Full Show Podcast: 27 August 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newspakers to get the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's hither Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected new stalk zaid be.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today,
Chris Hopkins is going to be with us, talk us
through whether he's really going to stick with that oil
and gaspan. We're going to get you the latest on
the Pulkinghorn trial. The defense lawyer is really having a
crack at the investigating cops at the moment, and is
the country's toughest prison unit just too tough on the prisoners.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Heather Duplicy Ellen, I reckon.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
There was actually quite a smart move from Chris Luckson
yesterday calling on opposition parties to support the government in
fixing this energy crisis that we find ourselves in at
the moment. Not only was it a smart move because
this is serious. We've got businesses closing down and cutting
jobs because they cannot afford their power bills at the moment,
and if it's that serious, it really does require everyone
in Parliament to be grown ups about it. But it's

(00:55):
also a smart move because I think it's going to
eventually politically snooker Labor on that oil and gas ban,
and I reckon they are starting to get in a
little bit of trouble on it now at the moment.
Mind blowingly, Labor is still committed to this absolutely ridiculous idea.
I mean even yesterday Chris Hopkins Boulders Brass said, nap,
it's a bottom line. They are absolutely going to bring

(01:17):
back the oil and gas ban. But I wonder if
this is something that they're saying until they say the opposite,
do you know what I mean? They're going to hold
this line hard until they change their minds on it,
because I don't think that they can hold this line forever.
Their argument at the moment, this is Labour's argument at
the moment, basically is the climate is more important than
two hundred and thirty mil jobs in the Ruapehu district

(01:41):
and three hundred jobs at Methanex in Taranaki. And however
many other jobs are lost around the country at businesses
that close down now because they can't afford the power bills,
because we're running out of gas and we're not trying
to find anymore because labor won't let us try. That's
their argument. The climate is more important than those jobs.
Labour's argument on why they need to maintain the ban
is just absolutely bollocks as well. I mean they go

(02:03):
around saying that there is no more gas out there. Basically,
yes there is. It is. There patently is gas out there.
There are two fields off the coast of the North
Island that have got gas. There's Twuty off Taranaki and
there's card Were off Raglin. Both are just sitting there.
We know they've got gas. Nobody's tapping them at the moment,
so it is out there. If Labor even really did

(02:25):
believe what it was saying, right, if it really believed
that there was no more gas out there, then why
do you need a ban. Just lift the band, let
the investors trick themselves and go and keep exploring for
this non existent gas. It's not going to do us
any harm if they because there's no gas to find apparently.
But in the meantime we're going to benefit from the
fact that these companies bring their equipment down and maintain
the wells we've already got.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
Now.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
I do not think that Labour's in trouble on this
just yet. I reckon they've got a bit of time,
which is why they're holding the line and saying they're
going to bring this band back. And my reason, the
reason I reckon they're not in trouble at the moment
is because most Kiwis are not affected yet. Most of
us do not work at Method X or any of
these businesses being shut down right now. But come April,

(03:06):
our power bills are all going to go up. We
are in for a nasty shock and when we see
the cost of the span on every single one of us,
Labour might have to come round to dropping this policy.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Togever do for ce Ellen, Labour's with us.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
Chris Hapkins is with us after five o'clock. Now to
a matter that's going on in Wellington. Posties in the
Capitol are refusing to deliver a pamphlet that is meant
to go to eighty thousand homes. The pamphlet is from
a political campaign group called Beta Wellington and some posters
have said that they are uncomfortable delivering the pamphlet because
they reckon it contains misinformation. Now, their boss, New Zealand
post says this is not on It's not their job

(03:40):
to do this. John Maynard is the co president of
the Postal Workers' Union and with us. Now, hey, John
hib what's the problem with the pamphlet is at the
mosque bit.

Speaker 5 (03:49):
The problem is that, oh, they can say whatever they
like about the City Council, and you know, people have
got their abuse, but you've got to be a bit
careful when you're talking about matters of sensitive community relationships.
And their statement is not correct.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
What's not right about their statement?

Speaker 5 (04:04):
The statement says that the Welling City Council wants six
mosques to broadcast the Call to Prayer across Wellington and
a nice board statement like that, well is.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Your problem is are you are you do you have
a problem with semantics because you know Wellington City Council
is looking into the same.

Speaker 5 (04:21):
Indeed, so what they could have said was the Welling
City Council and the Islomic community having discussions about what
might be an appropriate time or place or process to
do something like this.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
That's fine, John Han going, are you telling me right
now that you accept that Wellington City Council is considering
allowing the Call to Prayer to be broadcast.

Speaker 5 (04:42):
They having a discussion with the Islamic community.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
And so you're accepting, you accepting that this thing is
a potential, But you have a problem with the way
that it's been phrased.

Speaker 5 (04:55):
Yes, I think it's.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
That's that's ridiculou. I mean I could understand if you
people were not delivering a pamphlet, because what explain to
me what is misinformation about it is.

Speaker 5 (05:07):
This is misleading. Anybody who reads that thinks, oh, we're
going to have the call to prayer every morning. That's
what when I've asked people to read it up, So
read it.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
John, Does the sentence say every morning? Does it say
well into account?

Speaker 6 (05:20):
No?

Speaker 5 (05:20):
No, But it's been carefully written. When people write leaflets,
and I've written plenty of them myself, you're very careful
about the wording and you think about what are people
going to take from reading this. That's why I gave
it to people to read a pamphlet.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
You and your post is a banning a pamphlet based
on what you think people are going to read into it.

Speaker 5 (05:37):
Oh, we're asking banning it. We're asking New Zealand Posts
to assure us that the content is not illegal. Now
New Zealand Post was not sure whether the content was legal.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
Under what law would it not be legal?

Speaker 5 (05:50):
Well, I'm not a lawyer. We're asking the company to
assure us that it's legal, and they couldn't do that.
They couldn't assure us that it was what it was,
that it was legal.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Don't you got to have grounds to be asking something
like that, What Lord do you think they're breaking?

Speaker 5 (06:04):
What Lord do we think they've broken? We've just asked
them that They sent us an email saying to us
it does not it's not obviously illegal. That's what they
said to us. Well that doesn't mean that it's legal.
So we've said back to them, well, if it's.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
Not, do you want them do you want them to
tell you which laws it doesn't break? Because there's like
twenty thousands of them.

Speaker 5 (06:22):
I think they need to be pretty careful about a
matter as sensitive as this. We know what happened in Christ.
This is something I mean, we've already had a city
councilor say that she thinks this would written to make
people angry. Now I'm not saying that, but that's an
opinion that's out.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
It's written to make people angry. You're not the angry police,
are you?

Speaker 5 (06:39):
You're posting No, we're not the angry police. No, No,
where the police. We want to deliver something if the
company can can can convince us that it is legal,
And the company couldn't convince us it was legal. Why
we have post delivering something that may not be legal.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
I struggle to believe how many posters you got on Willington.

Speaker 5 (06:57):
Forty or so.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
I struggle to believe that forty posters have come to
this conclusion by themselves. You're putting them up to this,
aren't you, as the union.

Speaker 5 (07:05):
Are not at all? It's the posters that came to us,
and I stood aside from a group of posts, discussion
came to you. What were they believe it enough? A
couple of his posters came a couple of them.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
Suddenly forty don't want to deliver it.

Speaker 5 (07:18):
That's correct, Yeah, are concerned. Forty are concerned. Forty are
concerned about what impact this flyer would have with that
statement in it, and agreed with us that we need
to check with the company that the content is legal.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
Since when is it a union's job to get involved
in something like this. Aren't you supposed to be looking
after your employees rights and stuff like that?

Speaker 5 (07:38):
I mean, yeah, I mean the posters are people who
are out in the community all Now.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
What are you guys now community, are you.

Speaker 5 (07:45):
Not at all? We're asking New Zealand Posts to assure
us that the flyers legal. They haven't done that.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
It's not a union's concern.

Speaker 5 (07:51):
I think it is. I think it's the Post is
concerned because they are the ones putting it in everybody's letterbox.
In fact, the company first tried to get them to
breach the city comes of bylaws by sick in them
in letter boxes with no circular signs on. That's what
first rage. The Post is concerned. What's so important about
this flyer that we're supposed to be putting it in
no circular boxes?

Speaker 3 (08:10):
Well? Quite, I could be asking you the same question
about what's so important about this you people want to
make a stand on it? John? Thank you, John Maynard,
co president of the Postal Workers Union. Now listening to
that was Better Wellington spokesperson Alistair Boyce, who's with us now?
Boy C, Hello, Boyse, You know that you've written this
to make people angry though.

Speaker 7 (08:29):
Ah no, we've done the whole flyer to expose I
know we're.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Doing just talk about the mosque, but okay, well there's
one mosque that's interested in this, and you know full
well that the only thing they want to do is
they want to broadcast the call to prayer just in
their in their grounds and just to the perimeter of
their grounds. Way you people have written this is designed
to make people angry, isn't it.

Speaker 7 (08:55):
No, No, No. What we've done is highlighted the ideological
nature of this council, and we've exposed the dichotomy between
fiscal responsibility and ideology. So these guys that council keep
middling and social justice and culture wars when we really
want to take it down and thespect.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
I take your point, but you can do it by
playing with a straight bat. And it's not all together straight,
is it.

Speaker 7 (09:22):
We're had counselors that have seen that and said that
that's exactly what's happening, that it's the worst.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
It's the worst possible scenario.

Speaker 7 (09:32):
Well, no, it only says six miles to broadcast the
Islamic cause.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
Are across two because I only know of one.

Speaker 7 (09:40):
No, I'm not sure the inform all we're taking is
the information that's either in the media or put out
by counsel. So that's not correct. Council should correct us
and tell us what they are doing.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
I mean the problem is boys. I take Look, I
take John's point as ridiculous as I think this union
is being. I take John's point that the way that
it's written, it sounds like the council wants this to happen,
and that's not strictly true. It's a couple of counselors
who potentially maybe wanted to happen, not the entire council.

Speaker 7 (10:11):
Well why are they investigating it and getting their council
staff to promulgate it through with their investigation?

Speaker 3 (10:20):
Yeah, well, because the two counselors wanted to happen. Ah, anyway,
who would you guys, maybe I don't know, twink it
out so that they can post it.

Speaker 7 (10:29):
Well, hopefully we'll get some more people donating to Better
Wellington and then of course we can do another patslet
and the Wellington City Council will make perfectly clear their
stance on these issues and they can show a bit
of fiscal responsibility and maybe get our rates down of it.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
Yeah, well, you know what, I'm with you on that,
at least. Alistair Boyce, who was part of Better Wellington
eighteen past four.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
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Speaker 3 (11:08):
Darcy water Grave is with me right now, Sports Talk Coast.
He does.

Speaker 8 (11:11):
I bet that Graham Andersley is going to be apologizing
at the every round in the hal It's just part
of his job description.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
Now this, I mean, this is fair enough that they
admit that somebody should have been in trouble for what
happened to Roger two of us A sheck right.

Speaker 8 (11:24):
Yes, and most last fans will be going well what
about it at the time. But things get messed. There
are mistakes, there are whoa he.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
How could you miss it? The guy was stumbling around
on the park and needed an hia. He clearly had
taken a knock to the head.

Speaker 8 (11:39):
And the shoulder went squarely into the heads. I will
take you back to a refereeing sorry, an umpire decision
with a hot spot many years ago. The guy was
called Nigel Long and it was Nathan Lyon and they're
in a bit of trouble on Test Match Australia and
New Zealand and Nathan Lyon hit the skin off it
and there was this huge white mark on his back.

(12:01):
Not a Nigel Long say. It could have been anything.
It happens. People just block, don't they make these errors?

Speaker 9 (12:07):
What do you what do you do?

Speaker 3 (12:09):
I know, well, this is the guy's blonde chap later
on in the game, the blonde warrior who got knocked
in the face and he had the skin taken off
his eye and clearly was also a knocks to the head,
and then nothing happened.

