Full Show Podcast: 26 September 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
It's Heather dup to see Ellen drive with one New
Zealand Let's get connected news.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
Talk said, be.

Speaker 4 (00:15):
Afternoon coming up on the show. The warehouse is into
Emboss on how stuffed the red sheds are. Infrastructure Minister
Chris Bishop on whether Dunedin will now get a hospital
or not it's blown its budget and but Shelford on
whether he likes the idea of body and for dmac.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Heather duplic Ellen.

Speaker 4 (00:31):
Oh, that's quite the crack down on the truancy from
David Seymour, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Jeez.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
Don't expect this to go down with the go down
well with the teacher unions. So the first thing that
David Seymore was announced is that he's coming for the parents.
He's going to bring in the possibility of enforcing fines
on parents who don't send their kids to school. Now
one hundred percent the excuse makers in this country are
going to have a problem with this because it's picking
on the vulnerable, et cetera, et cetera. Let me tell

(00:57):
you something. School is compulsory in New Zealand. If it's
compulsory and you don't do it. Generally, how that works
is you get punished. A fine is your punishment. That's
how compulsion works. There's no point in having it be
compulsory and ASKO, well, it's compulsory if we're not then
prepared to also punish someone for not doing the compulsory thing.

(01:17):
And the fine is not new. It's not like David
Seamoh's dreamed up a fine here. These fines are already
on the books. They already exist. Parents can already be
fined thirty bucks a day if they don't send their
kids to school, potentially up to three thousand bucks if
they are recidivis defenders. It's just that currently, for the
longest time, the fines have not been enforced. Now, the
second thing that David Cema is doing is that he's
scrapping teacher only days during term times. Schools at the

(01:41):
moment to have to hold the teacher under these new rules,
not even new rules. Under this direction, schools will have
to hold the teacher only days in term breaks. Now
one hundred percent the school. The teacher unions are going
to complain about this, but again again this is not new.
According to David c Office, the law already says that
teacher only days should only be held during breaks right,

(02:04):
not during term time, and if they have to be
held during term time, it can only be held with
the permission of the Ministry of Education. But things have
just got a bit ropy here, haven't they. So all
David Seymour is doing here is reminding us all what
the rules already are and trying to get us to
follow the existing rules. And the fact that this is
coming across as quite a big crackdown, I think tells

(02:28):
you how loose we've got with respecting education. Keller nine
two is the text number. Standard text fees apply. We'll
talk about it a little bit later on again. Now
Hastings just a council interesting it's this afternoon voted to
allow unelected members of its youth council to have votes
in council decisions. So the kids will be allowed to

(02:49):
vote in council committees and council subcommittees and they'll be paid. Now,
the council was divided on this, seven voted for it
and seven voted against it, but ultimately the mayor had
the casting vote and the men voted for It's Chris
Proctor is the Youth Council chair.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Hay Chris Hi, how are you well?

Speaker 4 (03:05):
Thank you? How much are you getting paid.

Speaker 5 (03:08):
At this stage? I've only got a partner un job
at a cafe.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
No man for the council work.

Speaker 5 (03:15):
Look, they vote today actually didn't confirm anything. It's said
that councils have now got the ability to potentially give
us votes. It's only the first step of the stage. Nothing,
nothing's happening.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
Oh okay, so I heard it's about five hundred bucks
per meeting that you would get paid. Is that correct?

Speaker 5 (03:29):
Yes, if I can give you some context for that.
The Youth Council, at the beginning of this process, we
never intended remuneration.

Speaker 6 (03:38):
We're not here for remuneration. That's not our purpose.

Speaker 5 (03:41):
But council officers informed us that it would be against
council values to treat people differently that are working on
those committees, and ultimately that's the decision we respect, and
we said that the conversations that happened in the next couple
of weeks they will determine whether we get remunerated or not.
But we've made a position.

Speaker 4 (03:57):
Waking there and how many of you are there?

Speaker 5 (04:00):
There are seventeen of us youth counselors.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
How much seven did you just say?

Speaker 5 (04:03):
Seventeen seventeen of us youth counselors. But at this stage
there will be one youth counselor on the scent on
the subcommittee.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
Yep, okay, so only only one of you would be
being paid, not all seventeen.

Speaker 5 (04:15):
Oh gosh, no, no, no, actually not.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
And how many meetings would this one person attend in
a year?

Speaker 5 (04:21):
And the year for standing committees there is about four
meetings a year and they last for roughly around five
to six hours.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
Okay, so about two thousand bucks a.

Speaker 6 (04:29):
Year potentially if the councilors, as the councilors agree.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
Okay, why why should there be a youth counselor who
has voting rights that's a really good Christion and is
paid for it?

Speaker 5 (04:45):
Absolutely, that is a really good question. I've still give
you a little bit of context. Youth counselor's got the
ability to sit on council subcommittees in twenty twenty and
with the first council in Zion to have the ability
to do that, and there is exact samples of unelected
members with voting rights who.

Speaker 6 (05:03):
Are remunerated across the country. Which count samples.

Speaker 5 (05:08):
In Hastings specifically, we have the Tackle Too Normalmori Standing Committee.
They are unelected members and they have voting rights in
their committees.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
And now the youth.

Speaker 6 (05:20):
What was that?

Speaker 5 (05:21):
Sorry?

Speaker 4 (05:21):
And now the youth? Yes, now we were so why
but why why should if I was an if I
was a rate payer at Hastings and was not stoked
about having to pay someone else to do a job, what,
how would you sell it to me that you need
to do this job? Like I have got to pay
you to do this job? Why?

Speaker 5 (05:40):
Look, we've never intended for remuneration.

Speaker 6 (05:42):
That's never been I know that.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
But you are going to get it, really, I mean
you're going to get it obviously, So why should you
be doing this job?

Speaker 5 (05:51):
We want to we want to bring a voice to
the council table and we want to make sure that
in areas like flex me in in New Zealand and
flex Me in Hastings, there is almost fifty percent of
population under the age of twenty five, and we feel
that it's important, especially for we have really really low
by the turn out in this under twenty five category,

(06:12):
and that's the actually that we set out to solve.
And if we can get someone on a council committee
and a young person sees them on there and they
see they have input and altogether this is going to
have such a small impact on the overall.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
Why don't they just run? I mean, this is an
analected position. Why don't they just run for council?

Speaker 5 (06:28):
There is under over eighteen. There's very small numbers of
people who are eighteen nineteen twenty who are actually councils
in New Zealand, and there is an overpresentation of not
young people.

Speaker 6 (06:44):
And so we want to make sure that we want
to make sure that.

Speaker 5 (06:47):
There is an ability for us they have some sort
of some sort of voice in that process.

Speaker 6 (06:52):
And it's a small change for us. We already sit
on the committee. Yeah and yeah, whether the remuneration goes
through or not that it's not up to christ What
are you I'm steven ten years of age?

Speaker 4 (07:03):
Okay? Do you own a house?

Speaker 7 (07:05):
No?

Speaker 4 (07:05):
I didn't pay rates?

Speaker 8 (07:08):
No?

Speaker 5 (07:08):
I did not?

Speaker 4 (07:09):
Okay? And yeah, so how good are you with money
if you don't own a house and pay rates and bills?

Speaker 5 (07:18):
Look, I want to make really clear that the decision, Yes,
I do have saving how much have you got? I
don't want to discuss that's.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
The right answer. I could not answer it. But you
see why why this may be. I think this is
a bitter pill to swallow. To be honest with you,
if I was a Hayes Thing's rate payer and I've
just been told I'm paying tweet, what did you What
was your rates increase? Was it nineteen or twenty five percent?

Speaker 5 (07:43):
That's a that's a stage increase over three years.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
Yeah, and what was it?

Speaker 5 (07:48):
I'm not actually sure.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
I think it was learn.

Speaker 4 (07:50):
That, but if it's like nineteen or twenty five percent
or something, it's astronomical like that, which is somewhere around there.
And I was just told that I am now going
to have to listen to the opinion of a young
person who doesn't even own their own house or pay
the bills. I think I might not be totally cool
with that. What do you think?

Speaker 5 (08:08):
I agree with you completely. Rights degrees have been huge
for communities, and that's why we've always said we don't
want to be paid council offices and formulatts against council values,
and we have to accept that position.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
I think you're kind of missing my point. My point
is I don't actually even want you to have a say,
not because I don't like you. You sound like a
really smart like you're going places. You're obviously super smart,
but you're seventeen years old, mate, I don't care what
you think. Like, that's kind of how a lot of
ratepayers are going to think.

Speaker 5 (08:36):
Right, that's a fair position to have. That depends on
it depends on what the majority thinks then in this case, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
Yeah, Chris, thank you. I really appreciate you having a
chat to us, and I do really mean it. You
are going to go places, Chris Procter, the youth council
chair was nineteen percent, So I don't know how you
feel about that, Hastings, but at nineteen percent rate increases,
I'd be expecting my counsel to try to find ways
to save money, not find ways to spend more money
on stuff that does literally nothing. Sixteen past four.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
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Speaker 4 (09:22):
Darcy water Grave Sports Talkhoasters with me a dark ed
of plicyl so what do you take on the A
B side before that?

Speaker 9 (09:29):
Can I just like mention where I'm going to the
TB this weekend and when I'm to Yorkers I've been
going I'd say really well so far, but I'd be lying.
But there's a really good NRL on this week he Yeah,
there's the preliminary final basically.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
Semi finals going on.

Speaker 9 (09:43):
There's a couple of fantastic fixtures. You need to look
at Melbourne Storm on the Sydney Roosters. To me, this
is huge becuse I've got two huge aggressive props both
from New Zealand up against each other, Jared Whyed a
hard race is last season and Nelson Solomona, so that
collision has gone. I don't think they're taking any bets
on who gets taken off on a stretcher first. But

(10:05):
if you want to take a look at this Melbourne Storm,
go for a multi oka Storm one to twelve to
win that thirty one to forty total points and will
rulbrick anytime try score. That's paying eighteen dollars and four cents.

Speaker 4 (10:19):
Get it there on a crazy cray. Don't make you
very rich, all right? So what do you think of
the all black squad.

Speaker 9 (10:27):
I'm really pleased that they've not changed one through eight.
I think that says a lot about where Robertson's heads
at that has stayed the same. They've got a couple
of changes off the bench. Patty Tuops. Patrick is back
in favor again. Whis good, but we're not in favor.
It's not broken anymore was the point. But it says

(10:47):
a lot to me. I'm on the Australians, I'm going, oh,
it's the same pack. They know what they're they know
what they have to do. Our great tick for Wai
and the number six jersey again further sharpening his blade,
maybe become the full time number six out back. We
this was forecast by so many people, Limb Napier plainly.
And we've got Biden Barrett coming in at ten. I

(11:09):
got no issue with that. Mackenzie doing what he probably
does best, which is coming off the bench. Anton Lennett
Brown rolls in where there is no Jordi Barrett, and
then we switch around with Cortezima who's out TJ Pittinara
in his last game in Wellington. And you think about
that combination that TJ and Boden that will probably work
quite well. When they flick the switch and get the

(11:29):
bench sorted out. Suddenly you've got Ratima and McKenzie, who
also have a relationship at the Chiefs coming on.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
So that's the nob.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
Yeah, this is to your theory that dmac does well
in chaos and so because you think he's the kind
of player that that really excels in chaos. P not
with them drive it, not with their structure and so
what you need in the first sixty minutes of structure,
but by the last sixty to eighty minutes, at last
twenty minutes, you've just got people who are so knacked
it becomes chaotic. And then he can work his magic.

Speaker 9 (11:58):
Providing they don't get to us situation where we're twenty
minutes to go, the All Blacks are down by fifteen and.

Speaker 4 (12:03):
Then it's like, oh, but too much pressure.

Speaker 9 (12:05):
Those They've got to have faith in him, and I
think people are being criticized. I think he knows and
then maybe he provides something else, but they get kicker
here for me, Can they score in the last twenty minutes?

Speaker 10 (12:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (12:16):
Will the All Blacks actually bother the scoreboard attend in
the last twenty minutes?

Speaker 4 (12:21):
It's demac redemption time, isn't it in the last twenty minutes,
isn't it? Hey, thank you, dars appreciate it.

