Full Show Podcast: 27 June 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand Let's get connected news.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show. Coming up today,
We're going to go to our court reporter who was
there for the Goals sentencing, the most common offense in
New Zealand last year. You might not believe it was
actually fraud. Will speak to the net Safe CEO. And
apparently multi vitamins. We're told ara raught, so we'll find
out about that from a nutritionist. Heather Duplicy Ellen, Well,
respect for the judge and the Goleras sentencing, because I

(00:37):
don't think any of us expected Golera's garment to be
slapped with a conviction as a first time offender, did we?
But that is what happened today. The judge declined the
application for a discharge without conviction. Instead she convicted Golera's garment.
She find her sixteen hundred dollars and then she added
court costs of two hundred and sixty dollars. So good
on the judge for that, because it's not often nowadays

(00:57):
that we're actually surprised by a judge being harsher that
we expected them to be. And when I say harsh,
I don't mean harsher than what is fair. Goldris was
a repeat shoplifter. She is a smart, educated, articulate, sophisticated woman.
She knew what she was doing was wrong. I think
a conviction was absolutely fair. I want to, though, deal
with the thing that keeps coming up in the Goldru's story,

(01:19):
which is mental health, either as an explanation or as
an excuse for her behavior. Now, somebody pointed out to
me today, and I reckon this is worth repeating to
you that Goldris's first offense was the shoplifting that she
did in Wellington. That was eight days after the general
election last year. Now that date is interesting because if
you know Goldris's story, you know that Goldris has repeatedly,

(01:40):
including in an interview that I'm going to play you
later on which's just done. She has blamed her behavior
in part on how hard her job as an MP was.
She said specifically because of the abuse and the threats
that she was getting very very regularly, and so as
a result, it led her to act up and she
went shoplifting. Now, as I say, Goalriz is smart and

(02:04):
she's worldly and she's educated, so surely if it was
getting so stressful that she was getting to the point
of self sabotaging through reckless shoplifting, it must have occurred
to her that she could end the stress herself by
simply quitting the job. And the date is material because
while she was in the throes of the stress, she

(02:24):
was literally given the outpoint, which is the election. She
could have said to the Green Party Listen, I am
so stressed out by what's going on in my life
right now that I'm gonna behave badly, and I think
the best thing for me to do is actually just
stand down at this election and not stand it's too hard.
But she made the call to stand again and then
eight days later she gaza goes out and nicked stuff.

(02:45):
If she realized, maybe only at that point after the election,
that she'd made a mistake and she shouldn't have stood.
There was a period of about two months before she
offended again in Scotty's in Auckland, where she could have quit.
She could have said, oh, man, you know what made
a mistake, list MP, I can quit, won't trigger a
by election, simply will be replaced by the next person
On the Green Party list, and there was another out

(03:06):
for her if she hadn't taken the first out. Now,
obviously I know that people suffering from mental health problems
don't always see escape routes out of their problems as
clearly as you or I might, or as they in
retrospect may be able to see it with hindsight. But
this is not hard. This is a simple one. The
job is incredibly stressful and upsetting. General election is about
to be had. Surely somebody goes, are you going to

(03:27):
stand again?

Speaker 4 (03:28):
Doras?

Speaker 3 (03:28):
And she goes, they must have had their conversation. So
surely an MP under that much stress would ask themselves
if they should quit and weigh that decision up. And
the fact that she decided to stand then blamed it
on her subsequent behavior just makes that explanation ring. I
don't know, little hollow ever, due for c Allen, the
interview she's given is actually with John Campbell from TV

(03:50):
and Z. You're going to want to hear it home,
won't play gibits and just to take it to eleven
past four. Now, the number of whistleblowers is apparently on
the rise over the last couple of years. The Chief
Onbardsman says he's seen a big rise in the number
of people making reports of serious wrongdoing in the workplace
and also of protected disclosures. Peter Bowsher is obviously the
chief Obardsman and with us now, Hey, Peter.

Speaker 5 (04:11):
Good afternoon here.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Though, why do you reckon it's going up?

Speaker 6 (04:15):
I think there are a couple of reasons. In twenty
twenty two the government knew that whistle blowing legislation needed
to be beefed up. So it's clearer now and I
think people can have more confidence than it. The other thing, too,
I think is that when you look back at Charby
Weinstein and the Me Too movement, there is a feeling
now that it's the right thing to do to bring

(04:37):
to the surface when there's serious wrongdoing, things such as
sexual harassment. I think there's more willingness to talk about
these things and to raise them.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Yeah, so almost a greater understanding that if you are
suffering or seeing the thing, it's not just you yourself
you're protecting, but it's others as well.

Speaker 6 (04:55):
I think that's right, and I think that the recent
case we've seen, it's just in the media yesterday and
today about the ben Z under lady who's had the
enormous courage to go through years of complaining about how
she was treated as a result of a whisper by
a complaint has recited justice from the Employment Relations Sociority.

(05:17):
I think that's really good. It's an indicator that although
this can be really hard and taxing and probably promoting anxiety,
in the end, it can be safe and you can
get justice.

Speaker 7 (05:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
I was actually going to ask you about that, Peter,
because the importance, obviously of the B and Z story
is that she made a protective disclosure and then B
and Z, instead of actually looking after her, started punishing
her for it. How often do you see that happening
in workplaces?

Speaker 6 (05:43):
Well, there is a retribution. You may recall the Joanne
Harrison case where she defrauded the Ministry of Transport and
the then public Service permissioner felt that the employees had
been freshed so badly that he initiated and inquiry and
the result that by Sandy Beatty was very critical of

(06:04):
the way that they've been treated. I think that's an illustration, Heather,
that this is an area where people do get actious.
Many won't make a complaint for fear of retribution. And
the real difficulty about that is that those who are
doing wrong continue to get away with us.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
What is it that people are complaining about.

Speaker 6 (06:25):
There are about three or four areas, and these are
the broad categories. I'll keep them brief. Financial mismanagement some
see those above them for a variety of reasons, not
managing money prudently. Then unsafe work practices. We see this
and you'll know from time to time various companies get
into trouble because accidents keep occurring with their employees and

(06:49):
other employees know that they're being put at ruth. Then
sexual harassment does arise. It's there, and so also the
lack of systems within agencies to deal with it. So
in number THO, I'm not only being sexually harassed, but
my agency has done nothing to help me.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
Peter, I don't know if you're going to like this.
I just got a text. I want to run this
by you. Somebody's text through saying COVID created a culture
of narks. What do you think?

Speaker 6 (07:22):
I have no evidence to support that at all. What
I would say is that in terms of whistleblowing and
people making disclosures in New Zealand, how we keep ourselves honest.
How we report those who perhaps stealing money and they
shouldn't be those that are mismanaging. How often are we
kind of known that unless someone who really knows what's

(07:43):
going on discloses it. But I don't think it's a
matter of nakens. It's a matter of being transparent in
some conduct that's appearing. It's just not the New Zealand way.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
Peter, thank you so much, always appreciate the work that
you do and giving us your time. That's Peter Bosher,
the chief onwardsman, Hey, this is the Oat Milk Company.
If you like oat milk, and frankly listen love. I
live in Ponsonbee. I don't drink dairy milk. I've done this.
I have become this person. I do not drink dairy
milk anymore. It happened about a month ago. I switched

(08:15):
to soy milk, and I've become that. My friends are embarrassed.
We go to the coffee shop and I'm like, hey, darln,
can I blieve a single shot pigeler blets just with
soy milk? Thanks very much. And I'm not even that
person at all. But if you hear my coffee order
you think I'm that person anyway, So now I'm just
going to be telling you all about all the plant
based milk ante so otis. The Oat Milk Company has
opened its first purpose built factory in Auckland. Up to now,

(08:38):
they're a New Zealand company. Up to now they've been
taking their oats here from New Zealand and then take
them all the way to Sweden for manufacturing. They said
it was basically because they wanted to safeguard their recipe.
They got the but for whatever reason, they've now decided
maybe that they can take the take the risk that
somebody's going to knark their recipe to everybody else. They've
got the factory running this month in Auckland. They reckon

(08:58):
in the first days they're going to have half a
million liters of oat milk and the New Zealand produced
milk will be hitting the supermarket shelves from first of July.
Thank god, because that was running out of soy milk.
I was starting to get worried. Sixteen past four.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c
Allen Drive with one New Zealand one giant leaf for
business used talks'd.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
Be Darcy water Grave sports talk hosters with me, what's
your coffee order?

Speaker 8 (09:23):
I have a flat white in a glass with no napkin,
no saucer and no spoon. I don't need any of that.
Just give me the drugs in a glass and I'm fine.
It's just excess dishes.

Speaker 9 (09:33):
You can tell.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
Do you realize that in the studio there are one
hundred percent of us who are just absolute word rhymes
with bankers.

Speaker 10 (09:41):
Wow, this is that?

Speaker 9 (09:42):
But say that coffee shop over the road scratch.

Speaker 8 (09:45):
I just call it a thing because I don't even
know what they know about you, and they know what
a thing is, so they just give me my thing.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
These were weird, the pair of us. Hey, so South Abline.
I'm surprised that this is their first ever Crinket T
twenty World Cup final.

Speaker 8 (09:59):
They've only one one in ten knockout game in World Cups.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
How is this possible?

Speaker 9 (10:04):
Because they choke, They've dropped World Cups.

Speaker 8 (10:07):
They've been rolled by New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
Their T twenty tournament paying.

Speaker 8 (10:12):
Off for them, the one they had at home.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
Yeah, the one that they come up again.

Speaker 8 (10:17):
They come up against Afghanistan, who I think had played
their final when they won against Australia and then they
beat New Zealand and they got rolled for at fifty
six man, so really really so Quentin the cot was
the only wicket, so they did it in ten overs easy.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Ye.

Speaker 8 (10:30):
Now they're waiting now for England the India and whoever
wins that will take on South Africa in the final.
And we know that the bcc i've got their fingerprints
all over. This tournament's basically their tournament. So the final
is going to be on a perfect viewing time for
the Indians. So I hope England will win.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
And what time is it for us?

Speaker 9 (10:48):
Are we going to tune in?

Speaker 11 (10:52):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (10:52):
So we've got the round of sixteen games confirmed for
Euro twenty four.

Speaker 8 (10:55):
Switzerland, Italy, Germany, Denmark, England, Slovakia, Spain, Georgia, France, bell In, Portugal, Slovenia, Romania,
Netherlands and Austria Turkey. They are the round of sixteen.
They're the last eight games of four. Things start getting sticky,
although now we're not worried about the third place and
the twenty four teams in unfold and the chaos of
trying to qualify.

Speaker 12 (11:15):
It's gone.

Speaker 8 (11:16):
Now we know when go through lose. Great, it's exciting.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Now really yeah interesting, Freddie, I'm.

Speaker 8 (11:23):
Going to join us start to seven o'clock to talk
about that because he knows more about football than I
know about coffee.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
Thank you, Darcy, appreciate it. That's Darcy water Grave. That's
sports Talk at seven o'clock this evening, four twenty one.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
The name you trust to get the answers you need,
Heather due to see allan drive with one New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Let's get connected and news talk as they'd be.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
Heather, just be careful with the swim all that you
don't switch off the enzyme in your stomach with having
no dairy. That's what happened to me when I was
advised to go dairy free by the Nature Path, and
now I'm dairy and tolerant. Chase Jan The decisions that
we make have such such massive Here, I was just
like liking the flavor of something, and now I'm worried
than I'm.

Speaker 10 (12:01):
I love sawy here the haters can hate favorite.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
It's nice. It's really nutty, isn't it.

Speaker 10 (12:05):
Yeah, yeah, tell you it's kind of the artificial sweetener.
They chucking it or whatever. It all that's what it is.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
That German sitting next to you said that the oat
milk is better to.

