Full Show Podcast: 27 August 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
duplicy Ellen drive with One New Zealand to coverage like
no one else News doorgs heavy.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Panod Welcome to the show. Coming up today, We've got
that supermarket announcement. It's actually not bad. How good's that?
Nikola Willis is with us after five the gender pay
gap has dropped three percent. Brad Olson on why You're
not Gonna Love It? And Auckland Transport has spent sixty
three million dollars on road cones and traffic management in
one year. We'll speak to Morris Williamson about it.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Good.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Heather duplic Ellen honestly didn't think that the government had
the cojones to do this. So I am heartened by
the news that there is a chance that a bunch
of ministries face The chop word is that the Ministry
for Women, the Ministry for Pacific Peoples, and the Ministry
for Disabled People are going to be absorbed into larger ministries. Now,
obviously I would much prefer that they cease to exist
altogether rather than just get moved into a bigger organization.

(00:56):
But maybe maybe fingers crossed, Maybe it's a two move attack.
You absorb first and then you squeeze out of existence next.
We do not need these ministries. Let's have a look
at the women's ministry as an example.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
You could say that all the way back in nineteen
forty nine, when there was a Minister for the Welfare
of Women and Children, that there was a real case
for needing dedicated help for women. Given how economically dependent
women were on their husbands, and often the husbands were
warscarred and sometimes completely unreliable, there was a need for
women to have actual help. Now, though women are more

(01:29):
often than not economically dependent on their husbands, or at
least if they wanted to be independent, they could choose
to be independent, sometimes not that rare anymore. Women actually
earn more than their husbands. They are able to get
university educations, which they do. They can take out mortgages
in their own name, which they do. They can own
their own businesses, which they do. What that's done is

(01:51):
it's left the ministry for women busying itself with actually
quite marginal stuff or stuff that doesn't actually directly afflict
affect our lives. They put out press releases doing things
like that, celebrating Women's Day, marking the fifth Yearena, role
of gender equal gender representation on public sector boards, worrying
about tampons and schools. I have never had the ministry

(02:11):
give me anything as a woman, ask me anything as
a woman, or interact with my life at all as
a woman woman. So scrap it. It's completely wasted money.
And it is estimated that acting it and all the
other demographic ministries would save US two point four billion
dollars between now and twenty twenty eight. Apparently that works
out at twelve hundred dollars for each household in this country.

(02:33):
Now here's a question for you. Would you pay twelve
hundred dollars to keep these ministries going for the next
three years? No, me neither, which means the moves that
are apparently a foot to cut them are great news.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Heaver, dup, See.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Allen, it's happening. God, it happened, though, Am I right? Thanking?

Speaker 3 (02:56):
It's God?

Speaker 2 (02:57):
If it happened. We'll talk of it, because I just
who wanted to say around wondering when it was going
to happen. We'll talk about that later anyway. Nine two
ninety two is the text number. Now consumer has revealed
that insurance is the household bill that's gone up the
most in the past twenty five years. Get a load
of this. Insurance costs have gone up on average more
than nine hundred percent since the year two thousand. Basically,

(03:18):
everything is obviously more expensive than it was in two thousand,
but nine hundred percent is a massive jump. I mean,
the increase for ciggies over that period is about six
hundred percent. Chris Fafoy is Insurance Council Chief Executive and
with us now.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
Hey Farth, hey, they hell are you?

Speaker 2 (03:32):
I'm very well, thank you. So why has it got
so much more expensive? Is it that there is a
legitimate reason or are you guys being greedy.

Speaker 5 (03:38):
It's been a pretty busy quarter of a century out
of that period of time here, so you know, we've
had christ Church, We've had co Coda. More recently, we've
had the North Island with the events of Auckland floods
and Psyco and Gabrielle, all of those pretty major events,
billion dollar events. And as a Reserve bank said last May,
when they track these things, when these big events happen,

(04:01):
you usually see an increase in and reinsurance costs and
insurance premiums, and obviously we've you know, inflation affects us too.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
When it costs more.

Speaker 5 (04:13):
For building costs than kind of rebuilding a house ends
up being more expensive. So they have come off the
heat a little bit in the short term, and hopefully,
because we obviously know that people are getting the pinch
at the moment, hopefully we'll say some softening of those increases.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Does that mean it's going to get less expensive or
just stop stop growing at the rate it is?

Speaker 4 (04:36):
Its sertainly stoped growing up the right it is.

Speaker 5 (04:37):
I think the mouse steps that came out showed that
inflation is coming back.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
I understand the natural disaster stuff and that's fair enough,
but what about car Car insurance increases and medical insurance increases.

Speaker 5 (04:49):
Well, we don't look after medical. That's that's another outfit.
But you know, car insurance is a good example where
it has come off the heat. Heather to the year
of March of this year, inflation around cars was about
close to eight percent. It's kind of backed off in
June to close to two percent. So as I said,
we're starting to see things soften up.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
So apparently about seventeen percent of people in one year
said they got rid of insurance because it was just
too expensive. Is there a point at which you guys
acknowledge that the prices cannot keep going up or we
will all start bailing out.

Speaker 6 (05:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (05:22):
Look, I've questioned that number from consumersis ill. I know
I've done their survey, but that's not what our tracking
that we've been doing for some time has been showing,
especially around house insurance, things like house and contents assurance
have been a challenge and I think that's been the
way that people.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
Have tried to pull back.

Speaker 5 (05:39):
But we're weary of insurance premiums being a challenge for
everyone at the moment, Gaven the cost of living challenges
and again to Consumer New Zealand's points, which we agree
on substantively. The longer term challenge around reducing risk for
New Zealand has to happen to protect people from flooding

(05:59):
the you know your listeners would have experienced a couple
of years ago. If we don't do something about that,
then yes, you are right, insurance will become a challenge.
We've been talking to the government for some time about
how do we make sure that we are building better protections.
Having some hard discussions how do we fund these things?
Because we can have reduced the impact of things like
floods like we saw a couple of years ago, then

(06:20):
we'll be able to keep insurance accessible for New Zealanders.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, did you hear? You might have seen this yesterday.
We talked about it on the show. Belinda Story, who
does a lot of research. Economist who does a lot
of research around climate risk and stuff, reckons that houses
near water or with water views are about thirty to
forty percent overpriced. What do you think.

Speaker 4 (06:38):
Look, I haven't seen that research.

Speaker 5 (06:41):
I know that where there are areas of higher natural
hazard risk like flooding and landslip, that there are going
to be some challenges for those communities in the future.
And we can actually maintain the value of those houses
in some of those areas if we build better protections.
And that's the long term challenge for New Zealand. There
will be more storms, there will be more floods. You know,

(07:04):
report out a couple of weeks ago said there's going
to be thirty percent more rain than in these storms.
And we've kind of experienced in the past, So I
think most New Zealanders wouldn't want to make sure that
we're getting ahead of that. So we do agree with
Consumers New Zealand's point. In their report, it says the
central government needs to kind of grip this up a bit.
I mean, the banking sector, the insurance sector. Councils have

(07:26):
been calling for some action around risk reduction for some time,
and we spent a hell of a lot of money
responding to events, and I think we could do better
by making sure we build some protections to reduce the impact.
You know, we jumped into the Takapuna golf course and
debated a month or so ago because we thought it
was the right thing to say. Actually there's lots of
families and businesses around there that could do with not

(07:47):
getting flooded again.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah too, right, Fav, thank you for your tim Always
appreciated this. Chris Faffaath, the Insurance Council Chief Executive. Heither
recently this year, I've changed my car insurance to third
party only, canceled my health insurance, I no longer ensure
my business for loss of equipment, and I've reduced my
life insurance. Basically, I can no longer ford to live
or at least ensure myself to live, at least Campbell
finished that text with a lull, so he does see

(08:09):
the funny side of that. Look there is I thought
about this the other day. I'm paying for the insurance
for myself and the kids. They're on my insurance policy.
And I looked at it. This is the medical insurance, right,
I don't do anything. I don't do life insurance, and
they're kind of crap like that, Like if I die
too bad, you've lost the biggest thing that you're not
going to get money as a result. You don't want
to incentivize people to knock you off anyway. So it's just

(08:30):
like what I'm trying to say is I'm not extravagant
in my insurances. But I looked at it and I thought,
there's got to be a point at which I've got
to sit down and do the numbers, because I wonder
if I'm at the point where it is no longer
rational to be insuring myself for medical reasons, do you
know what I mean? Like, surely the rational thing to
do if you're paying that much is to just put
that money aside and start building it up yourself and

(08:54):
use your savings. Just assume that if you're healthy, mostly
nothing's going to go wrong. If something does go wrong,
you use your savings for it. There's got to be
there's got to be a tipping point. I just wonder
how close they are to. At sixteen past four.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
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Speaker 2 (09:14):
Ehither You're bang on? Read the health insurance. I've been
preaching this for years. Pay yourself when you spend on
health insurance, build up your own Fundie for you. Cheers, Carol, Carol,
Thank you. Nineteen passed four. Darcy water Grave was with me.

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Speaker 2 (09:29):
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Speaker 7 (09:31):
I thought that the text said Heather, you bang on?

Speaker 3 (09:34):
But no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Is that why you don't agree? You were like you
do bang your head?

Speaker 6 (09:40):
Non Hi Heather?

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Hello Darcy, So Shane Christy, what's happened here?

Speaker 6 (09:47):
And reported as to exactly what the cause of death
was suspected by his own hand, but we don't know.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Had he taken some head knocks a lot.

Speaker 6 (10:00):
He retired from the game a few years ago. He's
doing a lot of work with Billy Geison was a
friend of his who also took his own life, who
was examined for CTE and he had it. And he's
been in this space for a long time, Shane Christy
trying to educate people and understand exactly what it meant.

(10:22):
He had headaches. It showed the classic signs of it.
It was really he's only thirty nine years of age,
and now previously he'd said he's actually told the Herald
that once he'd passed, he would actually like his brain
studied to see if indeed ct was part of the
problems that he had with his continued headaches and hurt

(10:45):
all the time he walked. It just a devastating disease.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
To have to live with it, that would be so debilitating.

Speaker 6 (10:51):
Impossible, not even close. I can cast myself a few
years ago, and I found that quite stressful and there
was no pain. It was just the loss of thoughts,
that concentrating thought. You accelerate that more so when you've
taken repeated head knocks. It's terrifying. That's what it is.
Maybe a couple of decades ago, it wasn't really considered

(11:15):
it very much is now and even though some in
world rugby are trying to distant themselves from the connection.
It's there and it's irresponsible not to say that.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Are you talking about this on the show this evening.

Speaker 6 (11:30):
I'm looking to get the services of a couple of
people who specialize in CTE. Plainly, it's pretty raw for
a lot of these people who would have had a
lot to do with Shane. So we're waiting to get
that connection.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Great, hey, thank you, Darcy bestedluck with that and looking
forward to hearing it. That's Darcy water Grave SportsTalk coos
to a back at seven this evening, four twenty.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
One, cutting through the noise to get the facts. It's
Heather dupic Ellen drive with one New Zealand coverage like
no one else youth Talks.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
It'd be yeah, you might.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Laugh at this, but we canceled life insurance five years ago,
put the payments in an account to save enough for
flash funerals in case we both went at once. Okay,
flash funeral. Didn't want to leave our kids with an
expensive bill to foot. We reached the target last year.
Now we're appreciating that extra dollars in our pockets. That's
right there. But there you go, living proof of it.

(12:22):
Four twenty four now only took a few hours for
Chris Luxen to involve himself in the story of the day,
which is Taylor Swift's engagement to her football boyfriend Travis Kelsey.

