Full Show Podcast: 28 July 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Digging through the spin spins to find the real story.
Oring It's Heather Dupercy on drive with One New Zealand
let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Good afternoon. Welcome to the show. Coming up today, AID
is finally getting into gaza again. We're going to chat
to doctors without borders about that life expectancy bad news.
Life expectancy for people who sleep too much is actually
worse than for those who don't sleep enough. We'll have
a chat to sleep expert to figure that one out.
And Nikola Willis is with us as per usual on
a Monday after six.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
Heather Duperic out right, Well, the news of.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
The day politically is that surcharges are gone. The government's
just banned them. You know what I'm talking about here, right.
They are the little extra amount that you get pinged
when you turn up at the dairy and you use
your credit card or you use your payWave. Gone from
May next year. And the big cell behind this basically
is that it's to help you with the cost of
living crisis. Now, I hate to do this because I

(00:59):
know you're thinking, yeah, and I'm totally going to rain
on that parade for you. Don't get excited. This is
going to fix nothing. You are still going to end
up paying that cost somehow, probably just through the cost
of the bottle of milk that you're buying. It'll be
in there now, or your haircut or your sushi or
whatever it is. It's going to be built into the
price because the business still has the cost. Nothing is

(01:19):
changing there. They've still got to pay that merchant fee. Now,
a merchant fee is a very complicated set of charges
which the business gets lumped with, and most businesses actually
have bloody no idea what makes up that merchant fee.
There's a fee from the credit card companies, there's a
feed fee for moving money from the banks, there's the
f post providers. The whole thing gets lumped into the
merchant fee. That has not gone away. What's only gone

(01:41):
away is the business's ability to be able to recover
the cost of some of that through the surcharge. And
by the way, the cost of that thing is actually
quite big. I mean, I've read about one business, just
one shop, that pays about fourteen thousand dollars in a
year just for that, just for the merchant fee, just
to be able to do business. Electronically. Now that what's

(02:02):
going to happen if you go to that shop is
because that guy can't now pass it on to you
with a two percent, zero point seven percent one percent
surcharge or whatever. He's simply going to add it to
the cost of his product, so that across the year
he makes that fourteen thousand dollars back. Also why you
shouldn't get excited about it is that this ban does
not include anything that you buy online. You're buying your
air New Zealand tickets, Yep, you're still going to be

(02:23):
paying that little six dollar handling fee. You're buying some
tickets for a concert from ticket Master. Maybe you want
to head along to banksy go check that out. Yep,
you're still going to be paying yourself a little a nice,
little eight dollar handling fee. And the problem with that
is that these are some of the most egregious examples
I would have thought of surcharges just bearing no resemblance
to reality. But they still slip through this. So instead
of actually sorting out the back room problems and the

(02:45):
real NARI issues and what has been charged by the
banks and the FPOs companies and the credit card companies,
and really excessive surcharges. The government's just taken the easy
option and brought in a ban on the little stuff
you buy from the dairy good headline. Unfortunately though just
a charade.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
Heather do for ce Ellen when signs then.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
This is the angels. I'm going to come back to
this and except we've just got to deal with some
serious news. By the way, nine two ninety two is
the text number good news if you hate scaffolding. Health
and Safety Minister Brook van Velden has announced that not
all maintenance at height will be required to use scaffolding
in their work. Minister is going to be consulting with
the industry to figure out exactly how to do this.
Julian Lais is the chief executive at the Building Industry Federation.

Speaker 5 (03:29):
Hey Julian, Hey, heathern how are you well?

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Thank you mate. So if Brook comes to you and says, right,
how do we change it? What do we do? What
are you going to say to her?

Speaker 6 (03:36):
Oh, look, I'd say Brooke, it's all about the detail.
And so what we want to do is ensure of
course health and safety, but also reduce some of the costs.
And every everyone hates scaffolding as much as they hate
road cones. But we shouldn't forget that. You know that
scaffolding there is there for a reason, and you know
any height can be dangerous social.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
No, Julian, you're not that guy. Ask you?

Speaker 7 (04:00):
Are you?

Speaker 8 (04:00):
Like?

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Oh you're standing? Oh look that you're half a meter
off the ground. We need some scaffolding for you. Are
you that guy?

Speaker 6 (04:06):
I'm saying we need to be mindful that we don't
put pace before prudence and make these reforms. I think
there's are balance and so I think we should say.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
I agree with you, we've gone way too far in
the other direction, wouldn't you agree?

Speaker 6 (04:18):
I think we have to some extent. I think so
this is about sort of bringing back a middle ground
where we don't do away with those things that were
put in there in place for a reason, and we
shouldn't forget hither that most people then end up in
eds are blokes that are falling off ladders, right, so.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
Are they starting? I don't want to protect stone people
like this is the thing?

Speaker 7 (04:38):
Right?

Speaker 3 (04:38):
I think so one day that this is the worst
example for me. You have been to Wellington, you right,
you drive along Evans Bay Parade, you got those little
little boat houses there I was driving bass wood like
when the boathouses, when the little I don't know my
building terms, you know, you're the apex of the roof,
and then it goes down to the bottom like sort
of the easy bit, and that two of them joined,
and there was the triangle at the bottom, you know,

(04:59):
like the gully of the roof if you want to
call it. That that thing wouldn't be far off my shoulder, right,
and they had scaffolding to work on that. That's silly,
isn't it.

Speaker 6 (05:09):
Well indeed, so look, the Minister will be consulting with
the industry and there will be you know, hopefully standards
and a guidance that says for certain low risk activity.
Then as long as you've got these other things in place,
which might be ladders with braces or you know, a harness,
that that's a good compromise. So I think let's wait

(05:30):
and see what But I think we will see you
be sharing, along with Chas and the other Health and
Safety body, some clear practical guides that hopefully achieve a
middle grade Gillian.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
Don't you think that for the most part we could
get around the safety issue with a harness and not
require massive amounts of scaffolding.

Speaker 6 (05:51):
Well, it all depends on the nature of the project,
how big it is, how high it is. So in
some cases it might be you know, if it's a know,
being done on an existing residential house, possibly yes, like
like your example in Evans Bay, if you're working at
four or five stories, probably not okay.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
So I think I think most of it well, I
think we probably would agree with each other. But but
I'm not I'm not loving the fact that you came
in kind of with a negative attitude. So are you
going to be like, are you going to be the
breaks on brooks Idea?

Speaker 6 (06:20):
Are you not the breaks? Just just the voice of
sanity Heather.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
No, this is the wrong thing to say, now, really
you are going to be the breaks.

Speaker 9 (06:28):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
By the way, I love what's going on with the
jib board and all these alternative products you know, from
from from from other parts of the world where you
know we have we have similar thinking probably would be
how much confidence do we have that the likes of
Bunnings and Mighty ten are actually going to stock them?

Speaker 6 (06:46):
Oh? Look, I think you know they will stock what
what what the merchants want? Sorry, what the trade's want?
And what the specifies the architects and others want known.
That's know, if it's available in the market, they will
bring it in, and they will bring it in if
it's good quality, and if it's at a certain price,
it'll come in.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
Do you think that this is good? Because if I
was a builder, I just, you know, to be honest,
I'd probably I'd have enough things going on in my
life not to have to worry about whether I'm going
to get alternative jib, so I'll just stick with what
I know. So if everybody just sticks with what they know,
nothing changes. So is this going to rely on the
customer to actually start agitating.

Speaker 6 (07:23):
Yes, I think it'll rely on It will rely on
the homeowners and customers, but it'll flow through the entire
supply chain. So it's going to be you know, as
I say, the the architects as well, including the builders,
because there'll be a bit of awareness on their part.
They'll they'll want to try alternative products if they are cheaper,
but if they still meet code. So it's not going

(07:43):
to happen overnight. But I think it just means that
people will have greater choice as long as you know,
the system allows us to judge those criteria accordingly and
we don't get you know, dodgy product coming into the market.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
Julian, thanks very much, appreciate your time. That's Julian as
chief executive of the Building Industry Federation. Hither you are
an economic retard. Thank you. I think that's got to
do with surcharges. Hither, I don't even have a choice
now not to pay the charges by not using the payWave.
I'm not happy this is this is part of the problem.
We'll come back to that. Well, that's part of the
problem anyway. By the way, did you realize if you're

(08:20):
into the MUCHA craze, did you realize that MUCHA is
like this is next level? How nuts MUCHA is. At
the moment in the US, the retailers are running out
of a month's supply worth of MUCHA in days. In Japan,
retailers have set limits on how much customers can buy,
mainly tourists turning up there. Apparently what's happened is because

(08:41):
we've all been traveling to Japan because Japan is super
cool at the moment. Everybody's been going there and going, oh,
look at this spicy green drink. That's just so colorful
and exciting, and then they come back they stick it
on their socials. The socials has gone nuts and everybody's
into the mutsha, which is fantastic because it's very healthy
for you, but it is it's a bit crazy. At
the minute sixteen past four.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
It's the Heather Topsy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on
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Speaker 3 (09:10):
Hither our tutor twisted off the bottom step of a
ladder and broke his back. Accidents happened to change his life,
and your scoffing at safety, yes, well, please note though
that your tutor hurt himself on a ladder, not scaffolding
or not without I mean, maybe, what is the solution
to this problem that you have presented to us? Should
we take ladders away from everybody to be uber safe?

Speaker 10 (09:30):
Now?

Speaker 3 (09:30):
Nineteen past four.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
Sport with tab bed live within play.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Be responsibly Jason Pine's sports talk host Halo Piney, Hello, Heather.
Are the Warriors a top four side.

Speaker 11 (09:47):
At the moment?

Speaker 12 (09:47):
They are?

Speaker 11 (09:48):
I'm looking at the table and there they are tucked
into fourth spot. But but and this is the big butt.
The lost of the Titans the other day was not
particularly helpful, and the Pack are closing in And when
I say that, it's the Panthers who are closing and
they've won seven in a row. Now, the Panthers, they
are only three points behind the Warriors with six games

(10:08):
to go, And it just feels to me as though
there are some stumbles going on here in Warriors Land
as we as we head towards the end of the season.
They were so good earlier on in the season and
we all said, yep, this is a top four side,
This is a team that can actually go all the
way potentially. Now they are really fighting for their spot
in that top four. I think the Panthers will make it.
The Warriors have to beat the Dolphins at home on

(10:30):
Friday night and then massive game against the Bulldogs away
in a couple of weeks. I think if they can
win those two then we can start talking about them
in top four terms again. But it is less certain
than it was a week while ago.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
So what do you I mean? Did I or did
I not predict this for you? That they would play
well and then at the back half of the season
they just like they always do. So this is all
in their head, isn't it. This is completely in their head.

Speaker 11 (10:54):
Part of it is I think there's also the injuries concerns.
But having said that, every team faces injuries and there
are fact of life in a physical sport like rugby league.
They are missing some key players Luke Metcalf gone. That
is very unhelpful, Mitch Barnett as well. Kurt Capele's got
to play in the centers at the moment, which isn't
his position. So yeah, there are extenuating circumstances. But what

(11:15):
your hope, Heather, is that it's not on their heads
that they can say, you know what, we can and
will play better for these last six games. Because if
they're outside the top four, it's very hard to go
deep into the playoffs. It really is difficult. So they've
got to find a way to get there.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
Hey, by the way, listen, I could keep talking about
the worries, but I need to talk about what happened
to the Wallabies. Were the Wallabies hard done by or
actually could that player that player could not have got
any lower? Could they?

Speaker 13 (11:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (11:41):
Jack Morgan coming in will. Opinion is absolutely divided on this.
CEO of Australian Rugby, Phil war former player himself, has
demanded a please explain. I'm not sure why people do
this because it's not going to change things. It's not
going to change the result. Jack Morgan was very low
the British and Irish lines player coming in. But the
fact remains he didn't wrap both of his arms and

(12:04):
he hit Tazarno on the neck, which you're not allowed
to do.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
So how much of his arms did he wrap? He rapped?

Speaker 11 (12:11):
From what his left arms on the ground. Either, he
hasn't wrapped his left arm at all. His right arm
is probably wrapped. It's a bit obscured by the camera,
but he hasn't wrapped his left arm.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
Okay, is that because I can't remember that? But is
that because he's deliberately fowling or is it simply when
he's down there, suddenly he's off balance and he's having
to put it on the ground.

