Full Show Podcast: 29 August 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
dupicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand to coverage like
no one else, News Talks, HEV.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Good Afternoon, coming up on Today's show TV, and Zaid's
Boss on TV and s Head paying a surprise dividend
to the government, the port of Toteng's boss on the
fight with the EWE and law Professor Algalespi on why
a judge has given him the patch back to a
mongrel mob member.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
Heather dupicy Ellen, Now, I've got.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
A huge amount of respect for the police and I
very much almost weekly appreciate what it is that they
do for us. But I think we have to call it.
Tom Phillips is embarrassing them. I mean, the fact that
he is still out there with his kids coming up
four years now is embarrassing for the police because it
looks like they're having rings run around the by Skinny
Eye from Matakoppa. He makes a mockery of them every
single time he pops up to nick milk from a

(00:51):
dairy or shop in full view of the public in Bunnings,
or do a job on a bank. Every time someone
in the family pleads for him to come home every
time in internet, national media outlet writes another fascinated piece
about him being out there every winter when our own
media remember that the family are still out there and
draw attention to it again. Every time that happens, we
are reminded that our police cannot find a guy and

(01:13):
his kids in the bush around Mutterkopper. Now, I don't
know what's going on here. I have a suspicion, I've
shared it with you before that the police are deliberately
just leaving him to it, because if they wanted to,
they could get him out. And you know that we're
a country of people who understand the bush. He's not
the only guy in New Zealand with bush skills. The
cops have got specialist teams, and if they don't want

(01:34):
to use those teams because they don't want to have
a shootout, well then we've got the defense force. The
defense force can be used here. They've actually been used
in the search beforehand. And you cannot tell me that
our essays can handle the tullybut but can't track down
a guy in the bush and beyond him before he
knows that they're there. You cannot tell me they can't
do that. I suspect the police have made the decision

(01:56):
to not find him, which, by the way, I actually
think may be the right to decision, given how messy
I think the family court business could in fact be
in this case. But they are not trying to find him,
and I just wonder if maybe they should say that
out loud. Maybe they should just be upfront that he
is out there until the day that Tom Phillips decides
to come back, just so that every single passing winter
doesn't make the police look like they're being beaten by Tom.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
Phillips together due for c Ellens.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Ninetier is the text number we're going to talk about
a little bit more. Got some detail on what has
happened over there in pup, wasn't it at the dairy?

Speaker 4 (02:34):
Now?

Speaker 2 (02:34):
About one in five high school principles have signed that
open letter calling on the government to stop its plans
to scrap NCEEA. Erica Stanford's plan to replace NCEEA is
currently out for consultation, but these principles are warning that
we might be creating a quote lost generation. They argue
the new standards would disadvantage less academic kids, and Erica
Stanford is manufacturing a crisis, they say, just to justify

(02:55):
the changes. Auckland principal Claire Amos signed the open letter
and is with Hello, Claire Cura, what is your concern?

Speaker 5 (03:04):
I think my concern I've I've got a number of concerns.
I've got concerns about what is being proposed, but I've
also got concerns about the process under which consultation is happening. Firstly,
I think NCAA is not perfect. I don't think anyone
in that letter is pretending that there isn't things we
can improve and.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Titan and work on with NCAA.

Speaker 5 (03:26):
I think we worry about what we lose if we
were to move away from NCAA. We've got twenty years
of graduates who have that as their qualification. We've got
at least three more years of graduates who will continue
to have NCAA as their qualification. I don't want it
to be dismissed as a result of this. I also
believe there's real concerns that where we're going, if we

(03:49):
do do what is proposed, it's going to have a
real impact. It's actually says in the documentation they're expecting
a decline in outcomes for Maori students, specific students, disabled students,
and students who are exper experiencing health issues. And I
think we need to make sure that whatever we do

(04:10):
is actually going to look after all of our young
people within the system.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Now, why do you think it's going to have a
great impact on all of the groups that you just named?

Speaker 5 (04:20):
One of the things that points out it actually talks
about this in a recently produced cabinet paper about the proposal.
It recognizes that by narrowing the curriculum and reducing the
flexibility and forcing students to have to do whole subjects
and have to do a combination of internal and external assessments,

(04:43):
that this will potentially reduce the chance of those at
risk students to succeed. We actually know that, but ya,
because NCA currently has a level of flexibility.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
And so I'm making it harder to see this. As
we're making it harder, we are lifting the standard and
some of those kids will simply not be able to
lift up to it. Isn't that the truth?

Speaker 5 (05:06):
I think we need to be really careful about how
we define making it harder. I've got no problem with
diverse definitions of success. I do think we need to
lift out those students you cannot, we need I'm an
English teacher. I think we need to be working on
raising literacy and numscy as you.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
And yet you and your profession are not.

Speaker 5 (05:28):
No, absolutely not. I disagree with Well, how.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Are you guys okay with what is happening at the minute,
which is when we introduce the co requisite? Kids are
failing at these extraordinary rates. Like we are talking and
I can't remember which it is, but in some cases
you've got like thirty percent to sixty percent of kids
in this particular breakdown, this particular thing is subject failing.
How did that happen? How are we okay with that?

Speaker 5 (05:50):
I can actually explain a number of reasons why that happened.
We ended up doing a jump in our testing before
we had actually lift the curriculum and the teaching and
learning program. We need to actually structure and support students
with increase teaching and learning and then they are ready
to be assessed at that level.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
But I know also what you're admitting there is that
you and look I'm not I don't please. It's quite confrontational,
but I don't want you to feel as if I
am like laying being horrible to you. But these kids
were not learning the stuff right, so we need to
teach them the stuff. And I frankly don't care about
anything else. If the kids fail, but at least they
can read and write, is that not the more important

(06:30):
thing than passing them? Like we are right now with
the country.

Speaker 5 (06:32):
What happens when they fail they leave the system? I
don't know if you recall what the results were like
prior to NCAA, Maori and Pacifica are incredibly overrepresented in
the groups that left at the end of fifth form
with no qualification. What's the point the system?

Speaker 2 (06:49):
What's the point in having them in the system if
they come out of year thirteen but they can't read
and write properly.

Speaker 5 (06:55):
I think we absolutely need to be looking looking at
the literacy and numeracy. We've got far greater supporting them
if they remain in the system and wrap around them
and support them. I'm not arguing about lowering at the bar.
I'm saying we raise it, but we ensure that we
give time for the teaching and learning and the curriculum
to be embedded first, very having changed.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
You're asking for when you talk about time, you are
asking for cohorts of students who do not get the
learning right. That's what time means every year that we
pass by Coe.

