Full Show Podcast: 28 November 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected news,
Tolp said.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Be.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today former
Health Minister now Labour leader Chris Hopkins with his response
to the COVID inquiry that his government asked for water care,
with the latest on the arsenic levels in the Auckland
and Hamilton water and also we'll have a chat to
the Free Speech Union and find out why it is
that considering legal action over Candice Owens being denied the visa.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
Heather duplicy Ellen.

Speaker 5 (00:35):
Right.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
So, the first part of this Royal Commission of Inquiry
into the COVID response has dropped today a couple of
hours ago. And from what I've read, and look, I've
got to be honest, you haven't read the whole thing
because it is seven hundred and thirteen pages long, sin
is a hell of a lot to wade through. But
from what I have managed to read in this report,
it seems to me that the strongest criticism has been
reserved for the use of vaccine mandates. Now the report says,

(00:59):
you remember the vacs mandates. This is where we said
if you worked in a certain setting, and it ended
up being quite a few workplaces, if you worked in
a certain workplace and you didn't get the JAB, we
were going to basically force you to be fired. And
a lot of people got fired over it, and there
were a lot of court cases and stuff like that. Now,
what the report says is that the mandates ended up
actually being used in too many workplaces, and when they

(01:20):
were used, they were used for too long. Now it
turns out Chippy and just Sender and everybody else in
that cabinet they already knew in January twenty twenty two
that the vaccine mandates were not going to work because
omicron was already in the country, and if you remember,
omicron was so much more infectious, and they knew that

(01:42):
the vaccine didn't stop people passing omicron on. And yet
even though they knew in January twenty twenty two that
the mandates were not going to stop the spread of omicron,
they kept the mandates in place until September that year,
So that's eight months after they knew the vaccine go
and stopped spreading the COVID. For eight months, people kept

(02:03):
on losing their jobs, losing their income, losing their homes,
having to pull their kids out of school and move
somewhere else, disrupting their entire lives for eight months. That
happened to New Zealanders when there was no reason for
that to be happening at all, no reason to fire
them because they didn't need to take the JAB, because
the JAB was not going to stop the COVID from spreading. Now,
if you want to be generous to cabinet, you can say, look,

(02:28):
you know they were dealing with information in real time
and they needed a bit of time to be able
to remove manages, blah blah blah whatever. You could maybe
give them a bit of leeway through to March. Remember
they knew in January you could give them some leeway
through to March. You could say that's when the peak
of omccromon had passed and then they needed to, according
to the report, drop the mandates. So even being kind

(02:48):
to them, it should have happened in March, which means,
even being kind to them, they kept firing people for
six months for no reason. Now, I personally think those
people who lost their jobs are owed an apology, if
not compensation, for what they had to go through. And
I think Chippy who was the Health Minister at the time,
and Jacinda who was the Prime Minister at the time,
and even Ashley Bloomfield who was the COVID messiah, returned

(03:12):
owe an apology to all those Kiwis who lost their
livelihoods and the lives that they've built and were ostracized
and were treated badly because they didn't need any of that.
They didn't need to lose their jobs. Now quite why
the government kept on doing it for eight months when
they knew they didn't need to, I don't know. I
don't have it. There's no explanation for it. Maybe it's
because the mandates were popular with Kiwis, and maybe it

(03:32):
was all just about politics. I don't know, but you
know what, an admission that it was wrong would be
a start, because it's pretty black and white in this
report that.

Speaker 4 (03:40):
It was wrong either due for ce Allen.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
We're gonna have a chat to Chippy actually Health former
Health Minister will be with us after five o'clock. Nine
two nine two is the text number.

Speaker 6 (03:50):
By the way.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
Now on another subject altogether, but off a tough market
for fake meat manufacturers by the looks of things. We've
got another plant based company in the country, Sustainable Foods Limited,
which is on into voluntary administration. In April, the fake
meat company Sunfed also announced that it was closing. Ristraateur
Martin Bosley is with me now.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
Had bos Hey, how you doing.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
I'm very well, thank you. What's going on here? People
just not into the fake meat?

Speaker 7 (04:14):
I think, oh god, sorry, I thought I got rid
of my phone multiple Oh yeah, I'm very.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
I'm a very important person.

Speaker 7 (04:22):
Only at four o'clock in the afternoon. It would I
think it's I don't think it's I think I think
it was there. People were into it to begin with, right, Yeah,
they got they gone into it, and I think they've
just kind of into the fake meat thing. They've kind
of moved forward. They become a little bit more aware of,
liked you, all the additives that went into it to
create that. So I don't thin it's a full scale
back lats against it. But I think what it Sean

(04:45):
lied on was the need for sort of more plant
based foods rather than that highly processed fake meat. H
And that's sort of think that's the to desire for
sort of more natural ingredients and health focused choices.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
So if I look, I tried it and its taste
was fine, is that surprisingly good? But it just never
really I just never really got into it because I thought,
if I want to eat meat or eat meat, and
if I don't want to eat meat, I'll eat a plant.
So is that basically when people got.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
To I think so.

Speaker 7 (05:11):
I think it was like, you know, people who wanted
to eat meat, We're always going to eat meat. They
were never going to go to a chick al tunative.
They were gonna always have meats. So it was kind
of like, you know, so if you're a vegetarian, here's
an option. But if you're a vegetarian, why did you
want some of that tasted like chicken when you already
decided not to eat chicken?

Speaker 3 (05:25):
Was Yeah, it was a fad basically.

Speaker 7 (05:28):
Yeah, I think it might have been. You know, it
was kind of there was some popularity there, but Dinah
sort of stepped away from it. I think, you know,
there was concerns about the tastes. There was definitely concerns
over the texture, and I think that kind of it
sort of led to I guess a movement of sort
of putting the plant back into plant based rather than
putting the you know, putting the chemicals of the plant
based and so what was seeing now on med us

(05:48):
is dishes that kind of highlight vegetables and lay us
these light fluffles, mushroom based meals, lintle based options instead
of just substituting meat with processed alternatives.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yeah, okay, so do you think that this is going
to If you are an investor in plant in fake
meat company, think about taking your money out because this
is the way it's going. This is the trend.

Speaker 7 (06:08):
God know, should ever looked to me to financially advice
either you know that or me frankly, but you know,
but the planta I mean also were kind of like,
you know, it's been adopted internationally way before you know,
you know, we're kind of late adopters to it. Later
rolls out like like in the US, it's huge, and
it's and well it isn't plant based food. It's not

(06:29):
the fake meat food, you know, but forty seven percent
of people are actually I guess what you call flixer tearans.
They you know, they regally incorporate plant based foods into
their diet, but without fully convenience sort of vegetarianism. So
you know that that demographic is the key driver for
plant based products. People still eat meat but also want
a little bit more. So you know, I think, well,
you know it sort of process plant based meat will

(06:50):
they'll they'll be there. I don't think it's going to
grow that much more more that whole plant based food
markets is what's going to grow.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
I think, what are you eating at the moment? What's cool?

Speaker 7 (07:01):
Oh god, I've got I've gone back to like really simple,
basic eating. I don't know why it makes my age.
I think, you know, we're just like like last night,
I just had a steak on some meshed potato with
some carrots on the side. You know, really, what did
you do with your carrots? I just I just I
point did guild the lily a little bit?

Speaker 2 (07:18):
There?

Speaker 7 (07:18):
They were kind of roasted with was a little bit
of maple syrup and some button.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
Oh that's pretty flesh.

Speaker 7 (07:24):
There's a flesh carrots like I called it caramelized carrots.
But they were, you know, so I kind of put
a bit of a but it it was just carrots.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
And but isn't this but.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
This is just the benefit of living in New Zealand, right,
We don't need to dress stuff up with fancy sauces
and all kinds of carry on, because actually it's fresh
and it's awesome.

Speaker 7 (07:40):
Exact when people were saying to me, like, how do
you define New Zealand cuisine? Like you know, like, yeah,
it's how you'd go past it, tomad of the feet,
you'd say body, butter and creaman whatever. You know, we said,
you know, how do you define New Zealand cuisine? It's
the quality of our ingredients produce that makes the difference.
It is so good. You know, we're an agricultural nation
and so we have really access to to those pros

(08:00):
and to great vegetables and u and other products around,
you know, and that's in that space seafood in my god,
I mean like incredible. So yeah, we are already fortunate,
I think so as we kind of assume the rest
of the world it's like we do. No that doesn't
and it's simply don't.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah, they don't have it as good. Hey boss, thanks man,
really appreciate it's Martain Bosley Ristratur and absolutely top guy.
Do you know, do you know who's not feeling like
a top guy? Guy who was driving the police car
that crashed into Chris Luxeon's car. I about that. I mean,
how how tough is it to be in the police
at the moment. So first they leave, they leave Luxo's
itinery on the dashboard if everybody just cop an eye

(08:36):
full of if they wanted to, and then they go
and crash into the back of his car. So apparently
it happened yesterday about half past three in Wellington, so
around about the school kids have just come out out
of school so they can all see what just happened.
There they're on Cobham Drive, which is that built between
presumably coming from the airport I'm assuming, or going to
the airport, God only knows, but anyway, it's the you know,
the airport bit with a needle, the orange needle in

(08:56):
the sky and Luxo's in the car with Nikoler Willis
and the they're in the Crown car and behind them
is the police car and then rear ended.

Speaker 8 (09:06):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
It's tough to be a cop at the moment. Sixteen
past four, who will take.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
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Speaker 3 (09:39):
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Speaker 5 (09:40):
Right now?

Speaker 9 (09:41):
We'll tell you this is very up to date. Incidentally,
and you see a dollar forty five to win this
Test match after being inserted ten for fort Mitchell is
just gone trying to a big pool, looks of it?
Cart it up up in the air court. Never mind,
because Williamson's still there eighty five not out blundles and
now on two. But this is where it gets interesting.

(10:01):
So dollar forty five for New Zealand two, in which
it seems reasonably solid. But let's look at the market
I like, which is Kin Williamson And this is Kan
Williamson to score a ton. So what are the chances
of skin they're saying for one hundred in this innings?
He's paying a dollar twenty right now twenty more runs

(10:22):
to get is it worth it?

Speaker 3 (10:23):
Fourteen or four dollars?

Speaker 9 (10:25):
Twenty for him to fall in the next twenty hours.
Now that'll be his thirty third Test century, and the
way he's been scoring them, you suggest you would suggest
do as I say, make your own mind up that
he may well pick up that thirty third Test century.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Looking so good. I mean it started a bit dodgy.
They sort of managed to write it. But you know,
I don't know. I'm not feeling convinced by this innings,
are you?

Speaker 2 (10:47):
No?

Speaker 4 (10:47):
No?

Speaker 9 (10:48):
And I think it's good though the pitch will flatten out.
I'm a bit concerned that Mitchell disappeared, and by the
looks of it, Cass was pitching him quite short and
he got a little lucky.

Speaker 5 (10:58):
I think it was the top edge that he got.

Speaker 9 (10:59):
So Blundle's got a lot of work to do. He's
probably underweaving of pressure. He keeps particularly well when it
comes to wheel in the willow. He's hardly covered himself
and glory and then came Williamson. He's on ninety now
look at that. He's having an answort field day.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
Did you see that ration Ravender crop to the bullbox?

Speaker 11 (11:19):
Did you see it?

Speaker 9 (11:20):
And the protector?

Speaker 3 (11:22):
Yeah, it's called the bullbox, isn't it.

Speaker 6 (11:25):
I was actually in the car.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
It was a direct hat. Oh really, it was a
direct hat. That was an impressive show.

Speaker 9 (11:31):
That's really interested that the box has been in play
for This says a lot about men. How long has
the box been in play for cricket and compulsory and
for cricket? How long, like you know, generational, it's been
there forever and ever. I mean then he started wearing
helmets about twenty years ago. So what's more important to
a man? I don't need my brain, but.

Speaker 12 (11:51):
Don't you touch him?

Speaker 3 (11:52):
Dicky, your way says.

Speaker 9 (11:54):
A lot about the human racing about particularly sorry about that.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
Yeah, Brad Moore joining the Crusaders, what do you make
of that?

Speaker 9 (12:02):
Well, Brad more assistant coach and you're right the way
to the thick of the most successful time for the Crusaders.
Then he up and left to go a plum tree
to become an assistant coach of the All Blacks next
level up and then Foster sacked him after they got
done two one at home by the Irish. So head's
at the Rowland. Look there you go, Brad's head rolling
down a hill. Now Brad Dean disappeared. He didn't pack

(12:22):
sad and we've got some international experience, but at a
time assistant coach for Argentina, but at a time assistant
coach for Scotland, which is what they all talk about
international experience right there. Now he's come back back home again.
He's joining up with Matt Todd who used to play
under him, Rob.