Speaker 8 (12:32):
Well, Taylor and Travis are big congratulations on this fantastic news.
Getting engaged is such an exciting time. I know you
might not be thinking this far ahead, but there would
be no better place in the world than to have
the wedding here in New Zealand, or even your honeymoon.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
To Facebook post he's filmed this in the cave, stuck
it on the facy.

Speaker 8 (12:50):
I got to tell you, New Zealand is a stunning country,
and we've got places like a Raqi mount Cook which
offers jaw dropping our pine views. There's why Tomo caves
that light up the dark with thousands of glowworms. Or
maybe you fancy cliff diving and Queen Sounds surrounded by
towering mountains and crystal clear lakes.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
If you're not cringing yet, you will be very shortly.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
Now.

Speaker 8 (13:09):
We also have, without doubt, the best and the most
friendliest people in the world.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
And I bet your.

Speaker 8 (13:14):
Travis you would love to watch some rugby here too,
So we hope to see you both here soon.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
Congratulations.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Now, yeah, you know it's cringey eight like it is cringe.
It definitely is cringey. It's cringey. But then again, I'm
gonna I'm gonna like in the same way that remember
when just Sinda Whip picked up Stephen Colbert at the
supermarket not the supermarket, at the airport and we all cringe.
I remember when John Key went on let them in. Oh,
and then you're sort of like, it's like watching your
dad do something lame on stage, but you kind of like,

(13:43):
I want to hustle for so we've got to let
them hustle. If Luxeon gets even, like, if this even
pops up on one TV show over in the US,
it's worth it. So I just want to thank Chris
lux and for cringing for doing cringy things on our behalf,
because I'm gonna take every tourist that comes as a
result of it. Anyway, listen. So I didn't really I
was yay for Swifty and trav this morning when I

(14:07):
saw it, but I didn't understand a lot. So I
went to the kids in the newsroom and I was like,
what does this mean? What does it mean when she
puts the caption your English teacher and your gym teacher
are getting married, And they said, well, she sells herself
as an English teacher teaching you poetry, acoy poetry, a
hot autumn girl with the blanket on. I don't know.
I don't know what it means either. It kind of
ties into her relatability. That's why she's the English teacher

(14:30):
and he's the buff Jim teacher because he's kind of
an idiot. And you've seen the tweet where him misspells
the word squirrel because he's a footballer, and that's all
I've that's the that you take what he can out
of that. I don't know. I just think it. I
don't really get it. I think it's what they're leaning
into it their brands, the English teacher and Jim teacher thing,
and it's kind of like school. I don't really know.

(14:50):
I don't really know. The ring is a squirrel? Have
you seen it? They've all decided around the newsroom that
the squirkle is hideous. I don't and that oh and
by the way, oh and the fact that it costs
one million dollars as him being cheap can you believe
this because she's a billionaire, he needed to spend more.
I think it's actually quite nice. It's not as whimsical. Yes,

(15:11):
the Germans, it's not as whimsical as you would expect
for her. And that's true. But I mean, you know,
do you have a million dollar ring on your finger? No,
it's quite nice, I think personally. Anyway, here's your tailor.
News News is.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
Next, hard questions, strong opinion.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Here the dupic Ellen Drive with one New Zealand and
the power of satellite mobile news talk sa'd be you.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Are we doing this for the entire Farands? Half the
tho nests he says, half the show, But then you
never know, he might he might actually just go, I'm
brilliant doing this, and then he's gonna just keep doing
this the whole show.

Speaker 9 (16:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
I don't really mind all that much.

Speaker 10 (16:02):
Do you mind?

Speaker 2 (16:03):
She's actually quiet, like she's not bad at music. Actually,
I don't know if you know that. Now we got
the supermarket announcement from Nikola Willis, and it's not bad.
It's actually I was. I mean, I think she's deliberately
undersold it to us so that when it comes out
we don't have you know that we're impressed, and I'm
really impressed with it. It looks like this is the idea,
I think, very similar to the idea that the AX

(16:25):
Party had pitched at its conference a little while ago.
They're basically setting up an express land for supermarket owners
to make it easier for these guys to be able
to open shops faster, because it is such a kerfuffle
being able to get the shop consented and blah bla blah,
and if you have to do it for every single supermarket,
you just give up in the intakes years. So it
sounds like this is aimed at Costco, who have talked
about opening supermarkets further down country. They've got one in Auckland,

(16:47):
maybe Wellington, blah blah blah. So we're gonna have a
chat to Nichola Willis about this when she's with us
after five, Aldi and the other one leadal out stop
stop even hoping for them. Then it's not going to
happen the best we can hope for us cost That's
not a bad thing altogether, Nikola Willis after five twenty
four away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
It's the world wires on youth talks, they'd be drive so.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Sovereign citizen Desi Freeman is still at large in the
Victorian Bush. He killed two cops yesterday after they tried
to execute a warrant at his property. Victoria Police Commissioner
Mike Bush says he's confident Dezi will be brought to justice.

Speaker 8 (17:20):
I can assure everyone that we are pouring every resource
into this search for this person.

Speaker 4 (17:30):
We must find them.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
The Idea of says it attacked a hospital in the
Gaza Strip because of a camera. The Israeli military argues
that a camera in the hospital was monitoring Israeli troop
movements for Kamas. Here's the doctor who worked in Gaza.

Speaker 11 (17:43):
They killed twenty people targeting their camera. I mean, this
is now what Palestinian lives have become worth. That one
camera is worth the lives of twenty Palestinians in a hospital,
not in a building, not in a random street, in
a hospital.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
And finally, squirrel has got its own official baseball card.
This particular squirrel recently ran onto the pitch and approached
the pictures mound during a Yankees Red Sox game.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
But great to the marl. Look at this guy's.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
Not backing down.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
That's a New York Squirrel.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
The Squirrel card is already sold out.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
International correspondence with ends in eye insurance, peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Jonathan cares the US correspondence with US Jonathan.

Speaker 12 (18:32):
Has the world ended, Heather? I just lost you a
bit there, but my word, the United States is, and
much of the rest of the world. I think we
can call today Swift Kelsey Day.

Speaker 4 (18:45):
It is. The wedding bells have been set. The two
year romance.

Speaker 12 (18:48):
Is heading down the aisles. Everybody can get excited. There's
an album out, and there's a wedding coming out. It's
all happening for Taylor Swift.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
You know what, I knew that you'd be into this.
How much airtime is getting this. There's the skin in
the US.

Speaker 12 (19:01):
It's dominating airtime and it dominated right across all facets.
There was the US Open Tennis was taking place. As
she took to social media to make the announcement. The
commentary was interrupted to declare that Taylor Swift was engaged.
Television news stations broke into a momentary excitement. TMZ's website
and their newsroom went into essential meltown, and likewise, in

(19:23):
our newsroom, we jumped full into gear to get all
into the Swift Kelsey action as she essentially announced the
world that yes, it is happening. It even interrupted Donald
Trump's marathon four hour cabinet meeting, where he was asked
himself for his own views. I know that your Prime
Minister has opened up New Zealand's doors, opened up the
borders and said come on in, have the wedding, have

(19:44):
the honeymoon there. Maybe if it's not the United States
or Europe or New Zealand or Australia, who knows where
it could be. But if it is in New Zealand,
maybe they just ran named the country Swift Kelsey for
a week, a bit of tourism plug for the nation.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
Look, we'll take all the ideas. Hate that idea, but
you know, all ideas are welcome. Thanks you, Jonathan. What
did we get out of this marathon cabinet meeting four hours?

Speaker 12 (20:08):
What we got was a lot of praise from Donald
Trump's cabinet secretaries. I mean it was four hours. They
were all in the room together at the White House.
The press were in there for about three hours and
seventeen minutes of it, I think, and it took probably
more than two and a half hours for him to
get around each and every one of his respective secretaries.
And he does this every single time. And essentially what

(20:29):
they spend these five or ten minutes each each heaping
praise on him and on his leadership in terms of substance. Well,
what we got out of it was some stuff on
Russia and Ukraine, some expressions of frustration with Vladimir Putin,
particularly around Moscow's criticisms and attacks on Voladimir Zelenski. He
used the BS word to describe that what he said

(20:53):
was posturing. Clearly, he is frustrated. It is now almost
two weeks since that summit in Anchorage, in a lab
he wants this conflict to come to an and he
said he could resolve it in a day. And maybe,
just maybe he's realizing he can't trust Vladimir Putin as
far as he can throw it.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
This business abount of Vladimir doesn't want to meet with
Vladimir because he doesn't like Vladimir. That sounds like Trump
is already making excuses for Putin, doesn't it.

Speaker 12 (21:16):
Yeah, look it does, because what he wants is these
two leaders to sit around the table first, Because it
seems as though that was one of the strictest conditions
post anchorage, that the two leaders would meet and then
maybe he would come into play after those two met.
Now the Kremlin essentially has dodged every single element of
the question about whether this will actually take place, saying

(21:38):
that talks will continue out higher range and they're working
to make the conditions right and saying what the Kremlin
normally says in these circumstances. You've also got to try
and understand the idea that the Kremlin essentially half offered
an invite for Vladimir Zelenski to go to Moscow. Well,
that's not going to happen. So clearly there is very
little movement in terms of these two leaders meeting. Now,

(22:01):
if there's not movement in terms of those two leaders meeting,
well where is their movement in terms of peace? And
then what is Donald Trump's next move Because he's essentially
seen himself as a peace maker, he wants a Nobel
Peace Prize, he wants the feather in his kapp as
having resolved this conflict.

Speaker 4 (22:14):
It is far from resolved.

Speaker 12 (22:15):
And essentially, I think what you're seeing is Vladimir Putin
is playing a very long form game of chess as
he has long always done, particularly with Donald Trump and
particularly now with this war in Ukraine.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Very much so, Jonathan, good to talk to you. Thank
you so much, and congratulations on the Talismith News today.
Jonathan Kursley our US correspondence coming up eighteen away from five.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
Hither, duper c Ellen.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Hither it's desperate that this is the Prime Minister and Luckson. Hither,
It's desperate, That's what it is. Geez. Hither, why the
hell did our PM have to make a fool of
himself over taytay Hither It's okay, we keep bagging him,
so no good on him. Not cringey. Hither it's cringey
as but it's super effective. Hither. I like the fact
that Luxon did that. There's nothing cringey about that at all.
Good on the Prime Minister for selling New Zealand here
the big thing. Thumbs up to Chris Luxon and so

(22:58):
on and so on. I'm on, I think you've got
to split it down the middle. You've got to admit
it as super super cringey. But then you know, if
it's effective, well, even if it's not effective, God on him.
God loves a trier. Now do you remember the stuff
that Treasury released about Adrian or remember that stuff that
came out a little while ago and it showed that
there had been the meeting and then Adrian had left
the meeting, and then Neil had basically Neil quickly the

(23:21):
chair had stitched together the stuff and it was in
the end it wasn't really all that. It really wasn't
that sallacious. In the end the stuff that was released
well just got very awkward for the chair nic Neil
quickly because we've now discovered just how hard he tried
to have Treasury not release that stuff. Now, remember remember
it's important to remember there are two players here. Treasury

(23:43):
was there and Adrian and Neil were there. They are
the Reserve Bank right and their meeting with the Minister
of Finance. This is the email from Neil to Treasury.
Andrew Andrew works for Treasury. Andrew, I am frankly shocked
that Treasury would have taken it upon itself to create
such a minute without disclosing this to me or others
at the bank. I am also shocked that the comments

(24:03):
are so detailed. There is no way that I can
give you comments tomorrow. As this will require the full
force of the RB and Z Reserve Bank of New
Zealand legal advice to be brought to bear on it.
Suffice to say that if the minute was released in
anything like its current form, it would immediately destroy the
goodwill between Treasury and the Bank that I have tried
to create over the past few years. Who when and

(24:25):
didn't he got released anyway? But talk about trying to
try to hide the evidence. Barri Soaper is next sixteen
away from.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
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Speaker 2 (24:35):
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Speaker 7 (24:41):
I totally agree with that text that it was excellent.
I thought it was a great cell of New Zealand.
And imagine if Taylor and what's his name Travis comes here,
It'll be marvelous for New Zealand. You know, the world's
media would be focused on us. It doesn't matter whether
it's a bit cringey. I mean shows you can sort

(25:03):
of get down with the real people.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
Oh yeah, look at it continues a long tradition of
New Zealand. Prime Minister is just being really cringey. Well
the world stage.