Speaker 9 (12:25):
That's credit starts as well. I'll past for Sri Lanka
won the toss and they stuffed us into bat and
sorry they're batting first, and we have no changes to their.

Speaker 4 (12:35):
Living good stuff. Hey, thank you for that, Darcy water
Grab Sports Talk cost be back at seven o'clock this evening.
It's full twenty two.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Heather Duplicy Allen cutting through the noise to get the facts.
It's hither Duplicy Allen drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected and you talk.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
As they'd be.

Speaker 4 (12:51):
Oh no, Winston's at the un and Winston is grumpy.

Speaker 11 (12:55):
A second core pillar of our efforts must be respectful
international humanity in law and the best extendards of humanity
that a protects or maybe a third principle. When somebody's
addressing you, the rest of the people in the room
keep quiet, madam, share is me, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 4 (13:17):
Normally he's on his best behavior when he's out there
trying to impress them, but I think he's I feel like, yeah, anyway,
maybe he's jet lagged. Who knows, you know, like, let's
not Judge Winston. He's out there trying to do the bit.
He's trying to hustle for us. For twenty six Speaking
of hustling, almost unbelievably, we've signed the FTA with the
UAE today. This is the fastest ever trade deal as

(13:37):
far as we can tell that New Zealand's ever signed
it in four months, started in May, sign in September,
Thank you very much, and off we go. It's going
to lift duties on about ninety eight point five percent
of New Zealand's experts immediately. That will rise to ninety
nine percent within three years. And then Todd McLay, the
Trade Minister, will be with us to talk us through
that after six But I'm sure Barry Soapa is gonna
have something to say when he's with us in twenty
minutes time. Bad news for duneed and unfortunately got problems

(14:01):
with the new hospital project, so it's blown. Its budget
apparently was originally one point eight eight billion. Now apparently
it's looking like a three billion dollar project, which is
just too much for them. So they've got two options, right,
because Dunedin needs a hospital. It's going to have. It's
going to have to have this. It's either basically to
keep on developing on the old site or just build
a new one on the new site, but like a

(14:23):
really small one. So we'll have a chat to the
Infrastructure Minister Chris Bishop about that after five o'clock and
get his take on it. Hither, I agree that that
young man should not be part of decision making, but
he sounds more intelligent and capable than Wellington's dumb mayor.
That's true. Trevor's onto something there. Hither, I don't agree
with the young man from Hawk's Bay, but he impressed me.
He spoke well and thought well from his corner. Here

(14:43):
the Chris Proctor. That's the young man. Remember this name,
By the way, I think he's going places. Chris Proctor
is year twelve at my son's school. To be fair,
he is a frigging genius. He's top in the year
in every subject and he's doing year thirteen subjects. How
about that. He'd have brains than most counselors. I'm happy
to pay for him. Hither, you are mean how about

(15:03):
asking why do we let women vote? Well, Look, shockingly,
the reason would be because women pay their rates, whereas
people under eighteen don't, so that would be the reason.
Headlines next.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Hard questions, Strong opinion Heather Duper see Ellen drive with
one New Zealand.

Speaker 12 (15:26):
Let's get connected and news talk as it Bestirline.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
Very old standing by out of Australia to be with
us shortly, very sober. In ten minutes time, and after
five o'clock we're going to have a chat to a
Northland principle who's actually been on the show a fair
a few times, Pat Newman. I've got a lot of
time for him. He's going to talk through what he
makes of David Seymour's crackdown on true and see today
and incidentally also Errecka Stanford's announcement on education, which I'll
run you through very shortly. NIEWAH is going to take

(16:05):
over the Met Service. Something was coming, something had to
be coming, because I don't know if you realize this,
but it's the most unbelievably boring story because who can
imagine that weather forecasters fight with each other? But yeah,
the weather forecasters have been fighting with each other. There's
been a long standing feud between NIEWA and Met Service
about who gets to prodict what happens with the weather.

(16:27):
Well not anymore because Judy's put a stop to this
due to Collins. The Science Minister has said the two
of them are going to have to join with each
other and Niwa's going to take over because Neila got
the computer the other day, remember, so it was kind
of inevitable they'd be the big daddy in this one.
We don't know when it's going to happen, but at
least we know it's going to happen twenty four away
from five.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
It's the world wires on news talks. He'd be drive.

Speaker 4 (16:47):
So starting in the Middle East, where Israel has signaled
the possible ground invasion of Lebanon, if.

Speaker 13 (16:53):
You will go in, destroy the enemy there and decisively
destroy their infrastructure, these are the things that will allow
us later to return the residence of the North safely.

Speaker 14 (17:01):
Israel knows that it's expanded operation against Hezbolla raises the
risk of more missiles being fired from Lebanon towards Tel Aviv.
There's also the possibility of Iran once again launching strikes.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
Zelenski has been speaking to the UN with concerning reports
about Putin's plans.

Speaker 15 (17:20):
Recently, I received yet another alarming report from our intelligence.
Now Putin does seem to be planning attacks on our
nuclear power plants and the infrastructure, aiming to disconnect the
plants from the power grid.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
To the US campaign trial where Trump's been in North
Carolina attacking Zelensky.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Ukraine is gone.

Speaker 16 (17:43):
It's not Ukraine.

Speaker 17 (17:45):
You can never replace those cities and towns, and you
can never replace the dead people, so many dead people.
Any deal, even the worst deal, would have been better
than it would have been much better. They would have
given up a little bit and everybody would be living,
and every bill thing would be built.

Speaker 16 (18:00):
Then every tower would.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
Be aging, because that's what we want our towers to do.
And then he city wants to blow up run.

Speaker 16 (18:09):
But we're the president. I would inform the threatening country
in this case Iran, that if you do anything to
harm to this person, we are going to blow your
largest cities and the country itself to smithereens.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
We're going to blow it to smithereins.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
You can't do that, and finally, you can't. We now
know what Katie Pierry is going to get paid when
she does the Old AFL Grand Final this weekend, and
it is a cool five million Aussie dollars as about
five point five New Zealand. She's only going to do
five songs, so that's a million bucks a song, and

(18:47):
she's only going to play one new song and the
rest will be bangers, which, frankly, for that kind of money,
should be zero new songs and five bangers.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind
for New Zealand Business Murray Olds.

Speaker 4 (19:01):
I was just correspondent with us MARS.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
I feel a bit sick. I paid her out on Tuesday. Now.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
Well, I mean, you know, like, I feel like the
AFL guys have actually done a bat They're obviously not
very good at negotiations because if you're paying that kind
of money, you get to say five bangers, don't you, mate?

Speaker 18 (19:17):
I would have got crowded house much more relevant to Australia.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
Do you reckon AFL fans like Katie Perry, Well, look and.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
Most of them I'd be bogans like me. They wouldn't.
They would never have heard of her.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
Nah, So you probably want like nickel Back or something
like that, don't you Nickelback?

Speaker 3 (19:33):
I don't know them either, or muzz Come on may.

Speaker 18 (19:37):
No mate, no, no, no, honestly, give me Charlie Musselwide
or taj Mahal.

Speaker 4 (19:42):
Okay, yeah, you're your old school bogan, so I'm going
to give you that. Now listen, what is going on
which is also cool. What's going on with the Labor
policy on investment properties. What's going on here?

Speaker 18 (19:52):
This is a policy bit like Harry Potter and the
person who must never have his name used, which is Voldemort.
This negative gearing. It's a policy. It's been around for
about thirty years. Basically, if you have an investment property,
and a fair number of Australians do, if you pay
more and outgoing so they put a new kitchen in

(20:12):
or do up the bathroom where you're paying strata fees,
repairs rates and so on, you can claim that as
a big tax deduction, massive tax breaks for negative geared
properties if you spend more on the property than you
make and rent. Okay, So that's and also there's a
special capital gains tax component that applies to investment properties.

(20:32):
So the last two elections Labor a bigger partner the
elections twenty sixteen twenty nineteen, Labor went to the election
saying we're going to reform.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
This area of tax and they got creamed.

Speaker 18 (20:44):
So, you know, very tentatively, because we've got a house
and crisis year, interest rates staying high. Labor has suggested,
ever so slightly that maybe reform to negative gearing would
be the way to go.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
Sentiments dramatically turned against.

Speaker 18 (21:01):
Old boomers like you know, like me, like other MPs
in the in the country, many of whom I mean
Peter Dutton's got about six or seven investment properties. He's
a multi multimillionaire, and young people are saying, listen to you,
old fogies and suits, we want a chance to get
into the housing market. So Albanize's running a million miles

(21:22):
an hour away from this suggestion. He said, oh, look,
I didn't I haven't asked for any of this word
to be done. It's being done by Treasury, Okay. So
he's trying to put distance out there. But at the
same time he's trying to whistle to the young people
who are trying to get in the housing market. We
hear your complaints, and maybe you're going to see a
policy that's going to allow those tax breaks. And they're

(21:42):
worth hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars every year.
Maybe one property not ten or fifteen like some people own.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
Okay, so it's very difficult.

Speaker 4 (21:52):
You'll see how it goes down. Hey, you guys sending
the or federal government sending any MPs over to Israel
for the October seven Commitmenty, yes, yes.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
The Attorney General is going Mark Dreyfus.

Speaker 18 (22:01):
He is the most senior Jewish MP in the Federal government,
very yet bright fellow, and he's going to represent Australia
in Israel or October seventh, of course, one year since
that dreadful, horrible Hamas attack on Israeli citizens. The visit conditional, obviously,
Heather on whether it's safe given the ongoing Garza conflict
now attacks in Lebanon by Israel, and Hezbolla also going

(22:25):
with Mark Dravis.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
He was asked to go by Albanizi. The ex Prime.

Speaker 18 (22:29):
Minister Scott Morrison is also going to be there, both
he and Dravis, apparently giving speeches at Accounter Terrorism Summit.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Here in Australia.

Speaker 18 (22:37):
The Jewish community has got major events planned for October seven,
plus a candle that vigil across the country the night before.
But the's anger because there's these morons anti Israel protesters
over here are also planning pro Palestinian rallies to mark
the anniversary, which is obviously not not very well received
over here.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
No, I can imagine. Now, what do you make of
this defacing of the Indian born woman? You know that
placards and stuff in Melbourne.

Speaker 18 (23:06):
Yeah, here's a woman who came to Australia from India
as a four year old. She's now nearly fifty. She's
been here all of bloody life. I mean, hello, she's
an Australian. New morons and people with IQs about their
shoe size because she is standing for local government in
an area called Casey in western Melbourne. Here's a fact

(23:28):
for the idiot who defaced the posters, go back home
to where you came from Australia. For Australians, I mean,
this is the sort of level of debate in Casey.
Almost fifty percent of the people who live in Casey
were born overseas.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
So this lovely.

Speaker 18 (23:42):
Young woman apparently you know, Jamal Kahan Singh is her name,
and very dignified, she says, listen, I don't know who
did this. I don't get much care, but here's the thing, moron,
I am modern Australia.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
I am contemporary Australia.

Speaker 18 (23:58):
I was born overseas, but here I am making a
contribution to my community, as are so many other Aussies
and people like this, you know, defacing her electoral posters
honest to gre I mean, what would you do with them?

Speaker 3 (24:09):
You just give them a belt and the bum. Wouldn't
you just say what morods would do that?

Speaker 19 (24:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (24:15):
No, it's hard to explain in it is out now racism.
Judging by what's written on the billboards, mus listen, thank you,
I always really appreciated. That's Murray Olds, our Australia correspondent.
Of all of the education announcements today, I suspect that
this is one that's going to make the teachers even
more angry than the others and teaching unions. I should
be quite clear about that, because you can't speak on
behalf of all teachers. But the Education Minister, Erica Stanford,

(24:37):
has has announced that she is going to cut the
funding that has been set aside to teach teach teachers
how to speak toell and she's going to redivert that
funding to spend on maths resources. Now, that is going
to get people's backs up if you are feeling that
you're getting your back up, let me ask you this
question and just just have a think about this and

(24:58):
it might it might maybe make you decide whether you
want to get your back up about this or not.
Absolutely toil Mary is important and a second language is important.
But is a second language more important than mathematics? Very so?
As next quarter two.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get payments certainty.

