Full Show Podcast: 28 October 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The only drive show you can try to ask the questions,
we get the answers, find a fact sack and give
the analysis. Heather Duplicy Ellen, Drive with One New Zealand
and the Power of Satellite Mobile News Dog.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Said, be.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today, Chris Hopkins,
Labor Party leader, on his capital gains tax plans. We're
going to talk to a sex education therapist about the
government's curriculum for years one to ten, which is being
released in half an hour's time. And Jenny Wiley, a
Netball CEO, on you know what.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
Heather Duplicy Ellen, Well, I don't.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Know what's worse for Labor the fact that they've announced
a capital gains tax policy again today or the fact
that someone leaked it and forced them to announce it
in a rush. Now, I mean, obviously it does suck
for them that somebody eleaked it first, because it means
that they were so unprepared that they had to rush
job announce it in an email at three minutes past
five this morning. And then Chippy had to cancel his
morning radio interviews so that he didn't have to answer

(00:58):
questions about this until he was ready and they had
to get ready and call themselves a rush job press
conference for half past ten, where they all looked furious
and they stumbled over their words. Honestly, you haven't seen
such a sad lineup of people announcing something they're proud of.
This is the second policy announcement that Labor has managed
to stuff up in just about a week's a week's time,

(01:18):
a week's duration, which hardly looks convincing, does it. But
then it also sucks for them that this is the
policy that they're taking to the election, because I don't
care what the Baltwey and Wellington tells us. I do
not believe that a majority of New Zealanders want a
capital gains tax, no matter how many times Labor pictures it,
no matter how many times they try to convince us
that everyone else wants it. Why don't you want it?

(01:39):
And you know I'm right when I say this, because
look at how Labour's selling this today. Even they sound
like they're not so sure that we want a CGT.
They've double policied it today. They've told us what they're
going to spend the money on, which is three free
GP visits a year for us. Basically to try to
sell it to us, basically, to try to convince us
that a CGT is good for us. So just look

(02:00):
at how gleeful the National Party sound. They know that
this made twenty twenty six just a little bit more
likely for them. What I now want to know, though,
is who leak this to the media. Was it someone
who was just really excited that they knew something so
they leaked it to the media and blew up their
own parties big announcement or was it someone who disagrees
with labor and wanted to blow up their own parties

(02:22):
big announcement. Either way, they've just made an unconvincing policy
even less convincing today.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
Hev d for see Allen.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
Nine nine to two text number. Let me know what
you think standard text fees apply. Chippies with us after
five now or can? Councilor Richard Hills has come out
against what he calls antiev propaganda in the wake of
the recent bus collision on Tamaki Drive. The investigation is
still on going, but you know the one, the one
where the bus was involved in the road was shut
for more than twenty four hours. We now know it

(02:53):
was the petrol vehicle that caused the fire. It wasn't
the Lithian batteries on the electric bus and councilor Richard
Hills is with us now.

Speaker 4 (02:59):
Hi, Richard, sure to hear that.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
So you were so worked up about this he hit
the old Facebook, did you?

Speaker 4 (03:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (03:05):
I mean it was just kind of shocking to watch
it roll out, as these things do. In the moment,
I mean, we were all worried about the poor driver
and his family and obviously massive condolences again to him.
But then all I saw everywhere was told you told
your EV buses, told your EV batteries, and it was
all incorrect.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
So so what is the correct story?

Speaker 4 (03:27):
Then?

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Why was the road because that's a long time, Richard
for a road to be shut out.

Speaker 5 (03:32):
So the road, I think the bus was moved within.
So the accident happened on Wednesday night and the bus
was removed on Thursday night, So yes, about twenty six hours.
But that's completely up to Finns and policea whether it's
investigations or other.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
And why did it take so long?

Speaker 5 (03:48):
Yeah, so that'll be up to them to explain was
as far as I know, No, but they haven't obviously
come up with a full what is.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
The misinformation I think you're trying to correct.

Speaker 5 (04:01):
So it was just the misinformation about that the bus court.
You know, it was a bus fire that evs blew up,
the batteries, blew up all that kind of stuff. So
it was a significant fire caused by the the car itself.
So fens have confirmed that, and then Kinetic, obviously, who

(04:22):
extremely upset they've lost the colleague, also put out statement
that the batteries were unharmed, like they didn't catch fire
and didn't create the massive fire that we saw. It
was obviously someone on the other who hit the bus
on the wrong side of the road causing.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
Now my understanding is what people were saying was that
the reason people were blaming the electric vehicle right the
bus for the fact that the road was closed for
that long, And that is actually correct, isn't it not?

Speaker 6 (04:50):
That?

Speaker 3 (04:50):
I okay, because what I understand. Let me tell you
what I understand. What I understand is that that bus
was structurally unsafe, so they had they took some time
to rebuild the structure inside so they could actually get on.
But once they got on the bus, Richard, what they
saw was battery packs hanging through the roof, and so
they were worried about that. Which vehicles put battery packs

(05:12):
in the roof electric vehicles, right, So it's because it
was an electric vehicle with batteries in the roof that
were hanging down. They then had to somehow isolate those batteries.
So it actually was the fact that it was an
electric vehicle that was a problem. But secondly they saw
gas leaking and they worried that it was the lithium
batteries that were starting to disintegrate. Actually it was an
aircn problem. But again they were treating it differently because

(05:33):
it was an electric vehicle. Am I wrong?

Speaker 5 (05:37):
I'm not sure. They always have pretty significant investigations when
someone okay.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
Because we had this on good authority. So actually, so,
actually it was because it was an electric vehicle that
the road was closed for more than twenty four hours.

Speaker 5 (05:50):
Yeah, So I didn't mention anything on my post about
the road being closed. My concern was just the constant
basically told yourselves everywhere about you.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
But it hasn't told you. So I told you so
because this cannot happen again, Richard. If we have an
electric vehicle that has a crash on Tamaqui Drive, an
electric bus, it has a crash on TOMACHI grow. You
cannot shut a road for twenty four hours.

Speaker 5 (06:09):
It's too long, Yeah, and like we need those answers
from the police and fins when it comes along. But
I guess my post was just about I was disappointed
that someone passed away and all I saw for those twelve,
twenty four or thirty six hours were people just riding
pretty incorrect information that the bus caused the crash, that
the bus caught on fire first, all this kind of

(06:30):
stuff when it was a significant fire from within the
petrol engine, and it was just yeah, it was just
kind of like we should all wait and see around
information before we jumped straight on online and start putting
out stuff within sort of twelve hours of someone well
instantly hours after someone passed away. Okay, Yeah, that's all

(06:51):
I was sort of pointing out that it was a shame.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
Yeah, thank you, I appreciate you time. Richard Hill's Auckland
counselor So, if you thought it was because it was
an electric vehicle, it was, but some extensive looking into
it for you, it was because it was an electric
vehicle in the end, now, Mark and twenty four hours
to shut Tamaki drive. That was a nightmare. Well not anyway. Listen,
the Maori Party business has got even more problematic for
the party today. So it turns out that they quietly

(07:16):
on Thursday night, at the end of a you know,
well just the start of a long weekend, at the
end of the sitting week, they suspended Maria amen Or
Kappa king E, who was the MP that seems to
have got a little bit of got off side with
the leadership JT and his crew by the looks of things,
So they suspended her. But and that we could see
coming a mile away. But now what's happened is Takuta Ferris,
who has been on her side the whole time, has

(07:37):
criticized publicly the party for doing that. And you could
argue you could see that coming a mile away as well,
because Takuta has been having a crack at the party leadership.
But what we did not see coming was the newest
MP Ordiny Kaiperer has now also started criticizing the Well,
let's not say she's criticized the leadership. She's just come
out on Maria amen Or Cupa king E's side. She
went to Facebook she said our Cooia are important. They

(08:00):
hold rank for a reason. Men Or, that's the nickname.
Men Or is a Cooeer. My soul recognizes and gravitates
toward without effort. I see her, I believe her and
in and believe in her, and I will support her.
So it does seem like it's something of an existential
crisis for the Mary Party at the moment, isn't it.
Barry Soap will be at us in about half an
hour's time and explain what he understands is going on.

(08:21):
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Speaker 1 (08:24):
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Speaker 2 (08:29):
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Speaker 3 (08:31):
Heather, I'm exstactic, ecstatic about Labour's CGT now they're doomed
in their demise at the polses all but guaranteed role
on the twenty twenty six election. Cheers from Darryl. Eighteen
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Speaker 1 (08:41):
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Speaker 3 (08:47):
Adam Cooper sports talk hosters with me, Hello Coops, Hey
Heau All right, Liam Lawson took me through this.

Speaker 7 (08:52):
Yeah, well this is starting to get a little nerve
wracking and obviously we want to know exactly where the
New Zealander is going to be in terms of the
one set up next year under his Red Bull's team. Well, yeah,
it was going to be soon. We thought we'd know.
October was the time frame initially put on it via
helmeut Marco and the crew at a Red Bull not
to be though, and after a pretty controversial weekend where

(09:15):
where Liam Lawson is making headlines for reasons he probably
preferred not to be. We're hearing that as Max vers
STARp and of course is the headline driver of Red Bull,
is in a real fight to get another championship title
at the end of the season with five or so
races left. That's where they're putting all their exsit at
the moment here. This so no decision now likely to

(09:35):
be made, no clarity given for the likes of Liam
Lawson and the others chasing these seats until early December,
December one, that round of Formula one, so yet quite
some time away.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
What you got saying here, coops, have they actually made
a decision and they just don't want the distraction of
people getting pissy in public because these guys do or
are they really honestly is it still available to anyone
be able to win the seat.

Speaker 7 (10:01):
Well, I just can't see how they have not made
up that certain in their own minds. I mean, if
you're a manager, you're not suddenly just just rolling over
at night not thinking about this, or not have a
gut instinct in your head as to who you want there, right.
I just think that they, you know, for the sake
of the syndicate, for the sake of everything, that they're
doing all their best to see what Max fistuff and
can get, how high he can achieve, can he get

(10:23):
another title to his name from the end of the season.
That's where they're putting all the energy, and they probably
don't want distractions. They want the likes of Liam Lawson
to still be racing their best to try and help
maxwist Uff and achieve this and get the most points
possible for Red Bull. So it's just unnecessary I think
lingering on for quite some time of just uncertainty for
all these drivers and Liam Lawson. Then he' zeland a

(10:45):
court right in the middle of it.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
Okay, and are you talking netball tonightday? We are?

Speaker 7 (10:48):
Indeed, Yeah, obviously, Heather, I know you've got the Ball
rolling on this on the show Friday afternoon, and then
it sort of all happened from there, didn't It's a
Netball New Zealand's reappointing. Dame Noline Toto was so keen
to focus on this on Sports Talk tonight because I
think here that this is the outcome that all or
the majority of netball fans wanted just by you know,
just gauging by all the feedback that came in right

(11:10):
through the saga. But this has damaged the sport it
to a whole new level that I think anyone thought
was possible, right just just just the way it's been handled.
You know, this this whole incident where certain players said
they possibly felt unsafe, happened way back in January, and
here we are in almost November still, you know, feeling
the effects of this, and things haven't quite been put right.

(11:31):
So I just think the sport's going to have a
long way to go now to to sort of get
the fans back on board with the management, with how
things have been handled, and you sort of wonder, how's
that high performance set up going to be now under
Dame Nolen Toad her with certain players. So yeah, a
lot of questions still, but I think it's going to
take a lot of healing in terms.

Speaker 4 (11:50):
Of the sport.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
What's changed to allow her to come back.

