Full Show Podcast: 28 April 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
A, questions, answers, facts analysis, The Drive show you trust
for the full picture. Heather Duplicy, elan drive with one
New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Hey get afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today,
the Minister's going to explain why he's letting reputable builders
sign off on their own work. Also, apparently a couple
of our firefighters got stuck in a broken truck above
that big Auckland fire on Thursday. We're going to find
out from the union what went wrong. And is it
okay that councils come after unpaid rates through your mortgage?
Heather Duplicy, Ellen, Look, maybe I'm being naive, but I'm

(00:39):
not that stressed at the news that three people were
allowed to start police college without passing the fitness.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Test, will you.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
I mean, it seems to me more important to just
have police officers and more police officers walking the beat
and providing a reassuring presence than it is to be
absolutely sure that they can do a vertical jump and
run two and a half k's and twelve o minutes.
Because I don't know when was the last time you
saw Bobby sprinting two k's down the road and jumping
over a wall to catch somebody, right, doesn't seem like

(01:05):
it's all that frequently happening in modern policing, certainly in cities.
But it doesn't mean we haven't got a problem. We've
got a problem here. The problem is that the government
is still pretending that it can pump out five hundred
new police officers by November twenty seven. That's not going
to happen. I mean they are trying absolutely everything to
be able to meet that target. They've bumped up the
number of training spots they've got at the Police College

(01:26):
from eighty to one hundred, the opening a new college
in Auckland sometime this year. They're now suspected of having
waived in three unfit coppers just to make up the numbers.
But we know that five hundred coppers by November twenty
seven is not going to happen because we've had a
whole bunch of evidence right, the numbers are not keeping
pace in order to be able to get to five hundred.
The officials have warned the government in the briefing papers

(01:48):
it's not going to be able to do it until
midway through next year. And Mark Mitchell admitted last year
that they weren't going to be able to do it,
and then he got told off by Winston. So now
he's gone back. He's gone back to pretending that he
can do it, but he's using weasel words. He just
says the number is aspirational. Well, aspirational is a politician's word.
That's a clue in and of itself. Look, I think

(02:08):
to be honest, I think the government itself just needs
to be honest here. If it's not gonna make the number,
surely it's better to be honest now and say you're
not going to make the number than it is to
keep on pretending and then miss the target in November,
which is inevitably going to happen. And surely it's worse
for the police to be busted doing this waiving three
unfoit people through, even if it's fine that they do it,

(02:29):
being busted doing it is not a good look. And
if that is what we now suspect they're doing in
order to meet the five hundred, that's a very bad look,
isn't it.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Together do for Cel nine nine two is.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
The text number. Standard text fees apply now, Dunedin, so
Dunedin's City Council is planning to not reverse the speed
limits around the city schools, despite the director from local
government from government to do so. The report being considered
a Wednesday's council meeting will recommend all but one Dunedin
school keep it's thirty k's in our speed limit, with
the remaining school only increasing to fifty k's during non

(03:00):
peak hours now. Jim O'Malley is the head of the
Infrastructure Committee for Dunedin Council. Jim Higher, Hello, how are you?

Speaker 4 (03:07):
Jim?

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Very well?

Speaker 5 (03:08):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Why are you're not doing it?

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Really?

Speaker 6 (03:12):
Because the public consultation that led to the speed limit
changes in the first place was pretty clear and a
lot of them have been in place for a long
time and the communities really don't want them reversed. And
I think the other one is if we did do
the reversal of this government wanted no government's permanent and
we knew that, we know that when another government comes
back in and they want them back to where they
were before, so it would be pretty much a few

(03:33):
toile waste of effort, to be honest.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
So what is it that you've got so tell me?
If I'm right here, Jim. But my understanding is that
the current government wants you guys to go to variable
speed limits, right, so during school hours you drop it
down to thirty and then the rest of the time
it's fifty eighty one hundred whatever is that right?

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yep?

Speaker 6 (03:48):
Yeah, and also raising speed limits in other parts of
this town that were lowered.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Yeah, right, okay, so what's wrong with variable speed limits?
Speed is variable hours?

Speaker 6 (03:59):
Oh, it's nothing really if it's the right place. So
we do have variable speed limits around the schools that
have very high traffic around them and stuff like that.
It really did goes school by school basis is how
they're determine whether they're veryable determinate and in fact, the
adverts had won what the masters that can they go
to a variable in the future and they'll reverse back
at this point while they wait. But it's about seven

(04:21):
hundred fifty thousand dollars to put a variable unit in
around a school. Okay, okay, it's quite expensive to put
them into every school because gym is that right. Yeah,
they're electronica and there's a lot of engineering you go
with it at the same time, and so then.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
You know, outside of in places that is outside of school,
so not just schools. Are you also refusing to lift
the speed limits back up from like eighty to one hundred?

Speaker 6 (04:42):
Let's say, well, it's not so much refusing as we
and a lot of other councilors looked at the new
speed limit rules and said that they were quite ambiguous
and they weren't instructive. So there's what. There was no
instruction there, so we didn't have to follow them. But
you did what we did, right.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
But it's pretty clear what the government wants you to do,
isn't it.

Speaker 6 (05:00):
Well, it was clear what the previous minister wanted to do.
I don't think the current minister is particularly interested in
speed limit changes. Doesn't seem to be giving direction. Hold on,
are you talking about doing this? I mean most councils
are doing this.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Are you talking about the difference between Simmy and Brown
and Chris Bishop?

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (05:15):
I think a lot goes around who is who is
the minister at the time, So it was Simmy and
Brown who bought these changes in and now Chris Bishop
is the minister.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
So in your opinion, Simeon was clear that he wanted
speed limits up, but Chris Bishop sounds a bit sort
of ambiguous.

Speaker 6 (05:29):
It doesn't seem like as as high priori as I mean,
when when Minister Brown was in charge, he would he
was strengthing to go in a line item change speed
limits if he didn't like them.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
Okay, but doesn't the previous minister's directive stand until the
new minister changes.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Oh yeah it does.

Speaker 6 (05:44):
And the rule was the rule was issued. And when
we've looked at the rule like, there's nothing instructing this
rule that they're all actually at this rhythm doesn't really
instruct the way maybe the minister had intended. But that's
the rule that's been issued by the minister.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
But then, Jim, you guys are playing silly buggers, aren't you,
because you know what he intended, and so he issued
a rule and then you're finding wiggleway wiggling room in
this is that right?

Speaker 6 (06:05):
Well, I don't move by silly buggers, because I mean,
it'll be four million dollars to do those reversals, and
then when Labor give up, it gets back in and
be four million dollars to put them back in again.
After the long term interest of the right pass any else.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
The next Labor government is going to be as nutty
as the last one.

Speaker 6 (06:22):
These these are not unpopular changes in the community. They're
very popular in their communities. The community, they're not asking
them to go back.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
Now that's a fair point.

Speaker 6 (06:29):
Maybe you're actually crossing asking a very important line here,
which is when does local government have authority and when
does central government?

Speaker 3 (06:35):
And you've got a fair point there. So if to
my mind, if a community wants something very very badly,
then the community, you know, within reason, should have it.
Are you sure though, that your community wants it? Because
I've come across councils before doing the old consultation and
getting the answer they want.

Speaker 6 (06:54):
Well, you know, I was. I cheered those consultation committees
when you're bringing the entrance screen limits. With the reviews
that we've done over the last four or five years,
I've been very extensive and we've had two sets of
hearing sets. I reckon both days, had over five days
of hearings, So that's around about probably two hundred people

(07:15):
who heard of the hearings, well over a couple of
thousand submissions. The direction was obvious, and so that's the
way we went. And if we were wrong, then the
community would be coming out now saying you do what
the government asked, but we're actually getting the opposite. We're
getting please bring this road down. Why having you brought
it down now? And we're like, well, we're waiting on

(07:35):
the new speed limit rules. So actually, if anything, the
communities are actually wanting the roads to be slower. Once
they see them slower, they see the safety advantage and
they also realize that the journey didn't take much longer.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Okay, Jimson, thank you. I really appreciate you taking the
time to think us through it. That's Jim and Maalley,
Dunedin City Council, Council in the chair of the Infrastructure Committee.
Quarter past.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
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Speaker 3 (08:05):
I want higher limits, Jim say somebody and and Eden
when I come back to Jim, Jim is my favorite
thing that's happened to me all day. It's eighteen past four.
Jason pine Though sports talk host with us right now.
Hey Piney, Hello, Heather now Piney Wow Auckland FC. Okay,
but how like what is it that these guys do, Like,
what is it that Foley is doing that makes all
of his squads so successful.

Speaker 7 (08:25):
Yeah, what a great question, and I'm not sure I
have a succinct answer. It's probably a few things. I
think the recruitment of this team was exceptional. The players
that were assembled at the start of the season were,
you know, without exception, really excellent acquisitions. But then you've
got to put them together and they've got to create
something together which is going to be successful on the field.

(08:47):
They've clearly done that. And you know, the secret source,
I think is just probably the togetherness of a bunch
of players who are already good footballers and who had
a desire from the start to show everybody how good
they actually were. So anybody expected this. A lot of
people said to me, Hey, did you expect this when
they got together at the start of the season. I didn't.
I thought they'd be competitive, I had. I didn't have

(09:07):
any thought in my mind that they would go on
to win the Premieres plate and be favorites for the
Grand Finals. So, yeah, what a triumph in their first season.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
But Piney, if all it is is finding good players
and then making sure that they can play well together,
why can't have the people Why can't the Phoenix do it?
I mean it's just it's just not that simple to people. Right,
I've tried try.

Speaker 7 (09:27):
I don't know, as you're saying this, I'm trying to
put it into into into let's say, cooking terms. Yes,
you might have all the ingredients, but you're still going
to mix them together correctly. Otherwise would all be master chef,
wouldn't we? So I guess you can assemble all the
ingredients and you say, hey, these are tasty. We should
be able to make something really cool out of this.

(09:47):
But often it you know, it sinks in the oven,
or you know, it just tastes terrible. Not that's probably
a terrible analogy.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
He's just really good. He fody knows what it takes
and he's got it in his head and so he
can execute it.

Speaker 7 (10:00):
Well, he's the money man, right, he's allowed them to
stretch the resources right out it. Let's not forget a
salary cap league. You can't just buy the best players.
You do have to stay under the salary cap with
a couple of exceptions. So it's not like you can
go and actually buy a championship in the A League.
So yeah, and look, let's give some curtoss to the
coaching staff as well, who are I guess the chefs.

(10:20):
If you use the similar analogy, you know, Steve Corik
is mixed together the ingredients and it's tasting great.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
So maybe Foley is just really good at picking the
people who are good at picking the team, you know,
like that may be the thing. He's good at spotting
those people. But going from one amazing I hope you're
jealous of the fact that I now live in Auckland.
Going from one amazing Auckland franchise to another amazing Oakland franchise.

Speaker 7 (10:42):
The Warriors Go Media Stadium is like a success magnet,
isn't it, Even though they of course played down in
christ Chtch on the weekend, second or sorry, joint best
ever start through seven games. The only other time they've
gone five and two to start a season was twenty eighteen.
They made the finals that year. I'm just really impressed
with their resilience hither. You know, they lost in Vegas

(11:03):
and they were really disappointed, came back home and won
the next three. Then they played the Storm They were
what thirty six zero down at halftime, terrible half, bounced
back to win the next two, including the nights on
the weekend. So yeah, there's something about this team, and
they're missing some pretty big players, you know, James fisherharis
not there, Dellan why Tenneys, Lesnie It, Roger tu Vasaschek,
all the hyphenated surnames not there. So when they come back,

(11:25):
who knows what this team might do.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
Amazing, Piney, thank you so much, appreciate it. That's Jackson
Pine's sport store Coast. He'll be a back seven o'clock
this evening here on newstiog zebee hither. I understand the
need for fitness tests, but what happens after the coppers
graduated into the force? I see lots of fat, unfit
cops around. Peter said that, Heather, do you not want
your police to be able to jump through a window
to save a baby from a burning building rather than
having too many donuts and getting stuck? Well, this is

(11:49):
a very good question, but can I please remind you
about the health and safety legislation. There will be no
coppers jumping through burning windows of buildings trying to save
a baby at the moment. Because I don't know if
you've caught up on this, but we don't let the
cops do that kind of thing. Anymore because they might
hurt themselves. And I'm not even taking the piss for
twenty two.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
Moving the big stories of the day forward, or when
it's Heather dupers On and drive with One New Zealand,
let's get connected the news talks.

