Full Show Podcast: 26 November 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with One New Zealand to
coverage like no one else news talks.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
Hev afternoon, Welcome to the show coming up today. The
ocr has been cut yay by another twenty five basis points.
The outgoing governor is with us after five o'clock. Anita Baker,
the Porta do A mayor, is going to talk us
through how she feels about the extra work she has now.
Regial councils are going to be scrapped. And the AA
on the crash data that shows we're having fewer crashes

(00:32):
because we've got more tech in our cars.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Heather Duplicy Ellen.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
So the Ports of Auckland Boss Rodger Gray is onto something,
isn't he. We are a country that loves to say no.
He said in a speech to a crowd at the
Royal New Zealand Yacht Squadron in Auckland that he went
to Miami to speak to four major cruise liners to
find out why the cruise ships aren't coming here as
much as they used to. And he apparently, he says
that apparently they call us No Zealand because we just

(00:57):
say no to everything. Is he wrong? I mean, look
at the news that's been around just for the last
couple of days.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Santana wants to dig seven billion dollars worth of gold
out of the ground near Cromwell. The locals say no.
Eric Stanford wants to change the curriculum so our kids
can actually get a decent international education and have a
future ahead of them. The Union say no. Chris Bishop
wants to scrap regional councils because they just waste everyone's
time and money and say no no to things. In
The perpetually concerned looked at that and said, nah, we

(01:26):
say no so much that the government has created the
fast track approvals process to basically bulldoze through all the
no's they know are going to come. Some of it
is the rules that we've created for ourselves, right. The
RMA is just one giant no factory. But some of
it I think is actually cultural. We have a great
life here in New Zealand. Even if you're rich or poort, whatever,

(01:47):
whatever your circumstances, you can enjoy your life in New Zealand.
Temperatures aren't too extreme. There aren't creatures trying to kill
you all the time, like in Australia, foreign enemies aren't
trying to kill us all the time. Like places in Europe.
We don't actually really have to struggle too much to
get by, so we can cruise, and so we do cruise.
So we just don't try. So we just say no.
We just don't want to change that much. On the

(02:09):
bright side, I think this attitude is changing at the minute.
I mean, I hate to make things about politics all
the time and look to politicians for help. But I
think it is because we have some brave political leaders
at the moment who are prepared to ruffle some feathers.
The Mayor of Auckland who was just getting on with
changing the port and making money for the city. The
Roma Minister christ Bishop who's scrapping the regional councils, which
is a massive thing to do. Everyone's crush Erica Stanford,

(02:30):
who's completely overhauling your education despite the educator saying no
to her. So when we have to say yes, when
the going gets tough like it is right now, I
think that we can say yes. My hope is though,
that we get stuck in the yes setting, we stay
here and break the habit of the constant, no setting.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
For ever do for c Ellens.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
Nine, who is the text number standard text fece of
Fly and Roger Gray is going to be with us
after five point thirty and talk us through what he's
had to say now. The twenty twenty six edition of
One Love Festival in Totunger has been canceled. The organizers
said on social media that because of the cost of
living crisis and the unforeseen developments behind the scenes, they've
made the decision not to hold the festival this time around,

(03:13):
and they're going to try again in twenty twenty seven.
But and there is a big butt here. One Love
is owned by one of the organizers of Juicy Fest
and the Timeless Summer Tour. And you know what happened
with that? A yeah, they both got canceled too. Brent
Eckeles doesn't have anything to do with One Love, thank
the good Lord. But he is a concert promoter who
knows this stuff and he's with us. Now, Hi, Brent,

(03:34):
how you doing? I'm very well, thank you? So what
do you reckon? Is this about the economy or is
this about this lot Being part of a group of
people who seem to be organizing festivals to just get canceled.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
I think festivals have run a course and One Love
has been successful quite some time. May have just have
to pause to read Group. And I think that the
promoters have had a rough run recent so they're perhaps
licking their wounds and working out the next steps.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
I think, Okay, is it a difficult time to be
running festivals at the minute.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
Well not if you're Electric Avenue, which is the most
successful festival in Australasia. And I think that you know,
Rhythm and Vines are doing very well with them else
doing very well. You know, it depends. I mean that
the festivals. What is the festival? Is it just a
lineup of artists or something with an ethos? And I
think festivals have an ethos. The ones that stick around

(04:31):
they stick to that and they do quite well. Electric
Gavenue is a great example. I think with One Love
they seem to have an ethos at the start, but
it seemed to fade and they've got themselves in a
spider byther. I think they'll read Group and come back.
But nothing to do with the economy, I don't think.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
Ah, okay, So does that mean then, Brent, if you
don't think it's got anything to do with the economy.
If you were a punter out there who's got a
ticket to a festival over summer, not this festival obviously,
but any other one, you don't need to stress out.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
It should be okay, no, no, it should be fine,
you know, particularly the bigger ones. If if it's a
brand new festival, maybe you want to think about who's
running that. But I think I think in general the
word I hear out there that they're all doing pretty well.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
Okay, now tell me what to do. Tell me what
to do if you are a punter, because what happened
to me, Brent is I bought tickets to Snoop Dogg, right,
and yes, yeah you remember, and there was this lot
who was involved with Snoop Dogg as well. And then
of course I'm like, oh lord, here we go, and
then I got canceled. Is there a way, so this
is like the fourth cancelation in recent times for this crowd?

(05:33):
Is there a way when you when you see something
being promoted to actually double check whether the people are
legit or this crowd?

Speaker 4 (05:42):
I think, look at who the ticket is, and it's
a reputable ticket of someone you know, then that's a
good starting point and have a look at who the
promoter is and just google them and see what their
reputation is.

Speaker 5 (05:56):
Like.

Speaker 4 (05:57):
Well, I think that the realm in which some promoters work,
like in reggae or things like Snoopers kind of it's
always a bit hit and mess anyway, And I don't
think with that particular example Snoop was it was the
promoter's fault, just he just decided not to come on.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
Oh what if a brand you're being I'm sure you're
being far too kind, because it was it was, it
was announced and it was going to be on the
next month, and it was it was old mate Pato again,
and I just looked at it and I thought, I'm
taking a chance with my dollars here.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
Yeah. Yeah, Well, I mean to check out who the
promoter is, if the reputable s, if they've done lots
of shows. I mean, that's what he can do as
the front.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
Now, what happened with Snoop was fascinating was that actually
everybody could get their money back because the money had
not actually gone to the promoter, but it had been
held in a trust or something like that had been
ring fenced. Is that something that should we be doing
that in any case, just as a matter of course.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
Well, that's probably because the venue Snoop was playing was
controlled by Auckland Stadiums, who would have insisted in money
it goes through ticket Master. That ticket Master hold the
money in trust. Other tickets don't they give back to
the promoter. And I've been saying this for years, this
is going to be a disaster here, and it certainly
had happened with with with the Juicy Fest and the

(07:10):
other one. So but the promoters hold their money in trust,
ticket Marsters, ticket check Access, a couple of others. That's safe.
But how these other guys are allowed to give them
money back to the promoters or a Ponzi scheme? How
how does the government allow allow it to happen. I
mean there's been a noise about it for rases, nothing's happened.

(07:31):
They still doing it.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
Yeah, yeah, Now listen, Brent. I don't know about you,
but I am just loving all the concerts we're getting
at the moment. You you, is it just me? Or
is it actually quite like a Is there a little
bit of a thing going on?

Speaker 4 (07:44):
Absolutely? I mean New Zealand's a great destination and you
know there are lots of shows coming. I mean, I
can't keep up. And I think you'll find next year
with these new douvelment scheme that's going on, a lot
will be announced. Yeah, that will come through. Not maybe
in the first half of next year, maybe next summer
the b A lot comes through. It so very exciting
what's going on.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
I'm loving it. Brent, thanks very much, Brent Eccles, concert promoter.

Speaker 6 (08:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
I'm not gonna name names, but one of the members
of the concert club just text the other two and
said to us, oh, guys, sorry, I'm going to Lewis
Capaldi next week and you're not coming. And we all
thought we were going to us. We all thought we
were going to Lewis Capaldi together because we decided we
were like, yes, we are. Do you know the story
of Lewis Capaldi. Lewis Capaldi went in, it was at Glastonbury,

(08:30):
played it at Glastonbury and then got because he's got
a really bad tick. He's got tourettes or something, and
he started ticking on stage and he couldn't sing us
and the crowd sang the song with him and got
him through. And then he's gone back and he's done
it anyway. So he's a big crier. He's like Jacinda
just loves a cry and we were there for it.
We were like, we want to go and see this guy.
He's epak, He's going to cry on and then she's
done it without us anyway. I hope, I hope. I

(08:51):
hope something bad. I hope, I hope something bad happens
to the concerts so she gets I hope it turns
out Pato's involved with that one and nothing happens. She
doesn't get her money back anyway. Darcy's next sixteen past four.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
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Speaker 3 (09:11):
Be Heather No Zealand spot on. We were people with
the candy attitude and the number eight wire mentality, and
we were known for it. Then came labor and the
mentality they spread. I know, Ry, I love to blame labor,
but I don't think it's I don't think it's fair
to blame labor. This goes back further than just in
it and Chippy in there. It's ingrained in our culture.
We love a good no. Nineteen past four.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Sport with Tab Power plays better than lot. Bigger odds
are eighteen bet responsibly.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Darcy water Grave sports talkhosters of that sallow dart.

Speaker 6 (09:40):
Yeah, I think number eight wire attitude kind of started
shrinking when the distance between us and the rest of
the world also shrank. We just didn't need to have
it anymore.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
We d have You even had number eight wire in
your hand, No, I.

Speaker 6 (09:54):
Had slightly lesser than number eight, not quite that thick.
So I needed to be light because I was Okay,
I made a whole lot of paper monsters out of
a paper monster fold away book, right, and I made
them all with my daughter, And what can I do
with them? And say, oh, I know, I can attach
them to the chandelier because that schandalier is ugly. So
I got some wire, and as a direct result, in

(10:16):
my living room, I've got twenty paper monsters.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
So let me just paint a picture for myself. Here,
you've got twenty pack monsters hanging from your schandalier, and
you've also got jars on your window filled with the
little sushi fish.

Speaker 6 (10:28):
Yeah, and there's a huge, big floral arrangement on the
other chandelier, complete with birds all the way.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
Through it peaking white eccentric.

Speaker 6 (10:35):
You want to see the ferraris that I've got racing
across my living room as well. I'm up to about
twenty five now and they're running right across the wall,
right up over one door and out the other side.
It's the ADHD. I need a lot of color and
a lot of entertainment in my life. I can't do
Bland lost me nuts.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
Okay, you the pool for the t twenty how's it looking.

Speaker 6 (10:54):
Well, we're opening the Tournament of the black Caps on
February eighth against Afghanistani Channi. Now this is a place
that takes a bit of turn in Afghanistan a quite
hand you at the turning delivery, so that could be challenging.
We also have South Africa in our Paul too, so
got to kind of get through first in the top
couple before we get into the knockout stages. So Afghanistan

(11:15):
will be a threat. And saying that if we've got
a guy like getting Phillips back again, who is brutal
with the back, but he's also got a magic hand
when it comes to spinning, and of course Mitchell Santna
right up at the top of the world. He's Sodi
We're actually pretty good in those conditions. And now this
turnament being held in India again unless you're Pakistan, in
which case you're gonna play the games in Sri Lanka

(11:38):
because you know.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
I don't know something about something that's happening.

Speaker 6 (11:42):
And Fagistan and India doesn't worry.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
Do you agree with myself and answer the producer ways
and even your producer Corbyn? Is it Corbyn who agrees
with us that the Blues away jersey is hideous?

Speaker 6 (11:53):
Yeah, but it had weird one anyway because he's a
Blues fan.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
Right, it's hurdeous though jerseys and jerseys.