Speaker 7 (11:53):
Well, clearly there's been some reassurances from her that she
had accept that some of these so called chain is
that that Neitble New Zealer want to implement. That I
guess toe that line, that that fine line between a
robust environment but an environment where players feel protected as well.
That's clearly according to some of the rhetoric. That's clearly
what Nickble and New Zealand are saying. That's clearly what

(12:15):
Nickble and New Zealand are saying here that I don't think.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
Players just sound like a bunch of wasses. They do.

Speaker 7 (12:21):
And the worst thing is for the public perception of
this whole thing. We've been given no examples of what's
what the problem was, how serious it was, and whether
any of the actual allegations or complaints were you know,
we're proven. So that's been so tough and fans have
just been left in the dark here and you know,
especially after all the A and Z Premiership stuff, it's
just been a disastrous year for Nipple. So you will

(12:41):
be chatting a bit about that after.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
Seven, Thanks Coops, looking forward to it. That's Adam Cooper,
sports talk host. He'll be back seven o'clock this evening,
filling in for Darci. Yeah, we've got to talk about
this actually next and also we've got to deal with
the numbers in the Capital Gains tax I know it's
not going to surprise you, but Labour's numbers don't add up.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
For twenty two, the day's newspeakers talk to you the
first here the duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand
and the power of satellite mobile news Doorg said me.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
Murray Olds is going to be with us out of Australia.
Shortly hither did you see the Maori party's billboard truck
was repossessed and as for sale and trade me turners
with the signs all still sign written Yes, thank you Ryan.
I did actually and I have forwarded to Barry and
if Barry has time he will talk about it. And
if he doesn't have time, I will fill you in
on it. But it is a joy to behold this
happening to them. Okay, so the CGT, the numbers look,

(13:30):
the numbers in the CGT do not add up in
terms of what they're saying to us is they're going
to take the capital gains tax and then they're going
to pay for the free doctor's visits. But they don't
have enough for years one and two. So in the
first year they reckon, the doctors are going to cost
three hundred and twenty three million, but the capital gains
tax is only going to bring in one hundred million.
In the second year, they reckon the doctor's visits are
going to cost four hundred and ninety million, but they're

(13:52):
only going to bring in three hundred and eighty five
million with the capital gains tax. Then after that it
starts to wash its own face. So then the free
doctors are basically four ninety million every single year thereafter,
and the capital gains tax in year three, they reckon
is bringing a nine hundred and sixty five million, so
more than enough to which I say bs, because I mean,
I don't know if you've been following what happens with
the capital gains tax, but I feel like that how

(14:14):
they come up with that number is that they stick
their fingers in their mouths, lick it and stick it
in the air. Because everybody comes up with a different
numbers hmm. I mean now it feels like a nine
hundred and sixty five million one this year. Remember old mate,
Debingadi Wapaka hers was two hundred billion in six years.
The tax Working Group was something like eight billion over
five years. The numbers are just all over the shop.

(14:35):
But you just have to sort of believe. You have
to cross, close your eyes, hold your little hands together
and go, I believe. And Chippy when he says these
numbers whatever, I don't believe it for a second. But
also also can we just do them just really quickly
do the maths on this. Okay, So every single one
of us is now going to get three doctors visits
a year. And I don't know about you, but I'm
using them because I'm gonna I'm just gonna find a

(14:56):
reason to use them, because if you get why not?
Why not?

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Right?

Speaker 3 (15:00):
So every single one of us goes to the doctor
three times a year. Let's say round it down. We'll
say five million of us, right, five million of us
going to the doctors three times a year. That's fifteen
million visits. And let's say your doctor is on average
fifty dollars, right, that's seven hundred and fifty million dollars.
So when you're budgeting four hundred and ninety million dollars,
it feels like they're a bit short, isn't it. Anyway,

(15:21):
Chippy will be with us after five, will ask them
all of the questions about that news is next.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
The name you trumped to get the answers you need,
It's Heather Duplicyl and drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else us talk they'd be.

Speaker 8 (15:55):
It's right.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
Plus Stippins is with us up for five o'clock Ferry
soacas with us in ten minutes time. Turns out the
government is taking Gloria Vale relatively seriously. They formed a
new high powered multi ministers group which is made up
of ten ministers and it's led by the Social Development
and Employment Minister Louise Upston and they basically have been
put together to keep an.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Eye on it.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
They are not ruling out closing Gloria Veil altogether, which
I can't help but wonder if that's more talk than reality.
I just can't see how they would shut it down,
like how they would go in there on what piece
of under what law would they shut it down? But anyway,
I could be missing something so Nikola Willis's with us.
After six o'clock we'll have a chat to her about that.

(16:38):
Then it's twenty four away from five.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
It's the world Wires on News Talks Eddy Drive.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
Jamaica is about to be hit by one of the
strongest tropical storms in its history. Hurricane Melissa is on
track to make landfall in the Caribbean nation later tonight.
A meteorologist says that there's significant risk from the heavy rain.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
The heaviest rainfall an ounce in terms of total. It
is very welcome fall over the.

Speaker 9 (17:00):
Mountains, but although water's got to go somewhere and it
flows downstream, leaning too mud slides.

Speaker 4 (17:04):
Really the entire.

Speaker 10 (17:05):
Islands subjected and going to be subjective to torrential range
over a prolonged period of time.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
Like our own Prime Minister Elbow is at the rc
IN summit and Kuala Lumpa today. He sees he's getting
on very well with all the Southeast Asian leaders bilateral meetings.

Speaker 11 (17:19):
I have this morning with the leaders of the Philippines.

Speaker 12 (17:22):
And Thailand, and we have a new Prime Minister of.

Speaker 13 (17:26):
Thailand who I was able to meet informally with last night.

Speaker 4 (17:30):
These relations are all.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
Important and Finally, at Texas Police Department has asked people
to please stop calling them about an emo deer just
wandering around in the woods. What's happened is the deer
has a rope hammock tangled up in its antlers, so
it's got a gigantic fringe and looks like it's got
a naughty's emo hairstyle. Whild The life experts have reviewed

(17:55):
footage of the deer. They have concluded that the hammock
isn't actually putting it in any danger. The police planning
to leave the deer alone and just let it enjoy
its emo era.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
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Speaker 3 (18:10):
Murray Olds, Australia corresponds with us, Hello, muzz, Good afternoon Heather. Okay,
what's happened to this lady on the cruise ship?

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Wow?

Speaker 10 (18:18):
It's a very mysterious story, very sad indeed as well.
An eighty year old woman was cruising on her own
far North Queensland on board a very popular cruise line.
It's not one of the you know, those five thousand
passenger ships. It's a much smaller ship. Nonetheless, it's got
a decent size passenger number and a big crew as

(18:42):
well on board. So they are off Lizard Island, which
is very remote about I don't know, one hundred k's
northeast of Cooktown, so it's way off the coast. They're
pulled them there on Saturday, and as happens on cruises,
people are taken ashore. I guess by tender. There wouldn't
be any big wharf up there, so they go ashore
on a tender for day walks. And this woman was

(19:05):
walking with another a larger group of passengers and hiking
the trail, a trail that apparently Captain James Cook he
did the same walk, you know, a couple of centuries back. Anyway,
she said, listen, I'm going to stop here for a moment,
just catch my breath, and they said fine, and they
kept going and she wasn't seen again. They've all gone

(19:28):
back to the ship late that afternoon, late Saturday afternoon,
and as always happens on these ships, you were checked
on and you were checked off. It's very very regimented,
that's part of the deal. And she was not on board.
So apparently they mounted the search on the Saturday late Saturday,
had to abandon that on Saturday night, called police and

(19:48):
emergency services and the woman's body was found the following day.
Now could she have survived? That's one of the questions
police are now asking, preparing a report for the coroner.
But just very very tragic circumstances for this woman who
was enjoying a cruise and never got back to the ship.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
Yeah, very much, sir. Now the Dutch volleyball team of
being kept out of the country, are they not?

Speaker 10 (20:09):
The whole team? Only one member? And this guy, Stephen
van der Velde, is a convicted child rapist. He went
to jail in twenty sixteen, but he was convicted of
raping a twelve year old girl when he was a
teenager himself. He only served thirteen months of a sentence.
The sentencing judge said, back in twenty sixteen, this crime

(20:31):
of yours, that he admitted his career ending, you'll never
play for the Netherlands again. But he was back in
the national team and he, you know about or less
than two years later, he says, Mary, he's been to
the Paris Olympic Games. Despite the objections of quite a
few other national Olympic committees. They said, you really want
this guy on your team anyway, he's been banned from

(20:52):
entering Australia. They've got the World Championships here in November, yes,
in November, and he will not be part of the team.
He has not been given a visa to into Australia.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Yeah, okay, listen, what's going on with the miners.

Speaker 10 (21:07):
Well, it's a very very sad story this. You know,
it's a dangerous occupation. We all know that. And every
time you go below ground it's a risk, right, And
this morning about a quarter to four a m way
out in Coba. It's so remote, way way out west,
it's about i don't know seven eight hours west or
northwest of Sydney, and they had the the night shift

(21:31):
was down underground. There was an explosion. Initial reports said
two people had died. They police and other emergency evers
got there and they did confirm that one man had
died underground. Two women were brought to the surface. One
of them was fatally injured though, and she died at
the scene. The other one was treated and then she

(21:51):
was flown off to hospital and inquiries underway. But you know,
it's it is a risk. I mean, you have gas
build ups underground. This is a lead mine and a
zinc mine, so you get gas built ups underground and
an explosion is always a possibility and tragedy. This morning
it looks like it looks like that precise thing has happening.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
That's true, right, Thank you, Mars, really appreciate it. Murray
Old's Australia correspondent Heather duper Sye Ellen, Heather. When I
go to the doctor, it's not fifty dollars, it's one
hundred and eight dollars, and that is not the full prices.
I'm a subscribed patient gee, so they are getting my
capitation payment. Therefore, fifteen million visits is about one point
six two billion dollars. You're right, the numbers don't add up,
not at all. Now, as I told you on Friday

(22:32):
would happen. You will know if you listen to the show.
Didn't surprise you at all to wake up on Saturday
and then discover that, in fact, Dave Knowles did get
her job back as the netball coach. What I want
to know now though, is why what happened? What changed?

Speaker 14 (22:47):
Right?

Speaker 3 (22:47):
Because there was an incident apparently, so how did she
get her job back? Did she apologize? For the incident
that she was stood down for. Did the players withdraw
their complaint? Was there an investigation that in fact clear her?
Are there things that have been or was in an
investigation that did not clear her? And therefore things have
had to be put in place in order to prevent

(23:08):
this thing from happening again. Because this is weird, isn't it.
I mean, you don't like understand this, Okay. You do
not stand down a high profile person from their job
for the whole nation to see it happening. You do
not do that unless you're going to fire them. So
why didn't they fire her?

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Then?

Speaker 3 (23:24):
What happened? How did she fight her way back? In
the fact that she did not get fired after all
of that means somebody made the mistake of standing her down.
Because that was a mistake then, wasn't it. So who's
going to lose their job after that? Anyway, Jenny Wiley
is going to be with us after half past five.
We'll see what we can find out from her. I'm
suspecting not a lot, but we'll try our hardest. Seventeen
away from.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
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Speaker 3 (23:48):
The read the CGT. I'd be very interested to know
how the GPS and primary care are going to cope
with all the free appointments labor are proposing. Well, actually
they've come out and said the question of how clinics
will be staffed to meet that demand remains UNA fourteen
away from five and Barries, So boun seeing your political
correspondence with us, Hallo Barring.

Speaker 15 (24:04):
Good afternoon, Heather.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
Well, that was a lineup of very glum people today
at that announcement.