Speaker 8 (12:16):
That'd be cheers.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
We love Jim a we love Jim. Look, I'm going
to say this about Jim. Okay, Jim is clearly political
and you can all see that. Can't look at me, Heather.
Do you really think Dunedin would do anything this government wanted? Heather.
I bet that counselor didn't say, hey, wish we should
leave the speed limits where they are when labour got
on just in case National got back in counselors, so
because their labor mates got booted out, that's from that.
I mean, we can all see it. Jim, Jim's Jim's

(12:40):
Jim sits on that side of that particular fence, doesn't he.
So that's okay. I mean we see it what we
see it for what it is. But what I enjoy
about Jim is that at least Jim has a position
and he's prepared to articulate it to the rest of us.
I don't mind the old opinion, even if I don't
agree with it. But he's a brat, isn't he. Jim
is a brat. I mean, Jim knows full well what
and this still wanted, but he's pretending. He's like, huh, pretending,

(13:03):
he's pretending to be stupid.

Speaker 6 (13:04):
The rule was issued and when we've looked at the
rule like there's nothing instructing us all that they're all
actually at this rhythm doesn't really instruct the way maybe
the minister had intended. But that's the rule that's beIN
issued by the ministry.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
I mean, that's the most bratty thing out is like
a teenager going, I know you said that you want
me to go to my room, but you didn't say
you wanted me to go now. So it's a little
bit of like having a weasel word. There isn't anyway
power all power to Jim. There we go. Jim sums
up what's wrong with counsels in this country over every
f wort using the safety stick. Excuse imagine what a
fun night out Jim would be ha ha ha from

(13:37):
Felipa speaking of fun nights out to tory to it's
a big day for Tory. Tory has pinned this is
Tory from Wellington. By the way, Torri has pinned everything
she has left on this one thing that she's doing
because she knows. She knows we will talk about Tory
in decades from now as like happened to Wellington, it

(13:57):
was Tory. So Tory figures, there's only she's got a
hail Mary here, which is that the Golden Mile project.
If this pans out to be the best thing that
has ever happened to Wellington, it could save Tory's reputation.
So it's a big day for Tory today because they
turned to the sod. But it was a little bit
weird because there was a bunch of secretcy it would
appear around this, okay, So they turned the first sod

(14:18):
of the Golden Mile. This happened on Courtney Place, sort
of like down there by, you know, like down down
down down down by the Embassy Theater, away that part
of Courtney Place turned the first. She had the spade
in her hand and she had about eight members of
an EWE behind her doing a cut of care and
stuff like that. And they did it at ten o'clock.
But they didn't tell anybody about it until nine o'clock
this morning because they were worried that the protesters would

(14:40):
turn up. I mean, really, Tory is a bigger deal
in her own mind than she is and anybody else's.
No protests turned up. But also it would appear that
at least one counselor didn't get invitation now to beat this,
Ray chung to be fair, Ray is Ray is a
man in his would you say sixties, maybe late fifties,

(15:03):
So I don't really have a lot of faith in
his admiabilities, do you know what I mean? There may
be an email, but maybe there's not. So Ray hasn't
been invited. He thinks to it, and it's possibly because
he said the a couple of weeks ago that Tory
Faro's full of shit. A Now, I only told you
that so I could repeat that he said that about
it because it is that funny it needs to be repeated. Anyway.

(15:24):
I just want you to know, Ray, you did not
miss out on anything. I looked at the video of it.
Ethan in the Wellington newsroom sent the video.

Speaker 9 (15:32):
Through and it was blame like if this is your
big or Honestly, at one point there was a bus
behind Tory with a porterloo strapped on the back, and
I thought that the sums everything.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
Up like this is the worst event in the history
of the world. If this is your big thing, you'd
want like confetti, wouldn't You just wouldn't want a poortuloo
there anyway. Happy Days News is.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Next, recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines.
It's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected news Talk.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Sa'd be.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
Right after by pot We're going to chat Chris Pink,
who is the Building Minister. He's given permission to certain builders,
not all builders, to be able to sign up on
their own work. We'll have a chat to him about
exactly how we picks which builders are going to be
able to do that. Scott Simpson, now Scott Simpson was
a subject of much chat on the show on Thursday because,
of course Scott Scott initially thought what ACC was doing

(16:46):
with the the business with race targeting was awesome. Remember,
because he said to newsroom, Newsroom was the outfit who
broke the story. He said to Newsroom he stood by ACC.
It was perfectly fine. And then we chatted about it
on the show and then by Courts seven on Thursday evening,
Scott had changed his mind, and Scott had then decided
that ACC told ACC no, and maybe you should go

(17:07):
back and have a look at it. So a little
update on that, well, I mean, the first update is
that we ask Scott to come on the show again
today and Scott did not want. Did he have an
excuse this time? Last time? He was busy with his
electric work. You're joking he's having a family day with
his family. Is that code for is that code for
something else? No, it's actually he's actually having a day

(17:29):
with his family. He's having a day with his family.
He actually said a family day now in or whatever.
I don't employ O know hold And that's right. I
do employ Scott because he works for the government and
we pay his But anyway, so we can think about
how we feel about Scott having a family day today
on the Monday when everybody else is working. But anyway,
he's not coming on the show because of that. But
also ACC has gone back to have a look at

(17:52):
whether they're going to be doing this. But they have
also paused the tender process. So the whole thing was
about tendering for somebody to come and save all of
these lives and acts and stuff. They have now paused
the whole thing. It's all on hold because Scott is
having a family date. It's going to fall to Nicola,
the hardest woman, working woman in this government, to talk
us through the situation. So she's with us. Iss Nikola
Willis obviously after six o'clock right now, it's twenty two

(18:13):
away from five.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive well.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
It looks like eleven people have been killed in that
car ramming attack in Vancouver. The suspect is in custody
and was known to authorities for mental health reasons. Here's
the mayor.

Speaker 10 (18:25):
There's a lot of herd that there's a lot of
kin and it's not just the Philippino community, it's it's
the whole city, is the region, it's the province and
you can feel it across the country as well.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
Over in Australia, the latest pole from News poll has
Labor ahead of the Coalition, but only just Elbow has
met favorability of minus nine. Peter Dutton has hit a
new row of minus twenty four. In their latest debate,
both the candidates for prime minister were caught out when
they were asked about the price of a dozen eggs.

Speaker 11 (18:52):
Mister Dutton, do you know how much they cost?

Speaker 2 (18:57):
About four dollars twenty? No, you might get half.

Speaker 8 (19:00):
That's an easy seven dollars if you can find them,
because it's hard to find them at the moment.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
Yeah, you're looking at it. I reckon, you're looking at
ape plus.

Speaker 12 (19:08):
Yeah, there's for sunny corying twelve.

Speaker 8 (19:10):
Eggs from Wallies. They eight dollars.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
Eighty from Cols, slightly cheaper at about eight dollars fifty.
Olli Pedterson on that shortly and finally. A Connecticut family's
backyard playcet has proven surprisingly popular with some local wildlife.
A bear has been caught on video climbing up the
ladder and going down the slide. The homeowner says it's
not unusual to see the bears around the neighborhood, and
she thinks the bear looks so comfortable on the slide.

(19:34):
That's probably not the first time that he's done this.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
Olli Peterson six pr per Live Presenters with Us a
Ollie Hey Heather So looks like a hung parliament, doesn't.

Speaker 13 (19:49):
Yeah, it does.

Speaker 14 (19:50):
And as you just play in the world wise, the
clip of what's the price of a dozen eggs is
about as interesting as our election campaign is. To be
perfectly blunt with you, I think we're sick of it.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
It on.

Speaker 13 (20:00):
They've had for debates, but fifty two to forty eight
is what.

Speaker 14 (20:03):
The latest news poll released in The Australian Today shows
when it comes to the two party preferred question between
the Labor Party and the Coalition. That hasn't really shifted
in the last couple of weeks. And I think that
you started to see the Liberal Party in particular throw
the kitchen sink it trying to see if any mud
will stick, because that primary vote of Peter Dutton's and

(20:23):
the Liberal Party has plummeted from forty percent back in
November to now thirty five percent, so the same level
it was back in twenty twenty two. This is all
pointing two. As you said, they're header, they hung parliament.
So Anthony ALBINIZI if he used to win the election
on Saturday night, they need to negotiate with the cross bench,
particularly the Teals and the Greens to.

Speaker 13 (20:42):
Manage supply and I don't know. I hate the idea
of hung parliaments. We went through it with Tony Wins.

Speaker 14 (20:47):
And Rob Oakshot and the Gillard years and I don't
want to do that again.

Speaker 13 (20:50):
Just just get on with it, please.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
What's the problem with the welcome to country ceremonies.

Speaker 14 (20:55):
Well, Peter Dutton has indicated off the back of the
Antac Day commemoration ceremonies where the commemorations in both Melbourne
and Perth at the dawn service were I only to
say ruined this too strong a word, but we're interrupted
by people indicating they didn't like the welcome to Country ceremonies.
Peter Dutton's jumped onto that and indicated that it is
just being overdone at the moment.

Speaker 13 (21:16):
He would like to see it only reserved for major events.

Speaker 14 (21:21):
He's had a crack at Quantas as example, because when
your land are somewhere in Australia, they will acknowledge the
local people of the local tribe, and says that's overdone.
I think he's getting a bit of mileage out of
this one, though, Heather, because it does and it has
started to feel a bit token istick in this country.
A lot of these welcomed to country ceremonies, and look,
when they're done well and they're done powerfully, they're outstanding.

(21:41):
But when they are just done because you have to
basically tick a box, you think, well, why are we
doing it? And I think that's some of the sentiment
that came out of ANZAC Day that a lot of
veterans in particular find it quite difficult to comprehend that
they're being welcome to the country that they fought to
help save during the wars.

Speaker 13 (21:56):
So look this one again. As I said, they're throwing
the kitchen sink it everything at.

Speaker 14 (22:00):
The moment to try and wrestle a few votes back
from those outlier parties.

Speaker 13 (22:04):
This is one that's getting a lot of attraction in
Australia today.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
Do you think, though, that it's enough? I mean, because
generally it's accepted wisdom that what we vote about is
the economy and how we're feeling, and we've got enough
money in our pockets. So is something like this enough
to switch things around?

Speaker 15 (22:18):
I don't think so.

Speaker 14 (22:19):
But I think he's probably trying to capitalize off the
back of the no vote to the Voice referendum, and
he's feeling like he's trying to link those issues and
knows the sentiment wasn't there for that only a matter
of months ago.

Speaker 13 (22:31):
Really, it feels like though it was almost two years.

Speaker 14 (22:33):
He's looking that he can perhaps leverage that sentiment in
Australia into people deciding that they might not give a
vote to the Labour Party this Saturday, because that primary
vote again for both major parties, though that is very low.
You know, they're both in the thirty percent mark, although
if the Greens vote it helps obviously the Labour Party.

Speaker 13 (22:51):
The Libs are the ones who are particularly worry But
I agree with you. I don't think this is going to.

Speaker 14 (22:54):
Be somebody's major issue when they go to the ballot
box on Saturday.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
Now, what is going on? There is a situation where
a guy keeps on coming onto a family's property to
swim in the pool. Who is this guy?

Speaker 14 (23:06):
They don't know, but he's done it five times since
January and he's got a routine.