Speaker 6 (11:58):
Right, does it really matter whether they are they represent
your fandol?

Speaker 3 (12:03):
What is going on here? It's ugly to look at.
And what is going on is that Super Rugby has
started turning their jerseys into the monstrosities that you see
on the NRL field, just full of stripes and patches
and colors and all of these like advertising.

Speaker 6 (12:16):
It's just you want to see them in a Hessian sack.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Why can't they just pack one color? Why can't they
go wear the brass no money?

Speaker 6 (12:23):
Do you remember the Warriors from back in the day
under Wayne's scur that about thirty jerseys a day.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
But then put all your sponsorship all over your blue jersey.
But it's blue and stripes, and that it's just too much.

Speaker 6 (12:33):
As how do I thought you saying that own here?
Once I finished my press up regime you wanted a
picture of me nude from the shirt up. I thought
maybe you'd want spray painted uniforms on the players so
you get at their rigs.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
I wouldn't say no, no, of course you wouldn't know. Okay,
thank you, Darcy, appreciate it. Massive water graves coast. You'd
be back at seven twenty two.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 5 (12:59):
Original councils are going Chris Bishops and charge of it all.

Speaker 7 (13:02):
I mean it was a big call for us because
resource management is massive, right, It's going to strip out
layers and layers and duplications and strip costs out of
the system.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
So interesting area because no one cares, No one turns
up to vote, no one gives them monkeys.

Speaker 7 (13:14):
Well I think no one cares, partly because they can't
understand it. How many people out there listening could actually
name their regional council.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Chair and then of course you've got all the confusion right.

Speaker 7 (13:22):
So in Wellington where I'm from, for example, the Regional
Council runs the buses, but the Wellington City Council works
out where you can actually put a bus stop.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
For example.

Speaker 7 (13:29):
There's enormous levels of complexity and complication that people just
don't understand.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
Mayley's Real Estate News Talk z B. The name you
trust to get the answers you need, it's Heather Duplicyl
and drive with one New Zealand coverage like no one
else News Talk ZBB.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Heather.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
I was a food vendor at one Love last year.
They had barely two or three thousand people there at
the most. It was a complete joke. The promotion and
the ticket prices were their issue. It's coming up to
twenty six past four now, so as you've already caught up,
the official cash rate has been cut to two point
two five percent, so it's been cut by twenty five
basis points. This is now the lowest point that it's
been in three years. It was a split decision, so

(14:10):
five of them voted to cut by twenty five. One
of them voted to stay Christian Hawks, and they're really
pushing back. They're resisting the idea that they should be
cutting in order to kind of facilitate the economic recovery,
because it's obviously not their job. Their job is inflation.
But Christian hawksby said, the economic recovery is actually underway already.

Speaker 8 (14:26):
We're seeing it through consumer spending picking up. We're seeing
signs of the labor market stabilizing and turning, employment picking
up hours worked. We're not waiting for a recovery. It's
happening right now through Q three and Q four.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
Well, I mean, it is happening, but Jesus a grind,
isn't it. This is what he thinks is going to
happen to the house prices.

Speaker 8 (14:47):
House prices and so we think that they'll grow roughly
in line with income growth over.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
The next few years.

Speaker 8 (14:55):
And that's that's a good place to be in.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
He is going to be with us. Actually after five
o'clock last time I checked, this is the only interview
that he's doing today in terms of like, in terms
of radio outside of the this is the Let me
just rephrase that, so we can just let's totally pump
our own ties why don't we're We're not a country
of no, We're a country of yees. Today we're going
to pump our own ties. This is the only interview
that he's doing outside of his pest conference today, So

(15:21):
stay tuned because after five o'clock you're going to hear
him here. The no Rugby shirt can be worse than
the Highlander's green away strip. It's hard to argue with
that's pretty That's pretty ugly, isn't it. News is next.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in
your car on your drive home. It's Heather dup c
Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and the power of
satellite mobile news talk said be.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
Here the Roger from the Ports of Auckland spoke on
Jack TAM's Special Night. He was very good, he was positive.
He supported his comments by data from Import and Exports
at somebody. He was refreshing to hear that from Keith
from Kai Futdterfudder. Roger Gray is a good dude. Can
I just say that, like you, He's the kind of
guy who you would like to have a beer with.
He's a good sort. I mean he wears those ridiculous

(16:23):
you know John Kerwin glasses that always mark you out
as an Aucklander. Like in Auckland. Do we look at it,
We go, oh, yeah, that's those are glasses. The rest
of the country looks at them and goes, what the
hell is that on your face? He's one of those guys.
So you know, he's a bit of a city slicker,
but he's a really cool guy. He actually the rumor
around town is that he was he was in the
running for the job at in New Zealand because he

(16:46):
used to work at in New Zealand ages ago. Do
you know what, I would have given it to him.
That guy is awesome at what has got aviation experience.
It's froun Ports of Auckland brilliantly. Now they're turning turning
money around like they haven't before. Why he didn't get
the job as quite beyond me. Anyway, He's with us
in an hour's time, twenty four away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Ukrainian official saying a cord has been reached with the
US on peace negotiations. The US Envoy Steve Witkoff is
going to travel to Moscow and try to get the
Russians on board. Of the two. Donald Trump has spoken
to reporters on Air Force One.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
I don't have a deadline, Actus. You know what the
deadline for me is when it's over.

Speaker 9 (17:26):
And I don't think everybody started a voting at this
world was suppressed.

Speaker 10 (17:30):
They're losing kill many people.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
Inflation in Australia has increased to three point eight percent.
This is the highest level in sixteen months. The Treasurer,
Jim Chalmers says it could be worse annual.

Speaker 5 (17:39):
Through the year.

Speaker 11 (17:40):
Inflation is higher than we'd like, but it is much
much lower than we inherited from our predecessors.

Speaker 12 (17:47):
What we saw was.

Speaker 11 (17:48):
Inflation of zero point zero in October, but we do
acknowledge that through the year number was higher than we'd
like it to be.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
And finally, and English Schools, Teddy Bear has gone missing
after a trip to the upper atmosphere. Now, students at
Wolhampton School were invited to the launch of a high
altitude weather balloon and so what they did is they
strapped a couple of the school's tour is Bill the
Badger and Bradfield Bear to the balloon for a ride.
When the balloon reached the stratosphere, Bradford Bear fell off

(18:20):
and he's now missing, and the school reckons he's probably
landed somewhere near Reading. Thankfully, Bill the Badger stayed attached
to the balloon for the whole trip, and he's safely
back at the school.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
International Correspondence with ends and eye Insurance, Peace of mind
for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
Now, I haven't got the foggiest as to why we
told you that story, but what I'm going to tell
you is that's cool. Like that's a cool thing to
do as a school, isn't it? With us?

Speaker 5 (18:43):
Now?

Speaker 3 (18:43):
As Jonathan Cursley, US correspondent, Now, Jonathan, can.

Speaker 13 (18:47):
We get more schools to send stuff into space? Like
this is where stuff should be. Staf is fascinating. People
are fascinated by it. Let's get more stuff up there.
Let's get school kids interested. It's a wonderful world beyond
our world.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
It's technology, it's space, it's all of that. It's science.
And then what you do as well as you get
them in the little little little footwear, and then you
get them out around reading trying to find the best
and then you've got pe as well.

Speaker 13 (19:13):
Like this is what it's all about. Like anybody that
should be not know what our worth, what our world has. Well,
you know, go explore what we have and let's send
more weather balloons, let's send more space stuff up. Let's
say school's interested. Kids, It's a multi million dollar idea.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
Be concerned.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
Do you know what, Jonathan I reckon we should stop
otherwise they're going to try to get us to design
everyone's curriculum the way we're going now. Listen, this business
with Ukraine and Trump and the peace deal are starting
to sound positive. But the problem, I would imagine there
is going to be Russia. What do you think?

Speaker 13 (19:47):
Yeah, this is the multimillion dollar question. It is what
is Russia's response? I mean, you're already saying. Through Bloomberg
today leaked reports of Steve Wikoff, who is Donald Trump's
end boy to these peace deals, his idea on how
to coerce Russia into convincing Donald Trump this is the
best way forward. And President Trump responded in an Air

(20:07):
Force one a short time ago to these leaked audio recordings,
essentially saying, look, this is all standard practice. This is
what we do when we come to trying to deal
in these global communications and these global peace deals.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
But what you've got.

Speaker 13 (20:23):
Now is an often that's been put to Ukraine and
they have indicated yeah.

Speaker 14 (20:27):
Look it might be positive, but they want some changes.

Speaker 15 (20:30):
But ultimately it's going to come down to is Russia
going to accept those changes? Because what Russia is essentially
saying is the same thing it's said for years. Once
the Ukrainian territory. It wants Ukraine to not say that it's.

Speaker 10 (20:41):
Going to be part.

Speaker 13 (20:43):
It's put all of these stigmas into these protocols, This
twenty eight point piece Plankrane is going to actually want
its arm and it wants to make change.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
Yeah, hold on, Jonathan, We're we're going to get you
up on the phone because you know, for all of
the talk of science and technology, it would appear that
science and technology has failed us in terms of your
WhatsApp connection. So we'll just get you up on the phone.
Se if you can finish that while we're at it,
Can I just quickly draw your attention because we are
going to talk to Christian hawksby just draw your attention
to what he's had to say today. He wants this
is what he wants for next year. He wants the

(21:19):
Reserve Bank to stop being the news.

Speaker 8 (21:23):
We're looking forward into next year. We want to be
in a position where the reserve bank and monetary policy
is off the front pages, you know, bring back boring,
let everything else drive the economy and we can sit
in the back seat.

Speaker 5 (21:40):
Now.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
I don't know about you, but now that Adrian's out
of the building, that should be much more achievable than
it was before. Anyway, he's with us. After five, Jonathan
Kurzley is back with us. Jonathan, as you were, what
were you saying?

Speaker 14 (21:50):
Yeah, Look, this boils down to what is Russia going
to accept? Is it going to accept what Ukraine's counterposition is,
or is it going to say, essentially, these are our
lines in the sand and we're not moving because right now,
as it says, the twenty eight point plan that's been
put forward is largely the Russian position that was for
four years ago, right at the beginning of this conflict.
It says that you know, they don't want Russia to

(22:12):
be part of NATO. They don't want sorry, they don't
want Ukraini to be part of NATO. They don't want
you kind of consider it. They want you create to
reduce its own army. They want your crying to reduce
its own military forces. And this is the key question
moving forward in the next couple of days is how
much is Russia willing to move Because if it's not
willing to move iota, then this peace deal is not

(22:33):
a peace deal at all. It is off the table.
So this comes down to what is the Kremlin allowing
in terms of movability. I suppose if you like the
Ukrainian position to be, because Ukraine's going to come back
and they're going to say we want changes to X,
Y and Z, and they are going to want changes.
They've already indicated that they it's been reported their minor changes.