Speaker 7 (25:11):
I wouldn't put it cringey. I just think it's them
just acting up a but no, I think it's jolly good.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah, no, absolutely, why not do what you can to
hustle We need it? Okay, what do you make? I
like the supermarket announcement.

Speaker 7 (25:22):
So do I And you know, of course we're all
wondering how they were going to pull it off, what
they were going to do, and I think particularly the
one stop shop for streamlining building consent, that's to me
big deal because you know it's taken so long to
get consent in this country, and that's the problem with

(25:42):
this country for any business wanting to start up here.
I mean, they sent out a request for information and
they got twenty four replies. Some were existing, some were
people that were looking at coming into this country. Cost
Actually Nikola Willis met with cost Co and they said,

(26:04):
if these regulations were relaxed, then we would certainly look
at opening more widely throughout the country. And it is
competition that's what drives the prices down. I'll tell you
what Nikola Willis I think captured precisely why there is
a lack of competition in this country. Haven't listened.

Speaker 10 (26:20):
They told us that the time and cost involved in
applying for resource and building consents for new supermarkets creates
uncertainty for any new development and makes New Zealand an
unattractive place to set up shop. We were told it
can take up to four years to get permission for
a new supermarket and that reaching that point can cost

(26:43):
millions of dollars. Several potential competitors also raise concern that
existing players could potentially use predatory pricing to effectively stamp
out new operators. We will not put up with that,
and so the government has a great to strengthen provisions
in the Commerce Act to prevent this conduct from happening.

Speaker 7 (27:05):
And this legislation they're not going to muck around. It'll
be in the House by November and I would imagine
these issues would be resolved early next year. So hopefully
we'll have some interest in other people operating supermarkets in
this country rather than the two that do so at
the moment.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Good news. Now, do you like the idea of acting
these ministries?

Speaker 7 (27:27):
Well, I like old Brian Roach. I know Brian quite
well and it's not for him to do it. It's
not for him to merge ministries. It would have to
be a cabinet decision. But you know he looked at
ministries the like you've already mentioned Women's Affairs and PACIFICA
People's disabled ministries. Now you know, we've got a large

(27:49):
public service and surely the jobs that are done by
those ministries can be absorbed. Not just for your information, Heather,
how to lock up? How many people work at these ministries? Currently,
the Women's Affairs Ministry has a staff of forty two,

(28:09):
the Pacific Ministry it has a staff of one fifty six.
The CEO of the Women's Ministry has paid up to
two hundred and ninety thousand dollars a year, and the
Pacifica Ministry has paid up to five hundred grand a year. Well,
you know, honestly they could be working within a larger

(28:29):
ministry and do exactly the same job as if we
need a women's ministry.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Anywhay, Am I not wrong in thinking that the Ministry
for Disabled people was recently split out of the Ministry
for Social Development? Yes it was, so it can just
go back to.

Speaker 7 (28:44):
Again and it can be absorbed by other bigger ministries.
And don't forget. This was in fairness to David Seymour.
This is something that he's been banging the drama about
for some time as getting rid of these small ministries.
And that's what they should have done when they looked
at the public servers which is bloated. There's no doubt
about it, and it always has been. It always becomes

(29:05):
that way under a labor government. They really did need
to cut back and they really haven't done the job
that they should have done on the public.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
Hey, so is the capping rates idea popular?

Speaker 7 (29:17):
Well comes to no surprise, does it really? I mean,
if you ask people, as the Taxpayer's Courier pollsters did
that basically they were asked, the government is planning to
introduce a law which would camp how much local councils
can increase rates by you do you support a repose

(29:37):
the rates being capped? Well, of course, most people I
would think would support rates being capped, particularly those we
like rates going up. So it comes as no surprise.
And I guess you know the government will be padding
itself on the back. It's making a policy that is

(29:58):
generally very well thought of in the country and people
will be paying hopefully less for their rates in the
coming years.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Well, if it actually happened, happens, thank you, Verry, very
sober seen, your political correspondent eight away from five putting.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
The tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 13 (30:18):
Visa is a pathway to residency for business migrant's ready
to invest cash Erica Stanford is of course the Ministry
of Immigration. Is there a noticeable difference between one and
two million and the five and ten for golden So
in other words, you're dealing with completely different people.

Speaker 14 (30:31):
We are, and I was always very cautious about not
cannibalizing the active Investor plus visa, which is going very well.
This is more about people who have got business experience
of running businesses. We will check that investing in a
business that they have to be here, be a tax
resident and actively run the business, whereas the active investor
plus is more about their capital and business connections.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
So very very different.

Speaker 13 (30:51):
Back tomorrow at six am the mic hosking Breakfast with
Rain Drover Newstalk z B.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah, the please read the Port of todung A release.
This is what is wrong with the country, Lance, Thank you.
I'm going to get to that at some stage. In
the next half hour. Apparently RFK is bringing back the
whole fatty, the fatty fatty fatty whole milk. You know,
the blue top milk. I don't know what it is
in America. Here, it's the blue top milk. He's bringing
back to that back to the schools in America, and
he's getting rid of the low fat milk stuff. This

(31:18):
is according to a leaked draft of the White Houses
Make Our Children Healthy Again strategy. I love this because
I love the fat, right, remember how remember remember what
upset me the most about the hospital food was that
they were cutting the fat off the roast meat. But
Roseby that's what you need. You need to go eat
your animal fats, you need to drink your full fat milk,
you need to eat your cheese and all that stuff. Anyway,

(31:39):
not everyone loves it because for the longest time we've
been told that we're not supposed to be eating all
that animal fat. So we're gonna have a chat to
a nutritionist in twenty minutes that you can know for
once and for all whether you should actually be drinking
the blue stuff or the green stuff. And obviously the
answer is ignore the green stuff. So yeah, quarter past
five for that one. Aukland Transport have just confirmed that
they will be coming on the show. I'm very excited

(31:59):
about this because Auckland Transport, it would appear, is spending
a huge amount of money still on the road cones,
and none of us love a road cone. Sixty million
dollars plus a you advacted sixty three point two million
dollars a year that they're spending on traffic management and
road cones. The mayor is furious, as says it's beyond
a joke. They've spent the five most expensive projects they've

(32:22):
spent it on. And I apologize to anybody outside of Auckland,
but you know you can enjoy this Eastern Busway five
million dollars on the road cones, Mangat Air Cycling improvements
seven hundred and thirty thousand dollars, Great North Road cycle
Way six hundred and sixty four thousand. I drive past
that all the time. I would pay six hundred and
sixty four thousand dollars to take the road cones away.
Half Moon Bay Improvements two hundred thousand dollars and speed

(32:43):
limit reversals one hundred and forty two thousand dollars do
you know how many households Do you know how many
households have contributed all of their rates to just the
road cones and the temporary traffic management fifteen thousand? That's
a lot anyway, Auckland Transport's going to be with us
to explain what on earth is going on here? After
half passed? But Nicola Willis next on the supermarkets New
Storks B.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
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Speaker 1 (33:34):
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Speaker 3 (33:48):
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Speaker 2 (33:50):
Afternoon. The Government's made its long awaited supermarket announcement. It's
cutting red tape for any potential new supermarket entrants who
want to set up here. Consent processes will be made
easier and to markets will qualify to be fast tracked
through the approvals process. Finance Minister Nichola Willis is with us. Nikola, Hello,
hi eather. So is it the case that they will
apply for one consent for all of their shops? Is

(34:11):
that how it works?

Speaker 3 (34:12):
Well?

Speaker 10 (34:13):
They could apply for one at a time, or they
could apply for many at a time. Over to them,
of course, the more the better, is what I say.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
But is it one consent that will apply for all
of the stores rather than one consent per stal.

Speaker 10 (34:25):
For the resource consent they will apply for each project.
For the building consent process, what we're creating is a
new multiproof line which will mean that they can get
one pre approved consent for all of the buildings they
might want to do across the country and then go
to one building consent authority that can consent them no

(34:45):
matter where they are in the country, instead of having
to go to the one of the sixty eight different
territorial authorities who currently run Bespoken Byzantine consenting processes. They
can have one fast track.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
So at the moment it takes about four years to
to set up a store, how long how much shorter
do you anticipate this will be?

Speaker 12 (35:05):
Well?

Speaker 10 (35:05):
For four years is at the outer length of what
we've heard about where advised that this will reduce the
process to a matter of months rather than years. And
actually it's about as fast as these people want to go.
So if their investment ready, they can apply for fast
track that process will run very quickly, and they can
also at the same time apply for these streamlined building consents,

(35:27):
which means that really it's just a matter of how quickly.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
They can build. Is this basically aimed at Costco.

Speaker 10 (35:35):
Well, it's aimed at anyone who is looking at New
Zealand saying, yeah, we think there's a market opportunity there,
but gosh, it all looks a bit complicated, looks a
bit hard, don't know what the processes might take forever,
will be really expensive. And yes, we've tested it with
Costco because we thought it was pretty important to talk
to someone who's already been through the process and can

(35:55):
tell us would this shift the dial? And they have
confirmed for us that yes, this wood.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Shift the dial.

Speaker 10 (36:01):
They've also confirmed for us that they are considering opening
news stores in New Zealand over the next four years
and that changes like that support it.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
How are you going to crack down on predatory pricing?

Speaker 10 (36:13):
So predatory pricing is something that's not allowed in the
Commerce Act currently, but there have only been two successful
prosecutions in New Zealand since the nineties, and that's because
our Commerce Act is basically out of date with what
countries around the world now have. They have a specific
economic impact test in law so that everyone's clear about

(36:33):
where the line is. So we're essentially going to borrow
with pride and do what other countries around the world
have already done in their Commerce Act and put those
new provisions in so it's crystal clear. It makes prosecutions
easier and makes everyone aware of where the boundaries are,
because what we don't want to see is a great
new entrant coming into the market and getting stamped on

(36:54):
by the incumbents who are trying to squeeze them out.
We need to stop that from happening.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Are you still considering breaking up the duopoly?

Speaker 10 (37:02):
Well, I'm still going through a thorough process to assess
the risks of that, the costs of that, and how
that measures up against the benefits consumers would get on
the other side, because there are arguments on both sides here.
I hear all of those who say, oh gosh, you
know that there would be problems with that. Equally, there
could be significant advantages from that, So I'm taking a

(37:24):
very thorough process. This would be a really significant intervention,
so it's not something that the government takes lightly and
I'm continuing analysis of those options.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Likely. Have you caught up on the latest with Port
of Todunger.

Speaker 10 (37:36):
No, I have not.

Speaker 16 (37:37):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
Port Todung is urging the government to act quickly and
rectify the wording in the fast tracked legislation to resolve
the situation because they have had excuse me, their fast
track application put on hold after a judicial review.