Speaker 10 (12:13):
Hear she's incorrect about that. She's entitled to her wrong opinion.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
Yeah, that's Jesus Auckland coffee wars. Geez, I mean, honestly,
please do not like you know, we're not really like that.

Speaker 10 (12:25):
We're not losing Heartland New Zealand here are no.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
No, you know, we're not like that. It's just it's
twenty twenty four. You know these if products are available,
you've got to don't don't knock it before you try it. Anyway,
listen to Australia has got a major inflation problem, right.
They've just got the number out for last month and
it's four percent. Now that's a problem because it was
three point six percent in April. Oh no, three point
five percent in March, three point six percent in April,
four percent last month, which means that the Wall Street

(12:48):
Journal is now talking about not just one hike in
the inflation rate, but a series of hikes with which
they are calling a flood, full blooded extension of the
tightening cycle that will be absolutely putting the fright is up.
The Australians We're gonna have a little chat about that
later on with Murray Old, who's with us shortly. Right now,
it's full twenty five. Here's the goal Risen to be okay.

(13:08):
So she's given an interview exclusive to John Campbell over
at TV and Z, which basically started with WTF, hold on,
what have I broken? Is it the soy milk? Is
it doing something to me?

Speaker 13 (13:26):
What the hell were you doing?

Speaker 14 (13:31):
And actually, I'm one of those people. I've asked myself
that well before January, and I.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
I'm as baffled as anyone.

Speaker 14 (13:40):
I just know what it feels like, which is just
deeply shameful and distressing.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
Then John Campbell reviews her shoplifting skills for her, I.

Speaker 13 (13:51):
Don't mean to be rude or make lighter, but you
are a shit shoplifter. I that's really a dismal shoplifter.
I mean Scottie's cameras everywhere, small room, people looking at you.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
You're wandering way. I was in there for like forty minutes.
It was like it it was.

Speaker 14 (14:08):
Bizarre behavior and there was no way you were going
to get away. But that's what self sabotage looks like.
It's not like you want to get away with it.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
Note to self. John Campbell thinks that if you want
to do the shoplifting, don't go to scott Is. It's
not the ideal place. The sad thing is it sounds
like her parents found out pretty much like we did,
which is through the media.

Speaker 13 (14:30):
You talk about your parents, how did you tell them.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
They didn't have to.

Speaker 14 (14:36):
So they'd already seen it, and it was yeah, all
they sort of instead of yell and ask these question,
was you know, bake and bring around groceries?

Speaker 2 (14:49):
And yeah?

Speaker 3 (14:51):
They sound like very good people, don't they Hither. I
don't think you can judge someone's mental health status where
you haven't experienced the same mental stress. Everyone is an
individual and they're going to respond in different way. Unless
you've walked in the exact path that that person has,
it's better not to judge or make comments. Linda, that's
the most batty thing I've ever heard. Literally, not one
of us on this planet today has walked exactly the

(15:12):
same path. Were you at Scratch Cafe today at two
o'clock with me? Oh no, that's because you didn't walk
Come on, be reasonable. Headline's next on your smart speaker
on the iHeart app and in your car on.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Your drive home.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Hither duper c Allen drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
And news talk as'd beastly.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
But I'll walk in the same path as someone. Doesn't
mean going to the same coffee shop, dumb tart, But
thanks John. I didn't know that I was trying to
make the point and made it really badly. The point
I was trying to wake is that make is that
you can't walk the same path as somebody, right, Like
nobody's life experience mirrors anybody else's life experience, Like not
even my brother's life experience mirror's mine. We grew up

(16:00):
in the same house with completely different life experiences. He
had different things happened to him that happened to me,
and then afterwards went off and did other things, and
I did other things, And do you know what I mean?
So if your ability to judge somebody's behavior as being
good or bad is based on having exactly the same
life experiences and walking the same path, and literally none
of us are in a position to judge each other,

(16:21):
including Judge June Jalous who sat in judgment of Goldry's garment.
Today it's a ridiculous argument. I think that there are
some things that we all agree mutually are like lines
that you cannot cross, and so therefore you can certain
judgment of others if those lines are crossed anyway, say
that being terrified that one day I'm going to be
sat in judgment off but it's entirely possible anyway. Wellington

(16:44):
City Council just need to get you across this. It
was really close, but Wellington City Council actually managed to
get there in the end, managed to pass its own
long term plan nine to seven. We've all been watching
that because if they didn't then there was a very
good chance of the Government would have to call an
intervention to bring in the Commissioners or at least very
least a Crown observer. That's now not going to happen.
We're going to speak to Counselor Nikau. We neared a

(17:05):
a is so opposed to the vote going through today.
He's with us after half past five, but also going
to play you shortly like a little bit of a
praiseie of what happened in that meeting, because it's Wellington,
so it was a shambles. Of course, it was twenty
three away from five, it's.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
The world wires on news Talks.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
They'd Julian Nassange has safety returned to Australia. He's been
reunited with his family. He's got two sons with his wife, Stella,
and they have never known their father as a freeman.
So this is going to take a bit of getting
used to. Stella says she's relieved that they finally get
some proper family time.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
They're alives until now.

Speaker 7 (17:37):
We're going to see their father in a high security prison,
not being able to play with him, show him around,
take him by the hand and you know, pull him
to the other side of the room. All these things
will change.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
Bolivia appears to have narrowly avoided a coup. Soldiers and
at vehicles unexpectedly took over the presidential palace in the
capital of La Paz, only to pack up and leave
a very short time later. A local journalist says the
president has launched legal action against the suspected leader of
the coup attempt and police have arrested him.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Soon you got the former commander of the army in Bolivia.

Speaker 15 (18:18):
Will being investigated and criminal proceedings will be initiated against him.
Because this is what happened today in Olivia is not normal.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
And finally, pop singer Robbie Williams has had a really
humbling experience. He was a little bit miffed because he
was walking through Hyde Park in London and absolutely nobody
came up to bug him for an autograph or a photo.

Speaker 16 (18:40):
I'm dressed completely in pink, I've got pink sneaks on,
I've got a Daimonte song busses. Absolutely nobody has recognized
me or has bothered me, and I really need them
to this in the nineties.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
Thankfully, poor old Robbie's go was saved with the passer
by ask him for a picture right after he left
the park.

Speaker 17 (19:03):
There you go, what's your name?

Speaker 2 (19:06):
French? Back in the game.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, Peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
At least he's a good saw day Murray Old's Ossie
correspondents with us AMAS. Good afternoon, Heather, so Julian as
Ange's back? Where is he?

Speaker 13 (19:28):
Look?

Speaker 18 (19:28):
He's lying low flew in last night. Wife and his
dad were their very big day of course for the family,
as we know success as many fathers, so many politicians
of both sides were lining up to put themselves collectively
on the back. Certainly a lot of work behind the
scenes by Kevin Rudd, who these days, of course, the
former Labor Prime Minister, is the Australian ambassador to Washington.

(19:50):
So there's joy that an Australian citizen, after a twelve
year ordeal, five of those years, as we know, in
a maximum security jail in London, he's out and he's
home accused of espionage threatening national security, is used of
treason or because he published those leak documents that basically
embarrassed the US government as a journalist, though he should

(20:12):
have been protected by the First Amendment of the US
Constitution governing freedom of speech. And there's a number of
people over here today he was saying that what happened
that the fact that he was eventually charged with a
relatively minor offense, flew to an American Pacific territory and
pleaded guilty to that minor charge, convicted, sentenced to time

(20:33):
already served. Has that now created a legal precedent? In
other words, can journalists in future be penned for exactly
the same thing, notwithstanding the fact there should be that
protection of freedom of expression. So let's just wait and
see the way that you know, which way the mop
flops and all of that.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
Yeah, interesting stuff. Listen, that inflation number must be freaking
you guys out. I mean, are you staring down the
barrel now of multiple rises potentially us.

Speaker 18 (21:00):
I'm saying four percent in the year to May. That's
a six month high and up from three point six
percent the previous month. And that's high. I can't expect,
no doubt about it. Housing, food, transport, alcohol, all the
essential food groups all went up. The big surprise for
economists who are now saying, as you correctly point out,
the Reserve Bank will have to increase the official cash

(21:21):
rate before Christmas, maybe as early as the first week
of August when the boarders meet next, and that's only
days after the next inflation data for the June quarter
comes out. There will be pressure on the raise the
official cash rate. The Reserve Bank wants inflation back down
between two and three percent. Four percent out of the question.

(21:42):
They're not going to let that stay there, and they
are trying to slow down the economy. So maybe just
what's the space?

Speaker 3 (21:48):
So is Bruce Lherman up for some legal costs?

Speaker 13 (21:51):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Well?

Speaker 18 (21:53):
I mean Channel ten has popped up in the federal
court today and said, I mean, look, his failed defamation
cost us almost well three and a half million dollars.
We're prepared to accept two million dollars as partial payment
for mister Luhrman. Well, good luck with that. He hasn't
got two brush tax to rub together. The Obviously, Luhman
sued Channel ten over that interview. He was defamed, he

(22:17):
said in an interview that Ten conducted with Britney Higgins
in which she alled she'd been raped in Parliament House.
So Lhman missed that he failed to prove that Ten
had defamed him. He's been ordered now to pay two
million dollars. Well, good luck doesn't have the cash. Lisa Wilkinson, also,
we understand, has now settled her dispute with Channel ten.
She wasn't happy with the legal team that ten had assembled.

(22:40):
She went out and hired her own silks. Well, that
bill came in at about one and a half one
point seven million dollars and Ten's now agreed to pay
half a million dollars of a legal fee. So that
means that she's up for over a million dollars herself.
It's a mess never been anything other than a mess vote,
and let's just hope we can draw a line under this.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Right, Mars, thank you very much, enjoy your weekend. Murray
Old's Ossie correspondent.

Speaker 19 (23:04):
Right.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
So, as I mentioned, Wellington City Council managed to get
their long term plan voted through today, but you know,
as you would expect, the debate was quite contentious. The
disagreements over the sale of the shares in Wellington Airport
was what was creating the rifts in the left wing block,
which is usually quite united. So it's probably not a
shock that during the debate the mayor and counselors got
on each other's nerves.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
So if the hopes the green was a left twig alto.

Speaker 20 (23:27):
And so can you keep it relevant to the debate totally?

Speaker 3 (23:30):
Is it's actually can you make a portal of order please, Sarah.
Then Councilor Rebecca Matthews of Labor made this impassioned plea
for civility.

Speaker 20 (23:38):
I do not want to be like that, and I
will continue to not be like that, and I will
govern responsibly according to.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
My values and not be to any of you.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
Honestly, Wellington, what is this trash? In the end, Mayor
Tory Faro had to lay down the law.

Speaker 20 (23:57):
Counselor, I'm going to ask you no, this is democracy,
and I'll actually ask the gallery to calm yourselves as well.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
And then with everyone brought into line, Tory got back
on with the business of democracy. And then she remembered
just in time, she's not actually supposed to tell everybody
which way to vote, even inadvertently.

Speaker 20 (24:16):
Okay, we're going to move to a vote, but we're
going to take one C first, so police vote for
one CE.

Speaker 4 (24:24):
Or against.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
I mean, come on, for the sake of Wellington, would
it not have been better if they failed to pass
their own long term plan and we got some grown
ups in there? We near the counselor. Niko Weenedra is
going to be with us after half US five Barriy
Soapers next sixteen Away from.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
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Speaker 3 (24:45):
Barry Soopowers and your political correspondence with us. Barry, Hello,
good afternoon. Hi, you got an update on the Darling
Tanna inquiry.