Speaker 11 (12:30):
Well, that's his responsibility. If he doesn't think he can
retain balance, he shouldn't be going in.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
There is a thought also he hit hit the other
bloke on the neck. What is that not one of
those ones where you go look, there will be collisions accidentally.
It's not deliberate, but it happens.

Speaker 11 (12:45):
You can say that, but will Rugby have been adamant
that regardless of whether it's intentional or accidental, any contact
above the shoulders is punishable by a penalty and a
yellow cars.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
That brought a frustration with Rugby and for once actually
that had some common sense and said, this guy couldn't
have done apart from wrapping the arms a bit more,
couldn't have done anything else.

Speaker 11 (13:03):
I think the frustration is that we're still now arguing
gray area or around the law. You know, they've tried
to make it safer and we still don't know what
the law is. We don't know why. You know, a
similar situation led to a red card to broder Retelic
a couple of years ago, and this one isn't even
a penalty. So it's the gray area that is the
confusing bit.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
Piney, good to talk to you. You're going to have
an absolute stonker of a show at seven o'clock. I
can't wait for Hererett Jason Pine sports Stalk Coast back
at seven hither. The worst fall I've had was on
a bucket to reach something. You've got to take those
buckets away from people. Ah, take the brook take the
buckets away while you're with the scaffolding. Hey, we've got
to talk about the booing, hanging a tick for twenty.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Three getting the facts, discarding the fluff. It's Heather duplicy
Ellen drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected news
talks that'd be.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
Coming up twenty six past four years. So on the booing.
It turns out that the Prime Minister was booted the
netball last night, which then caused the MC or whoever,
while standing there with the microphone, to have to gently
remind people that this was in fact a happy event.
See if you can hear it in the background.

Speaker 14 (14:05):
We are honored to be joined on court by Prime
Minister Christopher Luxen, Astrod Burgess Ams and Chief Marketing Officer
and Jenny Wiley netb On New Zealand Chief executives. Focus
on how incredible that game.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Was, shall we?

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Oh, oh, he's just been Actually this is just landed
in my my little folder. He's just been at the
post cabinet press conference. Asked about it.

Speaker 15 (14:28):
Oh, look, it's not uncommon for politicians to be booed
at some events, but I just say I was treated
really well.

Speaker 16 (14:35):
People were very.

Speaker 15 (14:36):
Very nice to me at that event, and they often
are across the whole of the country.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
Oh, very nice to you. Anyway, So we were discussing.
So we're going to have to take this up with
Barry because we're discussing this in the office because it's
a weird place to boost someone at the netball. I mean,
it's not like they're not a federal crowd at the netball.
Barry said to us, he goes off, netball is always
it's always been a bit left at the netball crowd.
You know that it's a bit working class. We're all like,

(15:01):
what are you talking about? And then he was like, yeah,
I took my girls to netball, and we all said, yeah,
girls who grew up in Calbourn, well Wellington, like not
working class at all. Anyway, someone needs to come to
the defense of netble because I don't think it's working
class anyway. Listen to this. Listen to we'll talk very
about that later. This is the test, Temper Trap, a
Sweet Disposition. All of these songs have featured in Ossie

(15:24):
Radio station Triple Jay's countdown of the top one hundred
Australian songs of all time. I'm into this. I will
explain to you why I.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Enjoy putting the challenging questions to the people at the
heart of the story. It's hither duplicy Ellen, drive with
one New Zealand let's get connected.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
News talks'd be.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
God, Yeah, got got yer, got yer bookcase. It'speed a while,
Isn't it acts as ages you?

Speaker 11 (16:03):
Isn't it?

Speaker 3 (16:03):
Got ya and Kimber somebody that got ya to mar
Potatoes Potatoes Okay, that produces loves to correct me on
this stuff. Go Tier and Kimber somebody that I used
to know.

Speaker 8 (16:16):
Good.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
It's a good playlist day anyway. Oh, he's gonna have
a thing about that. He's got a thing. He's always
got a thing, and he's got a thing about it today.
And then I'll talk to you about why I'm loving
this playlist as much as I am at the minute.
Also listen some fantastic news after our show, because because
you will know, we spend a bit of time on
Friday talking about Gaza, because this has become completely intolerable. Fortunately,

(16:37):
over the weekend it seems to have been a reasonable
amount of international pressure has finally forced Israel to stopp
being as cruel as it frankly has been. They will
now allow some air drops of food, and also they
will have ten hour windows where they pause the fighting
in order to allow the aid. And now look, it
is as you can imagine in war. It is incredibly complicated,

(16:59):
and there are reports comass is stealing food or whatever.
We're going to try to get to the bottom of
the Doctors without Borders they'll be with us after five o'clock.
But in the meantime at least some good and air
drops are incredibly dangerous. Anybody who's worked in AID will
tell you that because they can land on people, people
rush at them. There's no kind of there's just no

(17:21):
cohesion about how it happens. But at least food is
getting in, so there's some good news, and that Doctors
without Borders with us after five o'clock, twenty three away
from five.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
So, as I said, Israel's letting some aid into Gaza.
The UAE and Jordan have air drop supplies into the territory.
Supply trucks have been allowed through the Israel Palestine border.
A former US diplomat says the international community needs to
keep up the pressure on Israel.

Speaker 17 (17:45):
Possible recognition of a Palestinian state by others than France
is putting pressure on Israel and if that pressure maintains,
then we could count on this continuing.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
All of this is just so unnecessary, according to Betina,
who he says, eight never been a problem.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
The UN is making excuses and lies about the state
of Israels It says, we're not allowing humanitarians supplies to enter.

Speaker 4 (18:10):
They are allowed in. There are secured corridors, they have
always been there.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
US and the EU have agreed to a trade deal.
Trump met with the European Commissioned President Zula Vondeli and
shortly after playing a round of golf in Scotland.

Speaker 4 (18:22):
That's a huge deal.

Speaker 16 (18:24):
It will bring stability, it will bring predictability.

Speaker 15 (18:28):
That's very important for our businesses on both sides of
the Atlantic.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
And finally, a church concert in London has been shut
down by a bishop and a barthrobe. The City Academy
Voices Choir was performing at Saint Andrew's in Halburn, but
when they went past there a lot of ten pm
finished time, the local bishops switched the likes off, went
on stage in his robe and told everyone to get
out so that he could get to sleep. The choir
responded by performing one last a cappella in a sign

(19:05):
that we're all human. The bishop was just having a
bad day, and he's since reached out to the concert
organizers to.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Apologize international correspondence with ends and eye Insurance, Peace of
mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Banger My House, Electric Blue, Ollie, how good it was?

Speaker 18 (19:28):
So good?

Speaker 19 (19:28):
Rob Though finished ninety two in the Hottest one hundred,
I would have had that number one. Oh yeah, this
is like me growing up, putting the windows down in
the car, you know, even even as I'm a little fella,
and that mum's got the sun roof, you know, open
that and you just start dreaming about sort of good

(19:49):
times and you know some of the girls in high school.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
I feel like you've got a case here that that
should have been higher. I mean, don't dream it's over
as at number five, and that song I don't want
to be unkind to, you know, to my fellow Kiwis.
But Electric Blue was a thousand times better than Don't
Treat So.

Speaker 19 (20:09):
Yeah, And like you said, don' dreamonsover's not even Australian.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
No, it's not even Australia. Also, it just so miserable,
isn't it.

Speaker 19 (20:15):
But we claim everything that's successful, that's yours becomes ours.
So effectively, if you you know, if you win the
World Cup, we win the World Cup. That's how it works.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
Also, the Veronica's untouched at number three, that's a crime. Yeah,
big time. I want you just go on, yeah, hi, Now,
I actually have been quietly, very pleased at Albanese's stance
on Israel. What's the coalition's problem with it?

Speaker 19 (20:37):
Well, they're saying that albo has to be careful in
his assertion that Israel is breaching international law. And I
think the point you just made there about Albanize even
yesterday asking you to follow France and acknowledged Palestine, he
said not while Hamas is still at the heart of
the government in Palestine. And I think that's probably the
response which most people here would agree with.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
I think you can.

Speaker 19 (20:59):
I think you can critics both countries, both both states
or countries here in this circumstance. Head but Dantee and
he wants the Prime Minister to back up the claim
that Israel's breached international law by blocking aid into Gaza,
and he's pointing the finger at her musk for the
situation in Gaza, the terror group is weaponizing AID. I
think it's an interesting stance for Danteine to take in

(21:20):
the opposition benches. The Labor wants to recognize Palestine.

Speaker 8 (21:28):
It does.

Speaker 19 (21:28):
It took that to the last two elections, so it
is something which is obviously internally for the government as
well troubling because they need to do something about it,
or there's a lot of pressure for the Prime ministers.

Speaker 9 (21:36):
To do something.

Speaker 19 (21:37):
But as he said, yes, I'm not acknowledging it until
her mus is not there as the ruling majority in Palestine.
So this is again interesting stance that Danteene has taken.
I can understand that the coalition has very much been
backing Israel through the entire process and has always said
that they will.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
Stand shoulder to shoulder with Israel.

Speaker 19 (21:58):
But an interesting stance from Danteene.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
Yeah, very much.

Speaker 17 (22:00):
So.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
Now, who's the former TV host charged with touching the
sixteen year old boy.

Speaker 19 (22:05):
So this is Peter Everett, who was big on Australian
screens through the late nineties early two thousands. He was
on a show called Changing Rooms, which is like a
renovation show, and you know, we've seen plenty of versions
of those sorts of shows. He then went on a
hosted Ready Steady Cook, which was also a big daytime
show on the ten network. You know, you find a
few ingredients and all of a sudden you've created something.

(22:25):
But Peter Everett's has been charged by New South Wales
Police following extensive police inquiries on an alleged incident involving
a sixteen year old boy.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
He is yet to face.

Speaker 19 (22:41):
He very briefly appeared rather in Paramatta Local Court yesterday.
He was pleading not guilty to that charge, but he
won't be back in court until September three, so we
do not have any more of the facts in what
he's being alleged here. But Peter Everett was well known
on Australian screens through the late nighties early two thousands
and this is obviously a very serious allegation which will

(23:02):
be tested through the courts.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
Okay, Ollie, thanks for talking us through it. Oli Peterson
six PR Perth Live presenter Heather Electric Blue is horrid whatever,
This is what I love about this. Okay. So the
triple if you didn't oh gosh, where to even start? Okay,
So the baby's got her first book given to her
like first Kiddies book, and it's one of those ones
you know that the big the little people, big stories

(23:24):
or whatever it is. I don't know, and it's like
stars and stuff. So she's got she got the Kylie
Minogue book to be reading about Kylie Minogue every night. Anyway,
I was thinking about it and I thought she's Actually
the Australians have really got a lot of bangers, like
that is a country that's produced a huge number of
absolute banging tunes. Have you got anything for us ants

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that didn't make like the top whatever you've got here?

Speaker 7 (23:49):
Twelve?

Speaker 3 (23:49):
No, I'm getting he's not. He says he can find something.
I haven't even given him a chance. If Electric Blue
is coming in at one hundred, like if that banger
of a tune is at one hundred, what does that
tell you about the caliber of the music that they've produced.
Black Betty is at number ninety. Empire of a Sun
Walking on a Dream?

Speaker 10 (24:08):
What have you got?

Speaker 3 (24:08):
What'sat is that Black Betty?

Speaker 20 (24:10):
I heard it.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
Empire of the Sun Walking on a Dream is twenty four,
Peaking Duck High is eighty two, Thunderstruck by Akadaka is thirteen.
That is how good, like they don't even make the
top ten. That's how good these tunes are.

Speaker 4 (24:24):
What have you got?

Speaker 3 (24:24):
And oh look at that, it's not even in the
top twenty three. Wait for it. Wait it's coming on.
Let's wait just wait.

Speaker 8 (24:37):
Fuck, there you go.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
How good is that?

Speaker 3 (24:40):
Australia you caught thing with your music?

Speaker 6 (24:43):
Thank you?

Speaker 17 (24:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Anyway, so we've got heaps of that coming at you.
I'm not gonna tell you what number one is. You're
gonna have to listen all the way through to the
end of the show to find out. Very sos next
sixteen to five is running.