Speaker 8 (12:21):
Yeah, well, I just I think that what we have
as a situation there is what we had after that
is through the rest of the games there were a
lot of Reefs who suddenly panicked and seen everyone to
the pit because they saw that we've got Brent Tate
who's a former Warrior, former Cowboy, and of course also
in the comics Female Fox talking about that up after
seven o'clock and what has to be done because talking

(12:44):
to them and setting up the interview goes they're in
real trouble. This could wreck the final series if it
carries on like this. But what can be done? That
is the question do the Bunker have to take had
their power was taken off them? More on the in
the hands of the.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Refere Paris right. Remember I remember when Jason Paris got
in trouble for saying the refs were bias time.

Speaker 8 (13:04):
If you look all of the games, and you watch
a lot of the games, it is not a warrior's situation.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
No, it isn't.

Speaker 8 (13:12):
Everybody gets caught up in this. But of course here
all of the eyeballs are on the warriors and the
talk and the tweets, so of course everyone things they're
out to get us. They're not out to get us,
And I don't think is it incompetence? Is it just
the nature of human psyche?

Speaker 3 (13:28):
Darcy, thank you. I'm looking forward to hearing this in
your show later on. That's Darcy autograph. He'll be back
for sports talkers at seven four three.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Heather Duplicy Allen cutting through the noise to get the facts.
It's Hither Duplicy Allen drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected and news talk.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
As they'd be.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
Heather, well done. Unbelievable these unions. Hither or how often
do the posters deliver items that contain illicit items like
drugs and weapons and pawn? Why the moral high ground? Now?
Very good point, James, Hither my letterbox has got no
junk mail posts always stick labor and green misinformation pamphlets
and bloody hell, Heather, does this guy check every item
of mail that post he is delivered? It might start
my only here, so is the union now the chief

(14:07):
sense I'll tell you what we're gonna talk about more.
Talk about this later on in the program again, because yeah,
I feel like we all just need to calm down.
I'm just gonna let off a bit of steam and
then we'll talk about it rationally later on. Listen to
this though, six to twenty six past four. By the way,
do you want to know what the biggest one hit
wonder in the history of the world is? Wait for it,

(14:30):
This song.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Sucks a.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
That song is called Jenny Jenny. It's actually, well, more accurately,
it's called eight six seven five three oh nine Jenny
Jenny by Tommy twotone who know's ever heard of because
it sucks disappointing because it's actually not that greatest song
and actually not even really that popular. But there is
a science to how they figured out that it's the
greatest one hit wonder in the history of the world. Basically,
what they do is they look at the gap between

(15:08):
the one hit wonder and the next biggest song by
the same artist, right, And they've got a little formula.
They do this on Spotify streams. So if the first
song has one hundred streams and then the second strong
second song has let's say ten streams, then the second
song is only a tenth as popular. It has a
secondary success rate of ten percent. If the first one
has one hundred streams and the second one has five streams,

(15:31):
then it's a secondary success rate of five percent, and
so on and so on and so on. What you
want is the smallest secondary success rate. So Jenny Jenny
has more than one hundred and nine million streams, his
second song, White Flag only has eleven thousand streams. He's
got the biggest secondary success rate out there with the smallest, actually,
zero point zero one percent. It's tiny. It truly is

(15:52):
a one hit wonder. But because it sucks, because nobody
even likes that song, we're not gonna go with that one.
Let me tell you about the second on the list,
Absolute banger Michael Simballow second song Automatic Man, nobody's ever
heard of before? Who cares? It had a secondary success
rate of zero point zero eight percent this song? What evidence?

(16:14):
What have you come on? You'll ever play that again?

Speaker 1 (16:20):
No?

Speaker 3 (16:20):
That's not no. Oh, answers completely in a shambles. Anyway,
should we Okay, we'll play Maniac again later because we
can't just there?

Speaker 1 (16:27):
We are?

Speaker 3 (16:30):
How good? One of the greatest bangers of all time? Anyway,
I'll give you some more later on a Headline's.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
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Speaker 1 (16:45):
Be n love me.

Speaker 10 (16:51):
The scene so you can see all these.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
Take bit of a revelation in the Pulkinghorn trial this afternoon.
It turns out that Pauline Hannah, his wife who he
is accused of murdering, I started typing a message on
her phone at four am the day that she died,
but she didn't send it. It was to him and one
other person, and that person is suppressed. We don't know
who that is. But she started typing it and then

(17:19):
she never sent it. And this seems to be of
some significance in the timeline of what was happening. So
Chelsea Daniels, who's been sitting through court for us for
the whole period. Will be with us around about let's
say quarter past four, and she'll talk us through the details.
We're going to talk to Sam Emory out of Australia
very shortly. A barrisoper standing by with politics, Heather, it
should be Rick Astley's never going to give you up?

(17:40):
Hold on? Hold on? Is that even on the Is
that even on the top twenty hold on just having
a look for you. No, no, it doesn't even make
the top twenty one hit wonder bangers in the history
of the world. You wait till you hear the rest,
and there's some absolute doozies on there hither you know
how this gas exploration thing is going to go. A
useless chippy will not make the change, but you'll get
ousted from the leadership of the Labor Party and then

(18:02):
the next leader, most likely Kieren macnolty, will step in
and agree not to repeal it. If action demo, you
may be onto something there and I think this is
the only way out for the Labor Party. However, what
I will say to you is Kieran is a lot
more left wing than you think he is. Like he
looks like a farmer and talks like a farmer and
swears like a farmer. But boy, oh boy, that man
could be in a union twenty two away from five.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
It's the world wires on newstalks, they'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
The United Nations has paused its AID operations in Gaza
on Ra staff have been ordered by Israel to evacuate
the areas that they were operating from, and they say
they can't deliver aid until they find somewhere else to go,
and a spokesperson for them says israel defense forces are
making it almost impossible for them to do their job.

Speaker 11 (18:44):
The space that people have been confined to is so minimal.

Speaker 12 (18:48):
There are tanks in areas.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
That used to be designated as safe areas, and this
is just another testament to that being nowhere safe in
the Gaza strip will nowhere to go. Russia has launched
a major air attack on cities across the whole of Ukraine.
At least seven people have been confirmed dead. Vladimir Zelenski,
the Ukrainian president, says the attack wouldn't have done so
much damage if Ukraine's allies had helped with air defense.

(19:14):
We could have done more in order to protect life.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
If aircraft of our European neighbors, had worked together with
our F sixteen jats and air defense.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
And finally he want me out to the ball game.
So I'm sort of bit of a first. Danny Jansen
has become the first player in history to play for
both teams in the same Major League Baseball game. He
was a Toronto Blue Blue Jay sorry in June, and
then he played in their match against the Boxton Red Sox,
a Boston Red Sox which was postponed part way through
because of rain. But the next day Danny was traded

(19:46):
to the Red Sox, so when the match started up
again yesterday, he was playing against his own teammates. The
Blue Jays won four to one, so I guess Danny
won and lost.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
International correspondence with ends and eye insurance.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
Peace of mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
Sam Imriy is with us out of Australia. High knight,
half noon, Heather. So the construction workers have gone on strike,
have they?

Speaker 13 (20:08):
Yes, Heather, they certainly have. In fact, it's one of
the biggest unions in Australia, boasting over one hundred and
fifteen thousand members. It's pretty much the main trade union
in Australia for the building, construction, shipping, and several other
manufacturing industries, and at eleven o'clock this morning, they downed
tools and walked off their jobs. So protesting this decision

(20:28):
to put the construction branch into administration last week following
some pretty big allegations and well known allegations of bullying,
corruption and criminal infiltration. Heather this building industry leaders are
worried about the potential for more action obviously in the
week's coming, and they're urging authorities to keep a close
watch on what happens. Thousands gathered in Sydney CBD this morning,

(20:52):
some of them traveling well over two hours from places
like a Newcastle to get there. In fact, it's so
big that the police are asking Cap City locals to
be patient and allow extra travel time. The Victorian Premiere
has come out saying that they're going to work with
the companies that are running these major projects to try
and deal with any of these impacts from the rallies.
The arm Budsman's come out warning that they'll be monitoring

(21:13):
these protests for any illegal industrial action, and just recently
Heather the PM weighed in as well with Albout warning
that there may be consequences for construction workers who strike today.
So for an industry that was very much on it's
on shaky legs already, it's going to be one to
watch and we'll see what the fallout will be.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
What do you take from the construction workers going out
on strike? Does this say that they are unconcerned by
the allegations against the union or that they do not
believe them.

Speaker 13 (21:42):
I think they're calling for more of a fair inquiry
into this rather than pulling it straight into administration. They're
saying that it's been too much of a heavy hand
from the government to sort of to pull them straight
into administration. That it obviously shows that they're fairly confident

(22:03):
that nothing wrong.

Speaker 14 (22:04):
Has gone on.

Speaker 13 (22:05):
But I think it's more a way of showing solidarity
more so than maybe whether or not they believe whether
it's the allegations are true.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
Okay, Now, this situation with the airbnbs is fascinating. So
do you think that any counsels in Victoria are actually
going to block airbnbs?

Speaker 13 (22:24):
Well, it's interesting, isn't Heather, Because if they do block them,
then what and what are you know, how do they
actually sort of enforce that and how do they then
make sure that it continues to happen. I mean, there
are forty eight thousand Victorian homes on Airbnb, for example,
and the Green say it's an investment. It's that investment
bottleneck that's obviously pushing the property prices up because it's

(22:47):
locking out buyers and renters. But the opposition is saying, no,
that's not the problem. You should be actually supporting the investors,
you know, giving them incentives to try and lower their
rent and make their properties more available.

Speaker 14 (23:03):
You know.

Speaker 13 (23:03):
It's really sort of it's hard to know how they
could actually police this heather, you know. But at the
same time, we do know that we are in one
of the biggest housing crisises that Australia's seen. People are
forgoing medicine and food to pay their rent, you know.
I'm certainly in that group here in Sydney at the moment.
You know, it's very difficult if you've got kids in
school and everything to try and have enough money to

(23:26):
have the bare necessities that we all think we should have.
So the reforms are due to come before Parliament this week.
I'm sure everyone will in Australia will be watching this
to see a if it gets up and then how
it goes once it's actually in play.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
Yeah, food point. I mean, I suppose it's pretty tough
and you want to blame someone, don't you. Listen This
AFL cout a coach who's chased after the car thie
for the suspected carfie. Who is this person? And did
they manage to do it? Like, did they manage to
actually apprehend them? Were they on foot or in the car?

Speaker 15 (23:56):
Yeah, well I've got answers to all those questions, Heather.
It was AFL co to Michael Voss, and he did
actually chase down and detain an alleged car thief who
tried to flee the scene of a crash in Melbourne
this morning. Was a sixteen year old near Melbourne school
around nine o'clock, so it would have been very busy,
and he tried to flee the scene. But little did

(24:17):
he know, Heather, that a very fast paced, middle aged
and most importantly, very fit professional football coach was hot
in his heels.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Yeah, I was gonna say, I mean, being on foot
like this guy struck it unlucky to have an AFL
coach chasing crick didn't he he really had?

Speaker 12 (24:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (24:33):
He really went because the cafe owners and he tried
to actually chase him down himself, but he said, next thing,
you know, boss, he just went straight past him because
he obviously had a bit of pay.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
Still good from her mate, Thank you very much. Sam
really appreciated Sammy Marie the Australia correspondent Right, Barry soap
is going to be us next on politics sixteen Away
from five.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Politics was centrics credit, check your customers and get payments Certainty.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
Barry Soper, Senior Political correspondence with US. Hey barring, good afternoon.
Do you reckon labor softening at stance on this?

Speaker 16 (25:00):
While there was an interesting exchange in the house this afternoon. No,
the listeners can probably read what they will into it.
But there is in terms of security that any investor
in this country has to have. And a point that
was made by the offshore wind developer Blue Float Energy
then New Zealand manager Nathan Turner. He said that New Zealand,

(25:23):
if it wants to encourage investment, it needs a bipartisan
energy plan. Now that's been said time and time again
in Parliament now as he said that frequent changes and
policy from one election to another is certainly not helpful
to encourage investment into this country. Well, Resources Minister Shane

(25:44):
Jones was again at his lyrical best in Parliament this afternoon,
but did get I think something of an undertaking from
Chris Sipkins that any contract entered into by this government
will be honored by a government led by him.