(22:54):
But if Russia doesn't agree to it, then the whole
thing's off the table.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
Yeap.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
And that all comes down to whether the Russia actually
where the Russia has got a hold on Trump and
whether the Trump can push them. Jonathan, appreciate your time
and thanks for changing lines for us. It's Jonathan Cursley,
US correspondent. Okay, so apparently we're crashing less, which is
fantastic because we have so much more tech in our
cars that stops us from crashing it and the numbers
are down like quite significantly. We've also got the So

(23:20):
that's the first thing to know, but the other things knows.
We've got the top ten collision hotspots around New Zealand,
and nine of the top ten are in Auckland, So
I mean some of that will be a population thing,
a lot of that will be a population thing, obviously,
don't know, don't know, don't with any of your other
stuff about Auckland is and stuff like. It's just it's

(23:40):
just because there's more of us anyway. So number one
most crashed place, Great South Road in Auckland. Well, I mean,
not only is it because we're full of like a
lot of people, but it's because we're big. Because what
do you know about Great South Road. It's a bloody marathon.
It literally is. It runs from the city center to

(24:02):
pass Puka Koe is forty two k's long. So obviously
it's going to be the most crashed place, and of
course it is anyway. Then ted Arco Drive in Auckland,
Great North Road and Auckland, Mannecou Road in Auckland, Lincoln
Road in Auckland, Dominion Road in Auckland, Don McKinnon drive,
Dominkinn and Drive. It will be because it's unusually fast
in the middle of the city like you go and
all of a sudden you're like sixty, Is that even

(24:25):
eighty or is that just what I do on Dom
McKinnon Drive, Mount Wellington Highway and Auckland Moorhouse Avenu in
christ Thanks for helping us out your good sorts New
North Road in Auckland. So anyway, don't come to Auckland
unless you're prepare to drive like us, which is a
bit nutty by the sounds of things. AA's Terry Collins
is going to There's so much more in this By
the way, there's some really fascinating stats which Terry Collins

(24:45):
will run us through when he's with us. After five o'clock.
It's sixteen away from five in politics as next.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Politics with centric credit, check your customers and get payments.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
Certady Heather, stop making excuses. Auckland's just full of bad drivers.
Next you'll be saying it's all the fault of the
visitors to Auckland. Well, Pete, you took the words right.
I didn't even have to say it. Thirteen away from
five Thomas Coglin, the Herald's political editors, with us Alo.

Speaker 16 (25:06):
Thomas had a good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
Now you reckon everybody's got the wrong end of the
stick here, and it's not actually regional councils that are
going to get scrapped. They are the ones who get
to stay.

Speaker 16 (25:14):
Yeah, well exactly. I think the language here is a
wee bit confusing and misleading. So the government has said
regional council laws are being abolished, and everyone's sort of
assumed that means that regional councils are going because I
guess you know, councilors. What do they do while they
sit around a council table. And if there are no
regional councilors, you don't have a regional council. And yet

(25:35):
the organization regional councils, they're sticking around Greater Wellington Regional Council,
Northern Regional Council, and I'm sorry, Shane Jones, Otiga Regional Council,
they are sticking around. Now, what is happening is that
when those councilors are gone, the regional MIAs from their
territorial authority. So that's your city councilors neat to need
in city council, Wellington City Council. You get the idea,

(25:55):
they come around the table and they decide what they
want for their region going forward. Government gets to approve
their plans and sets very high bars for a very
high bar for what plan those meors put forward. Now
fast forward a few years into the future. What is
very clearly happening, is it the government is wink quink, nudge,
nudge with a bit of stick, telling these meors to

(26:16):
amalgamate either services amalgamate, water amalgamate. You know, maybe rubbish
and stuff, transports largely amalgamated already, start amalgamating that. And
you know what, maybe you should amalgamate everything and turn
most of New Zealand into Auckland style unitary authorities, one
council top to bottom. That is what's clearly happening here. Yes,
regional councils are the ones at stay.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Okay, now hold on a second. So I definitely am
on board with what you're saying. It clearly is an
amalgamation that's going to have to happen across the country.
But where I'm where I want you to explain to me,
is do you because we've got two layers here. We've
got the regional council above the city and district councils.
If those guys the city and district councils amalgamate? Do
they amalgamate with themselves and with the regional council? Like

(27:00):
is it horizontal and vertical amalgamation? Yes?

Speaker 16 (27:03):
Yes, I believe that that is the most likely end.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
So you've got so in a place like gosh, let's
say Wellington, where you've got Wellington Regional Council, you've got
ht City lower hut porter to a carpety and Wellington.
Are you telling me that you get all those those
councils to amalgamate and then they suck up the regional
council one as well, and it's just this one big entity.

Speaker 16 (27:23):
Yes, I think that the endpoint is the greater Wellington
Regional Council just subsumes those smaller councils into it, and
then you have, you know, the Wellington Super City Council
or whatever they.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
Want to put it. This is semantics because because it's
they all survive. They all just survive in one It's
not that regional councils survive and the others die. They
all just get sucked up into one big thing, isn't it.

Speaker 16 (27:44):
Yeah, that's a that's possibly a more accurate, accurate way
of putting it is that everyone survives just in the
different different.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
But you you would have to see efficiencies here right,
You'd have to see people being fired left, right and center.
Otherwise you're just going to end up with huge numbers.

Speaker 16 (27:57):
Perhaps you saw used today Wellington City Council alone, so
that would be the largest council in that Wellington group,
and I think they were overstaffed by about three hundred people.
So that's just one of the councils. When you put
them that council plus another five councils into another bigger council,
you would expect some some efficiencies, quite big ones, i'd imagine.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
I mean, I want to see massive the like I
want to see seventy percent efficiencies. Do you know what
I mean? Or am I just dreaming?

Speaker 17 (28:24):
Oh?

Speaker 16 (28:24):
Look heither As a Wellington resident, I would be lying
if I said it I was not reminded on a
very regular basis of their efficiencies to be found our
local government.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
Could I play you something? This is Nicola Willis on
Nick Mills Wellington Morning Show National.

Speaker 18 (28:40):
We haven't come up with what our party position will
be after the election, so you could be as well.
We haven't ruled out repealing it either.

Speaker 10 (28:48):
Wow, that's not been talked about.

Speaker 18 (28:50):
Well, we haven't taken a position yet, but it's not
impossible that we would go to the campaign trail saying yes,
we met our coalition commitment, we supported that into law,
but actually we agree with the concerns of some people.
It hasn't operated as we hoped and we want to
repel it. We haven't come to a position yet, but
we're not ruling it out.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Thomas. This is about the Regulatory Standards Act. Does she
just spitballing or is National doing exactly the same thing
New Zealand first did, having voted for the thing last
week and passed it. Now they're changing their minds.

Speaker 16 (29:19):
Yeah, it's a bit of both. I think the holding
their cards very close to their chest. David Seymour last week,
after Winston said that he was he was thinking, well
he was going to campaign on repealing it. He said
that that was effectively Winston pivoting towards going with Labor again.
Now National's saying hold on, David Seymour, Actually, you know,
the coalition agreement binds us for one term. But as

(29:40):
we said around the coalition negotiation table in twenty twenty
six to form a new government. Actually, you know, anything's
back on the table. And if you really think this
Actor is working, and we don't think that it is working,
and we've campaigned on saying that it isn't working, well,
actually we need to have a discussion at that point
about who gets their way. I think it is a

(30:00):
very a very real prospect. Perhaps not, you know, it's
not sixty forty or seventy thirty, it's a but fifty
to fifty. I have to say that that National does
actually campaign on either changing it or repealing it. And
then David Seymour has to fight for the fight for
the Act, which is a very big part of act
sort of history. They've wanted it for decades or a
decade to keep it. So I think I think what

(30:23):
you're seeing here is the very start of coalition negotiations.
Twenty twenty six.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
Oh dear God. All right, okay, thank you, thank you.
Thomas Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editor. I have to
come back to this and just to take eight away
from five either, I just saw a crash on Great
South Road in Manyerewa. Well it is Great South Road
after all. I mean, there'll be several thousand crashes on
Great South Road at exactly the same time. By the way,
I confused Don McKinnon drive with Ian McKinnon drive just before.

(30:48):
Ian McKinnon drive is the one that goes really quickly
onto Dominion Road, like all of a sudden, you're like
where speeding and then you're on Dominion Road again. Don
McKinnon drive is the one in Albany that's just a
big circle and it's it's it's crash prone because it's
a big circle full of like lots of cars. So anyway, again,
it's just that it's just the.

Speaker 19 (31:05):
Popular right around them all and like your center, and
so there's people coming and urging the car parks out
of car parks and roundabouts.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
Yeah, loving a crash there. Okay, listen five away from
four away from five, just on what Thomas was talking about.
The NATS need to if the NATS are serious, if
they're really thinking about repealing the Regulatory Standards Act, do
us a favor and just cut that idea immediately. This
is the kind of silly buggers you expect from Welling
from Winston, right, Winston gets away with silly buggers like

(31:32):
that because it's Winston because he's got a cheeky grin
and he's kind of charming, and you know, you know,
he plays silly buggers and changes his mind the whole
time and you're not even sure that he's actually read
the cabinet papers. That is not what the National Party
is about. The National Party is supposed to be about stability,
and it's that it's the daddy in the coalition. See,
you can't be saying, oh, yeah, we passed the thing
last week and now we're going to change it next week.
It's just credibility undermining. What this is, though, is this

(31:54):
is how hard they are all flirting with Winston. They're
all like, oh, Winston, did you want to did you
want to did you want to get rid of the red
liter Me too? I also hate the regular I know,
I said I love the Regulatory Standards Bill last week,
but I actually don't, Winston. I just love you. Stop
it gross. Get a room. National and Labor and Winston
need to get a room. Sort out their weird menagatoire.

(32:17):
I don't want to watch this stuff. I just want
it to be sorted and leave, for God's sake, leave
the Regulatory Standards Act alone, right, it's been passed. You
passed it to a bunch of weirdos. Don't try to
undo it. There we go, got that off our chest. Now,
amn't we anywhere? I what to do with all these children? Okay?
So Christian Hawksby Reserve Bank outgoing governor is going to

(32:40):
be with us next, talk us through why they went
for twenty five basis points. What he thinks the economy
is going to do next week and then next year,
rather I mean next week we could probably predict and
what he's doing next. News Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
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Speaker 1 (33:08):
And give the analysis.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
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the power of satellite mobile news dogs V.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Good afternoon. The Reserve Bank has cut the official cash
rate today by a quarter of a percent. It is
now sitting at two point twenty five percent, the lowest
in three years. It reckons this is the Reserve Bank.
It reckons inflation is not a problem. The economy is
already growing in the labor market is stabilizing. Christian Hawksby
is the outgoing governor. High Christian gooday is that at
one and done, no more cuts.

Speaker 20 (33:39):
We've put out an OCR projection which would have the
OCR will be consistent with the oceach bench unchanged over
two thousand in twenty six and we think that's a
good position to be in, having done a lot of
work over the course of this year, a loosen policy
and starting to see it having in its effect.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
And one of the things that you take into account
possible possibly is the fact that Kiwi's like, even this
cut may not be enough to get Kiwis going in.

Speaker 20 (34:07):
That's the doubt, you know. The downside risk is that
households and businesses feel bit battered and bruised still from
this year and are a bit cautious. Our fifty point
cut in October was you know, sort of designed to
a bit of a shot in the arm to address that.
So there is that risk still there. On the other side,
the recovery could be faster and stronger than we expect

(34:30):
because we have cut interest rates a long way and
it could really start coming through quite quickly.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
I can't call it, what's your gut telling you.

Speaker 20 (34:40):
I think we've we have done a lot of work.
I'm a true believer that monetary policy works. People have
their doubts, but it just does work its way through
all the different channels.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
Can I put something to you It's worked historically, right,
But the problem that's happened now is that you might
have cut the ocr and I've come off my rate
and I've refixed at a lower rate, but by the
same exactly the same time, my counsel is chucking up
my rates. So any free cash has been sucked up
in that again, isn't it.

Speaker 20 (35:08):
There's lots of different channels through rich monetary policy works.
You wealth channel, cash flow channel, the exchange rate channel.
You know, we're seeing we're so we're seeing it working.
The exchange rate one is one that people don't talk
so much about at the moment that the key we
has weakend that's listing. You know, export earn much to you.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Is it possible that we are actually poorer than you
guys might anticipate, and that even the money that you
free up as being sucked up by bills, Like we
just don't have as much disposable cash as you might
think we do.

