimal heather, which is chic.
Layering it with a shorter or longer piece could add
a little boldness without going overboard hair. Your hair looks
healthy and voluminous heather. If you're experimenting soft waves or

(01:37:07):
a sidepart could shift the vibe. So it's just a
little bit of like touching up here, and they're like,
it's just like you're actually doing okay. You're doing okay.
But then a genuine smile or a smise which is
smiling with the eyes could subtly change the tone. I was, oh,
not enough of a smile. I didn't think we didn't well, actually,
the producer Laura. She didn't think it was critical enough,

(01:37:30):
so she was like, why don't you just ask it
to be critical? So I said, if you had to
criticize something, what would it be. And after plenty of prompting,
finally much like a husband, lots of prompting to finally
get there. To hurt your feelings. Your T shirt is
a problem. Apparently simple and casual, but it looks slightly
bulky or stuff, especially around the shoulders and sleeves, and

(01:37:50):
does it don't let a look.

Speaker 14 (01:37:51):
Oh well, like I can comment on this, Heather, I'm
wearing a green magneto T shirt that like is baggy
around my belly. I can't possibly tell you whether.

Speaker 3 (01:37:59):
It te sh it looks good anyway, so it gave
me a bit of sass.

Speaker 14 (01:38:01):
I think the point of the the whole point of
the robot though, right is it's going to be objective,
but you had to like go through as many layers
of it trying to be polite as you would with
a human.

Speaker 4 (01:38:09):
There really no no, no, no, no no.

Speaker 3 (01:38:13):
What it is is that I just look cool and
so it had nothing to criticize as should we try
you tomorrow? I can't hear you are you talking?

Speaker 14 (01:38:24):
Oh yeah, the robot is going to find.

Speaker 3 (01:38:25):
Some My gosh, you didn't even turn I turn my
microphone on.

Speaker 14 (01:38:28):
No, no, okay, yep, ch actually you can my technique
as well. One Republic. I ain't worried to play us
out tonight. This is good news. They are coming to
New Zealand. They will be doing the Sweet It will
be a stop on their Sweet Escape Tour, just the
one stop that will be in Auckland, so you will
have to get up to there for that. It is
next February twenty twenty six, and Zara Larson will be
the support actor as a pop singer who's actually quite good.

(01:38:50):
So if you go along, you definitely go for the
earlier act as well.

Speaker 3 (01:38:53):
One Republic strikes me as kind of like Ed Sheeran,
but like the band version. You know, they pumped out
so many songs.

Speaker 14 (01:39:01):
If it was just d Shearan, but he never did
any of his sad ones. If it was just like
all the upbeat ones they used to do sad ones
back in the day, but all the famous ones since
then have been a bit more like this.

Speaker 3 (01:39:09):
Yes, but it's one of those ones where you'd hear
it and you don't know it, and somebody goes, that's
one republic.

Speaker 1 (01:39:13):
You go.

Speaker 2 (01:39:15):
Like that.

Speaker 3 (01:39:16):
Their catalog is bigger than you think, isn't it.

Speaker 14 (01:39:18):
Yeah, they've had I think they've had like two at
least two number ones in New zeal It's not just.

Speaker 3 (01:39:21):
Like just so honestly listen to you turn your mic off.
We don't need to hear that nonsense anymore. See tomorrow
used to be.

Speaker 4 (01:39:56):
Swimming, I Am worried about.

Speaker 1 (01:40:11):
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