Full Show Podcast: 28 May 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Digging through the spin spins to find the real story Egory.
It's Heather Duplicy, Elm Drive with one New Zealand. Let's
get connected News Talks V.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today, we're
going to talk to Westpax chief economists about the ocr cut.
The headdresser rules are finally going to change. It's happening
in a month's time. We're going to get reaction to that.
And Sparkany and New Zealand have teamed up to let
the drones do the stock taking. It's a very cool idea.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
I'll talk you through that, Heather Duplicy, Ellen.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Look, I don't really want to have to start on
a bum note. But if there is a thing that
we do on the show, it's honesty. So let's be
honest about it. What the Reserve Bank decision told you
today is how much trouble our economy is. And if
you're in business, you already know this. You don't need
me to tell you this. I was talking to a
couple of CEOs yesterday. They were telling me cannot see
the green shoots. Cannot see the green shoots. We've been waiting,

(00:57):
we were told survived to twenty five were halfway through.
Who we're still stuffed. We'll let me tell you what
we got today. We got a twenty five basis point cut.
We needed fifty because that ocr is still too high.
It's now sitting at three point two five percent. It's
probably actively still dampening our economic growth because I think
the consensus is that three is neutral and we're not

(01:17):
there yet. But they could not give us a bigger
cut today. And even they must realize how much damage
they are doing, because they themselves have admitted that the
economy is even more stuffed than they thought it was
as recently as February. When they last met. Back in February,
they predicted that in the first quarter of this year
we would have seen growth of zero point six percent.
They have revised that down to zero point four. This

(01:40):
quarter that we're in right now. They forecast that we
would be growing at zero point six percent. They just
hal that to zero point three. Next quarter they thought
would be zero point five. They've taken that down to
zero point two. That's not good. That's bad. And why
couldn't they give us a bigger cut to help us along,
because they might set off inflation again. If they do.
We just saw a rise in inflation the other day,

(02:02):
and there is potential for it to keep on creeping up.
We've got dairy prices going up, We've got electricity prices
going up, We've got rates going up, on and on
and on and on. The budget that we just had
last week is not super deflationary, is it? And their
job at the Reserve Bank, remember, is not to help
the economy grow. That is not their job. Their job
is to contain inflation. And it's kind of borderline and

(02:23):
they can't take any chances there. Could we have a
touch of the old stagflation back, no growth? Prices going
up feels a bit like that's a risk at the moment,
isn't it now? I hope not, But hope is not
a strategy. And yet what else have we got left
when even the Reserve Bank can't get out of the
economy's way together?

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Do for sea Alan nine.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Two ninety two is the text number standard text fee supplier.
I want to hear what's going on out there's to
hit me with it. Now you've bought yourself a new house.
Where'd you get that money? But you did it anyway,
It's a new build. You've waited ages for it to
be finished. Now it's done, it's ready for you to
move in. But unfortunately it's not actually a finished is it.
Because chances are, in a matter of days after moving in,
you're going to find out that some of the lights

(03:03):
don't work, or pipes in the wrong place, where there's
been some sort of an issue with the paint job.
According to new data from the Building Research Association, eighty
six percent of new homeowners have to call a trade
back in to fix something shortly after they move in. Now,
Greg Wallace is master Plumber CEO, and he's with me. Now,
hey Greg, afternoon, Heather. Eighty six percent seems like a loss,

(03:24):
doesn't it.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
Yeah, look it is. But I think we've got to
look at some of the granular detail under that and
what's actually causing that. I noticed the brand's report doesn't
really give us the details what those callbacks are. I
think the other point is when you're spending more than
a million dollars on a house and it is quite complex.
Now there's design aspects that it's changed, This technology that's

(03:46):
coming through that is complex, and some of that needs
to be refined or commissioned as we go through that
build process.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
What are you talking about what's complex?

Speaker 4 (03:56):
Well, look, we've got heat pump technology, we've got radiators,
we've got bid as, we've got central heating systems.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Are you saying that it's a bit hard for the
people to figure out themy have to come back and
do it again.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
Well, there's some education to be done with consumers about
how to operate some more complex design systems that we've got.
Now we also see that our homeowners are trying to
move into their new property as soon as possible, and.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Something means stop it. You're making excuses. Stop it. You
are making excuses, and you know it. Who were the most?
What trade was the one called back the most?

Speaker 4 (04:30):
The painters were.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
There's nothing technological about this, it's simply painting. Why didn't
they do it properly the first time?

Speaker 4 (04:37):
Well, I think most of the time the painting is
normally cause. Any defects has caused from the actual property
owners moving in, and there's some defense that happen. The
defects also happened when there's insulation of other products. But
I mean the reality is you take the plumbing set
to heather right, twelve percent of the thirty percent is

(04:59):
actually product issues. Right, So we've got a very deregulated plumbing,
product infrastructure.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
I'm getting sody with it, Greg, Are you ready for
it again? We going okay, So I didn't want to
have to bring this up, but you're bringing the bazookas,
so I've got to bring the nuclear weapon. Okay. So
what happened is I've had a pool installed out the
back came and they put the pool in, and then
they built the deck around it. And as you would
imagine with the deck, you've got to have the glass installed.
You got to have the deck put up, you've got

(05:28):
to have the balustrade, you got to have the paint job.
They all finished it all finished on our Friday last week.
I spent the weekend going around. I found nineteen snags.
They have to come back and fix those nineteen. No
disrespect to the boys, I love them, but they've got
to come back. In fact it those snags include Greg.
They include painting the balustrade white and dripping all over

(05:51):
the gray steps, every single gray step. It would appear
on three different flights of steps, drips everywhere. That is
not a technological problem. They did not paint the under
underside of the railings, probably at all, Like it's half
painted and then it's not done finished. Right, They got
paint on the spar pool. They have to paint all
over the concrete. They didn't even attach one of the

(06:13):
posts to the railing, which meant that the glass gate
was hanging. Now, you can't tell me that this is
just because there's technological problems or inability to understand what's
going on here. This is just like mistakes, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
Well, look, I can probably honey comment on the plumbing
vermin and gets Finny industry right to be fair to.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
To be fair to you. This is not your people.
But what I'm trying to say is, come on man
like with love and respect. Don't make don't make excuses
when you know full well we're getting them back. Just
to put a blinking nail into something, isn't it. It's
not a heat pump, it's just a nail they forgot.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
But yeah, look what I'm saying is like what we've
got to make sure we do a bit of job.
I'm completely in agreement with you. We want to get
it right. We've got to remember. Also, I don't think
anyone wants a callback as a tradesman, because that's a
cost to their business. Business right, they're normally on a
fixed rate to build that house. All this time. We

(07:11):
need the granular detail of what these issues are so
we can go back to the industry and try and rectify.
There is no benefit for a tradesman to go back
and have no charge to the consumer to have to
rectify a problem. But brands need to provide the details
about what are those issues, Corey, and so then we
can address them. I agree, no one wants callbacks, but

(07:34):
we've got to be reality. Some of this is product
failure as well.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Hey, can I ask you a question, Greg, This has
been bugging me for ages. What is up with trades
That trade's will say to you, Oh, look it's a
three day job and then it turns into a four
month job. What's going on with you guys? Why can't
you estimate this stuff properly? It's like every single trade
he does this.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
Well, look, I don't know about your job, but look
you can what we're seeing jobs whole life as we're
seeing design changes happen after the construction starts, and that
changes perspective quite significantly. And I think that's underestimated when
design or other aspects are added to the job, which

(08:17):
takes a job from two to three days to two
to three weeks, and there's a lack of understanding of
how that actually controls the outcomes.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Yeah, okay, Greg, listen, thank you so much for having
a chat to me. I appreciated. It's Greg Wallace. Oh lord,
I don't even I don't even want to tell you
all about this because the boys still have to come
back and fix it, and they are such nice men.
I really don't want them to feel bad about themselves.
So maybe we'll park that story about the paint all
over the steps for another day and we can talk
about it liberally. But can I ask you this question please?

(08:46):
If you are a tradee like this genuinely puzzles me. Okay,
So the boys came out and they looked at what
was required when they were going to build the deck, right,
and they said, oh, two and a half week job,
two and a half weeks. And I sniggered and said
to my friends, oh yeah, at two and a half weeks,
it'll be four right, nine weeks? How do you get guys,

(09:09):
what is happening to you? It's not your first building job,
is it? It's not the first time you've turned up
and said to someone and then you got it wrong.
Why do you guys always get it wrong? Why do
you always get it wrong? But how often do you
get it wrong? By like that much? Two and a
half weeks has become nine? That's wild? But why why
is it that every single time a builder says X

(09:32):
amount of time, it's always more? Why do you need
a woman to come run your business? Let me know please?
Nine to nine two sixteen past four.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
It's the Heather Duper see Alan Drive Full Show.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
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Speaker 2 (09:49):
Ah Heather because tradees normally quote for one hundred and
eighty percent of their workload, and they have multiple jobs
on the hustle to ensure that they have enough work
and then flows into move No, no, no, they and
then they don't end up doing an eight hour day
on site. No, they did eight hour days. They did
eight hour days. They were doing eight hour days. It
still went from three weeks to nine weeks. And I
don't understand anyway. Darcy Waldgrave at twenty past fours with

(10:10):
me right now, Hey, dars.

Speaker 5 (10:12):
So are you referencing chippies.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
You have just that's a dad joke, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (10:18):
Well we talked yesterday about whether you can call the
right Honorable Leader of the Opposition.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Chippy and now I'm talking about chippy.

Speaker 5 (10:26):
And now you're talking about chippy. I couldn't help myself.
I'm a dad goes from you. So he ups. Can
you call him chippy or is he his royal chipness?

Speaker 2 (10:34):
No, he can be chippy.

Speaker 5 (10:35):
He can be chippy.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
That's good.

Speaker 5 (10:36):
People are spoken chippy, it is, he said to me.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
It's fine. So my personal relationship with Chippy.

Speaker 5 (10:42):
So a national relationship, I'm going to roll that one out.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Hey, State of Origin tonight. Yeah, here we go again.

Speaker 5 (10:49):
Every time I said it, so they say, they say
five past ten, they say yeah, normally it dribbles a
little about quarter past twenty past, but that's okay. Every
I'm like Origin, Yeah, it's not as soon as it
starts to go.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Oh my lord.

Speaker 5 (11:05):
In the last few years has been astonishing, rug.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Who are you rooting for Queensland?

Speaker 6 (11:10):
Are you?

Speaker 5 (11:10):
I lived there for it was only about four or
five months, but when I was there, I watched Origin
with Queenslanders in pubs drinking schooners. So I feel like
I'm a Queenslander now, yeah, you know, I've been there,
done that, held by the hat. They are horrible, but
I'll be supporting the well you think that maybe that

(11:31):
New South Wales might have when it comes to this.
It's at sun Court, they're playing at home and they're
really hard team to beat at home. But honestly, I
don't care about the result. I only got enough skin
in the game either way. If Steve listened to this,
I'm really sorry Steve. Please take my calls. But I
just want to see good football and that's what you get.
It's an amazing, amazing experience when it comes to rugby league.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
So I'm all over it, like hey, really quickly, what's
going on with the under twenty rugby team.

Speaker 5 (11:57):
Milton Hay did really, really well. He was the head coach.
They won the Rugby Championship with the under twenties. That's Australia,
the Argentina there and they're looking down the barrel of
the World Champs coming up and Italy soon. And I mean,
you know what, my coaching philosophy with the other coaches
is not aligned.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
I'm leaving.