Speaker 20 (35:42):
We we do have a lower potential growth rate of
the economy. Is what we've noticed that the productivity growth
is pretty weak, population growth is pretty weak, so we
kind of need to be realistic about how fast the
economy can grow and the future. But what we're seeing
as a lot of spare capacity, and that's what's motivating

(36:05):
us to go, Okay, we can have low interest rates
because we can have an economy that's running hotter for
a while to close that gap.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
Okay, So I mean you talk to the business leaders,
they say they're seeing green shoots. When do you think
we start really feeling it properly?

Speaker 20 (36:20):
Well, we've got a positive Q three and Q four,
and you know, once you get into you know, further
on beyond that, you're looking at about kind of a
three percent per annum type run rate as the effect
of lower interest rates kick in. So the answer is,
the recovery is happening right now. It's it's just that

(36:41):
we won't see the official.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
Do you think they're feeling it yetow, Christian, it's.

Speaker 20 (36:47):
Early days in terms of it that you know, it's
a positive quarter Q three. We look at high frequency data.
We've got a key wee GDP indicator that we update
all the time each time a new bit of data
comes out. You know, that's starting to show it. So
it's it's not about waiting for something to happen. It's
happening at the moment. It'll pick up through the next while, hope.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
So okay, listen, have you met the new governor?

Speaker 14 (37:13):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (37:13):
What do you reckon? What's your take on her?

Speaker 20 (37:16):
I think she will do a wonderful job. We've met
six times now. A big focus for me has been
supporting her, you know, induction and getting ready for the role.
So we've had a lot of discussions and you know,
everything and anything a new governor might want to ask.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
She asked you about Adrian.

Speaker 20 (37:38):
Before buying. You know what's gone a matter when you're
sitting in the seat, mate.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
The first thing I would like if you and I
ever see each other for a beer, I'm going to
be like, right, tell me everything. It's the most fascinating thing.
What are you off to do?

Speaker 20 (37:50):
By the way, I'm going to have a long break
over the summer. I've had a big job of being
focused on the finish line. Next next job is to
have a really good break and not turn my mind
to the future for as long as I can.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
All right, well, good luck with that. Christian Hawksby outgoing
Reserve Bank Governor A's five.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
Twelve together do for ce Ellen.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Since the government announced it is scrapping regional counselors yesterday,
mayors have started piping up and largely complaining about the
extra work that they will have to do because they're
going to be asked to fill in the place of
those counselors. Anita Baker is the mayor of Portador. Hi, Anita, Hello,
you complaining about the workload.

Speaker 21 (38:30):
No, we do some of it already. I don't see
the problem. I think that the Wellington region need to
grab this opportunity and move forward and look at our amalgamation.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
You want amalgamation. Do you think the starts and algamation?

Speaker 21 (38:42):
I think it does start. I think we could do
it in the three years. I think you get rid
of regional Council and the four of us get together
with the five of us get together and we've become
a tlc so an authority. So I think it's the
right way to go.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
I mean, you're famous for famously obviously support the SUDAA,
But what about the other mayors? Do you think they'll
be on board with it?

Speaker 21 (39:01):
That's ree new meors, So I'll catch up with them
and find out Hot City did the amalgamation question to
the residents like we did, and they passed it. So
I know that the Hot City's up for it. I've
heard Andrew be up for it online, you know, speaking
to the media. So I think we just need to
get in a room and sort it out.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Do you think it is a good idea when you
look at what is going on? This is so the
start of it being the scrapping of the council is
asking the mayors to step up, then presumably the amalgamation,
and then later on down the track the RMA reform
that makes everything work faster. Do you like what you're
seeing here?

Speaker 5 (39:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (39:34):
I do.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
I do.

Speaker 21 (39:35):
I'm for it. I think change.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
It's good.

Speaker 21 (39:37):
It's long over dyman. Local government.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
We all double up? Do we do things?

Speaker 21 (39:41):
One finds the other one. We're not working together, you know,
we all do the same thing and we have twenty
minutes away from each other, so it just seems silly.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
Yeah, all right, I need to thank you very much,
always appreciate your time. That they need to bake it.
The mirror of Porta to five point thirteen.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
He the duplus Ellen.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
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Banks are already moving to drop the mortgage rates. I
am loving the Cooperative Bank. These guys are bringing it
in the last week, they're the first out of the blocks.
They've announced that the floating home lane home loan rate
is down by thirty one basis points, which obviously exceeds

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Speaker 1 (41:44):
To two, Heather do for Cela either.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
I like Anita Baker. She's just getting on with the job,
no complaining, well done, She's actually she's a bloody good sort. Actually,
but I'm not going to talking about this business. I'm
going to get back to that. Shortly eighteen past five.
I've got some great news for you. New data shows
we're having fewer crashes every year, and it's a pair. Apparently,
thanks to all of the tech we've got in our cars,
collisions have dropped seven percent each year for the last
two years. This is according to the AMI Motor Report.

(42:08):
Terry Collins is the AA Transports Principal Policy Advisor and
is with us. Hi, Terry, how are you well? Thank you?
What kind of tech is helping us to stop the crashes?

Speaker 22 (42:18):
Well, there's a whole bunch of tech. Someone's like adaptive
cruise control, where you set your speed and it keeps
the same distance behind the vehicle. Other's autonomous emergency braking
schemes which if you get too close to something, your
brake supply emergency immediately sorry lane departure, you start drifting
around the road. It either gives you an audio warning
or it gives you a physical tug on the steering wheel.

Speaker 18 (42:41):
Do you reckon that?

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Stuff? Actually really makes a difference.

Speaker 22 (42:44):
Well, they reckon. The Warnish University, one of the leading
transport researchers say is that if we put autonomous urgency
braking in all our vehicles, we will have the amount
of rearing accidents and we will and the fatal accidents
will go down by a corner.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
So this, I mean, this is just driver in attention,
isn't it. It's sort of like it just snaps you
out of the little feud state that you've gone into.

Speaker 22 (43:07):
They're called a systems for a reason.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
They're not ordinate the solitary I hate them.

Speaker 22 (43:14):
Well, look that actually if you can't navigate responsibility to
an engaged, alert, responsible driver. But we know that accidents
occur when people try to do their best and does
something's happened through an attention. What they do is they
give you that physical warning or they apply the brakes
when something happens unexpectedly, and the results show themselves that

(43:34):
they're reducing these accidents.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
Now, the cameras with the parallel parking, now that is
an absolute game changer, isn't it.

Speaker 22 (43:41):
Oh, Which is for a lot of people, it's has
given them the confidence that they need to park. I've
had a car with a three hundred and sixty degree
camera and that looks down on you. And believe me,
I think I'm a good driving can part, but I
still use that technology.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
That stuff is amazing. Can you explain We're having a
debate on the text at the moment about why all
of the you know, nine of the top ten crash
sites are in Auckland. I'm saying it's just population. Other
people are saying it's because we're all distracted jaffers on
our phones. What is it.

Speaker 22 (44:10):
I wouldn't say it's the latter to the former, and
I would say it's to do with the DCU, the traffic.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
On the roads.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Well you more it was.

Speaker 22 (44:18):
Closer to you. They're trying to get they quickly. It's
just a whole bunch of things that are all working
to corect those crash sites.

Speaker 20 (44:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
Good on you, Terry, Thank you. I appreciate that. Look
after yourself. Terry Collins, AA Transport Principle Policy Advisor. I
hate that stuff that that stops you do you know
that stuff. The other day I was pulling out of
the drive. It was nothing like I was I was
coming out of the drive really slowly, and the car
went down the road behind me, and nixt minute the
brakes went on and like Lord above, like I was like,
if I don't die of a crash, I'm going to

(44:44):
die of a heart attack from what you just did
to me, because there was no risk at all. It's
just sometimes it's just over enthusiastic, like a happy puppy dog.
Do you know what I mean? Anyway, here's some more
crash stats for you millennials. Yeah, you're welcome. Yeah you go,
you good thing. Lowest crash rate out there. You are
the lowest crash rist that's right, because your parents and
you're just awesome, you know you. You're just doing good

(45:07):
by the world, you millennials. Gen X not too bad.
Next up baby boomers also good drivers. And then all
those people born before nineteen forty five because they're probably
not driving anymore, so they're not really a crash for risk?
Are they worst? By a long mile? Gen Z what
a surprise five twenty two.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Cutting through the noise to get the facts, it's Heather
Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand coverage like no
one else.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
News talks there'd.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Be Roger Gray who gave the speech saying that they
call us no zealand he's he's gonna be with us
in ten minutes time. It's five twenty five. Listen. I
am hoping so much right now that Tomas Coglin and
Anita Baker and everyone else saying this is right and
that we are not going to stop at scrapping the
regional councils, and that we are going to end up
going further than this and amalgamating, because even with the

(45:57):
regional councils gone, you look at what's going we have
way too much bureaucracy at local government level. Right If
you take out the eleven regional councils and all their
counselors out of the mix of politics in this country,
you are still left with fifty six city councils and
district councils, and each of them with their twelve councilors
or their fifteen councilors or their twenty councilors sitting around

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the table. We are a country of five million people,
maybe six million people, like we are as many people
as they have in the city of Melbourne. We do
not need this much local representation. Blend him. Don't mean
to offend you. You don't need your own council. You
don't need one. Separate from Nelson's, which is just down
the road. You've got thirty thousand people, Nelson's got eighty

(46:40):
thousand people. Join up, share your counselors. Wellington City once
again does not need a Wellington City mayor. Separate from
a porta dour city mayor, separate from a hut city mayor,
separate from a lower hut mayor, separate from a carpety
mayor join up to everyone else in the country. We
just think you're one place anyway. It is ridiculous that
Auckland has twenty councilors and then so many local boards,

(47:03):
that Auckland has one hundred and seventy elected politicians in
a city that is, by international comparisons, actually quite small.
Auckland has more politicians than the entire country has elected
to parliament, just in Auckland. Across New Zealand. Do you
know how many local politicians we have? Sixteen hundred, sixteen
hundred for a group of people as big as the

(47:25):
city of Melbourne. That's not even counting the people in Parliament.
By the way. Can I suggest that this has to
just be the start, right, we have to go further this.
Once we get rid of regional councils, we need to
start amalgamating so that what is currently sixty seven territorial
authorities becomes something more reasonable like ten or eleven.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
Good Heather do for sea Ellen, Heather.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
I spilled my coffee all over me when I was
backing out of my garage the other day, and the
stupid break slammed on. See what I mean? And I'm
reading that text before I read this from Tony here
that the only logical reason that you could hate the
driver assistance technology and because it annoys you when it
keeps kicking in, is because you're a crap drive that
drifts across lanes, doesn't pay attention. Just shut up, Tony,

(48:05):
Just drive properly. So shut up, Tony. I'm not a
bad driver. I never complained about the lanes stuff, or
the yawning beep beeps or anything. I didn't. You complained
about those random brakes, and you have to you have
you driven with the random brakes. You have to drive
with the random brakes to know what I'm talking about.
Because you're making a very good judgment and then break
goes on, you are annoying. Anyway, we'll talk to the

(48:29):
huddle about that shortly.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
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Speaker 3 (48:44):
They'd be when I told judithh that, Oh my god,
what I can't believe. I haven't told you this already? Simon,
what's this going to be on the show today? This
is I only had to do. Well, he's called my
bluff because I've only had to do two days of
sort of like hassling him for him to come on.
But I thought it was going to take a lot
longer than that. So anyway, he's coming on after six

(49:04):
o'clock to talk about the carbon credits and whether we
are going to be spending twenty four billion dollars overseas
on planting trees, because of course Nicholas said no, but
he said yes. So what's the story he'll explain after six.
Huddle standing by right now, it's twenty four away from
six now. The Ports of Auckland boss Roger Gray has
called out the key we know culture. He's given a
speech in Auckland, saying we're apparently referred to as no

(49:27):
Zealand when overseas, there's plenty of business to be done
in the country. We just need to start saying yes
to it. So let's talk to him. Hi, Roger, Hi, Heather,
who are these people you've been speaking to who called
us no Zealand?