Speaker 12 (12:38):
Penny and Rob Penny and who used to play together at.

Speaker 9 (12:40):
Club level way back in the day. So that's the
trend for it, if you will, to try and take
the Crusaders back to their promised land. He said, no,
I haven't even thought about taking the head coach job.
But we know that Rob Penny is only contract to
teens next year. They're looking for somebody else. Here's a
guy with the history. We talk about what makes good.

(13:00):
It's all about grasping and grabbing and holding on to
the history and this is what these guys have got
in Spade. So that's a that's a great appointment. They're
looking forward to seeing man.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
Thanks dus appreciate it. Dues and Autograve. We're back sports
Sports Talk at seven.

Speaker 9 (13:14):
Brent Lee's going to join us on the show tonight.

Speaker 12 (13:16):
The Aussie fast baller of.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
Great Rule with the hair, Hey, with the hair. Hey,
that's gonna be awesome. Yeah, and I'll keep you upstairs
with shame bond.

Speaker 12 (13:26):
We've got fast bowlers everywhere.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
I got crack cracket Yeah. Four twenty three.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Dupless d
Allen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and
youth talks.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
That'd be hey, over and assy. That troublesome Senator Lydia Thorpe,
you know the one who yelled out at King Charles,
you're not my king. She has been suspended from the Senate.
Happened last night because she'd been a pain in the
ars for absolutely ages, and then last night she took
her too far because they were in some sort of
a debate and she threw paper at Pauline Hanson just
to illustrate that she's not a grown up at all.

(13:58):
So they took a vote as to whether they sh'd
suspend her, and she was suspended forty six eleven. The
eleven was a big majority. The eleven who were like, nah,
she's done nothing wrong. Greens, I've got no standards. They
were like, she can stay anyway. Murray Old's is going
to be with us on ten minutes in that hither,
on that rather hither, I went past the accident. This

(14:18):
is the Prime Minister's car being rare ended by the
cop car. I went past the accident about a minute
after it happened yesterday. The drivers had only just started
looking at the damage. It was a black DPSSUV. It
came out of the fire station round about on Cobbom Drive,
just a bit quicker than the Crown Lamo and smack
into the back. It was quite funny. Actually. There were
men in black suits and dark glasses with their earpieces
and they called coiled wires down their shirts checking the

(14:40):
damage to the boss's car. It's amazing how you can
have all of that equipment, all of that tech, and
be super cool and like a man in black and
you could still accidentally drive into the back of the
boss's car. Heather real suggestion for compensation for those affected
by the COVID mandate, No way. If they had just
followed what the rest of us did and got vaccinated,
then they wouldn't have had the job loss. It's a
pretty simple They didn't want to, aren't they adults? And

(15:06):
they can make decisions for themselves. You don't fire somebody
because they don't do what you want them to do.
Bs Heather, the mandates were never going to stop the spread,
but they were designed to slow it down to give
the hospital's breathing space. And the selfishi refused vaccination deserved
to be sacked. Man alive, hardasses, EH Headlines.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Next, the day's newsmakers talk to Heather First, Heather Duplicy
Allen drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected and
you talk Z be.

Speaker 7 (15:37):
You well blon yellow colds.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
I'll tell you what if those if those comments about
the mandates getting you worked up, and they are by
the looks of things, Wait till you hear what the
report's got to say about. Jasinda Ardun in her single
source of truth comment got some more on that, Heather,
are these are unbearable. They've well and truly swallowed the
COVID kool aide. You are one hundred percent correct that
vaccination wasn't going to stop the spread of omicron. I'm
still suffering PTSD from the bloody Auckland lockdown that no

(16:11):
one outside the city can ever have a hope of appreciating.
I know, it's like when you go to war. You know,
when you go to war. I don't know. I've never
been to war. But people who go to war, they
become a brotherhood of people who've had an experience together
that nobody can understand. That's what it's like for Auckland.
A Auckland Aucklanders are like about this thing, and everybody
else is like, why are you so angry about that lockdown?

(16:32):
It's because you can't understand if you weren't part of it. Anyway,
I'll get you across the rest of it shortly. I
just got to tell you what's going on with Menfooon.
Did you see what got what he's up to now?
This is Meingfoon, former race relations commissioner, former mayor of Gisbon.
He has become a driving instructor. I mean the guy
is how old is he sixty five? So he doesn't
have to work anymore. It's not like he's and he's

(16:54):
actually independently reasonably wealthy. But he just did it. He
was a mentor driver with the Coppers when he was
the mayor and he really enjoyed doing it. So he
has now become the first AA driving instructor for Gisbon.
So there's that so and he's actually, as was pointed
out to me, got a very calm disposition, so actually
exactly the kind of person who would handle being a

(17:15):
driving instructor quite well and wouldn't fear for his life
too much, or if he did, he wouldn't display it. Also,
he's no longer ming Foon. He's now Ming Fon, as
in like fo N, not foo En, because his birth
name is actually Mengfong. And he thinks that what happened
is that when he went to school, somebody just added
another O and then he was Mengfou and never ever
since from that point. Twenty three away from.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
Five, it's the world wires on news. Dogs'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
So we're about twenty four to twenty five hours into
there is Israel has Bolla Trusan. So far it's holding
his Bolla and Israel are both pulling their forces back,
and Lebanese civilians are returning to their homes. Some his
Bolla supporters are claiming that the ceasefire is a victory
for their side.

Speaker 4 (17:54):
What happened is very good. This is resistance is on
and blind.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
Now threats have been made against several of the people
that Donald Trump has picked for his administration. The FBI
is investigating bomb threats and incidents of swatting where police
are called to her a person's house under false pretenses.
A former deputy director of the FBI says, threats like
this are becoming quite common and they're always a real
headache for law enforcement.

Speaker 13 (18:18):
They probably know ninety percent sure that the East threats
as they come in are worthless. They are hoaxed, there's
nothing to them, but they can't take the risk of
not responding on the off chance that one real threat
gets through.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
And finally, Adele is charging almost six hundred dollars for
her newest concert album. This is a limited edition box set. Right, so,
the limited edition box set has a vinyl recording of
one of her Las Vegas residency performances. It's got a
photo book, and it's got some confetti from the live

(18:55):
show in it. It costs five hundred and ninety one
New Zealand dollars plus post no.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Thanks, International correspondence with ends and eye insurance peace of
mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Murray old Zzy corresponds, that's hay Mars.

Speaker 5 (19:10):
Gooday here they're going to afternoon Lydia Thorpe for gift
that keeps on giving. Made a good thing.

Speaker 14 (19:16):
The Senators rising at the upper house of the Federal Parliament.
It's been a very long year and the kids are
getting very ruckecy at the end of school.

Speaker 5 (19:25):
Yesterday, well look there's some moving parts in this.

Speaker 14 (19:28):
Yesterday Pauline Hansen tried to query whether Fatima Payment, a
young woman born in Afghanistan, is she even allowed to
sit in the Australian Parliament. Queried Hansen, Well, Fatima Payment
gave her both barrels, said you're just a disgrace of
the human race, Hansen, and then Lydia Thorpe throws Hanson's

(19:50):
motion a bunch of papers around the Senate. Well enough
was enough for both major parties and they ganged up
on Thorpe and agreed to have.

Speaker 5 (20:00):
Her suspended for two days ah the last two days
of the year.

Speaker 14 (20:03):
So she's walked out of the house yesterday with a
middle finger up to the whole chamber, and she's come
back today. The doors are open, proceedings are underway, and
she gives them a godful take a listen.

Speaker 15 (20:16):
Pray, I call the clerk, I call the clerk.

Speaker 5 (20:25):
Yeah, there you go. Lydia Thorpe the gift he keeps
on giving.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
Is there anybody who is impressed with her behavior? I mean,
obviously right minded people like myself and yourself are like,
what a lunatic? But what about the people who care
about the causes that she advocates?

Speaker 5 (20:37):
So do they like this? Well?

Speaker 14 (20:39):
Look, honestly, I can't. I can't answer that, to be honest. Look,
she likes the sound of her own voice. She loves
the attention of the publicity. Yeah, whether that gets her
elected again when the Senate comes around, I'm not sure.

Speaker 5 (20:51):
She's certainly got more headlines than most of them. I
mean a lot of them.

Speaker 14 (20:54):
They could bite you on the bum. They're so anonymous
you wouldn't know who the heck they are.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
Yeah, fair points know who she is. And we will
probably not forget for a long time that copper who
tasted the old lady's being convicted of manslaughter, which really
was there was no other way, right, I mean, once
you kind of knew the circumstances, it was clear the
guy shouldn't have done it.

Speaker 5 (21:13):
Well now he should not have done it.

Speaker 14 (21:15):
And for those who don't know, ninety five year old
woman clan Nowland a great grandmother with dementia. And she
was there in a nursing home and Kuma down in
the snowy mountains a year ago now, no over a
year ago now anyway, as she had taken a couple
of knives from the kitchen, was walking, was but you know,
getting around on a walker, had gone into another residence room,

(21:40):
which isn't cool, I guess, and one of the supervisors
called police.

Speaker 5 (21:44):
Well, the police have turned up with paramedics. And you
would think, wouldn't you.

Speaker 14 (21:48):
She's ninety five, she's frail, she's old, she can't get
around that quickly.

Speaker 5 (21:53):
And he puts a taser into a chest.

Speaker 14 (21:55):
She falls, sits ahead and dies five days later from
a frection skull.

Speaker 5 (21:59):
So, look, there's no win is in any of this.
He's been convicted.

Speaker 14 (22:02):
They apply today the prosecution for for bail to be
revoked and they want to cast out your sentence. His barrister,
the defendant's barrister, saying, listen, there's no need for custody here.
No winners. And for a police officer going in in
side is going to be very very tough. Indeed, I mean,
I think for manslaughter it's up to is it fifteen

(22:26):
years in New South Wales.

Speaker 5 (22:27):
I think so he's.

Speaker 14 (22:29):
Facing a long time in jail, and I think we're
going to find out more about sentencing tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
Must you see the story about this murderer who's in
jail and she's allowed to undergo IVF.

Speaker 5 (22:40):
That's right, I mean, we are. It's funny.

Speaker 14 (22:44):
I was playing golf this morning and you know, with
a couple of older guys, much older than me, and
they're saying, oh, the world's changed, you reckon, it has changed.
And there's outrage in Victoria where this woman convicted.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Of murdering a friend.

Speaker 5 (22:57):
The killer was high on ice.

Speaker 14 (22:59):
This mother of three was just in the way and
she was stabbed to death. Well, this woman, Alisia Schiller,
was jailed for at least sixteen years. That was back
in twenty seventeen for murder. Now she wants to undergo
self funded IVF. And the critics say this is outrageous
that she's been granted permission to have a child. But

(23:19):
lawyers for her say, listen, just because you're in jail,
women do not surrender the right to have a child.

Speaker 5 (23:27):
Deprivation of liberty, yes, but not you know, surrender of all.

Speaker 14 (23:30):
Your basic health care rights, you have the same as
anyone else. So she says, you're going to fund IVF herself.
She'll raise the child in jail until the child is
five and then hand her off to her own mother,
the child's grandmother. Well, I don't think too many people
are happy about it. I mean, you know, the court
has ruled this is fine, So I'm not sure exactly

(23:52):
where this goes from here. I mean, she has to
find a donor and get all the bits and pieces,
all the ducks go, you have to line up. Yeah,
but there's apparently nothing stopping her having IVY.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
I've ever heard it's got to be right up there. Yeah, no,
its absolutely mental. Yeah, the courts have gone nuts. Hey Imus,
thank you for that. Appreciate it. Murriol's Australia corresponded, How
mad is that?

Speaker 4 (24:14):
So?

Speaker 3 (24:15):
What's the court is? The court decided here that the
woman's right to have a baby outweighs the right of
the baby to not be raised in a jail. You psychos. Anyway,
So here we go. Do you remember when just sindadu
and stood up there, Oh, don't don't get triggered, Just
calm your deep breaths, steep breaths. Okay, do you remember
when she got up at the one pm podium and
she said that's the single source of troth. And remember

(24:38):
she did that because it was all this other dust
and muscin for marsha that was out there, and she
didn't want us to get She didn't want us to
believe any of that fungal source of troth. The report
has said today that was actually quite unhelpful. Well that
submitsters have said it was unhelpful, and the report has
repeated that. The report says the phrase was frequently quoted
in submissions as something that contributed to a sense of

(24:59):
mistrust to right. Very so in retrospect you're like, what,
how it was a stupid thing to say? It really was. Anyway,
Barry Soaper is going to be with us next and
talk us through what he thinks of all of this Quarter.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
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get payments.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
Certaindy Williamson, thank you. Somebody's text through Williamson is out
for ninety three Bob By Atkinson, Court By Crawley. So
if you were taking Darcy water Grade's betting advice, you'll
be regretting that now. It's twelve away from five and
Barryso for senior political correspondence with us. How Barry, good afternoon.
What do you make of the report?