Speaker 17 (26:00):
Listen, well, what is happening with this House that the
beauty of language and robust expressions suddenly are turning the
other side into sobs. It is a very bleak day
that members of this House feel they have the right
to threaten and further undermine sovereign risk of investment.

Speaker 18 (26:17):
There has been no claim on this side of the
House that we would cancel contracts already entered into.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
So odd on that's not true though, Well, no, it's
not what's going One of their mp was Rachel Brooking
Well said that they would do that.

Speaker 16 (26:30):
It's not only her, there was the Greens. They will
be part of any future coalition government and they've vehemently
opposed to any certainly lifting of the oil and gas band.
But any contract I would imagine being honored beyond that.
So and James Shaw. Last November he was saying that

(26:51):
even if there was a viable fine, production is unlikely
to begin in three the three years of this government,
six or even years and after that who knows. So
they're still muddying the water the greens. But I think
certainly maybe Chris Hopkins has moved towards well, maybe giving

(27:13):
the investors a better steer.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
Where they may have some wiggle room. Is that Rachel Brooking,
who's the environment spokesperson, did not say that they would
revoke consents as far as I can see. She said
that they would consider that and that there would be
on a case by case basis. So she left the
door open, which is basically like close enough for.

Speaker 16 (27:33):
Hawkins is basically saying any contract that entered into will
be hon.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
It all interesting stuff. Hey, so Shane Jones, do you
remember he labeled that High Court judge of communists?

Speaker 16 (27:42):
He's been a busy boy in part Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
Twist in this story, isn't it?

Speaker 16 (27:45):
Well, it's interesting because the High Court judge question is
just Justice Sheryl Gwynn. Now she recently awarded the customary
title to Mali, and that's caused all sorts of problem
At the moment that Jones said he couldn't remember the
context of what he said when he initially called her

(28:06):
a communist, but he said political rhetoric that goes without
saying politicians do that. But in the House, Chris Luxen
faced questions from Chris Sipkins over the independence of the
judiciary from Parliament to where the Jones comments were inappropriate.

Speaker 18 (28:23):
Jane Jones renewed as attacks last week, calling a High
Court judge a communist.

Speaker 19 (28:27):
Matter of fact, you'd have to ask the minister about that,
but what I'd say is that he was being descriptive,
not critical.

Speaker 18 (28:33):
Is it acceptable for a minister in his government to
describe a judge as a communist?

Speaker 19 (28:39):
The comments are descriptive, not critical. That's exactly what has
happens on the public record. They may not have been
the words that I'd use, but he's perfectly free to
do so.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
As the Prime Minister.

Speaker 19 (28:50):
Surprised that the leader of the Labor Party believes communist
is a critical term.

Speaker 16 (29:00):
Yeah, Well, the fact is that Justice Quinn once belonged
to the Socialist Action League. I've looked that up. That
particular league. It renamed itself in the late eighties to
the Communist League. She had been a member of it,
and she was appointed to the High Bench by David

(29:21):
Parker in twenty nineteen. But the irony in all of
this story here that to me is that she was
also appointed as an Inspected General of Intelligence and Security.
So the head spy in this country as a communist
in two thousand was a communist. Oh how good is that?
But that was appointed by the NATS of course, so

(29:43):
you know, she's had an interesting career.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
So Shane Jones gets away with that one because it
was as a statement of facts. He does as you
liking Phase two of the COVID inquiry.

Speaker 16 (29:52):
Well, it's interesting, isn't it, because we're not through phase
one yet. That'll finish in November when Tony Blakeley, who
the instrum marks raised over the epidemiologists in Australia. They'll
finish up and then the new loss what happened, So
you're going to have to me it's going to be
quite interesting, two quite separate reports, and the terms of

(30:14):
reference for the second phase could be much more critical
of the government than.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
The first, the former government.

Speaker 16 (30:22):
The former government.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
Yes, I suspect that's exactly what's going to happen. Barry,
Thank you always appreciated, Barry so, but seeing your political
correspondent eight away from five.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Digging into the issues that affect you the mic Hosking breakfast.

Speaker 9 (30:33):
Heaven forbid.

Speaker 19 (30:34):
You should make up your own mind as to how
you're employed and what the rules of engagement are.

Speaker 4 (30:38):
Were you courts to do that?

Speaker 9 (30:40):
And when you you need to look after you?

Speaker 18 (30:41):
Apparently, if I decide to do something, that's my choice,
isn't it.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
Well not a New Zealand law.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
Unfortunately, if they said this afternoon, go how quickly could
you make it happen?

Speaker 20 (30:54):
I think our part of the physical infrastructure is actually
relatively straightforward.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Back tomorrow at six am the mic Hosking with the
rain driver the Lahne News talk z B.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Hey, Chippy's with us after five, so he's gonna be
with us in about twelve minutes time. It's five away
from five at the moment. By the way, he has
this afternoon confirmed that the Labor Party is considering what
they're going to do tax wise. It is a live
discussion to get a load of this. This is what
we're thinking about. There is a lot of conversation within
the Labor Party at the moment around different forms of taxation,

(31:25):
capital gains tax, wealth tax combinations of capital gains tax
and wealth tax. Also land taxes. Yay, can't wait for
all of that to happen anyway, I might just ask
him about that once we've done dealing with the oil
and gas band. Also, I've got to get you across
what's just happened with the copper ZEP just had to
win over the headhunters, and I think all of us
will be pretty stoked about that. Right here we go

(31:48):
the top twenty one hit wonders of all time. Right
we've done Tommy two Tone, Jenny Jenny, Sucky Song, Michael
Simbalomaniac Awesome Song, Len Steel My Sunshine comes in at
number three. The Spirit in the Sky is number four. Woomp,
there it is is number five. Breakfast to Tiffany's is
number six. Wait for it, wait, wait for it. We're

(32:08):
getting to it. Would I lie to you as number seven? Mickey,
Oh mcgirl, that's that's number eight. I'm only going to
give you the top ten because after that it dies away.
A Number nine is White Town, You're Woman, And number
ten is an absolute banger that's a bit in nineteen
eighties sacks coming at you.

Speaker 21 (32:29):
Isn't It makes you want to pot on your your
shoulder pads and your shiny gray suit, your weird tie.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
Boy meets Girl who even knew that that's what the
band was called? Boy meets Girl waiting for a starter
for and by the way, the eighties are the best,
the best decade for one hit wonders. Something happened, something
was in the water in the eighties and everybody just
started writing one good song, nothing else, just the one.
And also, oh, this is going to make you feel old.

(33:02):
In six years time, it's going to be twenty thirty.
And in six years time the eighties are going to
be fifty years old. Fifty years old. Absolute Dinosaur.

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Speaker 2 (33:38):
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Speaker 3 (33:44):
Afternoon. The government's calling on Labor Party to support what
they're trying to do to fix the electricity sector, including
bringing back oil and gas exploration. Now, the reason that
this is important is because as long as the Labor
Party threatens to bring that band back when they're back
in government. The industry will not come back. Chris Hopkins
is the labor leader and with us now, sure, how

(34:04):
are you and well, thank you very much. Are you
going to bring the band back?

Speaker 23 (34:08):
Oh, we've said that we're opposed to the removal of
the oil and gas that you know, the band on
new oil and gas exploration offshore, and we would reinstate
that again. We've got an abundance of renewable electricity opportunities
in New Zealand. There's literally thousands of megawatts of our
new renewable electricity generation already consented. We should be building

(34:29):
that now and we wouldn't have an energy shortage.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
Yeah, but they're not building it right, So we need
the gas, don't we? Do you accept that we need
the games?

Speaker 23 (34:36):
But Huntly is actually, if you talk to the people
building renewable at the electricity I'll say that the burning
of fossil fuels is one of the things that disincentivizes
the investment of renewables. So what you got to do
is you've got to ask the question, if there's thousands
of megawatts already of renewable electricity consented that could be
built faster than thermal you know, faster than gas side stuff.

(34:57):
Why isn't the market building it now?

Speaker 3 (34:59):
What do we do, though, Chippy?

Speaker 23 (35:01):
Because the market's broken, The market's prioritizing. So when Huntley
charges those exorbitant prices for peak electricity, what that does
is it actually drives drives out the incentives to build
new renewable electricity. It's distorting the market. So we need
to be making sure that we're dealing with that problem
because the electric if you're if you're operating Huntly, your

(35:23):
incentive is to just maximize the profit. The way the
market works at the moment, that the problem.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
If people were in government for six years, why didn't
you see that the stuff was being built?

Speaker 23 (35:33):
Well, if you look at it, there's actually been a
big increase in the last couple of years. But we're
making up for the fact that for about ten years
the market wasn't building. Now it has started building.

Speaker 7 (35:43):
In the life.

Speaker 23 (35:43):
When did it start in the last couple of In
the last couple of years, the last two years or so,
there's actually been a big upswing in the in the
amount of new renewable electricity generation coming on stream.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
And what did you do to make them build it?

Speaker 23 (35:57):
Well, one of the things we were doing was making
sure that it was consented, and you know there's thousands
of megwats of it that has been consented. But actually
that will don't guess bad that the signals that the
government was sending and saying we don't think that fossil
fuels are the answer, actually helped to give the market
certainty to invest in the renewable electricity generation. What this
government is doing is by saying that they're going to

(36:18):
go back to oil and gas, they're actually saying to
renewable electricity producers that they don't think that that's the
way of the future. And I think that's in the
market the wrong signals.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
So what do we do when the sun doesn't shine
and the wind doesn't blow and we haven't got enough
water in the dams at that point, we need fossil fuels,
don't we Well, no.

Speaker 23 (36:36):
Not necessarily.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
What would we do?

Speaker 23 (36:38):
The question, well, the question becomes how you store it,
and how you use electricity.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
Enhancement and how do you store it?

Speaker 23 (36:45):
And you can do we can do things like pump hydro.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
The current government, are you talking about that stupid like
onslow idea?

Speaker 23 (36:50):
Again, Lake Consol was one variant of pump hydro, but
pump hydro is actually used quite commonly around.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
The world as.

Speaker 23 (37:00):
The way of storing electricity.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
This is not listen. I mean, this is so frustrating
because it's like the last six years didn't happen. Did
you not listen to the industry who said that when
you guys suggested an idea as dumb, as like as
lake onslow, that is what stopped people building any more.

Speaker 23 (37:15):
Generation When when you're talking about people in the industry
saying that you're talking about the generation retailers, Yeah, who don't.
They don't like the idea of some kind of battery,
which is what on is one of the options to
achieve battery. They don't like that because they want to
come on, men, bill profits.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
You cannot tell me you are.

Speaker 23 (37:38):
Always going to argue in favor of making bigger profits
over increasing supplies.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
That's fine. Might agree on that, right, we may agree
on that, but it's not going to change the fundamentals
of how this market works. You cannot tell me that
you guys, when you're re elected, are going to go
on and do exactly the same thing that you did
last time and just put us back in this hole again,
is that what you.

Speaker 23 (37:59):
Can to do when you're asking different questions, you're asking
what the alternatives are to using gas as a peak
electricity source. And what I'm saying is we need more
energy storage in New Zealand. Onslow is only one of
the ways that we can achieve that. There are other
ways of achieving that. PRIORROI, even on a smaller scale,
is one of the ways that you could look at
achieving that. There are a range of other options. Gus

(38:21):
thermal has more potential to act as a peak electricity source,
and we haven't explored the potential for it.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
To do that.

Speaker 23 (38:27):
And that's a much better alternative than gas because you
can capture the carbon probit and it's not astene, it
doesn't damage our climate change targets as much. So you know, ultimately,
the problem that we've got now is that the market
has prioritized dividends and profits, and we're talking about billions
and billions and billions of dollars over investing in a

(38:48):
new generation because profits better for them to.

Speaker 14 (38:53):
Supply.

Speaker 23 (38:54):
No, it's not because if you increase supply, you lower
the price. They don't want to lower the project. I
don't want to constrained supply because they makes up my profit.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
You know that there are businesses closing because of what
you guys did when you were in government, and you're
basically at the moment, by not wanting to back away
from this band, you're basically putting the climate ahead of
these jobs.