Speaker 9 (24:51):
Well, you know it's time to be an update. Wouldn't
you think it's been going on for well in a
couple of weeks time, it will be four months the
last bill that the tax par was told it would
have to pay or they would have to pay as
forty three thousand dollars, so you can imagine it's much
more than that now. But the update is that the
Bert inquiry that's the barrister or the solicitor who took

(25:17):
up the inquiry on behalf of the Greens, that has
now been complete and the parties that the Greens and
Darlene Tana actually have the report. Now they'll consider it
and then hopefully we'll hear something next week. Now, it
didn't come from the Greens. The Greens have been like
a brick wall on this thing. It's been very difficult

(25:41):
for them in terms of saying anything about it. The
Chloe Swarbrick's phones off the hook. But yes, that's the
good authority I have is that the report is complete
and hopefully we'll hear something next week as to what
will now take place.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
Okay, do you know for a fact it's coming out
out next week? How long do they have to respond
to it?

Speaker 9 (26:03):
Well, how long is a piece of string? You know
that they've got the report. They've mucked around for four
months now obviously their enquirer has come to some sort
of conclusion. So both have been presented with that and
the next week.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
Well next week, next week would suit them, wouldn't it,
because it's a recess week. That's right, very hard to
be able to track these various MPs down in the
Drug party.

Speaker 9 (26:32):
Yeah, so I would expect it.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
Next speaking of the Green Party, can Golra's garment if
she has been convicted, practice law?

Speaker 9 (26:39):
Yes she can. She can apply in two years and
it's really over to the law society to decide whether
she's a fit and proper person to be practicing law.
It was interesting today because you know, it had been
a journ the sentencing, and I think there was an
expectation that she might have been charge without conviction because

(27:02):
she is a lawyer. But I think the judge was
very realistic. I mean, this wasn't just one a one
off shoplifting. It was a spree, as the prosecution said.
So now in fact, she will spend the next two
years contemplating what her future is going to be. But

(27:23):
like you, I watched the interview that she gave to
TV and Z and I've got to say it was
a rambling sort of affair. It was a bizarre interview
where Garriman seemed to be talking about herself and the
third person. Have I listened to this bit?

Speaker 14 (27:35):
It was bizarre behavior. That's what self sabotage looks like.
It's not like you want to get away with it.
I mean, I don't know what I took. It's not
like you're going to get anything out of you know,
it is sabotage, but it's sabotage that hurts others in
my case, and you know, beyond the immediate victims being

(27:56):
the shop owners, it's hurting you know, political party that
I cared deeply about that I've been in for years
before I ever ran as a candidate.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
You know, my parents.

Speaker 9 (28:07):
And she also said in the interview that she Shotlifted
because she wanted to get out of politics. I mean
for goodness sake, because she essentially said she knew she
should be found out. Well, I would think for her
knowledge there would be easier ways to get out of
politics are going into a shop for ext and nicking
stone for example.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
The first offense that we're aware of, being the Creative
Works in Wellington offense is eight days after the general election,
a general election, she did not need to stand in
if she wanted to leave politics. Yeah, but hollow way. Anyway, Hey, listen,
I'll tell you what. How are you feeling about the
Trump Biden debate? Are you fizzing for it?

Speaker 17 (28:43):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (28:43):
I'm totally fizzing for it. It'll be for the political
tragics like me. It'll be on at one o'clock on
CNN tomorrow afternoon. Now, I got a email from Donald
Trump himself today, as he's prone to, said he's upgrade
upgrading me to a diamond Trump status. He said, basically,

(29:08):
you know you are the most exclusive group.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
And how much money are you giving him? Barry?

Speaker 9 (29:13):
He said, there are currently zero members and I could
be the first, and there's diamond club for Donald Trump.
But look, this will be the first time that because
I covered the election the first. It's a shrewd man
old Donald Trump, no doubt about that. But four years
ago was the last time these men have shared a stage.

(29:36):
The debate was something of a yelling match. Most of
your listeners will remember this short exchange.

Speaker 18 (29:41):
Vote Now in the fact that sure you in fact
let people know, Senator question, I'm not going to answer
the question because.

Speaker 9 (29:49):
The question the question left. I'll tell you what they've
installed now, and they did that was the first debate,
the second debate back four years ago, they had dump
buttons or sorry button mute buttons, and they're going to

(30:09):
have those for this debate tomorrow, so you won't get
that over talk well, you know, to an extended is.
But I'd actually like to hear what these guys have
got to say. I mean, Biden is now eighty one,
Donald Trump's seventy eight, two old codgers running for what
has always been said as the most powerful position in
the world.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
You just have to wonder what the world's come to too, right,
Barry Soopah, thank you seeing your political correspondent. Seven away
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For me? It's about community. So what does the community
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Speaker 21 (31:12):
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Maybe's Real Estate News Talk zb Hea.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
There isn't it amazing how quickly the Darlene Tana investigation
was wrapped up, only two days after the Green said
they were going to start paying for themselves. Isn't that
just so interesting? Have you to let the tags baya
bay bay bay ba ba ba baebee Now we're paying
stop stop stop stop, Rachel stop, can't afford you anymore.
We've got the old crime and Victim survey which has
just come out shows that our trust in the police

(31:40):
is continuing to fall, and we will talk about that
in the next half hour, but also that there's been
a significant rising crime in a couple of categories. One
of them is car thefts and then the other one
is online fraud, so you're not imagining the scams. Is
going to talk to the CEO of net Safe shortly.
He's with us just before we talk about the fact
that multi vitamins are apparently a raught. There's been a
massive study and they reckon it's so a nutritionist will

(32:01):
run us through that. You want a little bit more Goalers,
This is goal was saying that the Greens weren't really
supporting her properly anymore.

Speaker 14 (32:07):
I think the last time I felt fully, sort of
proactively supported was when Torey Farno was our chief of staff,
and I think as another woman of color existing in
that realm, you know, she was someone who would go

(32:27):
You said in the morning meeting that you've gotten two
more death threats, because I would, I'd just go, there's
too more with police this week?

Speaker 4 (32:36):
You just keep going.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
Didn't sound that's truthful. Was it just a couple more
with police? Yeah, not a big get. Do you know
what I mean? Like this, I feel like there's a
jarring thing going on.

Speaker 19 (32:46):
Ye.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
It was either so stressful you went shoplifting or it wasn't,
which is it? Anyway, We'll talk to the Herald reporter
who was there in court today shortly.

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Speaker 3 (33:14):
Golra's Garriment has been convicted for theft. She'd ask for
a discharge without conviction, but Judge June Jealous denied that application. Instead,
she was fined sixteen hundred dollars, which she was convicted.
Then she was fined sixteen hundred dollars, and then she
was ordered to pay court costs of two hundred and
sixty dollars. Herald reporter Craig Capitan was in court for
US High Craig, Hi, Heather, how are you very well?

Speaker 23 (33:34):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (33:34):
Did the judge say why she didn't buy the discharge
without conviction argument?

Speaker 24 (33:39):
Well, no she didn't in court. Actually she hasn't yet
released her full simencing notes, but she did say simply
that the statutory test.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
Are not the net the what sorry had not been met?

Speaker 23 (33:50):
Sorry?

Speaker 24 (33:51):
The statutory test all right, were her discharge without conviction?
And I know that's a bit of a legally, basically,
the law requires that caught the consequent that conviction needs
to be out of all proportion to the gravity or
seriousness of this fence if you're not going to have
a conviction. So the Crown had argued on Monday that
that wasn't the case. This is a serious repeat offending

(34:12):
involving significant breach of trust given her position of power.
And then the defense argued unsuccessfully, of course, that the
setbacks that would come with the conviction would be out
of all proportion to her defending, especially when you take
into account the mental health aspects of the case.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
What does this mean for Goldriz Garriman's legal career? Can
she practice law when she has a conviction like this?

Speaker 24 (34:32):
Well, that's really to be determined. Nothing is stopping her
from applying for a law license. Again, her lawyer did
argue quite insistently that a conviction does present a significant
hurdle to convincing the law society that she's spit to practice.
That the Crown noted that a conviction doesn't necessarily mean

(34:53):
she's automatically barred. The law society would have to look
at the whole picture like the judge should. The concept
basically if she is barred, it'll be because of her
own offending, not because of any decision that judge made
in court today.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
Does this prevent from going anywhere in the world She
can travel freely or not.

Speaker 24 (35:18):
Yes, she can move the country, although some nations like
a Canada and the United States do make it more
difficult for those with convictions to enter. She'll likely have
to fill out more forms, face more scrutiny than the
average traveler. So I wouldn't say she can travel freely,
but it's not an end to traveling.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
Yeah, it means now we know that she's done this
interview with John Campbell, and she's issued a statement to
another media outlet, but she otherwise has been stune right left.
Court said nothing, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 25 (35:48):
She did.

Speaker 24 (35:50):
Immediate asked for an affidavit that she had submitted to
the court, and she didn't put up an opposition to that.
So at some point we may get a little bit
more from her own words. But of course that's a
lot different than a media scrum where you're kicking questions.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
Yeah too, right, Hey, Craig, listen, thank you very much.
Really appreciated this, Craig Captain. The Herald's reporter who was
in court for.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Us ever do for Ellen.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
The latest crime and Victim survey is out. It shows
our confidence and trust and police are still falling. It's
revealed one hundred and eighty five thousand kiwis experienced violent
crime in the last year and there's been a significant
rise in crime in two categories car thefts, but also
online fraud. Brent Carry is the CEO of netsafe.

Speaker 24 (36:29):
Hey Brent Hey, Heather.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
Apparently ten percent of us experienced fraud in the last year.
Is that number real?

Speaker 15 (36:36):
Yeah, one in ten and certainly we're getting twenty percent
increase in scam reports to net safe, So it's a
growing crime.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
I mean when you say fraud, I'm imagining getting scammed
out of a whole bunch of money. Is that it's
got to be more than that. It's got to be
smaller than that to be that many people.

Speaker 15 (36:53):
Right, Well, I think that's right. I think people now
know how to spot a scam more and are reporting
it more. We want them to report even those low
level scams because that's that is fraud.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
So what kind of fraud is caught up in that
big number.

Speaker 15 (37:09):
I think all types of deception crime, all types of
advertising scams, impersonation scams, romance scams. All of those are
caught up in that reporting number.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
Given it's so big, and given it is increasing at
the rate that it is, are we taking it seriously enough?

Speaker 15 (37:29):
Well, we think that the government should do more here
and recording on the governments create an anti scam center
so that we can all get a handle on this
growing international crime as well, reports of sextortion, reports of
victim crime online is just growing as more and more

(37:49):
people are online shopping and online.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Yeah, because at the moment it's been run out of
a division of the police, isn't it.

Speaker 15 (37:57):
So there's little number of agencies that all tackle fraud.
And what we want to do is coordinate and create
an anti scam center that's backed by government that can
take these types of reports and get a handle on
the trend.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
Brent, thank you very much, appreciate it. Brent, carry net save.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
CEO Heather do for CLA.

Speaker 26 (38:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
My bet is that once Darline gets the boot, Torri
Fano gets the not having recently rejoined the Greens. Well, actually,
you have got to be wrong on that. And the
reason you've got to be wrong on that is because
as we were just mentioning before the long term plan
for the Wellington City Council was passed today and in
doing that, Tory Faro was one of the people, one
of the nine counselors who voted for the sale of

(38:38):
the airport shares. Now the Green Party opposes the sale
of the airport shares and there was a threat earlier
this week that they want to block anybody who voted
for the sale of the airport shares. Was what Tory
Fano did from standing on a Green ticket again. Now,
whether that was just like a view that was held
by a few nutters in the Green Party or a
widespread belief in the Green Party, No, but there's another

(39:01):
Green councilor Niko we near it, who's going to be
with us after half plus five. We'll ask them that question.
So I don't know. I don't know that Tori is
a shoe in for a Green MP just at the minute,
got a little bit of bad economic news for you. Unfortunately, BMI,
which is an international research group, has just lowered its
prediction for what GDP growth is going to be like
for New Zealand in the next year, like over the

(39:22):
year that we're in the calendar year twenty twenty four.
They were thinking it was going to be one point
two percent. They have now dropped that to one percent.
Now one point two down to one is like, you know,
it's not huge. It's significant though, because anything, frankly at
the moment, will take anything we can get. They are
saying weak growth in the first quarter indicates that the
domestic macroeconomic environment may be facing more challenges than anticipated.