Speaker 5 (07:26):
But you're in turn, you'd rather have cohorts of students
that actually get closed out of the education system altogether.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Listen, if they get closed out, but they can read
and write, what's more important.

Speaker 5 (07:35):
No, but we'll see what happens is they fail at
year eleven and they leave the system without qualifications. I
would much rather have a system that wraps around them
and keeps them in school and supports them. I am
not arguing for a dumbing down. I'm asking for wrap
around and support, and it's focus on the curriculum and
teaching and learning first. When we've embedded that, absolutely we

(07:58):
start shifting how we assess them. But we need to
do the groundwork first. We need to take care of
these young people and keep them in the education system
as long as possible.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Claire, I really appreciate you being so frank with our
Thank you so much, appreciate it. That's Claire Amos Auckland
High School Principal. Yeah. I went through the list and
guess what this is the list of the eighty nine
and by the way. Like I said on the show
last night, eighty nine, it's a minority, but it's a
sizable minority. It's nothing to be completely written off. It
is about twenty one percent of principles. But of course

(08:30):
my school was there. Of course, of course my school
was there. The principal, not my principal. Later ne've met
the man, but he signed it, and of course he
has because what was the decyle of my school? Dear
style too. So yeah, you just connect those dots there
for me, will you. Four sixteen it's.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
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Speaker 2 (08:56):
Woman arguing against the NCAA changes wants us to lower
the bar to ensure everyone gets a certificate. We don't
need certificates, we need literate and numerus kids ready for
the real world. That's certainly my argument that I was
trying to put forward. She says she's not trying to
lower the bar. In her defense. Four nineteen s Board.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
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Speaker 2 (09:16):
Bet responsibly Jason pine we can sport hosters with us Piney, Hello, Hello, Heather, Okay,
Warriors v Eels tonight. What's the feeling in you waters.

Speaker 6 (09:27):
My waters?

Speaker 7 (09:28):
The feeling of my waters is that I think the
Warriors can win the game, and I think they will
win the game, and it's quite important that they win
the game because the top four is still not secure
for them. We know that if they win tonight and
when next week, they'll be in the top four. That's
mathematically certain. If they were to lose tonight, the Broncos
and the Sharks are only two points behind and lying

(09:49):
in wait, both with a better points differential than the Warriors,
which matters if you end up equal on points. So
that's a very long window way of saying that, my
waters are telling me that the Warriors will win take
a big step towards securing a place in that top four.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
How good? What time is it? Is it a late
one again?

Speaker 7 (10:05):
Eight o'clock, eight o'clock, So that's that's not that's not
too bad. Yeah, you'll be you're still you'll not bury
might not, but you'll be up.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
That's infant, mum mum. Hours. You can still, you can
still finish a game. Indeed, all right, so to mighty
Williams has resigned it, I mean we've got to be
pleased with us.

Speaker 7 (10:20):
Right, big piece of business yere Tomighty Williams to twenty
twenty nine as well. Only Damien McKenzie has contracted that long,
so it's a significant length of contract to Mighty Williams
is the kind of player who up north in the
Northern Hemisphere they absolutely love a big front rower who
can play on both sides of the scrum, big engine,
good in the loose, carries well, fully committed. He could

(10:41):
earn a lot of money up in the Northern Hemisphere.
So for New Zealand Rugby to have signed him up
for the next four years, through the next World Cup
and midway through the cycle after that is a really
good piece of business to Mighty Williams. I don't know
the guy at all, but from what I can see,
he just seems like a guy who loves playing for
two teams, the All Blacks and the Crusaders. He's going
to get the chance to do that for the next
four yees and I think it's a It's a great

(11:01):
contract for him and for New Zealand rug.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Listen, have you seen this and this has been a
debate that's been going on, and you know in our
team about whether actually we're going too soft on Razor
for his record.

Speaker 7 (11:13):
Yeah, I don't think he'd want to lose too many
more games, if you you know, If I'm honest, I think, Look,
there's a lot of overreaction and knee jerk reaction whenever
the All Blacks lose. You only have to host a
radio show the following day to work that out. But look,
I think he needs to come under scrutiny, and that's
that's that comes with a job. We're right to expect

(11:34):
excellence from the All Blacks and we're right to question
them when things don't go well. It sometimes can get
a bit personal. I mean, some of the texts that
you get, I'm sure you know, are some ofar the
ones I get after the All Blacks lose. There's it
gets very personal very quickly. Look, it's a big couple
of weeks coming up, either for the All Blacks, for
Scott Robertson, for a number of players in that team.

(11:55):
You know, I think next Saturday Night is going to
be it could almost be not career defining necessarily, but
certainly could be a very very big swing one while
the other, depending on which way it comes out.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Your good stuff. Hey piney as always appreciated.

Speaker 8 (12:10):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Enjoy the weekend, Jason Pine. We can sport host, Heather.
I missed school certificate twice. Now I've got a business,
have had it for thirty five years. I employ twelve staff.
School doesn't suit everyone. But I can read and write.
Oh well, don't you that in New Zealand is an
accomplishment nowadays, though, isn't it? I can read and write.
I should have got out of the system earlier. Maybe

(12:31):
I would have had twenty stuff. What I noticed you
didn't say, though, is you could do maths. Because that
none of us really still cana for twenty two.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather du for
Cell and Drive with one New Zealand coverage like no
one else.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
Youth talks.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
They'd be Heather Raisers, getting the old justinder treatment from
the media. No scrutiny. Well let me tell you that's
what the German's husband thinks. We've been having this debate.
So yeah, some people feel like, well, because Laura, what
was it? How long did it take? How long did
it take Fozzy to lose five games? Twenty five weeks months,
twenty five games to lose five games, whereas Rais has

(13:09):
done it much faster than that. Yeah, but I think,
look I do, I'm not never mine. We'll deal with
this in the sports huddle I've got. I think it's fine.
I think it's fine to let Razor take his time.
We'll deal with it later. But I have to deal
with this for you. This is going to go down
like a cup of cold six for you. It's full
twenty five. A district court judge has basically given a
Mongrel Mob members patch back to him. So what happened?

(13:32):
He's gone to court and then the cops have taken it.
So what's happened is December twenty nine last year Chap
called Andy Leaf as a patch member of the Mongrel
Mob in the King Country chapter. It's gone for a
walk in to Madnui down hockey Aha Street, which is
the main street. He's wearing his black and red leather vest,
has got a white hoodie on and a black cap

(13:53):
and it's all got the Mongrel Mob gang insignia on it. Anyway,
the cops saw him and arrested him and took his
gang patch away. He was charged as well with knowingly
and without reasonable excuse displaying the gang insignia in public.
It's a breach of the act.