Speaker 4 (25:19):
Very political corrosors together jump the gun. So what's the
Marti Party?

Speaker 20 (25:24):
You had to say, well, you know, this is a
party that would said it would like harmonious race relations
in this country. And they put out what really is
an inflammatory statement under the name of rivalry way to
te the co leader of the party. It talks about
a new wave of colonization and the attacks on Maldi

(25:47):
and they list a number of things like throwing out
the smoke free targets, which they say sentenced more Maldi
to premature death. There was one answer to that, give
up smoking like many of us have done, aside stepping
the treaty with the fast track legislation that are rung
a tamariki changes. There they say they're stealing our Makapuna

(26:12):
extracting oil and gas. They say restoring three strikes. Well,
don't be bad boys building mega prison again, don't be
bad boys resurrecting boot camps again. Stop you know, play
play the rules in the country. So they've basically set
the scene for what went on in Parliament this afternoon,

(26:35):
and that was outside inside Parliament in the debating chamber. Now,
I've talked a lot about standards in the debating chamber
and we saw one of their Maldi MPs now before
the Privileges Committee, Takatu Ferris, who basically told lies in
the debating chamber. Now we've got another one not telling lies.

(26:57):
But Maria Meno Kapa King. She's the t Taitokora MP
and she beat Calvin Davis. This party has really made
a big comeback in the last election when you consider
the South Harland electorate, the Nau who are people? And
now this one in Te Taitokoro, Well, Kapakini, perhaps someone

(27:19):
should have told her how to ask an acceptable question
in parliament?

Speaker 21 (27:24):
Does he agree that the actions of this government, of
his government constitute ethnicide, the deliberate and systematic whole health
just Paywa thirty systematic destruction of the culture of an
ethnic group.

Speaker 22 (27:38):
It's outside the bounds of what would be reasonable inside
the house. There are other ways of asking a question.

Speaker 21 (27:44):
Does he agree that the actions of this government constitute deculturation,
the deliberate and systemic, systematic destruction of culture, Magi culture.

Speaker 22 (27:56):
That's not an order either. I'm inviting no member to
ask you a question in a different way, and I'm
sure you did that.

Speaker 21 (28:02):
Does he agree that the actions of this government constitute
harm and poverty and such things that impact on mady?

Speaker 20 (28:15):
Yeah, So the question was to a government minister. But
you know they said, well, they are doing their best
to appease Moldy in many ways, not just what has
been listed in the Statements of grievance by waited.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
Tim Okay hate this UAE deal, big deal.

Speaker 20 (28:36):
Well, you know, I initially thought it was the Gulf
States deal. Well, I remember, you know, traveling through with
John Key and going to places like Saudi Arabia and
the United Arab Emirates, and I remember at the end
of that them saying, well, a trade deal is virtually written.
All has to happen now is for the ink to

(28:57):
dry and the paper and for the translation from Arabic
to English, and we all thought this is fantastic because
if it was with the Golf States, it's enormous. This
is with the United Arab Emirates as a population of
around nine million people. It's good and nobody can deny that.
And they've done it in super quick time. But all

(29:18):
the groundwork was laid probably ten years ago when they
were negotiating with the Golf States, and that's the big
that's the big apple that we're after. This one is
really quite small beer. Nevertheless, it's good because at least
we've got a foothold in the Golf region and I
think that's probably very important. Even Labor in Parliament this

(29:39):
afternoon agreed that it was done in super quick time
and it was a good effort.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
Yeah, and it will by the sounds of things, it's
actually warming the GCC up.

Speaker 20 (29:48):
Well that's the whole point, isn't it. Once they look
at that. But look believe it. Saudi Arabia is a
really difficult customer. And you'll remember the live sheep deal
and the farm and Saudi Arabia inside all that sort.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
Of stuff that saw everything for you.

Speaker 4 (30:03):
All about that Saudi sheet farm deal. Okay, Barry, thanks
very much. Barry so Per, senior political correspondent eight away
from five putting.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
The tough questions to the news speakers, the mic asking
Breakfast we got.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
The report into the pylon.

Speaker 23 (30:15):
Debarcle lays the blame at the feet of Transpower Transpowers
Executive General Manager of grit Delivery Mark ryle Is Witherspool.
Where are we at with compensation for the Northland region?

Speaker 10 (30:23):
Festill?

Speaker 7 (30:24):
It's impossible to guarantee supply one hundred percent of the.

Speaker 19 (30:26):
Time, but not all caught on me here.

Speaker 10 (30:29):
Yes, I agree, and the value that electricity air is
hugely higher than what we need to charge, so there's
no you can a little to provide the compensation.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
I'd like to.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
Now you're dodging me.

Speaker 23 (30:39):
If you've got insurance and you cocked it up, you
got to put it right because it's the putting right
that counts.

Speaker 7 (30:44):
We are looking to particularity into the community and we
don't have an ability within our framework to pay compensation.

Speaker 23 (30:50):
Back tomorrow at six am, the mic asking Breakfast with
the Jaguar f page used talk zb.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
Here the last week out of the blue, my daughter's
school had a marking day, so she was home and
that affected me working here. What even as a marking day?
What's a marking day? It feels like something then, Ana,
it feels like paperworker should be doing in spare time.
I don't know, I don't know. They already do have
quite adequate maths at school here that this is just
ridiculous taking the money away from today or thank you

(31:16):
Lynn Lna. I would say that you are wrong on that.
We obviously do not have adequate maths at school, given
the fact that fifty four percent of our kids in
the most recent exams failed maths. Let me just repeat
that for you, fifty four percent failed maths. We do
not do maths adequately. We need to put more resources
into maths. The question is where do you get it
from hither. I'm a secondary maths teucher, a teacher, and

(31:37):
I'm Maori. I Loveterdeo, but I support Erica Stanford cutting
funding to TEDEO or for teachers. There are plenty of
free courses around. That's from Joe Listen. It is I
can understand that people get upset about it. I get upset.
I get upset about this. I am so frustrated that
we're so monolingual in this country. I really am like,
it is so debilitating for our kids that they literally

(31:58):
can only speak one language in it English and this
is this is kids born in New Zealand, right. Migrant
kids don't have that problem. Migrant kids are coming here
with multiple languages and they're super smart as a result
of it. And it frustrates me endlessly. But but if
you have to pick between a language, a second language
for your child or maths, you've got to go for math's.
Maths is the one that's going to land them another job.
And you know, it's hard to it's hard to imagine

(32:19):
that learning Maori proficiently is going to have quite the
same impact on their lives unfortunately. Anyway, we'll talk to
Pat Newman about that after five o'clock, and then Chris
Bishop on what's going on with the Dunedin Hotel Hospital
Geez Hotel. The day you think it's a hotel stay
at the hospital is a day that you're really quite
do landly, isn't it. And then after that Buck Shelford

(32:41):
is going to be with us to tell us what
he makes of the old switcheroony body in for DMAC
and TJ. In mm hmm, get us take on it.
Newstalks b.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,
get the answers by the facts and give the analysis.
Heather due to see Alan Drive with One New Zealand
let's get connected and news talk as.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
They'd be.

Speaker 4 (33:19):
Good afternoon. A big crackdown today on truancy. Teacher only
days will no longer be allowed during term time and
parents will be prosecuted for continued absence of their kids.
Pat Newman is the spokesperson for that. I talk at
our Principles Association apat HI.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
How are you good?

Speaker 8 (33:35):
Thank you?

Speaker 4 (33:35):
This is a good move, right.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
Oh brilliant.

Speaker 24 (33:39):
If you want to put something and it doesn't work
but sounds good politically.

Speaker 4 (33:42):
What do you think is not going to work?

Speaker 24 (33:45):
The whole concept that finding people is going to get
kids into schools? I mean, the cold hard reality is
that it's been tried, it's been on the box, it
hasn't worked. That's why it's not used. And by apping
the penalty, that's not really going to work a heck
of a lot either, because if you haven't got it,

(34:07):
you can't pay it, so the fine means nothing, unless,
of course, he's going to make Nath a prison big
enough and then put parents in there jal them if
they don't have their kids at school and they can't
afford to pay the fine.

Speaker 4 (34:22):
What about the teacher only days only been during term time?
Are you okay with that?

Speaker 24 (34:29):
Some people are referring to certain gentlemen as being an
educational megalomaniac. I of course would never say that, but
some people are because he hasn't got that authority. As indeed,
the authority, the authority the minister has is to say
you don't have to do your two hundred days, which

(34:51):
is the primary school one, that you can have a
teacher any day. He can say that all right. However,
if a school starts at a different time or anything
like that, we have days up our sleeve. We can
take those whenever we want to, and he has not
the authority to say no to that.

Speaker 4 (35:09):
Are you talking about the fact that you have a
flexible start time and let's say at the start of
the year or whatever, and you might use those days
as teacher only days.

Speaker 24 (35:15):
Yeah, well, we might do stuff and have kids back
for a trip in the holidays, or we could spend
a special course in the holidays and do five hours
a day on mathematics, and that would in the holiday
what was some term holiday time, and that would classify
us as school being open.

Speaker 4 (35:32):
So how it's been explained to me is that the
Act actually says that these teacher only days actually should
be taken during the break time, and if they're going
to be taken during the term time, it is with
the sign off of the Ministry of Education. Is that correct?

Speaker 24 (35:46):
Yes, that is education. That is sorry, that is correct,
And I'm not arguing that. What I am arguing is
that we are only required by law to be open
for two hundred school days yet, so therefore, if we
have stuff done in the holidays, then we can actually
not do the two hundred or we can do extra

(36:07):
teacher any days.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
Yeah, yeah, I see what you're saying. You've got power
of your own. What do you make of taking the
money out of the teacher training for Terrell and putting
it into maths.

Speaker 24 (36:20):
Of all of the things that this government is intending
to do, this is probably the most appalling and deplorable
actions I have ever heard and ever come out. And
I never thought i'd hear at the New Zealand and
I've got to think about other countries like the Inuits

(36:41):
in Canada, where the same sort of stuff has been done.
I look here as appalling. I don't know whether the
Minister Seemore thinks at all that the teacher has to
do is to be able to pronounce the child's name
correctly and that's all that matters. Every bit of research,

(37:01):
every bit of educational knowledge that I have, and I
think it might be a bit more than mister Seymour's,
and even the current ministers says that what they have
done is educationally and morally.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
Role Pat, thank you for your time. Pat Newman spokesperson
put that I talk at our Principles Association.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Heather Duper See Ellen, that's your drawing.

Speaker 4 (37:22):
Board for the new de Needin Hospital. Governments Commission to
report that's found that the plans cannot be delivered for
the one point eight eight billion dollar there is budgeted
more realistic price tag where around three billion bucks in
the government says that is completely unaffordable. The Infrastructure Minister
is Chris Bishop ha Bish Hello, okay, so what are
you planning to do? Are you are you going to
cut this down? Are you going to make it a
smaller thing? Or are you just going to build it

(37:42):
bit by bit by bit.

Speaker 25 (37:45):
We're going to take advice from Health New Zealand on that,
but what's clear is that we can't deliver a hospital
at the cost that it's going to come in at.
We're looking at a three billion dollar bilt. It started
life as one point two one point four billion back
in twenty seven. The current project funding is one point
five to nine billion. We tipped in another two hundred

(38:05):
and ninety earlier in the year and we've now got
the latest pricing in from the contractor and it's hundreds
of millions of dollars over that, and it turns out
that there's four hundred million bucks that no one even
thought about, and the last government didn't even do business
cases for all of those other things that are required.
So you're looking at the thick end of three billion bucks. Frankly,
we need to think about the trade offs here. There

(38:26):
are hospital facilities around the country and Hawk's Bay, Pami Toron,
Fong Ray Nelson. Those regions need upgrades as well, they
need maintenance and they need CAPEX going into them. If
we spend three billion dollars on a hospital for Dunedin,
it potentially comes at risk of those projects, so we
do have to try and deliver it for the one
point eight eight billion we've set that as a cap.