Speaker 12 (25:33):
Well, it's fascinating, like you've had in the head, fairly
well buried in it reading it and gives us a
very good you wouldn't say snapshot at seven hundred pages,
but a good view of how people felt about the lockdowns,
the mandates, and you know they I think the feeling
was well, I don't think I know that they were

(25:54):
too broad and too harsh. That's the mandates and the lockdowns.
But it's incredible and you consider the amount of people
sixteen hundred people were heard from by this Royal commission.
They held four hundred meetings up and down the country,
thirteen thousand submissions were made, and that just to me

(26:15):
shows you how charged the population was. And I remember
thinking at the time, if you want to know what
it's like to live in a totalitarian state, New Zealand
was that, and particularly and I heard you mentioning at Auckland.
Auckland was lockdown for so long. People were so frustrated
in this setting. Adurne never once, only once after I

(26:37):
got back to Wellington, and said, what's your electorate Mount Albert.
Why don't you go back there and see what your
constituents feel about this lockdown? They had no idea living
in Wellington anyway, I won't work so.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Up and to finish your sentence, then she came back.
Then she did come back the following week, like a
matter of hours.

Speaker 12 (26:55):
Afternoon, a sure afternoon visit and to a factory that
was open during the COVID lockdowns, and in fact to
a Pacific event in the afternoon, went back to Wellington.
I'm sorry. That's about the level of commitment that the
Prime Minster made as of tonight. Of course, Tony britt
Blakely his work is done and he's his Phase two

(27:18):
of the inquiry will be more specific.

Speaker 16 (27:21):
The phase two will actually be contrary to what you
might hear from some people, narrow in as terms of reference,
which I'm fine about, but just to be clear, and
we'll be focusing more on some aspects of vaccine mandates,
of lockdowns and the new area of vaccine safety and harm.

Speaker 10 (27:37):
So that's where they will focus.

Speaker 4 (27:39):
I've actually got another job I've got.

Speaker 16 (27:40):
To get back to, and I committed to doing the
inquiry as it was initially set up. I don't think
the current government particularly wanted me to be around for
the Phase two.

Speaker 12 (27:50):
I really like Tony Blatley. I think he's I think
to down.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
I think Tony's been unfairly maligned because he's been painted
as some sort of a toady for the Hipkins and
our doing government, and he never was. We would often
actually have a chat to him in his capacity as
a critic of what was happening. Yes, yeah, so I
feel sorry for the guy. Anyway. Listen on the nurses,
Why are so few nurses actually getting jobs?

Speaker 12 (28:14):
Well, this is fascinating because there was a pool of
nurses eight hundred and forty four of the sixteen hundred
and nineteen graduate nurses yesterday, only fifty percent of them
were placed. Other health providers would have had the opportunity
from today to offer jobs to the remaining seven seventy nurses.

(28:37):
And yeah, this isn't a time when we're told that
we're have got such a shortage of nurses, but it
seems that most of them want to work in hospitals
and not for age care. And the like incentives of
up to twenty thousand dollars are now being offered to primary,
community and age care people who hire them to get

(28:59):
nurses into those jobs. But basically the problem was that
we opened the immigration gates to foreign nurses and they
flooded into the country. In fact, it was an amazing
statistic I read today about it. Around three thousand nurses
were hard last year, meaning Health New Zealand now employed

(29:22):
thirty five thousand nurses, which is extraordinarily.

Speaker 15 (29:26):
Isn't u a number?

Speaker 12 (29:26):
You've never got enough bough and they've got the lowest
turnover for some considerable time. And that's the problem. Now,
these young graduates who put in three years training to
become a nurse, graduate expecting obviously because of all the
publicity surrounding shortages and hospitals, yeah, can't get a job.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
It's bizarre.

Speaker 12 (29:46):
It's really hard on them.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
I think really quickly. I don't have a lot of time.
What do you make a Candice Owen's being banned.

Speaker 12 (29:51):
I think it's blatantly ridiculous. I mean, this woman has
views that a contrary to many of the views that
were you.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
Are it's not are we banded? Why the Australians, the Australians.

Speaker 12 (30:05):
The Aussies and I talked to the Free Speech Union
this afternoon about it. They're going to appeal directly to
the Minister Erica Stanford, and I can't for the life
of me see Erica Stanford upholding this band from Immigration
New Zealand based on what Australia did. And if she did,
I'm sorry, Immigration New Zealand. You know, what point is

(30:27):
it for them to even be involved in something like this.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
Because the Aussies made a dumb decision. Yeah, I think
it's it is a dumb decision. Thanks very much, Barry
So sing your political correspondence even away from five, putting.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
The tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking.

Speaker 7 (30:42):
Breakfast, we have the first bit of the COVID inquiry done.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Out going COVID inquiry. She here.

Speaker 7 (30:46):
Tony Blakeley is back with this.

Speaker 8 (30:48):
The mandates and the comments you've made about the mandates.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Is that a change of mind on your part or not?

Speaker 17 (30:53):
Ah, it's an evolution.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
I think we've all learnt a lot.

Speaker 11 (30:56):
What I will say at this.

Speaker 17 (30:57):
Point is that mandates are sort of a top shelf thing.

Speaker 8 (31:00):
You should only really be using them when you absolutely
have to. And we've got a lot to say about that.

Speaker 4 (31:04):
The report, and.

Speaker 16 (31:05):
I think for a lot of us around the world
are learning that those mandates might have.

Speaker 4 (31:09):
Gone a bit too far for a bit too long.

Speaker 16 (31:11):
It's a very delicate balance and a future pandemic, which
is what we're really focused on now.

Speaker 18 (31:15):
You can't rule out the need for doing mandatory measures again.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
the Rain Drove of the Lawn News.

Speaker 19 (31:23):
Talk z B.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
Yeah, they're just inder statement that she and her government
with a single source of truth just triggers me, Sue,
And there's many o's and that so too much. Well,
thank you. A lot of things trigger a lot of
people about this particular topic. So we're going to try
and keep a little bit calm. But we are speaking
to Chris Hopkins after the news and we're going to
try and keep it keep that calm too, So we'll
all try and keep calm to we can get zen together. Okay,

(31:44):
before we do it, now, what has happened with Candace
Owens is that so you will remember Australia banned Candace Owens.
She's the one who is like, no, I hate over
using the word because it seems to only apply to
one side of the political debate. But she's reasonably controversial
in some of her views, I think fair to say anyway,

(32:05):
she's been banned from Australia, and Immigration New Zealand have
now taken their time but finally decided also to ban
her or not give her a visa. And the reason
apparently is because that section fifteen of our Immigration Act
requires Immigration New Zealand to ban people. If those people,
if anybody's been banned from Australia, we've got to ban
them too, and there's no discretion. Now the Free Speech
Union does not buy this, and so as a result

(32:26):
they are thinking about taking some legal action. They're going
to be with us after half past five on that.
We're going to keep an eye for you on that
mob Tonguey that's going on at the moment in a
Toe Dunger. I don't know if you've seen it, but
they are the mongrel mob bless for the first time
in their lives, are actually respecting the new laws. And
they've taken all their T shirts off, so not walking
around in the muney mob t shirts, which of course

(32:49):
means that what you're getting an eye full of is
their sexy bodies and are also their mongrel mob tattoos
all over them sexy bodies. So anyway, there are downsides,
there are downs It turns out there is a downside
to the gang patch ban. Anyway, good on them for
at least trying. Chippy next.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
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Speaker 5 (33:24):
They'd be.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
Good afternoon. The first part of the Royal Commission inquiry
into the COVID response has been released and it is
critical the Auckland lockdown went on too long, just into Ardurn,
referring to themselves as the single source of truth was
described as unhelpful by some who submitted, and the vaccine
mandates were used too broadly and for too long. Now
Chris Hopkins is currently the Labor Leader, was of course

(33:47):
the Health Ministry at the time. Chippy, Hello, you had
a chance to read some of this.

Speaker 15 (33:52):
I've only had a chance to read this, you know,
the summary report, which is about one hundred and twenty
pages long. I will sort of make my way through
the full report in Duke course, do you think?

Speaker 3 (34:01):
So, let me just bring you up to speed with
I think what is the most critical part in this report,
and this is around the vaccine mandates. They say the
vaccine mandates went too far and the vaccine mandates were
held too long. Would you agree with that?

Speaker 2 (34:14):
I mean.

Speaker 15 (34:15):
One of the challenges with a report like this, of course,
is that they're drawing on information with the benefit of hindsight.
So the issue around whether the vaccine mandates went on
too long draws on information that wasn't available to us
when we made decisions.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
No, that's not true. It's information that you did have,
and the quoting cabinet papers that you had.

Speaker 15 (34:31):
Well, I mean, but they're also making conclusions like, for example,
the information about whether the transmissibility of omicron versus delta.
That information wasn't clear always at the time that we're
making those decisions. But actually, an answer to your questions,
to be really specific, do I think the vaccine mandates
went a bit too wide? Yes, I actually accept that finding.

Speaker 11 (34:54):
And so yes, and too long?

Speaker 10 (34:56):
That too long?

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Too long?

Speaker 15 (34:58):
I haven't had a chance to read that, Chippy, so
I do want to do that before I thought that.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
You had a cabinet briefing on the twenty second of
January twenty two and it said vaccines show reduced effectiveness
against the omicron variant compared to delta. So you knew
in January twenty two that it wasn't going to work
as well and that the mandates weren't going to work
as well, and yet you guys kept the mandates in
place until September twenty two.

Speaker 15 (35:22):
Well, but I mean that's only one paragraph or one
sentence out of what was quite a long and detailed
briefing about me.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
But you would have read it because it had This
had material effect on Kiwi's lives and jobs, right, so
you would have been when you were weighing up as
the Health Minister whether to recommend the mandates. This would
have been fundamental to your decision.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
Of course.

Speaker 15 (35:41):
And actually, you know, we're weighing up a whole lot
of factors at the time. None of these decisions were
easy and none of them were straightforward. Every one of
them involved, you know, quite a difficult set of trade offs.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
So what's and do you know what, Actually, thank you
for raising that because I've been trying to figure out
what the trade off was right here. You guys are
sitting in cabinet. You know the mandates are not going
to work now that you've got omicron, and yet you
keep them in place.

Speaker 5 (36:04):
Why.

Speaker 15 (36:05):
Well, ultimately, we were trying to make sure that ass
as you know, COVID nineteen spread in the community. That is,
fewer people got critically ill and as fewer people died
as possible.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
But what's the trade off, Chippy? Because it says they
say to you, it's not going to work as well,
So what why did you keep it?

Speaker 4 (36:24):
Well?

Speaker 15 (36:24):
Right the way through the pandemic response, there were difficult
trade offs. I mean if you had to take in
the view that you know that there was no price
worth paying and to be able to save someone's life.

Speaker 10 (36:35):
We would have made different decisions all the way along.

Speaker 15 (36:38):
Much of the information that's available now to look at
things in hindsight wasn't. Wasn't information that was as readily available.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
That's not true. I just quoted you information you had
at the time. Chippy listened, you know what I actually
think you as the health minister. Oh a lot of
people in apology for them losing their jobs, don't you?

Speaker 7 (36:57):
Well?

Speaker 15 (36:58):
Yeah, that, like I said, not all of the information
was available at the time.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
You can't use that excuse because I literally just read
you something that was a cabinet briefing that you would
have read. So do you not think that you owe
people in apology?

Speaker 15 (37:08):
Well, I want to read the report first before I
make any decisions about that.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
So you're going to read before I've read the report.

Speaker 5 (37:15):
So okay, and I'm being as accessible to you as positive.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
Come on, I mean, here's the thing. I've never read
this cabinet briefing before. I've read it in this report,
and it is clear to me you have read this
cabinet briefing before you made the decision. This is not
news to you. This is stuff you already know, So
you should already know whether you owe people in apology
or not.

Speaker 15 (37:36):
You're you're quoting one sentence out of a report that
was written three years ago, So I want to read
the full report before I make a conclusion on that.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
If you read the report and you come to the
same conclusion as I do, are you going to apologize
to all of those Kiwis who lost their jobs because
of a decision that you made?

Speaker 15 (37:54):
Well, as I said, I mean I think that I
already accept one of the findings of the report, which
was that the Mandates went too far. So I've already
said that, but I want to read the full before
going any further than Man.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
Now, listen, where's your mate j Cinda? Is she going
to front up about this stuff?