Speaker 5 (12:15):
So if coaching philosophy isn't in alignment with the other coaches.
Imagine if it was.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
But what does that actually mean?

Speaker 5 (12:24):
Well, I don't know that. I want to spend more
time with my family. You just whatever you want to
put Does that.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Mean that you're a renterer and a raver and the
others don't like it all? Like, is it that kind
of a style thing?

Speaker 5 (12:34):
Possibly possibly doesn't align. Yeah, I like to poke my
players in the eye and my other coaching staff don't.
Don't all what's the Yeah, what's the what's our philosophy?
Do we still work together even though we have very
different philosophies?

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Who you and I?

Speaker 7 (12:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yeah, but that's because you have your own show.

Speaker 5 (12:53):
Yeah that's cool. But no, that's it. We're not like
it's not like we're both doing this show now.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
What is important is that the philosophy between myself and
the German are aligned.

Speaker 5 (13:01):
For example, yes, you know right, and last time I checked,
she was in New Zealander.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Shut up, I go off, here goes He'll be back
at seven. Darcy Watergrave Sports Talk four twenty.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Two getting the facts Discarding the fluff. It's Heather Duplicy
Ellen Drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected news
talks'd be heather.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Everyone gets wrong estimating time or cost of a job
because they take the most optimistic view in order to
get the job. Look at Rhodess et cetera. Look that's
probably fair, isn't it. But here's the thing. If you're
taking an optimistic view, I can understand if two and
a half weeks becomes four or five, but when it
becomes nine, like, that's so, that's so out that it
just something else happened there. Hither it's because builders are

(13:46):
not project managers. It's why builders lose money and go
out of business. Hither, I had a dec rebuild done recently.
The quote was sixty k. It dragged on for four
months after a five week triumphrame was given. I couldn't
stand looking at them after five weeks and thinking of
all the money it was costing. The extra cost never communicated.
It ended up being one hundred thousand dollars up from
sixty sixties a lot as well. Hither, I've been running

(14:06):
my own residential building company for twenty years. I use
a quantity survey at a price projects and even their
measures are way off a lot of my time has
taken up sorting the detailing that hasn't been done correctly
by the architects and not picked up by the council
consenting process and so on. So maybe in the end, maybe,
in the end, what it comes down to is basically,
it's just hard to estimate, and you're going to go

(14:26):
You're gonna be optimistic, and then you know you're gonna
end up getting it wrong, aren't you. Anyway, whatever, it's
not my business, so it's theirs. Now we had the
ocr decision today. Christian Hawksby gave his big, first big
one from him. He was asked about Adrian or just
heading off very very suddenly the night before the big
Reserve Bank conference that was attended by a former chure

(14:47):
of the FED and stuff like that.

Speaker 8 (14:49):
You're going back a long way now, a couple of
months ago. I think my understanding is that it was
announced when Adrian decided to resign. It was announced, and
that turned out to be the night before our conference.

Speaker 7 (15:03):
It would appear it was a hurried decision. I just
wonder if you could provide any more insight into into
what happened.

Speaker 8 (15:09):
You'd have to ask Adrian about his decisions.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
Oh, come offered Christian. He remembers, he just doesn't. Well,
there's no way you can forget why Adrian. Isn't it
amazing how everybody's just forgotten why Adrian all left? Why
packed us Tandy and set off into the sunset? I
suspect we're never actually gonna find out? Are we headlines next?

Speaker 1 (15:38):
Putting the challenging questions to the people at the heart
of the story. It's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one
New Zealand. Let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
That'd be you hear you.

Speaker 9 (15:49):
Were my head when I'm dreaming.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
You're trying to dream?

Speaker 2 (16:01):
How come the deck has never finished sooner and cheaper
than expected, only ever longer and more expensive. It's not
just a matter of simple mistakes and estimates. Well, Phil,
I think we answered that question earlier, didn't we. It's
got a lot to do with trying to kind of
win the quote, isn't it now? Jason Wills is going
to be with us on politics in about ten minutes time,
and we'll go to America very shortly and find out
what's going on with Donald Trump and Canada again. But

(16:23):
back here in New Zealand. The hairdresser rules are going
to change now. I guess this has already been announced,
probably a couple of times before. But what's happened this
time is that we now have the final list of
the things are going to change, as recommended by the
Ministry for Regulation, and all of them have been accepted
by Cabinet, which means that it will all come into
force from July. So this will affect the rules. I mean,

(16:45):
can you believe we had rules about the stuff? The
rules on how far apart the seats have to be
in salons, the rules about how bright the lights have
to be, The rules about not offering customers coffee or
tea while they're having the haircut, but possibly okay while
they're having their hair colored, The rules about whether dogs
are allowed in salons, and so on and so forth. Anyway,

(17:05):
from July, when the rules all scrapped, it's up to
the owners of the hair salons to decide what to do.
Isn't that lovely and refreshing. We'll talk to a hairdresser
about that. Quarter past five right now, it's twenty three
away from five.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
It's the world wires on news. Dogs they'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
The King has personally opened the first session of the
forty fifth Parliament of Canada. He delivered the speech from
the Throne to the Canadian Senate and the House of Commons,
and as usual, the speech was written for the King
by the Canadian government, and commentators think this particular line
is intended for Donald Trump.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
As the ansome remains us. The true North is indeed
strong and free.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Over in Australia, the coalition has got back together. The
Liberal and National parties assigned a new partnership deal. Here's
National MP Michael McCormick.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
We didn't need to.

Speaker 10 (17:52):
I felt break away from the Liberal Party. It looked
messy and from the public's point of view, the masters
has been scratching their heads and fine.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
A two ton elephant seal has taken a stroll through
the streets of the town of Gordon's Bay in South Africa.
Police try to apprehend the seal by forming a ring
of patrol cars around it, but the nteloper was able
to half climb over one of the cars and continue
on its merry way. Submarine wildlife specialists and a vet
were able to sedate the seal after it's stopped near
a shopping mall, and it's now being returned to the.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Ocean International Correspondence with ends and eye insurance peace of
mind for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
Jonathan Kursley as our US correspondents that I had Jonathan,
Are you there, Jonathan, Jonathan, are you there? I think
Jonathan's not paying attention because I can hear him opening
his mouth. I don't know if you can hear it. Anyway,
we'll see if we can get Jonathan up on the line.

(18:51):
On Chris Hopkins, I'm still getting text about the Chippy business,
and I think you need to calm down. I'm going
to tell you this, and what it is is, Ah,
you're too friendly with Chippy. Will you we go let's
set the record straight or be unfriendly about him for
a tech okay, a tick. So I don't know if
you're aware of this, but one of the charges that
is laid against Chris Hopkins regularly is that he's a hypocrite.

(19:12):
And in fact, it is so legendary now his hypocrisy
that it actually has a name, which is hipocrisy. So
here's another one you can put in your file on
that one, just in case you think I'm too matey
with him. Chris Hopkins has had a crack over the
Minister of the South Island role, which is occupied by
James Meager of the National Party. He says, there is
no need for the Minister of the South Island role.

(19:32):
It is just a PR job. Now Chippy is correct
on this. It is just a PR job because there
is no ministry. There is no budget attached to it.
So you can't, oh, James me, you can't actually do
anything as the Minister for the South Island. It's just
for public relations. But we can say it. Chippy can't
say it because Chippy was the man who brought back
the Minister for Auckland was an e in twenty twenty three,

(19:54):
which is also no budget, no ministry, just a PR job.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Let's try this again, Jonathan are you there?

Speaker 11 (20:12):
How the hello and to hallo everybody across Eakland and
New Zealand.

Speaker 5 (20:17):
How brilliant it is to be able to talk to you.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
It's good to have you with us, mate. Now listen.
Was the speech from King Charles intended to wind Donald
Trump up.

Speaker 12 (20:29):
Look.

Speaker 11 (20:29):
I think Canada certainly wanted to make a point and
I think what you've got to look at with this
speech is it's quite similar to what King Charles would
deliver at the opening of the British Parliament, written by
the government for the government. But there is very clearly
an approval from Buckingham Palace that comes out of this.
There is very clearly a long chain of process that
goes through to tick this off.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
But it was pointed, and it.

Speaker 11 (20:50):
Was pointed in a way that was subtle, but subtle
enough that you're not going to anger Donald Trump to
a certain extent. It wasn't ever going to mention him
by name, and didn't.

Speaker 12 (21:01):
It didn't talk about the fifty first State, but it
alluded to Canadian sovereignty. It alluded to all of the
issues that Markkarni fought on during his election campaign. It
alluded to everything that essentially got him over the line,
which was fighting back about Canadian national interests. What we
heard King Charles say in part in English and in

(21:21):
part in French, which was also very very interesting to
note that the King spoke pretty fluent French as far
as I could tell. I'm not a French native speaker,
so for any French native speakers out their apologies However,
it did appear that the King was well across his
French dialect and his French tones. But what the King
did say is that Canada faces a critical moment, that democracy, pluralism,

(21:44):
the rule of law, self determination, values which Canadians hold dear,
ones which the government is determined to predict. Says that
this was a dangerous time, said that Canadians must be
clear eyed that the world is in a more dangerous
and unser in place than any point since the Second
World War, and that Canada is facing challenges that are

(22:05):
unprecedented in our lifetimes. So this was very clearly a
speech designed to appeal to the Canadian domestic audience, one
that came from their sovereign, from King Charles, but also
one that came with a pointed message to those south
of the border, and that being the American President Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Why are they taking this so seriously? I mean, he
clearly doesn't actually mean it.

Speaker 11 (22:34):
No, And this is half of the thing you have
to look at with Donald Trump. When he talks about
Canada being America's fifty first state, or he talks about
taking Greenland, or he talks about taking the Panama Canal,
you do have to question is he actually being serious
about any of this? Is he being fully transparent with
the American public, with the Canadian public, with the Greenland public,

(22:55):
with all of those that he could potentially take these
countries by foresaw will, And that's one of those things
that you do have to look at. I mean, he
did threaten this afternoon essentially saying that if Canada wants
to be part of America's so called Golden Dome system
similar to what he's said could be Israel's Iron Dome,

(23:16):
then if Canada joins the American Union that being the
fifty first state, they'll play zero dollars to be part
of it. If they want to be not part of
it and still pay, they'll pay sixty.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
One billion dollars.

Speaker 11 (23:30):
Now, the question is, clearly Donald Trump is trying to
make this about money. He's trying to continue to raise
this idea he could force Canada to become America's fifty
first state. Is it a realistic prospect?

Speaker 12 (23:41):
No, it's not.

Speaker 11 (23:42):
Neither is Greenland becoming part of America. Neither is the
Panama Canal being entirely brought back into America.

Speaker 5 (23:49):
What Donald Trump is doing, he's appealing.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
To this base. Is his motivation not to just get
them to help pay for the Golden Dome.

Speaker 11 (23:57):
Part of that may well be yes, But also the
thing is is if the Golden Dome, and you've got
to remember how this would likely operate, is that he's
going to be some missiles potentially launched from the ground,
some potentially.

Speaker 12 (24:11):
Launched from space.

Speaker 11 (24:12):
It's very hypothetical. And take into the idea that Israel
is far smaller than the United States of America. If
you're talking about trying to protect the United States of
America from missiles right across the board, the United States
of America and I'm sorry to do this to New Zealanders,
but it is the same size as Australia. So you

(24:33):
are talking about covering the entire Canadian border, the entire
Mexican border, everything around the Gulf of Mexico, or as
Donald Trump sees that, the Gulf of America. It is
a vast area of land that he is going to
cost a vast amount of money. And yes, he is
all about financial transactions, and he is trying to talk

(24:54):
to the Canadians and say.