Speaker 23 (39:13):
Perhaps ally absolute bocks no better than that. The reason
that we have a shortage of gas is because for
the last twenty odd years we haven't found any.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
That's not true. That's true, Chris, Chris in twenty twenty, true,
Chris in twenty twenty. OMV found gas at Twutui, that's
four years.

Speaker 23 (39:33):
Ago, and they found that it was economics to extract it.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
They haven't even had a proper look at.

Speaker 23 (39:37):
It commercially, They didn't find a commercial.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
Inspiable Gay said, and you can tell me if this
situation has changed. But they said it was a significant discovery.

Speaker 23 (39:48):
So they had the permit, they could have drilled it.
They chose not to because they decided it wasn't commission.

Speaker 4 (39:53):
They chose.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
You know why, it's not commercially viable because you people
banned oil and gas exploration. That's why it's not commercially bible.
Because you people put one hundred percent renewable target on
our electricity market.

Speaker 23 (40:04):
That's not that's a ridiculous fact.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
That is exact fact.

Speaker 23 (40:07):
That is what they're any existing pyramids. We didn't cancel
any existing moment.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
You did, who have those chrisps? But then in conjuncture.

Speaker 23 (40:15):
Them and development, they chose not to.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
Chris, in conjunction with the band, you also then set
a target of one hundred percent renewable electricity, right, which
means we were going to phase our gas. So why
would they get the gas out of there?

Speaker 23 (40:30):
I mean, ultimately, what's your offensive? Two hundred percent? One
hundred percent renewable is what we're going to have to
do meet the climate to the equipments that the previous
national government signed us up.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
There, you go right there, you've put climate ahead of
jobs revenue.

Speaker 23 (40:44):
Well, I mean, how many times we're going to have
if we don't takele climate change and the planet becomes onliver?

Speaker 3 (40:50):
How many jobs we're going to have if you keep
on going down this path and trying to run us
into the ground into some third world electricity status.

Speaker 23 (40:57):
Well, running us into the ground will mean it'd be
more in climate change.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
Chris, tell me this right now. No, Chris, I don't
want to make assumptions here because of this. Tell me
this right now, what's more important to you those two
hundred and thirty jobs at Winstone or the climate both.
You can't have both, mates. You just told me you
can't have both, So which one do you want?

Speaker 23 (41:20):
Why were many of those big plants Many of those
big industrial plants were built where they were built because
they were located near to renewable electricity sources. The pro
problem is the market's now become so distorted that that
renewable electricity isn't providing them with the check electricity that
they've had previously because of the way the peak market's working.

(41:40):
It's the market. There's a market failing here, but there
is a debundance of renewable electricity.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
Thank you for coming on the show. I always appreciate
having a chat to you. Chris. It's Chris Hopkins, labor
leader quarter Past.

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Speaker 3 (42:42):
I'm going to get to your text on Chris Hapkins
shortly right now. It's nineteen past five. Got to go
to the murder trial of phil Philip Pulkinghorn. He is
accused of murdering her. He says this is his wife,
Pauline Hannah. He says she took her own life. Chelsea
Daniels has covering the trial and with us. Now, Hey, Chelse,
I am a lot of messaging between Hannah and Polkinghorn.
What have we learned from that?

Speaker 4 (43:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 24 (43:02):
So, defense lawyer Ron Mansfield question detective Reeves he was
in charge of looking at their phones and other tech.
He said, does seven plus formal written statements to assist
the jury that traversus Polkinghorn's relationship with Ashton? That's how
many he wrote? But did he review her work related
email history or the messaging between the husband and wife.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
I did review the messages.

Speaker 9 (43:28):
I looked at them. I didn't create a detailed report
on it.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
Bye.

Speaker 18 (43:33):
Was that because the messages didn't support the police narrative.

Speaker 11 (43:42):
As I said, the messages were normal day to day messages.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Or did those messages reveal a working, loving relationship between
the two of them?

Speaker 24 (43:55):
So Mansfield produces a booklet of messages beginning twenty first
of February twenty twenty, runs through the messages sent back
and forth between the couple. Lots of ex'es, darlings, and
heart emojis, other emojis. A further messaging show the pair
checking in on each other asking how they are. Did
these messages suggest a working, loving relationship, asks Manfield and Mansfield,

(44:16):
and Reeves said they did, and he didn't see any
evidence of a conflict between the pair.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
And we had a little bit of a bombshell this
afternoon from the defense, right.

Speaker 4 (44:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (44:24):
So Mansfield produces another exhibit, a timeline for Hannah's phone
usage for the early morning of April fifth, twenty twenty one,
the morning of her death. Mansfield goes through what apparently
happens when someone uses I message. When you start typing,
the app connects and logs activity, even if you didn't
send the message. There's a log entry for around four am.

(44:47):
It appears Hannah's phone was logged drafting a message on
the morning of her death to Philip Polkinghorn. Minutes later
another draft message to a friend's daughter. Neither of them
sent The trial can news tomorrow interesting?

Speaker 3 (45:01):
Hey, Chelsea, thank you very much, really appreciate it. If
you want to hear more, listen to Chelsea Daniel's podcast.
It's called Accused the Polkinghorn Trial. It's twenty one past five.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's hither duper c
Allen Drive with one New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
Let's get connected and new stalks.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
That'd be yeah, we'll get to the chippy techs shortly
got a bit of a win for the cops. Today
they've got the Headhunter's pad in Mount Wellington actually got
fifteen million dollars worth of assets and property. It's a
decision at the High Court in Auckland today. Andrew Costa
is with us after the half past five. It's twenty
four past five at the moment. On this poster issue, look,
it is not the job of the posters to decide
what gets delivered or not. I'm sure that they've got

(45:38):
got goodness in their hearts, but this is not their job.
And I take their point. The way that the pamphlet
and Wellington has written it is slightly misleading. It makes
it sound like Wellington City Council wants to let all
six mosques in the city play the call to prayer.
But the thing is it's not untrue. It's just a
little misleading, but it's not not untrue. Even the Postal
Union admits it's a point of There is a point

(45:59):
of truth here. The Wellington City Council is in fact
investigating the possibility of allowing mosques to play the call
to prayer. Now, as far as we know, it's just
to kill Bernie mosque that wants to do it. We
don't know that all six want to do it. And
when we spoke to the mosque about it earlier, it's
not all the way across the city. It's just within
their grounds that they want to play the sound. And
this is what makes this completely unacceptable from the postis

(46:22):
the pamphlet is not untrue. It's just catastrophizing the situation.
It's like a newspaper headline. They catastrophize things all the time.
We still let the newspapers go out or like a
social media clickbait, it's always you know, hooks you in
with the worst case version of the situation. It's just
hyping the situation. So basically, what we've got got here
is a case of the posties now refusing to post

(46:44):
something because it's just a little too dramatic, unacceptable from them,
not their place to decide whether they post it or not.
What if they suddenly take issue with pamphlets advertising alcohol
because a bunch of them don't like drinkers, don't want
to deliver that, or if they decide they've got a
problem with Big Farmer, so there'll be no more pharmacy
pamphlets going out, or they care all of a sudden

(47:04):
deeply about the climate, so no car advertising pamphlets are
going to go out. It's not their place to make
decisions like that, because once they start making those decisions,
you can say it's a slippery slope into basically monitoring
what goes into your letterbox. I'm also really highly suspicious
of the fact that all of a sudden, forty posters
in the Wellington area decided individually that they all hated
this particular pamphlet for exactly the same reason. I don't

(47:26):
believe it. I believe the union's behind this year. A
couple of the guys went to the union and said
it's a problem in the union basically made this a
bigger problem than it was, which begs the question, since
when did it become a union's job to monitor what
we're getting out of our letterbox? Last time I checked,
they were supposed to actually advocate for their employment of
their members. That's their actual job. I would say that
what they're doing right now is not helping the employment

(47:48):
situation at all.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Heather do for see Allen Hither that.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
Is why Chippy got spanked at the last election. Hither,
I'm not disagreeing with you, but I'll give Chippy his jews.
I reckon he held his home own way. That's fair.
Hither from the wife of a current method ex employer,
I'm calling bs on that that was poor form from
Chippy here. The Chippy's not telling the truth. Beach Energy
were two weeks away from drilling in the Southern Basin
COVID hit and they weren't allowed to operat as an
essential service. The rig sailed away, never to return. It
could be bigger than Maui down there. Just another example

(48:14):
of six years of wasted opportunity. That's from Travis Heither.
Thank god Chippy's not the prime minister. They want to
run the business into the ground. Listen. I think as
long as they hold onto the oil and gas band
like they are at the moment, he is not going well.
He's not going to be promised to anyway. Nobody in
the Red team is going to be prime minister as
long as the span is there. I think his problem
came towards the end of the interview where he said

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we can't have gas because we need to meet our
climate change commitments. We have to do one hundred percent renewable.
And right there, he put the climate ahead of every
single job that relies on gas in this country, and
there are a lot, and that can't be the worker
of the party of the worker. Can you headlines?

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Next, the day's newsmakers talked to Heather First, Heather duper
c Allen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected
and new Talk zed Bean.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
Hea that the new electric furnace at Glenbrook Steel Mill
is going to be powered by diesel generators. Cool. That's fantastic. Yeah,
it's a good thing. We got rid of that gas
a because it was causing so much damage. But the diesel,
how good is that? And the coal? Honestly hippy where
you're coming from, mate Huddles standing by and listen. I
bring you a lot of stories about how much trouble

(49:39):
the media sectors and we've got a good news one
for you. After six o'clock. Bigs of the company that
owns News Talk ZB has just reported and yeah, it's
not going the way that all the others, all the
TV guys are going with all the difficulties to stand
by and we'll deal with that. Twenty four away from
six police have scored a big win against the gangs.
Today they will seize fifteen million dollars worth of assets

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from the hea Hunters and that includes the gang's pad
in Mount Wellington and some other properties. And this is
after the High Court ruled and the police has favored.
Today the Police Commissioner Andrew cost is with us.

Speaker 25 (50:08):
Now, Hey, Andrew, that's noon, Heather.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
Was this ever going to go any other way than
your way?

Speaker 25 (50:15):
Absolutely? The team has had a huge amount of work
to demonstrate the connection between the property mister Doyle as
the president of the Headhunters and the unlawful activity. So
it's been a couple of years of very solid work
by a small team on the financial part and then
a much longer chain of investigations targeting the head Hunters

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for their criminal activity to provide the basis for that application.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
Why was it important? Why was his role in the
gang so important, whether he was the president or a
senior member.

Speaker 25 (50:51):
Well, the property was held by entities connected with him,
and so we needed to demonstrate his role over the
top of the Headhunter's criminal activities. For that property probably
to be shown to be tainted by that offending, and
it was, and it shows that, you know, we will

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persist until we can recover assets that are tained through
criminal means.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
What are you going to do with it?

Speaker 25 (51:20):
It goes into the proceeds of prime fund, which is
a fund that can be access.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
I mean, are you going to sell the power crime?

Speaker 25 (51:32):
Oh yeah, property it's disposed of and you know it's
a process that gets followed for that. So there's potential
of an appeal here. So there'll be a little bit
of waters going under the bridge yet, but you know,
a great success for the team that's been doing the work.
I'm incredibly crowd of there.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Do you reckon?

Speaker 3 (51:48):
Everybody's going to want to buy this pad? Because I
remember some somewhere down south, maybe Tom Rule, something like this,
maybe somewhere else, there was a pad that was going
to be sold in the gang called such trouble. Nobody
wants to buy the linking thing.

Speaker 25 (52:00):
It's a commercial property and it looks a lot like
any others, but for the fact that it's been customized
in particular ways. So that's something that the officials sn
will work through as they resolve it. But the point
here is this property is not going back to the gang,
and we've had a great one targeting a group that's
peddled a huge amount of misery into our community.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
Yeah, they're just going to set up somewhere else, though, aren't.
They're not going to give up, are they?

Speaker 25 (52:25):
Oh? Look, these gangs are very persistent. But when you
lose money that's been accumulated over years and years, it
does hurt, and it does make a difference. And the
point for us really is demonstrating that, you know, you
can obtain profit this way, you're not going to be
able to hold onto it.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
Andrew your man in Auckland, I think it's Tony Wakelan
is his name. He said he's told people off today
for filming at that crash yesterday in State Highway one.
Do you have a view on that?