Speaker 16 (24:56):
Oh, we're pushing up the heel, searching fog.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
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Speaker 12 (25:05):
And with us.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
Right now we have Barry Sober, senior political correspondent, Barry.

Speaker 12 (25:08):
Good afternoon, head on.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Do you think of the booing at the netball?

Speaker 12 (25:11):
Well, I've got to say I listened, tried to listen
to it several times and I couldn't really hear it.
And it's not because I'm hard of hearing.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
It's just, of course, is because you're heart here.

Speaker 7 (25:23):
No, it's not.

Speaker 12 (25:24):
I wound it right up. I really the level of
booing was very low compared to what I've seen of
prime ministers in the past. But would you expect it
at a netball final.

Speaker 6 (25:36):
I don't know.

Speaker 12 (25:36):
I think it was pretty good of the Prime Minister
to turn up. I don't think there would be many
prime ministers that would turn up and sit through the match.
I mean, it's a great match obviously, but look, he
wasn't too concerned about being booed. Chris likes and says
didn't surprise him greatly.

Speaker 15 (25:51):
Oh look, it's not uncommon for politicians to be booed
at some events.

Speaker 16 (25:55):
But I just say I was treated really well.

Speaker 15 (25:58):
People were very very nice to me event, and they
often are across the whole of the country. I don't
want that to take away from what was an absolutely
fantastic game between the mystics and the tactics, and for
the tactics to come through and when they hadn't done
for a long time was pretty special. You know, there's
always elements that will be frustrated with government. I get
that that goes with being a politician.

Speaker 6 (26:16):
Yep.

Speaker 19 (26:16):
So there you go.

Speaker 12 (26:17):
He's taking it in astride, which.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
Come on, Berry stopping like this. You know that if
you get if you if you go to you said,
why don't you repeat to us what you said about
netball crowds earlier?

Speaker 17 (26:27):
No, I won't.

Speaker 12 (26:29):
My three daughters they went through netball and I was
on the side of the court every Saturday watching netball,
so I know the game pretty well.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Yeah, and what you said is not surprising. Prouple of
lefties and it's very working for class.

Speaker 12 (26:43):
We've all left leading, I said, the the people that
turn up to watch.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
When we called Jenny Woods to confirm whether you are correct,
what is should she and all of those she's like
the voice of netball because it's just as you heard
last night. But listen, Barry, in all seriousness, regardless of
you know anyway, regardless, the thing is, if a prime

(27:10):
minister is turning up eighteen months into his prime ministership
to a crowd full of mums who listened to Coats
right and getting booed, that's not that's not a good
looking Well.

Speaker 7 (27:19):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 12 (27:20):
The first quarter of an hour of today's press conference
and I thought, really, you know, you shouldn't do this
as a press conference because you meant to be there
answering questions. First fifteen minutes were spent on what they've
done over the past year for the economy too long. Yeah,
they've got to have some advice that it's a press conference,
it's not a speech.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
Do you not think though, if you're going and I
think where this Netwell game was being held is really important,
right it's in west Auckland. West Auckland is the place
you have to win if you want to win an election.
But also a bunch of tradees they think like normal people.
So the fact that he's been done to that extent
I think is reasonably sir.

Speaker 12 (27:54):
Okay, drive home the point here, but you're not making
it to me.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
But that's fine anyway, whatever. Okay, talk to me then
about what's going on with the merchants. But the merchant
fee that's been and the searcharges, I'm not convinced by
Big Well.

Speaker 12 (28:04):
The big problem is something that's always been one of
my bug bears, as you well know. When you go
to pay a restaurant bill and you see six bucks
or whatever added on to the end of the bill
because you've got to pay for your credit card use. Yeah,
I think that's outrageous. And I've said so on this
program before. So they're doing away with those. But then
who picks up the cost? Well, the obviously the retailer

(28:27):
picks up the cost, and you'll see it probably an
increased food bill charges and restaurants. You'll see it probably
in prices and retail stores. But I'll tell you what
the Minister of Finance, and you've got to remember if
you look at banks, because there's a feeling that banks
should be picking up this, but the four big banks

(28:47):
now account for nearly a quarter, or nearly one in
six dollars of corporate tax collected in this country. So
they are the best government customers in this country. They
contribute two point five billion dollars in tax.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
Is that why Scott Simpson's giving them such an easy run?

Speaker 12 (29:05):
Yeah, exactly. But if you listen to the Finance Minister,
if you're sitting her chair, you can understand her steering
clear of the banks, the retailers having to absorb the cost. Well,
Nichola Willis doesn't leave, they'll pass it on to the consumer.

Speaker 8 (29:21):
Well, look, I would certainly encourage them not to do that,
and I think you'd find that small businesses. No, it's
a pretty competitive world out there, and if they do that,
they might lose some shoppers. The evidence from the EU
and the UK is that there's no broad evidence that
that occurred.

Speaker 12 (29:36):
Yeah, well you know, don't don't count on that happening
in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
I would say, no, Verry, thanks very much, appreciate it.
That's very so for senior political correspondence. Scott Simpson's with
us after five eight away from five.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 18 (29:53):
The CLI Minister christ of Elections, Well, this give me
some good news on this foreigners buying houses?

Speaker 16 (29:57):
Yeah, so, I mean he saw Winston last week where
making progress. I know it's not the answer you want.
You want me to tell you what the answer is
right now, right today?

Speaker 6 (30:04):
Correct?

Speaker 7 (30:04):
I get it. Chris is being made.

Speaker 16 (30:07):
What's the holder?

Speaker 7 (30:08):
He seems to understand it needs to be rective.

Speaker 16 (30:10):
No, he does, he does, and the conversations are good
and positive. What we're discussing as a mechanism by help.
So what are you stuck on numbers for a house?
How high the value of the houses? That's one of
the conversations here, But there'll be other, you know, which
want to make sure you mean they'll be there.

Speaker 8 (30:23):
What are they?

Speaker 16 (30:24):
And I want to make sure we get the mechanisms.

Speaker 18 (30:25):
Right back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast
with the land Driver Discovery News Talk said Behither.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
The netball final was in the west Auckland Paula Bennett
territory West. He say what they think, and I love
that about us. It's a barometer of the nation joke.
I agree with you. I think where it is is
very important here. The shame on the netball and their
woke crowd Hither on the whole netble is working class
hockey is not, says a hockey Mumhither barries right about
the netball crowds. They're always more left leaning. Hither they
are feral. Where do you live under a rock? Okay,

(30:56):
thank you. I know it's harsh, some harsh truths here
on this show. Hey, apparently if you I mean, look,
if you sleep too much at night, if you're one
of those people who needs to get you know, copious
amounts of sleep and whatnot, there is some concern about
you because it means that you may actually die earlier
than people who just get normal amounts of sleep or
people who don't need that much sleep. So we're going

(31:19):
to talk to a sleep expert about that, because I
don't know about you. I reckon I like a good
eight and a half hours at a minimum, and now
I'm worried that it's going to kill me.

Speaker 10 (31:28):
Go through life.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
Everyone, do you know what you need to do? You
need to drink some MUCHA If you drink so much,
you can sleep as long as you like, because it's
going to undo all of the negative health stuff. So
don't worry about that. Listen. This text I think sums
up my problem with the payWave decision today. Hither the
government decision to abolish the surcharges is interesting. However, whenever
we pay, we have the choice using payWave or the

(31:49):
option of a swipe a swipe on your debit card
to not incur a charge. You are right to now
assume that the retailer is just going to pass on
the cost to everyone. That's the problem, isn't it. At
least at the moment, there is transparence where if you
go up to pay for you, I don't know, you're sushi,
and they say to you or something more significant, and
they say to you, you're going to use your credit card.
It's going to cost you two point two percent or whatever.

(32:09):
You can make the decision, which I do every single time.
Put it away, whip out the f postcard, use that instead. Right,
I've got the option you can use your credit card
if you want to. I don't want to. The problem
we've got now is that that that band is there's
a ban in place on that. It gets built into
the cost. Now I'm paying for you to use your
credit card. That really wants mout. I don't like it anyway.
Scott Simpson's going to be with us next. Just give

(32:32):
you some quick numbers. Do I want to? No, it's
just Cinda. No trigger warning, trigger warning. We're going to
deal with some numbers about just Cinda in this show.
So just prepare yourself mentally because I know it can
be a little bit triggering for people. Qu San Cold
Chisel Number eight News Talks, the.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
B Questions, Answers, Thanks Analysis, the Drive show you trust

(33:33):
for the full picture. Heather Dupussy on Drive with One
New Zealand Let's get connected News Talks.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
That'd be afternoon. You can wave goodbye to the payWave
surcharge and basically every other surcharge as well. They've just
been banned effected from March retailers or May next year.
Other retailers will no longer be able to pass on
the huge merchant fees that banks, credit card companies and
f poss providers charge them. Scott Simpson is the Consumer
Affairs Minister. Afternoon, Scott, Scott, why are you banning the

(34:01):
retailers from being able to pass on this cost but
not dealing with the actual cost itself.

Speaker 5 (34:07):
Well, we are dealing with the actual cost itself. The
Commerce Commission made a decision a week or so ago
to significantly lower what's referred to as the interchange fees.
These are the fees that the credit card companies are
permitted to charge. It's a regulated fee. They're dropping that
fee very significantly from December this year. What we're planning
to do is make.

Speaker 4 (34:28):
Sure before you move on.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
Okay, let's just deal with that. How much is the
Commerce Commission taking out of that fee that retailers pay.

Speaker 5 (34:35):
About ninety million dollars a year's out of one hundred
and fifty out of one hundred.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
And fifty, it's the total cost is about a billion
dollars a year and they're taking ninety out.

Speaker 5 (34:45):
Well, the surcharge. The Commerce Commission estimates that New Zealanders
pay around one hundred and fifty annually in surcharges, so
about one hundred and fifty million. So are they're going
to drop out ninety million of that?

Speaker 3 (34:58):
That's not a fair equ what the retailers are paying
in merch just an interchange fees, right, which is only
a portion of the merchant fees, just an interchange fees
is one billion dollars a year and they're taking ninety
million dollars out. How on earth a retailer supposed to
cope with it when they now cannot afford to it,
they can't even afford to recoup it through a surcharge.

Speaker 5 (35:20):
Well, what we want is to have transparency of pricing,
and I don't think it's consumers.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
You're going to get the opposite, because when you've got
a billion dollars almost in costs you can now not
recoup through a searcharge, You're just going to build it
into your prices, aren't you if you're a smart retailer.

Speaker 5 (35:38):
Well, that hasn't been the experience in the UK or
the EU, where surcharges have been banned for some time.
In a competitive world, businesses understand the price competitive nature
of the businesses that they operate and the goods and
services they provide. So surchargers are annoying their pesky and
most of the customers don't actually know whether they're paying

(36:00):
the full price or not. When you charge to sewer
charge it says one and a half, two and a half,
three percent or sometimes more. You don't know whether that
is actually a fear recouping of the seer charge or
whether it's actually retailer taking an extra margint thing.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
You can choose not to pay it, so you can say, no,
I'm going to put my credit card away, I'm not
going to pay it now. What you're doing to us
is we're all going to pay it because it's going
to be built into the cost. So I can't put
my credit card away now. Doesn't matter what I use,
I'm going to pay it.

Speaker 5 (36:29):
Well, if a retailer doesn't want to take a payWave,
they don't have to. There are other ways of paying
what I'm saying, merchant fees.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
It's not just the payWave though, Scott, and you know this.
Merchant fees themselves are extremely expensive. So what you're doing
is in order to pretend to help us with the
cost of living crisis, you're building more more into our
prices that we're paying. You're making it worse.

Speaker 5 (36:51):
No, I don't accept that for one minute. I think
that New Zealanders want to have transparency of the price
they see on the shelf being the same price they
pay at.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
The Why did you not deal with the likes of
a New Zealand and Ticketmaster and all those guys who
are actually charging us egregious amounts who still get to
be able to do it because they're not affected by
the ban.

Speaker 5 (37:10):
Well, the ban at the moment includes personal payments, so
point of sale payments. We wanted to leave some room
for the new fintech companies to find a space to
live and thrive. There's a whole range of new technology coming.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
Not to be pulling my leg, you wanted to leave
Ticketmaster to charge us eight dollars every single time so
somebody could set up a business.