Speaker 13 (23:10):
So he goes to the Stephens home. He's obviously scoping
it out, knows they're not home.

Speaker 14 (23:14):
He leaves his shoes at the front door, goes around
to the back of the house and jumps in the pool,
they reckon. He's sweaty when he arrives, so he's probably
been for a bit of a run and he just goes, well,
he know it's home.

Speaker 13 (23:25):
He's going to jump in and just have a bit.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
Of a no fence or gate.

Speaker 13 (23:29):
Well, there's a fence in the gate.

Speaker 14 (23:30):
There's obviously security camera now too, because they've released the
vision to say, anybody know.

Speaker 13 (23:34):
Who the rogue swimmer is?

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Like, this is just this is.

Speaker 14 (23:36):
So Queensland that they're weird up there. They're so weird
the Queenslanders. Like, it doesn't really surprise me.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
That is pretty weird. Are you telling me that he is.
So he's leaving his shoes and he is scaling some
sort of a barrier.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
So he must know, like he knows they've got a pool.

Speaker 13 (23:53):
Well that he knows I've got a pool.

Speaker 14 (23:54):
And as the homeowners have said, the Stephens family, it's
just really creepy and weird because he clearly knows they're
not home.

Speaker 13 (24:00):
He's been scoping out the property.

Speaker 14 (24:02):
They wonder if he's going for a swim as a
bit of a reconnaissance to maybe come in and you
steal a few items from the house. So the cops
they're into it now, they're investigating the incident. He could
be charge of trespassing and even more if they catch
him in there, they find him in the pool when
they arrive, he could be in strife. But I reckon,
after he's probably seen himself on the television news services

(24:23):
last night.

Speaker 13 (24:24):
I reckon he's going to be finding a new pool.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Yeah maybe, Ollie, thank you, thanks for giving us some
context so we can understand they're just weird. That's Oliver Peterson,
six PM Perth Life presenter. Imagine that that happened to you. Hey, Okay,
a weird thing happened. We were talking on Thursday night
before we all went to wait for the long weekend
about this fire that was going on in Auckland, right,
it was a reasonably significant fire. Well, now it turns

(24:46):
out it wasn't just the fact that it was a
fire which has been devastating for the local community, but
as well as that, firefighters ran into some trouble because
these guys, a couple of the guys were up on
one of those long ladders and they were right up
there above the fire and they're like, right, it's getting hot.
Time to leave. Trucks broken, can't move, stuck. So it
was so hot that apparently one of them took their

(25:07):
gloves off in order to do something and had to
put the glove right back on again because the hand
was starting to get burnt. Anyway, fortunately they had a
second truck there that was able to come and fortunately
that ladder could go high enough to get those dudes down,
and they got them down. But the problem with us
is we have been warned for years now since the
sky City fire that these trucks are breaking down and
they are not fit for purpose, and blah blah blah.

(25:27):
So we and what's that six years ago? And apparently
they had some sort of a strategy that they're supposed
to be working on to see what they're going to
do about these trucks, and that strategy has been in
draft form for five years now. I don't know about you,
but if somebody in my team had something in draft
form for five years, they'd be out the door, do
you know what I mean? Anyway, we're going to talk
to the union about at ten past five. They can
explain that situation. Politics is next quarter too.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
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Speaker 3 (25:52):
Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editors of US. Hey, Thomas, Hey,
I see that the both coalition partners have come out
against this co governance situation and why target ranges yet?

Speaker 5 (26:01):
Yeah, this is very interesting. I think it's sort of
blew onto the public consciousness on your show actually, and
it's Shane Jones has really really ended up this morning
saying that he actually thinks this is co covenance and
he thinks it's a breach of the Coalition agreement because
obviously the Coalition Agreement is pretty clear that there are
there is to be no co governance of public services
and David Seymour has effectively in broad terms back there.

(26:25):
So it really puts the ball in National's court. We
haven't actually heard a lot from National at the moment.
We're going to probably hear a bit more this week
from them.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Well you hear a.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
Bit more at six o'clock because Nichola has gone away
to find out some information for us.

Speaker 5 (26:38):
Oh yes, why I heard last week when she was
on your show, she didn't seem to be aware of
it at all, So she suddenly she suddenly had plenty
of time to scrub up on it. So so, I
mean it will be really interesting to see where they
where they come at it from. Interesting too that the
Council doesn't sort of see it as a co govenance arrangement.
They see it as dating back to this two thousand
and eight deed, but certainly nationally to pretty clear that

(27:00):
they actually do they do see there's co governance and therefore,
and what Shane Jones is saying is that it would
be a breach of the Coalition agreement, which is very
very serious.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
Indeed, is it possible for central government to stop local
government from doing this?

Speaker 5 (27:14):
I mean that is the I think because the deed
itself as a legislative instrument, it might actually require it.
I mean, central government can ultimately do anything, but it
would require potentially a parliamentary intervention, which you know that
that that could that could be done. But of course
that that opens up a whole lot of other controver
controversies because then you'd you'd effectively have central government legislating

(27:35):
over the top of something that local government wants to do,
which does happen all the time. But but but neither
a good lock could become an issue in the election
this year so so certainly I think this has got
this has got legs the story.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
Yeah. Now, now I'm interested in the fact that Shane
Jones opposes it, but is only prepared to take a
member's bill to Parliament. So I mean if he I mean,
if they really oppose it, they are government, they can
stop it, right. Why are they doing all this members
bill stuff? Is this stuff? Is Is this preparing for
twenty twenty six?

Speaker 4 (28:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (28:02):
There is.

Speaker 5 (28:03):
I think you have hit upon something there with that's
just seen. You know that several members bills come through
in the last few weeks from New Zealand first, and
I think Actor is getting on and on the game
as well. It's sort of it's almost like legislative virtue signaling.
I think they're using members bills to make a point
and differentiate themselves. I think if you could, there could

(28:24):
be a case through a government bill, but then they'd
have to put that through the Cabinet committee that have
to go through cabinet, get government support for that that.
You know, you couldn't rule that out from happening in
this case. I'm not sure what the National Party thinks,
but perhaps they could be persuaded. Yeah, and the other
issue is, of course, you know, to go back to
the Coalition agreement. Those these three parties view the coalition

(28:47):
agreement as sort of sacred and if one party thinks,
and potentially two parties think that it's a breach of
that coalition agreement, then that's a very serious issue.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
Yeah, true too, right, Hey, listen, David Seymour, I see
he's rejected this advice from his Ministry for Regulation and
on the Bank's requirement with capital requirement rules. What do
you make of this?

Speaker 5 (29:03):
Yeah, like a quick bit bit of background. The Reserve
Bank has asked will force the trading banks to hold
more capital relative to the lending that they do. What
that means for you and me is that it means
more expensive loans, less less ability to borrow money, and
ultimately it means the economy grows slower than it would
have otherwise done, which is not ideal. David Seymore, the

(29:25):
act parties always, they've always opposed these rules. National doesn't
like them either. Interestingly enough, though, David Seamore asks REGs
Ministry to have a look at them, and the Regulations
Ministry said, well, the rules are actually not out of
line with what other country's rules are. David Seymour actually
thinks that the REGs Ministry is wrong in that case.
He's cited some other advice he received from them, that's

(29:47):
sorry in the public domain from PwC and the Banker's Association.
Dead advice says that actually our rules are twice as
onerous as the rules and some other parts of the world,
mainly Europe, and therefore they are they are as an
unfair in position on our economy. So so you know, essentially
he sided with he sided with the banks against his
own ministry. It doesn't really matter now at the moment.

(30:09):
It's sort of the issue is kind of dormant because
the Reserve bankers said that they're going to have a
look at the rules anyway, and potentially I would imagine
the rules will be weakened to be a bit more
pro lending, proeconomic growth. But certainly if the bank decides
to stick with the rules, then I would imagine that
this issue will bubble to the front burner again.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Yeap too, right, Hey, thanks very much. Thomas has always appreciated.
That's Thomas Coglin, the Herald's political editor. It's eight away
from five, putting the.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking Breakfast.

Speaker 7 (30:38):
Christopher Luxen is, well, this ACC and ACT and Mary procurement.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Are you up on this or sorry?

Speaker 16 (30:43):
I haven't been briefed on the ACC is se so
on the surface ACT to claiming that ACC is still
trying to procure services based on waste and there's this
cabinet piece of paper that says you can't do that.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
So ACT right, Well, we've.

Speaker 16 (30:54):
Got a circular that's about making sure public service is
delivered on the basis of need ACC have obviously, so
you got to procurement exercise up and running. The Minister
Scott Simpson, as I understand, it was quite comfortable in
the first instance. Obviously it's an operational decision for them,
but he's and now asked them to go back and
reassure themselves and him that that's been handled well.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
Back tomorrow at six am the mic Hosking Breakfast with
Maybe's Real Estate News Talk ZB Heather, we live in
Auckland and we used to have a house in Arrowtown
and someone was using our house when we weren't there
spa pool, drinking our booze, even storing their meat in
our freezer. There are definitely some creeps out there. How
weird is that on the co governance heather elected Parliament

(31:33):
is the ultimate authority over the country. That's right, Bob, absolutely,
But as you can well, as you can imagine, things
are not that simple, right. I mean, it is obviously
that simple for New Zealand First, and it is that
simple for the ACT Party, but their New Zealand First
and the ACT Party are very much playing to as
much smaller voter base, who in both cases know their minds.

(31:53):
National Party has a bit of a problem here right
because they want to they are a bit broader church.
They don't want to make people have the eck. If
they're legislating against co governance, then you know, like it
confuses people. Why don't you like the Treaty Principal's Bill,
but then you don't like co governance? Aren't you a
bunch of racists? Anyway? You know, like that that kind
of thing will be what they're considering anyway, So they
may not want to legislate against what Auckland Council is doing.

(32:15):
But anyway, I'm just trying to get inside their heads.
But I don't have to because we can talk to
Nicolaullis after six o'clock when she's with us on that conclave.
Apparently since the Pope died, there was in the twenty
four hours after the Pope's death a two hundred and
eighty three percent spike in streaming viewership of the movie Conclave.

(32:37):
I was one of them, as was Laura of the German. Yes, well,
did you do it in the twenty four hours? No,
neither of us. So neither of us did it in
the twenties. We're actually not part of that is just
twenty four hours. We're after that. So I bet you
in the week there would be this massive spike. I
only got maybe even in the fortnight. I only got
round to it on Saturday night. I haven't seen how
the movie ends, so don't tell me, but I'm hoping

(32:59):
that they are elector pope, and I'm hoping it didn't
take too long. And that's both for the movie and
just real life as well.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Digging through the spin spins to find the real story.
During it's Heather Duplicy on drive with One New Zealand
Let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Afternoon. The government's hoping to speed up building work by
giving builders plumbers and drain layers the power to inspect
their own work. It will also introduce mandatory targets for
inspection wait times by the end of the year. Chris
Pink is the Building in Construction Minister and is with
us now, Hey.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Chris, hello afternoon.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
So who's going to be able to self certify?

Speaker 17 (33:45):
Well, in the case of plumbers and drain layers, it
will be experience qualified registered personnel who are able to
tackle the boxes that are already met by electricians and
others who are already self stutify and actually in some
cases are already able to do their own work in
relation to drain excuse me, gas fitting work. So just
really you know, creating a level playing field there. And

(34:07):
then in terms of building companies, we haven't named the
companies yet. They've got to meet the criteria that we're
going to set out. But think those that are building
at scale, reputable, good track record, good insolvency or solvency
position rather so they can be trusted to sign off
their own work.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
I mean, the problem is though sometimes you can't see
the mistakes that you make, right, isn't there value in
having this set a set of a second set of
eyes on it.