Speaker 6 (14:05):
Right.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
So he's charged and they take the stuff away from him,
not the first time, because he'd been down at the
ATM a few days earlier, and also the BP and
that he'd been spotted in the gear too. Anyway, he
goes to court. He pleads guilty to the charge, but
then he asks the courter can please have his vest back?
He's represented himself in court. He says, he's got no family.
He's been in the gang for twenty five years. The

(14:25):
gang is basically like his family, and the patch is
to him like his family crest, and it means a
lot to him, and he loves it so much he
will never let it he leave his house again. So
Judge Lance Rowe has a think about it for a
couple of months and then comes out and goes, yeah,
you can have your patch back, but basically ordered the
cops to get the patch back because of Tea Kunger.

(14:46):
He says these commentsal submissions. At first Blush would be
recognizable in Teacunger terms as consistent with expressions of Mana
and for knowing a tongue. Mana you know what that
is for knowing a tongue is basically kingship right being
part of a family. So the cops are going to
appeal this. I think possibly they're thinking about I feel
like they should appeal this. What do you think? Anyway,

(15:08):
We're going to talk about this later on. It would
it would appear that government had been warned that this
was possible unless they tightened some things up or did
some remedial things to patches, as in like burned them
so they couldn't be returned. An Al Gillespie's going to
be with us on this after five News is next to.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
The day's newspakers talked to Heather First.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Heather due for Cell and Drive with One New Zealand
and the Power of satellite mobile news talk said, be
worried that your.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
The cops must have well, actually this this text to
be fair is the police must appeal the judge's decision
to give the gang members patch back. Should they could
the judge be reminded of what of the legislation requires
and what the majority of the public expect. That's from Simon,
former police officer. Yeah, I suspect they made but anyway,
listen it seems that what happened was that the police

(16:04):
will at least the government was warned that if they
didn't destroy the patch, that this was always a possibility
that the patch would be handed back, because you know,
you're all these funny things happening in law, like the
inclusion of teakung and common law and stuff like that. Anyway,
as a result of that, we'll talk to Al Gillespie
about it. As I said earlier, now, I don't know
if you remember this, but a couple of days ago
we're talking about TV and Z, and I said to

(16:25):
you that I think the days of TV and Z
paying a dividend are over. Well, I have to eat
my words, because what did we get today from TV
and Z a dividend of three million dollars paid to
the government. This is because they've turned a surprise profit
of twenty five million dollars. Huge surprise, because last year
was an enormous loss of about eighty five million dollars.

(16:46):
What this now basically begs is the question. It does
beg the question, doesn't it When they went cutting, Remember
they cut Sunday and they cut fair Go, and they
cut various other things in order to be able to
get the books back in order. Did they cut too
deep because they went from a huge loss to a
profit paying a dividend within this just like that, So
might they actually have been able to save one of

(17:07):
those shows. We're going to speak to the boss of TVNZ, Jody.
He'll be with us after five o'clock. It's twenty three
away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
It's the world wires on news Talks Edy Drive.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Victorian Police Commissioner Mike Bush has given an update on
the manhunt for the alleged cop killer Desi Freeman.

Speaker 8 (17:22):
We are not.

Speaker 9 (17:23):
Leaving here until this person is in custody.

Speaker 6 (17:26):
In fact, if that person.

Speaker 10 (17:28):
Is listening, it really is time to lay down your
firearms and give yourself up.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Russia has made a major air attack on Ukraine. Twenty
one people in Kiev have been killed. A former Ukrainian
foreign minister was also caught up in it.

Speaker 11 (17:40):
This time it was really really close, too close to actions,
and I've seen the two mistles just dashes through the
through the sky and hitting something very close to my
own blade.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
And finally, a Canadian man has proven that he is
probably the world's best husband in the history of the
entire world. His name is Steve. Steve and his wife
had just got home from dinner at a restaurant when
they realized that his wife had lost her wedding ring somewhere.
So Steve checked the restaurant, then he checked the dash cam,
went home, checked the CCTV, and he managed to work

(18:13):
out that his wife's ring must have slipped off when
she threw a bag of popcorn into the food scraps bin.
The bin had already been emptied, so Steve had to
go to the dump, where he was told his food
scraps was somewhere in amongst sixteen tons of compost. And
with nothing but gloves, a shovel, and a lot of
time and effort, Steve found the popcorn bag and the
ring is now back on his wife's finger. Let's hear

(18:34):
it for.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Steve International correspondence with ends and eye Insurance, Peace of
mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
What do you reckon would happen if we got Steve
to search for Tom Phillips and his family outside of
Marco Bay, Just saying twenty two away from five Charles
Feldman US correspondence with us. Now, hey, Charles, here you
have it. So the investigators are now saying that the
shooter was obsessed with the idea of killing kids.

Speaker 12 (18:59):
Yeah, they found a bunch of writings and things on
social media, and apparently the shooter hated a lot of people.
The officials are saying that he hated Catholics, he hated Jews,
he wanted to come up with a plan to kill
President Trump, and yes, in particular, he apparently was interested

(19:21):
in killing young children, which sadly is exactly what he
ended up doing.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
What was motivating him to high school these.

Speaker 12 (19:29):
Groups, Well, that's the big mystery, isn't it. And they
either don't know or they're not yet saying they are
still pouring through this voluminous amount of social media. Apparently
the shooter was very keen on leaving a trail behind,
including what the intentions were. There was also a letter

(19:52):
that was apparently written, but the officials are not releasing
as yet anyway the contents. So we don't really know,
but somebody probably does.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yeah, and is there a suggestion that because the shooter
went to the school, didn't he so is there a
suggestion that he had a beef with the school?

Speaker 12 (20:09):
Well, that's a possibility, right. First of all, the shooter's
mother worked at the school until.

Speaker 6 (20:14):
A few years ago.

Speaker 12 (20:16):
The shooter him or herself, and by the way, we
should get into that very quickly. There's been this dispute.
Some officials here in the States continue to refer to
the shooter as he, although a few years ago apparently
the child at the time and mother went to a

(20:36):
judge had the name changed from Robert to Robin, and
there is a notation in the files that the person
wanted to be identified as female. Yet officials here in
the States continue to refer to her as him, So
it becomes a little bit confusing. But this whole transgender
issue has become an issue with apparently some hate reference

(21:00):
is in the Minnesota area and officials they're telling people
that they shouldn't cast dispersions on entire communities because of
the actions of one individual.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Okay, yeah, fair enough. Now listen, what's where are we
at with the latest with the troops going into Chicago.