(38:47):
There's two options on the table. One is that we
revised the current project within its existing structural envelope that's
on the new site.

Speaker 8 (38:55):
That could look at reducing the.

Speaker 25 (38:56):
Number of floors, delaying the fit out of some of
the areas, or identify own some services that could be
retained on the existing hospital site. Second options, we do
a stage development on the old hospital site and we've
asked for advice on that and once we've got some
clarity on the next steps, we'll make that public.

Speaker 4 (39:13):
What's going on here? Is the contract taking the mickey
or is this just what it costs to build a hospital.

Speaker 25 (39:19):
Look, the history of this project is a troubled one
and it goes back to twenty seventeen twenty eighteen. The
new site, the old Cadbury site has significant issues. So
there's contaminated ground issues, there's piling difficulties, flood level risk,
it's surrounded by three state highways, it's got an extremely
constrained construction site. So since the twenty seventeen business case,

(39:43):
the original one the cost per square meter to build
it has gone up by two hundred percent, so it's
ten thousand bucks a square meter back in twenty seventeen,
it's now thirty thousand dollars a square meter, and that
is largely down to the site selection which was done back.

Speaker 8 (39:55):
In twenty eighteen. So look, we are where we are.
We're just trying to be.

Speaker 25 (39:59):
As upfront and trans parent with the people of Duneda
and in fact the people of New Zealand about this project.
It's been troubled for quite some time. We've been shocked
upon coming to government at just how troubled the project
is and what we need to do is be as
upfront and transparent as possible. So Shane Read and I
went down to Dunedin today. We met with all the
mayors and the local leadership, we met with the clinical
leadership there, we met with the hospital team down there.

(40:20):
We've been as completely transparent as possible. We've released the
independent report that we have commissioned into the project, and
the people have to need a need honesty. The projects
in trouble and it's now our job to get it
back on track.

Speaker 4 (40:32):
Besh, thank you very much for your time. I appreciate
it and good luck. That's Chris Bishop, the Infrastructure.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Minister, Heather du for Sels.

Speaker 4 (40:38):
It sounds like there might be breakthrough with the Israel
Lebanon situation and maybe a cease fire deal coming. Senior
US officials have said they expect a cease fire deal
to be implemented in the coming hours along the Israel
Lebanon border. This is very very clearly only about that
northern Border's got nothing to do with Gaza, so there's
no cease fire deal for Gaza. Here. Ceasefire will be

(41:01):
for twenty one days along the Blue Line, which is
the demarcation line that divides Lebanon from Israel and the
Golden Heights, And in those twenty one days, the hope
is that they will use that to negotiate towards a
potential resolution of the conflict that by the way, you
may not remember this, but it has been going on
since October eighth last year. Lebanon has been hurl in
the old missiles and the rockets at Israel this whole time.

(41:23):
So hence what's going on. We're gonna have a chat
next to buck Shelford quarter past. I'm gonna get to
the text on pat because like I'm in an thick
and fast and just to Ticke it's eighteen past five now.
The All Blacks have made three changes to the back
line for Saturday's final home test of the year. Body
gets the nod at ten, so dmac is out, TJ
starts at half back and then Antoine Lennet Brown will
play at second five. Buck Shelford is a former All

(41:45):
Blacks captain, is with us now, Hey, Buck, Hi, how
are you very well? Thank you?

Speaker 10 (41:50):
Do you reckon?

Speaker 4 (41:50):
Body's the right call here?

Speaker 2 (41:53):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (41:53):
Well, we're gonna I think they're trying to mix it
up and trying to get the combinations that they want
to see, see something something different and maybe in the
attack side about things, Body might do a bit different
but compared to them, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
Do you think that d mac has cooked his goose?

Speaker 10 (42:10):
Well, he's got another chance. I think he's a very
good higher. But it's you know, when you're playing, when
you're playing at that level, there at some time to
wait because you probably have more time at the lower
level compared to being you know, playing chess bats rocks,
you don't have as much time. And the thing is

(42:31):
he has time when he flays the chiefs and things
like that, and he's just going to get used to,
you know, reacting faster, and I think he needs to
stand up a deeper all those sort of things.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
Yeah, and then the TJ decision. Is this a sentimental
thing because this is his last game in Wellington?

Speaker 10 (42:45):
Do you think? Well, it could be and you know something,
as I thought, he played pretty well when he come
on last week. But you know, he's been a good
servant to the brand and I think that he deserves
it a start.

Speaker 4 (42:59):
What about Mark t Leah, what's going on here?

Speaker 10 (43:03):
Well, Mark's a different kettle of fisher. We've got so
many good wings at the moment and possibly, you know,
there might be doing a little bit of rotation, just
trying different things out. Yeah, I'm not quite sure that
I haven't seen the whole team, but I was standing
that they need to win again for us, you know

(43:24):
all what, but all what like how they played last
week the first forty match, I want to see that
for a whole game, you know.

Speaker 4 (43:31):
Yeah, oh hear, yeah, I think we all do. Thank
you so much for your time. I really appreciated about
Shelford form All Blacks captain. Sorry about the quality of
the line there was. It was obviously a but windy
where he was probably in Wellington ahead of the game.
Here that that bloke Pat Newman sounds very reluctant to
change from the status quo, but he's ignoring the fact
that the system that he supports is failing our kids badly.
He and people like him have had their chance. Look,

(43:53):
that's a fair point from Dave. What it is very
hard and I feel like the teachers and particularly the
teacher Union need to reflect on this. Right if you
don't like the changes that are being made, tell us
that the existing the status quo is better, and we
will point you to the exam results and tell you
that no, it's not. So it's very hard to defend

(44:14):
the ground as it stands. Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 19 (44:16):
Like it?

Speaker 4 (44:17):
If you want to continue to sound like you support
mediocretly keep complaining about it is kind of where that
really backed into a corner on this one. Hither I
agree a second language would be good, but in that case,
can we pick a useful one? Now this is where
I disagree with you. I think any second language is
better than no second language because what it does is
opens neurological pathways in the kids' heads. So that if you,
if you grow up and at age twenty five you

(44:40):
can speak a second language, learning a third, or fourth
or a fifth as persez after that you can only
speak one language, No hope and how you're going to
be fighting all your life. So I don't care what
the second language is, as long as there's a second language.
Five twenty one.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Duper Clan
drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and use dog.

Speaker 4 (44:59):
Said, hither, how arrogance? The texts keep coming. Hither our arrogant?

Speaker 19 (45:03):
Was that?

Speaker 18 (45:03):
Man?

Speaker 4 (45:03):
What's appalling is the dismal level of maths currently in
our schools. That's from Craig. Look, I appreciate a strongly
held opinion. It's just the wrong opinion, isn't it. Five
twenty four. I'm taking some heart, okay today, from the
fact that the bosses at the Warehouse Group realize how
much trouble they're in the chair, who I have got
a huge amount of respect for. Joan Withers has described

(45:23):
the result that they put out today as unacceptable and
a poor financial performance, but then again to be fair,
it's pretty hard to miss how much trouble they're actually
and given they just posted a fifty two million dollar loss,
so I imagine then that's kind of staring them in
the face, isn't it. I've no idea how the Warehouse
is going to turn this around. I mean, I think
getting rid of the previous chief executive as a start.

(45:43):
But they have got a major lot of problems on
their hands. It's not just one, it's multiple, and it's
just my experience tells me that, right Just my experience
tells me that there is multiple issues going on here.
So I'm gonna tell you about my experience in the
last year with the various brands that they've got suit
the Warehouse the primary brand. It's fine. I've got a
lot of love for the Warehouse, but the fact is

(46:05):
Kmart's cooler. I mean, you want to go buy a
pair of Kiddy's shoes for twelve bucks that they can
just break on the scooter and who cares about them?
I checked out both the Warehouse and Kmart. I went
to Kmart because it was the same price, but Kmart
had much cooler stuff. There's a problem for the Warehouse
right there. That is a massive consumer base that they
are losing consistently to Kmart.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
Noel Leming.

Speaker 4 (46:26):
Oh my gosh, rubbish service. Rubbish service, you want to
see rubbish service going to no Leming. My husband tried
to buy me a watch from a birthday. The other
day was last week, right, So he went in and
he asked them to help him find an electronic watch
that could be paired with the phone that was waterproof
so I could go surfing with it. They didn't know
which watches were waterproof, so as a result, I had

(46:48):
my birthday eight days ago, I still haven't got a watch.
I do ontally care who cares, but I had to
google for him what watch was waterproof? By the way,
Noel Leming, It's the Apple Watch, just the most famous one.

Speaker 24 (46:59):
Right that stuff.

Speaker 4 (47:01):
I try to buy myself a vacuum cleaner Dyson recently
as a treat. I went onto not All Leming's website.
Had to call to double check because the store said
they only had one and I wanted to make sure
they did actually have one. They never called me back,
so I just bought it from Dyson online for about
one hundred bucks cheaper directly Torpedo seven, which they sold
for a dollar. We called them ages ago, months and

(47:22):
months and months ago to see if we could get
a replacement battery charger for the electric bike because the
thing was broken. They said they don't have battery charges anymore.
A few weeks ago, my husband met one of the
guys who actually has bought Torpedo seven from the warehouse.
He gave my husband two battery charges, so they did
still have the battery charges. Now that's not just one problem,
that's multiple problems. And I just do not know how
the warehouse turns this business around.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
To ever do for Cee Ellen. So anyway, we're.

Speaker 4 (47:48):
Going to talk to the interim chief executive. He's going
to be of us after the news. Listen. Quick PSA
to you is that from the start of next year,
I'm not going to be here anymore. Now, don't worry
about it. I'm coming back. I'm just gonna have a baby,
aren't I just going to take a little break, have
a baby, just pop one out, maybe just rocket for
the first three months or so, you know, do all
of that stuff, and then I'll come back to work.

(48:08):
So yes, obviously, what I'm trying to say is I'm pregnant.
This is not as excited. I tell you. What's not
as exciting as the first one is the first one
you're like, oh my lord, I'm pregnant, the most wonderful
and glorious experience. The second one you're like, oh dear God,
I need some sleep. This is uncomfortable. I can't even
I am twenty three weeks. I can't even bend down
and tie my shoelaces. This is a crime that this

(48:31):
is done to women's bodies. But anyway, whatever, glorious and
happy and kicking at the moment, and it's a weak girl.
So that's nice, isn't it. So we get one of each.
How about that little Eggy's going to be a big
brother to a little one. So I can't give you
any information on who's going to be filling in for
the first three months of next year. Got absolutely no idea. Frankly,
don't care. You're on your own. I'm going to have

(48:52):
bigger problems on my hand, but then I'll be back,
don't worry about it. News talks 'd be you.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
The day's newsmakers. Talk to Heather first, Heather duple.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
C Allen drive with One New Zealand Let's get connected
and news talk Z Biz.

Speaker 4 (49:23):
Hey, the uae F t A. I've got some really
interesting stuff on it. Jeffrey Miller is. He's something of
a kind of a Golf States FTA deal with New
Zealand nut. I mean, of all things to specialize, and
that's what he specializes. In fact, he's writing his PhD
thesis on it, so he's got some really interesting insights

(49:45):
into it and actually understands quite a bit. I'm gonna
un you through some of that before we have a
chat to the Trade Minister after six o'clock. Thank you
for your message. This is very kind of you. Did
you know? I didn't know this until I read these messages.
If you have a boy and a girl and that's it,
it's called a pigeon pair. So who knew? Huddles with
us next twenty four away from.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Six, Heather do for CLO Now.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
It was a bit of a blood bath for the
Warehouse today. The group announced a fifty four million dollar
loss for the year. The chair, Joan Withers, has described
it as unacceptable. Jean June is the interim chief executive
at the Warehouse Group and with us now, Hey, John Hi,
Heather Jones says it's unacceptable.

Speaker 19 (50:20):
What do you say, totally agree.

Speaker 7 (50:23):
We're certainly not where we need to be and the
result is a poor performance.

Speaker 4 (50:27):
What's gone wrong? Do you think.

Speaker 7 (50:30):
Part of it is strategy and part of its execution.
We had a strategy set about five years ago that
was in hindsight to ambitious and also distracted us from
looking after our core brands at the level of detail
that we need.