Speaker 10 (37:50):
Yes, I am aware of that matter. I won't speak
about matters before the courts, but what I can confirm
is that when the government introduces this fast track measure
for supermarkets, we will at the same time take the
opportunity to take a few remedial measures on the underlying
fast track legislation to make sure it's working as well

(38:10):
as possible.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Okay, good stuff, Hey, thanks very much, Nichola Willis, Finance Minestual.
Get you across what's just happened with Port of Totong
has just come out in the last couple of hours
twelve past.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
Five, Heather dup cl tender pay.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Gap has fallen three percent in the year to June.
This is according to Stats and Z data just out.
Brad Olsen is Infometrics principle economist and with US. Hello, Brad,
good evening. What's caused the fall?

Speaker 16 (38:32):
Well, I think we're seeing a few things coming through.
In general, there's been quite a number of industries that
have seen a number of higher pay numbers for female employees,
so that's been a big change. You've seen some quite
large increases across the likes of the transport sector, information
technology finances, so there have been some genuine changes there.

(38:56):
We've also seen continued larger pain increases for a number
of quite large female dominated industries, the likes of education
and health as well. Those have helped to contribute.

Speaker 4 (39:07):
To the fall.

Speaker 16 (39:08):
This is one of the most statistically significant fools we've
seen in the gender pay gap, down to five point
two percent. Previously it was eight point two. That is
a big shift and I think that's really coming through
as you've seen a number of these changes in pay
over time, so it's not all of a sudden things
have changed. You've had a build up of changes that
have now started to hit the numbers.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Can we relax now and stop talking about it if
it's only five percent?

Speaker 16 (39:31):
I don't think any want to be comfortable with that now.
To be fair, there's a lot of various measures that
come into the gender pay gap. It can be a
bit of a blunt instrument because we know that there
are of course differences in the type of women, type
of work that different women are involved with, and men
as well. But at five point two percent, it still
doesn't feel comfortable given that there is a difference, and

(39:53):
certainly when you look at some of the types of
work that's done, it does seem like we need to continue.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Telling there will always be a difference as long as
women are the ones popping out the babies and staying
home to breastfeed, there will always be a difference, won't.

Speaker 16 (40:04):
They well, especially because that one isn't even really considered
as well in the gender pay gap. But yes, I
don't think just because there might always be a challenge though,
that we should not address that. We've got to continue
to work on it, and given we've got some momentum here,
clearly it should be the sort of thing that we
continue to work on. One area where we haven't made
as much progress is the ethnic breakdowns of the gender

(40:25):
pay gap, and I think that's an area that we
continue to need to look at, only because clearly, if
we're doing work, everyone should be paid similarly for that
work that's done.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
Okay, Brad, thank you so much, Brad Olson infametrics principle economists.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
Ever do for thee Ellens.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
I am so sad to tell you that the company
that makes den Heath Custer Squares has been put into
liquidation the couple who majority owned it. I don't know
if you've been following the story, but the couple who
majority own it have been trying to sell it for
a couple of years and it doesn't look like it's sold.
And now as a result, the website has been put
in liquidation. Websites no longer live the premises with our
try from Timaru. I've been there, loved it, ate way

(41:02):
too many of them that has now closed when the
local paper went round to visit.

Speaker 16 (41:07):
It.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Is so sad because these are, hands down, you cannot
argue with me about this, the best custard squares in
the country because they are not too sweet. They're lovely,
just like that a little bit of savory and not
too gelatinous and kind of you know, like h like
I don't even rubbery. That's the word I'm looking not rubbery.

(41:28):
They're just delicious and not too sweet and lovely and
custom just the best, and this is a sad day.
Can someone please buy it and open it up for us?
You'd be doing the country a service quarter past. Okay. Now,
if you're a red wine lover and you love a bargain,
who doesn't, then get yourself in front of a computer
or a phone right now, because you are not going
to want to miss out on this. Incredibly. When I
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(41:50):
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Because the deal is so sharp, I can't tell you anything,
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(42:12):
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(42:32):
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Speaker 3 (42:43):
Two heather Doopers the Alo five nineteen.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Now, the US government is reportedly putting the full fat
milk back into the schools. Whole milk fell out of
favor in the late seventies because there were fears about
saturated fat and heart disease and stuff like that. But
RFK loves a bit of the blue top, and according
to a leaked drama, he's putting it back on the
menu in the American schools. Karen Zen is an aut
professor of nutrition and with us. Now, Hey, Karen, hi

(43:07):
havether good idea.

Speaker 17 (43:10):
Great ideas by time?

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Do you also love the blue top?

Speaker 17 (43:15):
I love the blue top?

Speaker 1 (43:16):
I do.

Speaker 17 (43:17):
I never used to. I was very loyal to the
light blue and green top, but after reading a lot
of evidence and some common sense. I'm back on the
blue top.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Okay, what is the evidence and common sense told you?

Speaker 17 (43:31):
So you know, there is actually a substantial body of
evidence to show that full fat milk and full fat
dairy products actually outperform low fat dairy products when it
comes to a number of chronic diseases, including lowering risk
of childhood obesity, cardiovascular disease, and type two diabetes. So
we think that saturated fat is the problem, but when

(43:54):
we look at the studies, the dairy with a higher
fat actually shows either a neutral or even a detective
effect against some of these chronic diseases.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
So would we all actually be better off getting rid of
the light blue and the and the green tops and
drinking the blue top.

Speaker 17 (44:09):
That is part of the conversation for sure. So saturated
fat is the or has been, the villain, as you said,
And I think saturated fat in the context of our
current ultra processed food diet is a real problem. So
I think if we change and we all go to
blue top and relax the idea of saturated fat being

(44:33):
the villain, we also need to make sure that we
do focus more on eating, sorry, eating whole unprocessed foods
alongside it.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Yeah, totally. Now, I have got quite angry at Health
New Zealand, Karen. I'm not gonna lie like I've probably
become slightly irrational, but I have got quite angry with
them about the rules that they want to introduce for
the hospital cafeterias, and they want the people to go
there and cut the fat off the meat. You would
eat the fat, wouldn't you.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
I would?

Speaker 17 (45:00):
And I've actually heard you ranting about this, and it
is a it's a very very interesting argument. But I
do believe that natural fat from whole foods that were
once recently alive is not there to kill us. It
really isn't. It's the ultra processed foods and the combination
of the sugar, fat, salt, additives and all those industrial

(45:23):
things that they packaged together and market to us in
bright colors and flavors. That's what's killing us. It's not
the bit of saturated fat from our meat or chicken
or whole milk.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Good from you, Karen, Thank you. Karen's an aut professor
of nutrition. I've heard you ranting about that. That's do
you know what? If you to anybody else, that's an
insult to me, such a compliment.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather, duplicl and
drive with one New Zealand coverage like no one else
news talks.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
They'd be Heather. We're just animals, so our bodies know
how to handle the animal. Fats were not plants, well
said five twenty five. Now listen, if I'm honest with you,
The passing of John Barnett on Sunday has actually hit
our house quite hard over the last three days, because
you know, at the start, nobody knew anything about what
had happened, and as the information has come out, we've
realized that when my husband bumped into him on the

(46:17):
street on Sunday afternoon, it was literally just before he died,
like they stopped for a chat. Husband went in one direction,
Barney went in the other direction, and it wouldn't have
been another two hundred meters or so beyond that that
John collapsed. Now, I don't think the full force of
it actually hit me until I was watching the television
news about this last night, because you know, you're watching
somebody alive on TV in the footage, but not alive

(46:39):
in real life anymore, and What struck me last night
was that I never realized how big a force John
Barnett was for us in New Zealand. I knew what
he'd done, We all know what he's done, Shorty Street,
whale Rider, all of that. But it wasn't until I
heard the list rattled off that I realized the scale
of the impact foot Trot Flats, so On's wedding, whale Rider,
Shortland Street. Once we're warriors, what becomes of the broken hearted?

(47:00):
Outrageous fortune apparently commissioning Dave Dobbin and Herbs to make
slice of heron Heaven, apparently helping to rescue Dawn Ray.
I mean, how much of what we consider to be
to be intrinsic parts of our culture, or at least
reflections of our culture back to us, were created or
facilitated by John Barnett. It was really easy to forget
that when you knew John, because he's really easy going

(47:21):
and really gracious, never reminded you of what a big
deal he actually was. He was just Barney who you
bumped into almost every week on the KINDI run, or
at the weekend, sitting outside disngof or strolling down Ponsonby Road.
The last time I saw him and sat down and
probly not saw him, but sat down and properly had
a chat to him was over dinner at Prago, not
long ago. And the thing that struck me about him

(47:42):
was how much into life he still was at the
age of seventy nine. He still had an eye for
a good yarn. He was telling us about the story
he never got around to making, which is of the
only woman ever to be jailed in London for being
a hit man. She was a kiwi and his eyes
lit up and he cracked a big smile telling the story.
He was still enthusiastic about telling our stories back to us.
I will miss seeing John on my walks, not nearly

(48:04):
as much as his family and his wife and his
dearest friends will miss him. But how lucky were we
that he spent his life giving us this part of
New Zealand back to us.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
Here the duplessye Ellen.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Port of Towdunger. So what's happened is they've just put
out a press release in the last couple of hours
to say that the fast track applications on hold.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Now.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
I don't know if you've been following this, but they
have been trying to do the Stellar Passage development, which
is the Solfur point in the Mount Mongoneri warves and
so on. They've been trying to do that since about
twenty thirteen, twenty eighteen, twenty thirteen, it was in the
plans twenty eighteen. They started planning for it in twenty
twenty five. They still can't do it right, so they
get the fast track application. It's supposed to start on
the first of September, which is next week. They just

(48:43):
went to court with a judicial review upheld because a
couple of words were missing in their resource consent, which
is ridiculous and mind blowing. But this is where we're
at with it. They said, we are turning away shipping
lines that want to call at Toadunger. In the last month,
the porters had to turn away a proposed new service
to the Americas that would have provided New Zealand importers
and exporters with an estimated sixty five million to ninety

(49:04):
million dollars per year in international freight savings. Anyway, you heard,
Nikola Willis they're going to do something about it, and
thank god, eighteen next year.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
The Day's Newsmakers talk to Heather first Heather Duplicy Ellen
drive with one New Zealand and the power of satellite
mobile Newstalk sent me.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
It's definitely half the halfway mark and the show I
am are still going with the TATO. What did I
tell you? Listen, it's been a tough year for Meridian.
You've seen that lost post and today we'll have a
chat to the CEO after six o'clock. The un reckons
twenty five countries now in total have suspended their package
deliveries to the US. So it's US, It's Ozzie, It's France, Britain, Germany, Italy,
Indiage Pandalist just goes on twenty five of US in total,

(49:50):
so you know we're not alone in this twenty four
away from.

Speaker 3 (49:53):
Six, Heather Duplicy Ellen.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Now, Auckland Transport has spent an eye watering sixty three
million dollar do on traffic management and road cones in
the last year. The mayor has slammed the cost, saying
it equates to about three percent rates rise across the city.
Tracy Burkahan is with Auckland Transport. High Tracy Hi Heather
mayor says it's too much, is it?

Speaker 18 (50:14):
It's it's not too much if you think about it
in context. Fundamentally, we agree with the mayor. We agree
that there's still more work to do. So sixty three
million is a big number, but you have to put
that in context of a one point two plus billion
dollar infrastructure program, and that equates to roughly five percent.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Okay, but hold on, hold a s What is in
this infrastructure program is that is that one point two
billion dollars just for roading.

Speaker 18 (50:44):
Not all of Auckland transports capital program last year was
around the one point two billion, But.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
That's what that's What does that include? That's not just
roading and cycle ways, So.