Speaker 5 (37:32):
We are looking at that. The initial ban is for
in person payments, and what we will do is do
some create some legislation before May of next year and
keep those options open. So the initial ban is on
in person payments only, and we'll look to extend that
further beyond that as and when as necessary.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Scott, thank you. I appreciate your time. That Scottsson, the
Consumer Affairs Minister a letter go where they do.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
By Allen, Israel.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
Has a bound to international pressure and is allowing some
aid into the Gaza strip. Trump is blaming Hummas for
stealing aid from people. Claimeniera is an emergency coordinator at
Doctors Without Borders. High Claire Hi. There are the air
drops and the pauses to deliver aid enough.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
No, it is definitely not enough. This is a population
that has received no aid coming in safely for months
and months now, so whatever is coming in now is
vastly inadequate. We need a longer term solution.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
Ahamas stealing the aid, like the President claims, we.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Have absolutely no evidence of that. And while I was
there on the ground, all I could see was that
medical supplies we're going into the hospitals that we work in,
and we were trying to deliver aid to the population.
So all of these claims to me are completely baseless.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
There are photographs that have been taken, or at least
one photograph that I've seen, of young men on the
aid trucks with weapons. What's going on there?

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Well, I don't know where these weapons are coming from.
But while I was there, we did have some trucks
come in with medical supplies. And it's the Israeli authorities
who told us to use roads that are very unsafe,
and they made the trucks come in at night, and
then those trucks were attacked. So to me, it felt
like we were walking into a trap.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
And attacked my home.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Well, I don't know who it was, but we were
followed the whole way by an Israeli quad copter, which
is an unmanned drone device which can shoot in all
directions and it's one of the most alarming and scary
pieces of military weapons that they use.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
And when you say the trucks were attacked, what happened, Well,
the trucks.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Were moving along in a convoy and I had news
from my staff that were driving the trucks that they
were being attacked. The drivers fled from the trucks and unfortunately,
one of them has lost his eyesight because they were
shot at and the glass went direct into his eyes.
So after this, I said that we cannot keep receiving

(40:04):
trucks coming in this way. If the Israeli authorities insist
on it being so unsafe.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
And then what happened to the aid on the trucks.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
We eventually received medical supplies into our hospital, but it's
not enough.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
And since then I'm confused here, So let me just
clarify with you. Was it Humas who was attacking your
trucks or was it the Israelis?

Speaker 2 (40:30):
I have no idea who was attacking our trucks.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
Did anybody sees any of your aid?

Speaker 6 (40:36):
No?

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Our aid luckily was left alone because the advantage I
think is it's medical supplies and it's not food.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
Okay, if it were, because you see this, this, I mean,
the story that you're telling me right now at least
opens up the possibility that maybe Trump is right, that
that Humas is taking some aid.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
I have absolutely no evidence of that. And on the ground,
the coordination me and in our medical facilities went very well.
All the challenges that we had and that I had
were with the Israeli authorities.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
Okay, Claire, what's the solution here? Do I mean? Does this?
I mean I realized that even the ceasefire talks apparently
are hanging off this thing. Who needs to be in
charge of the aid to make sure everybody gets fit enough.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Well, the NGOs and the UNA able to deliver this
aid safely. We know what we're doing. We have trucks
at the border and we're ready to do so. Even
if there is a temporary ceasefire, it will make things worse.
So we need a permanent ceasefire and we need for
this to be happening.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
Now, Claire, thank you for your time. Clem and Era
Doctors without borders. Right, let's deal with the sleep next.
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Speaker 4 (42:25):
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Speaker 8 (42:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Look, I'm getting a lot of texts about the AID.
I think we can all agree. Having the un do
the AID in Gaza's probably a little problematic given that
last time they were doing it they were infiltrated by Hummas.
You'll just google UNRA and Hummas and you'll find that story.
Nineteen past five. Now, this is alarming. After being told
for how long that we need to get enough sleep,
it's emerged at getting too much sleep will actually kill

(42:49):
you early. Dr Alex Bartell is a sleep expert from
the Sleep Well Clinic and with us. Now, hey Alex, oh,
good evening. Do you believe this? Does this sound right
to here? That people who sleep more than nine hours
a night are four percent more likely to have shorter lives.

Speaker 21 (43:03):
Yes, and the reasons for that, and this is a
repeat of a study that's been done a number of
times now that too short sleep, well, we all know
about that that's been around for ages. But too long
sleep sounds a bit wrong, but nearly always we're sleeping
too much time more than nine or is certainly more
than ten hours because of some underlying condition. So in
itself sleep long long sleep isn't causing the illness. It's

(43:26):
often some illness is causing the long sleep, and it
may be that illness that's resulting in the higher death rate.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
Ah okay, so maybe that there's something already wrong requiring
more sleep. How do you then know, I mean, if
you are there people alex who simply need to sleep
eight and a half to nine hours a night.

Speaker 21 (43:44):
Oh, yes, genetically it can be possible. About two percent
of the population are really quite long sleep is sort
of more than nine hours. But you know, when you
get more than ten hours, there's something wrong, and so
usually the GP will have done something about that, like
tested for thyroid problems or diets. Depression will often cause
people to sleep longer, but of course sleep ap near

(44:05):
is the other one where people get very sleepy and
they need more sleep than usual, but often still feel
tired during the day.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
How do you know, I mean, if you feel like
you need eight and a half to nine and you
get it, and then you'll wake up and you're good
to go and you have a great day, and then
you do it again. Is that that's okay?

Speaker 19 (44:20):
Is it?

Speaker 16 (44:21):
That's brilliant?

Speaker 21 (44:22):
I mean, yeah, seven eight hours sleep and people function
really well on that generally. But if you're suddenly finding
you're needing much longer sleep, then you really need to
catch up with your GP and it goes through some testing.
And if that's not sufficient and you're particularly if you're
a snorer, for example, then you need to check for
sleep ap near good stuff.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
It's good to talk to you, Alex. Alex Bartel, sleep
expert from the Sleep Well Clinic. I cannot tell you,
by the way, how many techts I'm getting from small
business owners who are so annoyed at the surcharge thing.
Hither well done to national another attack on small business.
My merchant rates have ballooned up by an extra fifteen
thousand a year due to the payWave charges on top
of what we were paying before. Hither this paywaf thing

(45:03):
winds me up to sure big business can just push
about and add a percentage to every price. But I
run a small plant nursery and we're gonna have to
absorb it. Heather, thanks for taking this up, taking it
up on behalf of small business. I cannot believe their
New Zealand ticket master et cetera won't be included. Club
has text through a pharmacy's technic. Well, the pharmacy actually
says it's fine. They don't do it. Lots of people
very annoyed though, five to twenty one.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
Checking the point of the story, it's Heather duplicy Ellen
drive with one New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (45:31):
Let's get connected and use dogs. They'd be hither.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
It's funny the oldest woman in Japan, who was one
hundred and fourteen years old, sleeps for two days and
is a wake for one. I feel like she's got
an underlying problem. What do you think her underlying problem
is being one hundred and forty one? It's five twenty four. Hey, now,
I'm happy to say now we are getting somewhere with
road cones. Chris Bishop, in his capacity as the Minister
of Transport, has now threatened to cut off funding to

(45:56):
councils unless they start cutting the cones by using the
new rules. Now, how it works is that central government
does the big roads right, so NZTA does all the
big roads and then councils do the local roads. Now,
the government really recently changed the code of practice for
road cones and all of that stuff, right, like all
the stuff that you need when you're doing road maintenance.
They change the code of practice for it. NZTA started

(46:19):
using this new code of practice and therefore hopefully using
fewer cones. But not all councils did this. They didn't
adopt the new code of practice. I don't know why
they were using the old one. Don't know why. Is
it laziness, is it bloody mindedness, is it a love
of excessive health and safety? Whatever, they're still using the
old one. The old one, by the way, is so prescriptive.
It tells the roading guys how many reflective markers they

(46:42):
have to use in a ten meter stretch. It can't
be left to the roading guys just to use their
common sense when they look at the piece of road
and go, well, put one here, put when they put
one no in a in a ten meter stretch, they've
got to use this many according to the rules. And
it's not just the road markers. It's prescriptive for everything.
So you can imagine how much costs that's building in now.
As Chris Bishop has said to them, this is to

(47:02):
the councils, you use the new rules or you don't
get the money. And given that many councils actually go
fifty to fifty with central government on roading projects, it's
probably going to work because nothing speaks like a bit
of money being withheld.

Speaker 6 (47:14):
Now.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
The caveat here, obviously is that a numpty will always
find a way to interpret the rules to include ten
thousand more cones than is necessary. But at least I
feel like we are getting somewhere because that road code
tip line that was announced a few months ago, we've
realized that is just a charade. It can't reduce road cones.
If the rules require the road cones, you can report
it all you like. But if they meet the rules,
then they meet the rules. So the only way to

(47:35):
change things is to change the rules threaten money, and
that seems more likely to affect change. I know a
lot of people are gonnay, what do you go banging
on about road cones. Road cones are important because road
cones are like public servants. You need a certain number
and then everything above that is just a waste of money.
And listen. If you cannot cut down on something inanimate

(47:55):
without a family to feed, like a road cone. If
you can't cut down on the cost of road cones,
then you're never going to be able to cut any
costs at all ever.

Speaker 4 (48:04):
Du for see Ellens here.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
The small business owner here. Every single cent of the
fees which can no longer be on charge will be
added to the retail price at the till no exceptions,
starting the same day the surchargers stop.

Speaker 8 (48:15):
So there you go.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
Talk to Nicola Willis about that. She's with us after
six o'clock. I am very happy to report to you
that gentle parenting is out, Thank the Lord. Oh you
know what I'm talking about. If you've got kids under
the age of eighteen, you've tried that thing avenue, you've
gone love. Why are you doing that? Let's tell me
about the big feeling that you're feeling. Anyway, we'll get

(48:38):
something new is in. It's called fatho wait for it.
I'll talk to you about that. What's this one? Ants
can't remember? Flame Trees by Cold Chisel number hmm seven,
Enjoy it.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
After making the news, the newsmakers talk to Heather first,
it's Heather duplessy Ellen drive with One New Zealand let's
get connected news talks.

Speaker 22 (49:11):
They'd be.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
Powder finger my happiness coming in at six. I'm going
to say debatable. I mean, I think you would put
electric blue before before the song, wouldn't you? But then
there's probably got more to do if it's cut through anyway, listen.
Brad Olson's going to be with us in an hour.
I saw him on the news the other night, maybe
last night, holding up a block of butter and telling
me how expensive it was in Beijing. So he must

(49:40):
be in China. So we'll catch up with him shortly.
Talk to him about the job numbers we've seen come
through huddles standing by right now. It's twenty four away
from six now. Small retailers are pushing back at the
government's move to bang credit card surcharges from next year.
The cor MOUs Minister Scott Simpson told us he's doing
a good thing.

Speaker 5 (49:56):
What we want is to have transparency of pricing. A
retailer doesn't want to take a payWave, they don't have to.
There are other ways of pay.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
And Bansell is the chair of the Dairy and Business
Owners Group and with us high An Kit.

Speaker 20 (50:11):
Well, Hi Heather, thanks for me having me on the show.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
Yeah, do you like this idea of banning the search charges?

Speaker 20 (50:17):
Look, Rita, the retailers are very concerned by the dis
proposed changes as the banks can still charge us whatever
the transaction fees they like, or we can't pass it on,
so that seems unfair to us.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
How much do you get charged in your merchant fees
every year?

Speaker 20 (50:32):
Well, on our average small retail is a payer somewhere
around between seven and ten grand a year on depending
on which banks they're with.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
And is it going to get past is it just
going to simply be built into the prices that we pay? Now,
what are you going to do? Are you going to
absorb it?

Speaker 20 (50:47):
Absolutely no. It has to be passed on to the
consumers and the problem is we have to do it
across the board, so even if someone with paying with
cash will still one way or another will pay for
these charges.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
Did you did you warn the government before they did
this that that would be the likely impact?