Speaker 17 (49:39):
Well, Heather, that was about nine months ago. I was
in Miami talking to the cruise lines to try and
understand why they were dropping off their bookings, and the
feedback across the whole lot of the four cruise lines
I went to was they felt that New Zealand was
just simply too hard to deal with because people were
so negaive about things.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
They're onto something. Ah.

Speaker 17 (50:03):
Well, what I think is interesting is that's where we
were and that was their perception. But the cool thing
is now I think there's a real change going on
amongst people. There's a real starting to be a positivity
amongst a lot of people. And you know, I think
the Bleddersone North Wharf is a great example if you
can just get on and do stuff. We've created two
hundred and fifty new jobs for Aucklanders and that wholf

(50:24):
will be finished by the end of next year.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
Yeah, I think you're onto something. I think that we
I think it is changing. I hate to always, you know,
take everything back to politics, but I think it is
in part because we have some courageous political leaders who
are prepared to just kind of go against the flow,
like Wayne Brown for example, the guys in government at
the moment. Would you put it down to.

Speaker 17 (50:45):
That, I think that's right. People are seeing that occasionally
you need someone to specify a vision and simply make
the hard call. And I think the mayor is a
great example of someone who just gets on, articulates what
he wants and then just gets it done. And business
needs to follow that example.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
But what about the rest of us. I mean, as
you say business needs to follow that example, what about
the rest of us, the unions who say no, the
locals who say no to gold mines, the rest of
us who just constantly don't want to say yes to things.
How do we change our attitude?

Speaker 19 (51:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (51:16):
Look, I think there's no doubt that people have been
doing it tough for the last couple of years, Absolutely
no doubt. But what I've got is great trust in
New Zealanders towards the fact that we are at heart
a logical, smart community. I think the economy is actually
better than people are actually saying. Most people are conservative,

(51:37):
they don't want to jinx the return. But we're seeing
we unloaded eight thousand cars in the last five days,
three thousand more arrive later this week. We've had records
container volume for the highest for nine years.

Speaker 22 (51:50):
Last month.

Speaker 17 (51:51):
The economy has turned. I think everybody feels it, but
what they're saying is they don't want to jinx it.
So yeah, maybe I think.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
Don't you think that this is actually part of our culture?
Like I think that we have a certain level of
complacency because life is actually pretty good in New Zealand
most of the time, so we're just pretty relaxed about things,
and therefore we say, no, what do you think?

Speaker 17 (52:13):
Yeah, I do think there's a little bit of that.
I think there's also a natural conservativeness amongst New Zealanders.
And you know, if I was asked what's the difference
between Australia and New Zealand, I'd say, well, let's take
a leaf out of their optimism book. I think Australians
are a bit more optimistic. Yeah, let's have a crack
we're a bit more sit back and more conservative.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
Now, Roger, I thought, jeez, I read this in the
paper this morning. I thought, Roger, you're Australian and you're
saying this about the Kiwis. Do you know what? Is
everyone going to give you a hard time for this?

Speaker 14 (52:45):
Now?

Speaker 17 (52:46):
I'm sure they will have it, But you know I
am in New Zealand now. I didn't do my citizenship,
so I've signed up. I'm a full fledged Kiwi now.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
Okay, Well, beast of luck with that, Roger. Roger Gray,
Chief Executive Ports of Auckland, twenty one away from six.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
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Speaker 3 (53:06):
On the Huddle of this this evening, David Farrer, QB
Blog and Curia and Jack Tame, host of Q and
A and Saturday Mornings on Newstalk z'd be high you guys, Hello,
think he's onto something? David? What do you think?

Speaker 14 (53:17):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (53:17):
Look, I think he's absolutely right. You can go with
conservatism nimbiism. The thought that came to me is, Heather,
and you used to live in Wellington when you were
a back younger. Is the Wellington Urban Motorway, right, you
would think it'd be impossible not to the motorway and
to the Wellington Capital. Let me tell you that one
of whom in motorway would never have got consented today because.

Speaker 14 (53:40):
Do you know what they did?

Speaker 5 (53:41):
They look, they plow.

Speaker 14 (53:42):
It through four hundred grades.

Speaker 5 (53:44):
Could you imagine today someone proposing anything that moved even
one grade in their home?

Speaker 3 (53:52):
Suggesting then that the no thing is a recent advent.

Speaker 5 (53:56):
Oh, I think it's definitely got worse. I think some
of the complacency has always been there, but I think
it definitely has got worse. Where uh pople that Look,
we all know we need more renewable energy. Everyone says it.
Every time you go out and say, you know, someone
wanted to put one turbines at Bearing Hit, perfect place

(54:19):
for windy Willington and a few dozen people who lived
on the other side of the harbor. I said, oh,
and I might spoil my view and we.

Speaker 12 (54:27):
Didn't get her one turbines.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
Okay, why are we doing this? Jack?

Speaker 5 (54:32):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (54:33):
I think the conservatism point is a really good one,
and literally we don't think of ourselves as being conservative,
but there are a lot of good reasons to be
conservative about New Zealand.

Speaker 14 (54:41):
There's a lot of good stuff that we don't want
to change.

Speaker 12 (54:43):
I reckon personally we are less No Zealand than are
maybe oh yeah, on, or let me think about it.
Oh hang on, let me just refer that to the
appeals court or perhaps yeah Zealand. Yeah that's the thing, right, Yeah,
well it's almost it's actually in some ways it's more painful.

(55:06):
Like take take the Urban Way for example, Like we
got there in the end, but the process for getting
there was painful, right, And I reckon, maybe this is
one of the big things we need to change. We
just need to be more assertive in making these decisions
so when we do choose to support something, we get
it done much faster.

Speaker 13 (55:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
Do you know what the other thing is I was thinking, David,
is we actually are genuinely very nice people and we
don't want to offend people. We don't want to cause upset.
So when twelve people are upset about the windmills, we
got on. But oh look, maybe it's not worth it.
Just don't worry about it.

Speaker 5 (55:34):
Well, look, you touch on saying we've been Australian, I've
done business. Just a couple of Australian companies and they
will try and cut your throat over every last one
hundred dollars and a million dollar transaction, but nothing personally
at the end, go out, have a drink. Now in
New Zealand it would be like harraffict to play that

(55:55):
hard ball. So there's a very very different culture in
Australia in business and news are own business or are definitely
polite and there's a totally bad things. But maybe you
can take it too far, David.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
Somebody says the other problem is that we smoke more
pots than they do on Australia and that's the problem.

Speaker 14 (56:16):
I don't know that. I have to say we probably.

Speaker 10 (56:20):
Do listen to rely will have their own you know.

Speaker 5 (56:25):
They've got the can and the mafia there. But I'm
sure they're doing.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
They're doing class as they're doing like you know, like
heroin and and like chargey things M D M A
and stuff, don't you think Jack.

Speaker 12 (56:38):
Well, I mean this is definitely pivotal to an area
I wasn't expecting, but.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
Dive into the psychology of this country.

Speaker 12 (56:44):
If we're talking about the productivity benefits of various different
classes of drugs, Yeah, I mean I wouldn't possibly want
to comment, but I.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
Can do on cocaine and pete than you are. But
this is undermining my argument because.

Speaker 5 (56:58):
There a lot of all I can say, they're only
class to get done in Australia.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
Well, there you go, David, listen to that, or it's
a real life experience. We'll take a break so we
can just come down from that admission and we'll come
back shortly sixteen away from what six.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
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Speaker 3 (57:18):
Oh yeah, back with the huddle, Jack Tayman, David Farrett
now Jack Thomas Coglan of The Herald reckons that the
scrapping of the regional councils is just the start, and
we're going to end up scrapping all of the local
authorities basically all together and ending up with eleven big
territorial authorities like Auckland Super City. Are you cool with that?

Speaker 19 (57:36):
Do you know?

Speaker 12 (57:37):
I think the arguments in favor of amalgamation are very strong,
indeed the devils in the detail, But I do think
it's curious that a government that has sold itself on
localism would go that far I mean, think about the
ways in which they rejected the advice of the commissioners
in Totonger to bring back democracy at the first available opportunity.
Think about the ways in which they sold the three

(57:58):
Warters policy. SID you're going to be able to come
up with your own plans, and then compare that with
some of the decisions since the decisions over rates capping,
for example, and now this amalgamation. It's sort of like
I think at the very least you could say that
maybe they're kind of talking out both sides of their mouths,
you know, like, oh, yeah, localism, localism actually not so much.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I am just so excited about it,
David that I don't give two hopes what they've said
in the past. I want this so badly, What about you?

Speaker 5 (58:27):
I think they've been quite cunning with it, because lot
absolutely if you look at what's important, that's not getting
rid of the elected councilors on region replacing them with
MEAs so we have two years to come up with
a regional amalgamation plan and the Minister can improve them,
not referendum, that's the key, but rather than announced we're

(58:47):
amalgamating seventy six councils, which.

Speaker 14 (58:50):
Will get a huge outcry. They're saying, we'll leave.

Speaker 5 (58:52):
It to each region to work out their own plan
and then we'll put up for approval. And that's smart
because lot in Wellington, you might have marligareate the four
big urban councils, but you probably want to mailgate the
three wire rapper ones in. So we'll now each region
to work out what works for them. But the key
thing is if you've got the nears on side, so

(59:13):
they have to submit the plan, you're not going to
be facing, you know, what they've had in Hawk's Bay forever,
where one council wants it the other doesn't.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
Yeah, Jack, did you realize that we have sixteen hundred
local body elected politicians across this country? Sixteen hundred.

Speaker 14 (59:28):
Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 12 (59:29):
And when you think about the things that they're responsible for, Like,
do we honest does anyone honestly think that those elected
officials have the expertise when it comes to governance of
some of the things they're responsible for. I think it's
a very hard argument to make it.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
I mean, the only disappointment, I'll tell you what my
disappointment about it is Jack is that when I retire,
I was I was really hoping to have this as
kind of like a really nice little addition to my income. No,
Ye're gone alone.

Speaker 12 (59:52):
It's like being on the body corporate and a part building.
It's one of those things that for a moment you
think this is going to be a great idea, and
then the moment you.

Speaker 19 (01:00:01):
But have you been to.

Speaker 12 (01:00:02):
One meeting, let alone thirty or fifty a year.

Speaker 14 (01:00:06):
It would be such a punished.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
You know, you put your ear pods in and you
listen to something else and pretend that you're there. I
think it's easy, easy money. I'm just working whither.

Speaker 5 (01:00:14):
You would hate it. You would so hate it. Possibly
your fellow counselors might be only one. You would hate
it more, argue with you all day.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
There we go. There drives up my retirement plans. Now, David,
have you got one of those cars that just breaks
for you?

Speaker 5 (01:00:31):
I do, and lot the safety features undoubtedly have made
cars thing. What most of all was the three sixty
degree cameras, the backing camera. Do you remember the age
when you back out driveway and you get ship neck pains?

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
You're always looking.

Speaker 5 (01:00:47):
Behind you, et ceter And you know you can't quite
see anything. But absolutely, I think technology got Modern cars
are actually computers on wheels.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
They really are, right, Jack, I can't. I can't keep
up with you, though, what have you? Are you still
driving that old like clapped out Corolla.

Speaker 5 (01:01:05):
No, it's from the old clapped out Corolla.

Speaker 12 (01:01:06):
I sold that old clapped out Corolla and got a
slightly newer Corolla, so I'm still Corolla.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
Does have any safety features.

Speaker 12 (01:01:14):
It's got all of the safety features.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
It's a Corolla.

Speaker 12 (01:01:16):
It's fantastic and it's got but he's a thing. I
turned most of them off because they just got so
and because so the lane departure, I wouldn't be departing
from my lane, but I would just like go around
a cyclist or something like that, and then it would
start screaming at me, and I thought, ah, I can't
be doing this. Honestly, I felt like it was making
me a least.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
Safe driver, so some anxiety.