Speaker 12 (21:16):
Well, you know, there apparently has been some outreach from
the White House to a military base that's on the
outskirts of Chicago on whether or not it's available to
be used at some point in the not too distant
future to aid in a bed as they put it,
immigration officials. Well, of course, you know, as you know,

(21:37):
whether this follows on the heels of President Trump sending
the National Guards first to the city of Los Angeles
not too long ago, and then more recently to Washington,
d C. Where they are still mobilized and patrolling the streets.
So you know, Trump has made no secret of the
fact that he wants to have better control. He's says

(22:00):
of crime, although crime has gone down in Chicago, as
it has in Washington and Los Angeles, but he says
he wants to have control overall in a better way.
So it's not clear when this is going to happen,
except that apparently is on his list, along with some
other cities that happen to be run by Democrats.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Infascinating stuff. Very quickly, does Lisa Cook do you think
have a case?

Speaker 12 (22:23):
Well, she legally has a case because as a member
of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve, she
doesn't technically serve at the pleasure of the President of
the United States. But there are some parently, you know,
as is always the case, there are some ifs ands,
there were butts to the you know, the legality of

(22:44):
whether the president can fire a board member. The president
can with cause. The question now is whether or not
there really is any cause. Trump is claiming that there's
some kind of mortgage fraud, which denies there is going
to be a court hearing, by the way, a Friday,
US time to determine whether or not mister Trump has

(23:08):
the we.

Speaker 6 (23:08):
Got right to fire her.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Brilliant Charles, Listen, thanks for filling us and I appreciated.
Charles Feldman, US correspondent eighteen away.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
From five heatherd for Cela.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Okay, so let's get you across what the police have
said about the Marter KRPA dad, Tom Phillips, and his
missing kids. So Tom and one of the kids were
caught on video. You'll have seen it by now. They
were breaking into a dairy and pup you on Wednesday night,
two in the morning. They stole apparently, according to the
dairy owner, only milk. Now, the cops don't know the
significance of this breaking.

Speaker 13 (23:39):
And we're looking at doesn't mean he's potentially head of
falling out with who's helping him.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
But what they are kind of drawing our attention to
is the fact that Tom Phillips looks pretty relaxed just
going about sneaking around at night.

Speaker 13 (23:53):
Well, he certainly appears very comfortable to just come with
that way to pup you and commit a burglary. He
was there, they probably thirteen fourteen minutes, did a bit
of a reconnaissance around the area before the committing the burglary.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Now, apropos what I said at the very start of
the show, which is that I do not believe that
the police are actually trying to find him. They have
basically confirmed that they are not actively searching for the family.

Speaker 13 (24:16):
Every time we get new information or something like this happens,
we re evaluate and go, well what does this mean
for the investigation. But in terms of searching specific areas,
we do have concerns around the risk TOM posers, so
we're very careful in terms of searching. So we're still
just seeking the public's help with information to come in.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
And they're very happy to let time take it, just
take its time. Basically, they're just happy to wait.

Speaker 13 (24:43):
Everyone would like this to be over yesterday. But I
go back to the focus is getting the children out safely.
We're not going to put anyone in harm's way just
to try and end something quickly.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
And as to whether they're worried that he pos is
a risk to his kids.

Speaker 6 (25:02):
That's a concern about certainly.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah, so we'll have a chat to Algillespie about that.
As I said, in about half an hour's time, it's
quarter to right now.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
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Speaker 2 (25:11):
Certainty Barry So, Senior Political Correspondence with US. Hello, Barry,
Good afternoon, Heather. See how see how successful Chris Luxon's been?

Speaker 3 (25:18):
Now?

Speaker 14 (25:18):
Well, absolutely, I said it right from the start. You
remember from you thought it was a bit cring. It's
still it's still got the marked. Didn't it got home
to Travis? I said, don't cringe at it, because you
know it's good that he comes out. Prime ministers have
done this before. I mean, John Keene's a bit of
an entertainer. Here'll do this, and of course Stephen Colbert

(25:42):
with Justin durn I mean programs on New Zealand.

Speaker 6 (25:45):
That's a good thing.

Speaker 14 (25:46):
And who who knows Taylor and Travis may come.

Speaker 6 (25:51):
To you never know whither.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
I'm not going to come. It's just good for the publicity.
Stop being all right, okay, delude had gone? Then what happened?
So what happened? What well, but what happened is that
what he said, I will I will explain what's happened here.
The latest is that Luxon has said one of his
best friends in America is actually in business with Travis,
as in Travis Kelsey. But we're on a first name
basis now. And he actually got a reply back from Travis,

(26:16):
and he loved the offer, and he asked jokingly whether
he could get a passport.

Speaker 6 (26:20):
Yeah, and that was a joke, of course.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
And we will, of course give him a passport.

Speaker 6 (26:23):
Yeah, well, of course not anyway.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Anyway, So Tom Phillips.

Speaker 6 (26:26):
Trivial, absolutely trivial.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Tom Phillips.

Speaker 14 (26:29):
Oh, Tom Phillips. Well, it's an interesting one, this isn't it.
I was reading what a military lawyer, Matthew Haig, who
served with the NZDF and the police. He is quoted
as saying the Prime Minister or other senior ministers, they
certainly have the authority they wanted to send the military in.

(26:49):
And the essas did have experience in bushcraft as good,
I would imagine, not much better than Tom Phillips, and
they could probably flesh him out in very little time.
But the biggest concern is that Tom Phillips is seen
to be armed and worried about the children. What may

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happen if an ambush is launched against this man and
the bush, what will happen to those kids? And that's
what they're.

Speaker 6 (27:18):
More worried about it.

Speaker 14 (27:20):
But it does seem rather a strange to stand up,
I've got to say, because this guy is going around
and you know, robbing dairies and whatever. But I'll tell
you what the Prime Minister he wasn't about to be
drawn into the issue when he was asked about it
in christ Church today.

Speaker 15 (27:35):
Those are issues for police to work through and I'll
leave them for them. It's an operational issue for them,
and you know that's up for them. I'm not as
Prime Minister of New Zealand. It's important that the police
are responsible for operationally, for making engagements in that way
and will let him wear their way through.