Speaker 17 (34:29):
Yeah, Well, having a good quality assurance process that they
would undertake is part of it, and there will be
standards obviously that they've got to continue to meet. And
you know, they've got to have the right sort of
assurances and insurance in place as well, so they've got
every incentive to get it right. And you know, between
that and ordering kind of arrangements to make sure that

(34:50):
they remain on the straight and arrow, we're really confident
will add up to actually at least as good quality
as we've got at the moment.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
Now, the mandatory targets for inspection, right, you want eighty
per center the inspections to be done within three working days.
How close is that to what is happening at the moment.

Speaker 17 (35:06):
Well, it depends actually counseled by council, which is another
story for another day, in terms of those being quite variable.
But in some cases actually we're okay. In other cases
they will find it challenging and those are the ones
that need to spend more time and efforts taking a
risk proportioned approach, which means using remote inspection kind of
technology and so on. But actually we're really hopeful that

(35:27):
it will be easy enough to meet for those councils
that are well organized and doing their work, partly because
one in every three inspections at the moment is in
relation to plumbing work, which as we've just been discussing,
we won't require old mate from the council to churn
up with a clipboard to look at as well.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Chris, thanks very much, appreciate it, Chris, Building and Construction
Minister forgever dup cl. So the Professional Firefighters Union has
called for action after two firefighters got stuck up a
ladder above that recycling plant fire and Auckland last week.
What happened as the pair couldn't get down because the
truck broke and so they had to be rescued by
the second truck that was there. Now Martin and can
Amble is the vice president of the Professional Firefighters Union, Ham.

Speaker 15 (36:02):
Martin, Yeah, get out here.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
The house going good, thank you. What happened to the truck, Well, for.

Speaker 15 (36:08):
Whatever reason, the fire truck has broke down in the
middle of this major fire that happened on Thursday night,
and as you mentioned, the two firefighters were stranded and
had to be rescued. So all emergency backups set normally
kick in when the truck breaks down unfortunately also failed
so those firefighters had to be rescued. So now we're

(36:29):
hoping that a full and frank investigation will be done
and why that happened and how it could stop it again.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
Has this particular truck had trouble before?

Speaker 15 (36:37):
The truck has had had had troubles all the time
in the days leading up to it. There were several
faults with it, but unfortunately, we just don't have the
trucks out there to replace it with. And we don't
have it, they don't have the time to be able,
I dispose, spend some time and money actually making sure
it's working properly.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
What would have happened if there wasn't a second truck,
a second truck that came to that just happened to
be there and happened to be able to get to
the height that was required.

Speaker 15 (37:05):
What would have happened, Well, I hate to think worst
case scenario, those firefighters could have got severely burnt or
overcome completely with the tossic smoke. You know, we would
have had to do some crazy scenarios, well, throw ropes
up to them and they had to repel down or
something silly like that. So it's it's bigg as belief
as to what potentially could have happened.

Speaker 13 (37:27):
Now.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
I know that you guys have some concerns because after
the sky City fire, there was supposed to be some
sort of a draft strategy for dealing with these kinds
of trucks, and that's never got out of the draft stage.
Would that have made a difference.

Speaker 15 (37:38):
Well, certainly the strategy that the review from the sky
City fire, as you recommended the organization do with haste
and still hasn't done six years later, would have given
the organization their background es to where its priorities actually
need to lay, how many of these trucks they need
to buy, where the trucks need to be located, and

(37:58):
what type of trucks they should actually be replaced with.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
Yeah, Martin, listen, thank you very much. I really appreciate
your time. That's Martin Campbell, who's obviously with the Professional
Firefight is Union twelve past five?

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Ever do for sehether.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
It's three weeks for residential building inspections in Auckland and
makes planning your build very challenging. Three days would be fabulous, Absolutely,
it would, thank you very much. Craig. Now get a
load of this, Okay, Susie's textro used to live in Carey,
Carey in the seventies, in the seventies and eighties, or
in the seventies, who had been about eighty people crossing
farmland to get to the beach behind our home, saw
we had a pool, decided to use that instead of

(38:31):
going to the beach when court couldn't see what the
problem was. Now, so this right got a bunch of
texts on people doing this, apparently, and thank you very
much to whoever said this. Parent's called frogging. It happens
in the US, and there's even a thing on Netflix
if you're interested in watching it. And apparently it's just
like people who like staying in your home without you

(38:52):
knowing that it's ever happened. That like staying in your
home using your freezer, getting into your pool, getting into
your spapool, drinking your grog. And the whole point of
the game is that you never find out frogging. So
has it happened to you while you wouldn't know? Would you?
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so the police fitness by the way, coming up seventeen
past five. Police are ordering their recruitment process now because
it was revealed this morning that three applicants were allowed
to join the Police College despite the fact that they

(40:15):
failed the fitness test. Now, Paul Lmrod is the vice
president of the Police Association with US. Now, Hey, Paul,
hey Heather, do we still need them to pass the
fitness test?

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Absolutely?

Speaker 10 (40:29):
You know.

Speaker 18 (40:29):
Firstly, you do need a minimum standard that all parties
such as the union, police and government have agreed to
just to get into Police College. You know that's a given. Secondly,
Police College, you know it's a pretty high pressure learning environment.
It's not just class study. There's driver training, firearms, taser, baton,
hand to hand combat and if your physical condition isn't

(40:52):
up to at least a minimum level, invariably you'll be
injured and that'll put more pressure on your learning. Then
it could probably even delay your graduations. You have to
be fit to get down there, to be able to
not have to concentrate on an added extra while you're
at peace corpture.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
Do you suspect that these three have been added to
try to make up numbers in order to get to
the target of five hundred by November.

Speaker 18 (41:17):
We haven't been told why these three, whoever they are,
have been given an exemption from the PA.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
Is there possibly another explanation?

Speaker 18 (41:27):
No, I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
So you think that it's to make up the numbers
to get to five hundred, Well.

Speaker 18 (41:34):
The PAT the scoring system has changed. So when I
went in a number of years ago, you either passed
or you failed. So now that it's on a points system,
so you have to get eleven points of the PAT
and that's broken up into the run, the jump, push
ups in a grip test. So they've kind of realized

(41:55):
that maybe the heavier set b m I much as
our rugby players, wouldn't fit into the mold. So they've gone, okay,
well we can score it differently and you know that
will help get people into COLM.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
Is it possible that somebody and who needs to get
to eleven points got to ten? Almost there but not quite.
But then somebody up at the upper levels was like, look,
this person is a super brain. We need them to
come and do the scam fighting. So they're going to
be sitting behind a desk, they're not really going to
be tackling anybody on the street past them.

Speaker 18 (42:29):
No, because everyone has to do that when you start here,
So it doesn't matter you know what your your cognitive
level is in that space. Yeah, you can move into
that area, but you're still a police officer, and a
police officer has minimum requirements and if you are sworn,
then you're expected to be able to do the job
as every other police sworn Plea.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
Hey, Paul, thank you. I really appreciate your time. I
mate this Paul Elmrod who's the New Zealand Police Association
Vice president. Scott Sibson. Okay, here we go. Clarification from
Scott Simpson's office. Look, there's always a risk when you
repeat these things that you have to do a clarification.
So what so Scott Simpson's office, thank you for listening.

(43:09):
We're listening. When we were discussing the fact that Scott
has taken a family day today and and that that
is why he's unavailable to be on the show, they
have called up. They've said Scott's not on a family day.
Talked to producer Laura not on a family day today.
She said, well that's what you told me. No, not
on a family day today. No, had a medical procedure

(43:30):
that was arranged a long time ago, So we're going
to take them at maybe they said it the first
time round, and because they would, because look, let's be honest,
sometimes when you're having a medical procedure, you don't want
to have to go into it, do you, Because you
don't want to have to then, so then people are like, well,
what was it? And then you don't want to have
to talk about it, so you sometimes say another story,
like a family day or something like that. So we're

(43:52):
clarifying that because a medical procedure is better to have
out there than a family day. But the subjects coming
up with Nikola willis though, isn't it. We're still going
to talk about what happened with the acc thing, aren't we?
Five twenty one.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Informed Insight into today's issues. It's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive
with one New Zealand. Let's get connected.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
News talk sa'd be five twenty three.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
Now.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Look, here's a piece of advice that I think is
always quite pertinent. Does it be careful what you wish for,
especially if what you're currently wishing for is a New
Zealand to be forced to drop its prices. Now, this
is a hardy annual. We've talked about this before, We're
going to talk about this million times in our lifetimes.
And it's popped up again at the moment because it
is school holiday's time. It's just been school holiday's time
and this one always pops up at school loti day's time.

(44:39):
Consumer New Zealand is complaining, in particular that a New
Zealand has bumped the price of its flights to Australia
by forty three percent for the school holidays, which they
reckon is double what Quantis did. And also, more prominently,
there was a grumpy dad who complained that it was
cheaper for him to be able to fly to la
than it was for his daughter to fly from Todunger
to Wellington in order to go back to university. Now,

(45:02):
what apparently we think the solution here is is to
conduct another market study. And we're very grumpy that the
minister didn't want to do a market study, but apparently
that's what we need. Now, let me ask you this
before you jump down this rabbit hole of thinking that
a market study is the solution. When was the last
market study that changed your life? Was it the one
with the petrol prices that dropped the price of petrol,

(45:23):
No me, neither was it the one with the building
supplies that led to cheaper building supplies, No me, neither
was it the one with the groceries that let no,
none of them have led to cheaper anything. But even
if it did, right, so it wouldn't work. But even
if it did, would you be happy if it changed
something about the prices, because ultimately someone has to pay, right,
that price doesn't just go nowhere, it goes somewhere. If

(45:46):
we forced to in New Zealand to drop the price
that that dad is paying for his daughter to get
back to Wellington for university, someone would have to cover
the difference that it dropped. And you know who that
would be, don't you, Because it would be the government
this one option subsidizing the cost, which means you, you
and I because we're the taxpath. Or it would be
a hit to the profits that the owners of Air
New Zealand are making, which again is the government. So

(46:08):
that's you and I. So either way we are paying
if those prices go down. Now, I don't like how
how expensive Air New Zealand is. Like an everybody I
myself have chosen not to fly because of the price
of tickets between Auckland and Wellington. I wanted to go
see some friends in Wellington. I thought, no, I can't
justify that spend. That's outlandish, so I just didn't go.
I wish that that dad didn't have to pay that

(46:30):
much for his daughter to go from totinga to Wellington.
But if his daughter is going to catch the flight,
I would rather it be him paying the price of
that ticket than the rest of us helping him out
to pay the price of the ticket. So be careful
what you.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Wish for what hever do for see Allen.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
Now warning, if you find chat about the COVID lockdowns
and COVID in general triggering, then I need to warn
you do not go and watch Seawan Hendy's interview on
Q and A yesterday because you're probably gonna end up
wanting to throw things at the TV after this, because
because look, I'm sure Sean means well, he doesn't want

(47:06):
anyone to die, and he wants to help people out
and so on and so on. But Sean seems to
be still stuck in twenty twenty one, still live in
that COVID life of his because he hasn't done a
lot of self reflection since then. I don't I don't think.
Do you remember how Sean's research was used to predict
that eighty thousand of a thousand of us would die

(47:27):
from COVID if we did nothing to stop it, Well,
eighty thousand, just remember that. Well, apparently Sean didn't mean that.

Speaker 19 (47:33):
I mean it later got picked up and used, you know,
almost on as a piece of misinformation.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Like a deliberate piece of message.

Speaker 19 (47:42):
Yeah yeah, or even inadvertently by people who didn't quite
understand what the models were saying, and so it got recirculated.
So really, you know, I think initially people, you know,
we did an okay job getting that across it did
that number eighty thousand did appear in the headlines, But
you know, I think people understood what.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Was going on.