Speaker 25 (52:57):
Look, I think just because you can doesn't mean you should.
And in the end, you know, we're talking about people's lives,
and people surely exercise some judgment about the kind of
thing that we're going to post in the kind of
thing we're not. I mean, people will make their own decisions.
But you know, I think I think the message is
probably right, and I think most people would agree that
that's not really the kind of thing that we want

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to see.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
Are we're wasting our breath because it feels like the
horse has bolted. Everybody's got a camera on their phones,
and everybody thinks it's really important to stick absolutely everything
on social media.

Speaker 25 (53:30):
Yes, they do. Look, I would like to think that
people can excise some judgment, and I think for the
means of the public and the families who are deeply
offended to see that, it's good for them to hear
from place that actually, hey, we don't think that's okay,
even if people are going to continue doing that.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
Andrew, thank you for your time. I appreciate this. Andrew Costa,
the police commissioner. This is what Counties Manecow Road Policing
Manager Inspector Tony Wakeland said.

Speaker 9 (53:55):
Okay, can I just say I thought that was disgusting.

Speaker 26 (53:57):
It really was. I mean I saw some of the footage.
It was filmed before emergency services arrived. There were close
ups of people to cease in the van, an injured
line on the road. As I say, I thought it
was horrible, asaid a lot of my colleagues, that's not acceptable.
You know, we should not be doing that, And I
say to the people that are filming that, how would
you feel if that's your family.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
It's twenty away from six.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
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Speaker 3 (54:24):
On the Huddle of Us, Ali Jones read pr and
Claire to lord journalist. Hell are you too?

Speaker 10 (54:29):
Ali?

Speaker 3 (54:29):
He makes a good point, doesn't he?

Speaker 7 (54:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 27 (54:31):
It does absolutely, And you know, I think the cost
to just say just because you can doesn't mean you should.
And I also think that it's important that those scumbags
that were filming that are called out, and not only
by police, but by I don't know, people in the
media stop doing it. Who do you think you are?
Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
Yeah, but I suspect Claire, it's not going to stop.
It's only it's just going to increase. The more access
we have to each other via the Internet and phones
and stuff. This is the future. You've got to choose
what you look at.

Speaker 28 (55:02):
Well, you've got a wonderful sort of ethic, human decency.
You have to live strength on that stuff. As I
understand they were, it's just appalling. I mean, you wouldn't
think you'd have to poll people up for it, and
I just don't know how you get through people. But
when you come across and seem like that, it's not
a reality show. It's actually the reality of grim death

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for the people who are involved. And you should if
you can't help, you should move on.

Speaker 3 (55:29):
Yeah, fair point. And now, Allie, do you think the
posters have made the right call?

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Here?

Speaker 3 (55:33):
Are the wrong call?

Speaker 28 (55:35):
This is fascinating, isn't it.

Speaker 27 (55:37):
I mean, look, the Union may not like this, and
I think this is all being driven by the union.

Speaker 28 (55:41):
Actually, I think it's politically driven.

Speaker 4 (55:44):
You know.

Speaker 27 (55:44):
I mean, unions are generally left. The Wellington City Council
is very less leaning. The leaflet is also anti council,
critical of what they call over spending. I think that's
entirely political. What I'd be interested in is if there
wasn't that, And I do think it's information either. I
don't think it's catastrophizing or using clickbait headlines like the

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media do. As you mentioned earlier, but if that information
about the call, the Islamic call to prayer wasn't in
this leaflet, would they still have come out and criticized it.
I think it's lucky there's something in there they can
hang their criticism on. But look, I think they're right
for not delivering this because of that misinformation, but I

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do think it's politically driven.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
Okay, So Elie explains me why you think it's misinformation.

Speaker 27 (56:31):
Well, my understanding is that there is a comment or
something in that pamphlet that suggests that the City Council
is going to allow this call to prayer, that there's
going to be Islamic calls to prayer across all of Wellington,
and in fact, the council has come back and said
that they're actually looking at it within their district plan
as to whether they can do that or not, that

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it's not a done deal. So to me, that's misinformation.
It's suggesting something that is not actually.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
What the inflet says is the council wants to, but
actually the council does to an extent want to because
it is investigating it.

Speaker 27 (57:08):
No, that's not true that, No, that's conflating the issue.
Just because the council is looking at something doesn't mean
that they want to. They're looking at it through their
district plan to see if it can be done or not.

Speaker 23 (57:20):
That doesn't mean that they want.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
To there are two councilors who want to die. I mean, look, look,
I agree with you. I think it's borderline, but there
is an element of truth to it. It's not a
bald faced lie, is it. It's just slightly wrong.

Speaker 27 (57:30):
No, but it's missive well slightly wrong.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
It's like you can have it's just catastrophizing what the situation,
that's all it is.

Speaker 27 (57:38):
No, it's misinformation. What you're going to start talking about
alternative facts as well? It is misinformation.

Speaker 28 (57:44):
So end of story.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
What do you think, Claire, At the end of.

Speaker 28 (57:48):
The story, and the main story is that the union
has all these or the officials have decided that they
will decide which contracted male they will deliver. Yeah, it's
not so much for them to decide the content in
then Post has a responsibility when it agrees to take
on something like us, to make sure that it's not

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hateful or atlantical, slight terrorism or whatever. I mean, that's
the most extreme form you can think of where you
could say we're not going to deliver it. But it's
sort of for the post Is to actually be taking
a position on this is I think quite disturbing. I
think MLS will say, you know, mind your own business

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and the post thought it out.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
Yeah, fair point, All right, guys, we'll take a break,
come back and just a just a tack, actually a quarter.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
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Speaker 3 (58:44):
Back to the huddle. We have clear de lawd Journalist
Ali Jones read pr Claire. Do you think that that
Labour is going to be able to hold this line
on the oil and gas van all the way through
to the next election?

Speaker 6 (58:55):
Oh? Who knows. I mean, that's an argument that sort
of does my head. And really because we should have
a long term bipartisan, multi party agreement on something as
important as energy security, but we don't and we won't.
I think, you know, your interview with Chris Hopkins showed
that he's at the moment whethered to the very noble

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aspiration for us to be entirely sort of reliant on
only on renewables. But the reality is that that just
isn't possible in a short medium turn right now. So
I would say that if he was still in charge
going into the next election, and I doubt he would be,
that he would probably be ditching that position.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
I'd say so too, and I think Alli he has to.
He probably is going to be forced to ditch it
when we get our power bills renewed in April and
it goes up massively and we start to see for
ourselves how bad the situation is.

Speaker 28 (59:48):
What do you think, Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 27 (59:50):
That's so far ahead in the future. I completely agree
with what Claire is saying. And I heard Chris Hipkins
on with you earlier aheadther what a great pustle? Was
that fun?

Speaker 8 (01:00:00):
You know?

Speaker 27 (01:00:00):
I mean really no, it really did. It was really
good to listen to both of you, and you both
had really good things to say, and I think he
did hold his own. I think what's really frustrating here,
as Claire said, is that we do need to have,
you know, an approach where both parties will come together
on this. Our energy security is really important. I laughed
when I heard simmyon Brown talk about no wind and
no sun. He needs to come to Canterbury. I mean

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the coastline, the waves, the waves are still waving, Simeon,
and I think geothermal energy there are ways to do it,
but you're right clear in the short in the medium term,
we have few choices. And why do we have few
choices because the previous governments have not worked together to
secure the energy, our renewables in this country.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
It's such a shame, Claire, I mean, how do we
ever bridge these gaps though on things like energy or roads,
all these things that actually that the parties should reach
across and hold hands on. How do you bridge them?

Speaker 6 (01:00:56):
I just don't think. I just don't think we do.
We've got a terrible history of being able to look
at the longer term in this country. Look at the
terrible state of our infrastructure. I know I'm just saying
the obvious, but it is the obvious that we just
put things off for so long. But this is really
critically important. And even the aspiration, for example, to convert

(01:01:19):
a larger number of US to electric cars could not
possibly be fulfilled with the current you know available sort
of charging capacity. It's charging in storage capacity. There's so
many things we need to get right, and we need
many more engineers to make the stream come true, and
we don't have them. Where there's there's an educational angle

(01:01:40):
to it two, you know, bringing through those people and engineering.
I honestly think we're going to remain in country that
is a very short term, you know, sort of out
where we look out to the short term, because we
have a very very short electric cycle three years and
there we are this. You know, we'll be looking we'll
be a mid term where those electricity bills start coming

(01:02:03):
in in April, will be halfway through this electoral cycle,
and again you'll find the politicking we'll start all over
again too, right, Well.

Speaker 27 (01:02:10):
Can I just say to that quickly? We put solar
on our house where we had to rebuild it as
a failed EQC repair.

Speaker 23 (01:02:16):
Best thing we ever did.

Speaker 27 (01:02:18):
Our two bills of latest bills over winter have been
the same cost, or rather two bills in our old
house will have cost us what the entire year was
solar's cost. So you know there are ways to do this,
and we.

Speaker 28 (01:02:31):
Sell that the bread as well.

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
But yeah, so your power bill then last month.

Speaker 27 (01:02:35):
Well we were paying oh last month was one hundred
and ten dollars and we sold.

Speaker 28 (01:02:41):
Some back to the grid. When we were in the
old cold place it was five.

Speaker 27 (01:02:45):
Hundred bucks either, so you know it's saving a lot
of money.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
That is a lot of money. Okay, Hey, Claire, were
you disappointed to hear that the best one hit Wonder
of all time is Jenny Jenny.

Speaker 6 (01:02:56):
Yeah, I couldn't even think how it went. I had
a look at a list of them too, and the
only one that really struck me as being kind of
vaguely credible was Funky Town by Pseudo Eco. I don't
ever know that the band was called.

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
Often Wonder. Jeez, what about you, Ali, I mean, Jenny
Jenny sucks. So I feel like we should just scrap
it on the basis that nobody likes it and just
go for maniac is number one?

Speaker 27 (01:03:26):
Well I missed from miss Reader. I thought it was
Jean Jeannie and I don't know that wasn't a number one,
but it was brilliant. But yeah, funky Town was a great.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
I hate, I hate. I don't know what list you're
looking at, Cly, I hate to boost you bubble. It's
not even on the list. It's I'm a random list
you've looked.

Speaker 6 (01:03:44):
Up, Listen, I'm looking at a better list.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
I'm looking at Science list. Guys. Thank you both so
much appreciated as Ali Jones. I mean, it is a
good time, though, isn't it. You'd go you'd sit through
at least twelve of their crap songs at a concert
just for this one, wouldn't you? And in fact I
almost did, but I turned up too late, and then

(01:04:07):
I just saw Texas and that other band that annoyed me.
What was that band's name that annoyed me? Simple minds?
Hate them? Now Texas? How good? But I could have
seen these guys, and now I wish I did. Thank
you ants appreciate that. That's a huddle seven away from six.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in
your car on your drive home. Heather Dupless Allen Drive
with one New Zealand one giant leap for business News
talk as that be.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Heather, My Sharona is a great song. Do you know what? Actually,
My Sharona should probably be on this list. I feel
like it's been accidentally missed because the first song, being
My Sharona, had three hundred and eighty four million streams
on Spotify, and then the second song, Good Girls Don't
only had about six million songs. I might be doing
the maths wrong actually on this, but it feels to
me like a massive discrepancy, Like clearly the second song

(01:04:58):
is not got enough song to make it anything other
than wonder with a good song. Speaking of music, we've
only got one hour and five minutes to go, four
minutes to go now until we find out exactly what
Oaysis are up to. Now, what we want to know
is whether they are going to in fact do what
the rumors say they're going to do, which is reunite
for Glastonbury and a whole bunch of shows early next year.