Speaker 5 (24:56):
Pay up or else.

Speaker 11 (24:57):
But the reality is this isn't going to happen too.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Right, Jonathan listen, always good to talk to you. I
really appreciate your time, mate. That's Jonathan Kursley, US correspondent.
Trump is not joking hither. It's amazing you don't take
his threat seriously. Oh, come off that. How do you
think he's going to go and get Canada for himself?
Get real OCR today. Interesting thing about this is, of course,
it's not a decision that's taken unilaterally by the Reserve

(25:22):
Bank governor. It's a monetary policy committee that decides together,
shall we put it up, should we keep it the same,
should we cut it down? Whatever. For the first time
it appears in a long time. It's only the second
time actually ever that the NBC the Monetary Policy Committee
has gone to a vote, but it has gone to
a vote this time. Five of them voted to cut
the OCR box twenty five basis points. One of them

(25:45):
voted to keep it where it was.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
Quarter two Politics with Centric Credit, check your customers and
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Speaker 2 (25:52):
Jason Wall's political editors with us right now, Hey, Jason,
good afternoon, Manna live Tory doesn't learn.

Speaker 5 (25:58):
Does she?

Speaker 13 (25:59):
Well, yeah, there was a Tory versus Tory today. Of course,
that's Torrifino, Wellington's mayor. And the other Tory I'm talking
about is Christopher Luxen, the NAT and obviously you know
in the UK they call them the Tories. It all
started earlier this morning when the PM was an A
and Z post budget breakfast and he was asked about
what he, as Prime Minister could do to keep political

(26:20):
parties out of local councils. And here's what he said.

Speaker 14 (26:24):
But man, I think you need a little bit less
political party and a little less ideology and a little
bit more common sense actually in solving some problems and
getting the show on the road and so but ultimately
also the good people Wellington have to vote, and when
you look at voter turnout and local body elections running
at thirty five percent, sometimes.

Speaker 15 (26:42):
You get what you deserve.

Speaker 14 (26:44):
Just putting it too because I can't solve all your problems,
you know, so you can solve some of your own problems.

Speaker 13 (26:48):
And I was there and the first thing that I thought,
between my bikes of bacon and eggs.

Speaker 15 (26:53):
Was is he wrong? I don't think he is.

Speaker 13 (26:56):
I think he makes some kind of fair points. But
that wasn't the end of it. He went on all
meat Nick Mills's show on zb Wellington Mornings down here
in the Capitol and kind of continue to put the
boot in.

Speaker 14 (27:06):
Yeah, you've got way too much ideology and party politics
in your local government. I think you need to focus
on actually common sense solutions to problems that people are
experiencing in the region, take responsibility for it and sort
it out for people.

Speaker 13 (27:18):
So Torri was not happy with either of these comments,
and she wrote into our newsroom down here instead, these
comments by the Prime Minister are once again a blatant
punching down on Wellington where groundbreaking transformational projects are trying
to get through it without giggling. We're transformational projects are underway.
Just last week we successfully passed our long term plan

(27:41):
for twenty two or twenty four to twenty and thirty
four and progressed our water reforms. Here's where it gets spicy.
Perhaps he should look at his own policy choices, like
the recent decision to slash pay for women on low
incomes and the disastrous school lunch program. We need solutions
and collaborations from the Prime minister rhetoric design to distract

(28:01):
from his own failings. We're doing just fine in Wellington
and the Prime Minister should focus on his chaotic coalition instead.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Okay, now are you telling me that Tory unprompted contacted
the newsroom to say this?

Speaker 15 (28:16):
That's what I that's the story that was went up
on the Herald.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Seriously, she wrote into that. She was like, I know,
I've got to have a say on this. Let me
have it, Let me sledge the Prime Minister by writing
an email to the Herald? Does that what happened?

Speaker 13 (28:28):
And obviously she sent it to other people as well,
because yeah, one news is reporting the same comments, so
she's not pleased, not please.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Geez, she does not help herself. Hey, so did the
Prime Minister and the Finance Minister take credit for the
ocr cut? Did they?

Speaker 13 (28:43):
Yes, to the surprise of no one, they were pretty
keen to put a kind of put their stamp all
over it. Have a listen to what Christopher Luxan told
us about an hour and a half ago.

Speaker 14 (28:53):
Our work on spending as directly contributing to lowering inflation,
which then is obviously the precursor to loring interest rates
given the economy growing and moving again.

Speaker 13 (29:02):
So he's not exactly being subtle about but you know,
it's not all the government.

Speaker 15 (29:06):
I mean, you do have to give them props.

Speaker 13 (29:07):
They have brought down spending, and of course that has
had an impact on inflation. But the fact that oil
prices have fallen as well is also a contributing factor
behind the fact that we've seen lower inflation, which has
led to a lower ocr The Finance minister. This Nikola
Willis did in part acknowledge that.

Speaker 16 (29:24):
There's always a range of factors, but the reverse is
also true. We'd got the money bazooka out and sprayed
it all around, you can beat inflation would have been high.

Speaker 13 (29:32):
Yeah, And so in a parallel world, it would have
been interesting to see what it would have been like
if Leber had kept going in terms of what the
inflation rates would have been. But there is always an
elephant in the room when it comes to inflation. And
this was Nikola Willis's message to some of the councils
across the country which are putting up rates to double digits.

Speaker 16 (29:51):
But look, my message to councils is always the same
as the prime ministers, which is rate payers can't handle
massive rate increases, so cut your cloth, manage your expenses.

Speaker 15 (30:01):
Keith Lee and I wonder who she is referring to there.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Hey, very quickly, have you got that Tory email in
front of you again? Ah? Yes, just have a look.
Did she say that women's wages have been slashed?

Speaker 13 (30:11):
She said, perhaps he should look at his own policy choices,
like the recent decision to slash pay for women on
low incomes.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Okay, yeah, actually in correct though, way well listen, just
getting some tests.

Speaker 13 (30:24):
Along those lines.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
It's just worth pointing out Tory doesn't have a grasp
on the facts. All right, Thank you for that, Jason,
appreciate it. Jason Wall's political editor. Thanks for the texts.
By the way, seven away from five.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Putting the tough questions to the newspakers, the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 17 (30:38):
If there has been a bright spot in our economy,
it's come from the land of course. Neary's booming, the
seasons wrapping up literally as we speak with the record process.
The big question is is there more where that came from?
Todd mclays of course, the Minister of Agriculture and Trade,
and as well as.

Speaker 18 (30:51):
We're going to make sure the regulations in New Zealand
not just piling costs. There were twenty one extra rules
and regulations put on farmers over the six years of
labor which just pile cost on them and made the
most competitive. We've been taking those away, fitting them and
just don't add costs of the farm gate so that
the farmers can be going better and faster, producing more
than the world wants. So we're going to remain competitive
both in New Zealand but open up those doors overseas.

Speaker 17 (31:13):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
a Vida News talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Here that we run a small to medium sized business
across tourism, commercial buildings, key we fruit. The economy is stagnant.
Tourism has crashed for April May June disastrously. The bank's
ASB brackets are still sticking international rates to US at
eight point seven percent floating. There is no growth and
the commercial buildings and those businesses are stagnant. This quarter
is the worst that we've seen. There is no improvement

(31:40):
on the horizon. Maybe spring with tourism, maybe if the
snow comes for Otago the south. The government can see
the disaster that the economy is. Everyone is talking it up.
The new depreciation from the budget is just gas lighting business.
That's remarked now. Mark is by far and away. The
most negative like that is out the gate negative about
the economy, but it is only only slightly. It's like

(32:04):
marginally more negative than what you're hearing if you talk
to the big businesses right that it is bad out there.
And I know we're talking about green shoots, green shoots,
green shoots. Go and find somebody who can tell me
where the green shoots are and how consistent green shoots.
Struggling to find them. Anyway, We'll talk to Kellia Cold
when he's with us shortly. Sounds like we're not the
only ones wanting the goss on Adrian quitting. Here's the

(32:27):
fill in Christian hawksby you're.

Speaker 8 (32:29):
Going back a long way now a couple of months ago.
I think I'm not aware of all of the I
can't keep track of everything that's in the public domain.
I know that we are still there's a number of
official information requests that are still that are with us.
There have been I don't know the exact number on

(32:50):
how to scale it, but many, very many. Keeping our
teams busy. We need to follow a process and consult
and you know, we're through things to provide accurate information,
so there will be more information coming out in future.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Very many requests, many, very many. We can solve this.
Just tell us what happened and all of those requests
will go away. Oh see our.

Speaker 6 (33:15):
Next questions, answers, facts, analysis, the drive show you trust
for the full picture.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
Heather Duplessy on Drive.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
With One New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 19 (33:35):
There'd be.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Afternoon. The Reserve Bank has cut the official cash rate
by twenty five bases points to three point twenty five percent.
Inflation still worries them. They're tapping it to rise further
before the end of this year, but the economy is
clearly stuffed and will be for a while. Cali Echoled
is Westpax chief economist, Hi Kelly hilt I'm well, thank you.
Why did they cut off their expecting inflation to still

(33:57):
go up.

Speaker 20 (33:59):
Well, I think they're anticipating that inflation is going to
come back again after we get past this near term
bump towards the end of the year. They think that
the unemployment rates still above NAYRU, so that's going to
be putting some downward pressure on wage growth. They think
we've got a bit of excess capacity in the economy
that should bring inflation to heal over time.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Should they have looked through it, then they.

Speaker 20 (34:24):
Have looked through it, at least to some extent. They're
certainly not talking about putting interest rates up. But what
it is telling you, though, is that they're not so
sure about how much further they need to put interest
rates down, so that they're just slowing the pace of
easing a bit.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Do you think they've done the right thing, given how
stuff the economy isn't given the fact that they are
still a handbrake on the economy, should they have gone
for fifty I.

Speaker 20 (34:49):
Don't think so. I mean, firstly, we have to remember
that their mandate has been squarely just put on the
inflation outlook, and the inflation lookers looking a little bit uncomfortable.
Particularly for the balance of this year. You're basically looking
at seeing headline inflashing closer to three percent and two percent.

(35:10):
I'm not so sure that the Reserve Bank is really
a handbreak on the economy right now either. Interest rates
have fallen a long way, and you can see some
evidence of that occurring through many indicators that are out there.
We're not certainly booming by any stretch of the imagination.
It does take a while where do you think neutral
is then, Oh, I've been arguing that it's probably close

(35:32):
to three point seventy five percent, and we've just sort
of like dipped through that level now in the last
couple of meetings.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Okay, hey, what do you make of the fact that
they weren't unanimous?

Speaker 20 (35:43):
Well, clearly there is some dissension in the ranks. I
had expected that we would see signs of increased debate
in terms of how the outlook would go, but I
didn't think they'd be very much debate about needing to
cut rates. Now, the fact that somebody's had to put
their hand up and say, actually, I just think we
should wait here tells you that, you know, there was

(36:05):
a bit more of a wineball call than we were
all expecting.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Now, tell me, what, how would you describe the economy right,
because they've cut their growth forecast even from the last
time when they met in February. What do you would
you would you say the economy is stuffed or what
would you say?