Speaker 15 (24:10):
Well they were caught on the hot, weren't they. I mean,
it's quite extraordinary when you consider that, you know, the
last policy announcement last week that was a cock up
as well. Yep, this one leaked to the media and
we're told that it was a near unanimous vote in Caukers,
So that means some people are opposed to it. And

(24:30):
you remember the lates to Michael Cullen, he was the
head of the Taxation Working Group set up under Jindar
Dun and whilst they recommended a capital gains tax, Michael
Cullen himself said that any party that goes into an
election promising an increase in taxes really are doing some
very great risk to themselves and winning the Treasury benches.

(24:54):
And you remember, because I was in the audience when
Jacindaurn stood up the front and said we're not going
to go with the capital gains tax, and at that
point everybody had thought they were going to go with one,
but they didn't, and I think she listened to the
words of Michael Cullen. Nevertheless, so Chris Hipkins, he hasn't
been listening to those words, and so he's now very

(25:16):
frustrated in the way these policy releases have gone. I
know you're going to be talking to him. They're not
going to pay for the doctor's visits initially, you know,
the first year it brings in one hundred million dollars. Well,
the doctor's visits, as you pointed out earlier on, are
much more expensive than that. Very proud Minister of Health
Asia Verel, she said, standing so alongside Chris Hipkins today

(25:40):
there will be a new medi card and it'll guarantee
every New Zealander access to care, whether they were rich
or poor.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Or town or country, so.

Speaker 15 (25:51):
Everyone gets it well. A warning was issued though this
morning by Chris Hipkins to the person or persons who
leaked the policy to the met over the weekend.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Some of the details came to be in the public
domain this morning. I'm very proud to be talking about
it now and to be making this announcement now. If
it ranspires that it was deliberately released by somebody, and
that we find out who that person is, they won't
be a member of the Labor Party. I'm not going
to speculate on how any of the details may have
come into the public domain. As I said, there are
a lot of people who have been involved in the

(26:21):
conversations around our text policy. It's been a very very
robust internal process where everybody has had the opportunity to
express their various views.

Speaker 15 (26:31):
So it's incredible when you think because taxation when it
comes to a political party is very much a secret
of policy area, and this sounds as though it's been
sent out to all and sundry. Well, obviously there will
be somebody probably disgruntled with it and thought we'll get
the thought in the public.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
Do we know when they planned to announce it.

Speaker 15 (26:51):
Well, he says, if you listen to Hipkins and I
know you're going to be talking to him. He said
that they would have been announcing it this week or thereabouts.
But about Yes, I think they would have been planning
much longer term because tax policy is so important to
any political party.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
Okay, now what is going on with the Maadi Party?

Speaker 15 (27:11):
Well, like we said last week, this just goes from
bad to worse. Actually, I mean Rawi White to Tea
is probably back from his swan song up in China
and thinks they had a hui last Thursday unbeknown to
most of us, and they passed a number of resolutions.
One was to suspend Maromino Karpakinghi from the party. Well,

(27:37):
she's saying that essentially it's got no mone of the suspension,
the so called suspension she's calling it. And the tek
Mparcouter Ferris, well he says that essentially he wouldn't go
along with it. So you've got and then you've got.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
You've got Mudame Not who's a post to the leadership.
You've got Tarkuther Harris who opposed to the leadership. Now
you've got aldiny kaiper as well.

Speaker 15 (28:06):
Talking about Cooia and how she would gravitate to cup
a key.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
She believes and she believes.

Speaker 15 (28:12):
In her and believes you know that she is a
wonderful person within the party.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
Really looks up to her. Sorry, it's potentially breaking in two.

Speaker 15 (28:20):
Oh totally yeah, I mean you've got three now on three.
So what the hell are they going to do? I
mean John Tammy, who is at the head of all this,
what's he going to do with the party? I mean
they're going to go back now and decide how they're
going to affect the suspension from the party. Well, if
they suspend her, like other MPs in the past, she'll

(28:41):
become an independent MP because she's an electorate MP, and
she'll serve through to the next election and.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
No doubt walk a jumper. Sorry they can walk.

Speaker 15 (28:51):
They could, yeah, they could and get her out of Parliament.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
But then what are they going to do up Tarkus
as well?

Speaker 15 (28:56):
Well, that's a jumper? Are ready kiper? Before she's even
got to no dirty?

Speaker 3 (29:01):
In part listen happened or the truck? I a truck.

Speaker 15 (29:04):
It's not a van dilapidated old rust heap, and I'm
surprised that it was even listed in the first place.
Was listed for five five hundred dollars and it's festooned
with Maori Party, very professional sign writing on the whole truck.
It's a big truck. It was being sold though. We

(29:26):
were told that Turner's on behalf of a finance company
because it had been repossessed. Honestly, they say the way
it's been operated, stored, or maintained or repaired in a
proper and diligent manner, which that hasn't been done so
in that manner, and that may affect its condition. Turner's

(29:48):
recommended an independent assessment assessment of it. It's in a
rough condition. We were told that the cab was dirty
and had a musty odor, the clutch Fields wall stop
it hello, and it was rusted in a few places.
So so what so John drawn from sale?

Speaker 3 (30:07):
Hell? Did they buy it back?

Speaker 6 (30:08):
No?

Speaker 3 (30:09):
I don't know what.

Speaker 15 (30:10):
And I ran Turner's car watch and I spoke to
the person who is listed in the air and he said,
oh no, I can't talk to you about it, and
left to go further up the company. No such light.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
Hold, we know somebody at Turner's will drop Todd who
runs the show a line in a minute. Yes, but
are you telling me so? They weren't, John timing head
in is a lot. Weren't even looking after the vehicle.

Speaker 15 (30:30):
Clearly, I mean I saw photos if they were trying
to sell a vehicle and they showed photos of inside.
It looked absolutely filthy.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
Just needed a dust barry. Thanks very much, appreciate it
very so for senior political correspondence. Seven away from.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
Five, the headlines and the hard questions, it's the Mic
Asking Breakfast.

Speaker 13 (30:48):
By the time you get to waycheck it will be
about the US and China. There's some sort of framework,
and yes it's important globally, but are they going to
steal the show?

Speaker 16 (30:54):
I spoke to Premier League off China this evening about it.
They were feeling they had had some sort of the
their secretaries and their ministers have done some pre work
to sort of calm things down. And for the world's
too largest economies, you know, we actually all want them
to de escalate and actually get to a better understanding
of each other and to get assorted basically so we
don't have the chaos and the disruption that we've been experienced.

(31:16):
Leap of interest that that's a positive conversation. We'd get
to a much more deescalated place, which would be good
for the world.

Speaker 13 (31:22):
Back tomorrow at six am, the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
Avida News Talk z be Look, as.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
I said to you a little bit earlier, the government
was that this is Erica. Stanford was releasing the curriculum
for years zero to ten for all you know, it's
everything outside of maths and English. So it's the CIVIS
and it's the financial education and all that kind of
stuff in history, which has been broadened out a lot.
One of the things that they are also talking about
is the sex education, where they're going to really focus

(31:48):
on teaching the kids consent. So we are going to
talk to Joe Robertson, who's a sex education therapist, in
about twenty minutes. Times she's going to run us through
her thoughts on that also chippies with us. Just after five,
I just say, look, I know this is not being
I'm not being I'm not being very responsible saying this
because I shouldn't encourage anyone to fight back against thieves,
and I don't want because you know, no money is

(32:10):
worth your life. But I am thoroughly enjoying the video
of the thieves getting smashed by the lady working at
the Morning Side Dairy, which is online today. I don't
know if you've seen it. It's the Livonius store in
Morning side. Apparently about just six o'clock last Wednesday, a
couple of guys that came in to collect. Now I
don't know if you know what that means, but that's
where they come to tax you. So they come in
and they go, oh, you owe us some money for

(32:30):
I don't know what. What do you even over the money for?
But anyway, you're supposed to the hand of it. It's
like mafia styles, you know, so like heavy you so
your hand over the money. Anyway, these guys are like no.
And so the two blokes then were like monument and
started like just taking stuff off the shelves and walking out. Well,
old mate who works there, she, by the way, a
lady was not having it. So she just launches this
off at one of the guys and starts thumping him

(32:50):
and nick minute, he's lying in the doorway by the
looks of things, and she's just pummeling him with her fists.
The other one's standing there. The other bloke, he's got
cans and stuff. He's sort of half heartedly throwing the
cans at her try to get her off as mate. Anyway,
they then skulkoff looking shamed of themselves because they should be,
and then one of them plugs gives her brown eye.
That's the best anyway. Good for her, Hero of the week.

(33:11):
You shouldn't do this yourself at home, but good for her.
Chippy's next.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
duper cl and drive with one New Zealand to coverage
like no one else.

Speaker 4 (33:28):
News dogs d be.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Good afternoon. Labor has announced it will introduce a twenty
eight percent capital gains tax if it wins the election
next year. It's been forced to announce the tax today
after it was leaked to media. The tax will apply
to residential properties, residential rental properties, commercial properties, second homes,
the family home, farms, shares and inheritances will all be exempt.
Labour says it will use the money to pay for
everyone to have three free GP visits a year, and

(33:53):
the Labor Party leader Chris Hopkins is with us. Now,
hichippie got Heather? Do you know who lect it?

Speaker 2 (33:59):
No? I don't. I'm not going to get into that
speculation game. I think what New Zealanders need to hear
from all of this is that they will be able
to go and visit the doctor for free, and that
we will pay for that through the introduction of a
very simple capital gainstany.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
When were you planning to announce it.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
We've had it down to be announced this week anyway.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
Okay, do you think it was a malicious leak or
somebody just getting excited?

Speaker 2 (34:20):
I just don't know how the information came to be
in the public domain. But if it was a malicious
leak and we find out who did it, then that
person will no longer be a member of the Labor Party.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Okay, Now do you how sure are you that the
CGT is going to pay for the doctor's visits?

Speaker 2 (34:35):
We're pretty confident on the numbers we've worked. We've had
them checked by others. We've done them based on the
Text Working Group, the independent Tax Working Group that was
set up when we were asked in government, and so
that's the modeling that we've used in coming up with
the costings for this one.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
Okay, this is for the CGT.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Yeah, that's correct. Yeah, what about the.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Doctor's visits, because it looks to me like you might
have got a bit short there. I mean, if you've
got four hundred and ninety million set aside, how many
doctor's visits is that a year for.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Us, so that we don't fund individual doctor's visits. Now,
we do subsidize doctor's visits, and we do that through
a thing called capitation funding, which means your doctor, when
you're enroll in your doctor's practice, they get given bulk
funding every year for the number of people that they
have enrolled. We've agreed that we will increase that amount
in exchange for them not asking for a co payment

(35:23):
for your three free doctor's visits each year.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
Oh so, if I'm paying fifty bucks to go to
the doctor you're going to You're not going to spring
for the full fifty You're going to spring for a
smaller amount.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
The deal basically is that in order to get their
increased funding, doctors will not be able to charge you
a co payment.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
There would you go to You're going to have to
bring doctor's visits. Aren't you going to have to give
them the fifty I'm giving them.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
No, because the way the system works, the way the
capitation funding works, at the moment, they get a set
amount per patient for enrolled patient each year, regardless of
whether you visit the doctor or not, and that will continue,
but the amount that they get will be increased.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
How much.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Well, there'll be that. That will depend, of course on
a range of different factors. So it's an increase to
their existing funding, their existing fund.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
You've got enough here, Chippy, Have you got enough? Because
you sound like, yeah, you're a bit shaky on it.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
No, absolutely not. I mean I didn't do the costings myself.
We had those done separately, and they're based on what
people are paying now, based on what GP practice as
are collecting in co payments at the moment.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
And then what happens in the first two years, because
you don't have enough money coming in for the first
two years of the free doctor's visits, you're just going
to put that on the credit card.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
No, the way the Treasury always does, the Treasury deals
in four year funding allocations, so they've looked so we
have looked at the amount of revenue that the capital
gains tax will generate over four years, and then we've
looked at the cost of the GP visits over four years,
and that's less than the capital gains tax generates during
that Okay, so.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
The average over four years is less. Okay, Now, what
do we do for valuation day?