Speaker 14 (27:49):
And that's always the answer, is that from the politicians.
But look you mentioned earlier Andrew Costa when he was
the Commissioner, he said that the military had been involved
at some stage last year. So they've been out there,
but I still haven't tracked this man down.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
What some defital day mean to Chris Luxen.

Speaker 6 (28:10):
Well, it's interesting, isn't it.

Speaker 14 (28:11):
He was down in christ Church at the Cancer Society
and the deffidial day is to raise awareness full cancer
and to that end, he was at the Cancer Society
and explained his link to the disease.

Speaker 15 (28:25):
My father actually volunteers here as a driver and crash
each here. And I have an auntie right now that's
going through her own battle, So my thoughts are very
much with her to down I'm hoping to catch up
with her privately later on the day as well. But look,
I mean, yeah, one in three New Zealanders impacted by cancer.
And so as a government, you know, in the eighteen
months we've been in power, you know we've put a
big investment obviously into cancer drugs to try and close

(28:45):
the cancer gap with Australia. Secondly, we've done we've got
the self tests out for cervical cancer. We've expanded breast
cancer screening from seventy to seventy four, we've lowered beow
cancer from sixty to fifty eight. There's obviously more work
to do there. It's about ex colin oscarpies.

Speaker 14 (29:01):
Yeah, there will be few New Zealanders I would imagine,
including myself that haven't had cancer in the family somewhere,
So it's a major issue in New Zealand, and it's good.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Did you buy any deafidils?

Speaker 6 (29:13):
You did hear that?

Speaker 2 (29:14):
Yeah? Did you buy any dafidils?

Speaker 6 (29:16):
You did hear that?

Speaker 2 (29:17):
With my money? With my money? Did you buy any daffodils? All? Mate,
sit at the girl we've all had cancer in the family,
but doesn't want to sholl out for a daffodil.

Speaker 14 (29:25):
I would if I was near a flower shop.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Did you find yourself a daffidil on the way home?

Speaker 15 (29:29):
Then?

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Hate? What about the legal fees, the legal fees that
are doing in them racked up? I mean, look, I
know nobody's going to be happy about it, but this
is this is fair as well.

Speaker 6 (29:39):
It's fear to an extent.

Speaker 14 (29:41):
But why did they have to take legal advice not
to appear before the inquiry? I mean, couldn't have they
had just said we're not going to do it.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
I mean that's a fair They are.

Speaker 14 (29:48):
The lawyer and they pay out of taxpayers the taxpayers person.
But you know, if you look through the way this
thing is the person is used by former ministers and
what have you leave expenses for Crown and External Counsel
to provide support to that inquiry so far amounts to

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three hundred and fifty nine thousand dollars. So lawyers are
making a lot of money out of this particular inquiry.
And we mustn't forget our diplomat currently in Ireland, Trevor Mallard.
I mean you remember he trespassed Winston Peters from Parliament
Winston talk action as he's wont to do. That cost

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fifty five thousand dollars to the taxpayer, and then came
the three hundred and thirty thousand dollars that was spent
on legal fees by Mallard for falsely accusing a parliamentary
staff member of rape.

Speaker 6 (30:47):
And I was very much involved in that story.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Thanks Barry. We're at the political week. That was you later,
that's very so pre senior political correspondence seven away from five.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
Putting the tough questions to the newspakers.

Speaker 9 (30:58):
Some Mike Asking in New Zealand who came to the
company results party yesterday with one hundred and twenty six
million net profit which is down thirteen point seven percent.
There is a five percent increase in the affairs coming
as well. Greg Furan is, of course the chief executive,
and a great question around the economy. Do you see
the pick up?

Speaker 16 (31:13):
It will happen, I would say to you, just at
the moment, it's still pretty hard going. Government passenger numbers
are down ten percent, corporate numbers are down five percent
on same time last year.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
But that will change.

Speaker 16 (31:24):
I'd hope that by now it would be picking up,
as I'm sure everyone did, but it isn't.

Speaker 9 (31:28):
But it isn't just yet, and you've written off the
rest of the year. Heaven, you cannot completely, but you're not, bully.

Speaker 16 (31:32):
It's going to be, Yeah, certainly for us through till Christmas.

Speaker 9 (31:35):
Back Monday from six am, the Mic Asking Breakfast with
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Speaker 2 (31:42):
Heather, you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. So
offer this chap in amnesty, accommodation and schooling along with
sorting out the family court stuff. It's cheaper than any
other option. I've no doubt he would never hurt his children.
He's protecting them. Do you know what, don I totally
agree with Don. I would offer him the total amnesty
and then just let them come out, you know, so
that the whole thing is over. But and also this,

(32:03):
but this is the trouble is obviously he wants to
retain custody of the kids, doesn't want to give custody
to the X. I don't even know if the X
would ever get custody. Who knows. But you think you
don't want to be sending the kids into two state care.
But can you really leave the kids with somebody who's
done a bank robbery with them? So it feels I
don't know, it feels very very complicated, doesn't it. By
the way, I don't know if you realize it. But
you know, I was talking about Mike Bush before in

(32:24):
the World Wires. He's the chap over in Victoria who's
sorting out you know, old mate, a very similar case,
Dessy Dezzi Freeman, who's gone Bush in Victoria. That's our
Mike Bush. That's Mike Bush, our police commissioner, Mike Bush.
He's as handsome as ever, But what do you remember
when he stopped being our police commissioner. He started going
very private detective and is looked and he got those

(32:46):
dark glasses and he slicked his groy's hair out, slicked
it back, wore a sharp suit. He's now he's gone.
He's ditched the private detective look and he's gone straight
back to the old, you know, straight up and down
l a cop look, and it was working. Here's got
side cut, his hair short, side part, clean shaven, glasses
are gone, contact lenses back in and he looks like
he could run any police force in the whole wide world.

(33:06):
Our Mike Bush proud of him, aren't we? Anyway? Jody
O'Donnell TVNZ's boss with us next on paying that surprise dividend.
News TOOKSTV.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
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get the answers, find and give the analysis. Here the
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Speaker 2 (33:40):
B Afternoon TV and Z has announced a surprise dividend
to be paid to the government of three million dollars.
The broadcaster has delivered a twenty five million dollar after
tax profit, which is a huge turnaround after last years
eighty five million dollar loss. Jody O'Donnell is the CEO
of TV and said, hey, Jody, hi, he how are
you m well?

Speaker 14 (33:58):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (33:59):
How wrong was I so? Just a couple of days
ago I was saying, that's the end of the dividends
from TV and Z and here you go, how'd.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
You do it?