Speaker 12 (01:01:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:01:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:01:40):
To tell you what though, the reversing camera, I reckon that' alone.
It's just been the biggest game changer.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
Well, yeah, because the other day what I did was
I've got an old Jealopy at the beach, which hasn't
got anything on it, like anything, any fancy things. And
so what I found is an old jeep wrangler, and
I found myself. I just backed down. I backed out
without looking over my shoulder because I forgot I had to.
So there is a Yeah, there is a downside to
having all the cameras is that when you get one

(01:02:05):
that doesn't have cameras, people need to beware anyway. Don't
tell anyone about that, or I'm not going to get insurance. Guys,
thank you, I really appreciated look after yourself. That's Jack Tame,
host of Q and A Saturday mornings on News, talking
David Farrer. She here, Jack was just like, oh oh,
because yeah. I also when I did it, I was like,
what are you doing, Heather. I covered one of the

(01:02:26):
front cameras to effectively disable the automatic braking and laner
system my car. It was way too dangerous. I've gone
around cyclists on the road only to have the system
try to push me back into them, and following a
car that turns into a side street often traggers triggers
panic breaking, which is totally uncalled for. I'm a lot
safer without these features. So there you go. Ight away
from six.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
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Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
Hither we are a nation of nose? Look at Anna
Moobray and her husband Ali trying to get a permit
for their helicopter. The post court decision is still not
being accepted by a load of small minded and churlish neighbors. Ross. Hey,
I don't know if you saw this, but Anna and
Ali have stuck a couple of I think it's a
couple of like mirror reflecting reindeer on the rocks outside

(01:03:14):
their house. This is, you know, because they live, you know,
around Point chev Bombay wherever they live on at West Mayana,
really know, and it's out there on the waterfront in
Auckland anyway, So they're stuck a couple of these reindeers
out there for it's like statues, right, the like ornament things, sculptures. Anyway,
do you at the first I looked at it and
I thought, well that's cool, and I was like, ah, yeah,

(01:03:35):
what do mirrors? Do mirrors reflect this? Do you think
that this is a really clever way of just absolutely
harassing their neighbors who've been such dicks to them and
that just those reindeers just can reflect the sun right
in their windows. And if that's what they're doing, good
from them. Five away from six. Now it looks like
there is going to be like heads up for this,
a really ugly fight about who gets the money that

(01:03:57):
Andrew paid Virginia dou Freid to shut her up because
she's of course passed away. And it looks like there's
a court case on now. There's a court hearing that
scheduled at the Supreme Court of Western Australia and Perth,
which is going to take place in a couple of
days time. Her husband is entitled to a third of
her estate. Remember we're talking about twelve million pounds I
think it was. It's a huge amount of money. The
husband is entitled to a third, but they filed for

(01:04:19):
divorce two months before she died, so she's apparently so,
I mean, this complicates it. And she's apparently sent an
email to her lawyer saying that she doesn't want him
to have any of the money. So there's a fight.
Then her two brothers have hired a lawyer to challenge
the right to the funds, so there's a fight. But
then of course she's got children, and surely all the
money should go to the children. So keep an eye
out for that, because that doesn't look like it's going

(01:04:40):
to get fun at all. Do you remember just an
update on that journal that Whitkell's band because it had
too many F and C words, the one called folly.
They've just emailed me today to tell me that this
has just hit the best seller list this week at Unity,
which is a rival bookstore in Wellington, I think is
Unity in Auckland as well as it is. It's around
the country, so it's like the Flash, it's like a

(01:05:02):
nice set. It's like a more boutique bookstore. Right, so
it's gone up against Witkeles. They have obviously continued to
sock it. People have gone into Unity bought the thing.
It's on the best seller list. They asked. Now apparently
down to their last box of stock, which means they've
sold around eight hundred copies in two weeks. They're diverting
all of the Whitkele stock to Unity and Auckland urgently,
maybe even some paper plus stores down south, and they

(01:05:24):
say thank you for supporting our locally produced smut. Do
you know what that is that is never wasting a
crisis and I like that good from them. So if
you want to go read some F words and some
SA words and also an interview with the Reserve Bank
economist Or Conway, who's pretty controversial. He's in the book
in the journal as well. Help yourself. There you go, Folly.

(01:05:45):
Simon Watts is in with us next. I'm told Simon
didn't know that I was crossed with him, and somebody
told him that I was cross with them, so he's
made an effort. It's coming on the show. So that's next.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
Keeping track of where the money is flowing.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
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Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
ZB even in coming up in the next hour, Samsrathui's
going to talk us through Fisher and Health Fisher and
Pikel health Care's latest financial result, g Native Trainee with
a few concerns about the building warranty idea from the
government this week, and then Gavin Gray is out of
the UK ahead of their burg budget overnight seven past six,
so there's some confusion over whether the New Zealand will

(01:06:34):
or will not be sending twenty four billion dollars or
thereabouts to another country to plant trees in order for
us to be able to meet our climate targets. Nikola
will have set on Monday night. We're not doing it,
but the Climate Minister Simon Watts has said he's getting
the deals ready for us to be able to do it.
So to clear up that confusion, Simon Watts has to
agree to come in and talk to us about it. Hi, Simon, Hey, Heather,
great to be here. So, yeah, thank you for coming in.

(01:06:56):
So are you going to buy overseas carbon credits or not?

Speaker 23 (01:07:00):
We're not going to be doing that this term heither.
I want to be really clear about that. As a government,
we have not made any decisions in regards to doing that,
and the reality is it's not something that's on policy
agenda this term of government.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
Of course, it's not on your policy agenda this term
of government because you don't twenty thirty doesn't happen this
term of government. Is it potentially next term.

Speaker 23 (01:07:21):
The reality of what we've done is we've set up
options in regards to that, but we're focused on domestic options.
We have to do and as minister, I have to put
in place all of the options that are going to
give us options in the future, but we don't necessarily
need to be able to deploy those options.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
Okay, So if you are in government, when we fall
short of our target, which we will, will you buy
overseas country?

Speaker 23 (01:07:42):
I can't commit to that because I can't commit to
where we're going to be in the Well, let's.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
Just said to us on Monday. No, we're not sending
any money overseas.

Speaker 10 (01:07:50):
So why you're talking of what are we going to
do in twenty thirty two?

Speaker 12 (01:07:53):
Right?

Speaker 10 (01:07:53):
And I don't think it's reasonable.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
Thirty isn't it twenty thirty.

Speaker 23 (01:07:56):
But you don't actually know until where you are at
until twenty thirty two, So that's the timeline. I'm not
making commitments around what any government.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
The reason I want to know is because this is
one of the daftest ideas I've ever heard in my life,
where we have a country where we cannot afford to
properly build the need in a hospital. But you're telling
me that it is a potential possibility that we're going
to send maybe as much as twenty four billion dollars
to some Southeast Asian country to plant US trees. That's nutty.

Speaker 23 (01:08:21):
We absolutely think that that is not a realistic policy
position for us as a government.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
So tell me to do it.

Speaker 23 (01:08:28):
If you're the guy I might not be the minister
in twenty thirty two.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
Minister in twenty thirty two, would you do it?

Speaker 23 (01:08:34):
I don't know where we're going to be at that
point in.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
Time, Simon, you're blowing my mind.

Speaker 23 (01:08:37):
I'm not we afford this well, we don't know where
we will be at that point. And the reality is
is I actually think and I'm pretty optimistic, we're doing
and looking pretty good in terms of our missions reduction.

Speaker 10 (01:08:47):
So the thing is, this is a hypothetical conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
You're going to fall short. It's just not going to
happen that we're going to meet our target. And here's
why it's important to you is because you have to
start setting the money aside four years in advance, don't you.

Speaker 10 (01:08:59):
No, we don't.

Speaker 23 (01:09:00):
It's not like that's recycle not a liability, and you don't.
You're not signing up to sending money to some specific
entity or environment.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
It is a liability, does it not?

Speaker 23 (01:09:11):
No, it's not a liability. And that's why Treasury don't
have it on our books.

Speaker 10 (01:09:14):
It's not a liability.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
Beyond our books until twenty thirty. If we choose to speak.

Speaker 10 (01:09:17):
That's correct either.

Speaker 23 (01:09:18):
And that's why you know, as a government, we've been
clear we're not going to be looking at doing anything
like that. We don't think that that is sensible policy,
nor does it make any fiscal sense in the connect
that we were at.

Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
And that's why why are you setting up the deals
and the mechanism.

Speaker 23 (01:09:32):
Because we have to do as a mechanism, make sure
and be clear that we have and are committed to
our targets.

Speaker 10 (01:09:37):
So we have to be able to receive.

Speaker 23 (01:09:39):
No, we're setting up optionality, but there is a difference
between putting in place options and using those options. And
you know, from a government, we're saying that's not a
policy position that we are going to be exploring this term,
and that means that that's.

Speaker 10 (01:09:52):
Not on the table.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
Then what you're doing is you're wasting your time because
this is not something using you can ever plausibly afford.
So setting up the deals in the mechanisms is plane
pretend to fool the rest of the world.

Speaker 10 (01:10:02):
No, it's not.

Speaker 23 (01:10:03):
These climate agreements and cooperation agreements include a wide range
of initiatives. You know, we've just done one with Iceland
in regards to geo thermalor. These are comprehensive agreements. They
contain mechanisms and options around facilitating something like this.

Speaker 10 (01:10:18):
But there's a whole lot of other aspects that are
part of those deal.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
You know what the other problem is is that should
you lose at some stage to Chippy and some stage
in the future, labor will be in, and labor may
have some nutty hangers on like the Greens and the
Maldi Party. You are setting up the means for them
to be able to send tens of billions of New
Zealand dollars off to Thailand.

Speaker 23 (01:10:36):
Look, I trust the New Zealand public to be you know,
seend a clear signal round expectations of what they think
around future government. You know, from what we're doing, we
have no plans, nor policy decisions, nor cabinet decisions in
regards to progress on this.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
Is there no alternative version of what's happening right now
where you simply say, I, Simon Watts think this is
such a nutty idea. I'm not going to set up
the deals.

Speaker 23 (01:11:00):
There isn't a mechanism in order to do that. Countries
in regards to their commitments around NDC are unanimous in
their way in which they commit to meeting those targets,
and they say and they commit that they intend to
meet them. And the reality is is we've got a
period of time between now and then and we just
have to do our best efforts and regards to achieving.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
It, Lord Above, I'm going to blame you, Simon in
twenty thirty. Please don't I remember Simon Watts? I remember
that guy?

Speaker 10 (01:11:25):
No, well, I hope you remember me for better reasons
than that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
Go to your credit. How good was that RMA reform yesterday?

Speaker 10 (01:11:31):
It was really really good?

Speaker 23 (01:11:32):
And I tell you what, Heather, if you think about
where we can be in five years from now, if
you think about the RMA reform, it's game changer. You
think about getting rid of regional councils, it's game change.

Speaker 10 (01:11:41):
And by the way, rates capping is coming.

Speaker 23 (01:11:44):
And I'll give you a bit more of an update
very soon.

Speaker 3 (01:11:46):
Is that in the next week or the next it's
going to be before Christmas?

Speaker 10 (01:11:49):
So well, too long to work.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
That's four weeks, isn't it? Okay? Now, Simon, so you
kind of called my bluff because I didn't think that
you would be in today. I was kind of like
I was psyching myself up for next week. But then
you got into your car and what happened?

Speaker 23 (01:12:02):
Well, I got into my car and the driver who
will remain nameless, said she was listening to you last
night and said you were not happy. And I thought, well,
I'm driving past your studio. What the hell I'm going
to come in?

Speaker 10 (01:12:17):
Knock on?