Speaker 20 (36:19):
Well, no, I would say the economy is slowly recovering.
The Reserve banks revised growth forecasts are more negative in
our own. That's one of the reasons why they've still
projecting a need for one more cut and possibly another
one the course of the rest of this year. It
remains to be seen, though, whether the economy is really

(36:40):
going to be as weak as that. I think they're
really kind of pricing in the possibility that business might
just take a bit of a step back with the
global situation looking a bit more uncertain.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
I'm liking your optimism, Kelly. Thank you for that, Kelli,
your cold chief economist, Whispacgel. Finally, the rules for hairdressers
are going to change. The government has accepted all of
the rule change recommendations from the new Ministry for Regulation.
That includes rules about how far apart the seats can be,
how bright the lights can be, whether you can serve refreshments,
whether you can let the dogs come into the hair dresses.

(37:11):
Haley Ashton is the owner of Ashton and Gray Hair Design.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
Haley.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Hello, Hi here, how's it going good? Thank you? Are
you loving this?

Speaker 3 (37:19):
Oh?

Speaker 21 (37:20):
It's quite interesting. It's actually a bit of an interesting read.
And I've just finished watching the updated video on David Seymour. Yeah,
I don't know how it's going to go.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
What do you mean, what isn't it? Just aren't we
all just gonna love it and do what we want
to do.

Speaker 21 (37:35):
Yeah, I suppose so, But I guess, like from a
hairdresser's point of view, it's great. Like there are lots
of silly, silly little rules with regulations in the salon,
Like I think, I'll just give you one of my
favorite ones, which is how many basins we need to have?
So in my small hairdressing salon, I have six chairs,
and I need to have a basin for washing hair.

(37:55):
Well two of them. A basin to wash your hands,
and in the toilet that's fine, a basin to wash
all of our color bowls out the backwards. Okay, another
basin if we want to wash all the dishes, all right,
and then another hair basin to wash our hands. Because
we have six chairs in the cell.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Why what does the six chairs mean you have to
wash your hands? Is it six chairs equals another basin?

Speaker 21 (38:16):
Well, it's ten chairs. Then I'd need to put another
basin in.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
So that's nutty. Why aren't you loving these rules, chat
but just being scrapped? I mean that's lunacy, isn't it.

Speaker 22 (38:26):
Oh?

Speaker 21 (38:26):
Yeah, no, things like that, But I guess, like I
think one of them is the dogs, like we.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
You don't have to say yes to it, Haley. You
can be like, this is a no no dog hairdresser.

Speaker 21 (38:38):
Exactly, which is really cool. I mean, I've got clients
and I know are quite afraid of dogs. We actually
have had someone bring their dog in, sit on their
lap and then vomit all over our floor.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Right, But are you are you worried you're going to
feel pressure to let the dogs in.

Speaker 21 (38:51):
Yeah, I think there might be a little bit of
that that we know.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
How No, Haley, you just say, look, just say some
of your clients are scared of dogs, and we'll just
just say you're gettingressure from us to not do it. Yeah, yeah, totally.

Speaker 21 (39:04):
And there are ways around it which we're not too
worried about.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Are you going to change Are you going to change
how far apart the seats are?

Speaker 23 (39:10):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 21 (39:12):
It's so silly, like it is the whole thing and
how they measure it is from the center of the
chair to the next center of the chair. I'm like,
oh my goodness, and your chairs can be as big
or small as you want. I'm like, it's so silly. Yeah,
it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Okay, So tea and coffee is on always has been.

Speaker 21 (39:32):
So a little thing there with the breaking. Just to
clarify it, I'm know naughty. Just to clarify it is,
if you are serving tan coffee, which has been fine
since nineteen eighty, you either need to have a separate dishwasher,
which I do. I have a mini dish washer hair
in my cell on, or you need to serve it
in paper cups. So I have always served ten coffee
in real cups and it has gone into my real dishwasher.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Hailey, thank you very much. It sounds a lot less
complicated now. Hailey Ashton hairdresser and ash In Gray hair design.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
Heather do for Sea Allen.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Do we need to talk about the dogs? Do we
need to talk about the dogs? I think we're going
to talk about the dogs in a minute. Let's talk
about the dogs in the minute pencil then and we'll
do it in Just to take Heather, I'm in international religistics.
I've been waiting a year for the economy to turn.
It's getting worse out there. I've started redundancies. Heather, be
patient on the bounce back in the economy. Down in
the South Island, especially christ Church, things seem upbeat. This

(40:24):
an air of prosperity. Heither, we also run a small
tourism accommodation business in Taranaki. Our income last year was
half the year, no bookings till November. Feels very very
recessionary here, I can tell you here the green shoots
at the farm gate milk price and the beef and
lamb returns. Agri sector absolutely humming at the moment. I
think that is definitely a bright spot for the economy.

(40:44):
Banks have moved obviously, as you'd imagine, So yesterday this
is really the OCA. Yesterday, B and Z moved. This
morning A and Z moved, and then afterwards A and
Z after the OCR, A and Z also announced it
was cutting its floating a home loan, floating business and
savings rates and by about twenty basis points. So little
bit of alief come in your way quarter past. Now,

(41:05):
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(41:26):
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Speaker 19 (41:34):
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Speaker 2 (41:34):
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Speaker 3 (42:15):
Would Heather do for Clanshether?

Speaker 2 (42:17):
I would not go to any hairdresser that has dogs there, Heather,
where's Hayley Salon? I'm go going. I can't stand the dogs.
Tiata two is it peninsula or South Peninsula? Tap Tiata
two peninsula and we're going to get to the dogs,
don't you worry? Nineteen past five. Now it looks like
the old cinema business is tough. At the moment. New
Zealand's major cinema chains are posting dire results across the board.

(42:40):
Australian owned hosts profit was down eighty percent. Event Cinemas
made an even bigger loss than last year. Now. Roger
Wiley is the co owner of Capital Cinemas on Demnye
Road in Auckland with us. Now, Hey, Roger, Hey, how
are you well? Thank you? What's going wrong?

Speaker 22 (42:54):
What's coming wrong? Well, there was a thing called COVID,
and then there was a right shall strike and basically
things kind of haven't come back since then.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Still still Hollywood still not pumping out any good movies.

Speaker 22 (43:11):
No, not really.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Why not?

Speaker 3 (43:15):
Why not?

Speaker 22 (43:15):
Well, that's the ten million dollar question. Well, also audiences
aren't coming back either.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
That's the audiences aren't going to come back if there
aren't any good movies to see, are they Well.

Speaker 22 (43:28):
There is good movies to say, they're not coming back
like they were. So we're probably don forty on free
COVID with people coming through the door. So people are
coming through the door, but they're not actually they're buying
a ticket and they're not spending anything else apart from
that ticket, or they are coming to one off kind

(43:53):
of special events that type of things. So we've kind
of changed our model a little bit. We're doing more
kind of event screenings and things like that to try
and reinvigorate or his habits so that you know, we've
got some longevity in and because we really believe in
the industry and we just want it to work.

Speaker 5 (44:13):
So we've kept all our prices down.

Speaker 22 (44:15):
We've tried to absorb as much costs as possible because
you know, we believe that it should be accessible to everybody.
And we've got one of the cheapest tickets in town
fifteen dollars.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
And fifteen dollars for an adult.

Speaker 22 (44:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
I went to the movies. The other took the three
year old to the movies for the first time. I
paid nineteen bucks for myself, so fifteen sounds like a
good deal.

Speaker 22 (44:39):
Well, you know, two of you go out to one
of the big changes and you're looking at one hundred
bucks by the time you parked and brought your popcorn.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
Point.

Speaker 22 (44:47):
So we kind of believe that. We knew it was
never going to be a hugely profitable business, but we
wanted to make it accessible because you know, my other
two business partners, we have a love for that cinema
and it'd be such a shame to see cinemas like
that go from suburbs around New Zealand, which we all

(45:09):
kind of grew up with. You know, we've all got
those memories of Zappa's and the short films that used
to play before films, and yeah, the pre shows were
great fun.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Roger beast of luck with it. I really hope that
the audiences do come back. This Roger Wileye Capital Cinema
co owner, actually some interesting facts around what is going
wrong there. I'm going to run you through it before
the end of this hour. It's five twenty two.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
Checking the point of the story, it's hither duplicy Eland
drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and news talks.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
They'd be heather.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
We're a manufacturing company in Auckland. We are flat out
looking at employing staff and have bought a new plants
us a mixed bag out there economically, isn't it? Twenty
four past five? Now? Look, I think the Prime Minister's
actually nailed it when he says the solution to dealing
with this run it nonsense is just to take personal responsibility.
I think that's the only way. I mean, we can't
ban it, can we. I know people want to appeal
to a higher authority, come and fix the situation for

(46:01):
us so that no more young men die are necessarily
from running into each other and knocking their brains. But
let's be honest about it. A ban is not going
to fix anything. I mean, what are you actually going
to ban? Are you going to ban running at each other?
In which case, what do we do about rugby or
league or bull rush or football and all of those
games people run at each other? Are you going to

(46:22):
ban venues from hosting run at style events? I mean
that could work. You could effectively ban them. But all
that's going to happen is that the people who want
to do these things are going to take their events elsewhere,
and maybe they're going to take them to a backyard.

Speaker 13 (46:33):
And that is no.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Protection, is it. As we've learned in palmest North, are
we going to three threaten maybe legal action against someone
who organizes a run at style event, in which case,
won't they just simply change the name, will tweak the
rules a little bit so they can call it a
new game and says that's actually not run it, that's
something else. Altogether. Let's face it, you cannot legal action
your way out of something like this, right. People are always

(46:54):
going to find a way to do something risky if
they want to, and they do want to, especially young men.
They want to take risks. They've done it forever. They've
played wrestling games, they've jumped off high things into pools,
they've driven cars too fast. Now they run at each other.
You can't ban every single risk that's out. They're the
only thing that you can actually do here is to
take personal responsibility for yourself and talk to your young

(47:17):
people and hope that they listen.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
Heather do for see Allen.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Now, this is not the view that is shared by
a lawyer called Matt Goodwin, who is going to be
with us after the headlines. He's going to talk us
through well. I mean, I might be putting words in
his mouth, so let him. Let him speak for himself
about what we can do about this. Okay, Heather, a
dog was right beside me at the boat Shed cafe Queenstown.
It drooled and on me while I was eating my meal,
and the owner just said, be a good boy.

Speaker 15 (47:40):
It was awful.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
I love animals, but they're not humans or babies. Theres
a lot of owners think, Heather, no dogs caps so
Donald Trump texting me no dogs at the airdresser please,
et cetera, et cetera. So anyway, I read about four
or five days ago there was a piece in the
papers and the title was I don't like dogs and
the anti dog camp is bigger than you imagine. And

(48:02):
I was reading it and this is It's written by
Amanda Crop. And Amanda says, our problem is that the
New Zealand dog population is growing. It has now surpassed
eight hundred thousand, and with dogs increasingly treated like humans,
they are harder to avoid. They are welcomed into hospital
premises and shops and workplaces and on some public transport.
And it got me thinking, if you are a business
welcoming dogs in maybe Amanda's right. Maybe you don't realize

(48:25):
how many people don't like dogs. So you're while you're
opening yourself up to a new I guess group of
people who could come into your business, you're also shutting
the door to a bunch of others. And is it
that smart, Because, to be honest with you, I don't
really like dogs and I probably will avoid headlines.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Next, after making the news, the newsmakers talk to Heather.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
First.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
It's Heather due to clan drive with one New Zealand,
let's get connected and news dogs.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
They'd be.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Oh true, Heather, I'm learning what Dave says Heather. The
running game is not the issue. It's the over the
top regulations that stop children from learning hazards and helicopter parents,
et cetera. It does not allow children to climb, to fall,
to play physical games to learn their own limits as
to what is safe and what doesn't hurt. From Big Dave,
Big Dave is on the Money twenty four Away from

(49:23):
Sex oh, by the way, wait till you hear what
the older Yeah, you know how they came for you,
KII save it. Wait till you hear what the MPs
are doing to their own Now. As we just discussed
a little bit earlier, there are calls for bands after
the death of that Parmeston North boy in a private
run at style event. Police have said they're not going
to be launching a criminal investigation. Matthew Goodwin is a
criminal lawyer at Goodwin Law.