Speaker 17 (34:05):
Well, Look, I think that it's like many businesses last year,
we all had to make really hard decisions. But wasn't
just around us actually resetting our cost base. We actually
really ruthlessly focused around revenue initiatives as well, so we
were able to do it at the same time, and
our revenue was stronger than we had predicted.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
Do you think it's the last one though? For the
last dividends? Yeah, for a while.

Speaker 17 (34:27):
Look, it's our obligation to pay a dividend. We've actually
paid eight dividends over the last ten years, so it's
a process that we go through every year and time.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
If you're going to have a couple of losses at least, right,
you're not going to be paying a dividend, are you.

Speaker 17 (34:40):
Well, Again, it's a process that would have to go
through every year. So I'm not going to say upfront
whether it's in or it's out, would you pay one
in a loss? Again, it would have to be a
conversation that we have with our board at the time.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Okay, so it's a possibility given that you did turn
around a profit here? Did you cut too hard? When
you cut?

Speaker 17 (34:58):
I knew you'd ask me that question. Look like I said,
we had to make the decisions that we had in
front of us at the time. And so what was
really important is that we set the cost base of
the business into a stable position that we could see
at least for the next three or four years. And
that was really important for us as we started our
investment program. So over the next two years, in particular,
we're self funding an investment program, and that's really important

(35:20):
for us to ensure that we can transform TV and said,
the first thing that all of our viewers will see
will be a brand new tv Z plus platform next
year that obviously allows us to have enhanced user experiences,
but also allows us to unlock the pay capability, which
you would have hurt. Us announced earlier this week with
in conjunction with a fee for World Cup rights. When
is the FIFA World Cup again?

Speaker 2 (35:40):
It's middle of June next year. Okay, So does that
is that the start of you guys charging us for things?
I mean, it's obviously the first case of it, But
how soon after that does that become the regular thing?

Speaker 17 (35:49):
Well, look, it's the first thing that we've identified that's
really important, and we know we'll be big for audiences.
So as a free do we broadcaster, there's always rights
that have been outside of our reach. So for us
to unlock that pay capability, we want to test and
learn how do the super fans want to watch all
one hundred and four matches and then how do we
balance that as well with the free to wear audience exposure.

(36:10):
So we've said the all whites will all be free
on TVNZ one, so it'll be a huge learning opportunity
for us.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Do you think are you guys looking at just charging
punters for the big events or do you think you're
going to charge us for the regular stuff that we
like to watch, like Bluey.

Speaker 17 (36:26):
Fifty million streams of Bluey in the Last World? How
many of them were your household?

Speaker 2 (36:31):
I keep telling you put Bluey behind the pay will
you make a mint?

Speaker 17 (36:34):
Look, we are thinking about it in event space at
the moment. So what we want to be able to
do is you know, TVNZ is free at its core
and that will continue. We're an ad funded business and
we will be free. But certainly once we test this
event pass with feetha World Cup. Well look for other
opportunities as well. It's really around what the audience audiences want.
But also with that pay capability, it means we can

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compete for rights that we haven't been able.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
To do in that house. I'll spoke to you about
the netball.

Speaker 17 (37:00):
Yeah, really happy, just really happy to make it accessible
for all New Zealanders.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
And I think I mean, are you actually paying anything
or are you just the lucky recipient of the netball.

Speaker 17 (37:09):
That's obviously commercial sensitivity, so I won't be able to
answer that, but certainly we've had the netball for the
last two years. We've had a three game a week,
and so we can see the audience growth there and
how much the audiences love it, and it's really important
for us that we can obviously showcase that.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Well, it's got to be a point at which, as
you get more we're coming to watch the fever, then
we're coming to watch the netball, then we're coming to
watch the MPC, and we're watching all the stuff. At
some point you will have a critical mass where you
can start checking a lot more stuff behind the payball, right,
because we'll get used to the platform.

Speaker 17 (37:38):
Yeah, again, we are at our heart free to weare
and so that's a really important part of our DNA.
But with this capability, it means that we can compete.
You need to make money, Jo, We don't need to
make money, No, absolutely we do and we will always
make the decisions based on that basis.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Speaking of which, how much is are in Z paying
you to be in the building.

Speaker 17 (37:56):
Again, that's a commercial negotiation, but we're looking forward to
them when they do move on.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Thank you, Jody, It's worth try, Jody o'donald TV and z' CEO.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
Twelve past five, Heather Duplessy LA.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
In the case of the missing matter corper Man Tom
Phillips and his kids, police have basically confirmed that they
are not actively searching for them.

Speaker 13 (38:16):
Everyone would like this to be over yesterday, but I
go back to the focus is getting the children out safely.
We're not going to put anyone in harm's way just
to try and end something quickly.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Police have held a press conference today after news that
Tom and possibly one of his kids broke into a
PUPW dairy on Wednesday to Steel Milk. Military lawyer Matthew
hagu Is served in both the Defense Force and the
police and is with us. Hello, Matthew, what are you
reckons going on here? Have the police basically backed off?

Speaker 18 (38:48):
I think they have, and I think that's wise. I
think the police need to balance bringing this matter to
a conclusion with the risk that mister Phillips or perhaps
even worse, one of the kids could be involved with weapons.
And there's risk to everyone. Please, the chickids and mister Phillips.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
So what are we doing? Are we just basically waiting
for them to eventually one day come out of the bush?

Speaker 18 (39:10):
I think that would be the best outcome. It would
hopefully happen sooner rather than ny SA. But I've got
no doubt that police will be not just monitoring the
situation passively. They'll be very actively thinking, perhaps observing, taking
steps to locate mister Phillip and the kids. They'll be
working with a community, they will have a range of
different resources available to them. What they're trying to avoid

(39:33):
is a direct confrontation in a way that could result
in the ready that outcome.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Possible, though, Matthew, that this could go on for years.
I mean, I can't remember how young the youngest one is,
but it'll be years before that child is not subject
to any family court orders if that is what the motivator.

Speaker 18 (39:48):
Yes, and in fact it has been years, hasn't it.
So I think that's why I say that the police
will need to balance avoiding escalating the situation and bringing
it to a close because this can't go on forever.
But police, I think are wisely not jumping into it
too quickly.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
I mean, look, it would it not be possible to
watch these guys, find out where they are, watch them,
and then if we want to avoid a gunfight, which
we definitely do, nab them next time they go into
Pew Pew to get some milk.