(01:05:21):
I think the show what some of the shows are
supposed to be at Wembley, if not all of the shows.
But anyway, they're making this announcement at seven o'clock this
evening our time. And I'll tell you what hasn't changed
about Oasis is that Liam Gallagh is still an angry man,
isn't he, Because he's gone on social media. He's very angry,
very very angry because people say that Oasis are only
getting together because they're skint, and I haven't got enough

(01:05:42):
money anymore, so they need to make the dollars, so
he said. He went on the social media just making
sure that people are still coming to the shows, obviously
by chasing them all the way, said your attitude stinks
to them and stuff like that. Anyway, I can tell
you the real reason why they're getting back together is
not at all because they're broke. It's because Noel Gallih
has broken up with his wife. Because if you don't
know the story of Oasis, it's two brothers, right Neil

(01:06:05):
oh Noel and Liam and Nolan liamb have had this
mass of falling out. But the reason they've had a
falling out is because Noel married a bird that he
met at Ibetha and he got hooked up with her
back in the two thousands. She didn't like his brother Liam,
and so that was never gonna work, was it. And
he had to pick between the bird or the bro
and he picked the bird, bad choice, by the way.
And now that she's out of the picture, because they've

(01:06:26):
broken up with each other, he's allowed to see his
brother again. That's my theory anyway. But we'll find out
what's going on in an hour's time. Now ends with me.
The business that owns newstalk ZB and the Herald has
just reported and things are not going badly for them
at all. I mean, everybody's struggling in media but bucking
the trend big time. So we'll have a chat to
the CEO Boxy, and I'm gonna ask him about the

(01:06:48):
front page of The Herald and the Hobson's pledge ad.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
What's down, what were the major calls and how will
it affect the economy of the business. Questions on the business,
we've the duple c Allen and my hr on News
Talks V.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
Even in coming up in the next hour. The OECD
General Secretary General Brother is in town, so Brad Olsen
will talk us through what he's saying to us. Jamie
McKay has got some hot goss on Fonterra to share
and it sounds like the locals in Barcelona and not
loving the America's cup. I'll explain that to you. It's
eight past six now. Media Company ends at Me, which
owns Newstalk ZB and The Herald, has reported today it's
posted a small profit of one point nine million dollars

(01:07:29):
for the first half of the year. That's down four
point three on last year. Revenue is up, advertising as
holding steady, and that is despite the fact that the
media sector has had a pretty tough year so far.
We've had the shutting down of news Hub and TVNZ
cutting a whole bunch of programs. Michael Boggs is the
chief executive hiebog Zen.

Speaker 9 (01:07:44):
Good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
You must be pretty pleased with this result given what's
going on in the media sector.

Speaker 9 (01:07:48):
You're absolutely right. It is a very tough environment, I
think in every sector in New Zealand at the moment,
but certainly as in media, and we're seeing that right
around the market.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
How did you manage to hold onto the advertising dollar?
I mean you've seen it complete evaporate from TV, So
how did you guys keep it?

Speaker 9 (01:08:02):
I think the key thing is, and I'll take a
station like this, you know, we just don't go to
the market and talk about selling news talk ZB. We
sell the rest of the radio stations we have. We
bundle out obviously with the New Zealand Herald, and we're
seeing fantastic growth with one Roof, which is a real
key product for us for the future.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
But so why are they putting their money into print
and radio if they're not putting it into TV.

Speaker 9 (01:08:21):
Well, I think when we go and talk to a customer,
we talk about what's the solution they're looking for? What
are you trying to achieve. We don't just come and
try and sell you a TV ad. And so when
a customer wants to get to a particular audience set.
We actually sell across all of those platforms, which just
gives them a much better reach and a much better outcome.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
They're getting a bit of product.

Speaker 9 (01:08:38):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
Yeah. Okay, what do you think is going to happen
in the second half though, because it sounds like it
might get harder.

Speaker 9 (01:08:43):
Certainly is and we're seeing that already. So in the
quarter one of this year, so it's January March or
on a calendar year, we saw four percent growth year
on year, two percent in quarter two, and what we're
seeing in quarter three at the moment is about one
percent growth. Now, we are seeing some signs of improvement
though we're obviously seeing the ocr coming down. We're seeing
business and consumer confidence start to lift. So you know,
we'd love to see that actually flow through into people spending.

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
One percent growth given what we're going through, which I
mean some people in some parts the economy is saying
this is the hardest thing they've ever been through. One
percent growth is not bad.

Speaker 9 (01:09:15):
Well, the great news is one percent growth is against
the market because the market is actually going backwards from
an advertising perspective. So we're delighted to be taking share
across each of our platforms and we want to continue
doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
Hey, but so you'll rise, right, we've seen the turning
point where the ocr has now come down and a
whole bunch of bank rates are coming down. Do you
think it still gets hard as though, or does it
get easier?

Speaker 9 (01:09:36):
I think people's heads are starting to lift now. It's
certainly tough, and you know, your listeners are no way
better than I as they run their businesses, for example.
But I think you know, I had an old boss
that said hope isn't a strategy. But I think we're
all hoping for better. We're actually talking about it getting better.
We're saying business confidence is feeling better and that's all
we need to get the country going again.

Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
Okay, if hope it's not a strategy, then you're going
to have to still make plans for it potentially to
be worse. So you're going to cut six million out
yet in expenditure.

Speaker 9 (01:10:01):
We've already done that, So it's not something we're announcing
today that hey, we've got a whole lot of new
cost cutting to do. That's happened. It's done through efficiencies
across the business, and so we're pleased we've actually done
that at the beginning of this half already, and so
that'll flow into the second half of this year.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
How on earth am I right in thinking one roof
turn to profit for the first time?

Speaker 9 (01:10:18):
It absolutely did.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
How did it do that given what's going on in
the housing market.

Speaker 9 (01:10:21):
Well, we're doing a great job. Firstly, we're growing the
number of people that come to the site. We've closed
the gap to the number one player to be just
ten percent difference. Now we've got more and more. We've
got more and more people upgrading their houses on the platform,
and it's a great product. So people are using it
to inquire about houses, and people are using it to
sell the houses.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
So as it kind of counterintuitively, when the market is
actually doing really, really badly, people are pumping a lot
of money into the advertising for their houses.

Speaker 9 (01:10:45):
Funny enough, it's actually the opposite. So we're really pleased
to have done well in a tough environment. Because if
you don't think you're going to sell the hell your house,
you're probably not going to advertise, even though you probably should. Yeah,
but where if you think you are going to sell
your house, you will spend some more on advertising because
you want to get the price. So that's what we're
looking for in the second half of this year and
into next year.

Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
Okay, So on what's going on with the media. Are
you happy with what you've got from the government in
terms of the Digital Marketing Bill and or Digital Bargain
Bell and all that stuff.

Speaker 9 (01:11:12):
Well, certainly making progress and we expect to see more
of that in the coming weeks. All the noises and
signals are appropriate and I look forward to seeing me
it will come.

Speaker 3 (01:11:21):
Sure boggsy that it's the answer, because it hasn't worked
in Canada.

Speaker 9 (01:11:24):
Well, it's not going to be the panacea. But we
do know that all of the platforms, whether it be Google, Facebook,
or whether it be all the new AAI organizations are
taking a content and not paying it for us.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
This doesn't cover AI, does it may do what? Well
do you know that? I don't know.

Speaker 9 (01:11:39):
Well, we'll see what the legislation says. We'll see.

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
How are you guys still lobbying for the old AI
to be covered?

Speaker 9 (01:11:44):
Well, why shouldn't it be? Does check GPT take all
of our data?

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
Well, I would argue with you that the AI should
be covered, actually more so than anything else. Yeah, so
it feels like it should be but that doesn't mean
that that the guys in the behive necessarily see it
that way.

Speaker 9 (01:11:57):
Well, if I ask check GPT where it gets its
common from last time I did it, it said between ten
and fourteen percent of it came from the New Zealand Herald.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
Was it honest about it?

Speaker 29 (01:12:06):
Was it?

Speaker 9 (01:12:06):
That's what I said?

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
Okay, Well that's a slam dunk, isn't it.

Speaker 9 (01:12:10):
I think it is. And so that's where we're continuing
to focus on. It should be included and we should
be paid for that content being used for these companies
to earn income.

Speaker 3 (01:12:17):
Right, Boxy, what happened with the ad the Hobson's Pledge ad?

Speaker 9 (01:12:20):
Hey, as you know, it was an ad. It's not
something that the company stands up and takes a position on.
We're absolutely reviewing guidelines. We're looking at what other companies
around the world do and so, and they're not too
distant future, you'll see us come out and talk about whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
Are you guys going to front foot and tell us
if there's a change of position on this one.

Speaker 9 (01:12:38):
Absolutely, we're very clear on what we will do in
the future and be clear on it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
So what I didn't understand was it was kind of
obvious that a position needed to be taken on it
during the election campaign because you remember, you will remember
the c to you the Union took out a personal
attack on Chris Luxon, who's now obviously the Prime minister,
and that made a lot of people really angry. Why
at that point didn't you guys make a decision and
say this kind of add because he doesn't happen on
the front page.

Speaker 9 (01:13:04):
And so I think that's a really good point and
something again that will review as part of these guidelines. Again, clearly,
they're not ads that we're saying. This is a position
we take as an organization. There's lots of arguments around
freedom of speech, but there's also and a lot of
other arguments around making sure that you know we're not
offending people. I've had plenty of subscriber feedback. I've had
plenty of advertiser feedback in both directions.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
Are really absolutely okay. Have you lost any subscribers over it?

Speaker 9 (01:13:29):
We absolutely have.

Speaker 3 (01:13:30):
Both both accounts, yep. And have you lost any advertisers
over it?

Speaker 9 (01:13:34):
Absolutely? Really quite a lot, not significant, but people have
sent us messages to let us know that they've got an.

Speaker 3 (01:13:40):
Opinion and they're not happy, and so they've pulled out.

Speaker 10 (01:13:42):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
How much damagees it cost you?

Speaker 9 (01:13:44):
It's not significant, but it's certainly something worth taking into account.
We're a corporate organization. We've got to do what's right
for this business.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
Okay, so when do you make a call, it won't
be far away, all right, Listen, Boggsy, thank you very
much for being so frank with us. I really appreciates.
Michael Bogg's the chief executive of enzed ME fourteen past six.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
It's Heather Dup to see Ellen with the business hours
thanks to my HR, the HR platform for SME on talkb.

Speaker 3 (01:14:12):
Apparently, the locals, as I was telling you not long
ago and Barcelona not loving having the America's Cup there.
Some of them have been, I mean, there have been
like protests that happened last month. Thousands of them took
the streets that were squirting tourists with water garns. Some
at the moment are wearing t shirts that say foreign
tourists go home, you're destroying our neighborhood. No America's Cup.
Apparently what they're fed up about is the tourism pushing

(01:14:33):
up the price of accommodation and putting pressure on the
city services. Megan Singleton is a travel blogger. She's going
to be with us after half bus six explained because
Grunt Dalton's argument is it's not us that are the problem,
all the sailors, it's the Poms who come over and
get absolutely what's a nice word hammered, Yeah, thank you
ants so I appreciate that, hammered, lit sozzled, And then

(01:14:56):
they do a chunda under the bridge and then they
go back. Those are the ones they don't like. So anyway,
we'll get her take on what's actually going on as
eighteen past six now trades on the agenda in Wellington tonight,
the OECD's Secretary General is in town for his first
official visit to New Zealand, and Brad Olson, Infimetric's principal economist.

Speaker 4 (01:15:12):
Is there.

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
Hey, Brad, good evening. So what's the message that he's delivering.

Speaker 11 (01:15:18):
I think you're just a sort of a complicated messaging
that we've been hearing a lot the last year or so.

Speaker 4 (01:15:24):
Where look, New Zealand is trying to grow our trade.

Speaker 11 (01:15:26):
The governments, of course set that expectation to double the
value of trade over the next decade. But at the
same time we're all navigating those difficult international conversations. There's
a lot more geopolitical risk and challenge out there, and
so you know, we're working through all of that. But
I think as well, it was quite interesting to hear
from the Secretary General that focus that is coming through
a lot at the moment on economic growth. We know

(01:15:49):
that the rest of the world is still sort of
struggling through those high inflation, high interest rate times, but
the area of Southeast Asia was singled out as a
real growth area at the moment, and of course that's
somewhere where New Zealand has a lot more focus in
recent times. So encouraging to see that sort of profile
and spotlight on our part of the world.

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
We apparently want to double trade in the next ten years.
Well not apparently, we do want to double trade in
the next ten years. Two way trade between ourselves and
thirty eight OECD nations is something like fifty billion dollars.
How much more can we push that up?