(39:48):
And the reason that that is significant them doing this
is because we are undiscrutiny at the moment from the
ratings agencies who are looking at us very very closely
to see if they need to be dropping us. And
you don't need this kind of stuff going around at
the minute. Fourteen past five, Yeah, the confidence in the
police is actually on the increase. Most people admit they've
seen them actually out doing their job in the last

(40:08):
six months more so than in the last six years,
which actually is a fair point from Roy. But no,
unfortunately the numbers say it's on the decrease. I'm going
to run you through that shortly. We'll do it before
this half hours through coming up seventeen past five. Now,
apparently multi vitamins are a bit of a rut so.
According to a new study out of the US. The
study looked at about four hundred thousand generally healthy Americans

(40:30):
over twenty years found that multivitamins did not help them
live any longer, and actually daily multi vitamin usage was
associated with a four percent higher risk of mortality. Nicki
Heart is a nutritionist in with US. Now.

Speaker 19 (40:40):
Hey, Nikki, Hey, Heather, how are you doing.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
I'm good? Thank you? Do you take them?

Speaker 2 (40:45):
No?

Speaker 3 (40:45):
Why not at all?

Speaker 19 (40:47):
Well, I just think it's like hope in Ajar and
I think that's what people are using it for. They
think it's magic, and I think it can. I think
it's extensive, Heather. You know, in this time and age
where food is, you know, Chris to everybody's health and
well being. I wouldn't spend my money on a vitamin.
I just wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
Do You really believe, though, that people are more likely
to die, which is the sort of suggestion from this
because they take multi vitamins.

Speaker 19 (41:12):
I think what's actually happening is that if you have
a condition, you think that by taking a multi vitamin
it's going to make things better. So perhaps you are
taking a multi vitamin and you are already unwell to
maybe half of these diabets.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
Is it's also is it also possible that you start
taking multi vitamins and thinking you don't need to eat
your spinach, and then as a result, you die earlier.

Speaker 19 (41:35):
And you know, I think that's half the problem is
that we talk in macro and micro nutrients, but I
don't think we realize or we need to explain to
people that food is a matrix. For example, when we
think of bread, we only think of carbohydrate, but actually
there's protein there, There's vitamin B, vitamins, you know, there's
lots of things in it. We've got to actually stop

(41:55):
breaking it down into micros and macros and actually talk
about food being the best option because there's things in
it that are more than just a multi vitamin.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
Okay, So I can throw a multi vitamins away and
just keep eating all my food. As long as I'm
eating a healthy diet, I'll be fine.

Speaker 19 (42:10):
Well, unless you actually have a diagnosed deficiency. So there's
a couple of things where I think we need to
be cautious. Like if you are a menstruating female and
you are playing a lot of sport and you don't
hit a lot of red meat. If you have a
blood test and you figure that you're deficient, then yes,
an iron supplement prescribed is important. But just taking vitamins

(42:32):
willy nilly, is actually not that great. In fact, we
know that if you take large amounts of zinc it
can cause a copper deficiency. So just taking things is
actually not a great way to do it unless you
have a diagnosed deficiency.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Hey, would you, Nikki, would you take a little bit
of vitamin C through the winter, just to keep it
up a little bit?

Speaker 19 (42:50):
I'd rather eat a Kiwi fruit, just.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
One Kiwi fruit today and you're happy ass Well.

Speaker 19 (42:55):
We know there was a study done during COVID and
it was due to lockdown and children not coping for
you well, and we found that two Kiwi fruit today
not only improved their sleep, but improved their general health
and their mental health and their well being.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
I'm going to shove it in the face when I
get home.

Speaker 19 (43:09):
I would yeah, exactly. Just you know what, it's not
that hard. We just I think we spend our money
on vitamins when in fact, actually I would rather you
save that money and buy food.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
Good from you, Nikki. Thank you very much, Nikki. Heart
nutrition us here she had me at it makes the
baby sleep better? Like you one Kiwi fruit a day,
do you sit them at the table and be like,
maybe cookie It not until you eat that Kiwi fruit
will have a standoff. A bit of disappointing update for
you on a situation because the Greens are just you know,

(43:41):
winning at the moment. Guess what Chloe's been doing again.
Guess what she did today?

Speaker 7 (43:45):
Listen, And that's really all I have to say, if
I know, I'd just like to close off with some
words that.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
They have tried, really.

Speaker 7 (43:53):
Bloody heart to take out of my mouth and the
mouth of many others.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
Run the river, do the same, the same.

Speaker 6 (44:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
So remember how she was busted doing that last year
at the end of the year, and then in November
everybody gave her a hard time over it had to
do all the interviews, and then she apologized to those
who have felt offended, and we all said, that's not
a real apology, Chloe, you're not really sorry. Well guess
what she wasn't really sorry, because she's done it again.
And just in case you remain to this day weirdly

(44:29):
blissfully unaware of why this is offensive, it's because it's
widely considered to be a call to either wipe out
the Jewish people all together, which is genocide, or get
rid of the state of Israel. So either way, not
really cool from Chloe to be doing it again. So
next time Chloe does an apology, just make sure she
does a proper apology, because here you go is your example.

(44:50):
Five twenty one.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Heather Duplicy Ellen cutting through the noise to get the facts.
It's Heather Duplicy Allen drive with One New Zealand to
get connected and news talk as they'd be.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
Five twenty four Listen on that crime survey which we
were just talking about before. I have to be honest
with you. I feel sorry for individual police officers who
have to have a look at the survey and think
that this is what we think of them, because I
think it's clearly not a reflection of how we feel
about the police officers that we confront and meet on
a day to day basis or whenever we do. Because

(45:22):
eighty three percent of us in the survey say that
the police act professionally. But the figure that they will
be looking at and feeling upset about is the fact
that only two thirds of us now say that we
have trust and confidence in the coppers. I don't think
that's a reflection on individual police officers. I think that's
a reflection of two things, our trust and confidence in
the police commissioner and the direction that he set the

(45:45):
organization in, and our trust and confidence in the cops
actually turning up when we need them. Now, the police
commissioner we've talked about, right, you know what the problem
is that it's basically him telling his officers to facilitate
gang convoys even if they act up, rather than cracking
down on them. It's police by consent, which really to
the public came to me and basically waving crime through
and being soft on crime. That stuff has now largely

(46:07):
been fixed. I mean, I think unfortunately he will always
be a problem for the organization, but it's been fixed
because the new government has told to pull a socks
up and he is obviously going a lot harder now.
But the other problem I think is a little harder
to fix, and that is the lack of trust in
the fact that the cops are going to turn up.
I mean, there was a case this past weekend. I
don't know if you saw it, family and Coatsville woken

(46:27):
up at three and by a lunatic who drove through
the gates of their driveway, drove up to the house
and started trying to get in, trying to basically break
into his house, into their house at three in the morning.
They freaked out, as any of us would. The mum
had the kids in a safe space, told them not
to come out under any circumstances, and then put a
bed in front of it to try and protect them.
Imagine how scary that is. The parents then themselves armed

(46:50):
themselves with a knife and a bat, called the cops
and had to wait for forty minutes for the police
to turn up. In a situation where a guy is
actively trying to get into the house. Now I think
that that, I mean, that freaks me out right. That
would freak many of us out. And it makes you
wonder if the cops are going to be there when
you need them, or how long you're going to have

(47:10):
to wait. And how many stories have we heard now
of the police not investigating burglaries because they're too busy,
not even turning up because they're too busy, not going
to get the e bike back when the tracking device
tells the owner exactly in which house this bike is,
who's nicked it? Not going to that either. Now that
is not the fault of police officers. I mean that's
the fault of an organization that just frankly doesn't have
enough people, doesn't have enough warm bodies, does it and

(47:33):
getting those warm bodies and actually takes a really really
long time to fix, but they need to fix it.
They need to fix it. Or the seventy four percent
trust in twenty twenty one becomes sixty nine percent trust
in twenty twenty two becomes sixty seven percent trust last
year because less and then becomes less than two thirds,
much much less than that next time we do the survey.

(47:53):
Not the fault of the officers, but the fault of
the people who are running the place.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Really, Heather duplic Ellen to talk to.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
The Wellington City councilor who's a greenie who hated what
happened today, which was at the long term plan went through.
I mean, I suppose they should be happy that they're
going to keep their jobs. But he's going to be
with us shortly just after the headlines which are coming up.
You'll have seen the news actually today it's got a
lot of people talking. Cadbury has stopped making these chocolate
fish the twenty gram versions. You can still get the
little ones in the favorites boxes, and you can still
you know, if you want to sholl out a bit,

(48:21):
we'll get the Queen Anne ones with the like really
soft gooey stuff in the middle and stuff anyway, but
still significant that the chocolate fish's fish fish are being
ended because that was the reward. Do you remember back
in the day, They're like, you do well and you
get a chocolate fish.

Speaker 4 (48:34):
So what are we doing now?

Speaker 3 (48:35):
What's the reward that if we're not giving chocolate fish
out to the kids and frankly sometimes even your colleagues
just for trying a little bit, what are we doing?
It feels like a real loss, doesn't it? Headlines next
it is beautiful?

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Says it.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Hard questions strong opinion Heather due for see Ellen Drive
with One New Zealand Let's get connected and news talk
sid Be.

Speaker 9 (49:00):
When you're playing some boy he's drinking night, you think
him about me.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
When you're riding where he's driving though, you here's last
damn it, Sammy.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
Like the huddle's standing by after six o'clock. We're gonna
have a chat to the AA because Simeon Brown, the
Transport Minister, has confirmed that the cost of your regio
is going to go up. The fuel tax is going
to go in Auckland, the roads of oh well, this
fuel tax is going to go up. In general, it's
the exos fuel tax later on and the roads of
significance are likely to be told. All stuff that when
you was coming but has just been confirmed. And I
think he's also confirmed and defended the cut in the

(49:32):
cycle lane budget, so that should get some people quite
worked up. Heather. We give people a kiwi fruit instead
of a chocolate fish, that's disappointing. Hither we give out
buzz bars, Heather, instead of chocolate fish. My work gives
out high five cars, comes with the free coffee, absolutely sorted.
My work actually incidentally gives you a colorful lanyard. I
didn't even realize this until yes, of course I've got

(49:54):
one of them. Of course I've got one of them.
You get what's your color? Ants?

Speaker 10 (49:57):
I don't have a lanyard anymore, Heather, Sorry.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
What's your what's Laura's color? She got green? It's like
a black she is you got black lanyard? And then
the color. This is pathetic, isn't it? The color that
you have your zed Me, This is a company we
work for. The color of nzed Me tells you whether
you're a champion or not. So Laura's just got boring
old jade. It's just like nothing. If you've got a

(50:21):
blue or a purple or a pink and nothing, what
you want is the yellow, like me, because that means
it's gold. You're a champion. That's what we get. I
would just like to remind the CEO that I don't
want any of this stuff. I don't want to buzzbar
and I want to care for it. I don't want
a lanyard, I don't want chocolate fresh. I want to
pay rice. That's all we want. We want the dollars
a twenty three away.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
From six together do for ce Ellen.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
Wellington City Council has dodged government intervention in the shape
of commissioners because they managed to pass their long term
plan today, which included selling the council's shares in Wellington Airport.
Now that wasn't without some pretty hefty opposition. A Green
councilor Nico we Near tried to force a second vote
on the airport sale yesterday he wasn't successful. Labor Councilor
Ben McNulty had another go at that today the Mayor

(51:01):
overruled him.