Speaker 4 (50:43):
To so core brand being obviously the warehouse. What needs
to change at the warehouse?

Speaker 7 (50:48):
Do you think, sorry, what was that head?

Speaker 4 (50:52):
What needs to change at the warehouse?

Speaker 7 (50:56):
We need to get better more often. You know, we
get it right most of the time. We need to
get it right all the time. And that's the difference
in retail retails detail customers notice when you get your
detail wrong and we've dropped the ball on.

Speaker 4 (51:09):
That, that is that like if you've got is it
quality problems? Is it coolness problems? What is it?

Speaker 7 (51:20):
It's the small things that make a difference. He You know, basically,
when you're in retail, you have to get everything right.
And we've got things right that we were focusing on,
but we missed the ball on the areas we weren't
focusing on We had moved more of our range in
the warehouse to continuity, daily essentials, everyday needs, and that's
an important part of the offer, and customers are loving

(51:43):
for us for that part of the range. But that's
not all they wanted from us. They wanted newness, excitement, trend, coolness, keenness,
and we used to give them that in spades, and
when we moved into the sort of trying to be
earnest about our core essentials, which is really important, we
lost that excitement, we lost the emphasis and the other

(52:04):
parts of what people wanted from us, and that's what
we've recognized as one of the core turnaround fixes that
we need to do. We've already started on that, but
unfortunately it takes a while for that product to show
up in store, so it's only just showing up now.
But when it is showing up, our customers are loving it.
You know, they've been really disappointed that we haven't given

(52:26):
it to them before. Just like you said before, you
would expect us to do it. We didn't do it
for you. Our customers are saying the same on a
number of lines. But again, when we get it back
in stock, they go yay, you're back. We love it
because we've got ninety two million people visiting our stores
every year. They really want us to be back in

(52:47):
the game we used to be. They want us to be,
and we're determined to be back in there.

Speaker 4 (52:51):
Like a bad boyfriend day. We want to love you,
but you should make me at house with the warehouse.

Speaker 7 (52:55):
What about we're the one that got awaid?

Speaker 4 (53:00):
Is that right? A positive spin on it? What's going
wrong with then?

Speaker 7 (53:06):
Knowles has actually performed the strongest through the period we've
been distracted, so their model is quite strong. I heard
before that you've had some service issues. That's disappointing. It
is not the general experience we get from our customers.
They are at promoter score, which is the measure of
our customer satisfaction, is the highest in a no Lemming brand,
and they are the market leader, and through a tough time,

(53:29):
they've actually held their market share and held their customer
base the best of our all three brands. But even
they have suffered a little bit around the group distractions,
around the bigger picture that the ecosystem strategy, so they
weren't spending all their time on what mattered to no
Leaming customers. And it's those little things that make a difference.

(53:50):
The fact that we should have had the staff member
knowing which apple which watch was waterproof. You know, that
is what we do. That is something that we pride
ourselves in basic Our teams proudly call themselves passionate experts.
So I spent a lot of time on product knowledge
and learning about that products. You know, whether that was
an isolated example, we've got the wrong person on the

(54:12):
wrong day, but that doesn't really matter to you or
your husband that got the wrong advice.

Speaker 4 (54:17):
I don't even have a watch John for my birthday.

Speaker 7 (54:19):
Now, and I'm gusted.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
I worry.

Speaker 4 (54:22):
I know how to use the internet. I'll order it
from you. Guys. Hey, listen very quickly on the Stephen
Tindall thing. Are you guys still is that office still
light or no?

Speaker 7 (54:30):
That's in Stephen's core. We don't have any control over
what our shareholders do, and don't.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
They listen, John, thank you for talking to us, and
I really really hope you are able to turn this around, because,
as I say, we do love your business. That is
John Jna, who is the interim chief executive at the
Warehouse and has obviously got his work cut out from
nineteen away from six.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
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Speaker 4 (54:53):
Mike Munroe on the Huddle, former chief of Stuff to
just send out doing a nelegative infrastructure New Zealand. Hello lads,
Hello Mike. I don't I don't know if you're the
target market for the warehouse. Do you do you still
shop there or you're more of an old lemon guy?

Speaker 7 (55:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 26 (55:07):
Well I live a stone throw from one actually out
at Loyle Vain and Wellington, so I do. I do
drop him there, but it's only to buy some incidentals.
I must say I have noticed in recent times it's
very empty.

Speaker 8 (55:18):
You know.

Speaker 26 (55:18):
I've just been up an organoe over the weekend and
on the way out my wife and I dropped into
that New Manoa Bay retail out at the airport and
it was just absolutely chocker. You know, there are hundreds
and hundreds of people there to have crushed into that place.
I know it's a new player on the block and
people like to try the you know, the latest new
thing going in retail. But the fact is that it's

(55:40):
a very competitive market now. That sort of low price
chain market, and I guess the warehouse is also feeling
a bit of that pressure. Was it was interesting John
didn't touch on that, but but but surely that has
to be a factor that there are other players coming
into that part of the market.

Speaker 4 (55:57):
Yeah, that he probably doesn't want to have to say
their names out loud and remind exist Nick, what about you?
Do you still go to the Warehouse?

Speaker 1 (56:06):
No?

Speaker 27 (56:06):
Not not really, And you know, I think it's a
shame because it's a New Zealand institution and a New
Zealand success story. Really, but look, you do have to
think that online shopping things like Timu are really having
a big impact on the retail sector, and not just
at the top end either, And that's I think what
we're seeing here. So I mean the question will be,

(56:30):
and this is the great commercial challenges. Can it reinvent itself?
And obviously they're backing themselves to be able to try
and turn things around them and good luck to them.

Speaker 4 (56:38):
Yeah, I really hope they're able to. Mike, what do
you make of the government crackdown on truancy?

Speaker 20 (56:44):
Uh?

Speaker 26 (56:44):
Well, look, these punitive measures just sort of don't they
They don't work and they won't work I've been tried elsewhere.

Speaker 8 (56:54):
It's a very complex problem, this truancy, and when.

Speaker 26 (56:57):
You sort of look online, you know there's other countries
and stuff the same trends. Australia, Great Britain, even dear
old Japan, where people you know, we're etiquette and sort
of rules based, following the rules is very very important,
they're also suffering the same issues. I just think that
there's got to be more of a of a multi
agency approach to what's a very complex problem slapping fines

(57:20):
on people who don't send their kids to school. I mean, one,
the fine is not probably not going to be paid,
But how's that going to change their behavior? And how's
it going to change their attitude? I just think it's
more it's a more complex issue than.

Speaker 4 (57:32):
That, you know, like I think, is it about It's
not really about the daar pearance, right, the Darrow parents
are never going to send their kids to school. They
don't give an ath, they're not going to pay the fines.
Is this not about the middle class parents who thinks
it's okay to fly to Fiji for a week in
school holidays, who might go. I actually know I should
Actually you shouldn't do it.

Speaker 8 (57:51):
I don't disagree with that. I think it is partly
about that.

Speaker 26 (57:54):
I think I think we're suffering the consequences of what
happened during the COVID years, where you know, schools closed
for a long time, the months of school closures. In fact,
twenty and twenty one, we've had teacher strikes where teachers
not in the classrooms and the kids are at home
for often one.

Speaker 8 (58:10):
Two, three days. So I just think it's sort of
scene now as okay to have the kids out of
school for a while.

Speaker 26 (58:16):
Yeah, there's just been a bit of a change in
thinking around that from maybe a generation ago.

Speaker 4 (58:21):
Yeah, okay, Nick, I want you to take we'll do it.
We'll get it from you. After the break. It's call
to two, right, and you're back with a huddle, Nick
Leagan and Mike Munroe. Nick, what do you make of
the crackdown on the truancy.

Speaker 27 (58:31):
Well, look, I think that we know that the longer
kids spend in schools, the better they perform academically and socially,
and prosecution will be rare. So I think what the
governor has done is to say, hey, look, this is
a combined effort to ensure that we get the best
education outcomes for our kids. And you know, there's an

(58:53):
expectation that society has that schools will play their part
and that parents will play their part too, helping sure
that share they get there.

Speaker 4 (59:01):
I'm seeing this Nick a little bit more, you know.
I mean, these are rules that exist already, right Teacher
only days should be taken in the breaks. There are
finds existing for parents. It's not like he's introducing new rules.
He's only threatening to enforce them. And it feels to
me like it's just resetting the very thing that Mike
was talking about before, which is a complacency about education.

Speaker 19 (59:18):
It's just reminded you got to go yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 27 (59:21):
I think I think Mike was right, and we do
need you know, at times we relax. We all relax,
don't we we eat too much, or we don't exercise,
or we let standard slip in some of our public systems.
And so that's what is happening here. The government's just
stepping up and saying, look, we're going to take this
a little bit.

Speaker 19 (59:40):
More seriously and enforce the rules.

Speaker 27 (59:42):
And I think that will be you know that I
think the results will begin to speak for themselves after
a certain amount of time.

Speaker 4 (59:49):
What do we do Mike about Dunedin Hospital, Well.

Speaker 26 (59:53):
It works underway, it's happening. The outpatients building is understand
it is well advanced and we'll be open by twenty
twenty six.

Speaker 8 (01:00:01):
They've got to push on and finish it.

Speaker 26 (01:00:03):
Look, I think this government government's discovering hither that you know,
running sound. You know, first world public services costs a
huge amount of money and they go around with all
the chest beating bravado about slashing billions off spending. Well,
when you do that, it costs somewhere and you'll end
up having to trim public services or not go ahead

(01:00:23):
with some public services.

Speaker 8 (01:00:25):
And I think this is an example of that happening.

Speaker 26 (01:00:28):
The hospitals should be built on the basis of of
clinical needs, not where Nicola Willis thinks a spending cap
should be set.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:00:38):
Do you know what's gone wrong here, Nick? Why it's
blown out quite to the extent it has.

Speaker 27 (01:00:42):
Well, the first thing I'd say is it's not because
the government's imposed to spending cap that this project has
blown out. And yeah, I mean I think that probably
the structure of the project from the start wasn't great.
I mean this is this is a much bigger question.
I mean, it's obviously a big problem for a big
challenge for Otago and Dunedin, and we all want that.

(01:01:03):
We all want there to be a decent hospital service
therein for the southern part of New Zealand. But why
why does New Zealand get this wrong? We've seem to
be failing our major projects. We used to be innovative
and smart and things have slipped and so yeah, this
is going to be the most expensive hospital per bed

(01:01:23):
ever built in Australasia. Now, I think we all want
really high quality public services, but actually we shouldn't be
aiming for the most expensive. We've got to cut our
cloth and so we need to examine ourselves more broadly.
It is not MICA's right. It's not just about cutting
costs of the bone, but it is about extracting more

(01:01:45):
value for the money we spend.

Speaker 19 (01:01:47):
And I think every care we would expect that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:49):
Yeah, fair enough, Hey Mike, Okay, what about Hastings District
Council giving the non elected youth councilor's voting rights in
five hundred bucks per meeting.

Speaker 26 (01:02:01):
On the financial side of it, I've got no problem
with that. These youth councils are performing an important role
and making decisions or help make decisions around the well
being and mental health sort of issues for young people.
I mean, councilors and willing in an Auckland get about
one hundred k year, I understand, So five hundred dollars
a meeting to me sounds a very sort of minor payment. Look,

(01:02:25):
I'm all in favor of giving the younger voice in
terms of their voting rights. You know, there's any number
of people now who sort of have a say in
the affairs of our cities via their councils. And I'm
talking here about the management teams and the chief executives
who are putting putting up ideas and proposals which are
effectively just getting rougher stamped by counsels.

Speaker 8 (01:02:47):
So I don't, I don't. I don't have any.

Speaker 26 (01:02:49):
Difficult at all with the idea of these young people
having a say about services that affect Then.

Speaker 4 (01:02:56):
I hate everything you're saying.

Speaker 27 (01:02:58):
What do you say, Nick, Well, somebody is somebody. I
got elected to a council when I was nineteen.

Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
Yeah, so elected.