Speaker 11 (01:16:20):
Well, and I think that's sort of a really interesting
question as we look through over time because and what
I was a little bit struck by was.

Speaker 4 (01:16:26):
That we heard from the Secretary General that New Zealand has.

Speaker 11 (01:16:29):
Done extra ordinary well, you know, promoting our products and
similar on the global stage. And so I think it's
one of those areas where when we're thinking about the future,
is it the same sort of products that we've always
been providing out or actually the brand new products that
we can think of into the future. And I think
it's that area that sort of you know, dreaming up newer, bigger,
shinier stuff that we've got to be focused on.

Speaker 15 (01:16:51):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:16:51):
The Prime Minister is off to Malaysia and I think
it's South Korea next week. I mean, do you think
these are important trade trips?

Speaker 4 (01:16:59):
I think it's sort of critical.

Speaker 11 (01:17:00):
I mean here we're you know, Lila on New Zealand
team of five million and the team of eight billion globally.
You know, we don't necessarily register on everyone's scale each
and every day.

Speaker 4 (01:17:10):
So by being able to get out there, I think, you.

Speaker 11 (01:17:12):
Know, we do actually sort of promote our sales up
the border bit more. I have sort of been you know,
quite encouraged by the fact that you know, you have
seen government ministers out across the world.

Speaker 4 (01:17:21):
There's been a lot of international trips.

Speaker 11 (01:17:23):
We've seen the Prime Minister already, you know, often in
Japan and similar earlier this year. You know, we've had
the Trade Minister out across the world. In fact, there
was a stop last year. I don't think he literally slept.
He slept only on planes rather than booking a hotel room.
So all of this is encouraging. We of course had
the UN Sectorary General here last week, the OECD Sectary
General here at the moment, like it does feel like

(01:17:44):
there is a real international focus coming from New Zealand
at the moment, and I am encouraged because that's the
way we're going to have to make connections. We're going
to have to trade with those connections, and the way
you do that is by pressing the flesh and getting
in front of people.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
But it's good to talk to you, mate, Go and
enjoy the evening. That's Brad Olson, Infametric's principle economists. By
the way, Tasty Cheese Mainland Tasty Cheese has finally broken
the twenty buck barrier. Is this the first time? I
feel like it is. I could be wrong, but I
feel like we've been talking about this for the longest time,
and finally we've just got there and we're paying around
twenty bucks in Patni at one of the supermarkets just there.

(01:18:17):
It is no nineteen ninety nine, none of this nineteen
ninety five nonsense. They've just been straight up with your
twenty bucks. Give us a twenty There you go. We'll
have a chat to Jamie mchaiy next six to twenty one.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
The Rural Report on hither do for see allan.

Speaker 3 (01:18:33):
Drive Jamie mckaye hosts of the Countries with us a
Jamie Goody. Hear that, hear You've got a hot take
on the price of butter and on cheese, because Laura,
the producer was saying to me she was gutted. She
went to New World the other day and it was
ten bucks for what was it, anchor an anchor butter.
That's a lot.

Speaker 10 (01:18:51):
Well, I'd just said to produce a Laura, get used
to it. Unfortunately, because the price of international dairy commodities,
this is going up. We're just surely as night Fellow's day,
the price of butter and cheese and the supermarkets is
likely to go up. And I was watching the story
on one of the network news programs about twenty dollars

(01:19:12):
for a block of cheese. Laura's saying ten bucks for
a block of butter. And the bizarre thing about all
this feat there is I'm here also hearing there's like
a butter shortage in this country, which is absolutely yeah, apparently. Well,
I couldn't believe it a couple of weeks ago when
they said there was a shortage of beef and lamb.
You know, we grow the stuff, we export it. We

(01:19:34):
seem to have a shortage of it domestically. But yep,
just on the subject of cheese, it'll go up because farm, well,
international commodity prices are going up, So go stock up
on butter and cheese.

Speaker 3 (01:19:48):
Now do you buy when you go to the supermarket
do you buy the Anchor or do you buy the
West Gold? Because I find the Anchor is a little
bit funky tasting and I prefer I prefer the bougie
West Gold.

Speaker 10 (01:19:58):
I buy a six pack of m since Pelsener at
the supermarket.

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
You don't need better than if you're eating there.

Speaker 10 (01:20:03):
I don't need that. There's a there's a steak in
every bottle.

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
Heather, Hey, what are you hearing about fonterra?

Speaker 15 (01:20:11):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (01:20:11):
Nothing, Well, I mean I'm hearing that there's going to
be an announcement tomorrow, I just wonder what the hell
it is, because, of course, they came out very recently,
in fact, last Friday, it's top of my head, and
announced a fifty percent increase in the milk forecast price.
I doubt, in fact, would be totally sure. They're not
going to come out tomorrow and announce another rise in

(01:20:33):
the milk forecast price. Although they moved from eight dollars
to eight fifty, the futures market is at eight eighty.
This is for the season we're in. And I think
nz X came out late late last week and we're
predicting nine dollars twenty And I harked back to what
I said before, that's why the price of dairy commodities
domestically are probably going to go up. But there is

(01:20:55):
something coming from Fonterra tomorrow, Heather, I.

Speaker 14 (01:20:57):
Don't know what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
I can't wait. I can't wait a Fonterra announcement's so
important to the country. Thank you, Jamie really appreciated Jamie Mackay,
Host of the Country. I made it sound like, by
the way, West gold is more expensive than mainland, but
it blows my mind. It's not like I was looking
at the supermarket prices just now and bearing in mind
that it's going to change, you know wherever it is
that you're shopping. But West Gold from where I can see,

(01:21:21):
and this quite nice butter by the way, seven dollars
forty at Woolworths. And what were you pay was ten
dollars ten dollars for the old anchor, Like why are
you eating anchor for ten dollars when you can pay
seven dollars forty for Wes's gold. You could tell yourself
it's flashy, because frankly it is. Anyway, Hither, I just
got back from five days in Barcelona. No problem for us.

(01:21:41):
They love Australia and New Zealand. The problem is the
accommodation that's taken up by the euro tourists as holiday homes. Sherl,
thank you for that. Megan's going to talk us through
it shortly. Also, don't know if you've been keeping an
eye on what's going on with the Beam e scooters,
but Auckland Council has just canceled the license they have
until midnight and they have to get all of the
beam scooters off the roads so the beam ones. Are
they the purple ones? I think they might be. They're

(01:22:04):
gone off the roads in Auckland because they only had
permission for twelve hundred scooters. They put fifteen hundred on
the roads. They broke the rules. Been doing it in
various other councils as well. So that's what happens. And
they've been referred to the cops. That's what happens.

Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
Headline's next, whether it's macro, MicroB or just plain economics,
it's all on The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen
and my HR, the HR platform for sme US talks B.

Speaker 3 (01:22:34):
You know, I worry when boomers start going hard on
social media. It's just not their natural habitat. However, Wayne
Brown is going hard on social media and it's actually
a good time. I'll run you through the details very shortly,

(01:22:55):
getting a lot of texts saying hey, listen, here's the
difference between the pricing of the west Gold butter and
the Anchor butter. The Anchor butter is five hundred grams
and the west Gold is four hundred grams. I did
the maths for you. It still works out cheaper because
it's seven dollars forty. If you were to increase it
to five hundred grams, you'd still be paying nine dollars
twenty five. That's still cheaper than the ten dollars you're

(01:23:15):
going to pay for the anchor ants. Why have you
got your cans on? I thought you were going to
say something about have you got an opinion on the butter?

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
Though? No?

Speaker 29 (01:23:24):
I was lucky enough and that I helped a couple
of my neighbors move out recently and they let me
have the pick of their fridge. So I haven't paid
for my butter in.

Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
A little while.

Speaker 3 (01:23:31):
How much butter do they haven't they?

Speaker 14 (01:23:32):
Oh?

Speaker 29 (01:23:32):
They had at least two good blocks.

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
Fantastic, Okay, yeap, lucky?

Speaker 29 (01:23:37):
Sorry, how the other half live?

Speaker 3 (01:23:38):
I guess not at all what we were expecting as
a contribution to this particular discussion. But I mean, that's
quite a nice thing to do. You help, you See,
this is what happens when you're a nice I did
it for free.

Speaker 29 (01:23:47):
I got some butter out of it, few cans.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
But did you know that, like when you offered to help,
did you know you were going to get butter?

Speaker 16 (01:23:53):
No?

Speaker 29 (01:23:53):
I guessed I made an educated.

Speaker 3 (01:23:55):
Guess yes, good from you. Twenty four away from seven now,
tourists arriving in Barcelona, as I was telling you earlier
for the America's Cup A receiving a hostile welcome as
the city grapples with overcrowding and mass tourism. Locals have
been seen wearing anti America's Cup merchandise and they're planning
a series of demonstrations about this next week. Now. Megan
Singleton is a travel writer from Blogger at Large and

(01:24:17):
is with us. Now, Hey, Megan, hi, here, this is
not this is not just a Barcelona thing. Is that
this is across Europe that they're feeling quite hostile towards tourists.

Speaker 12 (01:24:27):
I know, it's and it's weird, isn't it was? Because
if you take Barcelona, don't forget that the mayor was
just saying how when they won the pitch, how fantastic
it was going to be for Barcelona to have all
these tourists in this great, big event, and then everyone
arrives and go to faith. You would imagine and hello,
they're all being a bit of me.

Speaker 7 (01:24:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:24:49):
It's a bit strange, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
They have a fair point, though, I mean, if you
were to completely see it just from their perspective. They've
got a point, haven't they, That all these people come
in for a lark, drive up the prices and they
can't enjoy it themselves.

Speaker 12 (01:25:03):
And it's not even just a lark. So I've tried
to do a bit of Google research. Well I'm not
as good as ants. What I have discovered is each
team has all of its crew and families and they
have put multiple apartments for multiple months to live there
and get all these you know, just even shipping over
of all the boats are putting together, of the boats

(01:25:25):
all the ancillary teams. I did see that there were
three hundred Emirates flights booked just for Team New Zealand
to get there, so you know, extrapolate that out to
all six teams and that's a lot of crew and
families living in apartments in Barcelona. And yes, then you've
got the tourists that are coming over to watch it
and that are taking all the airbnbs. So that is

(01:25:47):
why the locals are finding their accommodation prices are going
sky high that there's no reas for them to stay.

Speaker 3 (01:25:53):
Is there a thing going on at the moment where
we are particularly interested in going to Europe.

Speaker 12 (01:25:58):
Well, another thing that was very interesting was that Paris
was down on this time last year in tourist numbers,
and so they did not get the bang for their
bucket they were promised that they would get. And then
I also discovered that in the last Summer Olympics, London,
as Atlanta all saw a decrease in tourism when they
hosted the summer Games. So that you fork out all

(01:26:20):
this big money for your city and you hope that
it's going to, you know, increase their tourism, and you've
got Airbnb's going on special, hotels discounting their rates, and
in restaurants trying to do too well.

Speaker 3 (01:26:31):
And what do you put that down to is that
just because people look at it and go that's a
massive event, it's going to be an absolute cluster. I'm
not going.

Speaker 12 (01:26:37):
Exactly little to airlines are saying they took a massive hit.
Americans just thought that we're not going to Paris and
so they were hugely down on this time last year.

Speaker 3 (01:26:46):
You ever been to the Olympic Games.

Speaker 12 (01:26:49):
No, but I've had friends that were there this year
and they were just filling their Facebook feed with all
of their shots they were in the athletics that they
were just that every athletics event and it was made
watching it vicariously that was my life.

Speaker 3 (01:27:03):
And so what did they say, was it a cluster
or was it actually awesome?

Speaker 12 (01:27:07):
No, they thought it was awesome. But then they were
staying somewhere and they were going to the events, and
they were going to every single event, and then they
would go out and do stuff in the evening. But
I think if you had a little restaurant, not perhaps
right around although Stay de France is not in a
great area of Paris, and they have seen enormous increase
in well building infrastructure, lots more police, lots more people

(01:27:32):
keeping it tidy, and they've loved it and their businesses
have really thrived. But that was literally right around the stadium.
I think the rest of the places in Paris saw
a decrease.