Speaker 20 (51:05):
We like, we were taken by surpri We had no
idea that this is coming. So but we will be
definitely working with our minister and we will be raising
these issues with him.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
Okay and Kit, thanks very much, really appreciate it. An
Kit ban Sel, Dairy and Business Owners Group chairperson, twenty
two away from six the Huddle with.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
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Speaker 3 (51:29):
I'm the huddle with me this evening, we have Tris
Sharson of Sherston Willis pr and in studio with us
Stuart Nash, former Labor Police Minister. Hello you too, Hallo.
I love that that's what they've labeled you, former Labor
Police minister instead of your current job. Anyway, it's nice
to have you here, Stu, and it's obviously nice to
have you here Tris. Trish, do you think the searcharge
ban is a good move.

Speaker 23 (51:49):
I think the government is banking on this being good
retail politics. Excuse the pun. There's a lot of grumpiness
amongst people, and I know I'm one of them because
I love to use payWave, but the minute I go
and use payWave, there's an extra surcharge put on. I
think one of the problems for the government is, and
you hear it from these small businesses coming in tonight,

(52:11):
that they are increasingly seen as a government that's more
about consumers than for business, and they might think that's
a good thing, but from in terms of their core
support base, a national government cannot afford to lose the
business audience, big or small.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
So do you think it's a political miscalculation.

Speaker 23 (52:32):
I think they think they're on the right side of
the calculation. And I have to say I do think
that anything a surcharge. When I go and there's anything
over one or two percent, I think actually this is
just building in.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
An additional reverge revenue stream in margin. Are you still
cross about the ticketmaster in the air New Zealand because
they can keep on doing it they're unaffected by the band.
But isn't that the thing?

Speaker 23 (52:54):
As a consumer, there is nothing worse than seeing here's
the price, here's the price, and then you get to
the end and the price has gone up by ten
twenty thirty dollars because of all these extra charges. I
think that's really poor and I agree with you that
needs to be addressed as well.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
I don't think this is good to you. I don't
think this is going to impress anybody.

Speaker 7 (53:12):
It's gone after the wrong people. They should be going
after the banks. Yes, banks are the guys that put
the surcharge for the retailers got to pay. When I
was mister small business, which is a nothing, we did.
We had a good look at this and you know
we're paying about twice as much as they do in Australia,
about three times as much as they do in the UK.
Shane Jones, if he was doing this, he would go
after the banks. Now that is good politics, not going

(53:34):
after the retailers, but the guys that are making.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
Good politics though Stu. But it is the actual problem.
I mean, it's a billion dollars in costs every year.
That's just in the interchange fee, right, There'll be more
on top of that in the total merchant fee. So
why not do it? This feels to me like a rush.

Speaker 7 (53:49):
Job, an absolute rush job, and I completely agree with Trish.
You know, this has got to be seen as as
a party. That is business for me. You know, this
was lux and trusts me Iran in New Zealan. I'm
doing He doesn't know what he's doing at all, but
going after retailers. Man, at this point in the economic cycle,
wrong play.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
After the point I know that you've you know, people
who are in government because you're sucking up that heart
just New Zealand.

Speaker 10 (54:13):
First, at the.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
Moment I had heard, I had heard that this is
unfortunately a government that is lurching from week to week
coming up with announcements and the smacks of that. Is
that what you're hearing?

Speaker 7 (54:23):
You know, I've said this time and time again. I
think there is a level of ineptitude on the ninth
floor for listeners who don't know that's the Prime Minister's
office that we haven't seen in a long long time.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
Well, there hasn't been that long since.

Speaker 20 (54:34):
Just in it.

Speaker 6 (54:34):
No, I.

Speaker 7 (54:36):
Come on, Well, if you think we would have seen
this under Wayne Eagleson and John Key or Heather Simpson
and hell Hope and how this is really this is
back to Tricia's point, this is just bad politics if
nothing else. At a point in time when people are
beginning to think, Okay, yeah, who will I vote for?
Views are getting formed, political decisions are being made, and
this sort of thing is just noise that I don't

(54:58):
think the government.

Speaker 23 (54:59):
Needs to go near three quick points. Number one, Let's
remember someone has to pay for the system. Someone has
to pay for the system that hooks all of this up.
So the government has had a look at interchange fees
as well, and they're going up to the front end.
And this is similar to what's happened in Australia. Number two,
just on a higher level around the present government and

(55:20):
the previous I've got two two main issues. Number one,
we are becoming more and more short termism and reactionary.
And number two what we're seeing, And I would argue
this is one of those announcements. Today we are seeing
the generation of politicians who were helicopter parented are now
in charge of the country. Everyone is being helicopter parented.

(55:41):
No one can lose every you know, all our battles
are forteen or you can't be paying too much while
we go up the steps. Yeah, exactly, And I think
if I lift up to that higher level, that is
as a voter. That's my biggest concern with governments, the
previous one, your mates Stee, and also this current government.

Speaker 7 (56:02):
Yeah, but let's get back to the point. Go after
the banks. The banks are making literally billions of dollars
off bloody Kiwis, and this is another way they're wraughting
us completely and utterly. But the government's going after the retailers.
Bad politics.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
Yeah, I totally agree. It's another example of the government's
going after the Kiwis on this one instead of the
Aussie banks. Right, we'll take a break, come back to
these two and just to take it's eighteen away from.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
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Speaker 3 (56:29):
Right, you're back with the huddle Stewart, Nash and Trisherson
ste What do you make of the prime minister getting
booed at.

Speaker 7 (56:33):
The netball Look, no matter what you think of the guy,
that's just bad for When did Kiwi start booing politicians
and mean, for goodness sake the guy. My view on
this is I don't necessarily like who the Prime Minister
is at times, but you've got to respect the position.
The guy's there, he's representing Zell and he's working really,
really hard. Like I said, it doesn't matter we are
like or not, but booing a prime minister, come on, Keywis,
you can do better than that.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
I agree. Barry Soper reckons that netball crowds are just
left and working class and it's to be expected.

Speaker 10 (57:01):
I heard I heard Barry.

Speaker 23 (57:03):
Game and I thought we need to book Barrier ticket
to the next netball game and send her off with
the big sign hello, I'm Barry so so. But the
crowd can identify a couple of things on this. I
agree with Stu. I think this is really performed and
if you and I love the way the MC at
that event tried to bring it back to the sport
and say hey, hey guys, come on, this is you know,

(57:24):
it's about the game. A couple of things. Though, I
think this will be tough for the Nats at the
stage in the electoral cycle. I think it reflects the
mood music that is around at the moment people are feeling,
and it's I don't think at the moment it's not
just people not liking politicians. They're feeling so much in

(57:47):
their back pocket that they really are feeling pissed off
about it. So that's fair enough. The other thing to
think about in this, I'd say this to you, Barry Soper,
if you're listening at home, the netball crowd. Isn't the
Wellington protest fringe to me? This is Middle New Zealand
mums in that big bell curve of voters that national needs.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
Yes, they are.

Speaker 23 (58:09):
Women taking their girls predominantly to these games. And there
is a problem for National which they already know about
about the women's vote. So you know, you can put
aside the noise, but they need to hear the signal.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
And if you are getting booed by women in west Auckland,
you've got a problem, haven't you.

Speaker 7 (58:27):
You've got to mess a problem. The Nats have always
had a problem, and Luxon in particulars have got a
problem with the women vote. I don't know what they
do about that. Whatever they do isn't working at this
point in time. But Tricius, right, there's a general there's
a general dissatisfaction with politicians right. There is no hero
leader out there or even waiting in the wings. Luxon
is not John Key, Hipkins is not just Cinda when
she was really popular. There's no Helen Clark there. There's

(58:49):
no one who you can identify in any party and
say that is a future prime minister. Where we did
with John Key, we kind of did with Jacinda. No
one there so becoming more and more disenfranchised, which just
opens the you know, opens the way for others potentially.

Speaker 23 (59:05):
Well, and think about John I didn't know you should
ask with short here, but you know, remember think about
John Key. He was mobbed wherever he went, when he
was revered wherever he went, and you know, Jacinda had
quite a bit of that at the start. So I
think this is pretty unusual.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
I think it's unusual too. I mean, it is dead
of winter and you know, worst recession in maybe thirty
to fifty years, but it's still.

Speaker 7 (59:32):
Well, that's a sign for times, right.

Speaker 23 (59:34):
But also that's a great point to remember, Heather, this
is the worst recession for thirty years, and I think
politicians tend to gloss over that, and there's a lot
of talk about it's all going well and there are
these green shoots, but the reality is most New Zealanders
have seen some green shoots, but now the frostbitten.

Speaker 7 (59:50):
Yeah, but let's be aware. Let's not make excuses for
what I consider to be really bad behavior. Maybe I'm
just a boy from the regions, a little bit out
of touch, but you know, you don't boom ministers at
sports games like this if you don't like them. Just
keep quiet.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
For God's say, Yep, I think you bang on now,
did either of you guys? I'm going to talk about
gentle parenting in a minute, did either of you guys
do the gentle parenting with the kids. What on earth
is that gentle parenting? The you go, oh, Eggie, you
had money in the face or you must be having
a really big emotion. Would you like to talk to
me about Absolutely not. I mean that's the first time.

Speaker 7 (01:00:22):
With guys.

Speaker 23 (01:00:23):
The first rule with children is never negotiate with a terrorist.
And from the minute that child appears in the world,
they need to know who is in charge.

Speaker 7 (01:00:32):
Look, it's a parent's job to teach them respect, right you. Look,
I've got four kids. Two of them are one, twenty three,
one twenty one. They are my friends. I've got a
thirteen year old and eleven year old. I am their father.
And there's a completely different relationship between the younger ones
and the old ones, as it should be. And they
more from you know, they more from young ones that
you need to teach about life into people who can

(01:00:54):
live their own life and then they become friends. This
whole bullshit that you're talking about here is no place.

Speaker 23 (01:01:00):
Can I give you an old fashioned view on what
the way to really help kids know how to be
a great human being. If parents focus on teaching children
how to sit at a dinner table and eat what's
put in front of them and be grateful for it
and interact with everyone around the table. That is pretty
much every life lesson you will need going forward. So

(01:01:23):
in our house it was always dinner time was a
real thing. You have to engage, you have to have
great chat, and you have to whatever's put on your head.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
Do you have great chat? Would you be like.

Speaker 6 (01:01:34):
So what?

Speaker 7 (01:01:34):
You can't have your cell phone and be watching television
at the same.

Speaker 23 (01:01:37):
Time, Absolutely cannot.

Speaker 7 (01:01:39):
You need to come out to airplace. I completely agree
manners engaging, no cell phones, no TV. It's a time
when the family gathers hundred pcent agree, go back to
that we halfway.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
I saw a parent recently.

Speaker 7 (01:01:50):
I loved it.

Speaker 23 (01:01:51):
This was in the eyele of the supermarket and he
had a little girl, absolutely gorgeous, is probably about three
or four. She knew she had dad, absolutely on the
ropes and she reaches out and takes it, snatches something
off the candy bar. You could see him. He actually
went pale because he knew the minute he approached her
she was going to.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
Just he was tiptoeing around her little emotions.

Speaker 23 (01:02:10):
She was going to take the alert level from amber
to read, which is exactly what she did.

Speaker 8 (01:02:15):
And so do you know what he did?

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
He went, Oh, we'll just have it.

Speaker 7 (01:02:19):
You know who that Knowing your audience, I doubt there's
anyone out there here to agree with this.

Speaker 20 (01:02:24):
What do you call it?

Speaker 7 (01:02:24):
Waite parenting?

Speaker 10 (01:02:25):
Would you care?

Speaker 7 (01:02:27):
The vast majority understand that parents are there for a reason.
They're they're there to teach their kids about right and wrong.
Sometimes I don't get it right, but more often not
they do.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
Gentle I think you're speaking like a man from Hawk's Bay.
I can hang out in where she does.

Speaker 23 (01:02:42):
Here's a little plug for my kids, which were you know,
gray Linn grown up kids. They are absolutely top human beings.
They are great that they were not gentle because they
were certainly not gentle parented.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
Look, I've got to be honest. I did not expect
that I would just throw that out to you and
you just go.

Speaker 7 (01:02:57):
For five minutes, Well, you're going to make sure you
don't gentle parents. I can't imagine bears being a gentle parent.