Speaker 18 (50:54):
You've got things that will Obviously the Eastern Buflow project
is roading, but it's a public transport, major benefits for
the city. So yeah, that what else all sorts of capital, Yeah,
foot paths.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
All of rosy temporary traffic management for foot paths.

Speaker 18 (51:16):
Yes, sure, So if you've got people concorte trucks pouring concrete,
odd foot paths where people need to be diverted to
the other side of the road so that they're not
walking by heavy machinery, and those sorts of things that
will be a much life Some.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Of those If you're spending one point two billion dollars
in a year, then that means that you're spending one
hundred million dollars in a month, which means that you're
spending what is that, three million dollars in a day,
which means that every hour you're spending about two hundred
Every light hour, you're spending about two hundred and fifty
thousand dollars. And you're seriously telling me that is how
much money you people are spending two hundred and fifty
thousand dollars every hour.

Speaker 18 (51:54):
Yes, we're delivered. We're delivering huge infrastructure benefits to the
city every year.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
I find that amazing to anyway. Okay, now tell me
which of the two guidances are you using for the
temporary traffic management? Are you using the old one or
are you using the new one that the government wants
you to use.

Speaker 18 (52:12):
So we're still transitioning to the new one, but we've
embraced the new one. It's an excellent change too.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Well, why aren't you just doing it? How hard does that?
Just ditch the old ones start using the new one.

Speaker 18 (52:24):
This is really a once in a generation change for
the construction industry in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
I've explain to me why you can't just get rid
of the old guidance and use the new guidance from today.

Speaker 18 (52:36):
So we're working with all of the suppliers to do that.
But we've got contracts that specify the old way of
doing things. We're changing those all over to the new
way of doing things. And we're supporting the construction company
out there who have got obligations under their house and
safety at work requirements to keep their people safe and
to keep the road users of Akland safe.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
So when is how much is it going to reduce
the cost of temporary traffic management by when we switched
to the old one to the new one.

Speaker 18 (53:06):
So realistically, we've had the cost we've spent on temporary
traffic management.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
I'm asking you how much is it going to reduce
it by when we completely switch to the new one.

Speaker 18 (53:18):
We're not really sure because what the new guide does
is it actually looks at each site specifically and says
what's the right amount of temporary traffic management for this site.
The old one said you must have twenty five cones
and they must be one meter apart. So now there's
a lot more thought put into a principles based approach

(53:38):
to it, and so necessarily you'll have fewer devices out
there and lower cost, but very anticipation you may still
have the same.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Do you understand yet? When do you anticipate that we
will be completely switched to the new one and the
old one is gone?

Speaker 18 (53:54):
So Auckland Transport is only going to consider the new
approach from the first of July twenty twenty six. We
won't be looking at the old applications, will only be
looking at the new application.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
And when will all the contracts that contain the old
one be out and finished and we're only looking at
the new one and the new one is the only
one in effect.

Speaker 18 (54:14):
So the government's put a line in the sand about that.
An Auckland Transport supports the Minister. That's by the first
of July twenty twenty seven, fully all old contracts transferred across.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Oh thank you, Tracy, That's what I was after. I
really appreciate it. Tracy Burkhan, manager of Road Corridor Access
and Coordination at Auckland Transport. Basically, what that means is
you need to get used to paying the six sixty
three million dollars or so that we're paying at the
moment for the transport traffic management, because we will be
paying this much at least until halfway through twenty twenty
seven when we switch to the new system. Nineteen away

(54:47):
from six the Huddle with.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
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Speaker 2 (54:53):
Of a gain on the Huddle. This evening we have
Liam here, lawyer and political commentator, and Jack Tame, host
of Q and A and Saturday Mornings High Lats. Got
hit All right, Jack, do you like the supermarket announcement?

Speaker 12 (55:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (55:07):
Yeah, look, I look, look, I do think it'll make
a difference in the long run, A little bit of
a difference, not a massive one. I don't think it's
going to fundamentally change the cost of living for any
of us anytime soon. I do think we have problems
around sub seating. I do think there's an elance of
the fast track legislations through useful So yeah, in the
in the anals of time, I can see this feasibly

(55:29):
having some impact. I don't think it's going to be transformational.
I don't think that's what's them promised. I think they
still have a couple of tools in their arsenals. They
really want to go that far. But yeah, I mean,
we're not going to see any massive change anytime soon,
that's sure.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Liam.

Speaker 20 (55:44):
Well, it might not be messag change anytime soon. But
I do actually think this is the right way to
do it. Like, there are multiple ways you can devene.
You can be as heavy handed as you like. You
can go and stand up your own government owned supermarket
that's only open until four in the afternoon that's closed
on Sundays, or you can do what you can to
get out of the way in terms of stopping developments

(56:04):
from happening. And you know, I said, it's the market
orient ended approach is to remove those various markets, to
let them be the loopholes that catalysm breathe through. Look,
I don't think like it does. It won't change things.
Overnight announcements don't lower the cost of living, But more
competitives can only be a good thing.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Yeah, I agree, Jack. I think it's very tempting to
aim for something like the structural separation or whatever, you know,
the really big stuff, But that would freak the markets
and the investors out so badly that you might actually
deter investments. So surely the right thing to do is
actually just cut as much red tape as you can.

Speaker 19 (56:38):
Well, that is certainly the nuclear option, right, And I suppose,
from the government's perspective, if they have a kind of
intermediate step, even if that intermediate step is closer to
the you know, perceptions of doing nothing end of the
scale than the dramatic change that's breaking up the view
offully might affect end of the scale, you know, I,
you know, I can understand why they're taking this option.

(57:00):
I think that the thing is, if they did go
with a nuclear option, I don't think anyone can say
with certainty exactly what the results of that decision would.

Speaker 20 (57:08):
Be, how long it would take exactly.

Speaker 19 (57:12):
So if there is an intermediate step, I think it's
pretty reasonable to consider that the prudent option.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
Liam, I love the idea of acting the Ministry for women.

Speaker 20 (57:21):
How about you, Well, if you permit a man's playing
to your audience, I am also in favor of this one.
I think that if you ax Ministry of Women, the
impact on the average New Zealand woman would be zero. Frankly,
no one's going to notice. And you know, it's not
to say that the ministry woman never does anything that's

(57:41):
not worthy or important to do, but it doesn't need
to be in its own standalone ministry with its own
chief executive, you know, with all the infrastructure that comes
with having your own ministry. I mean, we said, most
of my business, we have eighteen employees, most of most
of them women, and most of the up and comers
of the woman. And it's not because of anything the
ministry well has done. It's just because of the level

(58:01):
playing field like we have now, Talent comes out and
and you know it's there's been a narrowing wage gap.
That's nothing to do with the Ministry woman. What the
Ministry woman has done, I think is it has sort
of forced more gender balance on public sector boards and
the management level of the public sector.

Speaker 4 (58:23):
But those are.

Speaker 20 (58:24):
Pretty even now, they're pretty thrifty fifty. In fact, they
probably lean a little bit more on the on the
on the hiring women's side of things, and those games
don't get a raised from the bureaucracy. Once you say right,
job done, you can go home now too.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Right, Jack, I want your take on it. We'll get
it after the break.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
Quarter two the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty
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Speaker 2 (58:48):
Back to the huddle, Jack Tame and Liam here gone?
Then Jack, would you scrap the Ministry for Women?

Speaker 19 (58:52):
I think if you asked a lot of New Zealanders
what has the Ministry of Woman achieved at least in
recent years, most people would be scratching the head. That's
not so they haven't achieved anything. But I just I
don't think many people would be able to point to
really significant tangible outcomes. Yeah, when it comes to when
it comes to the public sector, board representation and CEOs,
I don't see why we would need a ministry in

(59:15):
order to advocate for some sort of.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
Story.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
I'm going to stick us up. This is an easy
one because we will hate the Ministry for Women they
do nothing. What about the Ministry for Pacific People's Jack, Well.

Speaker 19 (59:27):
I think there's I think there's a reasonable argument to
be made for at the very least some sort of
consolidation across the demographic ministries. Now, maybe maybe people will
say we need to go one step further and scrap them.
Are But if in principle you agree that these ministries
have been doing some good work over time, and that
maybe we don't understand everything that they've achieved, because we're

(59:50):
not following all of their outcomes with a fine tooth cone.
Maybe you would say that a way that was a
little more fiscally prudent that still kind of ensured the
core functionality of some of these ministries would be to consolidate.
And then it sounds to me like that's what the commissions.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Well, Jack, with that sentence, you should go work in
the public service.

Speaker 19 (01:00:11):
I'll take all my learning from the show here.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Shut up. I did not write that promo and they
made me say that out loud on here Hay was
Liam was the prime minister. Now it's not even the
Prime minister was cringey, wasn't he when he invited Taita
and trav to come here?

Speaker 20 (01:00:28):
Yeah, I just think it's kind of beneath that the
office of the Prome Minister to do that. But also
do this, Liam know, in fairness, I also felt the
same way about a little of that John Key did,
sorry and he was he was a great one. So
I think you know, if John if John Key has
because of election's heroes, and I guess it kind of
makes sense that he's doing it, it will never be

(01:00:49):
as cringe as Johnky going on, David Lenniman, I don't
have to say, but it's you know, like it's it's
not good for the self esteem of the country for
the Prime Minister to say that be ignored, you know,
like it makes us look quite desperate, I think, But
you know whatever, it's just me. Maybe other people aren't
so curmudgeonally.

Speaker 19 (01:01:08):
Maybe you doubt it. I just know that I'm going
to have Wayne Brown on the phone to me immediately
after this if I don't use this as an opportunity
to challenge the Prime Minister on a bid night text,
which of course Wayne Brown would say would be absolutely
necessary if we ever want to have tablets worth performing
in our biggest city.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
So there you go.

Speaker 19 (01:01:25):
Maybe maybe if the Prime Minister really wants to see
Kata and Travis here, you need to make a policy change.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
I like that you shoehorned it in there for your mate, Wayne,
but at least you did you did declare your conflict there,
so I appreciate it.

Speaker 19 (01:01:37):
Jack.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Do you go full fat or skinny?

Speaker 19 (01:01:39):
Full fat and and full sugars food? Well, my Athos's
food is like you don't get something for nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
When you say full sugar, you mean like I see
what you mean. You don't go there, Yeah, take sugar stuff.

Speaker 19 (01:01:53):
Yeah yeah, you don't want to be having any of
the high fruit toose monter or any of that stuff. No, no, no,
but absolutely full fat, one dred.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
Percent with Liam.

Speaker 20 (01:02:01):
Yeah, I'm of the same mind, you know, like it's
if you're going to indulge, indulge, you know, like it's no.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
It's good for Liam, it's good for you. Your body
needs the fat.

Speaker 20 (01:02:11):
Yeah, Okay, well there we go it Now I feel
even better about it, right, you know, like so there
we go, there's no downside. Then it tastes better and
it is better for you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
But didn't you always know this, though, Liam, when they
were telling you to drink the green stuff, you always
knew it was just water downfall fat.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:02:25):
Yeah, you know. And I'm a farm kid and so
you know, like I said, it was always to me,
it was always, you know, the less process, the better.
But yeah, that's the thing is even if whether it's
good for you or not is irrelevant to me. It's
such a marginal thing that you know, if you're going
to do something, do it, do it equipment?

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Can we agree though?

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
Jack?

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Because like people hate on the Trump administration so much
that if there is one good thing that they are
doing is that they're actually restoring some common sense to
the way that we eat.