Speaker 15 (38:11):
I think I haven't spoken to it, so I don't know.
You don't have to ask you that question yourself.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Okay, we will, Chippy, Thank you, appreciate your time. All right, cheers, Thanks,
Chippy really appreciated that. As Chris Hopkins labor leader. Okay,
Blundell's but this, by the way, we're talking about the
cracket now, just just to change subject, quite a jarring change. Cricket.
Blundelle is gone out for seventeen, so the score is

(38:34):
now two hundred and forty seven for six. I'm going
to get you an update on the water situation with
the Arsenic next five to twelve. Heather, my partner is
still unemployed because of losing his job from the Mandates
due to his age at the time that he lost
his job. Thanks. So that's quarter pass and we'll come
back to some more texts because there's a lot of
texts coming in on this because a lot of people
were affected by quarter pass. Now more water testing has

(38:55):
been done after elevated levels of arsenic were found in
the Wayitkattle River yesterday. This of course affects the water
are in Auckland and also in Hamilton water Is the
authorities tell us still safe to drink. Arsenic levels are
only slightly above the maximum acceptable value and Mark bourne
Is water Cares, chief operations officer with us.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Now, Hey, Mark, Hey, good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
The results that you've got today still showing it's safe
to drink, Yes.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Yes they are.

Speaker 18 (39:18):
In fact, we're just about to share some good news
but a little bit more widely with the public. We
just received today's result and for Auckland the result now
is down and back within the allowable limits for the
drinking water standards.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
When did you guys realize the first time that the
water levels at the arsenic levels are a little too high?
How long has it been like this?

Speaker 4 (39:43):
We've got our result on.

Speaker 10 (39:47):
The twenty sixth of.

Speaker 18 (39:50):
In the afternoon of the twenty sixth, and we immediately
communicated that result with Tamata Roi and then in the
following morning, once we're validated that result, we then got
straight on the telephone to talk to the other users
up and down the river to see where anyone else
was experiencing the similar results that we were getting, and

(40:11):
at that point we're able to confirm that there are
other parties seeing these very unusual results.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
Okay, so you found out afternoon of Tuesday, you told
everybody else Wednesday morning, that's yesterday morning. When did you
tell us?

Speaker 5 (40:26):
There?

Speaker 18 (40:26):
Was very important. Once we identified that there were a
number of agencies seeing those things, we thought it was
very important that a coordinated and concise message went out
to the public. We really didn't want to confuse people
by different people saying different things, so we thought it
was very important that a coordinator result that came out.
So it was yesterday evening when a release was made

(40:46):
publicly available and we were able to update our website
with all the relevant information.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
Mark, did you do it because the rumors were already
out on social media that there was arsenic.

Speaker 10 (40:55):
In the water.

Speaker 18 (40:57):
I'm not aware of any rumors that were our but no,
we did it as soon as we're able to. As
I said, it's really important to have a concise and
coordinator response because we really wanted to eliminate that confusion.
That might be out there if everyone's talking differently.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
Yeah, I reckon it's slightly problematic. Don't you think it's
slightly problematic that we didn't know from you guys when
you guys had known for what it seems like a
day and a half.

Speaker 18 (41:23):
No, I don't think that's the case at all. I
think it's really important to remember that there was never
any acute public auth risk. I think we can take
reassurance by the guidance provided by both the Water Service
Authority and National Public Health Service.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
I'll tell you because you obviously didn't know what was
going on on social media yesterday, but I was getting
texts from people asking me what's up with the rumors
about arsenic in the water that was coming through at
five o'clock in the afternoon, two hours and two and
a half hours before you went public with it. Somebody
went on social media and said that her stepmum's boss
was telling them that there's arsenic in the water somebody
else's I don't know, auntie or something. The rumors had

(41:57):
spread so widely that some super m it's already selling
out of water hours before you even went public with it.

Speaker 18 (42:05):
As I say, I really can't comment on things I
don't know about.

Speaker 5 (42:08):
No, No, I didn't. It wasn't aware.

Speaker 18 (42:10):
I mean, my responsibility clearly is as chief operations officer
to do my diligent best to ensure the water remains
safe to drink for.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
Aucklander's Okay, have you figured out what caused it?

Speaker 2 (42:21):
No, we haven't.

Speaker 18 (42:21):
We're working very very closely out to say, with all
the agencies involved, and in particular with the Waikato Regional Council.
They are undertaking a range of test results today up
and down the river. We've been able to share our
results with the other agencies further up the river and
that'll help identify where, when and what might be causing this.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
All right, Hey, thanks very much, Mark appreciated. Mike Bourn,
Chief Operations Officer at Water Care.

Speaker 4 (42:48):
Ever du for se l A nineteen five five.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
Now listen quickly on what happened. What's happening this weekend
with Labor. Now, Labour is going to vote. The Labor
Party members are going to vote whether they're going to
ban captain's calls. Most recent captain's call was Chris Hopkins
last year as the Labor Party leader and Prime Minister
going into the election when he decided to rule out
the Welsh tax that David Parker was so keen on.
Former Labor Minister Stuart Nash is with us on the say, stute,
how are you, Heather? I'm very well, thank you? Do

(43:12):
you reckon you ban the Captain's call or no?

Speaker 8 (43:14):
Absolutely not rich interesting to do. Well, keep in your
mind that the Prime Minister or the leader of the
opposition probably has more staff and a more macro outlook
on what's tappening over the general economy from a political
spectrum than anyone else. You've got to empower your leaders
to be able to make calls that he or she
thinks are in the best centrists of both the party
and the country.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
I mean, this is one region putting it up right,
So it's Region one Auckland and Northland. It's probably going
to get voted down, isn't it, because it hasn't got
the support of I doubt it's going to have the
support of the MPs, hasn't got the support of the
Policy Council's an idea going nowhere, isn't it.

Speaker 8 (43:47):
Well, it's really good. The concentrating on the just is
that are important, like healthcare, economic development, and in all
these other things and cost of living. But I think
I'll probably get voted down because of going why are
we you disempower the leader of your party to make
a call that he or she thinks is in the
best of the party. And keeping in mind, you know,

(44:07):
the prime minister or the lead of the opposition, they
often lived and died by the Captain schools. If they
make a good one, then fantastic. They make a bad one,
then you know, they're often in a lot of trouble.
So these things aren't made in isolation. They're usually done
with a lot of consultation with key advisors anyway, but
certainly with the lead of believing that they're making the
best call for the party.

Speaker 5 (44:27):
Are have you?

Speaker 3 (44:27):
Have you had a chance to read this COVID inquiry?
Are you going to come out of it looking okay?

Speaker 20 (44:32):
Not yet?

Speaker 8 (44:32):
But I heard your trippy on your Arseolf.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
Jesus A lot of things that just came out of
your mouth. It might get me in trouble, but the
thing is here that is you know.

Speaker 8 (44:42):
I mean, obviously I was around the cabinet table the
whole time that COVID the COVID response was in play.
You know everyone is wise in hindsight. We were a
cabinet that was faced with a whole lot of really
difficult decisions to make in a pandemic where there were
no rules. And sure, at hindsight we knew, you know,
we discussed this, We knew that there were things that
in mihndset you probably do differently. But do you know

(45:04):
anyone who died of COVID?

Speaker 4 (45:05):
You don't?

Speaker 3 (45:06):
Yes, Oh it wasn't in New Zealand?

Speaker 4 (45:10):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (45:10):
This is important that it's a New Zealand.

Speaker 8 (45:12):
Okay, yeah, I know so. I remember I was in
my classom during all that time, of course, and he said,
you should be doing what Stockholm did, You should leave
the economy open. Well, if we've done the same as
Stockholmer done or Sweden it done, then then there would
have been about five thousand people.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
Hang on, hang on, hang on, before you start going
down this path, Stewart Nash, how many Okay, have you
had a look at Stockholm's Have you looked at Sweden's
COVID debts in comparison to ours?

Speaker 8 (45:36):
I was looking at them. Mind, Now we did a
really good people people have very short memories.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
No, no, But now I'm asking this because I'm going
to tell you something. Do you realize that we have
caught up to the global average on COVID debts. We
haven't saved anybody that weren't going to die?

Speaker 8 (45:51):
Oh of course we have no Back then, we didn't
know what the hell was going on.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
Now give me this disinformation and misinformation.

Speaker 8 (45:58):
Don't you expread disinformation here?

Speaker 3 (46:02):
I'm giving you actual data. Hey, listen, ste thanks very much.
Ed appreciated that. Stuart Nash, former Labor Minister. I'll talk
you through those figures if I get a chance at
some stage. Five twenty two.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
It's the name you trust to get the answers you need.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
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let's get connected and news talk because they'd be okay.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
Five twenty five. Listen, what I'm about to tell you
is not flattering to me, but I'm going to tell
you this anyway. And even though I come out of
this looking dumb. Last night we spoke to the water
authority guys, right, one of the water safety guys about
the arsenic and the water in Auckland and Hamilton. And
immediately afterwards I jumped in the car after work and
I went to the supermarket and I went to buy
some water, and I did that even though Steve Taylor,

(46:43):
the water safety guy, told me it was completely safe
to drink the water in Auckland, I still went and
bought some water from the supermarket. And while I was
buying the supermarket water, I was hoping nobody noticed that
I was doing it, and I was interrogating. I was embarrassed,
and I was interrogating myself about why I was doing
this irrational thing. And the reason I was telling myself
was because I'm pregnant and I have to take care
of what I put in my mouth, obviously, But the
truth is, I knew that wasn't the truth. The truth is,

(47:04):
really I don't trust authorities anymore like I used to
a few years ago, and even if they tell me
that's something safe, I'm not entirely sure that I believe them.
So I'm going to take matter into my own hands.
And part of the reason why I did that yesterday
was because I already I knew that these guys had
sat on this information for a little while yesterday, because

(47:25):
we were actually chasing them for quite a bit yesterday
afternoon to try to get them on the show, and
now we find out from water Care they actually knew
that there was arsenic in the water on Tuesday afternoon,
and they didn't tell us until Thursday or Wednesday. Wednesday
night seven forty twenty to eight is the first time
that water Care went public with it. The water Safety

(47:46):
Guy's went slightly earlier, so a day and a half
they sat on it before they went to the public.
We actually found out from social media because someone's stepmum's
boss reckoned that there was too much arsenic in the water. Now,
I think that's a really bad way to find out
that something's up that might be slightly alarming, to find
out on social media through rumors and people texting each

(48:06):
other trying to find out and supermarket shelves being cleared
of water. I think authorities undermine a lot of trust
when they sit on information that they should get out
there as soon as public, as soon as they possibly can.
And part of the reason I think that we are
susceptible now to being really picky with authorities is because
we lost a lot of trust and authorities during COVID.
I mean, a lot of us packed holes and what

(48:28):
they were saying found out they were telling FIBs, FIBs
about people, the women going to Northland, fibbs about Charlotte Ballas,
fibbs about the KFC worker with holding information, holding lockdowns
longer than they needed to. And it's ironic that I'm
telling you the story on the day that the COVID
report lands and vindicates a lot of what we were
concerned about and says Na, actually, you guys were right.

(48:49):
They did actually know things and they didn't act on them. Anyway,
I'm not telling you this because I'm advocating for you
to ignore authorities at all. I'm telling you this so
that you understand perhaps why you might be feeling same
as me, maybe doing some irrational things like going out
and buying water. And I'm also telling you this that
their authorities understand the level of ground that they have

(49:10):
to make up with us to earn our trust back.
And what Water Care and the water authorities did yesterday
that's not helpful.

Speaker 4 (49:16):
Heather Dupersy allen whether.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
The biggest mistake of the government's COVID response was that
they flatly refused to adjust as the science evolved. Essentially,
they continued with their fear tactics for a full three years.
That's from Greg Hither. It's not hindsight when people were
telling them it was wrong at the time. They're arrogant.
Then they're arrogant now. Richard says, that's why I drink beer,
presumably to avoid the arsenic. Hey, we're going to talk

(49:40):
next to the Free Speech Union about suing over Candice Owens.

Speaker 4 (49:45):
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Speaker 1 (49:50):
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Speaker 4 (49:54):
News talk as they'd be.

Speaker 19 (49:56):
Donald t me are the dover started?