Speaker 23 (01:12:17):
I went to reception. I said this, Heather here and
here you are. Here, we are, we're on the mic.
I'll tell you what that is a dedicated minister and
you know it's good to be here to clear this
issue up.

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
Simon. You are a dedicated minist and I really appreciate
you coming in to talk to me.

Speaker 18 (01:12:33):
Mate.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
Thank you very much. Look after yourself, Simon. What's the
climate change minister? Hopefully clearing up the confusion? Thirteen past six.

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Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
Hither the issue with Simon Watts is not at all clear? Wow.
Well actually I'm going to explain it to this very
clear to me. Now I'll explain it to you in
just a minute. Seventeen Passik, Samtratha we Milford Acid Management.

Speaker 9 (01:14:06):
Hi Sam, good evening.

Speaker 3 (01:14:09):
He So what did you make of that for sher
and PIKEL result?

Speaker 9 (01:14:12):
Well, look, it was a big day for the market
because Frishian BIKEL is the largest listed company and naturally
has a big overall influence on performance of the inxidecs.
So the result the company delivered was what the market
calls a beaten rays. So profit growth for the period
came and ahead of guidance provided in August, and they
also upgraded or raised guidance for the year ahead. So

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the company's core product, which is respiratory masks that are
used in intensive care units and elsewhere in hospitals across
the globe, grew at seventeen percent a year on year,
so that's a continuation of pre strong growth that they
have been seeing there for every long time. And the
company also demonstrated some good cost control, benefiting a bit
from the weakening New Zealand dollar to deliver overall profit

(01:14:54):
growth of and pretty impressive thirty nine percent. So despite
the headwinds from Trump's tariffs, they managed to put off
a big number there. So it's impressive company, world class
technology and stands out when we look across the globe.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
Yeah, well, what impact does the tariffs having on them?
How are they managing that?

Speaker 9 (01:15:10):
Yes, that's certainly been I guess an area of concern
for investors over this year, with the US essentially being
Fresh and Pipers the largest customer, and the company is
getting hit on tariffs from product source to here on
New zeal And sold them to the US and about
a third of their production as based here locally. So
over the past couple of months, the team at Fresh
and bikel have found a range of essentially manufacturing efficiency

(01:15:34):
improvements to offset the cost of the tariffs. That's literally and
the words and the CEO thousands of small changes across what
is a very large production line to offset that impact
on their cost base. And that's a positive compared to
the alternative, say simply putting up prices and pushing it
through to hospital. So there's more impact to come from taffs,
but they backed themselves to continue to do that to

(01:15:56):
offset the cost add the headline.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
Hey, what was the impact that you see on the
market today from the ocr cup.

Speaker 9 (01:16:03):
Yeah, that was the other big event. So I think
the surprise across the market was clearly the optimism that
it was expressed by the RB and Z that the
easing cycle is now largely done and the economic recovery
is underway, so reflected in what they provided in their
forward track of where and straits are heading. That was
above market expectations. So we did see the KI dollar

(01:16:24):
jump higher. I got across against key crosses on the
back of that. But look going forward, I think there's
two clear areas that will be interesting. So firstly, mortgage
activity given the message today as a catalyst for those
with mortgages to rethink how far out they are fixed,
and it was pretty hot topic of conversation in the
press conference this afternoon. You could argue as well that

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the lack of refixing by mortgage holders onto those lower
fixed term rates rather than floating has been a key
reason that we haven't seen the economic activity of economic
impact of rate cuts flow through to activity so far.
And then secondly, it's really around term deposits. So that
three percent level where they're just sitting above at the moment,
has been historically a sort of a level where many

(01:17:08):
holders up to term deposits go hey, look I can
do better than that three percent less tax is not
worth it. They start to look for higher attends elsewhere,
turn to things like guest Eviden paying stocks on the
sheer market, property companies, et cetera. That trend has been
underway on the nz X in recent months and those
companies has been strong performers. But they are the two
clear things that do come out of this announcement that

(01:17:29):
could flow through in the coming months.

Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
Sam always good to talk to you, mate. Thank you,
Sam tra through we have milfed acid management. Right, we'll
get back to Simon Watson. I'll explain all of this
to you next six twenty one.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
Whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics, it's all
on the business hours. Were the Heather duple cl and
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Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
Be heither we are spending thousands of dollars to irradgate
wilding pines in this country and then we're going to
spend billions of dollars to pay overseas countries plant trees.
How stupid are we? Well, fortunately not that stupid. So
having had a chat to Simon now right, what I
deduce from that is that we are playing pretend. We
are one hundred percent just playing pretend. So but we

(01:18:12):
have to, right because we've all signed up. Everybody who's
signed up to the Paris Agreement has agreed that we're
going to reduce emissions, and clearly we're not going to
meet the target domestically. So the only other way that
we can reduce emissions to the target is to go
in plant trees overseas. So that's got to be part
of the charade that we're doing, right, and everybody, I
think everybody's doing this charade, all the other countries doing
the charade as well. We're all charading that we're going

(01:18:34):
to be able to do it. But we have to
keep up the pretense until the thing falls apart, because
that is clearly going to happen like it is clearly
going to get to the point where all the countries
who I mean the vast majority of vast, vast, vast
vast majority of countries will not meet their targets. The
US has pulled out, God only knows who else is
going to pull out, and so you're sort of just

(01:18:56):
waiting for the thing to either fall apart altogether, countries
to pull out, or all the targets to be dropped
because oh, looks we did exceed one point five degrees
celsius and we're not all you know that it hasn't
turned into hell fire and brimstone, and we're not all dead.
So I think that's what's going on is just a
little it's a little game of pretend until we actually
all just kind of agree that the thing can be

(01:19:16):
called off. That's what I think is up. So until
then he has to just go through the motions. But
don't worry about it. Nobody's gonna because come on, the
government that sends the government of Chloe Swarbrick in the
Never Never run by unicorns empowered by farts, when that
actually happens and sends twenty four billion dollars overseas, never
mind the next election like that, that government's just gonna

(01:19:37):
get torn apart. Do you know what I mean? It's
not going to happen six twenty five.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
There's no business like show business?

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
How lord?

Speaker 23 (01:19:48):
I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:19:48):
Do you ever hear the song and think that song sucks?

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:19:52):
You don't? You think what a bang to share? Right,
whether it's Sonny and Share share or Disco Diva Share
or Oscar winning actress share or modern share who does
the uber eats ads? She is just iconic and awesome.
Did you know that the year of sixty years since
Share actually debuted. Now to celebrate, she's apparently about to
strike a deal with Netflix for a tall all documentary
series and for her Hollywood stories and her secrets and stuff.

(01:20:14):
Netflix is going to pay her thirty million New Zealand dollars.
The series is going to be in seven parts. Each
episode is going to apparently likely dive into each decade
of her career, all leading up to her life now,
and her life right now apparently is quite sweet. She's
seventy nine. She's dating a man forty years younger than her.

Speaker 12 (01:20:32):
Most people would look at that and go, damn share
or damn share.

Speaker 3 (01:20:36):
You know whatever, they're not living my life.

Speaker 19 (01:20:40):
You know, nobody knows, nobody knows what goes on between us.

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
But we just have a last I don't know what
to make of that anyway, Probably don't. I don't even
want in mine. Don't worry about it anyway. The tall
All series is reportedly going to be called Sharing Her Stories.
Did you get that? To get that hearing her stories?
M hm spout c h e er in her stories

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obviously conant, thank you. It's like, really had to make
sure you got that if you cannot wait for the series.
She has released the first part of her autobiography this year,
with part two coming next year, and what I have
read so far of it is pretty good and kind
of a little bit sad actually. Anyway, Jane tip Cheriney
is going to be with us next to talk us
through the building warranties, thing go and pump.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
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Speaker 3 (01:22:01):
Simon Watts obviously hasn't read the knee was study from
back in June. Steve I love that nee. Thank you
for a reminder all of that Nee was study. If
you haven't read the Knee Was study from back in June,
can I recommend you got Well, you don't have to
read that. There's a news article that covers it. But basically,
what we're found is a giant sink that we didn't
know existed in Fieldland that is sucking up three times
as much emissions as we're putting out in a year.

(01:22:21):
So the whole thing is just you don't have to
worry about it because Fieldland's fixing it for us at
a rate of three times what we're putting out there.
But anyway, we'll carry on with the charade because apparently
we have to.

Speaker 13 (01:22:30):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:22:31):
As you know if you've been following UK politics, it's
a big day for them, like overnight for us. The
budget's coming out and Starmer's under pressure, whole bunch of
little taxes and the budget it's going to make people
really angry and god on and knows what it's going
to do to his leadership. Gavin Gray will talk us
through it when he's with us in ten minutes time.
Right now, it's twenty four away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
Hemmerdu for see Allen Now.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
Monday's Building Act overhaul announcement has lawyers warning that some
homeowners could actually be left without protection. Under the new regime,
liabilities are only assigned to the party responsible, and homeowners
of many new buildings will need to buy for themselves
a building warranty. But the lawyers are concerned it's not
gonna work. Jene Tibstrainey is The Herald's Wellington Business editor
and with us right now, Hi, Janay, what is it

(01:23:16):
that the lawyers are worried about here?

Speaker 5 (01:23:19):
All right?

Speaker 24 (01:23:19):
So the way the law works at the moment is
if that you have a problem with your home and
you reckon, there are three parties responsible. If two of
those parties are no longer in business, like your builder's
gone bust, your counsel which signed off on that build,
it might have to pay you out the full cost

(01:23:39):
of the problem.

Speaker 5 (01:23:40):
Right.

Speaker 24 (01:23:41):
So that's arguably unfair for the council, but it's good
for you as the homeowner Under the proposed changed As
you said before, Heather, the liability will be apportioned to
the person who's responsible. The issue is is that the
responsible person might not have the money to pay you out,
so the government recognized that, which is why it's saying
that if you get a house built, you have to

(01:24:02):
get a warranty on that. But the lawyers I spoke
to said that they worried these warranties were a bit
worthless in some cases. So there are so many terms
and conditions with these warranties. You know, they only provide
you cover for set time periods, usually less than ten years.
You know, problems usually crop up after a building's you know,

(01:24:25):
older than ten years. They thought that was a major concern, that,
you know, these warranties are just not that strong. The
other issue is the other thing the government said was well,
in addition to warranties, it's making engineers and architects and
the professionals involved in a build, it's making them get

(01:24:46):
professional and dimnity insurance cover. Now most of them already
have that cover. But the lawyers also worried that sometimes
that cover, you know, might not provide you enough money
for if there's a major problem, like with an apartment building.
So the lawyers were very worried, not just a little
bit worried. The other big concern is that the government

(01:25:08):
isn't requiring apartment owners to get warranties. So if you
buy an apartment, you know there is no requirement for warranties.
If there's a problem with the builder, it's going to
be hard for you to get your money.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
So this actually puts potentially apartment owned is at greater
risk than anybody else.

Speaker 24 (01:25:30):
Yes, that's exactly the case. And you know the reason
they are at greater risk because is because under the proposal,
is because they aren't existing warranties widely available for apartments
for the very reason that apartments are risky. So you know,
the government is mandating warranties for homes because these products

(01:25:53):
are already out there. It's those Master Builders, Certified Builder,
those ones. But the cover for apartments quite limited. So
you know, the lawyers I spoke to said, yes, you know,
on paper, it seems really good to say that to
apportion the liability to the person responsible, but in practice,
if there's no way of all the different parties responsible

(01:26:16):
being sufficiently ensured or there being enough backstops, then the
person that misses out as the homeowner if there is
a problem.

Speaker 3 (01:26:24):
Okay, And so insurance companies are also concerned about this.