Speaker 19 (01:02:57):
Yeah. I think there's a lot of for or Bobby
Kennedy and some of some of his policies. I mean,
some of the stuff that he's eaten over the years
is a little bit weird. But yeah, I think when
it comes to having less processed food, that can only
be a good thing, especially when you look at some
of the health outcomes in the US and the life
expecancy can be even a couple of decades ago. Yeah, absolutely,
I think, yeah, I absolutely support some of those notes.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
Brilliant stuff. Guys, You go and have a lovely evening.
The pair of you, Jack, Tame and Liam here are
huddle this evening light away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
It's the Heather Duple c Allen Drive Full Show podcast
on my hard Radio powered by News Talk z Behither.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
The woman from at was symbolic of everything that's wrong
with New Zealand, especially local government inefficiency and low products
to low productivity. Any half decent privately run business could
implement those traffic management changes within a week. Int that true?

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
Isn't that?

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
The absolute truth. Why, I mean, because somebody else has said, oh,
just another department thumbing their nose of the government. How
long does it take to switch completely?

Speaker 16 (01:04:01):
All?

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
It takes as long as the government gives you. Because
she was like, well, the government's government said we've got
until midway through twenty twenty seven, and basically that's how
long we're gonna take. So if the government goes this
is our very last day, they will run into the
last day by the looks of things. I don't quite
know why anyway, some of it's contractual, to be fair
to them, but actually this brings me But put that aside,
this brings me to my absolute favorite story of the day.

(01:04:23):
And I'm fully, fully happy to acknowledge to you that
this is the level of my immaturity. But my absolute
favorite story of the day is that at is struggling
to crack down on people they want to crack down on.
So what's going on in Auckland is around Point chev
which is there on the other side of Herne Bay
and Graylyn and stuff. They've spent a fortune Auckland Transport

(01:04:44):
on redoing the Yola Road and it's just driven everybody nuts, right,
and jeez, did they cock it up, Like you could
not believe how badly they cocked the thing up, but
they did. They manage to anyway, finally they've got the
road done. We've got this lush cycle away and it's
one of those really flash ones where you've got you know,
you got the two you've got the cars on the
middle of the road, and then either side there's a
little island, you know, a little dividing, little kirby thing,

(01:05:06):
and then you've got the cycle away on the outside,
really fully protected, and then you've got the verges on. Anyway,
what's been going on is the cars have been driving
down the cycle way. That's how big the cycle weigh is.
The cars have been driving down the cycle way and
then pulling up and parking on the verge. And it's
driving Auckland Transport nuts because Auckland Transport, if they see

(01:05:28):
that you're not parked in a place that's designated a
car park, boy are they out there where they're little tickets.
They came out with their little tickets and they started
ticketing to people. They cannot enforce the tickets, and they
can't enforce the tickets because they don't own the verge.
Motat owns the verge, doesn't it, So that's Motat's land,
so now you can't. Oh jeez, I love it. I
loved it so much. It is so mature of me.

(01:05:50):
But I thought, good on you motorists getting some free
parking for yourself in a city that is extremely expensive
in the cost of living crisis. But also you're teaching
at less. Do you know what happened the other day?
My brother was outside my house. They're doing the garden
for me. It looks amazing by the way they did
the garden for me and his business partner, Holly pulled
her car in and it's a legit car park and

(01:06:12):
Auckland Transport guys with the weedy guy came by and
was like it started writing her a ticket. She's like,
you can't write me a ticket? How long have I
got to be here? And he's like ten hours and
she's like, I literally pulled in there ten minutes ago.
He's like, ah, he was trying. He was trying his luck.
Then he tried to write my brother a ticket as well,
but he was like, bro, that's my car now, so
anyway for that route, I just hate eighty, Like don't

(01:06:33):
you just irrationally hate them. So anything that kind of
gives them the old bird, I'm like, oh, go for it, guys, brilliant.
So for you motorists on me Ola Road, absolute a
zax today, thank you for cheering me up a great deal. Okay,
if Meridian CEO is with us next on their loss
and also we'll talk about the gas problems that's going
on in this country. News talks have beep.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
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Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Even in coming up in the next hour Milfed Asset
Management will talk us through Trump firing the Reserve, the
Fed Reserve board member Jene tip cheriny On Neil quickly
trying to hide the evidence of the Adrian All meeting,
and Gavin Grays with us out of the UK. It's
seven past six now. Meridian Energy has suffered from a
drought and then suffered from a wind and is now
suffering from no profit. The company reported a brutal full

(01:07:30):
year result, posting a net loss of four hundred and
fifty million dollars. Remember last year was a net profit
of four hundred and thirty million dollars, so lack of wind,
low energy yields from hydro all been blamed, but shareholders
will still get a dividend of almost twenty one cents
a share full year dividend. Mike Rohan is Meridian CEO
and with us high Mike.

Speaker 9 (01:07:48):
Hey, Heather, how are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Yeah, I'm very well. That looks like a pretty stressful year,
was it?

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (01:07:52):
It was tough.

Speaker 9 (01:07:55):
You know, the events like we just saw play out
don't come around that often. Fortunately, feels a bit like
we wear that the perfect storm. But you know, if
I walk away from the year with anything, you go.
We took a hit, no question about that. But we
kept the lights on so Altrusy flowed to people and

(01:08:17):
we managed to shield our customers from the high prices
that played out in wholesale market. So you know, we
took the brunt of the financial issues. And you know,
reality is droughts are inevitable in the country, so every
now and then we're going to face a tough year.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
How much higher than normal was the three hundred million
dollars that you spent on price hedges?

Speaker 18 (01:08:39):
A lot magnitude of.

Speaker 9 (01:08:43):
At least ten is what we tend to do is
will buy hedges as insurance products, so you pay the
insurance premium typically and that might be in the order of,
you know, twenty to thirty million. It's when you exercise them.
So when you go through drought like we did, that
you exercise them and that's where you bear you know,

(01:09:05):
really high costs. And of course this last year, a
couple of the insurance products that we took out were
suspended so they didn't work. So we had to buy
insurance at the time we were going through the drought,
which is that costs a lot of money. Yeah, and
you know, the it was, as I say, it was
kind of one of those years where we had well

(01:09:25):
two droughts and we lost the gas sector as a
fuel for the electricity sector. So you know, thankfully that
sort of stuff doesn't happen that often.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
Right now, on the gas thing, what do we do
about this? How do we fix the situation? If at all?

Speaker 4 (01:09:44):
It's tough?

Speaker 9 (01:09:46):
I don't know if I have an answer. The what
we are trying to do is we're trying to as
an electricity sector move away from gas as quickly as
we can. So you know, the Strategic Energy Reserve the
agreement that we wrote with Genesis to improve the capacity
at the Humpty power station basically was that was the

(01:10:10):
electricity sector stepping away from gas, you know, as a
transition fuel and hopefully free some gas for you know,
direct gas customers. But ultimately, unless the gas set to
can find some more gas, which looks increasingly unlikely, you know,
they're going to have to step away from gas as well.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
So, Mike, so you guys have faced the reality of
a declining gas situation. Do the rest of us need
to do that as well? I mean, if you if
you were a business using gas, do you need to
switch to something else like biomass or electricity. If you're
a homeowner who is still using gas, do you need
to do the same thing.

Speaker 9 (01:10:47):
I think as a business you should be looking at it.
As you know, it's not a choice for everyone. So
not everybody can step to bio mass or electricity, as
you say, heither, but for those that can, they should
be looking at the economics and the speed at which
they can move away from I.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
Mean, don't sit around waiting for more gas. A no,
what about residential customers?

Speaker 9 (01:11:12):
So I think residential customers got a little longer of course,
this all comes back to economics. And you know, while
we've seen electricity prices rise, they are largely driven by
the transmission distribution price increases. Gas prices have lifted far
quicker and faster, recognizing gas is fast gear so than
we imagined. So I think residential residential customers will start

(01:11:37):
to see the economic impact of staying with gas, and
that'll motivate people to move.

Speaker 6 (01:11:42):
All their applies.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
When do we start noticing it?

Speaker 9 (01:11:46):
I would say this winter. If my gas bill is
anything to go by, is it's a lot higher this
year than it.

Speaker 20 (01:11:53):
Was last year.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
So okay, Now, does the government just need to come
out and say this, I mean, they're dicking around with
all this, you know, like giving us the impression, certainly
Shane Jones, is that there may be some sort of
a gas solution. Do they simply need to come out
and say, guys, parties over switch to something else.

Speaker 9 (01:12:11):
Uh, you know, it's possible they know more than I do.
You know, we renewable energy business, so we don't. You know,
we don't see directly into the gas sectors as they might,
but you know, from everything that we can see from
the outside, it doesn't look promising that gas has a

(01:12:32):
major role to play for the country. So I hope
I'm wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
I don't think you are, though, but hope, well hope.

Speaker 9 (01:12:40):
You know, as they say, hope, it's not a strategy
and the you know, you've got to look at the
cost that you're facing and whether you can actually get
access to you know, gas, and we've decided as a sector,
but that's increasingly unlikely for electricity users and it's impacting
the cost of our and so we've got to move

(01:13:01):
to other fuels and ultimately we've got to invest in
more renewable assets to move off gas entirely, reduce the
amount of coal we're using the system, and actually drop
the cost of electricity for people more generally and drive
competitive advantage into the economy. So we've had a you know,
we've had a wake up as well, but we're moving

(01:13:23):
at pace.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
Yeah, Mike, listen, it's good to talk to you. I
really appreciate it. Micro own Meridian Energy CEO together. Do
just that clarification from Nikola Willis's office that it is
what we thought it is. The supermarkets can apply for
multiple sites and consents all in one go under the
fast track changes that is brilliant. I mean that is
basically actside and it's a great idea. So basically they

(01:13:45):
can go and they go, we want to put a
supermarket here, here, and here these parts of different parts
of the country. This is what we're going to do.
Here's our one consent, the faster yep tick to tick
off you go, and then they could just go whack
and do all of it instead of what's going on
with cost Cod at the moment, which is years to
set up one then let it run for a bit,
then starts setting up other ones, and it all takes
years and far too long. Now listen, zespree, So thumbs up,

(01:14:08):
thumbs up to Nikola Willis for doing this, because we
have been a little bit cynical about the supermarket announcements,
but this is actually good. Now Zespree will be reasonably pleased,
I think with what's going on with the kiwi fruit
in the New York Times, because the New York Times
has run a story why a kiwi fruit may be
the perfect snack, and it starts like this, Apples and
bananas may be some of America's favorite fruits, but nutrition

(01:14:30):
experts say that kiwis deserve a spot in your shopping cart.
These brown, fuzzy fruits with green, yellow, or even red
flesh are packed with beneficial nutrients like fiber and vitamin C.
Then it goes through all the good stuff about kiwi
fruit that loaded with nutrients, That lists all the nutrients
that's got in it. Fact that they can help you
stay regular, that's with the pooh, and then what was
the fun oh, and apparently they can help you sleep. Well,

(01:14:52):
there's a limited study on it, but apparently some elite
athletes consume two kiwis one hour before bed for four
weeks and reckon that this lit quality improved. So there
you go. How good is that for zespri Once the
Americans start going nuts on this stuff, it's just get
some zestbri shares. Right quarter past it's the.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
Heather duper Celan Drive full Show podcast on my Heart
Radio empowered by news dog Zebbi.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
Umm oh no, this is not good.

Speaker 6 (01:15:19):
Heather.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
Do not believe for one second that the cost of
traffic management will reduce under the new system. The new guidance,
the NZGTTM, is vastly more complex than the old guidance,
which is the COPTTM. I know it's very exciting, isn't it.
It's driven by H and S health and safety. Nothing
involving health and safety in worksplace is cheap, so the
new one is vastly more complex. Traffic management plans are

(01:15:40):
now one hundred pages plus. Our documents used to be
ten to fifteen pages. Watch the space, you will be disappointed.
I work in the industry, Tony. Thank you. We'll keep
an eye on that. It's coming up. Nineteen past six.
Andrew Curtain Mulford Aid Management is with us.