Speaker 3 (49:58):
Wis whether I boil my water and filter it through
my coffee off? I thought you were telling me that
you boil your water to reduce the arsenic And I
was going to say, that's actually not a good idea
because if you google it, and the single source of
truth Google, obviously you'll find that, in fact, it increases
the concentration of the arsenic. So that's a bummer of

(50:19):
an idea. But at least you checking the coffee in
and the coffee definitely fixes everything. Hey, Solar zero, that's
been a really fascinating thing to watch play out just
the last day or so. Obviously in liquidation. Weird that
Solar zero has fallen over because it appeared that they
had actually quite a lot of money potentially available to them.
They had a credit line about one hundred and ninety
five million dollars. There was a loan from the government

(50:41):
available to them of one hundred and forty five million dollars.
They're owned by black Rock, which is a multi trillion
dollar company investment outfit in the US, so it's all
a little bit strange. Anyway. Mike is an employee of
Solar zero as of like two days ago. He is organizing,
by the looks of thing, protest outside back Rocks offices

(51:02):
the next few days. He's going to be with us
after six o'clock to talk us through it. Right now,
it's twenty two away from six du so, as we've discussed,
immigration has banned controversial American commentator Candace Owens from doing
her plans speaking tour in this country. Their reasoning is
because she has been banned by Australia, they have to
ban her from here as well. The Free Speech Union
doesn't buy that, and the boss, Jonathan Ailing, is with

(51:25):
us now.

Speaker 19 (51:25):
Hey, Jonathan, Good afternoon, Heather.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
They say they've got no discretion. Do you not buy that?

Speaker 4 (51:31):
Look?

Speaker 19 (51:31):
Section fifteen of the Immigration Act does require them to
exclude them, but that's if Candice Owens has committed a
crime of imprisonment of up to five years or has
been deported from the country or something like that. That
does apply. Whatsoever here she applied for a visa, wasn't
given it in Australia.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
Let me just get this right. So you're saying the
only point at which we have to ban somebody that
Australia has banned is if they've committed a serious crime
or been deported.

Speaker 19 (52:00):
There's a couple of technical definitions there, and so that's
what our legal team is getting into. And the conclusion
that they've come up with is that this threshold has
not been met here. And really Immigration New Zealanders looking
for a reason to be able to say it's out
of our hands, we can't do anything about it. In reality,
they absolutely can.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
So are you serious about your legal action?

Speaker 19 (52:24):
The more we look at this, the more we look
like the Crown Immigration New Zealand here has acted unlawfully.
And yes, we've definitely taken.

Speaker 8 (52:32):
Them to court.

Speaker 19 (52:33):
We're going to appeal to the Immigration Minister first though,
and the Associate Immigration Minister, Chris Pink is the one
who deals with the pel cases like that. For the
most part, I think Chris Pink has a clear head
on him and I think he's a strong pre speech advocate.
I hope you see sense on this one.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
Is are you able to appeal to him on Candace
Owen's behalf or does Candace Owens have to do the appeal.

Speaker 19 (52:57):
We're working with her people in Australia right now where
in communications, and that's what we're hoping to do before
the end of the week. Otherwise next week let's see
them in the High Court. I mean, I think the
standard that's been set here is just incredible. If the
Iranians don't like someone rushdie, do we now have to
shut him out as well? I mean, at what point
do we get to make these decisions for ourselves, especially

(53:19):
considering we know the very essence of the reason the
decision was made in Australia by her was because they
said we don't like her opinions. I just think it's
patently a terrible path to go down where governments and
even worse government officials get to choose what opinions we
get to hear.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
Are you doing this because you, Jonathan, really are desperate
to go along to her event or is it because
of the principle of free speech.

Speaker 19 (53:42):
I'm really glad you asked that, Heather, because while others
may not like me saying this, I have very little
time for Candice Ows. I don't find her particularly compelling,
and the fourth she's gone on, the more distasteful she's gone.
And I didn't think she was all that that sharp
to start with, and it's gone. We'll got on worse
from there. This is absolutely the principle that eventually someone

(54:03):
who I do really respect, who I do think is
really insightful, eventually a government at some point in the
future will want to lock them out as well. And
I need to have stood on the principal grounds now
in order to be able to call it out then
as well.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
Jonathan, thanks for talking to us through it to appreciate it.
Jonathan Ailing, the boss of the Free Speech Union.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
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Speaker 3 (54:26):
Us this evening for low Riley Iron Duke Partners and
former boss of the Business New Zealand and Richard Hill's
Auckland councilor hello you two here you are Phil very well,
thank you Phil. What do you reckon my chances of
getting an apology out of Chippya?

Speaker 17 (54:39):
I think about this this afternoon. I think the answers
are the answer is zero or less. But I think
and I hope that he and others in the government
reflect on what the Royal Commission has said today. Was
their Royal Commission, they set it up, they gave it
the terms of reference, so I hope they reflect on
it and give us a little bit more than the
statement that it was interesting or useful. I think you

(55:00):
said this afternoon, and he hasn't had a chance to
read the reports so all by that. But I hope
that they will reflect because I think a lot what
this report's about is healing. We need to heal the
divisions that have gone on in our society. We need
to move back to some sort of consensus on this medicine.
Sort of cohesion and some reflection from those who are
in charge at the time I think will be an
important part of that.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
Yeah, what do you reckon, Richard?

Speaker 6 (55:21):
Yeah, I think I haven't had a chance to read
or seven hundred pages.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
Just have you not just come from what have you
been doing with your day?

Speaker 6 (55:27):
That's all meetings. But yeah, reading the high level stuff,
it does point to things did go too far in
the end. I think it's clear that, you know, the
inquiry is saying that with the information they had and
the unknowns, you know, coming through twenty twenty twenty twenty one,
they were doing the best thing they possibly could. And

(55:47):
if you remember back then, everyone was demanding.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
More and more and more.

Speaker 6 (55:50):
I remember the ridiculousness around the border of from media,
from people on the street, from opposition parties. At the time,
everyone was kind of like do everything to protect and
then the public mood switched what felt like quite quickly,
but the government did not catch up with that sentiment,
especially with the how long the Auckland lockdown went and
also those mandates, like why did they have to continue

(56:12):
into twenty twenty two with omichron would delta? The vaccine
was actually really dampening that off, and then omnichron took off.
You know, I think we will look back at the
good things that they saved a lot of people if
you look around the world, but there's a lot of
hurt out there, clearly as seen through this commission.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
Yeah, I think Phil. You know, look, every one of
us knows, right, you never make it through through life,
or through a major project, or through anything really without
stuffing something up and needing to apologize to somebody for it.
And it wouldn't be the end. It would actually be
quite a good thing for them to say sorry to
people who are the most affected here.

Speaker 17 (56:47):
Yeah, I think so, particularly given or they sent me
the reflection. I think, I mean just this point, they
made decisions, but to reflect on it, to say what
they would have done differently, and perhaps to accept some
of the criticisms of the Royal Commission, because the point
that Richard makes is, you know, they did the best
they can. Well, look at the damage that was caused,
not just the damage to those who couldn't come home
to New Zealand, but the damage done to a generation

(57:08):
of you young people, mental health dam, damage in terms
of educational achievement, and damage to social cohesion, which the
Commission points out. I mean, the chances of us actually
agreeing as a country to go into another lockdown, I
think just basically zero. That's the damage that was done.
And I think that requires sensible reflection, because I think
that's the way if they're going to go, well, nothing

(57:29):
to see here, move on. I don't think that's going
to let people overcome the anger that they feel and
let them move on to say, Okay, well I'll live
with what happens in the future.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Yeah, Richard, have you changed your mind about the fact.
Have you at any point asked yourself whether the lockdowns
and the closed border was the right thing to do.

Speaker 6 (57:49):
At the very beginning?

Speaker 3 (57:50):
No, now, like in retrospect, have you ever sat down
and thought, hmm, I wonder if that was the right
thing to do, if we should have done to Sweden.

Speaker 6 (57:57):
Well, it's hard to like for me to say what
would have been the case, because you do look at
I mean, you go to American people are still wearing
masks and things because they all know people overseas who
lost family members on both sides of the couple through
So we didn't get that experience here, and it is
hard to it's hard to know what it would have
been like to lose tons of people and what you phil.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
Have you ever interrogated whether it was the right actually fundamentally,
whether that whole approach was the right approach I have.

Speaker 17 (58:27):
And you look at you look at what happened with
Sweden and some of those who took a more if
you're like a more kind of trusting approach to their citizens,
you'll look at the long run impact on those those
societies and those economies, the health of their children, the
health of their old people, and so on. You've got
to argue, in hindsight, maybe they had at least as
right as we did. Take that aside, though, New Zealand

(58:47):
is an island and it's always always an easy thing
for an honor just to close its borders. Particularly the
first few weeks, I think that was logical because we
just didn't know. Remember that we didn't We didn't know
what was going on here. People appeared to be dying,
there was there was an awful lot of stuff going
on in the press, so it probably was. But I think,
you know, a more trusting view of New Zealanders. We
can be trusted, We're not crazy, but people. And I

(59:08):
think that kind of more more balanced approach what have
actually seen us through. And I hope now that now
we see the long run costs to it, to our
society and to particularly young people. I hope that policymakers
will make some slightly different decisions. Ever that happens again, right, yes.

Speaker 6 (59:24):
Richard God I think if the twenty twenty one lockdown
didn't happen, we'd probably look at it very differently, because
you did look around the world, and I talked to
friends in Australia, America, the UK. They were locked down
and couldn't enter restaurants and couldn't have concerts while we
were out for the whole of twenty twenty almost doing stuff.
So at that time it seemed exacting.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
The mood kept up, everything.

Speaker 6 (59:45):
Shifted and then overseas shifted and we were all alone
worth And.

Speaker 3 (59:49):
Now we're pavo, aren't we? Because of what we did,
aren't we?

Speaker 6 (59:52):
Richard Lebrun's a little povo.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
But well we're more pavo than the rest of them,
aren't we. Okay, we'll take a break. Fourteen away from
six the Huddle.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
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Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Right, you're back with a huddle for Loow Riley and
Richard Hill's Richard, do you like the fake meat? Because
you've got another business that's gone under two of them
this year in New Zealand. What's the problem? Are we
not getting into the fake meat?

Speaker 6 (01:00:13):
I don't eat a lot of read meat anyway, but
I don't. I'm not a fan of the fake meat.
But I know a lot of people do like it.
There's the one in the commercial bay, which seems kind
of popular.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
So have you got friends who eat fake meat?

Speaker 6 (01:00:24):
Not friends? But you don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
Nobody has friends who eat fake meat. I don't have
any friends who eat fake meat.

Speaker 14 (01:00:28):
Do you know?

Speaker 17 (01:00:30):
I have very few friends fake meat. Fake meat for
me is about as pleasant as bicycling.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
You know.

Speaker 17 (01:00:37):
I look forward to fake meat as much as I
look forward to bicycling, and for the same reason, it's
uncomfortably healthy. But you know the so I know, I don't.
I don't need it. Having said that, fake meat, this
kind of this digital meat, whatever they're calling it, we'll
have a place. I mean, you'll see these startups come
and go as they move into this new world. But
a little churn up somewhere. I might turn up and
in food that you can't taste it or something. There

(01:00:59):
be some there be some breakthrough for it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
Phil, what's the point it's just checkpeas if you need
it to turn up in your food somewhere. Did you
check some chickpeas?

Speaker 17 (01:01:06):
Not precisely right, I mean I don't. That's why I
don't need it. No, I don't particularly like it. But
you know, it's it's it'll have a place somewhere and
it's likely to actually disrupt red meat production at some
stage in the future, if not now, then it's sometimes.
So we do need to prepare for it in New Zealand.
And the way to do that, of course, is to
make sure that our beautiful bloody steaks are the best
in the world so that people like you and I

(01:01:27):
can have.

Speaker 4 (01:01:28):
I not have we not?

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
Are we not providing enough evidence for you right now
that they will never disrupt red meat because all the
businesses that have tried to make fake meat are.

Speaker 17 (01:01:36):
Struggling well only in New Zealand, in the UK as well.

Speaker 6 (01:01:41):
The US is I think found it was about twenty
percent growth each year and then it stopped.

Speaker 17 (01:01:47):
Yeah, I mean, it'll be a niche for it somewhere.
I mean, that's that's the reality of it, because just
as there will be.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
For it'll be like it like it'll be like the
fond sets like there are still peoples with fondu sets?
Do you know what I mean? But most of us
don't you dear?

Speaker 17 (01:01:59):
Could his wife let people have?

Speaker 6 (01:02:01):
They let people choose?

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
I just call them out a fad. Hey, did you
go buy some water today, Richard?

Speaker 6 (01:02:09):
No, there is nothing wrong with our water. I drank
it last night, I drank it this morning. I drank
it right now in front of you. But yeah, there
is a slightly elevated level.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Of But how do you feel about the fact that
water can you on Tuesday and didn't tell us until
Wednesday night?