Speaker 9 (49:42):
Ho Matt Hi there, how are you, Heather?

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Very well? Thank you? Now are you surprised at all
that the cops are not launching a criminal investigation?

Speaker 9 (49:51):
Yes, i am. I think the decision lots of investigates
being made very quickly and it doesn't seem to have
regard to perhaps all of the surrounding issues that need
to be looked at. I think the first thing that
surprised me about your interview with District Commander Grantham last

(50:13):
night was the issue of what caused Brian's death. You
asked and what the deceased or Ryan Sethwaite had banged
his head into and District Commander Grantham said he hadn't
banged his head into anything solid. It was the movement
of his head. You asked whether that sounded like whiplash,

(50:35):
and he said, well, he wasn't a doctor, so he
couldn't comment on that. So it appears to be some uncertainty,
at least on behalf of the police, as to what
the basic mechanics of causation were of the death. You
would think that if you would think if his head
moved back in a rapid and forceful motion, that it

(50:57):
must have come into collision with some part of his opponent.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
So that.

Speaker 9 (51:05):
Doesn't seem to have been clearly acknowledged or perhaps explored
by the police.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
So from what I understand that they are going to investigate,
but only in order to assist the coroner. Right if
they went down the path of a criminal investigation, then
that would be because they think somebody should be changed.
And do you think somebody should be charged or that
should even be a consideration here.

Speaker 9 (51:32):
I don't think it's easy for us, without knowing all
of the facts, to be able to say whether somebody
should be charged in the situation, and the police will
have more facts than us, or at least have more
access to investigated tools to work that out. Having said that, though,
it does seem a situation where both people have participated

(51:56):
in this have basically gone run along a certain track
or distance and by some body messes colliding with each other,
and you would think that most people would realize that
there's a serious risk of bodily injury or possibly even

(52:17):
death if that was to occur, and so on, assuming
that risk, I think the question is whether whether that's
something that's acceptable, whether it's whether it can be regarded
as a sport, whether are enough rules, and if there
aren't enough rules or guidelines, or one of the participants

(52:39):
moves outside of the rules, then we've got a real
problem here. I think we've got potentially criminal liability. And
if it's just in the backyard where in this case,
I think the morning after twenty first and some young
lads have decided to give it a go, and that
seems to be assuming an awful amount of risk, awful

(53:00):
lot of risk, and one would expect that they are
under safeguards there that there might be in something a
little bit better organized. There isn't going to be a
medical on on the sideline, there isn't going to be
a referee, There may not be sensible decisions being made
about whether the two people are in a thick condition

(53:22):
to actually do this on the morning after twenty first,
when they might still be suffering the effects of a
hard night on the alcohol. So there seem to be
all the sort of I suppose, all the trappings and
dangers of something that could go wrong, which is what's
been forecast by medical experts I think for the last

(53:43):
few weeks.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Yeah, Matt, thanks very much for talking us through. That's
Matt Goodwin, criminal lawyer, twenty away from six.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Find You're.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
One of a Kind Huddle this evening. Jordan Williams, Taxpayers Union,
Jack Tame, host of Q and A and Saturday Morning's
high Lands. Jack Jordan the ocr is it about right?

Speaker 1 (54:05):
Yeah, it was certainly.

Speaker 24 (54:06):
I mean it was five to one vote, but it
was in line with expectations. I thought that the most
significant thing was how much more pessimistic the Reserve bankers
and compared to Treasury's numbers last week in the budget
economic update around projected growth. I mean, Treasury have to

(54:28):
put their numbers to bed back in April, but that
would suggest that the government's books are going to be
it's going to be even harder to hit this sort
of non surplus under the Nicola Willis's pretend new measure
on what a surpluses in twenty twenty nine. I think
that's the main one around the inflationary expectations. It seems

(54:51):
that it's just that the talk of all the news
of highering higher prices in the US seems to be
flying through it year. It seems to be perception not reality.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Yeah, that's what I took a away from it as well,
Jack was just how stuff the economy is in.

Speaker 10 (55:03):
Yeah, and it just sort of feels like progress is there,
but it's just incredibly slow and kind of barely measures
at the moment, like yep, yeah, yeah, we know things
are improving, but you know, the whole survive to twenty
five has been pushed back almost as far as Nicola
Willis's surpluses. I mean, I thought it was a pretty
straight that today. You know that the uncertainty in the

(55:24):
US is obviously kind of has the potential to throw
a spanner in the works for growth projections and also
all sorts of other metrics in the months and years
to come. But yeah, I just think we are not
out of the woods yet. We're still in a pretty
vulnerable position, and yet that return to surplus and you know,
sustained period of really healthy economic growth still looks a

(55:46):
long long way away.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
Yeah very much there, Yeah, go go Jordan.

Speaker 24 (55:49):
Oh there's a really good interview. I mean it certainly
wasn't Tame Jack on Sunday on growth and the very
poor growth numbers of you know, clearly not catching up
with Australia that Jack did.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
And I can't get past what you just called him
as he and nickname for him.

Speaker 24 (56:08):
Well, well, I mean the great thing about that this
is like I know we're supposed to be talking about
movies later, but it's got cool viewing because the thing
is is you just stay so calm and gently sort
of through it. And normally we're used to sort of
seeing media and clearly not on this show, but you know,
listening and watching media interviews where the interviewer is getting
progressively more aggressive and worked up, whereas Check you just

(56:31):
sort of was so calm and it might have been
because you had a cold. That I think I've now
picked up is and it's Nikola willis getting progressively more upset.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Jack, did you have a cold because I thought you
had a cold as well.

Speaker 10 (56:44):
Oh yeah I had. I had a really bad cold
last week. Honestly, Thank goodness, was pseudoephedrine, Like it's really changed.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
I know, a legal why is a wonderful thing, did
you know?

Speaker 10 (56:53):
But it does make you feel a little like take
it this point this way. I can see how they
make meth out of it, like I was then, Yeah, yeah,
but I was yeah, yeah, I mean, I just it
is curious, right to get all this language about growth, growth, growth,
and you know, if if you look at those growth forecasts,
I think we can all agree that growth forecasting is
a bit tricky at the best of times and generally

(57:16):
not super accurate. But all those growth forecasts over the
last eighteen months have have kind of consistently deteriorated. Whether
it's a reserve bank or or the government. You look
at the borrowing rates. I mean, they say the previous
government was addicted to spending. You look at you know,
look at the discovernments.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
On borrow.

Speaker 10 (57:34):
Well, if you look at you know, I'm always interested
in separating language from fact, and you know, it's yeah, yeah,
and that's not to say we don't want to see
economic growth, but you know that that. I think today's
data has kind of underscored things once again.

Speaker 15 (57:46):
It's a long way off, all right, we'll.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
Take about come back shortly sixteen away from six the.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
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Speaker 1 (57:53):
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Speaker 2 (57:57):
Right, you're back with a huddle, Jack Tam Jordan Williams
of the Now the Taxpayer's Union Jordan Williams is outfit
has released something that you might be interested in. Okay,
so you know your Keiwi savers been tinkered with the
government's taking money off. It will get a load of
what happens to MPs. MPs can contribute up to eight
percent of their pay and the taxpayer, you and I
will contribute twenty percent. So it can be for a

(58:20):
back bench you paid one hundred and seventy thousand as
much as thirty four thousand dollars a year that we're
chucking in this in their Kiwi savers. Jordan, that's outrageous,
isn't it.

Speaker 24 (58:29):
We just said what's good for the goose is good
for the gander, and I see that all the MP's
have said, oh this is outrageous. You know, it's independently
said and stuff like that. Look, reasonable minds can differ
on how much you should pay inmpeas because the can
be an argument that you want to pay to get
the best and brighters and all that sort of thing. Okay,
so let's get out of the way. But it's about transparency.
You know, you google how much is an MP paid.

(58:50):
It's about one hundred and seventy. But then of course
the public find out that, oh, well there's the other
thirty four thousand for the super and there's the other
thirty six thousand tax free for the expense allowance for
clothing and for luggage and things like that, and there's
the other forty old grand for the accommodation subsidy.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
What we say, is it?

Speaker 24 (59:10):
Shoot, look do it like anyone else would do it?
No one in there will be half a million people
listening to the show. They were the only people listening
that get thirty four thousand dollars from their employer to
go into the Kiwi saber or the r MPs. That's
that's crooked.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Would you go so far as saying crooked, Well, it's
not true.

Speaker 24 (59:33):
It's maybe it's not correct. I'm not suggesting that for
a moment, but it is it. It's come on, put
it this way.

Speaker 10 (59:41):
I can I jump in and help. How about Jordan here,
I work in a job where my role is to
hold your powerful people and powerful Polish into account and
I'm embarrassed to say that until this story came out,
I had absolutely no idea that MP's benefited from this perk. Now,
I'm one that thinks that MP's should be paid. Well,
I think we want talented people to be representing us

(01:00:04):
in Parliament. But I had absolutely no idea that they
could claim this much money by contributing. And I think
it's like it's maxed out at a backbencher's thing. Right,
So like, for example, the Prime minister he gets the
maximum that the backbencher would get. He gets thirty four
as opposed to Yeah. Right, But nonetheless it speaks to
the transparency points that Jordan's raising. Yes, I had no

(01:00:27):
idea about this, and so if I feel like if
I don't know about this, then most New Zealanders aren't
going to know about this.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Jordan. Here's the thing, right, if the best leaders are
people who do the same thing to themselves as they
ask of others. Right, and these guys are not good leaders.
That's essentially what it is.

Speaker 24 (01:00:43):
Well, I mean this has sort of been a cozy
sort of thing since that. This particular worle goes back
to two thousand and three, and the remuneration authority has
said time and time.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
Again on and we're not going to review that. We're
not going to touch that. What do you want them.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
To do, Jordan? Do you want them to take themselves
back to the same place the rest of us are.

Speaker 24 (01:00:59):
At exactly just sit in a mound like stop all
these extra add ons and the only reason they have
the add ons is to try to get the headline
amount low so they don't get grief.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
I've actually it's a paper.

Speaker 24 (01:01:10):
I've wanted to do this for a decade, and I
need to sit down and write it. I'm going to theory, okay,
and this is I say that genuinely, even the staff
and the text bas union disagree. You can make it
a principled argument we should pay loads. You make a
principal argument that we take the Swiss model and pay nothing.
Here's an idea, what about paying the opportunity cost of
being an MP. So you have a floor like a minimum,

(01:01:32):
but then cover like base it on you know, the
previous five years earnings or whatever you know taxtbill income.
So if you give up a job at a million
bucks a year, that's what you get paid. Because if
the argument the problem is if you pay.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Still do get it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
It's just an idea.

Speaker 24 (01:01:50):
I mean, it's not as I say that the tu
we actually can't agree what the best way is.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Butways complicated. I think you're over complicating it. These guys
they do it for they don't do it for the money.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
Wow, oh some of them.

Speaker 24 (01:02:04):
Some of them. I think that that you look at
the they're on the best job they're ever run. But
it's not right that that, as I say, you google
it one hundred and seventy year. Ok, that's high, but
you know they work hard whatever, but it's not it's
quarter of a million. Yeah, in any in any other
sort of measure.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Okay, Now, when was the last time, Jack that you
went to the movies?