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Right?

Speaker 3 (36:52):
Because we start we start the clock on the first
of July in twenty twenty seven, do we have to
get valuers in to look at every single batch and
every single second property and every single commercial property.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
So most commercial properties will have a valuation now because
they are commercial properties, and so they'll have a valuation already.
For residential properties, there are a range of options that
the Tax Working Groups set out around how valuation could work,
But for most people it will probably be that they'll
get a commercial valuation.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
On the day. Do we have enough valuers.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
And there's a period of time in which you have
to get the valuation done by it'll be over, you know,
there'll be a reasonable period of time to do that.
The only people who need to get it done immediately,
you know, straight away with the people who are selling.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Have we got enough values? I'm going to want it
to be like as up to the last minute as possible, Right, So,
have we got enough values to come in on the
first of July twenty twenty seven and value the whole country?

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yeah? The Tax Working Group were confident that this would
not be a reason. That is not something that would
be a barrier. But Tax Working Group had a whole
chapter in their report around that, I'm not going to
read it.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
You've read it, it's your policy.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Tell me, well, again, there are a range of different
options that people can use for their valuations, like what Well,
one of them, of course is getting a commercial valuer and.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
To give you a valuation, which is what everybody's going
to want to do. And so if you can't, then
what do you do?

Speaker 2 (38:15):
Well, if you want to sell the property immediately, then
you'll be able to get a conventional valuation.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
I don't want to sell the property immediately to be
I want the value because that's the starting of the
value clock. So what's the alternative.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Well, if you're not going to sell the property immediately,
then there presumably isn't a panicking you need need to
get an evaluation immediately, is it?

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Well, when am I going to get the valuation?

Speaker 2 (38:33):
Then well then that's something that you can figure out
with the Jimmy.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
You do understand why I'm trying to get a valuation
on the day, right, It's to reduce my eventual tax bills.
So everybody's going to want to have evaluation on the day.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Yeah, and value as I'm sure will be able to
tell you what the valuation, even if it's some months afterwards.
I'm sure they'll be able to tell you what the
valuation would be on valuation day.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
If I put a pool in and I spend one
hundred and fifty two hundred thousand dollars doing that, do
I get that off? My final tax? Is that added
to the cost that I paid for.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
The house improvements? So renovations improvements can be deducted from
the you know, the capital gain that you have made.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Okay, is their roleover relief?

Speaker 2 (39:15):
It depends on the circumstances. So if in the case
of inheritance, for example, then there is no rollover relief
because any tax burden that would be otherwise payable is extinguished,
you know, on the person passing away, so there is
no rollover relief there. In the case of say a
couple separating, where you have the property jointly between the

(39:36):
two of you and one couple at one half of
the couple ends up taking on the property and continuing
with it, then yes, there is a rollover relief in
those And in the.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
Cases of the purchasing of a commercial building, you're selling
your old when you're buying a new one. Is their
roleover relief?

Speaker 2 (39:50):
That's something. Yes, there is an ability to basically to
recycle your capital.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
Okay, is it inflation adjusted?

Speaker 2 (39:59):
What do you mean? Is it inflatation adjusted?

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Well, if you buy a house. Let's say you buy
a house today, right, and it's two million dollars two million?
If it's not inflation adjusted for let me give you
a real here's an example that was seen to move.
I think is the best example. So let's say you
buy an asset in two thousand for ten million dollars, right,
and then you sell it today for twenty million dollars.
On paper, you've made ten million dollars, So you should

(40:21):
be taxed on the ten million dollars.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Yes, I see what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
But the ten million dollars in two thousand is now
actually eighteen and a half million dollars twenty years later,
so you'd only be taxed on the one and a
half million dollars between the eighteen and a half to
the twenty that you sold it at.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Yeah, no, it is not inflation.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
Should it be inflation adjusted?

Speaker 2 (40:40):
That is not in our policy?

Speaker 3 (40:42):
Why not?

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Well, basically because we keept it as simple as possible.
It's a very simply designed tech system. I think everybody
can understand the system that we've come.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
Up here, But I mean, can you see how unfair
that is should be? Because let's say that today a
house in Auckland is two million dollars. But you know,
let's say, for the purposes of this, you go back
fifty years and you paid two hundred thousand dollars on it.
You're going to get a whopping big tax bill because
it's not inflation adjusted.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Remember we've kept it very simple, Heather, I'm not. It's
it only applies to future capital gains, so it doesn't
apply retrospectively, so only on the gains that you're making
the from the first of July twenty twenty seven. So
give any capital countries collect spirit.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
But given the country's collective experience with inflation eating away
your wealth, do you not think this should be inflation adjusted?

Speaker 2 (41:31):
I think we're keeping it very simple so that everybody
understands how it's going to work. Is a valuable to people?

Speaker 3 (41:37):
They go on, then tell me, do you really think
that most people want a capital gains tax?

Speaker 2 (41:41):
I think New Zealanders understand that we can't keep going
the way we go and we can't keep plowing all
of our savings into residential rental properties and not invest
in productive businesses.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
And so much harder their own home, haven't you.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
No, I don't agree here there. I think that New
Zealanders want to see us keep our talent here in
New Zealand and not forcing young New Zealanders overseas.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
All right, Hey, thanks very much for your time. Chris
Hopkins Labor Party lead to sixteen past five. Hey, here's
something a little bit mysterious for you. I've told you
that the bids most talked about vehicles are coming soon, right,
But what I haven't been able to tell you is
anything about the pricing. So what you want to do is,
on Thursday, the sixth of November, at seven o'clock at night,
you want to tune into Ecotricity's YouTube channel and you're

(42:25):
going to find out the pricing and the specs are
going to be released. It's going to be open for
pre sales for three new models, the Atto one, the
Atto two and the c Line five. And as I
told you last week, the word is that when we
do find out what the pricing is, the Atto one
is expected to be the most affordable EV in New Zealand.
And if that's true, which of course it is. It's
going to be a really big moment for evs because
it will be the moment when evs become cheaper than

(42:47):
the petrol or diesel competitors. So, as I said, you
are going to want to tune into the Eco Tricity
YouTube channel on Thursday six November at seven pm and
you can also check it all out at byd Auto
dot co dot NZ. Heather due for c Allen nineteen
past five. Here that does Chippy realize it costs around
one thousand dollars for a commercial registered valuation any Probably not,

(43:11):
I would say, judging by the answers nineteen past five. Now,
the new curriculum for years ten to A zero to
ten rather has just been released and it includes sex said,
and that includes consent being taught to kids as young
as five. Joe Robertson is a sex and relationship therapist
and is with us. Now, Hey Joe, Hi, Now look
I've had a look at this and it seems to
me like a pretty smart way of starting the kids

(43:32):
to you know, learning about this year one, two, three,
It teaches them about keeping themselves safe, four or five sex,
It teaches them about keeping other people safe. Is that
about the way you should be doing it?

Speaker 17 (43:42):
Ah, I think, to be honest, I'm attached disappointed. You know,
they don't use the word consent until year three. They
don't use the word bodies till year four, and they
don't use the word genet or till year eight. So
I'm concerned that they're using really vague terminology. They're giving
vague guidelines, but not where it's actually going to make

(44:03):
a difference, which is in what we need kids to
know that if somebody touches their body that that's sexual
harm and it's not okay. So for me, it doesn't
quite meet the mark.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
When do you think you start teaching kids like no
one should touch your privates?

Speaker 17 (44:18):
Oh, from when they can speak. You know, most of
our two year olds are three year olds. They're asking
about bodies, they're touching their siblings' bodies, they're touching your body,
you know, and so that's the beginning of consent education.
So to not use the word consent until year three
is which is my son's in year three, he's eight.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
That feels really late to me. Yeah, okay, what about
the digital stuff, you know, teaching the kids about sending
each other nudies and stuff like that. When does that happen?

Speaker 17 (44:43):
Yeah, So they've put it at year eight, so they've
said this is the time to talk about porn. They've
talked about sharing nud images and what is and is
it okay? And and I'm glad about that. I think
the piece that's worrying for me again is that the
average age that a child in New Zealand sees porn
will be twelve, So you've got about fifty percent of them.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
Prior to year eh.

Speaker 17 (45:02):
Seeing that you don't have to use the word porn
to talk about sexual content online, so you can talk
about it younger than that. You can say things like
if you.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
See videos or photos of people online without their clothes on.

Speaker 17 (45:15):
So there were ways that they could do that without
being explicit, but they've chosen not to.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
All right, Joe listen, thanks very much. I really appreciate
your take on there. That's Joe Robinson's sex and relationship therapist. Okay,
let me tell you the texts are going hot and
it's not good for labour. So we'll get to that shortly.
Five point twenty two.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in
your car on your drive home.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
It's Heather duplicl and drive with one. New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Had the power of satellite mobile news talks, they'd be hither.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
At the moment, we're waiting two months plus for evaluation.
And that's before we get into the CGT stuff. I'll
get to the texts and a tack five twenty five.
Before I get to that, though, Can I just point
out that we missed a really big birthday last week,
which is on Friday, the twenty fourth of October, the
United Nations turned eighty. Now, I know, like you do,
there are some birthdays, especially with a big zero at

(46:04):
the end, that you really don't want to mark, and
this feels like one of them, because I feel like
the last time the UN had this much of a
reputational issue was maybe back in the Rwanda genocide of
the nineties when they were warned that the massacre was
about to happen and they ignored it and actually let
it happen. That is the last time I think things
have been as bad as they are right now for
the UN, because this time the problem is they just
got busted a couple of years ago with their own

(46:25):
staff crossing the border of Gaza into Israel and slaughtering
innocent people is And what I'm trying to tell you
is they were employing terrorists. And while that has either
largely been forgotten by most people around the world, even
though it only happened a couple of years ago, Israel
hasn't forgotten it. Israel is still pretty dark on the
United Nations, and for that reason, in various others, they
will not let the UN into Gaza to distribute aid,

(46:47):
which is not a great look for the UN because
the UN is basically being sidelined as people starve. Now,
that's not even to mention the fact that we have
more war on at the moment than most of us
can remember in our lifetimes when the UN was a
stabled to prevent war, and that while that happens, while
Russia keeps on pounding Ukraine day after day, and Gaza
remains a very delicate situation. The boss of the UN

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has got himself distracted today by trying to control world temperatures,
which is probably well, it's absolutely well intentioned, but it
is absolutely the UN straying outside of its lane, isn't it?
Like it has in so many ways? Now, I won't
ignore the good the UN has done for the world.
It's fed people, it's inoculated people, it's brought people together
to keep the peace in a whole bunch of situations.