Speaker 6 (01:02:25):
I think they knew about the river and then they
wanted to test our watersplane. That's the way it happened.
So that's the way they told you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
But how do you feel about me finding out it
on social media?

Speaker 5 (01:02:34):
First?

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
From somebody's stepmum's boss.

Speaker 6 (01:02:37):
What did you want them to ring you?

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
I wanted them to put out a press release?

Speaker 6 (01:02:41):
Oh, I think that's where I heard it from.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
Yeah, obviously you didn't find out first from the rumors. Well,
I think I think if authorities know something, they should
make haste to let people know as soon as possible,
or they undermine credibility. Wind comes out on social media.

Speaker 17 (01:02:53):
Of course they did, because then they'll be chasing their
tails because some person with a tin hat will say
it's terrible and we're all about to die, and water
Auckland Water will say, oh no, that's not true. So
you're always chasing your tail. But here this is yet
another indication that the safest thing of all to drink
is of course beer. You should be thinking about on
that terms, you know, and getting it out to people

(01:03:16):
health product.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
Now you say beer and I know what you're actually
drinking is a good root buyer, isn't it.

Speaker 17 (01:03:23):
It's a little to it's the second option, you know,
Usnik there, I can see so no, but I think
you're idea that it is. It's the point that officials
get out there and say say something at least always
crazy people will say crazy things, and they'll be they'll
be chasing the totally.

Speaker 8 (01:03:37):
They did.

Speaker 6 (01:03:37):
They did put it out straight away without an announcement
because of probably they didn't want to announce it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
And they're not Richard Richard, No, they didn't. They were
just on the radio with us before and they said
they didn't put it out straight away. But that's what
stop telling now everybody's going to make it. It's going
to cover for them because I.

Speaker 6 (01:03:52):
Just want people to go to the water key website
to check about the water, because.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
People go to Waterkere website and they might tell you
in twelve days.

Speaker 6 (01:03:59):
People are the found out today gared and the water's fine.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
Yeah, thank you, Richard. You want to scare people, you
can either listen to Richard or you could do what
Phil said and just drink. You be a guys, Thanks
very much, Fell and Richard. Seven away from six.

Speaker 4 (01:04:11):
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Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
Hey, just a reminder. Five away from six, we're going
to have a chat to Mike, who's a former employee
at Solar zero. Might be able to shed some light
on what's gone wrong for that business and exactly why
they're going to be doing their protest. I yesterday, yesterday,
by the way, I've got a text, a text from
somebody called Max asking for the daily update please on
what's been going on with the gangs. And I said Tom,
the police don't put out an update every day on

(01:04:46):
the gang patches. And that was an absolute lie from me.
And unlike Chris Hopkins, I can say I'm sorry when
I tell her lie. So I'm sorry I told a lie.
I've got the update for you. So this is what
happened yesterday, yesterday, because we love it, we love the
we love the gangs getting their come up. And yesterday
in Auckland, the coppers were called to the Panmeer bus
and Pamel bus and railway station around nine thirty in

(01:05:08):
the morning and there was a chap there wearing a
head Hunter supporter's sweatshirt and T shirt. And you know what,
good on the people who called that into the police.
If you see the Headhunter's patch out there, call the coppers.
And so they turned up and he's going to court.
In the White Cuttle on Gray Street in Hamilton, a
chap who was wearing gang insignia stole some items allegedly
before fleeing in a vehicle. Someone called that in and

(01:05:29):
the cops arrested him and he's facing charges. Then in
the Bay of Plenty at nine thirty in the morning,
the police themselves saw somebody wearing a mongrel mob red
hat with the gang insignia on it while in a
shopping center on Brooklyn Brookfield Lane and Toadunger. So they
went and had a little chat to him and guess
what he also had with them? Apart from the hat,
he had an offensive weapon and some drug utensils, So

(01:05:50):
he will face charges. Then they did a couple of
vehicle stops and they found a couple of blokes wearing
gang patches and they will also face charges. And in total,
thus far, in the first seven days, the cops have
laid thirty four charges and see sixty two items of
gang insignia, and they've taken sixteen patches. And they've also
found some other stuff that they shouldn't have had on
their body, like weapons and I don't know, you know,

(01:06:14):
pea pipes whatever. So at this stage I'm thinking, I
don't hate this. How do you feel?

Speaker 4 (01:06:19):
Quite like her?

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
I quite like what they're up to. By the way,
if you haven't caught up on the school that's decided
to just call it a year for year thirteen, I'll
tell you about that shortly. News talks EB.

Speaker 4 (01:06:30):
Damn summer, what's up? What's down?

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
What were the major calls and how will it affect
the economy of the big business? Questions on the business
hours with hither Duplicy Allen and my Hr on News talksb.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
Even in coming up in the next hour, Sem Dickie's
going to talk us through how the big retailers are
doing a black Friday. Just around the corner tomorrow. Obviously,
Liam Dan is going to take a look at whether
the big banks are actually passing on the full ocr
cup from yesterday. What was the head off to the UK?
It's coming up eight past six now. Former staff of
solar panel subscription business Solar zero are planning to protest

(01:07:14):
outside the multinational investment company company black Rocks office Auckland
Office tomorrow after black Rock unexpectedly put Solar zero into liquidation. Now,
in twenty twenty, a fund managed by black Rock became
Solar Zero's sole shareholder, and earlier this week Blackrock then
made the decision to liquidate the business. Mike is an
ex employee of Solar Zero.

Speaker 11 (01:07:33):
Hey Mike, Hi, Heather, how are you?

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
And well thanks mate? What are you guys going to
be protesting?

Speaker 7 (01:07:40):
Look?

Speaker 21 (01:07:40):
I think Heather, there's a sort of the main theme
we want to try and get across. As you know,
we were made redundant four pm on Tuesday. No redundancy,
no notice periods, no holiday pay. We have a significant
number of our star that live week by week. We've

(01:08:02):
got a number of work permit holders. The desperation and
the frustration from these guys is just it's so heartbreaking.

Speaker 11 (01:08:10):
It's not funny.

Speaker 21 (01:08:12):
You know, You've got an eleven trillion dollar company, foreign
investor which we're trying to attract establish themselves in New
Zealand this year, the setup offices beginning of the year,
and within a year they have pretty much screwed over
one hundred and sixty five people plus plus all our
subcontractors and whatnot. So what we're essentially aiming to get

(01:08:37):
is what is owed, which is the holiday pay that
constitutes around it's around about one point four million. Notice
period for those staff would be around one point six million.
We have about three hundred thousand dollars outstanding with our contractors,
and then our subcontractors which is our field service providers

(01:08:59):
all around the country are owed in total around six
hundred grand. And you know these guys are some of
them are small operators and this this could actually you know,
cause cause them to fold.

Speaker 5 (01:09:10):
So it's really worrying.

Speaker 21 (01:09:12):
And what it does is, I think is that if
we let this, let this go go by, I think
it's it's a really dangerous president for other foreign investors
coming in thinking that they can treat New Zealand citizens
and work permit holders like crap.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
Now, now if I added that up correctly, then you're
saying that in total the amount od is about four million.

Speaker 21 (01:09:34):
About four million, yeah, which jump change for these.

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
Quite for black Rock, which is you know, worth close
to what twelve trillion US dollars, four million is absolutely nothing, Yeah,
and you want them to make good.

Speaker 21 (01:09:47):
Absolutely, It's an ethical thing, you know, I think, you know,
even if the simplistic wave and look, I'm not a
financial person by any stretch of the imagination, but be
sort of the black Rock, by the debt from the guidata,
they can pay the staff without any you know, avoiding
any arguments around priority payments.

Speaker 11 (01:10:07):
And stuff like that.

Speaker 21 (01:10:07):
And it really, as much as it's really sad to
see Solar zero fold, this will at least, you know,
keep the walls from the door for a little bit
for these guys. And when we have to, you know,
remember this is literally the worst time to be made
redundant a one month out from Christmas. You know, these guys,
I just I actually see potentially some some really awful

(01:10:31):
things coming coming out of this if it can't be resolved.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
So what's gone wrong for the business? Because, I mean,
this was something that was supposed to be doing really
well and at one hundred and ninety five million dollars
in credit lines, government had opened a facility of one
hundred and forty five million for them. So what's gone wrong?

Speaker 21 (01:10:46):
I think from from someone who wasn't in the in
the financial side of things, in very sort of middle management,
you know, we think the staff were incredibly passionate. They
really wanted a really positive outcome for customers. Was quite
a complicated setup in order to be able to get
that that financing facility and create you know, these this

(01:11:09):
energy service that you know would save customers. You know,
I think the average savings over twenty years and now
our twenty five year contract was around twenty grand, you know,
fixing in your up to ninety percent of your of
your electricity. You know, such a good thing, right and
sort of because over time energies prices are increasing at

(01:11:30):
least five or six percent a year in the country,
but we just I think look, I think personally, I
think there was probably things could have been handled a
bit better with exec I think we also too, We're
very close to being break even by the end of
this financial year, you know, June next year. But for

(01:11:52):
some reason the tap got turned off by black Rock
and decided to liquidate, which again I don't think is
that common in this country, and just yeah, really sad
state of affairs. I mean, they black Rock invested in
us because we're doing some some technology smarts that actually
know where else in the world's been done, and it's
you know, it's it's a real void, I think, you know,

(01:12:15):
and it's not great a great lot for solar in
New Zealand. We've only got a three percent solar penetration here,
so three percent of homes here have solar, whereas our
Ossie neighbors.

Speaker 11 (01:12:27):
Have thirty seven percent.

Speaker 21 (01:12:29):
And you know, this is it's just another kick in
the guts for a pretty pretty awesome, you know, energy
energy service that you know, could really really help.

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
Kiwi's Mike listen best of like the protests and thanks
for talking us through it. It's Mike who's a form
of solar zero employee. I I've just I've just been
by the way in the news break looking up the
deaths per million from COVID in New Zealand versus the world.
You might be interested in that if you think that
we've done particularly well. We haven't actually, so I'll run
you through that shortly. But I said, I need to
tell you about the school in Auckland now. The school

(01:13:02):
in Auckland is attracting attention because it's decided to end
the school year early for the year thirteen students, basically
because they're not turning up to school anymore, just rewarding
some bad behavior. So it's Takotako papa maori are all
here or Mangare, so it's basically kutakopapa in Mangare. Told
the students last week that their last day for the
school year is tomorrow. Originally it was supposed to be

(01:13:25):
December seventeenth, so that's basically another three weeks ish that
they've just gone noad. Don't worry, but don't worry about
the last three weeks. Don't worry about it. And the
reason is because apparently some year thirteen students hadn't been
coming to class and some are just not going to
their NCEEA Level three exams. So the school looked at
it went oh, well, they're not turning up to class,
not turning up to the exams. Let's write a letter
to the parents. They wrote a letter to the parents saying,

(01:13:47):
there is no purpose for them to continue to be
at KODA after the twenty ninth of November, your Tamaiti,
your child isn't contributing in any manner or way to
our KODA. Therefore, we have decided they may now finish
KODDA and be released early. And that's the end of
that interesting attitude. I I just wonder how I mean
that's I think that's probably at the extreme end of

(01:14:08):
educator negligence and educators just being like up whatever, they
don't really want to mind, who cares child scentered learning?
I feel like that's the extreme end of it. But
how much of that is how much of that how
much is that an insight into what's going on in
schools at the moment.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
Quarter past analysis from the experts bringing you everything you
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Speaker 4 (01:14:36):
They'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
Rowena Duncan's going to be shortly the viticulture add a
haut culture update right now, seventeen past six and everyone
as very excited as we know about the Reserve Bank
cutting the OCR, but other banks passing it on. Liam
Dan as The Herald's Business editor at large, it's been
taking a look at it, he lim, could I Heather,
So they passed.

Speaker 4 (01:14:55):
It all on or what?

Speaker 11 (01:14:57):
No, I haven't seen anything today. I mean, look, A
and Z went early with a bit of a cut
to fix the interest rates on Tuesday night, and I've
seen the banks now the banks more or less match that,
but that's like twenty basis points and it was before
the actual OCR cut they passed on the floating rates.
So and you get all the press releases about that

(01:15:19):
on the minute in fact that you know, they were
arriving before we'd even received the news just about. But yeah, look,
I know we're sort of thinking we're gonna get Nicola
Willis's words relief for you know, regular Kiwi mortgage holders
and all that sort of stuff, But not much, and
not unless there's a bit of competition brewing. It looks

(01:15:39):
like they've sort of all stared at each other and said, are.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
You going to cut them?

Speaker 11 (01:15:42):
And it's like, well, maybe we won't.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
But how much it was already priced in and had
been cut in advance.