Speaker 20 (51:02):
I am going to rule out this amendment out of
order understanding Order twenty one point ten if as it
would negate a motion carried at a committee meeting under
its delegated authority. Not are the decision that we made yesterday.
If I could ask counselors to calm yourselves, this is
my writer's chair.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
Niko whu near is with us? Now? Hey, Nico, how
are you? I'm very well, thank you. How are you feeling?
You must be disappointed.

Speaker 12 (51:31):
Yeah, look, it's a bit of a kick in the gut, say,
but you know you got to turn up to the
office in the morning, so what can you do?

Speaker 3 (51:37):
Were you happy to tank the long term plan? Was
that the aim to tank the long term plan in
order to stop the sale of the airport chairs.

Speaker 12 (51:45):
No, And in fact there was a vote that I
took with some pretty great reluctance because there is actually
some solid stuff in the rest of the plan. It's
just unfortunately predicated on one ginormous transaction which I feel
to be really, really wrong.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
What's wrong with it?

Speaker 12 (52:00):
Well, first of all, it's throwing away one of the
very few revenue streams we actually have a council that
isn't just your rates for example. You know, local government
is pretty constrained and ways to actually get money to
do stuff, and the airport is one of the very
few angles we have to do that. But even more
than that, on a general principle, we shouldn't be selling
public assets, particularly ones that are natural monopolies in the

(52:22):
sense that there's only one airport and it also provides
a pretty good return.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
Now it's notable that you were in the Green Party
and the Green Party agrees with your position, which is
not to sell the airport shares. The mayor is in
the Green Party and did the opposite. Is the Green
Party angry at hurt?

Speaker 12 (52:41):
Well, I think the first thing, as we're saying, is
we're in a slightly different position because there's what's called
a big G and a little G. So I've gone
through a formal endorsement process and currently hold a Green
endorsement as part of my role as counselor, whereas the
mayor is not in that position. So we're subject to
slightly different there so yeah, I would say it's yeah,

(53:03):
that's right. So there's there's quite there's quite an active
discussion amongst us Green ears at the moment as to
what the situation is.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
Is that active discussion including a possibility of blocking all
of the counselors who are aligned with the Green Party
who voted for the airports shares sale from ever standing
on a Green Party ticket again.

Speaker 12 (53:24):
I mean, I got you know, I go to work
with these people in my colleague, so I won't speculate on.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
To speculate, just tell us what's happening.

Speaker 12 (53:33):
Well, I'm not aware of anything like that.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
I'll come on, Nico. Don't you read the papers. It
was in the paper two days ago, if not yesterday,
saying that the Green Party was talking about possibly blocking
standing on the ticket again.

Speaker 12 (53:46):
I actually, I genuinely have not seen that. But what
I will say is that's a process we take at
election time every year. We don't tend to mess with
people in the middle of terms. So I'm not aware
of anything like that. Haven't seen the paper today. I've
in meetings, so yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
Okay, what about Jordie Rodgers and Lori Foon, both of
whom are greenees as well who voted for it. Are
I going to be in trouble?

Speaker 12 (54:10):
So Jordy voted with me on the thirtieth of May meeting.
He's against the sale of the airport. Lo Fun felt differently.
She has her own reasons and she's entitled to exercise them. Ultimately,
it's up sorry members a.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
Do you think it's time to call in the commissioners
or a Crown observer.

Speaker 12 (54:29):
I'll say two things on that, so I guess the
first thing is that it's a pretty high bar. You
basically have to be non functional as a council for
the government to take that step. I think it's also
worth saying that the Minister has not really made any
noises about that until he was prompted by quite keen interviewers.
The other thing I would say is, you know, if
you get rid of your democratic accountability, you're still left

(54:52):
with basically the exact same people running the council, except
you just plunk in some unlinked bureaucrats to run the show.
I don't think that's good for n any one. I
think you basically need democratic accountability of some kind, and
I think most people around the table would agree that
our job is to keep an eye on how the
council is run and make sure everything's you know, doing
well and to the account to the public.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
Who are these keen interviews you're talking about?

Speaker 12 (55:17):
I can't remember it was. I think the mail was on. No,
I thought some of them was on. H oh, I
remember Cole stop.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
At Nico, he was on this show. If give me
the credit for God's sake, jeez, not reading the papers,
not listening to the news, to the radio. I don't
know what to do with you. Nico. Thank you. I
really appreciate time as always, mate. That's Nico. We near
a Wellington City councilor so. I was phishing? A was
chocolate fishing, wasn't I?

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Speaker 1 (55:54):
Hell?

Speaker 3 (55:55):
Are you too?

Speaker 25 (55:56):
There?

Speaker 3 (55:56):
You go very well? Thank you now, Mike. I was
surprised that Goal has got convicted, were you?

Speaker 19 (56:04):
No?

Speaker 17 (56:05):
I wasn't surprised. No, I wasn't surprised.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
I thought that.

Speaker 17 (56:09):
I thought in the end, the course and the judge
handled it very well, and I thought they struck you know,
that they struck it right in terms of the conviction
and the fine and the penalty. Uh, he goes here
in mind that he did paid guilty, that she took
responsibility immediately for her actions. You know, it was quite

(56:29):
it was quite a significant theft of good women. So
so I think I don't think many people would have
expected her to escape, you know, a conviction on this occasion.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
Bill, How do you feel about her blaming the pressure
of the job for what she did.

Speaker 25 (56:46):
Lots of people blame the pressure of the job for
what they do, and they blame their upbringing and they
and sometimes those things are entirely appropriate to blame or
to pay attention to. And in her case, sounds like
she was facing some pretty ugly threat some some nasty
stuff that was going on. But at the end of
the day, her offending was was pretty significant over three occasions,

(57:08):
and you know, I think I think justice was done today.
If the judge had said, well, because of all these
other things, we're not going to discharge with that conviction,
I think the public would have said, how does the
justice system work? Again, a young Mari woman, you know
versus goal is you know, so I think the judge
had to balance all of that, and I think I
think the judgment possession a fair one of the circumstances.

(57:28):
And I think most of much of the bubble well
fair enough. It looks like MPs are treated like everyone else.
I think they were sensible.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
Yeah, I think, Mike. Actually, because the judges come under
a lot of criticism for you know, for good reason.
It's actually a pleasing surprise to see a judge handown
a sentence that you actually want to see handed down.

Speaker 17 (57:44):
Right. Yeah, I think that fight and really what Jil
said that you know, the public outcry working quite significant.
It means allowed to go free today. But I think
you do have to look look at her back round
and her life and Dora was herself is seen and pass.

(58:04):
Her life was shaped by one of the most repressive
regimes in the world. She arrived here as a nine
year old. If you achieved them around, she was a
child of silence, said basically, and she sort of turned
her life around and became an international human rights lawyer
and an EMP. But but there's no doubt. He's in
a lot of stress in her life, and she had

(58:27):
a medical diagnosis to show that she had this previously
unrecognized trauma. And we've got a remember two that she's
living with ancleporesis diagnosis, which would have had it like
a speech in a few years ago. So there's a
lot going on in the life as.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
Yep. The fair point on the ms actually come back
to you guys, and just to take it's quarter to two.

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Speaker 3 (58:52):
Back to the huddle Forller Raleigh and Mike Monroe. Phil,
why do you think that the trust in police is falling?

Speaker 25 (58:58):
Ye, it's interesting matter, I should say. Looking at the numbers,
it looks it's still pretty high. It's not as though
that people don't trust the police. But Gie, it's dropping
quite quickly, as we said, And I actually think that's
because the felt experience of people. In other words, I
see someone doing some bad stuff and they seem to
get away with it. It's usually at quite petty crime level.
It might be people, you know, running a red light

(59:22):
not caring about it. It might be someone kicking someone on
the street, so relatively low level stuff and they're not
seeing the police react. And I think it's that sort
of visible street policing, neighborhood policing that people don't see.
I think that's that's what's getting and that's what's getting
in the way. I think that's what's contributing to lessening trust.
So I think the right strategy by the police is

(59:42):
now being carried out where they are focusing on some
of those things, more visible policing, if you like.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
Yeah, totally agree. I mean should it should be helped
a lot, like I imagine by having the beat police
and coming back, which was announced I think this week
or last week. But they're going to need more cops, really,
aren't they.

Speaker 17 (59:57):
Well, yeah, and we can't have a big policeman outside
every all spoil, every gully, every dairy, every jewelry stort
around the country side. Look, I think the thing here
is that we get to see the diet through our
television screens. I'll be depressing pictures about what's happening out there.
We saw that forty de night of that poor guy

(01:00:18):
attacked with a hand on juries from a hawkmand I
mean these things really distress people, and they're coming at
us all the time, you know, through these ram rage
and violent robberies. And I think the cops are sort
of getting the backlash of that. People are saying, well,
look like the cops do something about it. There's only
so many policemen and while putting some more back on
the beat, there's a good idea. We simply cannot put

(01:00:39):
them everywhere to stop the crimes that people are really
concerned about.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
No, that's fair, but more will always help one day.
Hey and listen, both of you are Wellingtonian. So Phil,
are you relieved at Wellington City Council passing the long
term plan or were you secretly wishing that actually you
might get some commissioners.

Speaker 25 (01:00:54):
Were Show's a bit of twistion in between it that maybe,
you know, commission the Green councilor who you just had
on before we came on was an illustration of the problem.
With the greatest respect. So he says that he follows
all the Green Party's recommendations and stuff. In other words,
he's not really listening to my view, he's not really

(01:01:16):
listening to people who might have a view. He's just
taking some instructions from somewhere and voting accordingly, and that's
part of the problem. I think when you get politics
involved in local government, what I'd hope is that people
are elected by people here in Wellington, they'd be actually
reflecting the views of the people that they represent. And
I just think this is the start of the ten
I think there's going to be further sort of into

(01:01:37):
niceeing warfare. And I think, you know, Tory foind out,
good for her for standing up and selling those shares.
I think it was the right thing to do. But
you know, it's just you're going to see this warfare
carry on now. And I have no faith that the
City of willing To will be any bit of governed
in a year's time that it is now.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Do you have that faith? Mike?

Speaker 12 (01:01:56):
Yeah, Look, I.

Speaker 17 (01:01:57):
Think that you know, I in city, like cities country,
are under enormous pressure because of our company infrastructure and
enormous problems, and the cities have to find the money
in an other ways other than just bumping up rights
of the year by watering sums. So I think that
was probably the right call in the end. That's all

(01:02:17):
the council Cheerholding has worked about two hundred and eighty
million ares, I understand might be a bit more than that.
And the money is going to go into a perpetual
investment fund. And that's a good idea because you know,
the investment costing and enormous over the decades ahead. So look,
I think that maybe the right call. I wouldn't take
this call about all these musterings about a commission of

(01:02:39):
being brought in very seriously. I don't think they and
Brown wants to do that. I think it what's the
councilor to get on and you know, with the important
business of building the feet Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
Too right, Hey Mike, well I've got you have you heard?
Have you heard musterings though within the Labor party that
they want to punish the Labor counselors who voted through
the long term plan or for the airport airport share sales.