Speaker 19 (48:02):
But later it came to be used, you know, to
discred up the modeling when it really wasn't a production.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
Wasn't it wasn't it Sean? That's news to me. I am, wow,
you didn't mean that. I love how Sean was like, oh,
it's misinformation, and everybody understood at the time. No, no, no, no,
we didn't understand that. We did not know. We didn't
know when you said eighty thousand people were going to die,
we thought eighty thousand people were going to die. I

(48:28):
love that because if you go back to do a
quick google to it, she's just do a little covid
en z eighty thousand. You will find it's not some
fringies who were reporting there's not. It's not in the
look some footnotes that some anti vaccine conspiracy theorists dug
up and used to discredit his information. It's in literally
every mainstream media is reporting around the twenty fourth and

(48:51):
twenty fifth of March twenty twenty. So don't go watch
the interview, please just do me a favor. Headlines next.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
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your drive home, it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one
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Speaker 2 (49:13):
News talk sa'd be.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
Flowers my name and said, chucking myself our Heather. The
eighty thousand number wasn't correct. Why didn't Sean Hendy corrected
at the time, Well, there's a question. Hey, okay, look
it was a blur and there was a lot at
the time, there were a lot of one o'clock press conferences.

(49:35):
But was that the one we're just Sinda held up
the chart showing all the like the eighty thousand number,
or did she pull out the chart at a later date.
I don't know, but it felt like that was the
one where or was that the one where they had
to remember when they had the press conference and just
Sinda was on one side, and then Ashley was on
the other side, and then Sean got bend into the
middle via zoom link and he was above them at

(49:57):
the puorport of truth?

Speaker 4 (49:58):
Was it that one?

Speaker 3 (49:59):
I can't remember? Anyway, I feel like they made a
big deal about the eighty thousand and now they were like,
we didn't actually mean it. By the way, just being
reported at the moment that Anton Lennart Brown is going
to miss Super Rugby next year to take a sabbatical
at a Japanese club. It's Kobe by the looks of things,
not being confirmed officially, but it's understood, So embrace yourself
with that announcement. Huddles with us shortly twenty three away

(50:19):
from six Now, did you know that counsels can recover
your unpaid rates if you choose not to pay them?
By tapping into your mortgage. It turns out millions of
dollars in unpaid council rates were taken directly from property
owners mortgages last year. Sam Warren is the local government
spokesperson for the Taxpayers Union and with us. Hey Sam,

(50:39):
can you hear me? Sam?

Speaker 12 (50:41):
I can can you hear me?

Speaker 20 (50:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (50:42):
I can hear you. Now did you know that they
could do this?

Speaker 12 (50:45):
Look, it's a new piece of legislation to me, and
it's actually quite a little known. It's under the Local
Government Ratings Act where they can basically extract your mortgage
or arrears. Sorry, your rates are reared through your mortgage
and not me. People know that, but I think all
Can Council, for example, used it eight thousand times last
year alone. So there you go.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
How do you feel about it?

Speaker 12 (51:07):
Look, I mean a little split sometimes. I mean they
need their rates paid. But look, I think the biggest
issue for us is that it's happening in the first place.
Rates last year increased fifteen percent on average, you know,
up and down the country. I want to see a
lot more done by councils to reign in that spending
and get rates down as though as possible. So this
doesn't happen.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
Yeah, totally.

Speaker 4 (51:26):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Now, the thing is they say it's a last resort.
You know, they do everything else before they can do this.
How long do you know how long they leave or
what does last resort mean? I mean, how long do
they leave it before they tapp into your mortgage?

Speaker 12 (51:38):
Yeah, look, there's a number of letters, you'll be getting
a number of calls I'm thinking, and maybe even the
house visit. But look, this is a last resort, thank goodness.
But you don't want to say far.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
I thought that they waited until you died or sold
your part before they claimed it.

Speaker 12 (51:51):
No, not quite. There's a time carried. I think it's
within you know how many months. But basically, if they
can't get through to you and they find out you
owe a mortgage, they'll talk to your bank mortgage provider
and stack it on your rates, so you know, and
if you don't, obviously, they'll then pursue their own debt collection,
and worst comes worse, they'll sell your house, which happens rarely,
but it does happen.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
Sam, I feel so conflicted about this because obviously I
pay my rates, so I want everybody to pay their rates.
But I also understand if somebody doesn't want to pay
their rates because councils suck, Right, there's just so much
waste there. Is this a problem? Is this a modern
day problem with the bloating of the public service, or
is this just something we will always have as long
as we have to, as long as we're compelled to

(52:33):
give our money to something like this.

Speaker 12 (52:35):
Look, I hope for the best. It's just that last year,
for example, that like I say, fifteen percent rate increases,
it's cited as one of the biggest contributions to the
cost of living. So we're really strong on something called
rates capping laws that would actually limit how high your
rates can be increased, and hopefully they would keep all
these arears down councils. You know, I spend a career
uncovering council waste all my goodness, it's endless. So look,

(52:59):
I really want.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
To see strong I've come across.

Speaker 12 (53:01):
Oh, here there are give me your worst. I'll give
you a recent one. How's that okay? It's it was
at a five hundred and sixty thousand dollars rainbow machine
from Auckland Council. It's a sculpture that you might have
seen up and down the place.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
But that's a machine. What does it make rainbows?

Speaker 2 (53:18):
It refracts light.

Speaker 12 (53:19):
Yeah, it's an interactive art sculpture. But like I say,
it's I don't think that's core council spending, particularly when
everyone's doing so rough at the moment. So I really
would like to see council really stick to basics. I'm
talking about rubbish, roads pipes, that sort of thing and
leave the artwork. I mean, it's tough, I know, but look,
it's just tough.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
It is tough. Sam, Thank you, I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (53:39):
Man.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
That's Sam Warren, local government spokesperson at the Taxpayers Union.
Twenty away from six.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
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Speaker 3 (53:51):
Josephagani of Child found in tri Sharson of Sheharson, Willis
Parra's with us. How are you two? Hello, Trish? Did
you know about the rainbow machine?

Speaker 4 (54:01):
I didn't know about the rainbow machine, and I'm obviously
outraged about that. But also I didn't know about this
clause in the local government legislation that that meant, you know,
councilors can go off to your bank and and try
and recover rates on the mortgage. It's a pretty it's
a pretty full on step for organization an organization to

(54:21):
be able to take. And I'm not sure if anyone
else Josie might know, but I can't think of any
other organization that's able to do that, to reach and
via your lender. I guess for me, I'm a bit
like you here that I'm conflicted on it. But I
also think that the big issue here is affordability of rates.

(54:42):
And you know, as per your previous interview, e, the
rates rises that people are facing with no prospect of
or understanding of where they're actually going to cap out.
That's the real worry here. So you not only can
councils reacn and you know, put this on your mortgage

(55:03):
if you haven't paid, but also into the future, you know,
there is real concern that if someone doesn't get local
governments under control, you know, they are going to become
completely unaffordable for a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
Yeah, what do you make of it, Josie.

Speaker 11 (55:19):
I'm not conflicted. I actually think this is really good.
And as a rate payer, as you both just said,
I pay my rates, I get bugger all for it
no rubbish collection. I don't even have a pavement to
walk on outside my house. I don't even have potholes
to complain about. But you know, I pay my rates.
So I think if you've got council waste, if you've
got them spending money on rainbow machines and as up

(55:40):
here in Compardy there was an awful piece of artwork
that the council stopped funding. Good on them and then
there was a petition for the community to keep funding
it and it's just like, just take it down, we
don't want it. So I don't mind about this, but
I do think that there should be processes around it,
and there are they so as far as I am.
And the council goes through a whole bunch of things

(56:02):
where if you're struggling to pay, they give you time,
they help you with the payment plan. If you're doing
it as a protest because you think the council is
wasting money, well just wait to vote the guys out.
Wait to vote the council out. So there are mechanisms
for that, and you know, and then they have to
apply for it a year in advance, so they have
to give a year's notice and then they can take

(56:23):
the money if you're not paying, and they should do
because if they if people don't pay, then then everybody
else has got to pay more.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
Josie, So, who's your mayor? By the way, I'm up
in company and it is you know who it is?

Speaker 4 (56:41):
I do.

Speaker 11 (56:41):
It's Jill Thing.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
I've heard about it.

Speaker 11 (56:45):
Yeah, oh god, Laura, google it, save me google it.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
There's Janet Janet, Janet.

Speaker 11 (56:51):
Jill Holbrook, Janet Holbrook, thanks Olbro.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
Yes, No, yeah, it's Janet Smith. Josie. No, I'm just
making at Smith, which making up names to see just
how how bad.

Speaker 11 (57:03):
You are, Joseph Janet.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
Okay, so let's say Janet the mayor decides that she
is going to increase your rates by three thousand dollars
a quarter from next quarter. Are you going to be
chill with here and be like, yeah, okay, that's fair enough.
We're all paying it, so we'll just keep paying it.

Speaker 11 (57:19):
No, I'm going to vote her out and anybody else
who agrees with her and get.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
But I mean, and this is fundamentally the problem. That
isn't it trish that the next pody you get in
you can't really like, does anybody have any confidence that
they're going to be different, because you've still got the
same bros sitting in the council.

Speaker 4 (57:33):
We don't and we still have the absolute lack of
of fiscal discipline to realize that, you know, they just
can't keep on spending and taxing homeowners through rates like
they are. And that is a fantastic stat to come
back to. So the fact that rates now with insurance

(57:56):
are one of the greatest domestic drivers of cost of
living or really inflation in New Zealand. And again, you know,
government's all focused on private businesses and hammering them over
rising price in competition, but these rates rises, they not
only go across private homeowners, but they are a major
contributor to the increasing costs of running a business in

(58:19):
New Zealand. So they have to be bought under.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
They really, really do. Guys, will take a break, thanks
so much, just stay with us.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
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Speaker 3 (58:32):
Promise, right, Josie, how do you feel about the police
waiving three of those people into the Police college even
though they didn't meet the fitness test.

Speaker 11 (58:40):
So I'm struggling to see what the big panic is
about this is. And also I want to say, well,
and I'm sounding a bit flinty tonight, I know, but
what the hell is Labour's political game here? Like they're
careful not to comment on everything, they don't bark at
every car, and then suddenly suddenly this is the most
devastating critique of the government. You can make that three

(59:03):
trainee cops got through with that.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
Okay, So physical is it possible that the reason they're
jumping on it now in April is because they know,
like anybody with half a brain, that on November twenty seven,
the government is not going to meet that target. So
if they start hopping on about it now, they can
say I told you so in November and we will
know that they did tell us so, and it's egg
on the government's face.

Speaker 11 (59:25):
Yes, but what they're actually doing and I think that's right.
I think the critique about the five hundred new cops
by twenty twenty seven is really unrealistic and the government's
going to have to face that. But what Labour's targeting
here is, oh Mark Mitchell, Minister of Police, is putting
pressure on operations and cops to get them through the
course quickly without doing the physical blah blah blah. And

(59:48):
I'm thinking, so what is your alternative?

Speaker 12 (59:50):
Guys?

Speaker 11 (59:50):
Are you saying that we shouldn't be recruiting more police
although you saying that we should have. That there's some
massive political pressure coming on here, or that there's you know,
or that we should just pay police more and then
we get more there. Well, where's the money going to
come from? I mean, it just feels like this is
the most devastating critique they can come up with the

(01:00:11):
National Coalition government. Come on, guys, get your shit together.

Speaker 5 (01:00:15):
What do you reckon?

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
Trush?

Speaker 13 (01:00:17):
Well, I just thought.

Speaker 4 (01:00:19):
Extremely rich coming from Labor. I mean, this is this
is a party who throughout their last six year term
in office repeatedly dropped standards. They dropped standards in the police,
they dropped standards across everything else. They didn't want measurements
on anything. So rich now to be coming and having

(01:00:40):
a go at supposedly an absolute storm and a teacup
in my view and the police. I mean I heard
Mark Mitchell this morning. He was very clear he thinks
these standards should absolutely be in place. Had nothing to
do with it. He's actually an ex cop so knows
what he's talking about. And to be honest, I just
think it makes look a little bit silly, and you know,

(01:01:03):
they actually don't know where to aim their gun on this.