Speaker 11 (01:15:48):
Well, that twenty basis points is about as good as
it's going to get.

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
I guess, right, is that the twenty basis points? Like,
have you measured from the last o CR cuts to
this OCR cup That whole duration is only twenty basis points?

Speaker 11 (01:16:01):
They did know, well, they passed through the full fifty
pretty well on the last one. And then I mean, yeah, look,
there are reasons that they will look to their overseas
borrowing costs having gone up because everybody's worried about, you know,
what Donald Trump might do to inflation in the US,
and so the bond yields are all up over there,
So that's lifted the borrowing costs, And yeah, I guess

(01:16:24):
the wholesale markets price a bit in, But then you know,
it's still it does still come back to competition. If
you had, you know, a keen bank ready to grab
a bit more competition, they might go. And if one
of them goes, and look, it could still happen. It's
only been just over twenty four hours. But I just
feel like if you were sitting there waiting, you know,

(01:16:45):
to cash in on the on the big great cut,
you know, fifty basis points is a double not much
there for you.

Speaker 3 (01:16:52):
So what's going on? Is it just because they don't
have to or is there something else that's playing into this.

Speaker 11 (01:16:57):
Well, I think it's a combination. So I don't want
to put it all on the banks. But because because
there are those international forces, they did all see it coming.
So we got out to any basis points, I guess,
starting on the Tuesday, and then then quietly sort of
and I'm sort of talking about the one year, one
year sort of fixed rate roughly, you know, one to

(01:17:17):
two year fix rates, where a lot of Kiwis are
Kew's are really more six months in a year at
the moment because they've stayed short because they're expecting to
see it come down. But you know, Adrianaws warned unfortunately
unless we see a change in the sort of the
global outlook, and you know, he does say, look, it'll
be nice if the banks were repaired to pass on

(01:17:38):
a bit of the margin. At this point, the margins
are still higher than the average pre COVID but unless
we see that, you know, it's going to take some
quite big cuts and they're talking about going down to
three with the ocr but it's not going to pass through.
That's another you know, one point two five percent, but
really it's not going to be that big a pass through,

(01:17:58):
So that sort of rate, it's a bit of problems,
a bit of a headwind for that interest rate lead recovery.

Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
I guess, yeah, interesting stuff. Hey, thank you very much.
I really appreciate that. Lim. That's Liam Dan, the Herald's
Business editor at large. Hither I was hearing from you
that you were going to announce the deaths per million. Okay,
let's do it. So you can go onto a website
yourself and you can actually check this out. But I've
done it for you. It's called our World and Data
and it's pretty reliable and they chart COVID deaths per

(01:18:23):
million across the world, across our region, Oceania, across New
Zealand and every other country you could possibly think of,
so you can go and have a look. So in
the world COVID deaths per million, So for every million
people that you've got there were eight hundred and eighty
let's round it up, eight hundred and eighty six COVID deaths. Now,
if New Zealand's strategy was awesome, and we'd done exactly

(01:18:44):
the right thing, and we'd save thousands and thousands and
thousands and thousands of lives, like Jasinda said, by closing
the borders and locking us down and having the mandates
and jab and forcing us to get jabbed and all
that stuff, then you would expect that we should have
a very very very low number of deaths per million, right,
because we save thousands of people.

Speaker 7 (01:19:00):
Right? No?

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
Not, So we have eight hundred and sixty nine COVID
deaths per million. Compare that to the world's eight hundred
and eighty six per million. So for every million people,
what's the difference there? They've gotten seventeen more people for
every million across the world that died than we have.
How many people we've got in New Zealand. I've got
five million, So what's that seventeen times five? That's sixty five,
isn't it? Six hundred and fifty six hundred and fifty?

(01:19:23):
Am I doing this right now? Sixty five? So we
saved from doing my maths, right, sixty five people by
doing everything that we did. That's how much better off
we are than the rest of the world. For five
million people. Sixty five people is what we saved. If
I'm day, I'm stand to be corrected because I will
remind you I did do Nceea maths, right, So I did.
I did New Zealand maths at school. So I'm probably shocking.

(01:19:45):
But as far as I can see, we have not
saved a vast quantity of people. By doing all the
things that we did and screwing our economy and letting
Adrian do all the things that he did. We only
saved maybe sixty five people above like, that's how much
we've got below the rest of the world. Just incidentally,
if you want to know, though we are doing quite
a bit better than Australia, they've got about one hundred people.
They may have lost five hundred more people than us

(01:20:07):
if you counting them up across the million. You know,
for five million people Sweden, those shocking. They just lost
thousands and thousands of people. But anyway that you go,
we actually didn't save that many people. Little six twenty three, whether.

Speaker 4 (01:20:17):
It's macro micro or just playing economics.

Speaker 1 (01:20:21):
It's all on the Business Hour with hither duplicy Allen
and my HR the HR solution for busy SMEs U STALGSB.

Speaker 3 (01:20:29):
Well, I was looking away. We lost another wicket in
the cricket. So we're three hundred and eighteen for eight
at the moment, got Sauthi and Phillips in there. At
the moment Phillips has got forty, so that's not bad.
That's or fifty three balls six twenty six. And with
me right now is Rowena Duncan of the country.

Speaker 5 (01:20:41):
Hey, ro.

Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
Row are you there? Oh, hey here, yes, I can. Oh,
thank god, the phone's work. Sorry about that. That was
operated era at my end. No, no, probably not, probably
somebody else. Anyway, Hey, listen, tell me what's going on
with the viticulture in the horticulture season. It sounds like
the good weather's been a great thing.

Speaker 22 (01:21:01):
Yeah, So flowering is actually two weeks ahead for Sauvignon,
Blanc and Marlborough because it's been really warm. So that
means they'll harvest about two weeks early as well. And
hooks bang Sorry, they're also running a full two weeks
ahead of normal. Cherries, apricots, apples are all rightening really well,
and we know how badly that area was hit with

(01:21:21):
Gabrielle a couple of years ago, so you know, anything
that's looking positive for them is going to be really
warming people's hearts, shall we say.

Speaker 3 (01:21:29):
And Marlborough as well.

Speaker 22 (01:21:30):
Where the best cherries are grown at Cherry Bank Orchard.
There they are reporting that things are ripening really well
ahead of schedule as well.

Speaker 3 (01:21:37):
But it's been a bit of a different story for
the South.

Speaker 22 (01:21:40):
Earlier this month there was a really bad invection frost
I believe it was, and that's kind of when you
get a bit of a blast shell, so it's cold
on top of cold, and often you know, when there
is a frost, we see the helicopters get up in
the air, we see the windmills and the fans come on.
But if there's no warm air to circulate and mix around,
it makes things really really check challenging, so that's when

(01:22:00):
they kind of turn on the sprinklers and try and
get a bit of a layer on the grapes. Unfortunately
some didn't have sprinklers down there in that bannock Burn
upper low Burn area, they got a bit of frost damage,
so that's part of the vintage loss, so leaves damaged.
They get them mini bunches before they start to flour
and become grapes. They can get burnt and they can
drop off as well. Cherries can handle a lower temperature,

(01:22:22):
but the grapes, it really can impact on them. So, yeah,
a bit of a challenge for them down there.

Speaker 3 (01:22:27):
Brilliant. Thank you for running us through it, roll. I
really appreciate It's Roe Duncan of the country. I'm going
to talk to Sam Dickie shortly about what's going on
with the big retailers because of course it's got Black
Friday tomorrow. You want to hear a crazy idea. Here's
a crazy idea for you. Milk. You know how we've
got the soy milk, we've got the almond milk, blah
blah blah. We've got a new milk, fish milk. It's
coming out of Indonesia because they haven't got enough cows

(01:22:49):
in some parts of the country, so they get in
the fish. They're deboning them, they're crushing them down, grinding
them into powder and then which is protein rich, and
then they're making milk by adding chocolate or strawberry to it. Yeah,
there we go another one for your coffee. Headline's next.

Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
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Speaker 4 (01:23:18):
Nice men.

Speaker 14 (01:23:24):
Stand these.

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
We're going to go to the UK and about ten
minutes so I'm got into Brady standing bike and this
is what did I say about about my maths education?
Seventeen times five is what I said. Sixty five, it's
not it's eighty five. I had to get Thank God
for calculators. I've got the calculator out and just disproved
myself totally. So we saved eighty five people. So yay,

(01:23:51):
now listen. Every year intot I EER, the Institute of
Economic Research and Business Desk, put out a summer reading
list for the Prime Minister. Of the current books that
they reckon deal with some of the biggest challenges facing
governments around the world at the moment, and the six
that they've recommended are and I'm going to tell you,
I'll give it to you an order of six to one. OK.
Six is a Radically Different World by Jonathan Boston, which

(01:24:13):
basically talks about how you relocate communities and stuff, so
it's dealing with climate change and adaptation rather than mitigation.
Five is The Crisis of Democratic Capitalism by Martin Wolf,
which explains the trouble that we're in in the Western
world as some people get wealthier and some people get poorer,
and the problems that that causes, like, for example, the
unhappiness that leads to the election of Donald Trump. Four

(01:24:36):
is a book called Innovation for the Masses by Neil
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take innovation innovative ideas and then actually make it work
for the country, make the country richer. Look at the
scandies for example. The book number three is The Spirit
of Green by a chap called William Nordthouse, which takes
a look at how to deal with environmental issues at

(01:24:56):
the moment. Book number two may contain Lies by alec
ed Alex Edmonds, which is how to deal with misinformation
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get the screens, the kids off the screens. How we
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(01:25:18):
on about it, but you do not need to take
my word for it. Look at the list that these
guys have put together for the Prime Minister number one,
the anxious generation. So if you're a parent, I will
say it to you again, make sure you read this
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Ellen san Dickia Fisher Funds is with us right now.

Speaker 10 (01:25:40):
Hey, Sam here, there are you doing.

Speaker 5 (01:25:42):
Hey?

Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
So we've got Black Friday sales already in full swing.
I want to know, I want to know what you
reckon about Black Friday? Are you getting involved in this?

Speaker 10 (01:25:50):
Not for me, but I mean it's really expanded.

Speaker 23 (01:25:53):
I mean it started off as a one day sale
in the US the day after Thanksgiving. It has expanded
around the world, and China in particular is taken to
the next level. So they've got Singles Day, They've got
six one eight, which is a mid year sale. They
got twelve twelve, which is a year in clean clearance sale,
got a Chinese New Year sale, a Woman's Day sales,
so they've gone a bit crazy with it.

Speaker 10 (01:26:13):
But retail revenue on these sales.

Speaker 23 (01:26:14):
Days is usually many, multiple times the size of a
normal October shopping day for example.

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
For Black Friday to work. Obviously, you need to have
consumers to actually have money. But do global consumers actually
have enough money this year?

Speaker 4 (01:26:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (01:26:29):
They do actually, So let's take retail sales as the
proxy is the start. So US retail sales are growing
three percent. Europe's healthy too, but the standout is actually China. Again,
retail sales growth had been running around two percent earlier
in the year, but remember we spoke a few weeks
ago about that big stimulus package and the consumers responded.

Speaker 10 (01:26:48):
So that that retail sales in China now has grown
about five.

Speaker 23 (01:26:51):
Percent, so they had direct stimulus like tax cuts for example.
Back home here the New Zealand consumers still shrinking slightly
as we know, but there forward looking indicator people focus on,
which is consumer confidence. And US and Aussie consumer confidence
is it as sixteen month high, and even New Zealand
consumer confidence is picking up, so that's positive. And the

(01:27:13):
other really important thing is the consumer balance sheet around
the world, and particularly in a place like the US,
is actually a lot healthier than it's been in many years.
So take US household debt to GDP for example, that's
the lowest it's been in fifteen years. So when we
hear about stretch balance sheets around the world, it's actually
governments that have stretch balance sheets, not the consumer.

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
Interesting, now does this I mean it's very competitive out
there for the retailers. Does this kind of thing benefit
the big players make them get bigger?

Speaker 4 (01:27:41):
It does?

Speaker 10 (01:27:42):
It really does.

Speaker 23 (01:27:42):
So if you take take the US again, you know
players like Walmart, Amazon, Costco, Soy, Target, and Boots Walgreens.
They account for over a trillion dollars in sales, or
twenty five percent of US retail sales. So four or
five players are a quarter of total sales, and they
all continue to grow faster. Not so much Target, by

(01:28:03):
the way, but Walmart, Amazon, and Costco continue to grow
faster than the overall system, so they continue to take
the market share.

Speaker 3 (01:28:11):
What does this mean do you think for consumers?

Speaker 24 (01:28:13):
Then?