Speaker 23 (01:03:01):
Oh no, no, Well, and if we keep gentle parenting kids,
we're going to end up with more governments like we've
just been complaining.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
About exactly anyway, I'm going to talk about it in
the guys. It's lovely to have the pair of you
in studio. Thank you so much, Stu Nash and Treshareson.
It's eight away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
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Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
Or I almost forgot. I've got to run you through this.
Guess how many public servants we cut since the election.
Remember how we were being told we're going to cut
all these public servants and David Sema was saying, you know,
like fifteen thousand. You should be expecting fifteen thousand. Do
you know how many we've cut since the election? None,
by the looks of things, maybe maybe added one hundred

(01:03:47):
and twenty one now to be fair, Okay, it depends
on where you measure the public servants from the least generous.
The least generous measure is that we've added one hundred
and twenty one. Actually, the most generous measure is that
we've cut maybe nine hundred and thirty four. But out
of out of sixty three thousand odd public servants, that's
not a lot, especially when twenty seventeen there were only

(01:04:08):
there were forty eight thousand, and we've jumped up to
sixty three thousand. I feel like we need to slash
and burn that stuff anyway, just another case of all talk,
no delivery. We'll have a chat to Nikola Willis about
that when she's with us. Now. On the gentle parenting.
The reason I've raised this is because there is a
report in the Wall Street Journal that gentle parenting is
now officially out and FAFO is in, and FAFO is

(01:04:29):
f around and find out as in, yeah, do that,
do that, and find out what the consequences are, and
they reckon that. What's going on is an increasing number
of parents additching the softer approach to child rearing and
taking this harder line of outferling the kids feral. For example,
Carla Dylan tried lots of ways to discipline. It starts
like this, the story to discipline her rambunctious thirteen year old,

(01:04:52):
including making him write the same contrite sentence one hundred
times when he sprayed her with a water gun at
a campground after she had asked him not to. She
only saw one option. She picked him up and threw
him in the pond. Clothes and all that is FAFO
in action, and I love it. I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:09):
I do this.

Speaker 12 (01:05:09):
Do you do this?

Speaker 8 (01:05:10):
I do this, I say.

Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
I'll say to the little guy, I say, Eggy, if
you break that toy that you're about to break out,
see mummy can see you're about to break that toy.
You break that toy, why don't you find out what
happens to your toy? Because you know what happens to
your toy. I picked that toy up and I throw
it in the bin. I'm not going to fix it.
And then he breaks it. Then I throw it in
the bin and I go too bad, and there's no
coming back. There's no there's no amount of tears that
you can possibly cry that gets that out of the bin.

(01:05:34):
Because you've warned them about the consequences, you have to
follow through. Apparently the feeling is gentle parenting, which is
the one where I was explaining before, where they hit
you in the face and you go, oh, you had
a big feeling. Why did you hit mommy in the face. Oh,
dear God alive. Apparently that has led to all of
the problems that we've got with gen Z. They think
gen Z gen Z struggle in the workplace relationships, and

(01:05:56):
they think that's because parents never told them no, but
just gave them the chocolate bar in the aisle of
the supermarket. They suffer from depression and anxiety, and they
think that's because parents hovered over them at the playground
and went and Emma, can you please give for Cindia go?
Can you give Cyndy goa nos, Emmy, you had lots
of guys on the seathol can you give Cyndia go?
So all of that stuff you think you're doing for
your kids is good, really bad anyway?

Speaker 12 (01:06:16):
So there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
If you're like me, going, oh, do I need to
go hard? Do I need to just stop this nonsense? Yes,
you need to stop this nonsense. Just give them some
consequences and throw them in the pond if you have
to just make sure that they can swim. You don't
want us to end in death. Okay, here we go.
Number five, low point, low point. I loved this once,

(01:06:38):
but jeez, you hear it on all of the spark
you'd hold on the phone lines. Hear it everywhere, don't you. Anyway,
it's number five in the list. Nikola willis next.

Speaker 4 (01:06:51):
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Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
Evening coming up in the next hour. We've got to
drop off in jobs available. Brad Olson on that. We've
got Spark shaking up its line up. Shane Soley on
that and Gavin Gray does the UK for US right
now at seven past six and with US as Nichola
Willis the Finance Minister evening Nikola.

Speaker 8 (01:07:15):
Good evening here the research for US. I have been
doing a bit of detective work. You'll recall you accuse
me of being the MP in Jacinda's book who outrageously
heckled her, and I've had it confirmed that it was
in fact Amy Adams. She has confirmed that herself and
I think it's fair to say she doesn't regret it

(01:07:37):
at all. The only thing that she regrets is the
fact that she was described as having a private school voice.
She's very proud of having attended a large public co
ed school.

Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
Oh okay, So, so Amy said, it's okay for you
to out.

Speaker 8 (01:07:51):
Her absolutely, I said, wow, I think Heather would like
to know this. Are you okay with me sharing with
the public and she said, No, I'm not ashamed at all.
In fact, I think heckling someone on your first term
is not to be ashamed of.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
No, totally. And I mean in the end, heckling j
Cinda is actually about it of honor.

Speaker 10 (01:08:09):
But what do you think?

Speaker 8 (01:08:10):
That was the exact phrase she used.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
Amy is nothing if not hard as nails to this day.
What do you think about her act? I mean you're
not a good judge because you don't think that you've
got a private school accent. I think you do well.

Speaker 8 (01:08:25):
I think it's important in a job where you publicly
are communicating that you make yourself well understood and you
enunciate your words well. But then I also recall John
Key was a brilliant Prime minister and man, oh man,
did he mash his words from time?

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
He made a lot of them up, didn't he? He
really did?

Speaker 6 (01:08:40):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
Thank you for doing that, because if there's nothing, I
love a fact and I love clarifying the fact. And
I shall write that in the book that one Amy Adams. Now,
what is going on with the surcharge band? Because I'll
tell you what. I'm getting a lot of texts from
small business owners who are pretty upset about it.

Speaker 8 (01:08:57):
Well, look, there's two things. First, last week, the Commerce
Commission came out with a ruling that said that they're
going to regulate down the charges that retailers have to
pay merchants. So these are the interchange fees to MasterCard
and Visa. So that is worth about ninety million dollars
worth of savings to retailers. It averages about five hundred

(01:09:19):
dollars a week for a small business, so very significant.
Then the second thing becomes, how do you make sure
that that overall reduction and cost is actually passed through
to the shopper and they're not just charged surcharges that
no longer reflect the actual cost to retailers. So rather
than coming up with a complicated formula, we've just said, look,

(01:09:41):
no more charges like that for MasterCard and Visa. And
if retailers do think they still have some costs, then
they need to reflect those in the same way they
do the cost of electricity. It's the cost of rent,
the cost of rates, all of that stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
So the charges that we're talking about in total, the
merchant fees, how much do you reckon retailers a getting
charged in merchant fees every year?

Speaker 8 (01:10:02):
Well, I don't know that, and to the extent that
I would, it's commercially sensitive.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
It's billions overall. It's billions in billions right because the
interchange fee, which is just a component, is one billion,
so it's multiple billions. So what do you think, Nicley,
you know how this works. What do you think is
going to happen? The retailers can't pass it on to
us now transparently in a search charge. They're going to
build it into their prices. We're all going to pay
this now, aren't we.

Speaker 8 (01:10:23):
Well I would reverse it and say, actually, it is
now going to be transparent because instead of it giving
you a little spike when you get to the counter
and you went factoring that in when.

Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
You don't have the power you wanted to buy them
cost card.

Speaker 8 (01:10:36):
Well, not everyone has that choice, and it's actually a bit.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
Of a costcard that has a credit card.

Speaker 8 (01:10:43):
Well, there are a range of different rates that are
charged from store to store, and I would love to
meet the New Zealander who's never got sticker shock when
they went to pay and ended up with a big
surcharge when they did that. This is about transparent fear pricing.
So the price that you see on the tag as.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
The program you pay. If it truly is, then why
didn't you guys deal to Air New Zealand and ticket Master,
who are frankly the most egregious.

Speaker 8 (01:11:08):
Well are you talking about online payment?

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
So when you go and book yourself? Yeah, I tried
today to see what is the New Zealand charging if
I book a couple of flights and it was a
six dollar fee. Laura the producer went to go look
at the banks. He aren't. She got charged eight dollars
by ticket Master almost she didn't go through with it
in the end because of that. She was going to
get charged eight dollars by ticket Master. So why didn't
you guys sort that out?

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Well?

Speaker 8 (01:11:30):
I understand that the fees for that that retailers pay
or sellers of services in this Casey and New Zealand
are a lot higher because it's a much more complicated system,
because they need to be able to do refunds, they
need to protect against fraud, online scams and the like.
So there is a genuinely much higher cost that they
have to bear for those online transactions.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
You know that and show you guys that stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:11:55):
Well that that was reflected in the commerce comicular decisions
last week.

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
But if you force a dairy to absorb all of
those merchant fees, and why can't you force you know,
ticket mask, which is a global company, to absorb the
handling fee.

Speaker 8 (01:12:09):
Well, a couple of things there. First, it's because it
is genuinely a lot more expensive for them to do
those online transactions. The second thing is we remain quite
hopeful that fintech companies will be coming up with better
solutions in that online space and there's now going to
be room for them to compete there.

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
Hey listen, Okay, So we have got some debate in
the numbers at the moment about how many public servants
you've actually managed to cut since coming into government.

Speaker 20 (01:12:33):
What is it?

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
Is it added one hundred and twenty one or is
it cut nine hundred and thirty four?

Speaker 8 (01:12:38):
A cut about two thousand la three?

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
Serious?

Speaker 8 (01:12:41):
Another I saw, No.

Speaker 3 (01:12:43):
That's only from the peak. That's the peak that you
reached when you guys were in there. If you go
from September just before the election, which is about sixty
four thousand, you've only managed to cut nine hundred and
thirty four. Why what's going on?

Speaker 23 (01:12:54):
Well?

Speaker 8 (01:12:55):
Two things. The first is that this is the first
year since twenty six that the number of policy, clerical
and admin staff has actually dropped, so we're very much
focused on those roles. At the same time, the number
of people hired by Corrections to lock up criminals has increased.

Speaker 3 (01:13:14):
By how many?

Speaker 8 (01:13:15):
By hundreds?

Speaker 3 (01:13:16):
How many?

Speaker 8 (01:13:16):
By hundreds? Hundreds? Well, I'm advised that there are six
hundred and forty five more inspectors and regulators, that there
are hundreds more working in our contact centers, around seven
hundred and seventy seven, So that's direct service delivery to
New Zealanders. So what you're seeing is those numbers are
increasing to make sure that we're delivering good public services

(01:13:37):
to people. The same time, we have made actual cuts
to those back office roles as we said we would.
And at the same time, either let's not forget the
last government was spending hundreds of millions on consultants as
well as having all of those policy advisors, and we
have reduced that bill significantly. In fact, we've ever shot
our own target.

Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
But I mean, this is a government that promised cuts
off maybe as many as fifteen thousand public servants. Can
you see why people might be a bit disappointed?

Speaker 8 (01:14:05):
Well, I certainly never made that promise. But you know,
I am kind of amused on one level, which is
that you get labor out there saying that I've cut
thousands and thousands of public servants, which just sort of
makes you think, well, if they get away with that
line and it's repeated at infinite and what else are
they telling you that mightily is exaggerated. At the same time,

(01:14:27):
what we are doing is focusing that we're hiring more police,
We're hiring more teachers, more corrections officers, all of those
frontline roles, as we said we would. But at the
same time, as I said, first time since twenty sixteen
that a government has reduced the number of policy advisors, must.

Speaker 3 (01:14:42):
Strikes me that this is the problem that you guys
have got, And this is becoming very much a pattern,
right that you go so hard on the rhetoric and
then cop all of the blowback for it, and then
in fact nothing really changes. So you're wearing all of
the stuff for not changing anything, and you're disappointing the
people who think you're charging things, and then you diappointing
the people when they find out they haven't changed.

Speaker 8 (01:15:01):
You haven't changed, well from our perspective sitting there and
looking at budgets. It's changed pretty fundamentally because the last
government every budget was having to fork out hundreds of
millions of dollars more for a ballooning public sector. We
have started from a very different position. We started by
reducing its spend and then each budget, rather than them
coming to us with all of their ideas, they only
even get invited into the budget process at our requests.