Speaker 18 (40:17):
Yeah, that would be a good outcome as well. And
I suspect that's one option that police will be not
just looking at, but potentially looking to effect. But you know,
this is an unpredictable situation, and from what I've seen
in the media, the allegations are that he has weapons
with him, perhaps all the time. So it's really difficult,
I think, to find a time that would be safe

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for everyone is.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Tell me, Please tell me if I'm naive, But is
it not possible that we have the capability within the
police or the defense force to actually track these guys
to where they are and be on them before they
realize it.

Speaker 18 (40:51):
I think there is that capability, and I think perhaps
we'll get to the point where that's exactly what they
will do. But with that option, there's a huge amount
of risk, is keV. As they are as professional as
the police and the Defense Force are, there's the risk
they could pick up a gun and open fire. We've
seen that overseas, we've seen that in New Zealand on occasion.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
No one wants that.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Matthew, it's wonderful to talk to you. Thank you so much,
thanks for expertise. Matthew Haig, a military lawyer who's been
both in the Defense Force and the police. I'll tell
you what I've got to tell you what I'm excited about,
and I'm very excited about it, but we'll talk about
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Speaker 3 (42:13):
Together do for see Ellenhither.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
You're a fool If you think he's still bush, someone
is hiding him and the kids in a house or
a shed. If that is the case, then why aren't
they giving a milk? Nineteen past five, Now here's a
story for you. A member of the Mongrel mob has
asked a judge in court for his confiscated gang patch
back and the judge has said yes because of Teakunger.
So the gang member argued that he sees the mob

(42:36):
as his family and that the patches like a family crest,
and the judge agreed with him. Alexander Gillespie is a
law professor at the University of Wykathwin with us heyl
Hey header. Has the judge interpreted the law correctly?

Speaker 19 (42:50):
I think he's interpreted it fairly. The problem is is
that it's an ambiguity in the law and it doesn't
say that the patch must be destroyed. If you want
to go back to this, take it back to Parliament,
get the law straight, move forward.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
How does te kunger apply? How does tea kunger override
the gang patch confiscation?

Speaker 19 (43:08):
I think it's part of a wider discussion in that
this law has some very good aspects to it in
terms of making people feel a lot safer, but there
are human rights aspects to it as well, in terms
of freedom of speech, freedom of identity, a collective way
of seeing yourself. I think tea kung is just one
word that's been applied to this which the media has
got hold of. To me, it's a difficult issue, but

(43:31):
if Parliament feels that there's a need to move forward,
they should. They should just take it back and make
me no ambiguity. There was an ambiguity in this. If
you want to make sure that the patches are removed,
just get Parliament to say take them out and that
they cannot be returned.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Okay, So is it not necessarily actually a tea kunger thing,
but really a bill of rights thing.

Speaker 19 (43:51):
It's a poorly written law thing because it's it's not
really either a bill of rights thing or a teacung
the thing. It's like if parliament monsters, I mean, you
can do that. You can say don't have patches in public,
which is a fear of laws. Other countries do it
as well. But if it comes to the removal and
destruction of the patch, then that's where you should say

(44:13):
it must happen or it shall happen.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Right, And weren't they they were warned that they need
to write into law that they must destroy the patch
otherwise the patch could be given back.

Speaker 19 (44:22):
Yeah, yeah, that's right, you know. So to me it's something,
you know, if this is an issue, and I don't
think there's a risk here that there's going to suddenly
be a lot of patches returned around the country because
it's a very specific case. But if there is a
concern as with all issues where there is ambiguity, you
don't want the judges making law, but you want Parliament
to make law. Take it back, rewrite it, make sure

(44:44):
that ambiguity is gone, move forward.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Good stuff. Well as always, I really love talking to you.
Thank you. El Gillespie, Professor of Law at the University
of Wycato. Okay, this is what I'm excited about. Look,
brace yourself, lower your expectations immediately. This is what I
am excited about. Next Tuesday, the the ACT Party is
going to be announcing the ACT Party's position on the
Paris Agreement and New Zealand's approach to climate policy. And

(45:07):
I am already here for this. I am already fizzing
for this. I already know it's going to consume all
of my Tuesday and definitely my Thursday night when I
write a column about it. For sure. You please, dear God,
let the ACT Party promise to pull us out of
the Climate Agreement, because they have to, right, because they
are the party who seems to at least see things rationally,
not get caught up in the vibes and the emos.

(45:28):
It's lovely. I also am worried about the climate. It's
lovely to think that we can all join the Paris
Agreement and then pledge, we pledge that we will all
bring down our emissions. But we're not. We're not doing that,
and no one else is, and we're all headed to
still burn the planet. So in which case, stop wasting
your time, stop wasting your money, pull out of the
stupid thing, and find another way to make it because

(45:49):
it's not working right, So why would you keep on
wasting your time with something that's not working anyway? This
is me just getting right in there right now and
hoping that on Friday I can still influence what I
can't still influence. That's what the act Party is going
to do on Tuesday. They've already sowed it up. But
this is what I'm hoping for. We will definitely be
talking about it on the show Absolutely five twenty two.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
The name you trust to get the answers you need,
it's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand coverage.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
Like no one else news talks, there'd be Heather.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
I'm with you on the Paris announcement. That's right, see
what happens on Tuesday five twenty five. Now I've come
around to the idea of a bed levy in Auckland.
This is the thing that the Mayor of Auckland and
various others have been calling for but which the PM
has said no to. A bed levy in Auckland is
actually not that outrageous an idea, because we were already
doing something similar to this before COVID. It was a
targeted rate that hotels paid. But then, of course we

(46:41):
se Auckland. When I say well, I mean Auckland stopped
it during COVID because there was no one in the
hotels and it was unfair to make them pay if
they didn't have guests. And it was never started up
again after COVID, and a bed levy would just quite
nicely replace that basically, and we need it right, Auckland
needs it. Look at what has happened because we don't
have the money that was generated by that rate to
bring events here. Auckland has almost nothing on the calendar.

(47:02):
The city's economy has slumped. One in eight retail shops
are empty. The unemployment in Auckland is higher than the
national unemployment rate, and it was pointed out this week
that Melbourne has more music festivals and stadium concerts happening
in one week in December than Auckland has for the
whole year of twenty twenty five. Now this is not
just an Auckland problem. I mean this is a whole
country problem because when a big artist or a big

(47:23):
event comes here, it often comes to Auckland. But this
year no Lady Gaga, no Oasis, previously, no Taytay. Auckland
Council yesterday decided to set some money aside to start
going hard on attracting events. Again. It's an underwriting basically,
which means that if Auckland does get the events and
then the money actually does get paid, rate payers then
have to pay for it. So rate payers will pay

(47:45):
for this. Now that's fine if that's what it takes.
But I would prefer that it wasn't Auckland rate payers
stumping up to bring big events here for the country.
I would prefer that it was tourists staying in our
hotels often for those events who were stumping up. So
the government needs to get on board and let the
bed levy happen. Ever, do for sel Now you want
to hear what's going on with Auckland FC. So Auckland

(48:06):
FC are busy playing in this Australasia Cup thing that
they're doing, and they've got a semi final that they're
supposed to play against some Victorian squad called what is
it Heidelberg United. But the problem is the problem is
the organizers have had to bring the semi final forward
by two weeks and which is a total kerfuffle for everybody.