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
Oh?

Speaker 16 (01:02:26):
I reckon.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
A year ago.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Oh it's not bad. What'd you go see?

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
Isn't it?

Speaker 22 (01:02:32):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
I feel like I win I saw.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
A kids movie?

Speaker 5 (01:02:35):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
Does that even count yet? Then well.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
Took up Minecraft last week.

Speaker 24 (01:02:45):
I was o to say to Jack, you know that'll
be your last one. I really had to think about it.
The last time I went to the movies it was
when Emily was pregnant and it was down to Abbey.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
It was more than five years ago.

Speaker 24 (01:02:56):
Oh yeah, it's just have you not taken it took
me a long time to think about.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
It with you. Are you doing no screen time? And
that's a gigantic screen The.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Thing is TV.

Speaker 24 (01:03:08):
I think that's it's the reaisance of of really good TV.
Now you look at the big budget sort of Netflix
serieses and stuff, that's where entertain.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
YEP, I'm with you. Okay, guys, listens, lovely talk to
the pair of you. Go Jack, you go get better, Jordan,
thank you for your time, Jack, Tam, Jordan Williams. Eight
away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on
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Speaker 25 (01:03:35):
Um.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Listen, Lord, I've got to tell you about Lord really quickly.
Lord is I don't know if you're aware of this. Lord.
We're talking about Lord, like the you know, the musician. Okay,
so just everybody get on board with me Lord. So
Lord is doing this thing where she does these like
little random pop up things and stuff, and it turns
up at random things and stuff, and she she actually
has a phone number and you can text her and
she will text you back. It's obviously AI doing it

(01:03:58):
instead's not actually, but anyway, she is playing a song
because remember she popped up somewhere in New York's and
she and then she popped up at that thing in Australia.
She is going to pop up tonight in Auckland, but
we don't know where she's popping up. So she's playing
a song tonight. There is a rumor that she's releasing
her new single tomorrow, so the rumor is that she
is going to give it a home somewhere in the

(01:04:19):
city tonight. Now, Sam, who is our producer, has spent
the whole afternoon not working but trying to figure it's
done absolutely nothing. Is just sat there trying to figure
out where Lord because he thinks that this is going
to add something to the show. Right, He's like, I'll
figure out for you, but he's failed because he cannot
figure out where Lord is playing tonight. So far, this
is the best that he's got to it's indoors. Well done, Sam,

(01:04:45):
it's indoors. That's like fifty percent of the thing.

Speaker 26 (01:04:48):
It rules out the top of mountain, rules out the
rules out outdoors, so it just leaves every indoor place
Y's indoors.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
So Lord's going to be indoors.

Speaker 26 (01:04:56):
We just need to try every indoor place. We need
to ring every indoor place in the city.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Can we just yet start now, Sam, and we'll probably
solve it by eight forty five, which is when he's
also figured that out when she's playing and it's invitation only,
So this is the problem now, Sam does not, so
I sunded. I feel like this is not actually about
the show and more about him trying to get himself
an invitation to Lord's event. But anyway, look if you

(01:05:22):
because there will be other people out there who know
the details, just help us out. Let's just do. Let's do.
Let's help Sam out by doing Sam's job for himself
so he can have a fun night tonight eight forty
five Lords somewhere inside where let me know nine two
nine two, Thanks very much. This is I'm getting a
lot of texts from people who don't go to the
movies anymore. And basically what they say is movies are
too expensive, and I completely agree with you. And as
Jordan said, you know, small screen is where it's at now,

(01:05:44):
It's where all the quality content is. This is interesting reading.
Cinema made a loss last year, and they made a
loss the year before as well. But interesting is this.
Roughly a third of the money that they made in
revenue was from snacks and drinks, so they made twenty
two point six million in revenue. Seven point two million
was generated from popcorn and ice cream and jockeys and

(01:06:05):
jaffers and all the stuff that you that you eat there,
So that is where a lot of their money is,
right and that's obviously where a lot of your money
goes as well, which is why you don't want to
go there anymore. Events Cinemas, who also reported blamed the
Hollywood strike because that's part of the reason that they're
not doing well. They blame the Hollywood strike said, not
a lot of good content has come through, but also
because we slap, we're quicker to slap an R sixteen

(01:06:27):
rating on stuff like Deadpool and Wolverine. In Aussie it
was only fifteen plus, and there's half the problem. There.
Now you bet that MP's kiwisaver thing is coming up
with Nikola Willison Monday. Put that in your diary.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
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Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
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Milford Asset Management on FMP, absolutely smashing it out the
park in janetib Cherney on the OCR right now to
seven past six. Now the warehouse has finally found a
new CEO after a year of searching. The CFO Mark
Sturton has been announced as the replacement. He's going to

(01:07:22):
take over in August. And the chair, Dame Joan Withers,
is with me. Now, Hey, Joan, how are you?

Speaker 5 (01:07:28):
Heather?

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
I'm very well, thank you. No, you searched for a year,
you went around the world, you ended up back in
your own place.

Speaker 25 (01:07:33):
What happened, Well, we didn't search for a year. When
we appointed JJ into their old John Jana early last year.
He came on board in May. It was clear that
there was a lot that needed to be done, so
Joj really worked on the heavy lifting. We were moving
away from an agile organizational structure to a different way

(01:07:54):
of working that took time. We obviously had to refocus
business priorities, and when the board put him in as
interim group chief executive, we said you're not babysitting. You've
got some heavy lifting to do here, and he did that.
So we didn't actually start looking for a new CEO
until late last calendar year, so yes, we did do

(01:08:16):
a comprehensive and thorough multi market search. And I'm delighted
because we've come back to a scenario where Mark Sturton,
who was appointed in April last year as the group CFO,
has basically been doing a one year job interview and
has continued to impress the board. But rather than just

(01:08:37):
annoyed someone internally, we went through that thorough process so
that we could be absolutely confident we've got the best
possible person for the job, and that's Mark.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
Do you think your company has turned a corner?

Speaker 25 (01:08:53):
I certainly think so, and you know, the economy is
still bouncing along the bottom.

Speaker 5 (01:08:59):
It's very, very tough out there.

Speaker 25 (01:09:01):
I think the Warehouse was really at the bleeding edge
of what happened in terms of the economy. I think
other companies are starting to see that. But internally, the
fundamentally important work that JJ has done has meant that
we are much better focused. And obviously we are totally
reliant on serving our one and a half million customers

(01:09:22):
every week with the best possible products at the best
possible prices, and that's been his focus, and we're certainly
going down that track, and we're starting to see some
green shoots.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
Yeah, good stuff, And are you seeing green shoots in
the economy.

Speaker 25 (01:09:39):
It's a little bit early to say, you know, at
the moment. The other complexity is the weather. So it's
been warm. We had a few cold days the week
before last, and immediately we saw a massive uptick. So
it's just hard to say. I hope today's OCR announcement
gives a bit of further impetus to peoples getting out

(01:10:02):
there and using some of that discretionary spend, but it's
still going to be a grind I think for the
next six months.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
When you talk about the weather. You're talking about the
fact that it's basically nobody's been incentivized to go and
buy winter gear. That's the problem, right exactly.

Speaker 25 (01:10:16):
Yeah, when you get a cold snap, it really makes
a difference. So we're just hoping it'll come in the
next few weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
Hey, I'm just interested. You talked about moving from an
a job business. What did you move too.

Speaker 25 (01:10:29):
We're back to a more I guess you'd say traditional
organizational structure, but very much brand focused. So, as you're
probably aware, we went down the whole omni channel route
with what happened over covid and what we thought would
be the move to online obviously didn't play out in
the way that we and many other retailers anticipated. So

(01:10:51):
we're very focused now on our three core brands. You
will know that, you know, sort of eighteen months ago now,
we let Torpedo seven go closedown dot com. So we're
really focused on making sure that those brands have the
resources and the leadership they need to super serve their
target markets.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
Joan, what's your take on agile.

Speaker 25 (01:11:15):
Look, we were at the bleeding edge as well on
that there weren't really any retailers in the world. Walmart
had flirted with it. We did go around the world
and have a look at where it was working. It
was interesting. I was in the US a year ago
and got some time at Microsoft. Was sat in Adella
and I asked him about Agile and what was happening
in the States with it, and he says, well, we've

(01:11:36):
still got agile, but we call it Franken Frankenstein agile now.
So everybody's doing their own thing. And at Microsoft they're
using AI agents as part of the agile squads, so
everybody's doing it a bit differently. It just didn't work
for us, and you know when that happens, you've got
to act quickly. So again back to John Jena and

(01:11:58):
the work you did. Changing an organizational structure is not easy,
and we needed to get all of that done before
we put a new CEO in.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
Joan, it's wonderful to talk to you. Thank you for
your time. That's Dame Joan Withers, Chair of the Warehouse Group.
Heather will she fire everyone involved in unleashing ash Agile.
They should be all ashamed of themselves at that agile thing.
A people do not love it. Thirteen past six.

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
Heather duples ol.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
Hey Lord update Hither that Sam's told me not to
read this out to you because he's trying to keep
all the information to himself. So it's not actually about
helping you, Ay, he just wants to go Lord event
by himself. Hither. There is a pop up container down
by the square by the railway station in Auckland and
they're saying there is a special secret guest. It's there
through the music months, but this popped up today on
a Heart of the City post. Heather, the Lord event

(01:12:45):
could be at the Viaduct's event center because the rehearsal
base has been bothering me all day and there are
signs out so saying that there's a private event. Thank
you Tom. Laura, what are we going to do? Are
we going to send Sam down there immediately? Should we
send him down? He's keen to gozi. Do we have
anything for him to do here or do we.

Speaker 20 (01:13:06):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
Laura says, he has got absolutely nothing to do because
he's been doing nothing all day anyway, just doing this,
So send him down. Let's send him down. Let's go
send him down. Put it on the uber. Put it
on the company uber. Don't tell them, don't tell the
boss put it on the company who send him down there.
Tell him to phone us on the company phone and
let us know. Still a little bit of money for
something here, surely, now, how.

Speaker 15 (01:13:25):
Cool is this?

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
Spark has just built a private five G network for
Air New Zealand. It's the first of its kind in
New Zealand. It is inside Air New Zealand's logistic warehouse.
Now why they've done this is because in the logistics
warehouse it's enormous, right, and all the stuff is in there,
like all the bits and bobs and the nuts and
the propellers and jeez everything, you know, all the little

(01:13:47):
antenna and all the little bits and bobs that they need.
But the problem is some of it is like fifteen
meters high up on a shelf, right, and that's just
all over the shop. And so it's really hard for
the Air New Zealand staff the humans to do a
stock take takes bloody forever and how do you get
up there? And so they don't do it very often
at all. So by building a five G network inside
this logistics warehouse, what it means is you can get

(01:14:09):
the drones up on the five G network and they
can do the stock take four in New Zealand. Apparently
they're going to be doing this every ten days now
as opposed to however often they were not doing it
when it was just the humans doing it. I'm loving this.
I'm increasingly becoming completely obsessed with cool technology, not like
la la out there technology like one day you're going
to jump on an air taxi at the LA Olympics

(01:14:31):
and blood whatever.

Speaker 20 (01:14:32):
Like.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
Don't come at me with that kind of nonsense. This
is happening. This is happening right now. It's actually happening.
It has the ability to lift our productivity in this country.
I'm obsessed with that. We're going to talk to Spark
about it in around about twenty minutes the time it's
quarter past.