Speaker 23 (01:28:15):
I think it's it's on the face of it's good news.
So why are these guys growing faster. They're using their
economies of scale to negotiate with suppliers, so they get
cheaper costs and they pass that on to consumers in
the form of cheaper prices. So Costco, which has got
its west Auckland Store is a great example. So their
mantra when you go and meet management, or they go

(01:28:35):
into any strategy meeting or they have any board meetings,
they never talk about how they can take more margin
out of us as consumers on board profit. They always
talk about how they can drive lower prices for us.
So because of that, and that's actually called scale economies
shared by the way, because of that, every time they
get a little bit bigger, they recycle that those profits

(01:28:56):
into lower prices for us, which means they they garner
more of our and that's why that the west Auckland
store is booming.

Speaker 10 (01:29:02):
So that's good news.

Speaker 23 (01:29:03):
Right, So that these big guys are very efficient at
driving down the price of goods, then we should benefit
as consumers.

Speaker 3 (01:29:10):
Yeah too, Right, what about investors? I mean, does this
mean you need to back the big guys?

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
I think so.

Speaker 10 (01:29:15):
So a few things to bear in mind there.

Speaker 23 (01:29:16):
So Black Friday itself can give us a early hind
to on how bullish we're all feeling around the world
as consumers heading into Christmas, that key Christmas period.

Speaker 10 (01:29:24):
This is sort of a one day sneak peak of that.

Speaker 23 (01:29:27):
The second thing is these big retailers are consolidating market
share and the smaller retailers are struggling. So I guess
when you're thinking about that, there's a lot of very
cheap looking from it, you know, a price to earning's
basis small retailers around the world. But just be careful
that the big guys continue to do well. And you
see that in their year prices. So Walmarts up seventy
five percent, year to day cost goes up another fifty percent,

(01:29:50):
and as Amazon's up forty percent, So it does seem
like the bigger getting bigger.

Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
Interesting. Hey, Sam, thank you so much as always, talk
to you again soon that Sam Dickie, official of Funds
are now off. The spinoff is one as a New
Zealand news website kind of aimed at a younger audience.
They've just put out a request today for people to
help them. Things are tough. I'm going to talk to
you about that shortly and we're also going to go
to the UK seventeen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:30:13):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you.
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Speaker 3 (01:30:24):
Hey, I've been talking to you about what various countries
are going to do with Benya Mignette Naho and the
arrest warrant that was issued by the ICC. The French
government has now clarified its position and basically said he
has immunity. So they're suggesting they're not going to arrest him,
and they reckon he's got immunity because Israel is not
a member of the ICC, and if Israel's not a
member of the ICC, it can't be how it can't

(01:30:45):
be held to the ICC standards. Therefore, doesn't sound like
they're going to arrest him and hand him over. Fourteen
away from seven and end of Brady our UK correspondence
with US.

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
Now, Hey, Ender, Hey have a great to speak to you.

Speaker 3 (01:30:56):
In Whose drones are these that are flying over the RAF.

Speaker 25 (01:31:01):
So we've had several incidents now ongoing for a week,
and the big suspicion is that this is being driven
by Russia. Now there's no evidence for this, but a
lot of people feel that this is low level interference
and it's Russia's response to those storm Shadow missiles, the
British made missiles that the UK gave Ukraine permission being

(01:31:23):
given from Joe Biden's administration for Ukraine to use storm
shadows to strike targets deep inside Russia. That happened last
week and out of nowhere, We've had lots of low level,
kind of really annoying things happen. There was a security
incident at Gatwick Airport, there was another at Houston Station
on the trains, and all week long, drones have been

(01:31:45):
flying in a coordinated fashion over four different ORIF bases,
and they just happened to be the RIF bases that
are used by the United States Air Force as well.
So you've got ORIF Lake and Heath and Mildenhall over
in Suffolk, and then you've got Fairford in law. To
sure we haven't been able to find who's doing this.
The authorities have brought in sixty extra military personnel. They're

(01:32:07):
using various different jamming technology to try and turn the
drones back on the user. But every day drones are
popping up at these air sites. It's very very worrying.

Speaker 3 (01:32:17):
Why don't they just shoot them out of the sky?

Speaker 2 (01:32:20):
Very good points, very good question. I think there's too
many of them.

Speaker 3 (01:32:23):
How many are there?

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
Dozens? Dozens and it's coordinating. Yeah, swarm of them, and.

Speaker 25 (01:32:31):
It's it's obviously look for two purposes. They could be
filming and recording and sending vision back to whoever the
recipient or the holder of the drone is. And also
when the drone is up over an airfield, they can't
fly a plane or a helicopter.

Speaker 3 (01:32:46):
Well, I would have thought the obvious thing to do
is just open fire on them, bring them down and
see who they belong to.

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
You would imagine so, but clearly it's not that simple.

Speaker 3 (01:32:54):
Yeah, obviously, Hey, so the EV targets is the government
going to soften? What are they going to do here?

Speaker 25 (01:33:01):
I think the car industry has kind of lost it's
cool with not just kir Starmer, this was conservative policy
as well. The plan is to get to a position
by not long a long time ago, and now we're
you know, we're heading into twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
Five in a few weeks.

Speaker 25 (01:33:17):
The plan was that we would get to a position
where Britain would not be selling any new combustion engines,
so no more petrol and deeseent diesel engines by twenty thirty,
and fines were put in place for car manufacturers who
are not meeting a certain percentage of EV sales each year,
leading up to eighty percent of sales by the year
twenty thirty. So right now the percentage is twenty two percent.

(01:33:40):
And this week Vauxhall have come out and said, look,
we can't do this. We're just the demand in Europe
is not there. We're not selling enough of the vehicles.
We're shutting our plant in Luton, eleven hundred jobs on
the line. I think what they're going to have to
do is the Business Secretary Jonathan Reynolds, on behalf of
kir Starmer, is going to have to sit down with
the leaders of the camera factory and worked out because

(01:34:02):
what's going to happen in January if Trump goes ahead
with trade tariffs on China, all the vehicles China would
have wanted to sell in the United States, they will
start dumping in the European Union at really really cheap
prices and that will completely kill off the car industry
here and have a one point what has already really
been the death knell from manufacturing in the UK for

(01:34:23):
car makers.

Speaker 2 (01:34:24):
Breaksit this without a shadow.

Speaker 3 (01:34:26):
Overdubt and thank you so much for talking us so
I appreciate it. As always, we'll talk to you again
next week mate. That's into Brady, UK correspondent. Okay, so
the spinoff now the spinoff if you if you don't
consume much online news. The spinoff is a website out
in New Zealand run by a chap called Duncan Grieve.
We founded by a chap called Duncan Grieve, which has
a lift lean to it. Oh no, it's just it's

(01:34:47):
quite left. It's quite left, and it's unashamedly so, and
it aims at young people. And I kind of like
the spinoff actually. I like what they do because the
cheeky as and they just do their thing right. You
don't have to like it, but I like that they
do their thing unashamedly and I think that they do
it quite well. Anyway. The spinoff is having some financial trouble,
which has kind of been obvious for a little while.

(01:35:08):
But today they've written an open letter which they do
from time to time, asking their members to give them
some money to help them through, and they want to
double the number of members who support them with annual
or monthly payments. And at the moment is something like
two percent of this that heaps people read it, but
only two percent support them and that's not sufficient. They
make this point when they are appealing for it. They say,

(01:35:28):
we run a type of decentralized public media, with New
Zealand on Air funding projects for a number of platforms. Historically,
New Zealand on Air has been an enthusiastic believer in
series like Juggernaut and Alice Needden's Bad News, which they
produced the spin off. However, just last Friday we discovered
that all of our key competitors had projects funded, but
all our proposals were declined. This is the second straight

(01:35:49):
New Zealand on Air funding round where this has happened. Meanwhile,
our Creative New Zealand funding has been halved this year
and the Public Interest Journalism Fund, which currently supports two
roles within our small teap team of thirty one, to
finish next year. While the state is under no obligation
to fund our work. It's hard to watch as other
platforms continue to be heavily backed while our own funding
stops dead. Now I feel sorry for the spinoff because

(01:36:11):
obviously they have come to be very reliant on this money.
And if you have a look back through New Zealand
on Air grants and stuff in the past, they have
been funded. They have been well funded by the state.
They've got a lot of money for a lot of
projects that I would say some of them are like,
do this, Do we really want to fund that?

Speaker 4 (01:36:30):
Because that doesn't look like that, that doesn't look that good.

Speaker 3 (01:36:33):
But we're putting money into it anyway. This there's been
a lot of money just given to the spinoff, and
I think what's happened here, unfortunately, is the spinoff has
come to rely on government funding in order to make
the model work.

Speaker 1 (01:36:44):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:36:44):
I have to be clear with you, right every single
media op outlet out there right now, including our own,
will be taking government money. So this is not having
a crack at government money. It's just saying, if your
business model is so dependent on government money that if
that government money dries up, you cannot make your business
work anymore. I think you've got a problem. So I'm
fascinated now because I think they do a good product.

(01:37:05):
I'm fascinated to see what happens and whether the members
step up, because these are members who are having a
big old cry now on social media about the state
of the spinoff and how sad they are.

Speaker 5 (01:37:13):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:37:13):
I want to see them put their money where their
mouths out. And I'm fascinated to see if that actually happens.
Seven away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:37:19):
Getting ready for a new administration in the US, what
will be the impact. It's the Business Hour with Hither
duplicy Allen and my HR, the HR solution for busy
SMEs newstalks.

Speaker 3 (01:37:30):
He'd be hither. You would be shocked at the number
of businesses and charities that are primarily funded by the government.
We haven't even scratched the surface of the pain that's
coming as these contracts end hundreds of thousands of people,
including community organizations already picking up the slack will no
longer exist. That's from Sudent Susan. That's a fair point,
and I get that, but I also there's a part
of me that's like, we're going to lose some good stuff,

(01:37:52):
but we're also probably going to lose some stuff that
just is not good.

Speaker 15 (01:37:57):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:37:57):
We just throw the cash at it, and we got
like Sports New Zealand for example, give them lots of
money and they just blow it on emails. Anyway, that
gang tongue, I told you, we're going to keep an
eye on what was going on with the gang members
hmongrel mob at in Totunga today, So fourteen people ended
up being arrested, A vehicle and two firearms were seized.
The cops used the opportunity to enforce the patch bang,

(01:38:19):
and one of the gang members who had their patch
taken off them was rock a Dog obviously not his
birth name. Rocker Dog was not happy about it. He
held his own press conference afterwards, got.

Speaker 24 (01:38:30):
Arrested for just see so weary now our clothes hatches? No, No,
I wasn't anyway personally it was he. I was just
being a T shirt, but it was close.

Speaker 2 (01:38:43):
Did they have a munger modern signia on it?

Speaker 3 (01:38:45):
It had had a pitch on.

Speaker 24 (01:38:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:38:48):
He obviously doesn't get the concept of that's got the
picture on it, we're going to take it off him.
He reckons the cops are going too hard.

Speaker 24 (01:38:54):
Oh well, at the moment, I reckon, they're coming down,
you know, stupidly.

Speaker 11 (01:38:58):
Hey, because it's just a minus thing.

Speaker 3 (01:39:01):
Yeah, it's very upset about it. Yeah, anyway, she'd have
a look at it it's on stuff, just to see
because maybe you can let me know what that tattoo
is on his forehead, because I have no bloody idea
what's going on? I don't know, and what do you
reckon it was?

Speaker 20 (01:39:14):
I didn't get a good enough look at it, but yeah,
tattoo was what I thought, but I didn't get any foods.

Speaker 3 (01:39:19):
Well, it was obviously a tattoo, but it's not a
good tattoo. If you don't know what the tattoo is.

Speaker 20 (01:39:23):
Oh no, probably don't like dat, mate. Maybe it's just
maybe it was just in bad lighting that didn't have
any studio lights or anything.

Speaker 3 (01:39:28):
So oh yeah, no, no, that must be what it was. Okay,
she Loves You.

Speaker 20 (01:39:31):
By the Beatles to play us out tonight? Did you
want another Beatles documentry? Good, you're getting one. Beetles sixty
four is going coming out on Disney Plus tomorrow, possibly Saturday,
because I'm not sure if they mean tomorrow US time.
It's about the A band's tour of the US in
nineteen sixty four, and it's some brand new footage that
was together by one of Sir Peter Jackson's outfits out
of Wellington's.

Speaker 3 (01:39:52):
I still haven't watched the last Peter Jackson one that
went on for like seven hundred.

Speaker 20 (01:39:55):
Perfect marathon to do this weekend because I.

Speaker 3 (01:39:57):
Just put all the new footage together and just give
it to us. How would that be? You can make
documentares see you tomorrow. You stalk z big.

Speaker 1 (01:40:10):
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