Speaker 27 (01:03:07):
Yeah, no, No, that's that's the point I'm making. And
actually it's easier for young people to get elected these
days than it ever has been. So no, I take
a pretty dim view. I think that I mean youth. Obviously,
I believe that youth participation is important and should be encouraged.
But I think voting rights is a step too far
because what we we have, you know, we've got a

(01:03:28):
bit complacent, you know, about democracy, and we've seem to
be prepared to erode it. We elect a council to
make decisions on behalf of a community and resource the
youth council, get them involved. But the truth is that
a couple of young people on a committee of council
not going to represent young people effectively.

Speaker 19 (01:03:47):
Anyway, not at all.

Speaker 6 (01:03:48):
I'm sorry, and I.

Speaker 27 (01:03:49):
Say that with twenty five years of experience.

Speaker 4 (01:03:53):
Apologize to me, Nick at all. You made my frown
turn upside down. Love it. Thank you very much. Huddle
this evening, Mike run Nikoley gets seven away from six on.

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Speaker 4 (01:04:14):
Five away from six. Heather, I can't believe that. The
guy from the warehouse said the service is fine and
no leming. My experience was the same as you. It
was terrible. I would go to Harvey's any day. M Listen,
do you remember the woman who did the amazing impersonations
of of Scotland's nicholastursion during the COVID pandemic.

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that allegedly the long effects of COVID dawn men can
be a rectail dysfunction, or as we call it in Scotland.

Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
Floppy Horby's Jennie Godley, and she got us through the
COVID pandemic. She got beat through the COVID pandemic. She
was very funny. I'm very sorry to tell you that
she is actually in palliative care. She's revealed today for
her in cancer. She thought she was out of the
woods a couple of years ago, but then they found
some more and she says she just can't take the
chemo anymore.

Speaker 29 (01:05:08):
As devastating news to know that I'm fasting and belief,
but we'll come to your name sometime. I want to
thank everybody for supporting.

Speaker 4 (01:05:17):
The family, especially Ashley and my husband.

Speaker 29 (01:05:21):
The overwhelming support has been amazing and I don't know
how long I've got left before anybody asks.

Speaker 4 (01:05:28):
I'm not a TikTok, so you've still got a sad subhuma,
which is lovely. Listen the UAE FTA. Okay, so this
is interesting from Jeffrey Miller, who's done a little bit
of analysis on this. He's done an Official Information Act
at request and found out that actually the UAE asked
US for an FTA, a free trade agreement, all the
way back in November twenty twenty one, but apparently New

(01:05:50):
Zealand initially played hard to get, offering only holding responses
noting that we remain focus on concluding negotiations with the
GCC as a whole, which is to say, had the
durn government and then the Hipkins government actually wanted to
sign this deal, they may have been able to, but
they they played hard to get. Why would you play
hard to get?

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
Anyway?

Speaker 4 (01:06:10):
Never mind? And then apparently also part of the attraction
for US as investment opportunities in our infrastructure because the
UAE is home to three of the world's biggest sovereign
wealth funds, so that may explain why we really want
this trade Minister Tom McLay Next.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
We're Business Insight the Business Hour.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
We'd headed due to c Allen and my hr on NEWSGSB.

Speaker 4 (01:06:42):
Even and coming up in the next hour and talk
to Liam Dan about the warehouse, Jamie McKay about the
Fonterra results, and Sam Dickey about the dominance on the
computer chip market of the company Intel. Right now, it's
coming up eight past six. Now New Zealand has struck
its fastest ever free trade deal with the United Arab Emirates,
as in the fastest we're ever done, and it happens
to be with the UAE. The deal will lift duties

(01:07:03):
on ninety eight point five percent of New Zealand's exports immediately.
That will rise to ninety nine percent within three years.
And the deal was all done within four months after
the negotiations first started in May. The Trade Minister is
Todd mclayey. Todd, Hey, Heather, how are you, Jim welthin?
How did you manage to do it this quickly?

Speaker 7 (01:07:19):
Well?

Speaker 19 (01:07:20):
Two things.

Speaker 30 (01:07:21):
I first met with the UA Trade Minister in January
of this year end of January, and I raised the
prospect of a trade deal and said that I'd go
home and talk to my Prime minister, but we're going
to do one, let's be serious. I was back just
about a month later when he hosted the Trade Minster
meeting and I was one of his vice chairs there
and we made a commitment together then that if we

(01:07:41):
were going to do this, let's try and do it
the fastest that has been done and one of the
most ambitious, and said, you know, why don't we try
and do everything entry into fourth on day one, and
we've been sweating and working on negotiators hard for four months,
including the UAE so holiday, and today we've announced it.

(01:08:02):
And this is really good news for New Zealand exporters.
It's actually good for every single sector in New Zealand.
There are huge opportunities in that market that's just growing
for us.

Speaker 4 (01:08:11):
How much smaller is this FTA than an FTA with
the GCC.

Speaker 19 (01:08:17):
Well, our trade with the UAE.

Speaker 30 (01:08:20):
We sell them at one point one billion dollars worth
of goods every year. Majority of that about seven hundred
million is dairy. Our trade with Saudi, which is the
largest country there is about the same size. So this
is important to us and it is significant, but it
is complementary. The Trade minister who's down here, we finished
the negotiation together last night. Just a few little issues

(01:08:43):
to go through. He was asked in the press conference,
you know, is this instead of is an issue for
the GCC deal. He said, no, it's complementary, and he
said it believes Edward help. Now the GCC has been
you know, it's been sitting there for seventeen years. Don't
want to get hopes up, but I have been meeting
with others. There are Kaitar prime ministers, at Trade Minister
and also the Saudi minister and there is interest in

(01:09:05):
New Zealand again. But you know, we've got a little
way to go. So this is complementary. It's a great,
great start. It's worth celebrating, and there's a foothold in
the Middle East.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
Our first is.

Speaker 4 (01:09:16):
Part of our attraction, the possibility of attracting their investment
money in because it's been noted that they have about
three of the world's biggest sovereign wealth funds there.

Speaker 30 (01:09:25):
Yeah, they do, and so investment is part of this agreement.
We also negotiated a bilateral investment agreement and all that
really does is give certainty to investors in both sides
levels of playing field. It doesn't include that ISDS, that
investor state dispute settlement mechanism that so many people were
worried about. We took that off the table and we

(01:09:46):
didn't do it. There is interest in New Zealand, but
their interests in working with us and could be an infrastructure.
They have a lot of interest in food security. They
want to be able to buy high quality, safe food
from New Zealand, the food we produce so they can
and continue to feed their population as it grows. So yes,
but there's also a really big part of the agreement
is around services and we have a number of QWI

(01:10:08):
companies up there doing well. Look, it's just a big
growing market. Many more New Zealand companies are going to
find it easy to go up there and do business.

Speaker 4 (01:10:15):
Now do you think that they're going to put money
into us? Are they going to invest into us?

Speaker 30 (01:10:19):
Well, they bought a big business delegation down here with
them and they've been having business to business meetings and
I hear from the delegation of the businessmen on both sides,
men and women, is constructive and they see some opportunities.
So I think we should just see that as at
a first sort of foothold. They've come and have a look.
The one thing that does happen whenever you sign a

(01:10:39):
trade deal with another country, as trade grows and investment grows,
and it happens without a government being involved. But we're
pretty keen to see if there are ways they can
invest in our economy that is good for all New Zealanders.
And you know they have said they want to come
a look at that, so there are certainly going to
be some opportunities. We'll have a look and test out
where they should be and make sure they are good
for New Zealand if we bring that investment.

Speaker 4 (01:11:00):
Todd, isn't true that they actually wanted to strike an
FTA with US as far back as poor I think
it was November twenty twenty one, I read, But we
played hard to get.

Speaker 30 (01:11:11):
So in two thousand and eight there was all but
an agreement on the table, but then the GCC said
to them we would prefer to do a region wide one,
so the UEA stepped back. I do think that look,
I understand a few years ago, before we came to government,
they showed renewed interest, but it didn't get off the ground.
There's probably a range of reasons for that. But actually,

(01:11:32):
you know, when I became Trade Minister, I said to
Christopher Luxeen, you know that I think there's a big
opportunity there we could do something. He said, your job
to get out of the world stage and hustle for
New Zealand exporterers. And you know we've been able to
do this and it is it's actually less than one
hundred working days. A touch of caution.

Speaker 19 (01:11:50):
I don't think the next ones.

Speaker 30 (01:11:51):
Will be doing will be as straightforward as us, but
we will just work hard to make sure we can deliver.

Speaker 19 (01:11:56):
Quality and we're not leaving anything to anything.

Speaker 30 (01:11:58):
We can get this good for New Zealanders going to
be out there doing that brilliant stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:12:01):
Hey Todd, thank you really appreciate your time. That's Tod McLay,
the Trade Minister. Hither the hey, small spender campaign from
the warehouse absolutely sucked. New Zealanders don't need a further
inferior inferiority complex. That's from David. David, thank you for that.
As you're gonna talk to Liam Dan about the warehouse
when he's with us just after the break before we
go to it. Though, there are now calls for the

(01:12:22):
law to be changed to force companies like that contractor
whose people pulled out the nuts on the power pylon
to actually be legally obligated and compelled to fess up
and say what happened, because yesterday we sort of got
a bit of a hint of it, and basically reading
all the stories subsequently overnight, it's now abundantly clear that
what happened was Omexom. These are the contractors trans It

(01:12:45):
wasn't Transpower's problem at all. I don't know why Transpower
even owned this, and in any way, it was ome Exom.
They were the ones who did it. They were the
ones who were actually responsible, and it wasn't the only
time that their crews had also pulled out the nuts
and multiple legs of a power pylon. But they refused
when the electricity authority was doing their their own investigation,

(01:13:05):
which is one we got yesterday, Omixon refused to tell
the electricity authority what had happened. Omics had done its
own internal review, they refused to release that review to
the electricity authority to be released to the public, and
they cited legal privilege as the reason for denying access
to certain documents. Obviously, what they meant by legal privilege
was legal liability, because if we see what's in there,

(01:13:27):
maybe some people are going to come after them for it,
and now the law needs to change the electricity authorities
like this can't happen again. We've got to change the law.
So next time Omixon has to tell us fourteen PUS six.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's heather due
toic Ellen with the business hours thanks to my HR,
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Speaker 4 (01:13:48):
V Jamie McKay with us shortly right now. Seventeen passis now.
The warehouse is licking its wounds after delivering a very
bad result today they recorded a fifty four million dollar
loss for the year. I spoke to the interim Cheer
executive John Drewnet earlier.

Speaker 7 (01:14:02):
Was certainly not where we need to be, and the
result was a poor performance. We had a strategy set
about five years ago that was in hindsight to ambitious
and also distracted us from looking after our core brands
at the level of detail that we need.

Speaker 4 (01:14:17):
Liam dan Is, the Herald's business entitor at larger with us. Now, hey, Liamgther,
you reckon they can turn this around.

Speaker 19 (01:14:23):
I'm skeptical.

Speaker 31 (01:14:24):
I mean, you know, good luck to them to some extent,
although I was a big supporter of Stephen Tyndall and
his private equity partners the bid there and that you know,
the speculation was that they were looking to basically turn
it into the third supermarket chain, which had a lot
of you know, appeal to me, partly because I'm a
business journalist and was excited about a big takeover and

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a lot of change. But you know, you could see
the value of New Zealand and you just you look
at the Warehouse Group and you know, a year five
years ago, but gee, a lot has changed in the
last five years. I think the amount of stuff that
we're importing direct from China now, the cheap, cheap goods
that used to be the sort of staple for the
Warehouse has sword. I mean it's I think I saw

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something in the GDP numbers that they skyrocketed, you know,
fifty percent in the last year. The amount of imports
we're doing directly as in you know, from the likes
of team who basically so they're up against it there,
and then they're up against it with the likes of
your Costco and Kmart, which is now decided it is
going to expand see some opportunity. So it's tough as

(01:15:31):
a value proposition, and they didn't do very well through
a period where people were looking for value, so you know,
maybe they can turn it around. I think they're looking
at some looking at it from some very different parameters,
I guess to Tyndall, But yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:15:46):
If they're going to turn it around, and they need
to focus on the core business today abandoned the supermarket idea.