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But right now I would say the UN's in one
of its darker times, and a birthday is probably best
ignored lest it draw attention to what the UN has
become of late.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
Ever due for see Ellens Hither.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
I've never been a Hipkins fan, but by his standards,
that was a train smash into view. He's getting worse. Hither,
that was as close to a train wreck. Tax policy
as I've ever heard. That's from Frank Hither. If CGT
is not inflation adjusted as just an absolute, a blatant grab.
I'm not against a fair and balanced CGT, but to
not allow for inflation is the work of a grifter.
Good luck getting people to vote for that good luck

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in the first place. Heither, So Chippy wants us to
pay for evaluation that we don't want, for attacks that
we don't want. Is the valuation deductible too? Heather Absolute
amateur hour with Chippy. Cheers Pete. Heather. Chippy uses the
word simple over and over again, but that sounded complicated.
Flawed and full of loopholes. I am stoked because it
means labor are not going to get anywhere near power

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for another three years. Heather, do they realize Mum and dad,
landlords like us are just going to sell our intols
Now I think this is going well for labor? What
do you think? Anyway? I tell you who else is
also not having a great time? Netball New Zealand. They
with us next news talks.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
They'd be.

Speaker 4 (48:43):
Cutting through the noise to get the facts.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
It's Heather, duper cell and drive with one New Zealand
coverage like no one else news talks.

Speaker 10 (48:52):
They'd be.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
As per usual we have, well it's not as per usual.
It's usually on a Monday, but it's a long weekend.
So today Tuesday, we're going to have the Finance Minister,
Nichola Willis with us after six o'clock. I also have
to get you across what the NBR has just done,
which is they've just crack down on a whole bunch
of organizations sharing a password. You know where you get
one password and you'll let fifty people at work use it.
You can't do it anymore. They're with us in an
hour's time. To talk us through it. Twenty five away

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from six now, as I told you on Friday, would happen.
Dame Nolan Toto has been reinstated as the Silver Fern's
head coach. She's back immediately, but she won't actually take
up coaching until the end of the year, after the
Northern Tour is over. Jenny Wiley is the chief executive
of Netball New Zealand. Hi Jenny, Hi, Heather. Okay, can
you tell us now why you stood her down?

Speaker 6 (49:38):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (49:39):
I think it's been well documented that we had player
concerns raised and without what to work through. Oh. Look,
these are confidential concerns. We're a workplace like anywhere else,
and play athletes and employees need to be able to
raise things knowing they'll be retained in confidence. So we're

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treating it no differently to any any workplace.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
Okay, So has she apologized for the things that they
raised concerns over.

Speaker 14 (50:08):
Well, I think it's acknowledged that these concerns were things
that I personally, as CE could not walk past, and
that means that we all need to acknowledge that these
were legitimate for the people that raised them. And what
we're really pleased about is we've been able to reach
were going to work through.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
Those Has she apologized for those things?

Speaker 14 (50:30):
Well, Knowles has not been in that environment, So being
able to get in front of those players after the
Northern Tour and work through these things will no doubt
entail an acknowledgment of the concerns and in particular, how
we're going to move forward.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
So she has acknowledged that those complaints were legit.

Speaker 14 (50:49):
I think she's acknowledged that, you know, in a high
performance environment there is a balance that needs to exist
between how do you find the edge but also who
people are, and I think we've been working on how
do we keep that balance top of mind for the
well being of these athletes. So being able to acknowledge
that concerns exist and that we're going to work through

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them has been, you know, a really important factor for everyone.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
So she has acknowledged she was wrong.

Speaker 14 (51:18):
Well, I think you will need to speak to Knowles
about what she plans on acknowledging or not with her athletes.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
But hold on a take. In order for you guys
to bring her back, you must have had some acknowledgment
from her. Has she acknowledged to you that she's wrong.

Speaker 14 (51:31):
She has acknowledged that concerns exist in the environment, but
she is also in a place where she is working
with us on how do we move forward and put
the right process is in place.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
Has she acknowledged she was wrong?

Speaker 14 (51:47):
I think she's acknowledged that concerns have existed in that environment.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
Yeah, okay, so she's acknowledged that there are concerns. We
know there are concerns because the concerns were raised. Has
she acknowledged that she was wrong? If she hasn't acknowledged
that she was wrong, have you guys cleared her.

Speaker 14 (52:02):
Look, we have worked through a process with her, and
we have acknowledgment of these issues. These are things that
high performance environments work around all the time.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
Uncleared Jenny and she had this. Looks to me, So
are you going to go to the players and tell
them that they were wrong to raise this?

Speaker 14 (52:24):
Not at all? Not at all. I think everyone is saying,
so the players were concerns that we're we are saying
that the player concerns have been listened to, we are
putting processes in place.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
What are those processes.

Speaker 14 (52:39):
Well, there's there's a number of things. So we've got
the period between now and year end to be able
to talk about what well being frameworks need to exist
to strengthen play a voice. We'll be using specialists from
throughout the sporting system. So I think sport has a
bit of a past or a checkered pass of how

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we deal with player concerns or athlete wellbeing or coach wellbeing.
So there's heaps of learnings that we're going to put
in place, and then we're going to determine how do
we roll these out into our environment.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
A bit of a working group from that place to
stop whatever it is that Noles did last time from
happening again.

Speaker 14 (53:22):
Yep, We've got the next three months as a working
party on these frameworks that we believe need to be true.
We have some processes already that are in development, but
we need to be able to have player voice in that.
At the moment, those players are in a campaign and
so we need to be able to introduce the right

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mechanisms to hear what the players need. We need the player.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
Realizing to any normal person, this just sounds like a
crop right now.

Speaker 14 (53:52):
You know that ain't well, well, I think it's not.
I mean, our intention is to be able to ensure
that our system is stronger as a result of this,
and we do believe that we've got processes that we're
going to be able to put into place and ensure
that strengthening of voice around the around the table for everyone.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
So what this looks like to any normal person is
Nole's got stood down. Nothing has actually changed, She's got
brought back. Somebody made the wrong decision to stand her down.
Then who stood her down?

Speaker 14 (54:23):
So the Nipbor New Zealand board took the decision that
because we were unable to reach agreement, So that needed
to be true, Big Compennan.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
Sorry, did Matt win a Ray stand her down?

Speaker 10 (54:35):
No?

Speaker 14 (54:35):
If the Nipple New Zealand board took that decision.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
The entire board and.

Speaker 14 (54:39):
The board took that decision, yea.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
And they made a mistakes because you guys have stood
you stood down a world class coach for two months
and then you've just brought her back and nothing has changed.
So that says that standing her down was a mistake.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Am I right?

Speaker 14 (54:55):
Not at all? No, we were unable to reach a
mutual agreement the changes that were needed in that environment
in the heat of going into test matches. So that's
what we've been working on in the last two months,
is reaching that agreement about the changes that were needed
in the system and in the sul furs In story.

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And to ensure that.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
You haven't you haven't reached any agreement, there is going
to be like some working group that's going to be
set up for the next few months to do it.
So you've brought her back without even that being decided.

Speaker 14 (55:27):
Well, what we do have is our interim coaches will
remain excuse me, with the Ferns over the next few
months and that allows us that time to work when
we're not in a player facing environment, to sure up
the systems that will be required and will provide the
safeguards for everybody.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
Okay, Jenny, thanks for your time. I do appreciate it.
I'm good luck with everything. Jenny Wiley, Chief Executive Netborn,
New Zealand, eighteen away from six The.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
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Speaker 3 (55:58):
With you this evening. Joseph Guaney, the CEO of Child Fund,
and Trishurst and Shirson Willis p are High you too. Hello, Right,
let's deal with the CGT now. I would say, Josie,
it's a vote repellent. What do you think.

Speaker 18 (56:10):
Well, if you go out and say do you.

Speaker 19 (56:13):
Want a capital gains tax? Of course everyone's going to
go no. I mean, no one likes paying tax. Right,
But if you go out and ask people, do you
want to pay more tax on your income to pay
for the services and the massive deficit that the government's
got and the massive debt and the fact that we're
all getting older and so on and so on and
so on. Right, In other words, if you if you

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frame the question differently, which is a more realistic framing,
I don't want to pay more income tax. Do you
want people who are making income from capital gains on
property that a tax, not tax at all at the moment,
and it's still income. Do you want that income to
be treated the same as your wages? Then the answer
will probably be yes. So I do think if you

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if you're going to say you don't want a capital
gains tax, the point about tax is that someone has
to pay more tax if you're not going to tax property.
That's been the truth for a long long time. And
so that's the real question, Heather, not do you want
a capital gains tax? But you know, do you want
the services that tax pays for? And if we're going
to need more money, do you want to pay.

Speaker 18 (57:18):
Or do you want others to pay?

Speaker 3 (57:19):
Okay, so I'm going to reframe it, Trisha, Would you
like to pay a capital gains tax so that we
can pay for really rich people to go to the
doctor three times a year for free?

Speaker 18 (57:29):
Well, no, I absolutely don't. I don't think a case
has been made today for a capital gains tax. And
this isn't the kind of capital gains tax that has
been talked about in the past, which is a way
of sort of rebalancing the tax system. I think there's
a couple of things that stuck out to me. One is,

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if you take last week's sort of future fund announcement
from Labor that wasn't very well handled. If you take
the fact that this policy was then leaked and it
had to be rushed out today, and then you look
at the policy itself, it's way too complicated. It's confused again,
it's trying to do too many things.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
I think the.

Speaker 18 (58:15):
Question is heating up around whether or not Chris Hipkins
will retain the leadership heading into the next election. Really,
I absolutely do I think that these first policy outings
have been bad for Labor. I don't think they'll get
them a boost in the post in the polls, and

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I think it probably will raise questions in the party
about whether they should have done the work, not only
the policy work sooner, but the work around, whether or
not Chris Hipkins is their best is their best bet.
But I also think again, you know, this is back
to the Labor Party that people got so frustrated with

(58:56):
over six years, because it's all about government meddling. So
you've got this very narrow CGT and then you're saying
we're going to ring fence it, and then it goes
over to here to some medic card and then there's
free GP visits. Well, you know Auckland is remember the
Auckland Regional Fuel Tax which was supposed to be ring
fenced for Auckland regional infrastructure, and we are not one

(59:20):
meter of road further on having paid that and now
thankful let springscrat.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
Having hang on, Josey, everything you're about to say, I
want to hear after the break hang on fourteen away from.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
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Speaker 3 (59:36):
Well the wea from six go go, Josie.

Speaker 19 (59:38):
Well, one thing I was going to say is I
wish they'd made it for free GP visits, because saying
three free GP visits is really really hard.

Speaker 18 (59:46):
But that's that's by the bye.

Speaker 19 (59:48):
Look, whatever you think of Tippy as the Labor leader,
whatever you think of the Labor Party, this is not
some kind of you know, socialist extreme tax system. I
mean this is this is a more conservative version of
capital game tax than just about every other country has.
And I still think if you if you're going to
say no to something as targeted and small as this,
you have to say, how are you going to answer

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Treasury who said that in order to pay our bills,
our debt are deficit and the costs of the fact
we're all getting older, we're going to need retirement. You know,
they're suggesting that the options are we increase the retirement
age to seventy two, or we increase GST to thirty
two double its, or you cut spending. But I don't

(01:00:30):
think there's a I think you can cut some spending,
weathers efficiencies to make, but there's not a lot of
fat there. Heather I mean even you know everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
I think Joe's we are currently paying for third year
university students to go to university for free because it
was a policy one time. It doesn't even make any sense.
There's heaps, that's right, but.

Speaker 19 (01:00:51):
There's not heaps of it. I don't think there's heaps
of it. I think there's still in the national part
National government. The Coalition government have done a job trying
to cut as much as they can. So I don't
think if you asked Nikola Willis today what else can
you catch, you would say, We're pretty We're pretty much
cut all the fat we can. So you've still got
to answer. Do you increase the retirement at to a

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ridiculous seventy two or GST double it to thirty two percent?
Or do you tax all income the same and give
a break to wage journals and tax those who make
money out of property and don't pay tax on the
capital is you have to make a choice.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
So is there anything you want to say before we
move on to something else? I feel like I'm happy
to move on.