Speaker 17 (01:03:01):
I didn't haven't punished, but I know that there's you know,
there's different views in the labor camp about this. Yeah,
well within the left camp generally, because with a green
meal of course, is you know, spearheading for sale. No, look,
I don't think so. I think that people want to
see the councils of get on with rebuilding the social
infrastructure of our cities. They want to get on with

(01:03:24):
the business of fixing up our three waters infrastructure, which
has taken about one time and ear before right now,
and I think they'll look back on this decision this
week has been a stephened direction.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
Yeah, I think it was the right call in the end. Actually, guys,
thank you very much. Mike Monroelo Ralier huddle this evening,
seven away from.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
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Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
There aren't the Green councilors who voted to sell the airport.
She has already punished because they're a remain members of
the Green Party, which is yeah, well you're being surrounded
with all the idiots in the Green Party at the
moment as a punishment in and of itself, I would
agree with that. There is a little bit of news
for the farmers today which I think is kind of
a step in the right direction. The government has announced

(01:04:16):
the people who are going to be doing the review
into the methane target. Right now, if you've been Following this,
this has been a subject of some contention. The methane
target is I think said to be like I think,
I think it's legislated that they have to reduce methane
somewhere between twenty four to forty seven percent in the
next twenty six years or something like that. In Federated
Farmers has commissioned some some research I think it was

(01:04:37):
out of Oxford which suggested that is like miles too high,
like way way way too high, and so they've called
into question whether that is actually fair. So the government
had said, yep, we're going to we're going to take
another look at it. That was contentious in and of itself.
They have appointed, though, a couple of people to it
who have some real credibility. So one of them is
a former climate change commissioner who's also a farmer, Nikola Shadbolt,

(01:05:00):
and another one is the climate change academic David Frame,
who I think maybe from Victoria University of Wellington, I
don't know, I don't remember which university's from. But regardless,
he has also got credibility. This is his level of expertise.
It's basically a climate change academics. So how can you
argue with these people. So anyway, we're going to talk
to Federated Farmers. They will be with us after half

(01:05:21):
past six and just give us their take on that
just a little then. Yet from within Wellington City Council,
apparently Tim Brown, now Tim Brown is a counselor who
voted for the airport shares and for the long term plan.
Apparently he turned up today with jars of Cranberry source
to give to the seven counselors who voted against the

(01:05:42):
long term plan because they are like Turkey's voting for Christmas,
which you'd have to say is an excellent sense of
humor and somewhat would have broken the ice. Well done, Tom,
well done, because it frankly got a little heated in there.
So anyway, well down to bring the tone right down.
The aax Z B.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
Keeping track of where.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
The money is flowing with the Business Hour with Hender Duplicy,
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Speaker 10 (01:06:21):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
Even in coming up in the next hour, Federated Farmers
is going to talk us through whether they like the
cut of the panel who's looking into the methane target.
Liam Dan on the downgrade by the International Group of
what they're expecting from our GDP this year. And Jamie
mackay on the fact that the Danes are doing to
their farmers what we have chosen not to do, which
is climate tax eight past six. Now the price of
your car registration is going to go up by fifty bucks.

(01:06:43):
Fuel taxes will rise by twelve cents a liter in
twenty twenty seven and then twenty two cents in twenty
twenty nine, and new Roads of National Significance will probably
be told the government has confirmed the final Policy Statement
on land transport for the next ten years. The price
rises will help pay for new Roads of National Significance
Pothole Prevention fund. And Dylan Thompson is the AA's road

(01:07:04):
safety spokesperson who's with us now hat.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Dylan evening, Heather, not a lot of this is new.

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
If anything at all. But are you happy it's locked in?

Speaker 5 (01:07:13):
Yeah, you're right. We've known this was coming. But the
two things that really stand out for the AA and
that we're happy about over the next three years, this
GPS is going to allow more money to be spent
on road maintenance than we've seen before, significantly more, and
also a really strong focus around police enforcement out on

(01:07:35):
the roads looking to increase that, particularly around alcohol and drugs.
We need both of those things. Better maintenance of our
roads and better enforcement, particularly around impair driving, to make
to make travel for all New Zealanders safer, better, more reliable.
So we're really pleased to see those.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
Yeah, So Samon Brown's copping a bit of heat for
that actually today because that pothole money has been taken
out of the cycling the cycling budget. Is that fair
for him to do that?

Speaker 5 (01:08:05):
There is transport all is for so many debates around
you know, there's a limited pot of money and there's
lots of projects. So from the AA's perspective, you know,
we need to be having investment in public transport. We
need to be having investment in cycling, walking, all those
other modes. But for us, the first port of call

(01:08:25):
for the money that is collected from road users needs
to be maintaining the current network, and we haven't been
doing enough of that. So we need to be actually
increasing that investment because what we've seen over a number
of years is the roading network deteriorate and get worse
and more potholes and more damage, and we've got to

(01:08:46):
increase the investment to stop that, stop that happening and
turn that trend around.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
Yeah, so what's been announced today is actually spill beer
compared to some of the stuff that the Infrastructure Minister,
Chris Bishop is talking about doing in terms of funding
the roads. Do you want him to go as far
as he's talking about, you know, things like value capture
and PPPs and stuff like that.

Speaker 5 (01:09:06):
Well, the detail of how those things can work are
going to be the crucial factors, you know, as we
talk about it as a country. But we certainly think
we need to be looking at other ways of trying
to find funding for the transport and big infrastructure projects
that New Zealanders want. So, you know, we need to
be looking at these things. We need to be open

(01:09:27):
to new options. But we also are going to have
to wait to see a bit more detail about how
a lot of those things would work before we can
really take a position on whether we think that that's
the right approach. But we need to be open to
looking at new ideas, good stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
Dylant always happy to talk to you and appreciate your time.
That's Dylan Thompson of the AA, the road safety spokesperson there.
I think it's generally accepted that Rishie Sunak won that
BBC debate overnight, which will be maybe a little helpful
to him, given he's losing the election. I mean, just
how helpful. I'm not sure so, given Gray Inde Brady,
actually it's Thursday. It's not a Friday, Jews, I feel
like it's Friday, don't you. Enda Brady is going to

(01:10:04):
be with us before the end of the program. He'll
give us his take on it. I suspect because Enda
doesn't love the Toy's second, the Tories. Do you have
you picked that up? Enda is sick of the Tories.
He's not. I bet you he doesn't even give the
debate to Rishie tonight, even though everybody else is. But anyway,
let's just see if my prediction comes true or not.
Genesis Energy, speaking at predictions, is warning you need to

(01:10:25):
brace yourself in electricity generation is going to go up
and cost, which means he doesn't take a rocket scientist
to figure that out. A you'll be paying more in
your power bills. The reason being gas supply. Now, how
much have we talked about the gas supply on this program.
The gas supply is dropping. It's dropping at an alarming
late and specifically for them, it's dropping. At the Coupe

(01:10:46):
gas field, they did a drilling program to try to
get a bit more gas out and it didn't work.
It was a failed project and so as a result,
and so basically they couldn't get any more out, They
couldn't find any more pockets, couldn't maintain it to get
some more out of there. And the the supply in
the Kupe gas field is dwindling and as a result
they think we're going to have higher generation costs, so
you have to burn more coal and that's much more expensive.

(01:11:07):
To brace yourself for that. Twelve past six.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
It's quarter past six now an international research group has
downgraded our economic outlook. BMI is a division of Fitch Solutions,
which also includes Fitch Ratings, but they all insist the
completely independent of each other and there's nothing to worry about.
Here's the problem. BMI is predicting GDP will grow by
just one percent this year. That's down from from one
point two percent, which it was previously thinking. Liam dan

(01:11:53):
is The Herald's Business editor at large ALM. You know, okay,
so they're basing this by the sounds of things on
the first cour Yes.

Speaker 27 (01:12:01):
Yeah, they and looking out at some of the risks
and things coming coming at us. They're looking at consumer spending.
They look at some pretty detailed secondary type data, the
Product Producers Index and the PMI and that kind of
stuff for what's happening with manufacturing. I mean, you know,
it's not wildly out of line with some of the
gloomy outlooks from from the banks and so forth right now,

(01:12:23):
but it just shows you that that the trend is
still not good. So they're seeing it deteriorating, you know,
and I should add there's there's always that upside. They
still see interest rate cuts this year. In fact, they
still see two of them.

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
I think they're probably really when how do we fit
two in?

Speaker 27 (01:12:42):
I guess I think there's an October as well.

Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
Okay, so they must be Octoba November.

Speaker 27 (01:12:46):
I think that's pushing it. But of course what that
means is that they're in the camp, and the sort
of is two camps. There's the camp that's worried that
this non tradable inflation is just going to be sticky
and stay there forever. There's the other one that goes,
oh no, no, New Zealand's going off for if the
economies falling.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
Which one do you fall into?

Speaker 9 (01:13:03):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
I fall into that we're going off a cliff and
we're going to have to do something.

Speaker 27 (01:13:06):
It's weird that that's the more optimistic one. But I think,
like you've been in the let's pull the band aid
off quick camp for a while, and I think I
think things are, you know, slowing pretty fast. And I
mean it's possible that non tradeable inflation, the service sector
stuff and insurance and rental just you know, keeps sticking

(01:13:27):
there for longer. But actually, you know, if the economy
really starts tanking, yeah, it could also just come off
a lot faster than what the Reserve Bank is talking about.
They have to talk to if they have to, you know,
until they see the whites of its eyes or whatever,
you know. But a lot of a lot of the
big international players are sticking with these earlier cut forecasts

(01:13:48):
and you know, pretty downbeat about the prospects for the
next year ahead for us.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
Is this going to affect what fits ratings? Does it shouldn't?

Speaker 27 (01:13:56):
I mean, they will read it, they'll read it, They'll
I'll read all the economic stuff, But the stuff coming
from the guys down the corridor, I guess they would
be weird if they didn't pay attention to that. Yes,
it also reads fairly similarly to the kind of commentary
that we had all that that it was a business
test story. Actually I wrote about where deleiper Fonseeka talked

(01:14:19):
to the Fitch ratings guy and he said similar things
to this. And there's the warning there that hey, you know,
if China, China's economy doesn't bounce back, or if it
slows a bit more, then the numbers could look even
worse for us, because you know, we're still so.

Speaker 10 (01:14:34):
Reliant on that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
Yeah, totally. Hey, have you like this is so weird?
And I'm sorry to do this, yere, but I thought
of you when this came out. Have you seen the
surf park that's going to be built in Auckland.

Speaker 9 (01:14:44):
Yeah, it's pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
Are you going to go.

Speaker 27 (01:14:47):
Well, it's a long time since I got up any
sort of speed on a surfboard, but these waves are perfect.

Speaker 3 (01:14:52):
Right, there's yes, I thought you were more of a
surf well.

Speaker 27 (01:14:56):
I did used to leave Live and breathe a long
time ago. I'm know Scott Robertson, you know he's out
there dreaming up you know how to.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
Well listen would be Would this be your return to surfing?

Speaker 27 (01:15:06):
It could be because the thing that got me with surfing,
right is that if you're not doing it all the time,
the bit where you get out the back and paddle
through all the way hard work, the hard bit. Yeah,
that's the bit that sort of put me off because.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
Would you pay ninety bucks for an hour?

Speaker 27 (01:15:19):
Oh look, I've been and done the skiing up in
north of Auckland. You know it's it's worth a go,
isn't it.

Speaker 23 (01:15:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 27 (01:15:25):
Yeah, I probably would give a guard and I might
shout the kids, you know that they're sort of more
likely to get up fast on a bum.

Speaker 3 (01:15:31):
I might shout the kids. What a generous father, Liam,
Thank you very much, really appreciated. That's Liam Dand The
Herald's Business editor at largest nineteen past six.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
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Speaker 18 (01:15:49):
They'd be right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
Jamie McKay is supposed to be with us at the moment.
But Jamie is on a plane, Laura, is he on
an e New Zealand plane? Probably? Yeah, Well that's not
very good. We can't because we're oh, but she thinks
that he might only fly Jetstark as he's tight as possible.
I am married to a member of that family, and
I know that that's the thing that runs in the
family anyway. So before we totally just trash in New

(01:16:13):
Zealand's reputation, just pause, say it's likely to be in
New Zealand, but it could also be anybody else that
has caused him to be later than expected and therefore
not on the plane we will talk to, well, not
off the plane yet, even though it's supposed to be
off about ten minutes ago. We're gonna have a chat
to him later on in the program and get all
of the detail. But in the meantime, six twenty two,
we've subbed in a different thing altogether, which we were

(01:16:33):
going to talk about anyway, got to look at the
panel that's tasked with reviewing our methane targets. Former Climate
Change Commissioner and farmer Nicholas shadbolts On she'll be the chair,
and also climate change academic professor David frame On as well. Now,
the current legislated methane reduction targets are twenty four to
forty percent, which needs to be the reduction by twenty fifty.
Wayne Langford, president of Federated Farmers, is with us right now.