Speaker 31 (01:15:52):
Well they're saying, you know, it's not very lucrative as
it is, and of course you know that means there's
not much incentive to incrementally add to it at the moment,
so they're trying to get back to core business. I
think what Stephen Tindall was looking at was something quite radical,
which you can only do if you know you reinvent
the company. And he's someone who probably well he definitely

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has a deep love of the brand and a lot
invested in the brand and wants to see it have
a long legacy and not dwindle away, so he's prepared
to try something quite quite radical. I can understand why
the board and the current management, you know, within the
parameters they're working, can't take on that strategy because it's
too big. The shareholders didn't go for it, and in
particular we know the Normans who own own the family

(01:16:36):
who owns the Farmers Group, they own twenty percent of
the warehouse, and Stephen Tindall and these private equity guys
were unable to convince them. But I would not be
surprised to see him have another go. You know, it's
a lot to do with price and money. Obviously, it's
a it's almost all to do with that.

Speaker 10 (01:16:51):
You know.

Speaker 31 (01:16:52):
And so if it doesn't turn around in the next
year or so, Stephen Tindall may well be back, because
you know, after she is don't come up, then his
offer is going to start looking pretty good.

Speaker 4 (01:17:05):
Yeah, yeah, fair point. Hallam as always really appreciated.

Speaker 7 (01:17:08):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:17:08):
That's Liam Dan, the Herald's Business setitor at Large. By
the way, Carmen has done her first solo interview of
first solo interview, first solo interview of her presidential campaign.
No comfort human sitting with her by his girl by
herself type.

Speaker 32 (01:17:27):
Economists in our country, from Nobel Laureates to people at
Moody's and Goldman Sachs have compared my plan with his
and said my plan would grow the economy, his which
shrink the economy. Some of them have actually assessed that
his plan would increase inflestion and invader recession by the

(01:17:47):
middle of the next year.

Speaker 4 (01:17:49):
It was on the MSNBC, which is obviously going to
be more partial to her than Trumpy and the panel. Afterwards.
They were loving it. They thought she was great.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
When she's delivering these messages. Now I think she keeps
getting better.

Speaker 20 (01:18:00):
When she talks about policy of also adding a little dollup.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
Of a tweak that is going to get under Trump's skin.

Speaker 4 (01:18:08):
Yeah, soe you go doing well. Okay, listen, we're gonna
We're gonna have to deal with this. I cannot tell
you the number of texts I get on this particular
issue consistently. For goodness sake, Heather, it's the bolts that
have been taken out. They've called the pylon to topple
the nuts. Only keep the bolt in place, you bloody Metro.
Thank you, Hayden. Now hold on a Teck Hayden, because

(01:18:28):
how do you know? You don't know the bolts got
taken out. That's the one thing you don't know. We
know the bolts are in there. The nuts definitely got
taken out because you'd have to take the nuts out
to take the bolts out, right, So the nuts have
come out? Do we know the bolts have come out?
Do we know that for sure? Because I think of
the nuts, you already you're already, that's already, the pilon's
already fallen. But with the how do you know? Can

(01:18:51):
we settle this thing? I'm taking I'm taking your advice
on this right now. And I much rather here from
engineers and builders frankly, than you know, like radio hosts.
But what are we talking about? Is it the nuts?
Is it the bolts? Is it both? Six twenty two
nine two nine two is.

Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
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Speaker 4 (01:19:18):
It's it's the nuts, Hayden, your metro, Heather, it's the nuts.
The bolt would be cast into the concrete. You're right, Heather,
it's a high probability that they use cast in bolts
and only the nuts were removed. So there we go.
How about me, lady splain and that engineering too. You're
six twenty five and with me right now is Jamie McKay,
Host of the Country. Hello, Jamie.

Speaker 33 (01:19:36):
Gooda Heather and congratulations on little Heather on the way.

Speaker 10 (01:19:40):
Wonderful.

Speaker 33 (01:19:40):
You've got the complete seat. It's like getting those rewards
from the grocery store. You've got a bang on.

Speaker 4 (01:19:46):
I'm taking so totally totally stuck for names, so I'm
taking advice on family names. My mum on my side
of the family has come up with Estelle apparently or Elizabeth,
and your side of the family.

Speaker 33 (01:20:00):
Has it's a question for me or Barry.

Speaker 4 (01:20:05):
Well, you've got the same family. Oh, any woman in
the family right now, I'm I'll just get a look.

Speaker 33 (01:20:17):
I think I'm giving people advice on on baby names
as like it's just that's it's something you just can't
want it. Well, that's a bit well, I guess it's.

Speaker 19 (01:20:34):
Please head of the blows.

Speaker 33 (01:20:36):
You're raining the blows down upon me From a poor
southern semi farmer, not really a farmer, I'm I'm a.
I'm a I'm a George Street farmer. But I've got
a very farm meeting by zoom later on tonight. I'm
going to have to ponder how we can survive the
mud and the mire and the swamp and the paddy
paddy rice fields that is Southland at the moment.

Speaker 4 (01:20:57):
Trying to change the subject, don't you. I just want
to apart from that, Heather, Yeah, can I just apologize
quickly for all of those sound effects. It's not me,
it's producer and he's found the button and loves it.
Carry on, Jamie.

Speaker 33 (01:21:08):
Well, apart from the weather down south, it's been a
good week for farmers here that I know. You just
talked to Todd McLay about the FTA with the UAE.
That's a good deal. It's a good I mean it's
a bit of a one sided trade deal. I think
we do one point three billion with them. They do
something like one hundred and fifty million or something. Well, yeah,

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one hundred and fifty million with us. It's a good look,
that's a really good deal for us. I think the
big story is and I know you covered this one
yesterday as well as the Fonterra announcement, and I will
temper that or qualify it by saying I got my
ear chewed today by a grumpy west Otago dairy farmer.
I think in her case it was just because it
had been raining for a month solid. But she said

(01:21:49):
to me, stop talking up the dairy price at nine dollars.
Everyone's going to be trying ripping off farmers and selling
and stuff they can't afford. And I said, look, it
is a good news story. I did some sums just
for you, Heather. If you'd bought if you were a
Fonterra farmer and you'd bought a Fonterra share, because to
supply Fonterira, to supply Fonterra, you need to have shares

(01:22:11):
to equal your production. You could have bought a share
in early February for two dollars and twelve cents with
your final divid announced yesterday at fifty five cents. That
is a yield on your share of twenty six percent.
Try and get that anywhere else in business. Even now,
the shares have jumped from jump thirty cents in the
course of this week since Myles Hurrald, a six million
dollar man, made the announcement on yesterday, they've gone from

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three fifty to three eighty. It's still a fifteen percent yield.
Not to be sniffed at at all. And one more
to ponder here. Today I had Mark Delator, chief executive
of Open Country Dairy, the second biggest player in the
dairy game behind Fonterra, and he was saying, if the
government doesn't have any hope at all of doubling export
income in the next decade, they're going to have to

(01:22:55):
ramp up dairy production.

Speaker 19 (01:22:57):
How do you do it?

Speaker 33 (01:22:58):
He's suggesting ferry conversions are back on the table. Can
you believe that?

Speaker 4 (01:23:03):
Can you believe it? Jamie? What a blast from the past. Hey,
thank you appreciate it. Jamie McKay, host to the Country
After the News, Sam Dickey on Intel News TALKSB.

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
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Speaker 4 (01:23:36):
Okay, Things are getting worse from this, worse for the
sausage king over in the UK. It now turns out
not only has he been getting money for his specs
and money for his suits, and going to the corporate
boxes and stuff at the football But Keir Starmer has
also been getting a thirty million dollar flat in London
from a political ton of so his son could study

(01:23:57):
in peace during the election. I mean, the man of
the people, not really at all. A's so we'll talk
to Indebrady about that when he's with us shortly. Heather
nuts only bolts, no way. I'm a builder with fifty
years experience. If the bolts come out, then ring the
engineer who designed them. Thank you, Edu. I feel like
we've closed the case on that. From here on in,
if you hear anybody talking about taking the bolts out,

(01:24:19):
you tell them they're wrong. It was the nuts twenty
three away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
Heather duples see Allen.

Speaker 22 (01:24:25):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:24:25):
Intel was once a high flying market darling back in
the day, and it used to dominate the computer chip
industry and so on with more than eighty percent share
market and PCs and servers. But that's all changed now
and the company's now on its knees and at risk
of being acquired on the cheap by rivals. To talk
us through what's going on here is Forishafun, Sam Dickey Hay.

Speaker 19 (01:24:42):
Sam Here that good evening.

Speaker 4 (01:24:44):
Take us back to the start, Sam, how did Intel
actually become big? And then what happened for it to
fall away like this?

Speaker 10 (01:24:51):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 34 (01:24:52):
It did nothing for the first twenty years of its life,
from the seventies of the nineties, and it took off
when the PC boom took off.

Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
So remember what it was.

Speaker 34 (01:25:00):
It dominated the design and manufacturing of PC, laptop and
server computer chips, and and it dominated the software wrapped
around that. So it had the whole shooting match and
the stoff went up about seventyfold or seven thousand percent
of the nineteen nineties, and it kind of peaked in
the early two thousands, and that's when the Rots set out,
and so sadly there was quite a few things that

(01:25:20):
went wrong, But sadly the most high profile one is
they decided against producing chips for the first iPhone, and
years later the company admitted that their forecast was wrong
and the actual volume of iPhones relative to their business
case was one hundred times what they expected. So on
top of that, they made a few other missteps, but
one notable one is if you think about computer chips

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and how far we've come, they used to have a
few thousand transistors or tiny electrical switches on them, and
the iPhone you've probably got on your desk there here
there has got tens of billions of these tiny electrical
switches jammed on top of them, and that requires extremely
efficient manufacturing, and Intel just couldn't keep up with the
the prowess of the tiny So the Taiwanese chip manufacturing

(01:26:04):
giant TSMC, and because of all that and all those
missteps and several more, the stock underperform the US stock
market by about ninety percent over the last quarter century.

Speaker 4 (01:26:13):
Is that what we talk about when we talk about
the chip wars, just that they're like the development and
the fine tuning of these chips.

Speaker 1 (01:26:21):
I think that's what's underpinning there.

Speaker 19 (01:26:22):
But the chip wars is really that, I guess, the
cold chip wars.

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
And there's a book written about this.

Speaker 34 (01:26:27):
But if given the fact that these that the manufacturer
of these advanced computer chips is considered the most complex
and precise manufacturing processed humans have ever undertaken, and given
those chips underpin almost every bit of technology we touch,
and they underpin economies and militaries, it's no wonder there
is a big power struggle. So a few factors to

(01:26:47):
put that those chip wars in context. China imports more
in chips that it doesn't oil, so has a natural
disadvantage there. And then you've got Taiwan or TSMC, which
controls ninety percent of high end chip manufacturing. And then
you move back to the US, and they even have
an active government called the Chips Act, which is funneling

(01:27:07):
billions of dollars into US based chip designers and manufacturers
to make sure they win this war. So some pretty
big picture stuff there. And the fact that Intel that
the US darling is falling behind is a big deal
for the US as a whole.

Speaker 4 (01:27:19):
So why has the company been slashing costs and cutting
expansion plans more recently?

Speaker 34 (01:27:26):
Yeah, I mean it's announced it's laying of fifteen percent
of its workforce, cutting costs by ten billion, delaying opening
new chip factories in Germany and Poland arguably in favor
of opening up domestic putting more money into domestic chip
design and manufacturing facilities. But that's all to stop the
bleeding of I mean, they're making losses because of all

(01:27:46):
these poor decisions they've made. And on top of that,
it's been given around twelve billion dollars of funding under
the US Chips Act to try and shore it up.

Speaker 4 (01:27:55):
Okay, who's bidding for Intel?

Speaker 34 (01:27:56):
By the way, it's rumors only so far. So Qualcomm,
a US based mobile phone chip designer, is rumored to
be buying in talent. And why would anyone want to
buy this company after all these missteps? Presumably potential suitors see,
Intel is a chip company that still has an enormous
amount of IP and valuable assets that are critical in
this this chips wars that we talked about.