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on the board where I work. She's a phenomenal person.
I think most people would agree with that. It's nineteen
past six now. Jane Tibcherny is The Herald's Wellington business
sator and with us now how your name?

Speaker 5 (01:16:01):
Hey, Heather?

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
Uncertainty still the case, isn't it?

Speaker 15 (01:16:06):
Very much?

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
So?

Speaker 7 (01:16:08):
The picture that I have in my mind is of
some sort of frantic office worker trying to explain things
by referring to a pin board, sort of drawing strings
between pieces of paper, sort of saying, you know, if
this happens, this could happen, and that could happen, but
maybe not. And here's another scenario that was kind of
my read through the Reserve Bank's quarterly Monetary Policy statement

(01:16:32):
and its commentary today in the press conference. So it
cut the OCR by twenty five basis points, as expected,
but then it really highlighted the uncertainty and the global outlook,
largely down to Donald Trump. I think it referred to
the word uncertain one hundred and sixty four times. Wow,
and it's sixty two page document.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
Yes, that's a lot, isn't it. What's going on with
the cuts because we all assumed that there was just
going to be a rate. It cuts at a rated knots.
But it doesn't look very much like that at all.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
Now.

Speaker 7 (01:17:02):
Yeah, look, it's very much open for interpretation. You could
argue that Christian hawks be delivered a hawkish statement, and
that is because the Monetary Policy Committee was divided for
only the second time ever on what to do with
the OCR. One person thought it should stay at three
point five percent. The others thought it should be cut. Yeah,

(01:17:25):
so you know, so there's that factor. Also, the commentary
today in the press conference really suggested it there was
a bit of uncertainty. I think Christian said that, you know,
there was no clear bias, so basically at the next
meeting he couldn't say, you know which way he was
leaning in terms of what the committee would do with

(01:17:46):
the OCR. But then the thing that was a bit
puzzling was the projections in the statement suggested that the
OCR would still be cut another couple of times. So
you know, you're piecing together bits of information that that
tells slightly different stories. So the only real story that

(01:18:06):
this all tells is that we don't know.

Speaker 15 (01:18:09):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
Well, if they don't know, then I think we can
say it's okay that we don't know, because they are
the ones who are supposed to know. Hey, thank you,
I appreciated to Native Eriny, The Herald's Wellington Business editor.
Jesus stuff day, Like how stuff does the world if
even the people who are supposed to run this inflation
business here no idea anyway? This business about the cops

(01:18:32):
in Liverpool naming the guy as a fifty three year
old white British Man has got a little bit of publicity.

Speaker 3 (01:18:37):
Eight.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
It has been assumed by some that that is quite
normal course of events. It's actually not. It's not at
all normal. It's unprecedented. Don't take my word for it.
Take the word of former Superintendent dal Babu, who has
been has been in charge of the Merseyside Police over there,
says it's quote unprecedented. Now, okay, let me explain to

(01:18:58):
you what goes on here. When the cops are hunting somebody,
they will say we're looking for a sixty four year
old woman who is white, right, so that you know
who you're looking for, right. But once they've already got
the person, their ethnicity actually is irrelevant to the situation.
So it was really weird that they released it and
why they released it. They've explained the situation. Why they
decided to say that the guy was white was because

(01:19:21):
they made the assumption that everybody else would make the
assumption that the person driving the car into all the
people would be an asylum seeker who was Muslim. They
and that could then because the people go on Twitter
and they say nasty things and they whind people up
in the UK like something chronic at the moment, and
they actually actually what they're doing on the X the

(01:19:42):
Twitter is that what happens in the social media can
actually translate into real life and they really actually go
out there to start attacking people and stuff like that.
So the cops wanted to stop that before, cut it
off of the pass before it even happened, just say, look,
it's not an asylum seeker. It's a white dude. Settle down,
don't worry about it. Problem is, as as former superintendent
now says, they're going to give them, they've given themselves

(01:20:03):
future challenges, haven't they, Because next time something like this happens,
everybody's going to go and what is the ethnicity? Are
you going to tell us? And if they don't tell us,
then they're going to be accused of protecting certain ethnicities
and not protecting others. And also if they don't say
next time that it's a white person in Britain, everyone's
going to assume it's an asylum seeker, aren't they. So

(01:20:23):
you know what they've done is they've just opened aig
hearts are in the right place, opened a gigantic can
of worms. Six twenty three.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
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Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
End be twenty six past six And with me now
is Remy Morgan Milford Asset Management. Hey, Remy, Hi, Heather.
How has the world? How has the world reacted? Just
how has the markets reacted to the ocr.

Speaker 23 (01:20:56):
Yeah, so the twenty five basis point cut today that
was fully priced and by the market going into today,
But following the announcement, we saw the market slightly lower
some of its future interest rate expectations. Now, while the
RBNZ lowered its own forward expectation to roughly what was
in line with what the market had been pricing going

(01:21:16):
into the meeting, it did imply a slightly slower pace
of interest rate cuts. And what was surprising was that
one committee member actually voted to hold at this meeting
rather than cut, So that might also explain some of
the market's reduced expectations.

Speaker 5 (01:21:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
The thing that we heard about a lot from the
Reserve Bank is uncertainty because there was just so much
going on globally. What impact does this having?

Speaker 23 (01:21:39):
Yeah, so like you say, there's a lot of uncertainty
going on around US policy and what this means for
global economies, and we've seen a lot of volatility in
global financial markets over the past few months. So even
with lower boring rates in New Zealand, this uncertainty off
shore could see a delay in investment and consumption decisions
domestically and that can impact nearten growth and so that's

(01:22:02):
something that the RBNZI considered in depth at today's statement
and they will need to continue to monitor that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
Hey, pretty amazing result from Fisher and Pikele Healthcare. What's
the market reaction to that then?

Speaker 23 (01:22:14):
Yeah, So Fisher and Pikeal Healthcare, it's one that's always
very closely followed by the New Zealand market. So, as
you said, result was very strong. This year's revenue was
up sixteen percent first last year net profit up forty
three percent. The forward profit guidance for next year was
also solid enough, despite some tariff noise, so another ten
percent growth at the midpoint expected for next year. But

(01:22:37):
despite the solid result, the market expectations were a little
bit higher, so that meant the stock actually closed down
four point four to five percent on the day.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
Remy, it's good to talk to you. Thank you for that, mate.
That's Remy Morgan Milford aset management. Heather, that's a bit tough.
I actually think they did the right thing saying it
was a white male, because the reaction would have been terrible. No, Mas,
I'm not saying it wasn't the right thing to do.
I said their hearts were in the right place. But
you might do something once doing the right thing, and
then next time hmm, Now you're in some sort of trouble, right,
that's what happens with the can of winds. You knowways,

(01:23:08):
Sam is still here. Sam has not gone to the
lord thing. Let me find out what's going on. I'll
come back to you. On that headline said.

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
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Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
Kevi's Gray is with us out of the UK in
about ten minutes. I'm telling you what I'm gonna ask
him about. Is this business with mccron marital shoved. Apparently
it's hardly made any news in France. How incredible is
that that they just not interested in It happened over
the weekend, obviously, when they were in Vietnam. The next morning,
didn't appear on a single front page in France, disappeared

(01:23:57):
from completely from news within twenty f four hours. And
I mean, there's whole bunch of stuff going on in politics,
but they reckon. The real reason that this is happening
is because there's a long standing belief in France that politicians'
private lives are private and you don't go there, which
is why they have girlfriends. No one knows about illegitimate daughters,
no one knows about the get but handsy no one
knows about it. Apparently the wives get a bit of handsy.

(01:24:18):
No one knows about it, simply because if it's private,
it's private. Twenty three away from seven, Now, how cool
is this? Spark has built the first private five G
network in the country. It's for Air New Zealand. It's
in Air New Zealand's large logistics warehouse, and the network
is now being used by drones and robots in order
to do regular stock takes that are just really too
hard for humans to do. Mark Beider is Spark's customer

(01:24:40):
director for Enterprise and Government Mark Hello, Hi, here the
hell are you?

Speaker 3 (01:24:44):
Very well?

Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
Thank you? Now I understand these drones and robots are
doing these stock takes every ten days now because of
this network. How often were humans doing it?

Speaker 27 (01:24:52):
They were doing it twice a year, so sort of
semi annually. You do a stock take and it normally
takes about ten days of preparation before you can actually
start the stock take. So in this case, it really
provides efficiency around how you can do a stock take
and how often our more you can do it as well.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
Why is it so hard for humans? Is it just
because of the warehouse? Things are up so high.

Speaker 27 (01:25:13):
It's the size of the warehouse. It's that you have
to scan every single item within an aisle. It's also
the height at these warehouses are fifteen meters high, so
getting to the top of the warehouse. So really it's
about how they can do this more efficiently and more
effectively over time.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
And then how many drones and robots have they got
going at any one time on this.

Speaker 27 (01:25:31):
At the moment, it's one, so it's a pilot and
they're using it pretty much through the evening to actually
do the stock.

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
Take every ten days, No, as often as.

Speaker 27 (01:25:42):
They need to really in the case, yeah, so they
can do it whenever they want, really, so effectively, what
we've done, we've worked with Ericson and also a company
good Cipher Robotics, and the private five G network which
is enabled by Ericson, gives great coverage within the warehouse
and it enables the robot to go up and down
an aisle whenever requid.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
Well, why did you have to build its own little
private five G network? Why is it not just using
the regular five G network like the rest of us.

Speaker 27 (01:26:08):
It provides more autonomy sort the latency that your need
to actually run a warehouse. It's much more effective, it
gives better coverage, it provides them with their own individual solutions,
so it's it's not impacted by the broader network.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
You're going to have to put that in assume I
know nothing, put that into normal people's language for me,
what does that even mean?

Speaker 27 (01:26:29):
So what it really means is is that it provides
much better coverage within the warehouse from a connectivity perspective, Yes,
and it enables the robot to actually connect to the
network more effectively.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
Okay, so thank you Mark, Now I understand it, okay,
So it's not going to hit a black spot and
fall out of the sky type of thing like. It
will have absolutely five G everywhere inside that warehouse.

Speaker 27 (01:26:49):
Absolutely, that's that's absolutely the aim of what we do
with a private private five G.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
Is there some AI going on here as well? Not?

Speaker 27 (01:26:57):
Not in this case. In this case, it's very much
around autonomous. So from that perspective, it is going up
and down the aisle autonomously.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
Yeah, so there is a little bit.

Speaker 27 (01:27:05):
Of AI built into how it operates. But realistically what
it does is it sets a course, it looks at
the aisle that it's going up and down, it scans
every single item from bottom to the top and that,
and then it concludes what they would class as its mission.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
Now, this seems to me like a no brainer. Why
has it taken so long to get one of the
first ones underway.

Speaker 27 (01:27:25):
It's really about bringing different types and looking for different
types of solutions for problems, and so the private five
G network within five g's always been there, but really
it's about what you built over the top of it
with different types of solutions. So you bring that convergence
together and you're looking for different types of problems. So
for instance, in a port there might be a different
type of solution that you need. In a manufacturing facility,

(01:27:47):
it's a different type of problem. So really this is
the first one of its kind in New Zealand and
hopefully there's going to be a lot more.

Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
Yeah, Now what does it cost? I mean is if
somebody is sitting there like thinkingg's I need one of
those for myself? How much money do they have to
scrape together?

Speaker 27 (01:28:02):
Well, it depends on the solution, to be honest, and
it also depends on the type of private five gen
network that you need. And there's there's so many different variables.
It's it's based on size of we you need the
private five.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
Tens hundreds of thousands, millions, what's the board.