Speaker 28 (01:16:55):
Hey, Wayne, Hey, everything get it?

Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
Yeah, thank you for helping us out and stepping in
for Jamie McKay.

Speaker 28 (01:17:00):
I'm always covering for Jamie mccach.

Speaker 3 (01:17:02):
I feel like, yeah, it's not the first time listener.
You happy with the panel that's been appointed.

Speaker 28 (01:17:09):
We're just more happy of the fact that the targets
are getting reviewed and the panels in place right there.
You know, we've asked for a long time for there
to be some experts not only in methane but also
in agricrotural systems, and from the look of the panel,
that's what they've come.

Speaker 17 (01:17:24):
Up with here.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
What are you expecting them to find? Where would you
be happier for the methane target to sit.

Speaker 28 (01:17:31):
So from some work that we've done you mentioned earlier,
there's a knox Of report that you know, the exit
that had completed. It suggested that the methane targets should
be a lot lower. Now, I'm not a scientist, I'm
a dairy farmerside. I'm not really going to predict where
it's going to be, but but I do have the
you know, I do have some evidence to say I
think it will be a lot a lot lower the monitors,

(01:17:51):
and this is the time to.

Speaker 17 (01:17:52):
Have a look at it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
What would you do, though, Wayne, if these guys come
back and go, now, do you know what, actually forty
seven percent is bang on where it needs to be?

Speaker 28 (01:18:01):
If that's what they come back and day, and that's
where we're heading, and then we've got to accept that
and we've got to do what we can to get there.
But right now we don't think that's quite where it's
going to end up. And so that's why we're encouraging
this review.

Speaker 3 (01:18:15):
Are you worried that this is becoming such a political
football what's going on with climate emissions, especially in the
agriculture sector, that it's going to be dealt with by
this government, only to be overturned by a future labor
government and just back and forth like that.

Speaker 28 (01:18:27):
Well, what I actually see happening is the market's starting
to outpace where we're regulations looking anyway. So don't get
me wrong. If we're going to talk about twenty four
to forty seven percent, that's way out there, and that's
extremely hard agriculture to achieve. But with the current defination
of travel, with some terror putting in their own targets,

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you know, some of the red meat companies doing the same,
we're actually moving relatively quickly as it is, and so
I don't see it being much for a football I
certainly hope it is not going to be, because I'd
like to think that the exeitor is going to get
there anyway without too much enforcement.

Speaker 12 (01:19:03):
From the government.

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
Right, So you are you kind of pinning your hopes
on the fact that this thing might be sorted and
everything settled and no need for change because you're already
heading targets and everybody is happy with the way that
the whole thing is trending before you get a change
of government.

Speaker 28 (01:19:17):
Well, that's certainly how i'd like it to be. But
I do put the care of it in there that
if we're going to see these significant reductions, if you're
talking twenty four to forty seven percent, we can't do
that without tools, right, and those tools aren't at the
farmer's hands at the moment. They'll take years, two years
to develop and I'll take some time to put in place,
and so if we're talking about that, we're going to

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need some time.

Speaker 17 (01:19:38):
Right.

Speaker 28 (01:19:39):
Farming is a seasonal game. It's not something that you
can kind of just flick on on and off. It's
not like that that it's to take a few seasons
to bring these things in and it can work out
whether or not they're working.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
Wayne, did you see what they're doing over in Denmark
with the carbon tax on agriculture. I took a look
at that and wondered if it will ever ever be
you know, absolutely see the light of day, because they've
tried this in your before in other parts of Europe
and it's never worked.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
What do you think.

Speaker 28 (01:20:03):
Yeah, I've had a quick look at that today and
my concern is that they're potentially hitting. But then the
same way that Zion has over the last few years,
where they've planted pine trees and places that they shouldn't,
and they're literally going to destroy some of their royal communities.
I mean they should be looking at us and learning
from that and be thinking, hey, we don't want to
end up like what we have in some of our
New Zealand communities.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
Wayne, thank you very much appreciated, mate. Enjoy your long weekend.
That's Wayne Langford, President of Federated Farmers. I. Okay, so Azariah,
who's one of our colleagues, is so keen. She's text
me and emailed like text me on the work text
machine and then emailed me on my personal email account,
not my personal one, my work one. She knows I'm

(01:20:45):
not looking at the personal one at the moment and
looking at the work one to tell me she's got
a gold lanyard. She is so stoked with herself. Unfortunately,
bad news for myself. It turns out that Laura just
told me that the reason I have a gold lanyard
and she doesn't is not because I some sort of
a champion who so I didn't even know why I
got it. I'm not a champion. I just turned up
on election night. So literally it was handed out to

(01:21:07):
everybody who worked on election night, not like we had
a choice. We weren't like, oh, can you work on
it was O. The boss came in and was like,
and you're working on election night? And Laura missed out
because she worked on the day after and therefore didn't qualify.
And that isn't fair because she also I gave up
my Saturday, she gave up her Sunday. What's the difference? So, actually, Laura,
it means much less to me. Now I'm not gonna

(01:21:27):
lie and thank you for thank you for putting that
in perspective. So I got over it very very quickly.
I'm getting a lot of texts not believing that nutritionists.
By the way, earlier in the program about the multi
vitamins Heather bs the more vitamins and minerals the better,
obviously within reason. Heather bs vitamin D every winter. Seems
like common sense though, because vitamins are cheaper than our food.

(01:21:49):
At the moment, lolls Heather I swear by Baraka EDI's
the only good one, and it just carries on like that.
It's like she wouldn't even listen to her headlines. Next
and then Jamie mcam I go.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
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Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
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Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
Is your put through my DITX fan? There's a way?
I'm not sure you're last. Thanks what other council news.

Speaker 29 (01:22:29):
Auckland has also just adopted its own long term plan,
although you will know without any of the speculation and
for car that Wellington achieved the same thing with so
well done Auckland for being grown ups in this situation.

Speaker 3 (01:22:40):
I suppose got some numbers for you actually on on
Super Rugby and how well it did. This is from
Sky Sport. By the end of the Super Rugby competition,
nearly two point one million kiwis had tuned in to
watch the Super Rugby over the course of the season.
This is on Sky Sport and also Sky Open, which
of course is the old Prime Prime channel. That is

(01:23:00):
an increase on last year's tournament of twelve percent. Now,
I don't know what you put that down to. I mean,
maybe you put that down to the fact that they've
made some changes to the Super Rugby game and the
tournament has like it's been more interesting to watch apparently,
I don't know because remember I didn't watch anything until
I got well, I watched a little bit at the start,
and then I watched the final and nothing in between.
But I'm told by others that the game was more

(01:23:21):
free flowing, and also maybe it's a reflection of the
fact that the Crusaders were out right very early on
and being not a contender at all, so we got
much more interesting interested in it. So two point one
million is watching it on linear TV right, then there's
another basically two hundred and fifty thousand people who were
then streaming it on Skysport now in Skygo. How good
is it? You can add those two numbers together. What's

(01:23:42):
that two point three five million? That's not bad at all.
The most watched game, absolutely no surprise to you, Blues
versus Chiefs Final, which just happened on Saturday. Six hundred
and forty four thousand people watched it on the TV,
and then another one hundred and thirteen thousand people watched
it on the streaming, and actually not far behind it
was the Hurricanes versus Chiefs. What that tells you is

(01:24:03):
if you know that it's going to be a good
match and it's evenly matched, then you're going to tune in.
So for that reason, I think we have to change
up the playoffs and maybe lend some of our players
to the Australians to help them out. Twenty two away
from seven A.

Speaker 1 (01:24:18):
Rural report on the Heather duper c Ellan Drive with
Ann's Kofoods, New Zealand's famous beef and Lamb.

Speaker 3 (01:24:25):
Jamie McKay, host of the Country's Off the Plane.

Speaker 23 (01:24:27):
Now, o Jamie, I'll gooda Heather. I'm sorry about the
background noise and at Wellington Airport on the way to Tauranga.
And I know that Wayne lang At the president of
Federated Farmers till the Gap admirably, he's a man to
be admired. It's a very good video on him on
the Herald website today on mental health, his battles and
also you know what he's done around that Meet the

(01:24:49):
Need food charity along with Shivorn O'Malley is absolutely wonderful.
He's a good front man for farmers.

Speaker 3 (01:24:55):
So how late were you and who were you flying with?

Speaker 25 (01:24:59):
Now?

Speaker 23 (01:24:59):
Look, I'm on time to be perfectly honest, Heather, but
I was just running a fine gauntlet to do.

Speaker 24 (01:25:06):
This cross.

Speaker 25 (01:25:07):
So I'm here now.

Speaker 23 (01:25:08):
And I'm raring to go.

Speaker 3 (01:25:09):
So we should apologize to Air New Zealand for all
of the things that we said about them, and therefore
we do apologize to them. What do you make of
this thing that they're doing in Denmark. I looked at
it and I thought, I said this. D Wayne as
well looked at it. I thought, Okay, it's noble intentions.
You want to put the climate tax on. It's never
going to happen because it hasn't happened here, hasn't happened
anywhere else.

Speaker 23 (01:25:25):
What do you think, Well, it's probably easy to put
a climate tax on in a place like Denmark than
New Zealand because I don't think there is their major
export there, even though they do milk a few cows.
They're going to be the first country to propose the
introduction of a carbon or methane tax. Whether they do,
it's yet another thing. So they're going to tax farmers

(01:25:46):
at seventy dollars per ton by twenty thirty, it goes
up to one hundred and seventy by twenty thirty five.
I think it's roughly and Wayne would know the numbers
better than me. One hundred dollars or one hundred euros
per cow. But you know European farmers here that nothing
they enjoy more than a good protest. They're unlikely to
take this one lying down. And despite despite the cost

(01:26:07):
of this this apparently big tax deductions, meaning the real
cost will be considerably less for Danish farmers. And you know,
but the danger for us here in New Zealand as
if they are seen to be doing the right thing
by the climate and the planet, they're likely to seize
the opportunity and make life a bit more difficult for
New Zealand agricultural exports into the EU. So watch the

(01:26:30):
space on that one.

Speaker 3 (01:26:31):
Do you like the look of the sum panel that's
been appointed to do the methane review.

Speaker 23 (01:26:35):
Well, I don't know that many of them to be.
Nicola Shadwald is a professor at Massi University. I think
she's a Fonterra or was a Fonterra director. Professor Dave
Frame is a well regarded climate science to seven though
he stood me up for an interview either. I won't
hold that against Professor Dave. The rest the rest I
don't really know. But Wayne Langford's bang on. He said, look,

(01:26:59):
you know the current methane duck targets are incredibly devised,
the highly political, very questionable science underpinning them, and you
know those numbers. Forty twenty fifty was going to destroy
livestock farming in this country and even ten percent by
twenty thirty was going to see sheep and beef production

(01:27:19):
down by twenty percent. So look, I'm glad they're doing
something about it. We'll judge them on their merits.

Speaker 3 (01:27:26):
When are we actually going to get it? I mean
we've talked a lot about what they're going to do
with the live exports, this government, but when are we
actually going to get a decision? Finally, Well, I.