Speaker 24 (01:26:30):
So of the main warranty providers in the market, two
of them Master builders and Certified Builders. The way they
fund their warranties is they self fund it, so you know,
you pay for your warranty that goes into a pot
of money. When there's a problem they use that pot
to pay you out. But there's another product in the
market offered by Stamford Insurance, and that one is backed

(01:26:52):
by Lloyds of London that works slightly differently. So Lloyds
of London provides back for a warranty. But you know
that there aren't lots of other products in the market,
so you would think that if insurers thought that there
was a great opportunity here, they'd be in there. But
they're not because they think it's risky. I mean, look

(01:27:15):
at New Zealand's history with building. It is very risky
and New Zealand is a small market. So you know,
Chris Pink, the Minister, reckons we might see some more
entrance to this market, but you know the fact that
they're not there already is surely a sign.

Speaker 3 (01:27:31):
Yeah, i'd say so, Hey, Jena, thanks very much, appreciate
you talking at generated trainee. The Herald's Wellington Business editor.
It's nineteen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:27:38):
The Duper Cellen.

Speaker 3 (01:27:39):
Yeah, this is one of these things that all the
way through, if you've been following what Chris Pink has
been doing all the way through, there's just been no
one who's been who stood up and said this is
a great idea. I mean, I think apart from master Builders,
because obviously they stand to benefit from it, so of
course they're going to say, but nobody else has said
it's a great idea, in which case you wonder, where
are you Pink get this idea from? And why is

(01:28:02):
he going, like, why is he persevering with this? If
no one is sort of you know, I don't know.

Speaker 19 (01:28:08):
It's because we can't be no Zealand heavy.

Speaker 3 (01:28:10):
Well, yes Zealand, go for it, Chris. No, I mean
you've still got to be obviously, thank you, You've still
got to be no to the stupid things, don't you,
and the things that are obviously not going to work. Jakarta.
Jakarta is now the biggest city in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:28:25):
It was.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
They don't do this very often, by the looks of things.
They don't go and count that, you know, how many
people are in the cities for some reason, and like
do a population cout. A proper population gout very often.
It seems like you do it like four times a century,
so every twenty five years or thereabouts. Last time they
did it in two thousand it was Tokyo, which was
the biggest. Tokyo's now fall into third place, being overtaken
by Jakarta and Bangladesh's capital capital, Duka. So this is

(01:28:47):
how it goes. Jakarta forty two million people in that city.
That's like, what is that? Seven New Zealands? If you
say that we're did I do proper maths? Just then
six times seven?

Speaker 17 (01:28:58):
What?

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
Six times seven? Ants? Don't do that to me?

Speaker 17 (01:29:02):
Is it? No?

Speaker 3 (01:29:03):
It is forty two? The German said three five? Well,
I think we've got six million. I mean, I just
don't feel like five millions fair anymore?

Speaker 17 (01:29:10):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (01:29:11):
We're five million for such a long time, we've got
to be six million, I mean five and a half atmost. Surely, Well,
I mean it's rounded up then okay, so we're six million.
So Jakarta is seven times? How good was my mass?
Just then?

Speaker 5 (01:29:22):
Hm?

Speaker 3 (01:29:22):
Hm? Erica would be proud anyway. So so seven times
the entire population of this country, probably a little bit
more fits into Jakarta, then Daka and Bangladesh thirty seven million,
Tokyo thirty three million, New Delhi in India thirty million,
Shanghai thirty million, Guangzho twenty eight million, Cairo twenty six million,
Manila twenty five million, Kolkata twenty three million, and Sol

(01:29:45):
twenty two million.

Speaker 5 (01:29:46):
Geeze.

Speaker 3 (01:29:46):
When you see places, when you see those kinds of numbers,
don't you just think, Wow, we really are small and
maybe if we add maybe if we doubled to ten million,
it wouldn't be the end of the world, would it. Now?
Speaking of yes Zeeland, which we were going to be.
Now it is looking fantastic for our mining boon because
there's a company called Tycho Critical Minerals which is preparing
to mine for critical minerals obviously the hinters in the

(01:30:08):
name near Barrytown on the West coast, and they are
going to do a twenty million dollar capital raising next
midnext year. They're looking for garnet, zircon, bunch of stuff
like that and what they do. Because we're into this,
don't don't check your head and say no, just go yes,
we're into this idea they're going to take I can't
remember what the number is. It was like maybe forty
two hectares or something like that of farmland in on

(01:30:28):
the west coast. And then they strip it to an
exist to a depth of several meters, and then they
take that that's that tops oil and all that stuff
and whatever's underneath it, and they have a mineral rich
sludge for processing. They tackle the minerals out and then
they restore the land to pasture because they put it
back better than it was, and they reckon it is
better than it was prior to mining. And we're into

(01:30:50):
this because look at that. You get better land at
the end, plus you get some money, Yes, Zealand sixteen
away from seven ever to.

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
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Speaker 3 (01:31:08):
It'd be hither essentially what Janey told us as don't
buy apartments without solid warranty. Walk away developers will soon
freak out easy thirteen away from Sephen. Gavin Gray is
a UK corresponding with us. Now, Hey, hey Gavin, happy
budget day to you.

Speaker 1 (01:31:21):
I've ever.

Speaker 5 (01:31:24):
Hi.

Speaker 3 (01:31:25):
Yeah, I feel like I've got to say it again,
Happy budget day to you, because I feel like it's not.
It's not going to be a happy budget day, is it.

Speaker 14 (01:31:31):
No?

Speaker 25 (01:31:31):
I suspect it won't be. And this is something the
government has been giving briefings to counter briefings U turn
speculation about what's going to be in this the Chancellor
laying out her plan for the economic future of the UK,
both the income, the tax intake and also the expenditure.
And I've never known a budget so widely leaked, and

(01:31:53):
then so in some instances widely U turned. So we
think we're being softened up for tax rises, income tax
rises paid out of our salary. Then all of a
sudden there's a screeching you turn on that, and now
it looks like they are going to keep the thresholds
for paying tax and tax at different levels frozen again.
So of course, as everyone earns a bit more, their

(01:32:15):
salary creeps up, and that means that some people will
now enter a new income tax threshold, a hire one,
or indeed start paying tax where they've never paid it before.
It seems to be the least unpalatable solution, and the
government hire desperately aware it is unpopular. The ratings of
the Prime Minister and the Chancellor are low, and many

(01:32:37):
in their own party are threatening to vote against what
they don't like. So this is a crucial moment in politics,
a crucial moment for the government. All the economic data
suggests tax rises, the tax take is going to have
to increase, and yet at the same time, the government's
plans for public spending on public services, healthcare, schooling, policing,

(01:32:57):
all has under huge pressure to rise. So this is
a real balancing act, not just economically but politically too,
with some predicting if it doesn't go down well with
the public and with MPs, then we could be looking
at a leadership battle.

Speaker 3 (01:33:12):
Well that seems the most likely outcome, doesn't it. And
I've been scratching my head about this Kevin. I think
like the only way that she gets herself in Keostama
out of this hole is that there is some sort
of an amazing surprise in the budget that completely blows
everyone away. But there just isn't the money for that.
So what are the chances of that?

Speaker 25 (01:33:31):
No, I think you're right, there isn't the money for that,
And there's all sorts of reports that Middle England those
who earn not excessive amounts of money in average amount,
they are going to be taxed more, and that money
is going to go to those that don't work at all,
be that for ill health or be that for just
being unemployed. Certainly, the demand is ever, ever increasing, and

(01:33:55):
any signs that this government has ever shown to try
to reduce the benefits bill and reduce spending seems to
be overturned by its own backbencher. So there's a lot
going on here, and well, everyone I suspect will be
glued to their radio in just under seven hours time
when it all starts. But as I said, a lot
of people as well saying look, you've really leaked so

(01:34:17):
much of this already, and that has had an effect
on the money markets. It's led to uncertainty, and markets
don't like uncertainty, and they are solely to blame for
doing that, and that should not have been something which
this government embarked bond.

Speaker 3 (01:34:31):
Even have they arrested more people over this heist with
the Louver.

Speaker 25 (01:34:36):
Yes they have now, Heather, there are four extra people
have been arrested. They are aged two men thirty eight
thirty nine, two women thirty one and forty all from
the Paris region, and according to the French media, among
them is thought to be the last member of the
four man gang that allegedly carried out the daylight heist.
The other three suspected thieves have already been arrested and charged.

(01:35:00):
Police now have ninety six hours to question the new
group of four, but still no trace of the duels
has ever been found. Said to be worth about one
hundred and seventy five million New Zealand dollars taken on
the nineteenth of October, and it looks like as well
now they are obviously believing that this was not some

(01:35:22):
amazing mastermind and incredibly experienced group. They actually believe them
to be sort of opportunists. But it seems so odd
that an opportunist should have a hydraulic lift on the
back of a lorry to try and access the gallery
to try and take these things out, So quite extraordinary
that they believe this is petty criminals rather than organized

(01:35:45):
crime professionals.

Speaker 3 (01:35:47):
Yeah, very fascinating stuff. I Gavin, listen, good luck today.
Hope you come out of the day not feeling too miserable.
That's Gavin Gray, UK correspondent. I imagine that we're going
to be talking a lot about the budget tomorrow. Here,
by the way, is Robert Erwin winning Dancing with the
Sound Us.

Speaker 26 (01:36:00):
Robert, My sister said a beast, thank you for.

Speaker 3 (01:36:21):
Changing my life so American. I it's like so intense.
I don't know if you could hear anything there at
all other than just stuffed off. Eight away from seven, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:36:31):
The heather too for see allan Drive full show podcast
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Speaker 3 (01:36:39):
What about this, by the way, five away from seven?
What about this? Read the parking and the braking and
all the weird stuff cars do. Hither regarding the automatic braking,
I had a hall of a scare. We had a
brand new European car and we were driving it down
Newton Road when all of a sudden that must be
in Auckland, YEP. When all of a sudden it slammed
on its own brakes, bringing the vehicle to a halt
in amongst the moving tram. It slammed the brakes on

(01:37:02):
enough that I saw from the seat belt for several days.
Drove it straight back to the dealership. The only thing
that they could think that had happened is that a
leaf or something had blown across in front of the
camera at the front of the car made it to
an emergency break. I cannot stand that feature and I
do not feel safe with it, Jason, No one does.

Speaker 19 (01:37:17):
Ants I wouldn't be buying a brand new European car
in the first place, because I mean imagine that imagining
if anything breaks on that thing, replacing the part for it,
like if the part is even in the country, it's
going to be horror.

Speaker 3 (01:37:29):
Do you know what. One of my best friends had
an Audi and then something happened and this has just
happened in the last month, and then something happened, and
then it cost her five thousand to repair it. So
she traded it in immediately and came up with a
Masda three. Well it's yes, this is the thing mat move.

Speaker 19 (01:37:43):
Yeah, yeah, you just need the AK forty seven of
cars sometimes Knocking on Heaven's Door by Guns n' Roses
to play us out tonight. Guns and Roses have announced
they will be releasing new music from two new songs
are one called Nothing and one called Atlas. They'll both
be coming out on the second of December, so I
think next week. Yeah, yeah, yeah, not too far way.
They've also announced they'll be going on tour next year Mexico, Brazil,

(01:38:04):
North America and Europe. So sadly no Eden part just yet.

Speaker 3 (01:38:08):
Well were they rubbish last time they did a tour?

Speaker 5 (01:38:13):
Oh that's right.

Speaker 19 (01:38:14):
They played at Mount Smart. Lots of Actually I do
know at least one person who went along and had
a good time. Oh no, no, hang on, I'm thinking
of the Chilies. No, yeah, never mind, totally different bad Yeah,
I was gonnay. That's music, man, it all blows together
for me. I'm sorry, it's jes.

Speaker 3 (01:38:29):
Or a troll all right. Anyway, listen, enjoy yourself. We'll
see you tomorrow. News Tooms it'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:39:18):
For more from Hither Duplessye Allen Drive. Listen live to
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