Speaker 11 (01:01:06):
Can I just say one thing, Heather, I think because
I think, you know, there's criminals coming out of jail
who've spent the last five to ten years doing nothing
but go to the gym and buffing up. So I
do actually want our cops to do a physical training
because I think it protects them and it protects us.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
Well, yeah, but Josie, I mean nowadays, right See, I'm
not that stressed out about it because nowadays a lot
of bed and the cruise around in their cop cars
just making us feel safe. Like some of them are
definitely just you know, performative. So the performative ones don't
have to do the fitness test, do they.

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
Well, I think most of the cops I see on
the beat are absolutely ripped. And I often think that
is men and woman. I often think how it's like
it's well, it's like, yeah, well it's like looking at
the all black sea safety.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Looking at the cops.

Speaker 4 (01:01:54):
Well, in a safety conscious vein, I might air are
you up to the task of protecting the community. But
I often think it's like looking at the all Blacks
now compared to twenty five years ago. They are far
more sort of built and physical because that's what the
job requires.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
Yep, fair enough, Hey, very very quickly, how do you feel,
Trish about the build of self certifying?

Speaker 4 (01:02:18):
Absolutely fantastic. I mean, talk to anyone in New Zealand
trying to build anything and the red tape and trying
to get people to come and certify, sometimes five or
six times building inspectors have to come. It's an absolute
joke and it's costing people hundreds of thousands of dollars.
So I think this is fantastic.

Speaker 11 (01:02:38):
Josie, Yeah, I mean both the left and the right
have to focus on getting stuff done, getting stuff built,
and there's a movement away from thinking about small government,
big government left right and just thinking about abundance in
building getting stuff done. I think this is really really good.
And look at there's one example where in California they
have followed every process, in every consent process to get

(01:03:00):
a Californian high speed rail. They have yet to get
a train.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
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Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
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Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
Apparently five away from six. By the way, apparently it's
not only the councils that can get into your bank
account if they need to retrieve money. I've had a
bunch of texts saying it's the IRD. They can do
it too. It's and I can't verify this. I'm just
basically telling you what I'm hearing. IRD can do it too.
Insurance companies can do it, and the courts can do
it as well. They can get into your bank account.
But it seems to me that the way to get

(01:03:42):
around the old rates thing, and look, this is like
this is like this is life goals, isn't it. The
way to get around the rates thing is to pay
a f your mortgage because then they can't tap into
your mortgage, can they, Because they can't do it if
you don't have one. So anyway you can pay a
your mortgaging because no, don't because then the rest of
us are going to have to bail you out now
on can I okay? You and I know that on

(01:04:04):
one of the by the way, on the cops, there
is a lot of traffic coming through on this and
people are not happy about what's.

Speaker 16 (01:04:10):
Going on here.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
We're losing quality cops who are experienced with great bins,
but not bodies to be able to pass. It's such
a shame. So apparently I'm not the only person out
there who thinks it's totally fine to have some ready
and fat cops. Fat cops on one end, ready cops
on the other end, as long as they're in a
uniform and can do something with their brains. I'm happy
you and I know that. I do not love counsels,

(01:04:31):
boy do. It's triggering. It's like it's like, you know
how how vaccines set off the conspiracy theorists. Well, I'm
like that with counsels. So it may come as a
shock to you to tell you that I have had
nothing but the world best experience with Auckland Council lately.
Now that the producers have both told me, well no, actually,
Laura the German has told me, do not mention the

(01:04:52):
fact that you're having a pool put into your house
because you sound like you're rich, and I take that
on board. And I'm still telling you that I'm having
a pool put in because I feel like honesty is
an important thing. So I have done the most extravagant
thing ever in my life as far as I'm concerned,
and decided to get a pool because Auckland's hot, and
I really wanted a pull for maternity leave, and I

(01:05:14):
wanted a pool for maternity leave. Have you heard anything
more extravagant than that. I didn't get one for maternity leave.
Let's not cut out selves anyway. It doesn't work that fast.
But anyway, so I decided I was going to treat myself.
I've been working for what like twenty years. I haven't
spent a lot of money on anything, frankly, and so
I'm going to get myself this treat. So I got
a pool, getting a pool put in, and the council.

(01:05:34):
Things get stuck at council, they do. You know, you've
got to get the consent and stuff, and things got
stuck at council level. So I called Min at Auckland
Council in the processing team. I called Min and I said, Min,
you help me out here because this thing is dragging
and I really want to get this done fast. And
can I tell you Min was awesome, But then men
had to stop because he had a thing they had
to go overseas, and so it got stuck again. So

(01:05:55):
I called men's boss and I said, mate, listen, can
you help me out. Min's not answering my phone call.
So he told me the next one who's dealing with it,
And I called him and he Ken was amazing as well.
So actually, if you call them and you're decent to them,
they are awesome. At council level, it's just about being
decent yourself sometimes and the squeaky wheel. Let's be honest,
Nicola will anyway shout out to Auckland Council. Nicola Willis

(01:06:16):
is with us next.

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Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
Coming up in the next hour. It looks like the
capital markets have chilled out now post the Trump upheaval.
Shane Soley on that the Airport's Association not loving government regulation.
Reckon they should be looking at any New Zealand instead.
We'll have a chat to them. And Gavin Gray is
with us out of the UK right now it is
eight past six and with us as Nicola willis the
Finance Minster. Hi, Nicola, now, what have you found out

(01:07:01):
about the why targeted co governance situation? I found out that.

Speaker 20 (01:07:05):
This is very much an Auckland Council lead issue. DOC
is only party to the discussions at all because it
administers less than one percent of the way TACKERI ranges.
So Auckland Council is leading this consultation. Our position as
the National Party is clear and is the government. We
don't support co governance of public services and we would

(01:07:29):
have significant concerns with any proposal that saw public access
to public land restricted without a very good reason, which
would be something like closing the tracks for safety.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
Okay, do you think this is co governance?

Speaker 20 (01:07:41):
Well, I've seen a range of views on that from councilors.
Most of hom are saying no, it's not co governance.
Ownership and decision making stays with the local boards and
the Council. But I think you need to get Auckland
Council on your show to ask them that question. Where
we went brown and all of this.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
Okay, that's a very good point. We'll talk to the mayor.
We spoke to Richard Hill's who is the councilor leading this.
He says it's not co governance, but they can at
Auckland Council delegate the decision making to this committee, which
then makes it co governance, doesn't it.

Speaker 20 (01:08:16):
Well, are they intending to do that because I don't
understand that that's what they've consulted on, and my view
would be that they should be listening to the feedback
they get from rate payers.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
It sounds to me like you're telling them to tie
hoa heir.

Speaker 20 (01:08:30):
Well, the act the law is clear. It is a
local act, so it requires the Auckland Council to make
sure it's got good engagement and consultation with EWI. But
then how they administer that is a matter for the
council and I think they should be very clear with
their ratepayers about what they're doing and why they're doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
Okay, So would you be happy if what happens because
the EWI wants. It is that there is restriction. About
thirty five percent of the park is restricted to public access,
something like thirteen to fourteen percent of the tracks are
shut down.

Speaker 20 (01:09:03):
Well, look, as I said, I'd be pretty concerned with
any proposal that saw public access to public land restricted
without a very good reason. And I think that I
would not be alone in having that view, and I'd
suggest that many ratepayers would have that view. So it
is for the Auckland Council to explain.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
Okay, if you didn't like what you saw, you could
pass the law and stop it, would you.

Speaker 20 (01:09:25):
There is some complexity there because the Heritage Area Act
under which the Council is acting is a local act,
so any change to the legislation actually has to come
from Auckland Council in the first instance.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
So that means that so central government legislation can only
be changed by the local government body at.

Speaker 20 (01:09:45):
Effects where it's a local act and Auckland Council the
administering are the administering agency for that act. So if
we were to change the specific legislation, that would have
to come from Auckland Council. Let me be clear, there's
no requirement the legislation for co governance. There's no requirement
in the legislation for a committee of the sort that

(01:10:06):
the Council is proposing. This is very much an initiative
from Auckland Council that's not required by law. So as
I say, it's up to Auckland Council to answer why
they're going about it in this manner.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
Okay, And so what do you think Wayne Brown has
got his fingers in this one.

Speaker 20 (01:10:24):
I don't know whether he does it all, but I
just think that to understand why they're doing it, what
it means, what the implications are, he's the better person
to be talking to than me. Point because, as you
learned last week, the first time it came across my
desk was half now before your show.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
Well, we'll take your advice and we might get him
on now on this business with ACC. And this is
very similarly themed. Right, Why did Scott Simpson change his
mind on ACC's race targeting on Thursday?

Speaker 20 (01:10:48):
Because the government has a very clear Cabinet circular which
applies to all Crown Agents that says that service delivery
should be based on need and not race. And in
this instance he has gone back to ACC and said,
could you please have another look at your proposed tender,
because it appears that it has just gone straight to

(01:11:09):
targeting on race rather than looking at what actually are
the issues here. So, for example, this is about people
being safe and manufacturing sites. It might just be that
some jobs are more dangerous than others. So why are
you leaping to race as the target in this tender.
I understand ACC have now put that tender on hold
and are having another look at it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
Yeah, but he on Thursday he initially backed it, didn't they.

Speaker 20 (01:11:34):
I think in the first instance he respected the operational
independence of ACC, but that operational independence acts not extend.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
Yeah, I'll tell you what I said. It was a
written statement in newsroom, and he said the tender aligns
with the government's desire to support New Zealanders based on
evidence of need. Knowing it was race based, he still
backed it.

Speaker 20 (01:11:54):
Well, look, I'm not going to put words in Scott
Simpson's mouth. What I think is happening here is the
right thing, which is the ten. It has been put
on pause. ACC have been asked to ensure that they
are complying with Cabinet's direction and to set out their evidence.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
Okay, they are now now I respect the fact that
every time this is raised with the government, your government,
you guys change it and you put the kibosh on it.
But it worries me that it takes some sunlight on
it to get to this point. You're not just behind
the scenes waving this stuff through as long as we
don't know about it, are.

Speaker 20 (01:12:23):
You no, Because that's the reason we did that cabinet
directive so that every agency knows before you try this
stuff on, you need to make sure you're complying with
the rules. And actually there are many many cases that
probably would have happened if it went for that circular.
It is believe accident like this, it seems a very
clear missaye to the rest of the public service. This

(01:12:45):
stuff isn't on it okay. But now that the government's
changed and we have a different set of rules, I.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
Would believe that, and I would be fine with that,
and I would be able to blame the public servants
in this one. Except Scott knew about it. And Scott
was like, nah, it's okay by me. So why is
your own minister saying it's okay.

Speaker 20 (01:13:00):
To be fair here that, as you know, he's our
newest minister. He wasn't there at the time discussions we
had on that circular.

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
Well, look, he's not a newb and you know that, Nikoler,
he's not a newbie.

Speaker 20 (01:13:12):
Well, he is new to the ministry and that is
that is a fact.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
Wasn't he in the last National government?

Speaker 20 (01:13:20):
Well he's he only was made a minister a few
months ago on this government.

Speaker 3 (01:13:25):
Well, you might do you need to send out a
directive to your ministers as well.

Speaker 20 (01:13:30):
Well, it's always my expectation that people be complying with
cabinet directives. Of course, I won't be sending out that
memo that goes without being said.

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
Hey, okay, now on RNZ because this thing's blown up
because Winston threatened to defund them and blah blah blah.
Are you going to cut their budget?

Speaker 20 (01:13:45):
All funding decisions are announced as part of the budget,
and I am not ruling anything or in or out
between now and budget day because that game gets pretty
boring pretty quickly.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
This is true, But is all of their money safe?

Speaker 20 (01:13:57):
As I've said, I'm not going to be making any
fun decisions until we announce them at the budget.

Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
Okay, Well, in that case, it's pointless me asking you
about taxing charities.

Speaker 4 (01:14:07):
Is it.