(01:15:25):
So it's a very different environment.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
But you know, you might be impressed, but it's really
hard to be impressed on the other side of the
say like this is incredibly disappointing. I think there's a
lot of disappointment over and over again.

Speaker 8 (01:15:35):
Well, we have to make sure that we have the
resources in place to deliver our jobs, deliver our services, deliver,
deliver to New Zealanders, and we're ensuring that we do
while also continuing to put the hammer down, put the
pressure down on those back officels really quickly.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
Barry Soper Reckins, You've got the big supermarket announcement in
about a couple of weeks, is.

Speaker 8 (01:15:54):
That right, Well, the Prime Minister is confirmed, we'll be
making an announcement this quarter, so that this quarter hens
at the end of August.

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
Oh okay, so six weeks all right, hate well five,
Thank you very much, Nicole. I appreciated this. Nichola willis
the Finance minister. Sixteen past.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
It's the Heather Duper Cell and Drive Full show podcast
on my Heart Radio powered by news dog ZEPPI.

Speaker 17 (01:16:18):
Heather.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
Where a small business b n Z used to handle
our merchant fees, they no longer do this. We now
use wind Cave and what was a few hundred dollars
per month is now over ten thousand dollars. That's from
Stephen Heather. This government has full merchant fees onto small
businesses and allowed Visa Mastercar to set any rate they want.
From a center right voter, I'm done with this government.
Here the get out of my life government. I will

(01:16:39):
never pay. I never pay the surcharge ever, but now
I will without wanting to cheers for nothing. Yeah, I
don't think. I don't know, do you know what? It's
one of those things though where it may well, it
may well just be that it works brilliantly as retail politics.
Most people go yay, no surcharge, and those of us
who see the problems that are just to select few

(01:16:59):
who have to get up over at twenty pass six
with me. Now is Shane Solly, Harbor Asset Management. Hey Shane,
Hello Heather. Now how have the markets reacted to the
EU and the US doing this trade deal?

Speaker 7 (01:17:10):
Well?

Speaker 13 (01:17:11):
Yeah, after a bit of golf in the weekend in Scotland,
mister Trump on bar of the US is cut a
deal with the European Union and l see EU face
fifteen percent tariffs on most of the exports. That means
they avoid the thirty percent plus number that mister Trump
tariff did a little while ago. It doesn't include pharmaceuticals
and metal sects. It's except so the market likes it.

(01:17:33):
But what the market's also focusing on either is tonight
in Stockholm, mister percent the Treasury Secretary for the US's
meeting with the Chinese, and there's a rumor come out
of the South China Morning Post saying that they're going
to extend the tariff truce by another three months. No sources,
of course, but that would mean that we're seeing that
can kick down the road. Seeingly, I think this greater

(01:17:55):
certainty that we're seeing at the European deal, the Japanese
deal last year, just taking some of the risk away
for capital markets, supporting a further broad based recovery and
shear markets. Even our shre market today had a bit
of a balance today either up zero point four percent,
but will take it so be more positive.

Speaker 3 (01:18:14):
How good do you think that Donald Trump's pressure is
going to lead to a cut by the Federal Reserve
this week?

Speaker 13 (01:18:22):
Certainly heaping on the pressure. The short answer is the
markets don't think so. The market thinks the Federal Open
Market Committee it's going to hold the Fed funds rate
at at four point twenty five four point five percent
range on Thursday, watching for changes in the language, which
you know, the US economy is in pretty resilient. The
inflation is coming in lower, of course, so it's getting

(01:18:43):
harder for the US Fed the Reserve to say no.
Every central bank wants to see what tarrifs do, so
there'll be a few dissenters on the committee. We would
not be surprised to see cuts by the US Federal
Reserve later in the year, markets thinking December and another
one in twenty six. On Thursday, we might get a
little bit of a skew saying the cuts are going
to be earlier or more substantial, So that will be

(01:19:07):
driven by data. And mister Powell has j Powell, the
head of the Fed, has been very resilient in pushing
back on political pressure.

Speaker 3 (01:19:16):
Now we've had quite a few changes a spark today.
What's the market made of this?

Speaker 13 (01:19:21):
Yeah, so we've seen a couple of board member changes
Lindsay Wright, Vinshawksworth and Tarequabauta coming on and Gordon McLeod
and Sheridan Broadbent coming off.

Speaker 6 (01:19:32):
Spark.

Speaker 13 (01:19:33):
The Altellicom New Zone has been on under a lot
of pressure to refresh the board after share price has
underperformed basically over the last three years. It's underperformed by
forty eight percent versus the rest of the market, ie
the New Zealand sharemakers have about forty percent in the
three years and sparks down thirty four percent. How did
the market react? Went up the share price Sparkshire price

(01:19:55):
went up missoerio point four percent to two dollars forty
nine So kind of we're taking it in saying yep,
directionally interesting and useful.

Speaker 20 (01:20:03):
Let's see what happens next.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
Yes, Sesson more absolutely brilliant stuff. Shane, thanks so much,
look after yourself. We'll talk to you next week. Shane Solly,
Harbor Astic Management, six twenty three.

Speaker 4 (01:20:12):
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Speaker 3 (01:20:22):
Talks that'd be Brad Olson's going to be with us
shortly on the job numbers, shrinkage in the job market.
I think he's in China. He'll talk us through at
six twenty six. Now in some show biz news, you say,
is now the title hold of the most profitable country
music tour of all time.

Speaker 10 (01:20:37):
She closed out her.

Speaker 3 (01:20:38):
Cowboy Carter tour last night in Las Vegas. Show has
made over four hundred million dollars in revenue and it's
thirty two shows. That means it's made an average of
thirteen to fourteen million dollars per show. Now, this makes
it the highest per show average for any artist. In
twenty twenty five, at her final Las Vegas show, Beyonce
reunited with her former d Child bandmates to perform their

(01:20:59):
song Lose My Breath. I mean, mainly what you can
hear is just hyper ventilating fans. But if you know
the tune you were you were there, You were there
with them, weren't you. The trio then did a symbolic
passing of the torch to Beyonce's daughter Blue Ivy Carter,

(01:21:22):
who's thirteen years old. She's been performing alongside her mum
at all Cowboy Carter shows this year, which means she
really is Destiny's child.

Speaker 7 (01:21:30):
You like that joke?

Speaker 3 (01:21:31):
Yeah, they wrote it for me. I did not write
that one, That's right, I did not write that one.
All right, go on, then that's what is it?

Speaker 4 (01:21:40):
Doesn't that sound?

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
Familia?

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
I never realized how Australian she said that maggage you ever?

Speaker 13 (01:21:49):
Isn't it?

Speaker 24 (01:21:50):
And doesn't that fail the care that it's a perfectly
nice like pop song. I don't think this is the
fourth best Australian song ever made, not at all like.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
This makes it even more of a cross. That ice
House is electric Blue is at at one hundred. Leave
me with a scar anyway, bless, bless you know, like
I don't have a song that's coming number four on
Triple J's All Time Greatest Australian Songs, do you know?
But anyway, Missy Higgins does Brad is next.

Speaker 25 (01:22:19):
With that.

Speaker 4 (01:22:24):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
It's headed Duplessy Ellen with the Business Hour and MAS
for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions News talks that'd.

Speaker 10 (01:22:34):
Be This is the third the Veronica untoped.

Speaker 3 (01:22:48):
It might surprise you to know that Ans absolutely banging
this one out out there. He is singing along with it.
Here we were thinking that he's sort of like high
level diff diff.

Speaker 24 (01:22:59):
I have been waiting for this one all day. No, yeah,
absolutely lost Taysoon News Lolliwoo DJs played this song at
four thirty am at Rhythm and Vines twenty seventeen and
it was just amazing.

Speaker 16 (01:23:11):
The crowd just lit up.

Speaker 10 (01:23:12):
This is a song that nobody cannot dance to.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
Just remember this when he when he tells you that
something isn't allSome, just remember this.

Speaker 10 (01:23:21):
This is what is allesome an answers world.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
Thank you ants. Anyway, I got number one coming up shortly.
We're skipping number two and ANTS will explain why shortly.
Right now, it's twenty four away from seven now. There
were almost twenty eight thousand fewer jobs in June compared
to last June. More than twelve thousand of those lost
jobs came from the construction sector. Almost six thousand were
manufacturing jobs. Education and primary industries added jobs. Brad Olson
as INFA Metrics principal economist, Hey, Brad, good evening. Look,

(01:23:45):
I mean, you know, lost jobs has lost jobs, and
it's never great. But is this as bad as expected
or is it worse or not and not as bad?

Speaker 9 (01:23:53):
Well, I mean, look, it's certainly challenging when the economy
has lost twenty eight thousand rolls over the last year,
But in fearness, we've sort of already known that for
quite a few months. You look back at what we've
seen over the last couple and job numbers have been
down at this level or if not even worse of
an annual decline. That's not to say that things are
easy at the moment, but we have been seeing on

(01:24:15):
a more month to month basis that job numbers in
New Zealand have broadly been tracking sideways, some months up,
some months down, but really no real trend. And I
think that's probably the wider concern. We know that there's
been a big job drop in jobs, but people are
now looking and going well. Surely now that we're starting
to see some of those the economic rev up, that's
being talked about where are the jobs we're starting to

(01:24:36):
see that growth yet, and unfortunately, so far, there's just
not really any evidence. In the month of June a
very slight zero point one percent increase in the seasonally
adjusted monthly figures, but really no real trend in so far.
There's just no evidence that we're seeing a pick up
quite yet. Have we reached the bottom though, I think
we probably have, or you'd certainly hope so, over the

(01:24:59):
next couple of month at least, I don't think it
would start to deteriorate.

Speaker 4 (01:25:02):
All that much.

Speaker 9 (01:25:03):
Further, we're still expecting that the likes of the unemployment
rate will peak ever so slightly higher than where it
was at the start of this year, around five point
three percent over the next couple of months. But interestingly,
you're starting to see in some areas actually a bit
of growth. For the likes of the South Island job
numbers are now up ever so slightly on where they

(01:25:23):
were a year ago. It's just that North Island job
figures are down quite heavily, and so I think that
does start to highlight that, yes, there are some areas
that are starting to see a slow pick up the
primary sector are you seeing some more jobs coming through
in the likes of finance, health education, But other big
job losses, like in construction and manufacturing, professional professional services,

(01:25:44):
none of those picking up at any time soon. And
I think that's the challenge, is that some of those
big areas that normally do take on a lot of
jobs just no real new opportunities starting to show through.
So tough out there still for many.

Speaker 3 (01:25:55):
Yeah, totally. I mean construction we obviously expected to pick
up again, but manufacturing do you ever expected to pick up?
Or have we kind of have we got to the
point now where most of the stuff that we've lost
will never be replaced.

Speaker 9 (01:26:09):
Look, I think in some areas businesses will of course
have been looking at, you know, buying capital, plant and equipment,
machinery to try and do some of those roles into
the future, so potentially there's not quite as much upturn.
But also in some of those more niche sort of
advanced manufacturing areas, yes, I think New Zealand's got some
opportunity there. It's actually probably the other way around. I mean,

(01:26:29):
likes of construction. I'm not sure if those numbers necessarily
pick up all that heavily. Yes, the government's doing more
infrastructure investment and similar but we're not about to crash
interest rates down to a level that would stimulate the
highest building since the nineteen seventies. That's where we were
a couple of years ago. That's why we've had such
a job loss because we added so many before. Long
story short, we're just trying to find that Goldilock zone

(01:26:50):
for the economy at the moment, and that is a
very very tough process when you're seeing these numbers of
job losses coming through.

Speaker 3 (01:26:55):
Fair enough, now, Brad, did I see you on the
news as being in China?

Speaker 9 (01:27:00):
Indeed, indeed, I am.

Speaker 3 (01:27:02):
Is this a holiday? I mean, what am I asking?

Speaker 8 (01:27:04):
You?

Speaker 3 (01:27:04):
Never take a holiday? So what work related thing are
you doing in China?

Speaker 9 (01:27:09):
It's a holiday of sorts hither. I mean, I'm just
sort of here trying to see what the economy's doing it.
Of course, China is our largest trading partner and there's
some pretty big opportunities. So having a bit of a
look around anything from you know, what's happening with consumer
trends and the fact that there's just so many new
products all of a sudden, you know, coming out sort
of every second week, lots of new drinks and beverages,
cheesy options and similar emerging. I mean, we talk a

(01:27:31):
lot about butter and New Zealand at the moment, but
over in China they're paying a lot more for what
we're sending over, So it's good to see a healthy
export market occurring.