Speaker 3 (01:15:53):
Hey, Andrew given in Heather, how are you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
I'm very well, thank you.

Speaker 21 (01:15:57):
Know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
I'd imagine that the global markets are pretty focused on
what's happening with the Fed Reserve this week.

Speaker 22 (01:16:01):
Yeah, Yeah, lots going on because we had Jackson Hole,
which was HOWLD Friday and over the weekend, and key
message coming out of that was that power was getting
more inclined to cut interest rates in the US next month.

Speaker 21 (01:16:16):
So Marc has been reacting a little bit to that.

Speaker 22 (01:16:18):
We sare an inequity rally of a couple at one
and a half percent on Friday night from that. But
the big news really on Monday was Trump came out
with quite a big surprise when he said he was
going to fire the Federal Reserve.

Speaker 21 (01:16:32):
Board member Lisa Cook.

Speaker 22 (01:16:34):
So this is really creding a lot of noise about
the independence of the Federal Reserve, which is meant to
be separate from the Trump administration and the US government. Yes,
so we'll see how that plays out over the rest
of the week.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
Now, Trump has been very vocal and wanting to lower
the interest rates. Does getting rid of Lisa Cook actually
achieve this?

Speaker 21 (01:16:54):
It does move things in his favor. So the Fed
works by a vote by.

Speaker 22 (01:17:00):
Twelve board members, and if twelve boar members vote to
cut interest rates, then they cut interest rates. Now, Lisa
cooker has been against cutting interest rates, so she's not
aligned with what Trump wants. If he removes her, he
will likely appoint someone who would be favorable to him
and will be aligned with cutting interest rates. Now he

(01:17:20):
can propose someone and then it gets voted through by
the Senate, which he has essential de facto control over,
so he can push things through in his favor.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
And does he actually have the power to fire her.

Speaker 21 (01:17:35):
Yeah, this is where it gets tricky.

Speaker 22 (01:17:37):
So the Federal Reserve is independent from the government, so
Lisa Cook does not report or work for Donald Trump,
what he is trying to do is he's found an
angle whereby they are legend that Lisa Cook is essentially
conducted mortgage fraud back and nothing was twenty one or

(01:17:58):
twenty two before she was a Fed govern.

Speaker 21 (01:18:01):
If they can make a case whereby this means she's
not fit for the job.

Speaker 22 (01:18:07):
Essentially, if you've done mortgage fraud and you're in a
job which is sort of controlling your influencing interest rates,
it's not a great look.

Speaker 21 (01:18:14):
Then he may have a case to remove it. However,
this is likely going to have to go to the courts.

Speaker 22 (01:18:18):
Both Trump and Lisa could Cook has said they were
waiting to see what courts will say, and the Fed
have said they were also appined by whatever the courts say.
So look, it feels like a little bit of a
long shot at the moment, but they may have a
potential avenue here.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Interesting. Okay, Now, listen, we've got the Nvidia results tomorrow.
What are we expecting.

Speaker 22 (01:18:37):
Well, it's going to have to be a strong result
because Nbody has rallied about one hundred and ten percent
since the recent loads of its share price in April,
so the market's clearly expecting some big numbers. What the
sort of the consensus out there is for revenue and
earnie is to grow around about fifty percent year on year.
So that reflects incredibly strong demand for Navidia's AI chips.

(01:19:00):
It looks like they're going to have you know, they
should have decent numbers. The problem when you have such
a strong share price move over the last few months
is that a little miss on these expectations can send
the share price down.

Speaker 21 (01:19:13):
However, our sort of base cases that should should have
decent numbers.

Speaker 22 (01:19:16):
I mean, if you look at what's been going on
in the AI space over the last few months, it's
all about more and more spending. All the largest companies
in the world, such as Microsoft and Amazon, Meta Google,
have been spending more and more money on AI, which
essentially means they're spending more money on the video chips.
So we expect the demand ro backdrop to be favorable
enough that we shouldn't see too many surprises coming ot

(01:19:38):
of the results. However, you know, it is in the
video and the share price tends to be quite volatile,
so we'll see how it goes.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
Thanks for talking us through it, appreciated, Andrew, Andrew Curtain
Milford Asset Management. I just reminded you Native train. He's
going to be with us after half past. Talk us
through the awkward email that Neil quickly sent to Andrew
from Treasury six twenty three.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, film a Business
Hour with Heather Dup, c Ellen and Mares for Trusted
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Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
ENB and So I've got a text here says more
Tata please. So have you got some Tata you do? Okay, Hey,
sorted you out. More Tata coming at you. Six twenty five. Listen,
I'm just going to draw your attention to something. Have
you seen the PSA and what they've been up to.
These guys are shocking. So this is a union, by
the way, it's a public service association. So what's happened

(01:20:27):
is that there is a debate going on within the
meat inspect within the meat works in the meat sector. Right,
the guys who are chopping up the meat the slaughter
houses want to be able to do their own inspections
instead of having the meat inspectors come in from outside
and have a look at it. Now it's a live issue.
It's being debated. There's a good argument either side. I mean,
you know, obviously cost cutting and blah blah blah, but
also you know you shouldn't mark your own homework because

(01:20:49):
you're completely untrustworthy if you do. But what the PSA
has done, rather than just having this debate within the
country and trying to sort it out, they have written
to China and the about it. So they've written to
the Chinese and US ambassadors to raise our concerns about
the move towards private meat inspection, and we've requested a
meeting with them, and they haven't had a response yet,

(01:21:09):
thank god. But basically, what they'll be warning them is
if they do their own meat inspection, you're going to
get poop all over the meat that we send you. Now,
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but that is appalling, is it not.
I mean, because what they're trying to do is protect
their patch here, and in order to protect their patch here,
they are prepared to not ruin I mean, let's not
go over the top, but to potentially damage our reputation

(01:21:32):
with two of our export markers just to win an argument.
Stink move flurfitt Simon's Schober's News. You'll never guess to
send out some day it's Bruce Willis.

Speaker 3 (01:21:51):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
Nineties action star Bruce Willis had some dulcet tones back
in the nineteen eighties. As we know, Bruce, though, is
suffering from a pretty severe case of dementia. He's hired
from acting. He can no longer speak. His wife, Emma
Willis has spoken for him, and she's given an update
on his health to his favorite reporter, Diane Sawyer.

Speaker 3 (01:22:08):
Bruce has in really great health overall.

Speaker 14 (01:22:11):
You know, it's just his brain that is failing him.

Speaker 23 (01:22:14):
And you know sometimes he'll see that twinkle in his eye.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
Or that's wirk and you know, I just get like transported.

Speaker 14 (01:22:24):
Then it's just hot to see that because as quickly
as those moments are pure, then it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
Course, Yeah, it must be really hard. She's got a
book coming out about her family coming to terms with
his medical condition. It's called The Unexpected Journey and you
can pick it up from September the ninth. Here's your taytape.

Speaker 3 (01:22:49):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
The Business Hour with him Duplicy, Ellen and Mas for
Trusted Home Insurance Solutions News Talks that'd be.

Speaker 15 (01:23:00):
Se Wi You.

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
Why the massive gas prices this year. Oh, I think
what that means is, Heather, there have been massive gas
prices this year, but to change to electricity from gas
and our restaurant is really really tough. Sales are flat
year on year. All expenses have gone up, gases through
the roof. I'm in the black marginally, but I would
be on less than the minimum wages the owner. Gas
running out is the icing on the third cake of

(01:23:28):
twenty twenty five, well set twenty four away from seven.
Now back to that warning letter that the chair of
the Reserve Bank sent to Treasury over Adrian All. What
happened was Treasury was getting ready to release the minutes
of a meeting between Adrian Or and Treasury officials. They
told this is Treasury. They told the Reserve Bank chair
Neil quickly they were going to do it, which prompted
him to email back that it would immediately destroy the

(01:23:49):
goodwill between the two organizations if it happened. Genetibscherney is
The Herald's Wellington Business editor and with us, Hello Jane Hiever,
it's pretty extraordinary.

Speaker 23 (01:23:58):
Yes, I mean, immedia destroy the good will? That is
pretty strong language. Now I have seen the minute that
was taken after a meeting on February twenty four, shortly
before adrian Or resigned. This was a meeting between Nikola Willis,
Adrian Or, the head of the Treasury, and Rennie the
board of the Reserve Bank, Neil Quigley and some other stuff.

(01:24:19):
And you know, to be honest, there was nothing dramatic
about this minute, Like, I don't understand what the what
the drama is. So the minute at the minute said
that adrian Or made it clear that he disagreed with
the Treasury over the amount of government funding he thought,
you know, the Reserve Bank needed. The minutes also say
that he expressed his frustration regarding the relationship between the

(01:24:43):
Reserve Bank and Treasury, and then he left the meeting.
Now the minute suggests he left the meeting early. I
had that confirmed. He did leave before he was meant to.
Did he leave quietly? Did he storm out? We don't know,
you know, but I don't think it is crazy for
it to be noted that there was a disagreement between
two departments.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
Yeah, it does in quite wild. Is it possible that actually,
is it possible that what Neil, what made Neil quickly
so upset is because he was in the meeting and
he knew how it went down, and and and any
kind of any kind of confirmation, even if it is
a mild confirmation, is not a great confirmation.

Speaker 1 (01:25:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:25:24):
Look, presumably, and I think at that time things were
really rocky. Like we know through other information release that
Adrian or raised his voice in another meeting with a
staff member from Treasury over this whole funding issue. You know,
Adrian thought the Brazerve beat needed a lot more funding.
So things were tense, and you know, as we've realized,

(01:25:45):
the way that the information came out was really vague,
so I you know, it just doesn't help. It's one
of these these situations where things obviously weren't great, but
it doesn't. It's almost like at the at this point,
the the cover up is worse than the crowd.

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
Ages ago, ages ago, though right it totally it jumped
the shark a long time ago. I'll tell you what's
fascinating is that he was angry that Treasury had even
kept notes, which I think is interesting. But also then
you have a look at the Director of Legal Services,
Nick McBride, who writes from the Reserve Bank to Treasury
and says even if the note tries to be quite

(01:26:23):
careful with its summary, recording such details of the discussions
and enclosing it would undoubtedly inhibit future expression of blah
blah blah blahlah.

Speaker 3 (01:26:31):
But he point.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
I mean, what he's basically made quite clear there is
that the version that we've got is a very tame
version of what actually went down.

Speaker 23 (01:26:40):
Well, I mean, I don't know it looks like it,
and you know, I don't I've never worked in the
public sector. I don't understand the risk of version that
there seems to be around these things. But historically there
has been tension between the Reserve Bank and the Treasury.
I can think of numerous examples of this, and you know,
it's healthy for there to be some tension between the two,

(01:27:00):
and there is tension between different government departments. I mean,
we've seen this recently with this whole banking inquiry competition issue,
where we had the COMMUSCE Commission say the Reserve Bank
should change its bank capital rules, and then Adrian will
say no, and then the Reserve Bank come back and say, Okay,
we will change the rules. So I don't really think
it's the end of the world now, Heather, I do

(01:27:22):
have some other news for you today. That's the related
to this. I've heard back from the Ombudsman this afternoon.
I was one of many people who made complaints about
the way the Reserve Bank had released information about Adrianaor's resignation.
The Ombusman has decided that, you know, the Reserve Bank
was in fact entitled to withhold the information it has,

(01:27:46):
but that there is an overriding public interest in the
Reserve Bank releasing a summary timeline of the key information requested.
So it sounds like we will get a summary timeline
of information. So we'll get a little bit more, but
not necessarily a whole lot more to answer the questions
which I had, which is quite honestly, why did he resign?