Speaker 4 (01:28:18):
And so what does it mean if this purchase goes ahead?
What does this mean for the chip wars?

Speaker 34 (01:28:24):
I think it could create a much larger US based
chip design and manufacturing company that might just might be
able to compete against the likes of TESMC and Taiwan.
And if it is true it is Qualcomm, who's a
US based company, I'm sure that the combined entity would
still qualify for the You know that the hefty tailwind
of US government grants under that US Chips Act.

Speaker 4 (01:28:45):
Okay, so what do investors need to consider when they're
thinking about this.

Speaker 34 (01:28:49):
There's a lot going on there isn't that it's not
the first changing of the guard, and this this sort
of pointy end technology computer chip design.

Speaker 19 (01:28:56):
Man.

Speaker 34 (01:28:56):
So if you remember back to mainframe computers, computers that
were as big as a small house, IBM dominated those chips.
Intel we talked about that, dominated PCs and service for
data centers. ARM and Apple dominated the mobile chipset chipset wars,
and now in Nvidia is dominating the design of AI chips.
The only constant there, by the way, is TCMC, the

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Taiwanese giant has dominated manufacturing for decades. So the point is,
if you're an investor at this point, Ayen, you need
to be really careful. Companies are not being left behind.
So make sure they have a healthy degree of paranoia
about disruption or competition, make sure they're not underspenning on
research and development, and just make sure those companies are
not resting on their laurels, which is potentially what Intel

(01:29:37):
did back in the day.

Speaker 4 (01:29:38):
Yes, such a good point, Hey, Sam, as always, thank you, Sam.
Dickia Fisherpun's economists actually had a really interesting opening paragraph
when they did a piece on Intel. I feel like
it was in the last week or a couple of
weeks or something like that. And it started like this
and said Intel has spent two decades missing the next
big thing. The chip maker's dominant PC business blinded it
to the opportunity for mobile phones in the two thousands
and more recently, the the film was slow to adopt

(01:30:01):
extreme ultraviolet lithography, which is an expensive chip making process
that was originally funded by Intel itself. Intel has spent
two decades missing the next big thing. Hey, that's an indictment,
isn't it. Seventeen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:30:14):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's hither dup
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Speaker 4 (01:30:25):
Ibi Indebrady are UK correspondences with us right now. Hey Inda,
Hey Heather, great to speak to you now, Inda. Not
a good look for Kirstama this thirty million dollar flat,
is it?

Speaker 13 (01:30:35):
It's not a good look. But you know what, he
hasn't actually done anything wrong. He hasn't broken any of
the parliamentary laws. And basically Labor have a very wealthy
political donor called Lord Ali and as the election campaign
was getting into full swing. The Starmers have two children,
sixteen year old boy, thirteen year old girl. We don't
even know their names, that they're not in the public

(01:30:57):
eye as they should not be their children. And basically
the Starmer parents here and his wife, they were very
concerned that, you know, as the election campaign was getting underway,
there was camera crews, photographers outside their house where they
live in North London, and Lord Ali said the Starmer, look,
I've got an empty flat in Covent Garden. Why don't

(01:31:17):
you just relocate there. Nobody will bother you and then
the young fella can just kind of study, do his
exams and not have all the hullabaloo of the media
around him. So the Starmer family thought it was a
kind offer. He has listed it in the Register of Members'
Interests as something that he was done, eated or given.
But it's the fact that I think that it's a

(01:31:39):
unit worth thirty million dollars and they had it for
a few weeks for free. That's what seems to be
really annoying the Conservatives. But I mean, for all the
Conservatives going mad about this, you know, there's a few
names you could chuck into the mix who've kind of
not exactly left the public world. Here for the better
Boris Johnson, for example, Rishie Sunak and his wife who

(01:32:00):
wasn't even paying tax in the UK.

Speaker 19 (01:32:02):
I mean, don't get me started. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:32:04):
Look, the thing is I have a lot of sympathy
for the explanation that Keystam has given, and I think
a lot of parents would. But the trouble is, we
know that that is not how voters work, right, And
what happens is when you get a series of things
that creates an impression. And it's starting to create an impression,
isn't it.

Speaker 19 (01:32:21):
Yeah, it hasn't been a good week for Labor.

Speaker 13 (01:32:23):
I mean, look, there's been various different headlines about so
and so being given clothing, or so and so accepting
soccer tickets or you know, it's been.

Speaker 19 (01:32:33):
Drip, drip drip.

Speaker 13 (01:32:33):
But what people need to understand is there is a
very powerful right wing conservative media in the UK.

Speaker 19 (01:32:40):
They do not like Labor and.

Speaker 13 (01:32:43):
The problem they have, you know, they're trying to chip
away at Starma and make out that he's a greedy man.
He's a public servant, the guy who spent his entire
life working for the public good. You know, I actually
think he is what Britain needs, right now keep people
keep saying, Oh, he's boring, he's not very charismatic. Britain
needs a pragmatist who's going to actually work for the

(01:33:05):
public good. And okay, he seems to have a lot
of wealthy connections and they put that apartment at his
family's disposal in the summer. I would have done exactly
the same. If a child is struggling to concentrate, get
the work done, they get one shot at these exams.

Speaker 19 (01:33:20):
And I think Starmer, as a parent, made the right call.

Speaker 4 (01:33:23):
Hey, just out of interest. Do you think that the
right wing component of the media is stronger in the
UK than the lift wing?

Speaker 1 (01:33:30):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (01:33:30):
Absolutely, Oh my god, absolutely everything here that front. I'm
not going to name these newspapers, but they are vicious
and you listen to the you know, the same people
didn't have a problem with Boris Johnson putting the son
of a KGB agent in the House of Lords.

Speaker 19 (01:33:46):
This actually happened. The same people didn't have.

Speaker 13 (01:33:48):
A problem with Boris Johnson giving an American woman who
he was later alleged to have an affair with one
hundred grand sterling for her business, or taking her on
numerous trips when he was.

Speaker 19 (01:33:57):
Lord Mayor of London. You just you couldn't make it up.
I mean there was one rule for them and a
very different rule for the other lot.

Speaker 4 (01:34:04):
Yeah, very interesting. He listen on these troops that have
been seen to Cypress. Is this in preparation for the
evacuation from Lebanon?

Speaker 13 (01:34:12):
So yes, there are six thousand British citizens living in
Lebanon and Keir Starmer wants people to safety as quickly
as possible, So evacuation plans have been drawn up by
the Ministry of Defense at great speed. Seven hundred UK
troops are now in Cyprus. There is an RAF base
there on the Greek Cypriot administration side, raf Acritiri, and

(01:34:35):
they are looking at whether they can get planes in
or will it be a naval michel mission to get
into a port like Triple or be route and basically
on the seaside, sorry, to basically get people back out
to Cypress and home to the UK. But you know
this is changing by the hour, and we've already seen overnight,
you know, New Zealand and the UK putting their name

(01:34:56):
to a call for a twenty one day ceasefire. But
you can just imagine Israel want listen to that and.

Speaker 4 (01:35:02):
It's always good to talk to you. Thank you, will
talk to you again soon. That's end of Brady Are
UK Correspondent. Listen. Isn't it fascinating by the way that
it's the right wing in Britain according to Enda, that
are the ones that have the stronghold, whereas here we're
having a completely different discussion in New Zealand, aren't we.
I mean, we often complain about how left leaning our
media are and how hostile they are to the coalition government,

(01:35:22):
so it's like the reverse. Anyway, sounds like the vaping
thing is out of control, and this is the thing
that has made me more worried than anything about how
out of control the vaping is. There's a story on
one of the papers today about a bunch of young
people who are, in order to give up the vapes
switching to Siggis by switching to Siggi's to get because

(01:35:44):
they are so hooked on the vapes. They can't quit
the vapes. They know the vapes are bad for them,
right that one of them is like wheezing. She's got
she vapes so much her lungs wheeze when she's not well.
When she's vaping, so she knows it's really bad for her,
but try as she might, she cannot get off it.
Best she can do is a month and then if
it's stressful, she's back on the vapes and stuff. Vapes
all the time and you know, has all the withdrawals

(01:36:05):
and stuff like that. So one of these kids, a
nineteen year old university student in Wellington, said it felt
safer in a weird way to resort to cigarettes because
you know everything about it, but with vaping we don't
know what the chemicals are. So the whole flat has
switched from vaping to Siggi's because they know that they

(01:36:28):
know both of them are bad for them, but at
least they had an idea of how bad the ciggies are,
and they've got no idea how bad the vapes are.
How worrying is that eight away from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
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Speaker 4 (01:36:48):
Hey, did you know the Greens have changed their name?
I didn't realize, but they actually they actually put in
a little application with the Electoral Commission a couple of
days ago, and I can't remember exactly old and have
I got it here? Yes, actually I do, I do
have it right here. The Green's current name is the
Greens or the Green Party of Altier or slash New Zealand,
and now they're just going to go for the Green

(01:37:09):
Party of Altier or in New Zealand. They're going to
ditch the Greens. So I feel like they want to
take themselves a little bit more Theoriously, I'm surprised they
didn't go for a bilingual name. Actually feels like that's
the kind of thing because Chloe's asking all her questions
in two languages in Parliament at the moment. So yeah,
mister trick there listen. I've got to tell you, I
am quite enjoying the absolute panic that's set in on

(01:37:29):
Wellington since the government told them to go back to work.
The local papers running an article today saying it's a
quote bitter pill for them to swallow. Let me just
remind you what we taught. They've been told to go
back to the office. They have been told to go
back to the office where they used to do their
jobs and don't anymore. And this is a quote bitter
pill for them to swallow. They've also written about how

(01:37:52):
people who've decided to live in places like the Wired Upper,
which is a fair drive away from Wellington, will now
be faced with a quote brutal or wayning if they're
forced to work in the city. Just remember the city
is where their actual desks are brutal, awakening. Scores of
readers I'm quoting from the article, scores of readers who
do work from home, responded that they would suffer suffer

(01:38:15):
additional financial burdens and having to return to the office,
with many citing parking, petrol, and public transport costs, as
well as daycare and after school care. Crimea river, that's
what everybody else has to do. Welcome to the rest
of the world. But then even even they published the
piece today giving these people advice on how to dress
for the office again. How to I don't even know

(01:38:36):
where to start. If you need to be told how
to dress for the office again? Has clearly been too long, Andy.

Speaker 35 (01:38:42):
Let's hope it starts with some pants.

Speaker 4 (01:38:45):
Jeez, I guess they're basics, the basics, undies songs. Yeah,
all that good stuff top as well. It's quite good.

Speaker 35 (01:38:52):
Yeah, not bad.

Speaker 4 (01:38:53):
Iron.

Speaker 35 (01:38:53):
I bet a lot of clothes won't fit. So the
have to barkers will be happy, won't they?

Speaker 4 (01:38:57):
Yeah, well, I mean you're thinking about the blokes, got
the ladies, the ladies ladies to just take out an
old cardigan. You know it's okay.

Speaker 35 (01:39:07):
Phineas is coming in. Do you have you heard of Phineas?

Speaker 4 (01:39:09):
Excuse me, but is that not? What's her Face's brother?

Speaker 3 (01:39:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:39:12):
What's her faces?

Speaker 35 (01:39:13):
Billie Eilish, his brother is coming. We're getting a lot
of good artists here. It's like a series I'm doing
on this show if you've noticed. Yes, he's going to
be coming in January the seventh for a one off
show town Hall in Auckland. It is a one off show.
It's kind of in that New Year's period, which is
a slightly random time.

Speaker 4 (01:39:28):
But I've got his own songs, is he Yeah?

Speaker 35 (01:39:30):
Yeah, he's said tons of Grammy nominations, also awards, and
he's got a brand new album called Crying Out Loud.

Speaker 8 (01:39:37):
Crying Out Loud.

Speaker 33 (01:39:37):
I would I like it?

Speaker 6 (01:39:39):
Do you like this?

Speaker 35 (01:39:42):
I think it'd be amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:39:43):
Yeah, No, I actually do like that. That sounds quite cool.
I would go if I wasn't like majorly pregnant at
that stage. All right, Thanks for that, Andy, See you tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:39:55):
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