Speaker 18 (01:01:35):
No my right of reply, I think that I do.
I do think that argument is flawed though, because again,
look at the quantum that this will raise, and in
the scheme of things, it's not enough to be transformational
or address any of those big structural challenges. Again, it's
kind of it's a peanuts under the cup kind of

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an exercise.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
I do think. So all right, what do you think, Trishia.
I just want to quick take from me to you.
What do you think is going on with Saparty Maori?
How does this thing ends? That with nutrition?

Speaker 18 (01:02:09):
Yes, I mean, who knows where this is going to end?
But I think it is just getting more and more
into an absolute maya of mismanagement. It's not even two
weeks ago that Party Maori leadership fronted up in Parliament
and said, hey, we're having a reset. We've heard everyone

(01:02:30):
and we're getting on with it. And I was just thinking, actually,
it was only last year that we had the last
MP suspended by a party which was Darling Tana under
the Greens. But you know, even even then, the Greens
ran a process around that that was public, it was documented,
you knew what the stages of it were, even though

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timings ran over. But here, you know, the leadership of
Ta Party Maori is absent. They have not set out
a process or a timeline, and also bearing in mind
the fact that this is an electric MP that they're
dealing with. So again it's different from Darling Tana, who
was a listing P. So I think it's just an
absolute mess for to party, MARII and it's a real

(01:03:13):
shame actually for all of their constituents that that the
party seems to be falling apart at the scenes in
this way.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
Okay, jose I'm coming back to you with somebody's text.
What about we scrap acc. Not every country has an acc.

Speaker 19 (01:03:29):
Why would we do that? You want to go back
to period where we've got.

Speaker 14 (01:03:33):
But who every time?

Speaker 19 (01:03:37):
Yeah, like every time you arrive in a city in
the US, the massive billboard saying lawyer available.

Speaker 18 (01:03:42):
You had an accident at work?

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
Great? Just that, well, you asked for an idea. I
would I'd rather scrape ACC than have a CGT. Anyway, listen, guys,
we'll leave it. Thank you so much. Joseph Ganny shares
in our heart of this evening.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
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Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Here.

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
The government spending is now thirty two percent of the
economy compared to twenty seven percent under Bill English. So
how can Josie say there's no fat to cut Heather.
People need to remember that this CGT is actually the
trojan horse. The end goal is a comprehensive capital gain tax,
which is easier to achieve with the targeted beachhead in place,
which is bang on. I mean, if you think this
is where it ends, you're dreaming right. It starts. It's

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like the bright line test that JK. Browden john Key
starts at two years, Nick minute, Grant makes it five years,
then Grant makes it ten years, then it gets wound back.
But this is it's in. Then it starts to expand. Hither,
you've legit had just two You've legit just had two
interviews in the last forty five minutes with people who
don't have any faith in what they're saying. Chippy and
Jenny the Sex Lady was by far the most confident speaker,

(01:04:48):
for sure, thank you will. She actually didn't know what
she was talking about. She didn't have to worry about
too much there. Oh, by the way, four away from
six Edu Kappa KINGI I just I see this has
just popped up in the Herald Kupa Kinghi is now
taking legal action or has at least got lawyers involved
with what he says is against the Maori Party, some
false court at all about his family, which I think,

(01:05:10):
I think most of us would call defamation possibly. Anyway,
did you see. I don't know about you, but I
have this. I quite enjoy the letters to the editor
because people make some really great little points in there.
And Stephen from Birkenhead wrote one to the editor over
the weekend and said, is the Chase New Zealand really
Kiwi Television? And he said the Chase quiz show has

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made under license to an English entertainment company. It has
been filmed in an Australian television studio. The chases are
English and Australian. The quiz master, Paul Henry, now resides
in Palm Springs in the United States, and the contestants
have to pay for their own air fare to Sydney.
So is it really Key Wee after all? Which is
a fair point to make. Clearly, nothing about it is

(01:05:52):
Kiwi at all other than the fact it's going to
play on TV and Z. But lots of other things
that aren't Key We play on TV and z anyway,
listen got me wondering would you pay for your own
airfare to go to Australia to appear on the show?

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
Would you?

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
Because if I was completely honest with you, I would.
Wouldn't you just to be in that? It'll be quite fun.
It's the chase. The chase is fantastic. Anyway, Nikola, how much.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
Would it cost you?

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
I pay for some airfairs to Melbourne recently and in
New Zealand. You're not wanting to book with them? I
think anyway. Nikola Willis is with us next News to
the TV.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
Keeping track of where the money is flowing. The Business
Hour with hand the duels Alan and Mass for insurance
investments and Kiwye Saber, you're in good hands.

Speaker 4 (01:06:46):
News talks that'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
Evening coming up in the next hour. Jamie McKay on
how the farmers down south are fairing the NBR owner
on him forcing the subscribers to pay more for the
passwords they're sharing. And we're going to head to the
UK as well as seven PAS six and with us
now is Nichola Willis the Finance Minister High Nikola.

Speaker 9 (01:07:05):
Hi, Heather, I listened to your interview with Chris Hipkins,
and I'd just like to point out to him page
eight of his own policy which he released today, which
said that commercial and residential properties will get an opening.

Speaker 18 (01:07:19):
Value on valuation day.

Speaker 9 (01:07:22):
So his policy is already falling apart because that is
actually what it says, and he didn't know that detail.
He also said that if you sell a commercial property,
you won't pay CGT if you buy a new one. Well,
that's completely different from what the Tax Working Group said,
which means their costings have already fallen apart.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
Right, So this is the rollover relief. So are you
saying that this means that the do you think that
they have in factored this into their own numbers?

Speaker 9 (01:07:49):
No, I think that he's making it up as he
goes along. This is classical labor. This is half baked.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
It's key.

Speaker 9 (01:07:54):
We build like it's Oh look, here's an extra tax.
It will solve all the world's problems. Well, because the
Zeelanders are smart, because Nicola.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
I think so. Do you think that they have largely
lifted the Tax Working Group's workings here? They've just nicked them.
And if we're on their own then they lose money.

Speaker 9 (01:08:12):
So based on their own statements today. They've based their
costings on the Tax Working Group proposal, and that proposal,
if you sold a property and received a gain on it,
you would pay a tax. What he said in your
interview was if you sold a commercial property, but you
then bought a new one, you wouldn't pay tax on

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the previous sale. That's completely different from what the Tax
Working Group said. Now he's either mucked up because he
doesn't know his own policy, or his costings have already
fallen apart, and this is going to be even more
of a disaster than we'd already imagined.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
So I was going to ask you the first question
I was going to be I was going to ask you,
was how stoked to you that they've released a capital
gains tax policy? I don't think I need to I
can hear it in your voice.

Speaker 18 (01:08:59):
Well, look, here's the thing.

Speaker 9 (01:09:01):
We know that Labor for years has been tempted by
this forbidden fruit, which is, let's just tax hard working
people more. They love that, but previous prime ministers under
Labor have seen that that's ultimately not a good idea.
And today Chris Hipkins gave into the temptation. He's dipped
his hand into the forbidden cookie jar, and we all

(01:09:24):
know when you do that, you don't stop at one cookie,
do you? You keep going. And he's already said today
that he's not ruling out additional taxes as part of
Labour's broader fiscal plan. So I'm just pleased that New
Zealand today can see Labour's alternative for what it is.
It's a labor to party Marty Green's government that will

(01:09:44):
tax you more, drive the country further into debt, and
put the economy at risk. And we have an alternative
which is about building confidence, backing those people with aspiration,
backing savers and investors, and ensuring we have a strong
economy that benefits us.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
Now, has in New Zealand's new CEO spoken to you
yet about subsidizing the regional roots.

Speaker 9 (01:10:06):
No, he hasn't, And I would characterize his comments as
more thinking loud than a formal proposal. And I would
expect that if your New Zealand were to make a
proposal like that, it would be properly thought through. And
my first response would be have you done everything you

(01:10:29):
can to get your own house in order commercially? And
I'm not convinced at the stage that they have.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
Do you reckon? They're just trying this on because they're
going to have to shut down some regional routes by
the sounds of things at some stage. And if they
do that then they can blame you guys, because you
didn't want to subsidize it. Is that what's going on here?

Speaker 9 (01:10:48):
Well, here's the thing around the world. There are airlines
that are making pretty big profits right now in New
Zealand hasn't been. He made those comments off the back
of a really poor financial result, and so I guess
he's reaching for answers. Well, the answer isn't to take
money away from schools, hospitals and other essential public services.

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The answer is for in New Zealand to deliver its
own commercial offering more efficiently and better.

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
Now, I saw last week the Social Media Band Bill
has been drawn out of the Biscuit Tin. So when
can we expect that to be law?

Speaker 9 (01:11:24):
Well, it's been drawn out of the Biscuit Tin, so
that means that it will go on the order paper
and on the Members Days, which are every second Wednesday,
it'll eventually come up for first reading. Then it will
go off to a Select Committee for consideration and deliberation.
So you shouldn't expect it to be law anytime soon.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
Oh why not prioritize it?

Speaker 9 (01:11:46):
Well, what we're doing is two things. The first is
that members bill process, which I think will be constructive
and helpful. The other thing is that the government itself
is leading its own work in the area. Erica Stanford
is leading that work, and so I think there could
be an opportunity for the government to decide on its

(01:12:09):
own measures in this area. But I don't want to
take away from Catherine Wedd's bill. I think she's putting
an important issue on the table that there is a
discussion that the public want to have. I know plenty
of mum and dads are really worried about the harm
that results from kids being online all the time. But
how this comes together into a law is you know,

(01:12:31):
there's a bit of order to go under that bridge.

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
Okay, so is this something you might take to the election?

Speaker 9 (01:12:37):
Look potentially, But as I say, there's a government minister
working on these issues right now. But this is a
priority area for national We've heard loud and clear from
mums and dads that they're worried about social media harm
and we do want to do what we can sensibly
to address it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
Okay, now you're not seriously considering shutting down glory of
l are you.

Speaker 9 (01:12:58):
Well, No, what's happening is there's a group of ministers
who are responding to the fact that when the Royal
Commission did its inquiry into abuse and state care, they
specifically called out the issues of abuse at Gloria Vail
and pointed to the need for a coordinated approach to
that because obviously it's not just an issue for or

(01:13:18):
rang A Tamariki, it's also an issue for the Ministry
of Education, the Ministry for Social Development, a range of
government agencies. So those ministers are responding to that recommendation
by working together with the sole goal of preventing children
from being abused or being hearted.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
Yes, And one of them said, they're not ruling out
shutting it down, but under what law could you possibly
shut it down?

Speaker 9 (01:13:41):
Well, I think that there could be particular functions that,
if they don't meet the legal requirements, could stop, like schools,
for example.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
But that doesn't shut a community down. You can still
homeschool the kids.

Speaker 9 (01:13:54):
Yeah, that's right, and so I think shut it down?
Can you, Well, we can make sure that the laws
of the land are upheld, and that requires being quite active,
getting in there and seeing what's really happening, working with
the leaders to ensure that kids there are safe.

Speaker 3 (01:14:09):
Okay, hey, thank you, Nichola, appreciate it. Nichola Willis Finance Minister.
What did I say to you at the very start
of the show about the NATS loving the capital gains tax?
That tells you everything you need to know. It's a
vote repellent for labor.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
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Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
Heather off Labor had implemented this CGT plan four years ago,
they would not have earned a cent over those four years.
According to the ARII and z House stats. Cheers Mark
Fairport to make doesn't there'll be no money coming in
to pay for those free doctors' visits in the last
few years. Eighteen past six.

Speaker 4 (01:14:46):
The Rural Report on Heather Dupericy.

Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
Allen Jamie mckaye, host of the Countries with Us, Hello,
Jamie good, I hear that right. How's it going down
south with the dairy farms.

Speaker 6 (01:14:56):
Oh, it's a bit of a battle to be perfectly honest,
it's not only the dairies. Farmers, the late landing sheep
farmers are getting a bit of a wee bit of
a pasting now with the out of seasoned snow. You
don't expect snow to be hanging around at the end
of October. But yeah, look, dairy farmers are the biggest
problem because at this time of the year, normally, unless
they're on a once a day milking regime, cows are

(01:15:18):
milk twice a day. The creatures have habit. When the
power goes off and they can't be milked, they get
very uncomfortable. Indeed, we have seen some cow deaths, certainly
animal welfare issues around the likes of mastitis and that
because a lot of these cows have gone on to
once a day while they're being milked with the generators.
There's still like over two hundred dairy farms. In fact,

(01:15:41):
it's probably more than that without power, including the one
I'm involved with down in western Southland. So this morning's
numbers are on the power and power need are doing
a great job down there. They're probably they've probably alleviated
these a weebit, but six two hundred and fifty customers
in Southland two and a half thousand and Targo mainly
southwest Otargo still without power. So it's a real issue.

(01:16:05):
And I know that the Rural Support Trust are now
moving their concerns from animal welfare to human welfare. A
lot of these farmers are fatigued. They've been going flat
out for four or five days now. They may not
have had showers, proper meals, or even looking after themselves properly.
So look at it. As I said to you, I

(01:16:26):
think on Thursday, when this was just a brand new problem,
it's a problem that's going to take weeks and months
to fix other than day. Some of those some of
the power won't be on on some of those farms
until the end of the week at earliest.

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
Listen, Jennie, I didn't get enough time with Chippy to
ask him absolutely everything. Do you know the farm is
excluded from the capital gains tax? But do you know
whether that includes things like orchards and horticulturalists and stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:16:51):
Well, yes, i'd assume so, I mean, but let's be
honest with this. This Chippy's cap. I had a good
debate with Tami and O'Connor on this one. Today it
kind of is a wee bit of taking from the
rich and giving to the rich. Really, when you think
about it, because people like you and I know you're rich,
and I'm battling away my hardest as I can here,
but we don't need a free doctors or three free

(01:17:17):
doctor's appointments in a year. So what are they actually
achieving by this tax. It's a very it's a very
narrow tax. As you pointed out on one of your texts,
did it's not going to gather much money. This is
just an exercise, in my humble opinion, and I've been
wrong on numerous occasions before. It's dipping your toe in
the water, flying a kite. This is the tip of

(01:17:37):
the iceberg. This is politically palatable. I'll try and get
this one past the goalie, but watch out New Zealand
off Chippy taparty Maori and the Greens get elected come
twenty twenty six, it's game on for a really good
capital gains tax, or maybe even if the Greens or
to Party Murray get their way, a wealth tax that'd

(01:17:59):
be good for the economy.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
Agree with you, it's just the start of something. Hey,
thank you very much. Jamie has always appreciated Jamie McKay,
host of the Country. Yeah, okay, now listen, Charles is
having a distinct time because of what Andrew's doing, isn't
he He was He was out and about during a
public walk about overnight and he got heckled.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
Oh you learn about Andrew and that space.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
Not great because they were hoping that they, being the Royals,
were hoping that this would have died about nine days
ago last weekend, like, not this weekend, that just went
last weekend before that on the Saturday. They were hoping
when they stripped him of his titles and be the
end of this. But no, it's still going day nine,
day ten, whatever. The latest is. Prince Andrew has reportedly

(01:18:47):
agreed to move out of Royal Lodge, so he's happy
to go to Frogmore Cottage, but which is the one
that has it and megs we're in. But the problem
is Fergie doesn't want to go to frog More Cottage
is probably little bit small to be cooped up in
that house with Andrew, so she Adelaide Cottage, which is
the mansion that William Cat and the kids currently live in.
So these two are making the most epic demands of

(01:19:08):
the royal family will have a chat to Elizabeth Callahan
caught us to seven. She's in for Ender Brady today
six twenty two.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
Whether it's Macro microbe for just playing economics. It's all
on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and to
mass for insurance investments and the Kiwi Safer.

Speaker 4 (01:19:24):
You're in good hands news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
That'd be hey. So, as I was telling you, the
NBR has got a bit of a win under itspelt.
They took legal action against companies that they reckon we
sharing passwords like that buy one NBR subscription and then
share the password and the logan with all the stuff.
And so these guys got them to cough up. The
NBR got them to cough up. We're going to talk
to the owner, Todd Scott, about ten minutes time. Can

(01:19:47):
I just draw your attention to something that I am
super uncomfortable about how this has played out. I don't
know if you remember this, but there was the story
of a guy in Paremo Remo, not in the prison,
but just in the suburb north of Auckland, who over
two women and their dogs some time ago and left
them for dead. He's now been named He's a chap
who has got something to do with an electrical company.

(01:20:08):
I mean, he means nothing to me. He's with laser
plumbing and for nuapie's name of Solomon Barnes. But anyway,
that's the new thing. But I did not realize when
I was reading this how what had happened that day
while he was driving down this road. He was on
a zoom call, for God's sake, on a zoom call,
and then trying to call his mum, so he was distracted,
did not see the two women and their dogs, ran

(01:20:30):
into them, kept driving, did not like ran into two
people and didn't go back and check are these people alive?
Just left them there. They lay there, injured, unable to
do anything. I think one of them must have called
the sun. The sun came and helped them, called the ambit.
It would have been terrifying. But after all of that, right,
so this guy doesn't hat and run. After all of that,

(01:20:51):
do you know what punishment he got for it? He
got community work and a disqualification from driving for a
little bit. All he got for driving women. If they're
running these women over and not checking that, that seems
to me woefully inadequate. Does it not to you. Also,
if this is what people are doing on their phones,
I think we need to increase the punishment, don't you.
Twenty seven perst six.

Speaker 4 (01:21:12):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 12 (01:21:15):
Now we're all here, we've moved.

Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
To Lily Allen new albums, West End Girl. It's landed
like a bombshell. Let me tell you why because it's
about her now ex husband David Harper Harbor, who is
the cop from Stranger Things. The album goes through his
affair that he had an emotional affair with a woman
after he asked Lily Allen for an open relationship while
she was away working on a play in London. So

(01:21:38):
she writes about the emotional turmoil and she references a
potential relapse on drugs and alcohol to deal with the stress,
and fans have responded with overwhelming support, even outlining their
own questionable open relationships.

Speaker 19 (01:21:49):
I think this is actually happening, and a lot more
relationships than we even know.

Speaker 18 (01:21:53):
I tried it myself and it was I was a
person that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:56):
Didn't want to do it, but I read every.

Speaker 18 (01:21:58):
Book on nominogamy.

Speaker 17 (01:21:59):
I research the hell out of it to try and
understand and be that my partner, but it doesn't always work.

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
It can, but it doesn't. Nothink probably not a lot actually,
but anyway, So in the song this is where it
gets really nally. In the song Madeline, Lily Allen is
discussing this woman directly, and then she starts, you know,
recreating some of the direct messages between herself and the woman.
The woman has now outed herself. Her name is Natalie Tippett.
She's told The Daily Mail that the two she and

(01:22:26):
old mate's husband ex husband met on the set of
a movie where she was the costume designer, and she
doesn't want to talk about it now because she has
a family and things to protect, she said. But the
trouble for everybody involved in this is that David Harbor
is about to go on a big press tour to
promote the final season of Stranger Things, which is coming
out next month. Guess what everybody's going to be asking
him about. Mm hmm, This song and Madeline. So there

(01:22:50):
you go. Enjoy Todd Scott of the NBA with us.

Speaker 20 (01:22:53):
Next Everything from SMEs to the Big Corporates, The Business
Hour with Heather duplicl and Mass for Insurance Investments and

(01:23:14):
Huey saber and you're.

Speaker 4 (01:23:15):
In good hands.

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
News Talks dB, we're after the UK and ten minutes time,
what about this Heather. A few months ago there was
an elderly couple who will run over on the footpath
outside the christ Church Court. The driver tried to do
a runner. The police chase after him on foot and
he crashed and they've decided not to charge him with

(01:23:36):
fleeing the scene. It's disgusting, unbelievable. Twenty three away from
seven now, the NBR is celebrating a big win in
a major copyright lawsuit. They took legal action against companies
that were sharing passwords for payward subscriptions, arguing that doing
so is essentially stealing content. The companies have now settled
with the NBA cover the legal costs, agreed to buy
the proper number of subscriptions. Todd Scott is a businessman

(01:23:57):
and who's the owner of the MBI here and he's
with us high time, what.

Speaker 12 (01:24:01):
Good greetings, how are you and very well.

Speaker 3 (01:24:02):
Thank you know how many subscriptions were they sharing amongst themselves?

Speaker 12 (01:24:08):
It was it was it was a case of just
buying a few subscriptions and overusing those subscriptions. I don't
really want to go into details, and I got to say, there,
but for the grace, go there, for the grace of God,
go I There'd be plenty of CEOs who weren't aware,
aren't aware of what's going on in their organizations, but
it's quite well spread. And really what this is is

(01:24:30):
just a friendly warning shot. It's like, you know, if
we were playing a sport, to be the referee getting
the two captains together saying, hey, listen, if you guys
don't sort out your teams, there's going to be some
serious consequences. You know, go on, talk to your teams.
And that's really what I'm doing. I'm talking to CEO saying,
I know you don't know what's going on, but it
is actually your job to know. You are accountable, you
are responsible, and it's just it's just straight out theft.

(01:24:53):
I mean. We introduce the payball back in July two
thousand and nine, so we actually started off with an
eye subscription model, which isn't all you can eat companies
pay for it. But in twenty twenty, due to COVID
and people working from home, that didn't work anymore because
the IT managers didn't want people accessing VPN from home.
So my wife, who's really the brains of the business, Jackie,

(01:25:16):
she actually had been working on another project where we
actually introduce group premium subscriptions. So we're not changing anything.
These corporates are buying groups, they assigned the subscriptions to
people in their employment, and they should be using those
for themselves, not letting other people share their password. But

(01:25:38):
it goes on, but it can't go on anymore for
us because MBR doesn't take government funding. We don't take
advertising where one hundred percent funded by a member subscribers.
We've got fifteen seniors, one intermediate. Our biggest group subscriber
is three hundred that generates fifty four thousand dollars a
year plus GST. That's not even enough for a junior.

Speaker 3 (01:26:00):
Did you take action because they had bought a subscription
and they were sharing it amongst themselves as staff, or
they were sharing it outside of the organization.

Speaker 12 (01:26:08):
They were sharing it with staff and outside the organization,
but just the fact that they were sharing it. You know,
we have a scaling model. We have very attractive scaling models,
and it's just a case of people understanding when you
do that, you are literally stealing. There is no other
way that NBA can generate money. So when you rob

(01:26:29):
us of that opportunity, it is stealing. And what happens
heither you know this the supermarkets, the theft, you know,
all the shoplifting, there's a name for it, they call
it shrinkage. And ultimately what ends up happening is the
customer actually has to pay for it. So when you
go to the supermarket, they've built in the fact somebody's
going to Nike this, so Heather year to pay more
for it. And I don't want our loyal member subscribers

(01:26:52):
to have to incur another price increase because our content
and our platform has been ripped off.

Speaker 3 (01:26:58):
Have organizations other than the ones that you have settled
with got the message and started buying subs?

Speaker 18 (01:27:04):
I hope.