Speaker 27 (01:28:20):
It would be, it would be in the hundreds of
thousands up in terms of the type of solution that
you would need, And it's it's really about it depends
on the actual requirement that you would need to go
and build.

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
This is going to have a huge impact on in
New Zealand's productivity out to managine, wouldn't it an accuracy?

Speaker 3 (01:28:35):
Look?

Speaker 27 (01:28:35):
And that's that's the reason we did it. It's a
really good use case to help them become, you know,
a digital air line, a world leading digitally air line.
So and that was one of the reasons that we
were really keen to do it with the New Zealand
because that's their mission to be the world's leading digital aligne.
So if we can help them do that, that's fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
Yeah, very cool, Mark, thanks very much, appreciate it, Mark Beta,
customer director for Enterprise and Government.

Speaker 3 (01:28:54):
At Spark Together Do for c Ellen.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
Sam is not going to the Lord event. Sam has
been pacing in and out of the studio. Sam is distressed.
What okay, So he's been doing his research. So it
is apparently not at the container. One tic set of
it's at the container that popped up down at the
viaduct is apparently not at the container because we called
Auckland Council. They said no, it's not at the container,

(01:29:20):
but not be lying to Sam. Sam's good.

Speaker 26 (01:29:22):
They're probably there are musicians playing at that container from
yesterday right through to Sunday, so there's probably someone else
playing at that container who may be really surprised at
the big crowd they're going to get afterday an enormous
audience Yeah, hopefully if anyone was listening and we were
talking about the container is still listening now.

Speaker 2 (01:29:37):
Not Lord, Guys, it's somebody else.

Speaker 26 (01:29:38):
I'm sure here for it will be great, but yeah,
probably not Lord.

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
Yeah, it's also not at the event center. Now. How
we know it's not at the Viaduct event Center is
because that's just not the vibe, right, Lord's not that
kind of a vibe. She's she's more like a get
out of the backyard with some fairy lights and bubble machines. Hey,
do you know what I mean, like like a little
bit of a little bit of bunting here and there.

Speaker 26 (01:29:59):
You know, Well, normally i'd agree, hehither, But we've already
established it somewhere indoors, so the backyard's right out of
it again.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
Yet, Okay, somebody's basement with fairy lights and buntings and
bubble machines, it's not going to be the Viaduct Events
Center in Auckland, apparently. Twitter says also like there's no
way she would fill the Viaduct event Center with a
number of people that she's invited, because, according to Twitter,
there are only footy invitations that have been sent out
and they have plus ones. So the maximum crowd that

(01:30:25):
she's going to have there is eighty people plus herself
and her band, you know, and whoever's filming it? Because
is this for another music video? She's doing this again?
Is that what it is? Maybe that's what it is?
What's that we think? So we think it's her second
Oh so she's releasing the music video with the single
that comes out tomorrow. Maybe. So I have got some
people in my life who are far cooler than I am,

(01:30:46):
and I've messaged them all to see if they know,
and all of them are quiet now. Either it's because
they don't they haven't messaged me back. Either that's because
they have got invitations and they don't want to tell
me and then have all of us numpties turn up
there as well. Or it's because they haven't got invitations
and they're ashamed of themselves. We don't know so anyway.

Speaker 26 (01:31:06):
Or their phone might be in the other room.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
Or they're already there in the phones in the other
room or whatever like wya.

Speaker 26 (01:31:11):
Maybe it's one of those things where they take your
phone off you so that you don't film anything or something.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
You know, this better actually be cool tomorrow, Laura, because
we have talked the hell of we've talked it up
ah like we've made Lord sound cool, so she better deliver.
She probably will anyway. So there will be no spending
on the company uber, there will be no spending on
the company credit card. There'll be nothing of that going
on because and Sam, other than counseling for Sam, who
is miserable about the situation. Right now, sixteen away from sevencroaging.

Speaker 3 (01:31:36):
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Speaker 3 (01:31:47):
US talks, that'd be Kevin Gray.

Speaker 2 (01:31:49):
Are UK correspondents with US? Now, Hey, Kevin, hi there,
given I'm fascinated by the fact that the French are
not interested in that marital shove. What do you think?

Speaker 19 (01:31:58):
Yeah, it does seem he doesn't it. But I have
to say I think the French do have a very
different attitude towards affairs, affairs of the heart, but also
just towards sort of people's personal behavior, and particularly over
there bringing up of a family and what is and
is not acceptable with regard to punishment and so forth,

(01:32:20):
and certainly with regard to romantics. Or affairs. We've seen
several former presidents prime ministers of France have an affair
and the country really not take that much notice. They
really do think that is personal. They don't think it's
got anything to do with their jobs, so they can't
see why its of interest to the rest of us.
The rest of the world's media, however, have really poured

(01:32:41):
into this. And when you look through that footage of
the plane door opening, you know on so many state visits,
it's so well choreographed, the fact that he was standing
there and then got this push and then says it
was a joke. When you slow the footage down, it
doesn't look that particularly joky to me.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
No, not at all. Interesting attitude from the French. Is
this an attitude that is just you know, like as
in your personal life as your personal life and nobody
else has a say on it. Is that exclusive to
politicians or do they extend it to everybody?

Speaker 19 (01:33:13):
It's pretty much extended to everybody in the public life, unless,
of course, you are an advocate of one thing and
then come out in your personal life and do something different.
But certainly, when you when you look at some of
the big stars Jeradepaju, of course, being in court recently
and found guilty of various charges against women on film
sets and so forth. They do really have a different

(01:33:36):
attitude because they seem to think, well, it's you know
that that's part of their personal lives, nothing to do
with us. It's not to do with their job. As
long as I still like that politician or I like
that actor, or I like that celebrity, then that's nothing
to do with me. But in other countries, of course
New Zealand UK no different. It can cost somebody their job,
it can certainly cost somebody their reputation, and so that

(01:33:59):
that attitude from France, I must say, I can't think
of many, if any other countries around the world that
has that similar sort of less a fair look.

Speaker 2 (01:34:06):
Yeah, it's totally they may and staying in France, by
the way, I see that they've erased it around. It
up more than twenty people about those cryptocurrency kidnappings.

Speaker 19 (01:34:15):
Yes, there have been lots of cryptocurrency kidnappings or attempted
kidnappings in France, and this is all because the apparently
the crooks believe this is a quick way to make money.
Identify those who have a large cryptocurrency holding hold a
relative to ransom and then simply demand the cryptocurrency over.

(01:34:35):
Much more difficult to trace than hard cash, much easier
to transfer than hard cash, so police have now rested
it's thought twenty four people taken into custody, and the
whole incidents really been sparked by the fact there have
been a number of kidnapping plots, but more recently. Earlier
in May there was an attempted kidnapping of a woman

(01:34:57):
and child in Paris, and it's believed that one other
member of the family was a cryptocurrency multi multi millionaire.
And it also follows a couple of other happenings right
across France, but mostly in and around Paris where there
have been these abductions are attempted abductions.

Speaker 2 (01:35:13):
Given where are the remains of the Spanish saint.

Speaker 19 (01:35:17):
These are fascinating actually because of course saints are supposed
to effectively not decay very much when they die. That
is a sign of them being saintly. So Catholic worshippers
have been turning up to Albert de Tomes It's in
Western Spain, to view relics of Saint Theresa of Avilla.

(01:35:38):
She's a sixteenth century religious reformer. She's in a silver casket,
and the faithful have lined up in their tens of
thousands to see her, silent and wonderstruck as the remains
of the mystic have been put on display for the
first time in more than one hundred years now. It
is effectively like seeing somebody in an open top silver
coffin and they're just a skeleton. She dies in fifteen

(01:36:01):
eighty two and is a big, big figure and a
big player from Spain's Golden Age and the sixteenth century
counter Reformation. But some are saying, is this just like
tourism morbidity. Yeah, but tourism curiosity in the morbid so
that's what they're looking at. But others are saying, no,
it's good to show off the saints as they are.

Speaker 2 (01:36:20):
Yeah, Kevin, thanks very much. I really Appreciateskevin Gray are
UK correspondent. Eight Away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:36:26):
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Speaker 2 (01:36:33):
Oh. I almost forgot to say, hey, thank you so
much to Sharon Stewart Auckland Counselor for her thirty years
of service. She's stepping down at October's local body elections
after did I say thirty years? Did you want me
to read that name again? Sharon Stewart me, neither. Listen,
that piker of a movie looks really good. Eight. So

(01:36:54):
they put out the trailer. Hey, listen, I want the
truth for my son and I want justice. I would
have given up a long time ago if a Hedden
men there. How good does that sound? That's Robin Malcolm
in there. Robin Malcolm's acting so strong, Melanielinski m so strong.

(01:37:18):
They are playing Sonya Rockhouse and Anna Osborne. One of
them lost their sons, one of the one of them
lost the husband, and they became friend They basically started
fighting the system and they became friends. And the fight
was to try to get the bodies of the men back.
What's interesting, Oh, I can't even underscore to you how
much I am excited about this coming out, because I
do love a good drama and these guys will do

(01:37:39):
a fantastic job. Interestingly, premiering at the Sydney International Film
Festival next month, not in New Zealand, and we have
to wait until October for it's premiere here. It's going
to premiere in Graymouth. Now, don't get upset about that,
because I'll tell you why. Because this looks like an
outstanding film and if premiering somewhere big like Sydney helps

(01:38:03):
it to get an international audience and make as much
money as possible and get as much coverage as possible
and get as many eyeballs there, then I can't begrudge
him that aim like they have got to do what
they've got to do to try and get as many
people watching it as possible.

Speaker 26 (01:38:14):
So all power to them and supercut by Lord to
play us out tonight. I feel like this has been
the big music news of the day. Unfortunately, I can
see Sam out there. Oh yeah, he's on the phone
in the in this.

Speaker 12 (01:38:26):
Now has he.

Speaker 2 (01:38:27):
Spent on this? Like and what does the opportunity cost
to us? Of other stuff? He hasn't been doing well?

Speaker 26 (01:38:32):
I mean, where people are always complaining about the young
ones and gen z about how they stay inside on
their phones all day. Here we are, we're trying to
get him out. Yes, we're trying to get him out
and amongst and you know, going to events and going
out there. So I think, well, I think this is
a very very good thing for us all to be doing,
and the news values if he can get inside there,
I think it's well worth it. We've got to go
go big or go home. Here that we've got to
take risks. Oh, so I think he really wants to
go to Lord. This is his favorite song from Lord's supercut.

Speaker 2 (01:38:54):
Look, I'm not his boss. I'm no one's boss. Laura
the German is his boss, and she does look phazed
about it. It's just chill about this. Look awesome to
work for. Actually, you might need to work for her
myself to spend all days.

Speaker 26 (01:39:07):
I'm just gonna remember this the next time. I'm a musician.
I'm really into town and I think you should probably
shore the next time of Boy and Bear announced like
a surprise pop up in Auckland. We're just gonna have
to bring this up for Yes, we.

Speaker 2 (01:39:17):
Just need hours to try. Maybe it's at a gallery
in Devenport where her mother lives, because the gallery is
a long term supporter of Kiwi music. It's hard to
get across the ferry though. You won't have time for that, Willie. Anyway,
enjoy your Lord, see you tomorrow.

Speaker 14 (01:39:31):
Afluesting Come on till everything.

Speaker 6 (01:39:39):
You call off the.

Speaker 24 (01:39:43):
Moment fluescing Come on.

Speaker 1 (01:40:16):
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