Speaker 20 (01:14:09):
No, it's not either, because as you know, it was
my intention that we would make any changes to charity
tax law at the budget. But I won't be making
changes at the budget, and I can confirm that because
we are continuing work in this area. We had a
short sharp consultation with the Charity Sectorm or the nine

(01:14:29):
hundred submissions, and that's thrown up two key things. The
first is that the potential revenue that the government would
get from this is pretty small. Some people were throwing
numbers around billions of dollars. It's more like, at the
most fifty million dollars a year. So it's not essential
to our budget that we hurry these changes through. And

(01:14:51):
what officials have advised is that the consultation has uncovered
a lot of complexity about definitions and rules and how
charities would react in so we want to get it
completely right, so I'll be taking further advice on it.
My goal is to make sure the system's fair and
it has high integrity, So I won't be making changes
at the budget because we simply haven't landed exactly what

(01:15:13):
the policy changes should look like.

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
Now, why is it so small, Why is it only
fifty million dollars a year, because I mean that surprises
me given the size of just pack Sanitarium by itself.

Speaker 20 (01:15:23):
Yeah, because that's it the most. So if you take
that example of sanitarium, if we were to say we're
now not exempting your business from tax, what they could
do is instead make that make their profits a donation
back to the Seventh day Adventist Church, their parent and
get around them and that yet well, yeah, that's right,

(01:15:43):
they'd get around it, and so they wouldn't in fact
be paying any more tax. And there are many effects
like that that occur. As you appreciate, tax law is
pretty complex. There are all these sorts of loopholes and
ways through it. How do you define what is business
related to the charity and what isn't. How do you
ensure that you're not just encouraging people to put funding

(01:16:05):
into passive funds. So there's all sorts of questions that
the consultation has thrown up. Want to work through it carefully,
very committed to making sure we've got a fair system
with high integrity. We will be making changes in the space,
but I don't want to rush it and get it wrong, all.

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
Right, Nichola thank you for telling us that Nichola Willis
the Finance minister. Better that we find out now rather
than on budget Day. Seventeen past six.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
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Speaker 3 (01:16:32):
Zeppi heathern Nikola Willis just smashed it every time you
tried to pin her or national down on co governance.
She turned the tables for the best. But Scott Simpson
went under the bus and rightly so. Excellent interview. Simon,
Thank you. I think you've meaning for Nicholain rather than me.
But can I just put you know how Nikola was
like Scott's new Well, hang on, it's okakay. If you
go to Scott's little profile on the Beehive website, I

(01:16:54):
will remind you Scott was a Minister of Statistics in
the last Keyga movement yes under Bill English yes twenty seventeen.
Minister of Statistics in twenty seventeen, Associate Minister of Immigration
in twenty seventeen, Associate Minister of Environment in twenty seventeen.
So he's not a fresh one. Twenty past six, Shane

(01:17:14):
solely harbor asset management is with US right now. Hey, Shane,
get aheather now, Shane, why have the capital markets started
to chill out?

Speaker 21 (01:17:22):
Yeah? Yeah, we've actually seen a bit of a recovery.
Excuse me, he were shares back up a pretty solid week.
Last week actually saw the US, the U S and
P five hundred, that's the main one people talk about
four point six percent tech market, Tech, the NASDAK up
six points in in big balance, even mister muss Tessler
upper eighteen percent. So it's all about some of this

(01:17:44):
stepping away in tariff. So this moderation in tariffs is
stepping off the heat from both the US and China.
Whether mister Trump he keeps on saying, hey, look we're
going to drop tariffs to China, but with something substantial
in return. So the markets like that. Markets also liked
the fact we had some pretty good profit results out
of the US companies, so they've been better and the

(01:18:05):
outlook's been better. But it's really about this tariff news
been quieter. They're stepping away. The US market the biggest,
and P five hundred only down one and a half
percent month to day, the Naisdack the tech market up
on the on the month. Not many people to pick back.
And our market here today was up point seventy percent,
so we're only down one point four percent. So yeah,
markets are seeing things we might have seen the worst.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
But were there a couple of share price moves here
in New Zealand that reflected what's going on with tariffs.

Speaker 21 (01:18:34):
Yeah, we're not immune. And if you've knowed that the
healthcare stock Fish and Park with health Care Act, she
was up today is a bit of a delayed reaction
to one of its comparable businesses, Rismid, which is a
US business. They had a better result last thusday and
they specifically talked about some of their products being exempt
from some of the potential US government tariffs, and they're

(01:18:56):
had pretty good demands. So the market's been a bit
delayed and picking that up. But it is Hey, maybe
fishing Bible can be exempt on tariffs as well. Particularly
it's mixing production and demand. Stay is good in contrast
with main freight. This is the freight we have logistics.
Something great business. But week today and the Shap price
fell there was definitely one of its US comparator companies

(01:19:17):
was a bit weak. Just highlighting this slow down and
the US economy as trade tariffs is started the hit,
so not surprising to see a bit of weakness there.
And then Delegates, the producer of some of the New
Zealand's the Servinyon Blanc, came out with a downgrade, just saying, hey,
look this, we're uncertain about four past growth given this
ten percent increase in tariffs. Good news there, of course,

(01:19:38):
a really good harvest, good quality, good volume. So plenty
of servin your bloc to go around.

Speaker 3 (01:19:42):
What's coming up this week that we should be watching
out for.

Speaker 21 (01:19:45):
Yeah, pretty busy week here. We've got the aims a
business confidence and Activity outlook here in New Zealand and
on Wednesday, and that's about all these green shoots that
we've been talking about continuing, are they growing? And NAUSI
On Wednesday, we've also got the inflation data and that
may support more cuts by the Reserve Bank of Australia
to their official rates. Busy week predominantly on Wednesday for

(01:20:05):
the US. The PCEE inflation, that's the one that the
US Central Bank mainly watches, the GDP growth. That's all
out on Wednesday, and then they've got their unemployment numbers
and their manufacturing forecast lead indicators coming out it's all
about what does that matter given the liberation data. Liberation
Day has come out subsequent to the data, so the

(01:20:27):
data maybe old, So it's going to be really hard
for central banks and invest is to read through that.
We've got a bunch of US companies reporting this week
as well. It's almost thirty percent of the US market
by market capitalization. The Chinese have got their purchasing Manager
and disease out on Wednesday. Is there a resign of recovery?
The Japanese have got a Bank of Japan rate decision

(01:20:49):
on Thursday. They have been increasing rates where they keep
increasing rates given what's happening in globally. And then finally,
there's just three elections going on the Canadian and Singapore
and on Saturday we've got the Australian federal election going on.
So there's a lot to think about.

Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
Yeah, totally, a lot of moving parts. Hey, Shane, thanks
very much. Shane Solely Harbor Act Management, six twenty four.
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Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
The Brethren Church alone receives fifty million in donations, so
they're fifteen million in tax alone. Sounds like charity's got
to Nicholas she's playing down the true value. Maybe maybe,
maybe maybe it got complicated when you thought you had
to do it to charities and then you have to
do it to the EE as well, because remember they
get a tax free status. Maybe it is just too complicated,
and in fact, I think the honest answer is that
it is too complicated. Listening, we need to talk about

(01:22:29):
baby formula and those rules. We're going to do it
in the next half hour. But did you know that
there is a thing called an oralalia. I'm one hundred
percent pronouncing this wrong, and arealia and auralia? Anyway, what
it is is that you have no inner voice. You
basically have a silent mind, which sounds like a superpower
because if you have a silent mind, you're one of

(01:22:50):
those people who can focus really well and block out
distractions and stuff. It's a recently new discovery. They've had
a world first conference exploring this in Auckland, just wrapped
up now. But anyway, if you're wondering do I have
this thing silent mind? Imagine a dog barking, Imagine a
fire engine, imagine your favorite song. If you could hear
those noises in your head, you don't have it. If

(01:23:11):
you can't hear them. You got it.

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Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
Yare not Elsa with it, Lec. I can't remember everything
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We said it.

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It's sold me at you were.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
With us out of the UK very shortly. They've managed
to save the old British steel business, so that seems
like it's some good news at least for them.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
Hither.

Speaker 3 (01:23:51):
I definitely don't have the silent mind thing because now
I can't get the song Alice who that is Alice
out of my mind? But now you can't either can
because I've put it in there. Actually I don't have
silent mind as well, because since I don't want to
keep going on about Toto. But since going to Toto,
I have got Pamela like they're hit number thirty, Like

(01:24:14):
that wouldn't have even been in the top one hundred,
It would have even been in the top five hundred,
do you know what I mean? That was just a song,
but it's stuck in my head as an ear womb
in my head. So I do not have silent mind either,
and there are times right now or I wish I did,
so I don't have to keep listening to that song
in my head anyway. It's to be fair, it's not
a bad song. They weren't that bad. They were just boring,
weren't they. If we thinking about this a lot, They

(01:24:36):
just a naveragena saqua. It was just almost too perfect.
They were like they were like just they just regurgitated pop,
didn't they. There was nothing special about them until Lated Africa,
which was their special song. Anyway, we'll stop talking about Toto.
That's enough. Twenty two away from seven now MB has
launched a review of airport regulation, just three weeks after
the Commerce Commission has given Auckland Airport the tick of
approval for its bag upgrade. Now the airport's association is

(01:24:58):
upset that the scrutiny is on airports yet again, and
not on air New Zealand and the chief executive is
Billy Moorehy, Billy, ay, it's very good to talk to you.
Why is he MB looking at airport regulation again?

Speaker 22 (01:25:11):
Look, we're not sure. We're pretty disillusioned about it. I
think it was as as short as eleven days since
the last review before we heard about this one. We
looked at this a couple of years ago. With the
Civil Aviation Act went through in twenty twenty three, we
had an effectiveness to review a few years before that.
It feels like rolling reviews where airports come out really well,

(01:25:36):
and yet we continue to see a blind spot when
it comes to the monopoly that most consumers are experiencing
in aviation, which is their New Zealand itself.

Speaker 3 (01:25:44):
Okay, and when I'm getting to the air New Zealand
thing with you in a tech because I am fascinated
by day as well. But is this looking at something
that is is this particular review looking at something that's
been looked at before or is it looking at something
completely new.

Speaker 22 (01:25:55):
It's a little bit unclear. It's a very loose review.
They're describing it as a chie on the system and
whether it's working the way it should. We think the
COMMUNCE Commissioner has already exhausted that through the last review
of Auckland Airport, which was probably the biggest test that
it's had with the significant infrastructure investment that they've had.
But they're looking at whether the system needs to be

(01:26:16):
more flexible. We'll obviously submitted to that, like we always do,
try to be constructive, but we are getting a little
bit disillusioned with the fact that it's airports again. It
seems like the safe place for the government rather than
really looking at the overall system and what's affecting a fas.

Speaker 3 (01:26:32):
Okay, now, what do you want them to look at?
This is the government. What do you want them to
look at? Rea in New Zealand.

Speaker 22 (01:26:37):
Look, we want to look at the domestic market. We
can see that there is a lot of strain on
the domestic market. It's in decline at this point. The
health of the market is really, really poor. We've lost
one point five million seats out of the system since
twenty nineteen. So in contrast with the rest of the world,
our system is not growing. Aviation is going gang busters

(01:27:00):
offshore and we're not seeing that same growth in New Zealand.
And part of that, a really significant part of that
is because we have one operator. Air New Zealand's great.
I work with them closely. They're excellent people, but they
are one business and they've had some really bad luck.
They also have eighty percent of their roots as monopoly

(01:27:20):
roots in the regions and listeners will experience that when
they're booking their flights every day. We need more competition
in that system. Ultimately, that's what it is. Look, we
can't force competition, but we have to deal with the
consumer outcomes. If competition isn't possible, and that's essentially what
Air New Zealand argues. They think that the population scale

(01:27:41):
is too low for more competition. If more competition isn't possible,
then regulation needs to follow. That's what we do with
most other virtual monopolies, like Transpower, like Chorus. That's what happens.
There's some kind of oversight the market power of those things. Yes,
so there has to be some kind of action regardless

(01:28:02):
of the decision you make about whether competition is possible
or not.