Speaker 12 (01:27:04):
So because I've got it, we've actually come up with
a sophisticated system and method.

Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
You could go, yes, we can, and what are you saying.

Speaker 12 (01:27:12):
That we we it's not pretty and we have a
short list and we're going after that now.

Speaker 3 (01:27:18):
So this is not the end of it. You're coming
after the other people. They're not the same thing.

Speaker 12 (01:27:23):
Absolutely, and I've been I've been quite I've been quite
honest and quite open and I think generous. You know,
there's an amnesty until the end of November, you know,
tidy up house. Otherwise, I'm not going to let you
get away with a settlement. I'm going to take it
all the way through the courts. It's a serious thing.

Speaker 3 (01:27:41):
How can you tell if someone is sharing a password
with too many people when.

Speaker 12 (01:27:45):
You're looking at the data and the analytics that I
get to look at with my team, It's that there's
alarm bells that go off pretty quickly.

Speaker 3 (01:27:53):
Like you will see the same password and user name
and password combo logging on across all kinds of different device.

Speaker 12 (01:28:00):
And there's there's there's different IP addresses, so you know,
so a really obvious one that we found with one
of these particular companies it was an IP address from
a person in Australia that was also logging on in
New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
Okay, Now, how many subs did these ones that you
settled with take on after you settled with them?

Speaker 12 (01:28:18):
A great number more than they had. Give me a number,
Although I have to say I think my lawyer did
slightly better out of this arrangement than I did.

Speaker 3 (01:28:28):
Say, is it actually worth it. I mean for the
cost of legal action.

Speaker 12 (01:28:32):
For well, it cost me nothing. They paid for it,
which was kind of.

Speaker 3 (01:28:35):
Does successful right, So is it worth it?

Speaker 12 (01:28:38):
Well, I am so far you thank you. I wouldn't
have gone after them if I didn't know that they
were sitting ducks.

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
Lord Todd, thank you very much, Todd Scott businessman, an
NBR own God, be honest, be honest, you do it.
We'll do it, don't we share? Somebody said, yep, yep,
go on. I'm not saying necessarily the NBR, but maybe
also the NBR. Tod's coming for you. Eighteen away from seven,
Heather dops the hour. This is a funny thing that

(01:29:06):
you didn't know happened. You remember when the Amazon Web
services went down and it broke my wordle streak, which
I said I was pleased about, but I am still
dark on like one hundred percent stor because I'm back
to being a slave to word It would appear. The
other thing that happened that I didn't know it happened
was that people who had smart beds had a terrible
night's sleep. Because did you know that you can buy

(01:29:26):
yourself a smart bed? It's not it sounds like it's
not a smart bedbed, like it's a smart mattress cover,
so you put a mattress cover on. That cover is
a smart device and it's able to kind of measure
your sleep and do vibration alarms for you and all
kinds of cool things. But it also regulates your temperature,
so your temperature is completely perfect for you to be

(01:29:47):
able to acquire the optimum sleep of a night, except
for this night where it just started overheating and people
were waking up in the middle of the night, just
drenched and sweat. But the problem was they couldn't stop
it because aws had gone down, could not stop the
thing from overheating. I hope to God, And I don't
really understand what I mean. They were like panicking about it, like,
surely the thing that you do at this point is

(01:30:08):
and it's a fath, but take it off. Just take
it off, remake your bet. I know it's a fath,
but surely that's better than sitting there for like half
an hour stressing out about it before you finally just
give up. You just better off taking it off, putting
it away, going to sleep. Do you know how much
does cost thousands of dollars. Just the pillow case is
nine hundred and ninety nine US dollars. As Paul Spain

(01:30:30):
said when we spoke to him last week, you can
over digitize and I feel like this is an example
of it. Or off to the UK next sixteen away
from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:30:39):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you
the business hour where the header do for Cellen and
maz for insurance investments and Huie safer and you're in
good hands news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:30:51):
He'd be Heather, you could just unplug the blanket. Listen.
You are not stupid. You could do that. Fourteen away
from seven. Elizabeth Callahan UK correspondents with that's Hellabeth.

Speaker 21 (01:31:01):
Hello Heather, how are you?

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
Mike?

Speaker 21 (01:31:03):
Great to be with you again.

Speaker 3 (01:31:04):
I cannot believe the absolute cluster that happened with that
migrant six offen, How did that even happen?

Speaker 8 (01:31:11):
Well, yesterday the Justice Secretary David Lammy was in Parliament
being grilled in the House of Commons by MP's into
how on earth a forty eight year old asylum seeker
who had been convicted of a number of sexual assaults
was accidentally released from prison and left to roam the

(01:31:35):
streets for forty eight hours he went off to London.
But you know this apparently no surprise, was a human error.
According to the Justice Secretary, he has announced an independent
investigation into exactly what went wrong. The prison h MP

(01:31:55):
Chelmsford is in Essex in the southeast of the country
and this was a really high profile case of this
offender who had come over from Ethiopia on a small
boat back in June. In July he committed an offense
against a fourteen year old girl and another woman as well.
It led to huge protests outside the migrant hotel where

(01:32:19):
he had been staying in Epping in Essex, and then
he was sentenced to twelve months last month in September
and jailed and that was where we thought he would
be spending most of his time before being deported. So
he had been due to be transferred to an immigration

(01:32:40):
detention center but instead was released into the community. It's
you know that there have been extra checks are already
being put on.

Speaker 21 (01:32:50):
They're effective immediately.

Speaker 8 (01:32:51):
That's another thing that Justice Secretary has announced, but really
huge questions to be asked. It's a massive embarrassment for
the government as to how this person was at large.

Speaker 21 (01:33:03):
Fortunately was re released very quickly.

Speaker 8 (01:33:06):
Earlier over the weekend, David Lammy, the Justice actually said
that he would be deported today later today, but yesterday
or this week, But yesterday he didn't mention that again,
so I'm not sure what's going on with that, but
I think the quicker that he is deported, the better
it's going to look for the government.

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
Absolutely couldn't agree more. Now, what do you think the
King needs to do about Andrew given that this has
got to Hickling territory.

Speaker 8 (01:33:36):
I couldn't possibly give my own opinion on that, but
it's again a huge embarrassment for the King, for the
whole of the royal family who have Prince Andrew and
his connections to Epstein, the fact that he's been living
in this thirty room mansion for several years, rent free

(01:33:58):
for twenty years with his ex wife. Yesterday, the King
was doing the rounds during a.

Speaker 21 (01:34:05):
Visit to the cathedral, greeting.

Speaker 8 (01:34:07):
Crowds as he often does so so well with members
of the public, when a protester who had got into
the crowd shouted out, how long have you known about
Andrew and Epstein? Have you asked the police to cover
it up? For Andrew, and then he went on to
say should MPs be allowed to debate the royals in

(01:34:28):
the House of Commons, which is something that certainly the
liberal Demotocrats are trying to get to get done. But
the King, ever professional did didn't respond to the questions,
carried on greeting fans as he would. And actually a
lot of the people, the people that come out and
greet the Queen the King generally big royalists, so a

(01:34:51):
lot of them were very annoyed that this man was
upsetting the whole events and was telling him to shut
up and go, oh, go away, leave him alone, leave
the King alone.

Speaker 3 (01:35:03):
So yes, at the.

Speaker 8 (01:35:05):
Moment the situation, Prince Andrew, you know, there's newspaper story
after newspaper story. The latest thing is his living arrangements,
as I said, and it looks like he may move
out of this thirsty bedroom mansion, the Royal Lodge on
the Crown Escape estate in Windsor potentially going to Prince

(01:35:28):
Harry and Meghan's old place, Frogmore Cottage. But then he
also apparently and the Palace is not commenting on any
of his living arrangements. Sarah Ferguson his ex wife, he
wants her to have Adelaide Cottage, which is where the
Prince and Princess of Welles will be moving out of
next month.

Speaker 21 (01:35:47):
So whether he'll get his way, whether.

Speaker 8 (01:35:49):
He deserves anything, frankly, you know. But of course he
denies any wrongdoing in regards to any of the allegations
against him. Certainly that is starting to be an appetite
for a debate in the Commons about about his living
arrangements which effectively come out of taxpayers money and his

(01:36:14):
connection with Epstein.

Speaker 3 (01:36:16):
Yeah, as they should be. Hey, thank you very much,
really appreciate Elizabeth's Elizabeth Callahan, UK correspondent. I have got
some funny messages today about how angry capital gains tax
has bade everybody, well not everybody. Some people love it,
like Sam on my team, but the rest of us
this one hither. I was at the gym when here
in Wellington I heard this ludicrous labor bollocks. Sorry, I

(01:36:39):
can't call it a policy and I have to say
this labor CGT has enraged me so much. I managed
to smash out five hundred calories on the treadmill and
record time, so it's not all bad. Eight away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:36:50):
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Speaker 3 (01:36:58):
Heather, isn't it the business is selling thisbscription that need
to protect their product. For example, Netflix only allows several
devices on one subscription, Robbie, that's a fair point. And
actually the NBR does do something different, something similar, where
like I don't know how many is at five you
can log on, you can log on with five different devices,
and then if you have maxed that out and want
to log in with another device, then you need to

(01:37:19):
log out, like you have to push one off in
order to so they've got some kind of protection there.
And I take your point. It does feel like, jeez,
it's going to be hard for all the news media
to be like to go after every single corporate that's
sharing and all your mates as sharing and score. Surely
the simpler thing to do would be to build that mechanism.
But maybe that mechanism costs a lot of money. Listen

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than normal. What they reckon mend is that you breathe

(01:38:01):
slowly and go outside. And that's not a joke. They say,
ground yourself with slow breaths or a short walk to
calm the nervous system. You can also talk to people
you love, which calms you down. And I'll just give
you another piece of advice. Don't get so drunk. Then
you won't have that problem.

Speaker 11 (01:38:20):
A simple Well, I don't know, you do always feel
a lot better going for and I think to be fair,
breathe slowly and go outside as good advice for all
of us, whether we're hungover or not. A sweet child
of mine by Guns n' Roses to play us out tonight.
So Slash has said he didn't actually like the song
very much. He's done an interview with a guitar magazine

(01:38:41):
and he a Guitar World magazine and he said, yeah,
he came up with the riff first. Sorry, I'll start
the song again. Oh yeah, yeah, So he came up
with that, and he's like, oh, we can put that
in a song. Somewhere, and then the song they came
up with, he said it sounded a bit too much
like a ballad.

Speaker 3 (01:38:53):
He said, I.

Speaker 11 (01:38:54):
Always say this, but to me, we were like a
motorhead type, you know, a hard rock band, So any
kind of ballads, he says, was sort of The word
he used was uncongressed. But yeah, he's come around to
it now, riss And he said it's always a tricky
one for him to play at shows because obviously he
has to kick it off with the riff. So they'll
be playing the show and we'll get to there and
be like, remember slash to play how to play the riff,

(01:39:15):
and he'll be like, I'm a little bit drunk. Oh gosh,
how do I do this one again? And he said
it's the that's the song that often catches him out.
So yeah, so each out up the word uncongress and congress.

Speaker 3 (01:39:24):
That's what he said. That's a direct quote. How do
you spell that? Gone quickly?

Speaker 11 (01:39:28):
U N C O N G R E S A
C D uncongress.

Speaker 3 (01:39:33):
Don't find it on the whole entire internet.

Speaker 11 (01:39:36):
So maybe he made it up. Maybe it'll make it
into against the Roses song.

Speaker 3 (01:39:39):
So who made up that riff, so it's not all
bad things he makes up anyway. Thank you for that answer,
See you tomorrow and you still say b

Speaker 1 (01:39:57):
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