(01:28:08):
You know, did he choose to resign or was he
kind of push to resign?

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
Yep, well it was personal decision, don't you know, Jane.

Speaker 23 (01:28:14):
For the purpose, yes, And actually I should just quickly
credit Michael Riddell, who's the person who made these official
information at requests, and my colleague Jamie Ensall who wrote
about it for the Herald.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
Thank you for they Hey, listen, have a look at
this stuff and then let us know if there's anything
in it, do you I appreciate everything about this our
newdal tenacity here Jane tips Trainey, the Herald's Wellington Business editor. Interesting.
What I didn't mention earlier is that Nikola Willis has
had to disagree with Neil Quickley again. Nikola Willis told
The Herald she was aware of nick Neil Quigley's email.
I disagree with the views put forward by the Chair

(01:28:47):
because I think it's entirely appropriate for treasury officials to
take minutes of a significant government meeting. She said. I
don't know how many more times Nichola Willis can disagree
with Neil Quickley and yet retain him in the position. Yes,
it's bloody awkward, isn't it? Eighteen away from seven.

Speaker 3 (01:29:03):
Heather do for see Ellen Heather?

Speaker 2 (01:29:05):
The Ministry for Women should be scrapped because males are
so oppressed by females. We need a male's ministry. Do
you know I had this discussion in the House today.
Males are not oppressed by females. You are serviced by females.
You are welcome, we do everything for you. We are
we are oppressed by you. And that's the resentment that

(01:29:26):
you get from us where you feel oppressed. That's why
we get annoyed with you. Don't We don't need to
open this can of worms, do we. We don't need
to talk about how we do all the dinners, all
the washing, make all the beds. Decide it's towel washing day.

Speaker 18 (01:29:39):
Today?

Speaker 2 (01:29:39):
We decided, do you know what one time? Oh, I'm
going to earn so much trouble for this, I'm going
to do in so much trouble for this bugger it
Ministry for Women. I'm doing the work of the Ministry
for Women right now. I told Laura the German this,
and I forgot that. I told Laura the German this,
and I was having yet another winge about some other thing.
And she said to me, do you remember that one
time when the husband when you weren't at home and

(01:30:04):
he needed to do the washing, and he called you
up and he said to you, he said to.

Speaker 24 (01:30:08):
You, which one is the washing machine and which one
is the dryer? And that actually happened, and it wasn't
that long ago. I mean, to be fair, No, not
to be fair. No context, That's all I'm giving you.
Context is that we have only been living in this
house for two and a half years. And look, I

(01:30:29):
don't know a woman acquaints herself with the laundry within
the first day. I don't really know how long it
takes men to acquaint themselves with the laundry. But evidentally
not on the first day. And also, is it not
obvious to you which one like? Don't you look at
it and go this one?

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
This one looks like one that has water and it's plumbed.

Speaker 24 (01:30:49):
No, I mean to be fair, No again, not to
be fair, not to be fair, but thank god he
didn't just go for it and put the laundry detergent
in the wrong one least, which one's the washing we've
seen and which one's a tryer? Don't ever come at
me and tell me you need a ministry for me,
And okay, don't. What you need is a ministry for
being stupid. Sixteen away from seven.

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
Approaching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
It's hither dupiles Alan with the Business Hour and meys
for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions, news talks 'd be ah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
The texts actually one of the texts. I'm going to
come back to one of these texts. Fourteen away from seven.
Gavin Gray, UK correspondent with us. Now, hey, Gevin, Hi,
there have Devin so fill us in on this trial
of the asylum seeker.

Speaker 25 (01:31:35):
Yeah, so this sum is an Ethiopian asylum seeker who
had only recently arrived in the UK and while his
application was being processed, and of course we've reported before
about how long this takes, he's been put up in
a tax payer funded hotel in Essex, to the east
of London. But while it's there, it's alleged, and we've

(01:31:56):
been hearing in court now that he told two fourteen
year old girls eating pizza in a town center local
residents that he wanted to have a baby with them
and tried to kiss them. It all began, this said
proposition in the teenagers without any encouragement, after accepting an
offer of food from them back at the start of July.

(01:32:17):
Allegations of the incident went very, very very viral, led
to a wave of anti immigration protests and counter demonstrations
outside the hotel where he was staying in Epping, but
also around other hotels housing adult male single asylum seekers.
Now the man denies sexual assault, inciting a girl to

(01:32:39):
engage in sexual activity and harassment without violence, but opening
the trial, the defendant is said to was said to
have approached the girls who were sitting on a bench
eating the pizza, and made these inappropriate comments, inviting them
back to the hotel where he told them he would
like to make a baby. But suffice to say, when

(01:33:00):
these children went back to their parents, that's what led
to a great deal of local anger.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
Yeah too. Right now, how's Nigel Farage feeling about the
help that's been offered to him by the Taliban?

Speaker 25 (01:33:12):
Well, I think you'll feel absolutely emboldened at this point
in time this morning. So yesterday Nigel Faraj announced his
policy on what to do with the increasing issue of
mass illegal immigration into the UK via small voats across
the Channel. Now, Nigel Faraj is the leader of Reform UK,

(01:33:33):
a sort of upstart party. It's only got four MPs,
it's only been in existence a matter of months, but
it is leading the opinion post, smashing both the government
Labor and the previous government conservatives, both of whom on
this issue are proving have proved to be pretty impotent. Frankly,
and so Nigel Pharaohs is saying, right, we are going
to deport six hundred thousand illegal migrants if we're elected

(01:33:58):
to power. We're going to do that by striking deals
with countries like Afghanistan, Iran and Eritrea, who make up
the majority of those people crossing in small boats. We
will rip up and leave the European Convention on Human Rights,
which will enable us to do this. Now, critics said, yeah, yeah,
but you won't be able to get these deals with Afghanistan,

(01:34:20):
you won't be able to get them with Iran and Eritreya. Well,
I'm afraid to say for them. The Taliban have come
forward and said, actually, we might not be recognized as
a legitimate government of Afghanistan by the UK, but we
would be willing to talk to Nigel Faraj and would
give the money, any money that he might be giving
us to do this to support the returnees, insisting it

(01:34:41):
would be done with dignity. So all of a sudden,
now we're hearing that Labor, the current government is now
considering talking to Afghanistan, and you think, why wasn't this
done before if it's such a good idea, And that's
very much I think why in the opinion polls so
many people are now turning away from the government. Labor
and the previous government conservative too.

Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
Gavin, thanks very much, appreciated. Quite interesting that Nigel Faraj
Gavin Gray, UK Correspondent, heither can you start a lawn
mower now, Craig, let's talk about this MTE. I don't
have a lawnmower because I don't have a blade of
grass at my house. I live in the central city.
But do you know what I do have is a

(01:35:23):
really dicky door with a more Tea slock in it.
And the other day what happened is one of the
pins broke like that it wasn't working, so I disassembled
the door. It's an antique door. I took out the
antique more Tea slock and I disassembled that. It was
one of the pins that it broke, and it was
really annoying when that happens. So then I had to
go down to Bunning's and then I had to go
buy a new more Tea slock. And while it wasn't
a pretty good fit, it wasn't a total fit. What

(01:35:46):
it involved as a hell of a lot of chiseling.
I had to chisel the inside of the door out,
and then I had to chisel because the face plate,
and then I had to chisel the you know, the
and then I had oh and the you know, like
everything had to be chiseled to fit the new more
tea slock. But finally, after a couple of hours of
chiseling and fitting and so on, don't come at me
with do I know how to start a lawn mower?

(01:36:06):
Because we can have lots of conversations involving tools, Craig,
lots of conversations involving tools. Nine away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:36:13):
It's the Heather too for see Allen Drive Full Show
podcast on iHeartRadio powered by Newstalk zby Heather.

Speaker 2 (01:36:21):
That story would have been much better if you hadn't
repeatedly mispronounced mortise, which I did deserve, didn't I because
I was being a dick, Like, let's be honest about it.
I'm not above being a dick. And as the show
goes on, I think there is a proportionate there's there
is definitely like that. If you did it a graph,
you know, you'd find that there would be a relationship,

(01:36:41):
a proportionate relationship between the duration of the show and
the amount of dickness that you get from me.

Speaker 12 (01:36:46):
And I did.

Speaker 2 (01:36:47):
I did deserve to be pulled up on that. It's
pronounced mortis mortis, mortis, thank you, and apparently would have
taken a man fifteen minutes to do the chiseling. But no,
it wouldn't have. It wouldn't have because you didn't have
a three year old try to help you chisel. And
then I had to do mummy things as well, like
wrapp atowel around his hand and so that he could
hold the chisel and hammer without hammering his hand. I

(01:37:08):
know what a legend, But most importantly I know which
one is the washer and which one's the dryer. Now,
I said yesterday I would call my mum. My mum
was called my mom straight after the show and she answered.
She was like, I heard you helo la la la lol,
and she said, I never floss your teeth when you
were six months old. I said, fantastic, So did you

(01:37:29):
floss my teeth at? At what age did you start
flossing my teeth? Then, Mum, she said, I never flost
your teeth.

Speaker 21 (01:37:34):
Never.

Speaker 2 (01:37:36):
So the point of the story is to back up.

Speaker 3 (01:37:39):
This is all.

Speaker 2 (01:37:39):
This is the only evidence I've got right that with
my contention is you do not need to floss a
toddler's teeth, And really you don't need to start flossing
until we're actually able to follow instructions and hold thin
bits of string and actually brush out teeth. If the
toddler can brush, if a child can brush their teeth
twice a day without it being a drama and without
you having to go, no, you didn't do the back night, darling.

(01:37:59):
You didn't know. Let me help you. If we're past
that point, then we can start the flossing. My contention was,
you don't need to do it up to that point.
And I am case in point because I'm forty years
old coming up forty one, and I have no feelings
and my mum did not floss my teeth at all.
So there you go. It's a sample size of one,
but that's all I've got.

Speaker 26 (01:38:19):
And So high School by Taylor Swift to play us
out tonight, just the last bit of Taylor for today.
Congratulations to her and Trevis Kelcey on their engagement. This
song she actually made about Travis Kelcey basically, so high School,
you make me feel so high school, you make me
feel like a horny teenager, etcetera. Et No, she doesn't
say that, Well, no, it's the inference of what song's about. Yeah,
and apparently they are called the ultimate high school couple,

(01:38:42):
like you know, the ultimate like sort of captain of
the football team.

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
And so yeah, there you go. That's where they're going
with that. Did you get the teacher's thing? Did you
get that?

Speaker 26 (01:38:49):
I actually think everyone's overthinking it. Like your English teacher
and your gym teacher. He plays sports, she writes stuff,
you know, like that's what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:38:57):
Why are they teachers in this story?

Speaker 26 (01:38:58):
Well, I don't know, because English teach just write stuff
and Jim teachers play sport.

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
Makes sense to me. Why didn't they give an English
professor and Jim and football.

Speaker 26 (01:39:05):
Coach, because then they're not both teachers.

Speaker 3 (01:39:08):
I don't get it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:08):
Let's teacher, still don't get it.

Speaker 26 (01:39:10):
It's just it's just a clever little bit of word play.

Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
Anyway, as look, I'm sure Taylor will be thrilled to
have heard that. Ant said congrats, But you know, we'll
back it up and say congrats to the pair of them.
They are very cute together, and you know, who knows
it may be the start of a beautiful and long
term thing. He's hoping for them. Yeah, so much. I
want to say that I can't say about like how

(01:39:34):
people think that they're not a real relationship and just
a PR relationship, but you just go google that if
you want to see tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:40:28):
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