Speaker 3 (01:27:42):
Fascinating stuff. Meghan, thank you for talking us through that.
Really appreciated what a great job you've got, Megan Singleton,
blogger at.

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
Large either duper Cy Ellen.

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
This is one of the weirdest stories that you're going
to hear probably today, because there's a lot of weird
stuff going on in here that like that none of
us really have an hour lives. Okay, do you remember
the farmer bro Martin shre Kelly. I think this is
how you pronounced his name. Do you remember him. Everybody
hated it because he became famous because he tried to
raise the price of a live saving drug, remember astronomically

(01:28:13):
to make heaps of money. And he was like, who
cares if people are sick and needing this drug, I'm
just going to make maximum amount a dollar out of it.
He is in trouble with the law in the States
at the moment for sharing copies of the Wu Tan
Clans album Once Upon a Time in Sharlin, which has
never been released. Now. The story here with this album
is that Wu Tang Clan made this over about six

(01:28:36):
years and then finally released it in twenty fifteen, but
never actually released it to the public, so none of
us have heard it. Right, the album's there, it's like
thirty one tracks or something like that. None of us
had ever heard it because all they did was they
put one copy up for auction in twenty fifteen on
the strict condition that whoever buys it cannot release it publicly,
because it was a statement that they were making about

(01:28:57):
contemporary art, and they wanted to be part of contemporary
Now Oldbro Farmer Bro bought the album for twelve million
bucks back in twenty fifteen. This is US money. But
then he got in trouble with the law for securities fraud,
for lying to investors in cheating them out of millions
of dollars and stuff like that, and he had to
forfeit the album because it was obviously so valuable. And

(01:29:17):
then the album was bought by a weird cryptocurrency collective
called something like Please a Daho. I don't really know
how to pronounce it, but I think that's how you
say this particularly weird name that they've given themselves. They
paid four point seventy five million US for US has
gone up in value by this stage. Now Please Adao
has a problem with Martin Kelly because they reckon. He

(01:29:39):
still got copies and he's sharing them. There wasn't just
one copy, after all, the little creep has gone and
burned them and he's sharing them with his mates or
possibly selling them. So a judge in New York has
said that he must produce all copies of this album
and he must report the names of anyone that he's
distributed the music to and he's got until the end
of next month, end of September, and to also give

(01:30:00):
any money that he's made from it. Weird, isn't it.
Eighteen Away from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
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Speaker 3 (01:30:14):
US talk to B and A Brady Ow UK correspondents
with ME now into Hello.

Speaker 14 (01:30:20):
Hey, Heather, great to speak to you again.

Speaker 3 (01:30:22):
Hey, it's fifteen minutes and we're going to find out
what Oasis are up to. What do you reckon they're
up to?

Speaker 14 (01:30:28):
I'm on the website right now. I mean, I'm just
I'm looking at I'm away, I'm as anxious. I'm a
huge fan, absolutely huge fan of Oasis. I love their music.
They're from an Irish family and they're genuine characters. I mean,
you just don't seem to have people like Gleam and
Noel Gallagher in world music anywhere. Certainly I don't see

(01:30:48):
them and this is going to be huge. I mean,
if this turns out that they are getting back together.
There's rumors of ten Nights Book at Wembley next year.
Which would break Taylor Swift's record sheet set of eight.
There's rumors of a headline gig at Glastonbury Festival. It's
going to be the event in Europe of twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (01:31:08):
What are you doing sitting on the website it so
you can buy tickets immediately or something like that.

Speaker 14 (01:31:13):
Something's gonna happen in let me work it out fifteen precisely,
fifteen minutes. Yeah, I mean, look, it's it's huge, and
if you're not a fan, that doesn't mean anything to you.
But this was the defining music of the nineties really
for a lot of people and everyone who followed the band.
The rouse, the sibling rivalry, the physical violence between them,

(01:31:34):
all the nasty interviews they've said about each other. I mean,
it's just the next chapter. It's such a rock and
roll thing, and the part of me is a little
bit kind of cynical thinking this is all being driven
by Noel's recent divorce, yeah, and the payment to his
ex wife. But happening.

Speaker 3 (01:31:49):
I mean, I just thought it was that Bird didn't
like Liam and she was getting in the way, and
now that she's out of the way, they can actually
have a brotherly relationship.

Speaker 14 (01:31:58):
That's a good take. Look, I think the woman always
gets blamed when bands break up, whether it's the Beatles
or Oasis. But let's see. I think it's just going
to be seismic and it would give, certainly the whole
of the UK a big lift of people have something
to really look forward to next summer. But because they
just tore it up, they broke all the record books.
They made amazing music. I drove into London this morning

(01:32:21):
and I put on Definitely Maybe It's thirty years old
that album and it still gets you going. I mean,
I was just buzzing and it's just going to be
so exciting. My only fear is can they actually be
in each other's company for ten nights on the spin
without something going wrong?

Speaker 3 (01:32:38):
This is true, This is true. You ever met them,
by the way, I've.

Speaker 14 (01:32:43):
Mett All a few times, and this sounds like a
really kind of not so humble brag. He's a huge
fan of my work, which I was not aware of
until he came up to me. Not a word of
a lie. He came up to me at Heathrow Airport
one day and he explained that them he spends a
lot of time in hotels, for his music, for his work,
and he listens to a lot of news and he

(01:33:05):
just randomly started. This was years and years ago, and
I was hugely humbled, and there was people watching in
the queue as he throw airport security, and he was
asking me where I was going and what I was
reporting on next, and did he keep listening. We shook hands,
got a picture, and then I met him again. He
came into Sky one day and I had a lot

(01:33:27):
of footballs in the car. It's quite a funny story.
I run a lot of marathons, as you know, for
breast cancer charities, and when I saw Noel, I realized
I had a bag of soccer balls in the boot
of my car, and I asked him, I said, would
you mind signing a few footballs for me, just for
the cancer charity. And he came over to my car
and he was brilliant and he signed them all. And
it was really funny because the first ball he picked up,

(01:33:48):
I'd had an autographed by Paul Merson, who used to
play for Arsenal, and he misread the autograph and he said,
oh my god, you got Paul Weller on this. And
I didn't have the heart to tell him that it
was Paul Merson soccer player and not Paul Weller the musician,
and he said, oh, he said, I've got to sign
all these if Weller has done it for you. So
the end result was I got a load of soccer
ball sign They raised tens of thousands of dollars. They're

(01:34:12):
really good guys. I don't know Lim at all, but
anytime I've run into Knowl he has just been brilliant.

Speaker 3 (01:34:17):
Right, what's the best tuned you reckon?

Speaker 14 (01:34:21):
Oh, Morning Glory? What's the story Morning Glory? I'll love
Wonderwall master Plan. I mean, they're just so many hits.
The album is a classic, and I wish them well genuinely.
I just think they're such characters, and certainly the fact
that they're of Irish stock and when they go home
to where their parents are from in the West of Ireland,
they sit, they drink ginness, they play the guitar in

(01:34:43):
the local pub and nobody bothers them. And that makes
me really proud to be Irish that global rock stars
can go and sit in a pub in County Mayo,
have a sing song in a session and people basically
leave them alone, because ultimately they're Peggy's kids who've come
home that cool.

Speaker 3 (01:35:00):
I really appreciate you end up sharing my enthusiasm for it.
I feel like you're the first person I've actually run
into all day who's here for this end of Brady
our UK correspondent. I was trying to I mean, I
feel like it's hard to pick the best Oasis song,
isn't it? Because He's right, there's just an album full
of bangers. But I feel like Roll with It is
the one that you know that you got a roll

(01:35:22):
That's the one that gets stuck in my head all
the time. So I'm going to go with that one
just for the sake of it, just for the sake
of having to pick something right on the spot. Wayne Brown, Now,
as I was telling you, do worry about the old
boomers getting into the social media. But Wayne Brown is
nailing this. At the moment, he's done, he's doing his podcast.
We've loved that, and now he's hit the Twitter with
a video. He's giving himself congratulations quite rightly, quite rightly

(01:35:44):
for doing the very thing that Chris Luxon said last
week that the councils need to do, which just to
stop wasting money rate rises.

Speaker 1 (01:35:51):
There are royal pain in the pulm.

Speaker 20 (01:35:53):
Nobody likes to getting the rate letter in the post
telling you to hand over a more carrot for the
same student.

Speaker 3 (01:35:59):
At which point he throws a carrot in a pot.
But there's more.

Speaker 20 (01:36:05):
We've got two options. We either make savings or we
put up your rates. So far we've managed to find
eighty three million dollars of savings. But it's no coincidence
that we've delivered the last rate rise of any metropolitan
center in the country. Let's face it, things could be worse.

Speaker 3 (01:36:23):
And at the point man man man utter my own heart.
At the point where he says, let's face that things
could be worse, he points at Wellington, where the rates
rises as sixteen point nine percent. But do not be
fooled by that. But that, by the way, that's that's
compared to his six point eight percent. Do not be
fooled by that, because the Wellington Regional Council's rates rises

(01:36:44):
are twenty percent twenty point five. So sometimes it works
out just the way that it works out works out
at way above sixteen point nine percent for some people.

Speaker 20 (01:36:53):
So my message to council is clear, stop wasting money.

Speaker 1 (01:36:58):
Please.

Speaker 3 (01:37:03):
Yeah, I would take them. Seriously. There's a lot of
sound of guns being cocked in the background of that video.

Speaker 29 (01:37:07):
It sounds like he's about to say it's not his
first for a day area.

Speaker 3 (01:37:10):
And thank you for raising this because I feel like
it's the same people who made the Winston video have
also made this video.

Speaker 29 (01:37:17):
Oh and do you think they were behind the Shane
Jones karaokes we got during the election as well?

Speaker 3 (01:37:20):
No, I think that was just that was somebody got
drunken to that because there was no way anybody self respond.

Speaker 1 (01:37:25):
That's a relief.

Speaker 3 (01:37:26):
No self respecting person would own that age away from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:37:29):
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Speaker 1 (01:37:44):
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Speaker 3 (01:37:52):
Hey good News. Started the program with the power situation.
We'll end the program with the power situation. The weather
across the country in the last few days has been
a bit yeah, but also has had a silver lining,
which is that the Hydra lakes are a little more
full than they were before. They haven't said by how much,
but Lake Poohkucky is up just a few inches. But
these things make a difference. And Lake Manaputi is now

(01:38:15):
above average for the first time since mid June. And
we've got more rain coming so it should get even
better than that. Gone there, NaN's.

Speaker 29 (01:38:22):
Roll with it by Oasis to play us out tonight, since,
as you identified in the last voice break, it is
your favorite Oasis song. And we how have what four
and a half minutes until Noel and Liam Dellagher announced
something on a website called oasisnap dot next or something
like that oasisnet dot com. Anyway, don't worry about going
to the website because Lockee on the news from the
news desk. He's refreshing it furiously and so that news

(01:38:45):
will be useful.

Speaker 3 (01:38:47):
This is how big they are, right, We've got how
old is Locke? He's I mean he's about like twenty.

Speaker 29 (01:38:52):
Yeah about that thing?

Speaker 3 (01:38:53):
Know who they are?

Speaker 29 (01:38:54):
I'm sure Locke knows who Oasis is.

Speaker 3 (01:38:56):
Do you think so?

Speaker 29 (01:38:57):
Lockey seems like the sort of person who has either
played when Wall at a house party in his time
or heard someone else do.

Speaker 3 (01:39:02):
It, okay, because I never cease to be amazed at
how old I am nowadays and how things have changed.

Speaker 29 (01:39:07):
I don't know if he's going to get the ticket
and go with you to the concert, but he will
definitely update everyone for the news.

Speaker 3 (01:39:12):
Good from Lockie, Good from Lockie. This had better not
be a fizzer. I swear to God. If they don't
announce something spectacular, I'm just going to be furious, and
that I'm just going to be furious. That's all, just quietly,
and then I'll listen to one of the albums and
probably settle right down because I'll be joined by other
furious people, which is them making music. Anyway, here we go,
three and a half minutes in counting, See you tomorrow,

(01:39:48):
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Speaker 2 (01:40:47):
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