Speaker 3 (01:28:05):
Okay, hey, Billy, thanks for talking us. I really appreciate it.
Billy Moore, Chief Executive of the Airport's Association.

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
Heather duper cenh No.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
Have I given you the impression that I didn't like
Toto nohither they were a backing band. Give them a break, Heather,
Toto's Africa is a boring song? What did you expect?
Hold on No, No, No, No, I've become weirdly fascinated
by Toto. It's quite the opposite of what you think.
I'm just embarrassed that I am fascinated by a completely
daggy dad band. Anyway, park that because I've got a

(01:28:35):
Rolling Stone article that I'm going to read about them,
and they're fall from grace and then their resurrection tonight,
so we might come back here. The zombie Hour, which
is what this is, is being completely and utterly taken
over by Toto. So we're gonna have a little Toto
chat tomorrow because you're asking for it, aren't you, Simon.
It's not the first time you've text about Toto, is it. No,
it's not the first time we've had this conversation. Anyway, Listen,

(01:28:58):
I'm quite fascinated by this business with the infant formula stuff, right,
as you will know, because I've been harping on about
it for like what feels like a year now. There
is something weird going on here because there was a
big write up. This is, by the way, if you're
not sure of what I'm talking about. We share rules,
we share we have a shared food standard with Australia,
and they spent ten years or some poor not poor,

(01:29:21):
you know, some nerds in some somewhere who are breastfeeding
Nazis spent ten years rewriting the rules on infant formula
and finally we were all going to sign up to it,
and at that point we decided not to sign up
to it. Now I applauded that because I think that
people should have access to formula. It's good for babies
to have to have an alternative, and it's good for

(01:29:41):
mums so they don't go mad if the babies don't
get enough out of the boobs. Right, But there's something
weird going on here because the government didn't sign the
rules but now appears to have cold feet or something.
There's a couple of couple of articles have popped up
in the last while, and was one over the weekend
where the government seems to be sort of like we're
getting these roomors like oh, now we're going to sign
up to it, and if you ask the government they're like, no,
we're not. But the latest one is that apparently Andrew

(01:30:05):
Hogguard actually wanted to sign up to it but then
didn't sign up to it. And I'll read you a
po yeah, read this is by Tom Paula Strekker, who
knows his business around business. He wrote, reading various tea leaves,
I was convinced in the lead up to the cabinet
decision that Hoggard had decided to recommend the government did
in fact sign up to the standard. That's still my understanding. Now,
somebody like Tom doesn't write something like that unless he's

(01:30:27):
been briefed that that's what Andrew Hoggard was intending to do.
So what's going on here? Are we being softened up
for us actually signing up to this because I don't
want to sign up to this thing. This is dumb,
because then you're gonna have to have you're gonna be
able to have, you have to go by if you
have special infant formula that you need. If you charge,
you're gonna have to go to the pharmacy or some
weird thing like that, and everything has to be white

(01:30:48):
labeled and blah blah blah. Anyway, never mind that. Can
I just read you the last bit of Tom's peace.
It's hard to see much evidence of any scandal at
this point, just a group of people with different interests
and perspectives making their case and trying to ensure the
best outcome with regard to an awkward food product that

(01:31:11):
in a perfect world wouldn't need to exist. Now, Tom, Okay,
I don't know Tom, how you found breastfeeding. Oh that's right,
you didn't find breastfeeding because you don't have breasts. Tom,
So let me tell you something. There's a value judgment
that you just made them my little friend, where you've
called an awkward food product that wouldn't need to exist

(01:31:33):
in a perfect world. Well, in my perfect world. Actually,
if everything was perfect, I would still have formula. Thank you,
Tom for your value judgment about how you don't like formula.
Some mums want to go back to work and give
their baby formula. They don't want to breastfeed anymore, and
that is okay. Some moms go a bit mental. I

(01:31:55):
have a friend like that, the hormones drove her to
a crazy place, didn't want to breastfeed anymore and be
a psycho, And that also was okay, Tom. Some moms
just don't want to breastfeed because it hurts their boobs,
which you would know if you were a mum who breastfeed.
But you're not, so just going to leave that right there.

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Gavin Gray are UK correspondences with us Kevin Hallo. Hi, Gavin,
tell me how this happened? We have serving members of
Britain Special Forces with their identities online for years.

Speaker 8 (01:32:41):
How yes, good question. Well, it looks like a couple
of documents were posted online. They were meant to be
for the British Army, really for those who served in
the British Army, but they were inadvertently made public for
more than a decade. The documents were published online without
pass protection and they contained details names code names used

(01:33:04):
to refer to the Special Forces and their operations. Now
the paper doesn't explicitly reveal these which units these soldiers
belonged to, or explanations of the code names. But quite frankly, Heather,
if you go online, or you happen to know anyone
in the military circus, you could work out whether the
name soldiers were either serving in or affiliated with an

(01:33:27):
elite unit like the SAS or the SBS. Now, the
newspaper that revealed this for Sunday Times says that the
publications were updated only a few months ago, and that
suggests that some of the soldiers named may even have
been engaged in live operations at the time. Very very
embarrassing for forces that say that confidentiality in keeping the

(01:33:48):
names of those in the elite forces secret is imperative.

Speaker 3 (01:33:51):
Quite hey, now, how long can British Steel plant keep
going with the raw materials that have been secured.

Speaker 8 (01:33:57):
It looks like they've got several months ahead.

Speaker 10 (01:34:00):
Now.

Speaker 8 (01:34:00):
You'll remember we've been reporting over the last few weeks
that British Steel is the only place in the UK
where you can make virgin steel, in other words, steel
not from recycled steel or metal, but from the virgin elements,
as it were, the ores. And it had been bought
by a Chinese owner, Jingyi, and Jingy was then reported

(01:34:20):
to simply be running out of ingredients and refuse to
buy any more, that we're going to let it run
into the ground. British Steel is losing one point four
million OS million New Zealand dollars a day, and I
think Jin Y may quite simply have thought, well, we've
had enough. Anyway, The government's effectively nationalized it. But then
the battle was on to get these ingredients in place,

(01:34:41):
because once the blast furnaces go cold or are turned off,
they frankly may never be reheated and it takes a
lot of energy and time to get them back up
to speed. So the government we now know has received
fifty five thousand tons of blast first coke that has
arrived from Australia, sixty six thousand tons of iron ore pellets,

(01:35:02):
twenty seven thousand tons of iron ore fines due to
a reef arrived from Sweden next week. The government's saying
this is a breathe and a sigh of relief for
the two seven hundred employees. But the question is, Heather,
how long can you keep that loss making plant going
and make it well a reasonable request from British taxpayers.

Speaker 3 (01:35:20):
Yeah, well that is the difficult thing, isn't it. Agavin listen,
it's always good to talk to you. Thank you, will
talk to you in a couple of days. It's Kevin Gray,
our UK corresponding, by the way, just really quickly on
the Pope. I don't know if you realized this, but
I mean impressive, impressive man for his simplicity, a because
not only did he not get buried at the place
where all the popes get buried. He picked his own
favorite church, but simple wooden coffin. That wooden coffin has

(01:35:43):
been put into a small little nook that up to
now has been used to store the candle stickholders. Nine
away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:35:52):
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Speaker 2 (01:36:00):
That.

Speaker 3 (01:36:00):
Oh gosh, this is going back a bit, isn't it.
But I think this is point worth making. Heither, I'm
against the race based policies. Has been talking about it
in the show, but I'm involved with an organization who's
seen the acc data. Mari and PACIFICA workers have high
injury rates and costs, mostly because of the industries they
work in and are the majority of. So reducing a
SEC costs means the need to focus on how to
reduce specific groups injury rates and costs. It's risk based,

(01:36:22):
it's sensible. I've disagree with that. Okay, So basically it's
manufacturing sector as a whole, but specifically there are some
parts of the manufacturing sector where there is very high
injury rates for Mary and PACIFICA because they work in
these very dangerous parts of the manufacturing sector. But then
what that means is that everybody in those dangerous parts
of the manufacturing sector are at risk of injury. Whether
they're Asian or Indian, or Vietnamese or goodness, Chinese, I

(01:36:45):
don't know, whatever, party, heart, whatever, whatever, it doesn't matter
what they are, right, they work in the dangerous sector.
They are at risk. So instead of targeting Mary and
PACIFICA as a proportion of the greater manufacturing sector, why
don't you just go to those two, let's say, or
three very dangerous parts of the sector and just clean

(01:37:05):
them up, because then you will clean it up. Just
everybody is at risk, not you know what I mean, Like,
it's always there is always a need somewhere. You do
not need to target it on race. You just need
to find out what the problem is and fix it,
and you will fix the race problem anyway. Cool and listen.
I have not had an opportunity to tell the NFL story,
but this has just absolutely spun you.

Speaker 23 (01:37:26):
Well, tell the story, Okay. So I was not ready
to tell the NFL story. So I don't even have
the player's name in front of me. So this guy, yeah, yeah,
so he's he thinks he's really hot stuff, right. He
thinks he's absolutely going to be a top five pick
in the NFL. And to be fair to him, a
lot of the pundits.

Speaker 15 (01:37:41):
Do as well.

Speaker 3 (01:37:42):
And he's playing at college level, and he's.

Speaker 23 (01:37:43):
Playing at college level, and him and his dad, who
is a Dion sanders A so it's on sanders A Stone,
a former star. They're both being absolute divers. They're not
showing up to like practice trial events because they're so
convinced they're going to get through all. Apparently a bunch
of his meetings go badly. So anyway, he sets up
a custom room and is live streaming his watch party
for the draft for the NFL drave because he's gonna
get pick, because he's gonna get pay. He's gonna be

(01:38:04):
one of the first five players. Yes, right, anyway, he
isn't packed in the first five. As a matter of fact,
for the whole first day of the draft, he has
not pecked. Day two, comes through rounds two and three
of the draft.

Speaker 15 (01:38:13):
He is not pecked.

Speaker 23 (01:38:14):
Round four of the draft. On today three, he has
not packed. Round five of the draft. He has finally
picked it. I think one hundred and thirtieth or so picked. Yeah,
so the probably the biggest and most public serving of
humble Pie ever he was. Yeah, and there was also
another thing where an another coach's son gave him a
prank call. At one point managed to get Ahold of
his secret phone number and called him live on stream
to pretend he takes.

Speaker 3 (01:38:35):
The call from is it like this somebody? He thinks
it's somebody at.

Speaker 23 (01:38:38):
The same Yeah, he thinks it's the gym of the
New Orleans Saints who are about to draft him in
front of the last week, all these cameras around him,
and then suddenly Nope, that's a prank call as well.
So yeah, very very bad weekend. Except he is now
playing for the Cleveland Brown so he is going to
live his dream. So I guess he won in the end.

Speaker 3 (01:38:52):
Yeah, but he first had to have that humble Pie
force down his throat.

Speaker 23 (01:38:55):
He probably if he had a quiet mind, he doesn't
have one after this as being of this is what
I've had stuck in my head all weekend hither because
Liam Dan told us about I don't know whether it
did it I want to air or not.

Speaker 3 (01:39:04):
Okay, this is the toto remix.

Speaker 23 (01:39:06):
Yeah, Roger Sanchez another chants, which samples the Toto song
I Won't Hold You Back because he found it digging
in a Creative records. He found it on their nineteen
eighty two album.

Speaker 3 (01:39:16):
And he even knew that.

Speaker 23 (01:39:17):
Yeah, And so Liam Dan emailed me and email me
the video and it's a really good music video. And
now I know, I don't ever quite mind because it's
just been bouncing off the inside of my head all
weekend and now it's going to be bouncing off the
interviewers as well.

Speaker 3 (01:39:26):
It's just wonderful because we've managed to get another piece
of Toto content on air. That see you Tomorrow news
from HPPE.

Speaker 1 (01:39:51):
For more from Hither Duplessy Alan Drive, listen live to
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