Speaker 23 (01:27:34):
See that the government and talking about Federated Farmers. Of course,
former Federated Farmer's President these days, act MP and Associate
ad Minister Andrew Hoggard is saying the government's progressing its
commitment to reinstate live cattle exports by sea. Remember at
this stage it's only live cattle, it's certainly not sheep

(01:27:54):
there and consultation is set to start in September. Reinstating
the life livestock exports will by sea will require an
amendment to the Animal Welfare Act of nineteen ninety nine.
But remember, Heather, it's tough times. It's five hundred billion
dollar industry per annum. That might even buy a few

(01:28:14):
cook straight fairies.

Speaker 3 (01:28:16):
Jamie Watson toting, why are you need it there?

Speaker 23 (01:28:21):
Well, it was a long planned trap and it's been
bookended by a couple of farming events either side of it.
But I didn't realize I was going to Nomely the
South Island Airy event and christ Church that I've been
at this week and men the Primary Industry Summit and
Awards in Wellington on Tuesday. But got a sun up
there with a commercial cleaning business, Heather super Clean for

(01:28:44):
all your cleaning needs, and I'm going up. I'm coming
up to visit them now. Just before I go, one
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five grand and a day's labor from the teams at
Rabobank and the country, which is just me.

Speaker 3 (01:29:11):
I love it, Jamie thank you very much. Look after
yourself mate, that's Jamie mccha and enjoy your long weekend
Host of the Country. Hey for Wellington, this is a
reasonably good bit of news. Reading Cinema is considering selling
all of its property in Wellington. It appears that they've
got the pip with Wellington because Wellington pulled the council. Eventually,
we're basically bullied, right, the public bullied the Council into

(01:29:31):
pulling out of that ridiculous deal where they were going
to give thirty thirty two million dollars essentially to Reading Cinema.
So Reading Cinema could renovate its cinema complex on Courtney Place,
which has basically sat there empty and closed up for
the last five years, and it would be at a
loss to the Council, therefore being born by their eight
pay which was ridiculous. So as a result, Reading Cinema,
which is, as you know, an international company, the chief

(01:29:53):
executive told the share holders last month in a state
in a bunch of comments that have just gone up online,
after months of negotiating and believing that we've substantially finished
it in all material respects. Negotiations were purportedly terminated by
Wellington City Council on a unilateral basis without warning. This
action followed a leak of the anticipated deal terms whoever
the leaker was well done, and a flooding of adverse

(01:30:16):
press asserting that the deal was too favorable to reading.
Following this, the company is reassessing its options with respect
to all of our real estate holdings in Wellington, which
I think is fantastic news, because nobody wants these lot
who are like nobody wants landlords like this. Landlords who
just leave a building empty for how long? Years and
years five years plus, surely do nothing to it, have

(01:30:39):
no regard to what it's doing to the city around it.
If that's the kind of landlord you are, I look
forward to you selling it and buggering off sixteen away
from seven, crunching the numbers.

Speaker 1 (01:30:51):
And getting the results. It's Heather Dupice Ellen with the
Business Hours. Thanks to my HR, the HR platform for
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Speaker 3 (01:31:00):
You take correspondent into Brady's with us Hello, Inda.

Speaker 26 (01:31:04):
Hey, Heather, one week to go? How are you sizzling
for it?

Speaker 3 (01:31:08):
Because I cannot believe what's coming out of your country.
So yesterday you had a labor candidate beating against themselves,
betting that they would lose. And now you've got a
senior Tory betting that they would lose. What's going on.

Speaker 26 (01:31:20):
And not just the bet a small bet sixteen thousand dollars.
This guy, Sir Philip Davies is his name. He's running
for Shipley in West Yorkshire in a cost of living
crisis where the main talking point is how are families
going to afford to live better, to have money left
at the end of the month. And this guy, Sir

(01:31:41):
Philip Davies, he's put a sixteen thousand dollar bet on himself,
not to win, to lose, to lose the election. Now
he's been approached by reporters. He basically turned on the
reporters and he said, well, what business of yours is it?
If what I do? He admitted placing the bet and
has no remorse, no contrition, And the really funny thing

(01:32:02):
is he probably is going to lose, so the bet
will pay out. He's now all over the front pages.
His wife is a Conservative member of Parliament. She is
the Minister for Common Sense.

Speaker 17 (01:32:11):
I look this up.

Speaker 26 (01:32:12):
Esther McVey is her name. She sits in cabinet she
is the Minister for common sense in inverted comments. That
was how they appointed her. You can just imagine the
common sensical discussions they have around the dinner table and
that house. God help.

Speaker 3 (01:32:26):
I mean, there's something slight. It feels unethical about being
able to beat against yourself because surely then it is
in his own interests to just throw it and win
the bet.

Speaker 26 (01:32:38):
Exactly. I mean, this is why rugby players and soccer
players and cricket players are not allowed to place bets
on matches that they are involved in that they can influence.
So I mean, look, the feeling you get is I
spoke to senior people in the Conservative Party. I speak
to them all the time, all parties. You know what
it's like being a journal you hear everything. And I

(01:32:59):
was told the other day it's like the end of
the Roman Empire. That was how they described this week.
That you know, it's all over, and you know some
people will be drinking wine until they've almost others are
deciding to put bets on themselves to lose.

Speaker 3 (01:33:13):
Now, Inda, are you going to give the debate to Rashie.

Speaker 26 (01:33:17):
Look, I would say he was quite combative, and his
critics would argue that had he shown this kind of
fight two years ago, the country might be in a
better state and he might have more chance of winning.
So I think his advisers have said to him, look,
you have nothing left to lose. It's the last round
of a twelve match boxing event. Go out there and
land a punch. And he couldn't do it. I mean,

(01:33:39):
Starmer just repeatedly pointing out who's been in charge for
the last fourteen years. Soon next shouting that labor are
going to put up taxes. Starmer replying by saying that
taxes are at the highest level they've ever been and
whose fault is that? So I thought Sooner let himself
down with his manner, his tone and just constantly interrupting Starmer.
But look, the gap has not narrowed in the polls.

(01:34:01):
It's twenty six clear percentage point. H So these poles
are correct. You know, if these poles are correct, Starmer
is riding into Downing Street next Friday morning on the
crest of a tidal way.

Speaker 3 (01:34:12):
Really yeah, performance like that will not do Rashie any good.
Is them just too far to go?

Speaker 22 (01:34:16):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:34:16):
Tell me what you make of Gareth Gareth Southgate.

Speaker 26 (01:34:21):
I think he's extremely boring and he's got the England
soccer team playing extremely boring football, so they've really limped through. Okay,
they topped their group, which was a really average group
to begin with. But a draw with den Mark and nil,
they'll draw against Slovenia, which has a tiny population. I
think there's actually more people live in Birmingham in England

(01:34:42):
than in the whole of Slovenia. And the national sport
is skiing and they still manage to get a draw
with England. So Southgate's on ten million dollars a year.
I just cannot fathom who thought that was a good idea.
The guy who manages Georgia who beat Portugal last night
quite two nil. The guy who manages Georgia's on three
hundred and forty thousand dollars a year. Most people would

(01:35:05):
say that's an amazing salary for coaching a soccer team.
Southgate's on ten mil and this is what's turning up.
But look, England plays Slovakia this weekend, slightly bigger country
with a bigger population. Let's see if they can win.

Speaker 3 (01:35:17):
Man, how do you feel, yes or no? Will I win?

Speaker 26 (01:35:21):
I think England will beats Slovakia. I think if the
players take the shackles off and go and do what
they've done all season and not listen to the manager,
but say, look, I'm in Ireland at the moment, Heather
in all honesty, and people are just rolling around laughing.

Speaker 3 (01:35:33):
At them, fair enough and they'll be enjoying it as well.
In the look after Yourself, thank you so much, Into
Brady UK correspondent, hither reading is welcome to go make
a nice but well lit park in the city with
a police base in the corner. I'd avoid the pack, Chris.
I'll avoid the park in the middle of Wellington City
because if you just go down the road a little

(01:35:53):
bit you'll find Pigeon Pack. You know, Arrow Park is
Daro Park now, isn't it. So yeah, maybe just a
nice new building with something functional like maybe a cop shop.
I'm down with that. A's away from seven, whether it's.

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
Macro, MicroB or just plain economics.

Speaker 1 (01:36:10):
It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen
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Speaker 3 (01:36:18):
That you guys get chocolate, fish and lanyards at work.
My work offerss those little five centimeter boxes of raisins
as a bribe, Joel, what are you guys two years old?
I use them on the Toddler.

Speaker 10 (01:36:28):
I would so go for the raisins. If Jason and
Stanley walked in here was like, hens, can you work
another hour? Here's a box of Raisins, I'll be.

Speaker 23 (01:36:34):
All over it.

Speaker 3 (01:36:34):
What if he was like box of raisins or gold lanyard.

Speaker 10 (01:36:38):
I would I would absolutely take the raisins over the lanyard.
Not a landyear guy me. Sorry fair, you'd think I
would be, but they just don't work with me.

Speaker 3 (01:36:45):
To be fair, at seven o'clock at night, I would
take a box of raisins as well, because just for
that little energy bump, it'd be quite good.

Speaker 10 (01:36:50):
Away hungry for raisins.

Speaker 3 (01:36:51):
Now now I'm hungry. Now now I'm hungry. Oh thanks Joel.
Now you've started the thing. Hey, you know how Travis
Kelcey got to meet I thought was his brother there,
I don't know. He got to meet Prince William and
you know it l at the at backstage at the
Taylor Swift concert. Well, he and his brother Jason have
got this podcast and they've raved about Prince William.

Speaker 30 (01:37:11):
There was royalty at the show. Got to meet Prince William.
How about that, your Royal highness.

Speaker 11 (01:37:15):
Last episode, I think I was quoted as saying, royalty dude.

Speaker 30 (01:37:18):
He was the coolest mother.

Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
He was so cool. He's a good Obviously we're backstage medium.

Speaker 11 (01:37:23):
They specified because we weren't at like an official royal event,
we didn't need to bow or curtsy. But I did
still address him as your Royal highness.

Speaker 22 (01:37:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:37:31):
No, I've never felt emasculated, and I did. That was
the closest I've never been.

Speaker 30 (01:37:36):
I've never seen you give that someone that much from respect.
You put your beer like ten feet away from you.

Speaker 11 (01:37:42):
I didn't have it in my teeth when I met him.
I got to say Prince William was fantastic meeting him,
But the highlight was Princess Charlotte. She was so adorable.
I don't know, maybe because I have three girls now.
She had fire to her. She was asking questions.

Speaker 30 (01:37:53):
Thank you, your highness.

Speaker 2 (01:37:54):
It was awesome meeting you and Charlotte and George.

Speaker 3 (01:37:57):
I have no idea which one is which, but I
think they were both there and they both adored the royals.

Speaker 10 (01:38:02):
So there you go, and let me entertain you by
Robbie Williams to play us out tonight. It was just
I'm still but cut up about poor or Robbie going
for a walk in the park and no one recognizing him.
I think the issue might have been the big sunglasses
he had on, because with the sunglasses on, he's just
a really good looking middle aged time.

Speaker 3 (01:38:17):
I thought about this and I thought his problem is
he was he thought wearing a pink suit and diamante
glasses in London was going to draw attention to himself.
And it's London. Had he done that in Auckland, I
think everybody would have stared. But you know, that's just
a bit weird there, aren't they.

Speaker 10 (01:38:33):
I'm sure. I'm sure as soon as I got a
look of his beautiful eyes, like then I'd be like, oh, hey,
that's definitely Robbie Williams. It's not just looks like him, yes.

Speaker 3 (01:38:40):
Like it was like Superman's mask and it was like
super Superman's outfit just like made nobody recognize him.

Speaker 10 (01:38:46):
Yeah, he wears glasses, and all of a sudden I
was like, Oh, this really tough guy who works as
a reporter.

Speaker 3 (01:38:51):
The opposite of that. Hey, enjoy your long weekend. Drive
safely out there and we'll see you Again. On Monday,
he stalk ZB.

Speaker 1 (01:39:36):
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