Speaker 3 (01:27:40):
To what's the coolest thing you see? What's the coolest
new product you've seen?

Speaker 9 (01:27:44):
Oh, I'm trying to. I mean there have been some
recent collabs where you know your classic cheese slice, well
now they've edited in a few extra flavors into them,
you know, to sort of meet the market over here.
I think there's something like spicy crayfish tomato, and there
was one other I've forgotten. But it's neat because you're
seeing sort of product innovation right in front of you.

(01:28:06):
New Zealand we're sort of on the bleeding edge of
taking those new opportunities, you know, figuring out what local
customers want and then sort of churning them out or
working with partners to put out the good stuff. It's
been quite exciting just to see everything. I mean, everything
moves so fast here. The tech and innovation is just hectic.

Speaker 3 (01:28:24):
Good stuff. Brad Hey thanks very much and save travels back.
That's Brad Olson, Infametric's principal economist. It's nineteen away from seven.

Speaker 4 (01:28:29):
So ever, dup to see Allen Chris.

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
From Raleigh, New Zealand reckons they weren't booing the Prime
Minister at the Netball but they were in fact booing
Jenny Wiley because they're not happy about the changes that
Jenny Wyley is making to netball, which is look, it's applausible.
It's applausible theory. It's possible he did, however, I mean
he obviously felt it was him though, because he owned
it today in the press conference. But she's a tough

(01:28:53):
if he was standing there getting booed for someone else's mistakes, now,
just send it. I did give you some trigger warning earlier, okay.
So I am a little bit surprised by these numbers.
It turns out that most people think that just Cinda
actually did a really good job during COVID. Talbot Mills
has put out some polling today and where they ask

(01:29:13):
people how would you rate her leadership during COVID? And
these are the results and this is a credible study, right,
So don't come back and be like not enough people. Whatever,
it's fine. It's Talbot Mills, you can believe it. The
number of people the proportion of people who rated her
leadership is good is twenty five percent. The proportion and
proportion of people who rated her leadership is very good

(01:29:35):
it's thirty eight percent. You add those two together, very
good and good, that's sixty three percent of us. Sixty
three percent of us think that Cinda did a good
or very good job during COVID. Sixteen percent are unsure.
They must be new migrants because everybody else has got
an opinion. Seven percent thought poor and fifteen percent thought

(01:29:58):
very poor, which means that people who thought it was
poor or very poor was only twenty three percent. Now
does that shock you as much as it shocks me.
It shocks me because if this was taken in the
height of COVID, I would be like, yeah, that makes yeah.
I can see that there was a minority of us
who were mainly living in Auckland and thinking the whole
thing was a shambles, and the majority of people were

(01:30:21):
afraid of COVID, living in fear, happy with it. But
you know, it's five years on, four years on, we've
all had the rona. It hasn't been that bad. We're
all seeing how the country's completely stuffed as a result.
It surprises me. It surprises me that nearly two in
every three of us still think it was an awesome
job done by just Cinda. But anyway, there you go,

(01:30:41):
So you know, maybe don't go to a barbecue and
just pipe up about how just Cinda handled it, because
chances are that if there's three of you standing there,
you're going to be the only one who thinks it
was a bad job. Now, can I just refer you
to what happened over the weekend, which I think may
well may in fact be the biggest boss move of
the weekend. Astronomer is the company who had the couple,

(01:31:01):
the CEO and the HR chief. It was them who
were busted at the cold Play. They worked for Astronomer.
Astronomer now has hired a special celebrity spokesperson to speak
on their behalf. Who did they hire? They hired the
ex wife of the cold Play lead singer, Gwyneth Paltrow.

Speaker 25 (01:31:21):
Hi, I'm Gwyneth Paltrow. I've been hired on a very
temporary basis to speak on behalf of the three hundred
plus employees at Astronomer. Astronomer has gotten a lot of
questions over the last few days, and they wanted me
to answer the last common ones.

Speaker 3 (01:31:36):
Now you do get this, You do get what a
boss move. This is right because there are now two
couples who have ex wives. His ex wife and the
one he was bonking. She's now an ex wife because
their marriages have split up. And why did they split up?
Because they were at a Coldplay concert, So they got
Coldplay's ex wife. That's clever, right, Like that is very
clever anyway, you know how she said that she was
going to answer all the questions. Yet, don't get excited.

Speaker 25 (01:31:58):
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Speaker 3 (01:32:11):
That is clever because what they did was they took
a really crappy situation and they poked the Borrex edit u.
They just had a bit of fun with it and
now they look like they're actually good sorts.

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They'd be right, Devin. By the way, I might have
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Speaker 4 (01:32:42):
Hi there, Eah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:43):
Now does it look to you like the EU deal
with the US is not that great for the EU?

Speaker 1 (01:32:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (01:32:48):
And I think the media and analysts are suggesting as
much this morning. Of course, we still really don't have
much in the way of detail, but the European Union
and America heralding as a big and it is a
big deal because it's roughly one in three goods and
services around the world, So the US EU trade is

(01:33:10):
a massive, massive factor around the world. But we now know,
of course that the EU will still end up paying tariffs. Well,
looks like everyone is going to fifteen percent, so that's
half the thirty percent that they were being threatened with,
but more than the UK's ten percent. And the deal
will add roughly ninety billion US dollars revenue for American

(01:33:33):
government coffers. I mean, that's a huge sum of money.
And the EU also buying US energy products and also
a defense worth hundreds of billions of dollars.

Speaker 7 (01:33:44):
And indeed JD.

Speaker 22 (01:33:45):
Vans has said that he reckons that the headlines around
the world will be Donald Trump only got ninety nine
point nine percent of what he asked for. What did
Europe get back in return? Well, I think they are
kind of playing the longer game. The European economy is
sluggish at the moment, so they didn't want to upset
that they need America's help for defense and now recognize that.

(01:34:06):
And despite the tough words from Emmanuel mac gran saying
that it should be a level playing field and Europe
should then impose tariffs on America, it just looks like
they thought, do you know what will swallow this pill?
It'll make exports imports from America more expensive and therefore
I dissuade people from buying American and overall decided this

(01:34:27):
was something that they would have to do and will do.

Speaker 16 (01:34:30):
But they're painting it as a success.

Speaker 3 (01:34:32):
How long do you think that the UK is prepared
to drop eight into Gaza because this is not a
short term effect, is it?

Speaker 22 (01:34:38):
No, it isn't And at the moment so far, the
planes that have been on route via Jordan and Ua
have not involved the IREF and have not been UK
food or UK provided supplies, but the British Prime Minister
says they are working with Jordan now to get British

(01:35:00):
planes and indeed British supplies in the air and into Gaza.
It comes at a very very interesting time with Israel
now saying they'll do these tactical ceasefires are tactical peace
times in order to get the AID in. There's huge
pressure on Sekires Starmer France is to become the first
G seven nation to recognize a Palestinian state. A large

(01:35:25):
number of MP's, even from Secure Starmer's own party of government,
are demanding that he recognized Palestine as an independent state
and now here Sekires Starmer is today with a two
hour meeting set aside to speak to Donald Trump. Yes,
it will be about aid and it will be rather
about trade. That's what Donald Trump wants to talk about

(01:35:48):
to flesh out a few of the little issues that
remain following the announcement of a trade deal between the
UK and the US. But also Sekires Starmer definitely promising
to mention the situation in Gaza it's.

Speaker 3 (01:36:00):
Good to talk to you. Look after yourself. We talked
to you in a couple of days. Kevin Gray, UK correspondent,
nine Away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:36:06):
It's the Heather Too Pussy Allen Drive Full Show podcast
on iHeartRadio powered by news dog Zebbi.

Speaker 3 (01:36:14):
Heather, I'm one's this is hot off the press, just
come in literally hither, I'm one standing with a good
job on COVID response. I'm not a justin a fan
by any stretch of the imagination. She did what she
thought was the right thing with her advisors for New Zealand.
I don't hear baby boomers complaining. We felt ithered too
and safe. The defiance and attitude was unbelievable and so on.

(01:36:34):
Thank you for that. Now I've had an email. I
reckon listen. I get some awesome emails. Ah, and I've
got to be honest. I don't I don't give my
email correspondence nearly enough time on the show. This is
the quality of an email that I get. This is
from Fiona Heather. I'm reminded of a conversation that I
overheard in a pub in tie Happy maybe thirty five
plus years ago. It was lunchtime and I called into

(01:36:56):
the pub for a light meal or my travels from
Rutu to Wellington. It was a holiday weekend. Remember this
is thirty five plus years ago, right, so we're talking
about like it's like the eighties.

Speaker 24 (01:37:05):
Must have been a really good light lunch.

Speaker 11 (01:37:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:37:07):
Still, remember this is the eighties and Fiona still remembers
this on her trip from roade Vegas to Wellington. It
was a holiday weekend, so bugger all was open and
tie happy. So I rocked up and I ordered my
light meal and I sat down at a table. There
was only one local in the bar, and there was
a gnarly bar maid. She'd seen it all. She asked
the local to put some firewood into the pot belly
stove and he complained a lot, muttering something sexual about

(01:37:30):
fitting big things into small holes, et cetera. And she
just said, Harry, that's you all over, all bang and
no bloody bullet. And it was said dryly, not even
a smirk on her face. I'm reminded of this with
Nikola Willis, she is all bang and no bloody bullet.
I am increasingly becoming dissolution. With Nicola, she shrieks statements
but doesn't seem to deliver cheers, Fiona, do you know

(01:37:52):
what you send me an awesomema like that? Because to
be honest, Colin sent another one last week that was
so good. I said to him email and I was
an Email of the day Colin, but I didn't read
it out to you, and that's a crime. Well, Fiona's
I've learned email of the day, Fiona, and it goes
on air. So you keep that kind of correspondence up.
Well done you. We're not gonna waste you know what.

(01:38:14):
There's a lot of effort that went into crafting something
as good as that, and it's a crime that it
just gets deleted or just disappears into the etho, just
a whole bunch of ones and zeros. But now it's
out there. Thank you for that, Fiona.

Speaker 24 (01:38:25):
All right, go on as ye never tear us apart
by an excess voted by Australia or at least Triple
J listeners in Australia as the greatest Australian song of
all time.

Speaker 3 (01:38:39):
Because it's a bang up, isn't it. Listen to it.

Speaker 10 (01:38:45):
A weirdly.

Speaker 3 (01:38:47):
This is some good keyboards in the background, got a
good steady like intentional drum beat and a sex god.

Speaker 10 (01:38:54):
At the front.

Speaker 24 (01:38:55):
And I think when they looked at the voting demographics,
it was a lot of young people mostly who voted
in this thing. So yeah, it's the songs from nineteen
eighty eight. Pierona might have been listening to it in
that pub, who knows, who knows, But yeah, so even
the modern generations can still appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:39:09):
Now, what was number two and why did you skip it?

Speaker 24 (01:39:11):
Number two was the Nosebleed section by Hilltop Hoods, And
as much as I like the song, I skipped it
because there's way to medif words in it.

Speaker 10 (01:39:18):
When was that song put out?

Speaker 24 (01:39:19):
I've never heard of two thousand and three. That was
their first big hit. That was the one that kind
of broke them through. They've actually it's interesting because it
got night in the Triple J Hot one hundred at
the time, and they've had songs that have done better
since then. That turns out in hindsight, people.

Speaker 3 (01:39:31):
Really like the first one better than ice House.

Speaker 24 (01:39:35):
I'm not a big chan of ice House either.

Speaker 2 (01:39:36):
I'm sorry, right, but then you're a big fan of
really crap music.

Speaker 10 (01:39:39):
We have to say so. I think we discover.

Speaker 3 (01:39:41):
Anyway, just enjoy, just enjoy, and for all of the
grief that the Aussies give us, and it's a lot,
they have given us some excellent chunes. So well done Australasia,
because some of them are actually ours as well, aren't
they anyway, See you tomorrow, never Chazz, you were.

Speaker 10 (01:40:03):
Staring, I was.

Speaker 25 (01:40:13):
And O

Speaker 1 (01:40:28):
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