(48:28):
This game that was supposed to happen is now going
to have to happen two weeks early because Heidelberg United
have got an end of season boys trip to Las
Vegas booked in and they're not prepared to change that.
So the whole Auckland f C Club, they might have
had holidays booked, they might have had things that they
were doing, they might have had No everybody has to

(48:48):
down tools and reschedule everything for the end of season
boys trip to Las Vegas. Isn't that mental? Mental? But
it did happen. We're going to talk to the sports
tittle about that, shorty, But first Themes Games and Toadunger
News Talk's head.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
Beat on your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and
in your car on your drive home, it's Heather Duplicy
Ellen Drive with one New Zealand and the power of
satellite mobile news talks head bes.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
DA Suity jursue by.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
Remember that thing we were talking We were talking about for
a couple of days with Toadunger and the Ewie, the
fight over the extinction. We've got the boss of support
of Towadunger with us upter six o'clock as they've reported today. Okay,
here we go. I've got a text from Wayne. Wayne,
I'm going to need a follow up response from you
on this one. I've got a supplementary question for you.
This is Wayne's text, Heather. I'm a dairy farmer. The
last thing I want is for New Zealand to pull
out of the Paris Accord. The collateral destruction of trade

(49:51):
would be disastrous. The problem is how the morons have
interpreted it. They pay more attention to a key clause
being that implementation should not affect the production of food.
That is the problem. Please reconsider your position on this. Okay,
s Wayne, this is my question to you. What destruction
of what trade are you talking about? Because as far
as I know, and tell me if I'm wrong, but

(50:12):
as far as I know, the only two FTAs that
would be affected by what we do with the climate
is the UK FTA and the EUFTA. The UK one's
pretty generous. The EU one is rubbish. Don't even worry
about that. So let's just talk about the UK one.
Are they tell me if it's the UK one for

(50:32):
the first start? Is that what you're talking about? Are
they going to kick at us because of it? And
then how much of our milk is going there? And
do we care about it when most of our milk
is going to China? Who don't care about Paris? Follow
up texts police, thank you and then we'll deal with that.
Twenty three away from.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
Six ever, do for c Allen.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Now more than twenty five thousand visitors from around Australasia
are descending on totaling of this weekend for the Ames Games,
fourteen thousand intermediate age kids from around the continent will
be complete, competing in twenty seven different sports. Kelly Shishka
is the director of the Zespri Ames Games and with
us Hello, Kelly, Hawai you tonight, I'm very well, thank you?

(51:09):
Kicks off tomorrow a way, So is it already mental?

Speaker 20 (51:13):
It is organized chaos, I think is the best way
to describe it. The calm before the storm.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
What kind of events are we talking about here?

Speaker 20 (51:22):
Yeah, so all sporting events are so twenty seven sporting
codes at the zespri Ams Games this year, so everything
from you know, traditional sports that you'd expect like netball
and basketball through to orienteering and surfing and almost everything
in between.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
Fantastic And from how far afield are people coming this year?

Speaker 20 (51:42):
We have four hundred and thirty one schools represented at
the zespri Ames Games, so from all across New Zealand's
and we have some schools that we're welcoming from the
Cook Islands m Fiji this year as well, which is
very exciting.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Do we not have the Australians competing?

Speaker 20 (51:57):
No Australians this year? So hopefully the New Zealands can
New Zealanders can take out most of the golds.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Well yeah, why not? Why did the Australians not come
over this year?

Speaker 20 (52:07):
We haven't had Australia come over in a number of years.
So yeah, it's primarily New Zealand schools without Pacific Island
friends as well.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
What happened, Kelly? Why aren't Australia competing anymore? I'm desperate
to know now. Oh I'm not sure it was before
my time because they don't have their butts whip. I
don't enjoy that.

Speaker 20 (52:26):
Yeah, look that sounds about right to me. Let's go
with that.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Yeah, I like that story. How much is totong I
loving it?

Speaker 20 (52:33):
Toto It loves it? Toto It is an incredible host city.
We're so lucky to have the community behind us. There's
so much buy in with this experience games. They love
showing off the city and being great hosts. They really
do roll out the red carpet for our visitors. So yeah,
we're very excited to be welcoming everyone tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Brilliant stuff. Kelly Beast of luck with it, Keli Shishka,
the Ames Games tournament director. It's twenty one away from.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
Six Friday Sports Total with New Zealand Suburby's International Realty
find You're one of a kind.

Speaker 18 (53:11):
A minimum of twenty eight days for any concussion is
required before they actually go back to training and doing
everything else.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
They're going to treat a brain like a broken arm,
then why don't we.

Speaker 18 (53:21):
Just take the cast off at ten days because we
all know we're going to rebreak it.

Speaker 10 (53:25):
The lucky loser kind of getting two advantages both in
terms of the second a second crack and also home
advantage in the semi if you're ranked high enough.

Speaker 6 (53:36):
So we mind that out full time.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
One is thirty two.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
That Titans eighteen Sports title of US. This evening we
have Elliott Smith, News Talk zb's Rugby editor rather and
Nick Bewley Newstalk ZB Canterbury Sports Treat Highlands Evening.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
Did I hit it?

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Elliott? Is Rugby doing enough to prevent the CTE from
the head knocks?

Speaker 4 (54:00):
You can probably always do a little bit more, I think,
But let's not forget that this game isn't the one
that was played five years ago, played ten years ago,
played fifteen years ago, played forty years ago, That it
is constantly evolving, and obviously that the Shane Christie News
this week was absolutely horrific, and he's obviously getting his

(54:21):
brain donated to science to check this for CTA, which
he believed he had. But the game is constantly evolving
and trying to find ways that it can be safer
while also retaining what draws people to both play it
and watch it and get people through the gates watching
on TV. So look, you probably always do a little

(54:41):
bit more, But it's like smoking. You know, people still
want to smoke cigarettes, and where is that line of
just allow people to do it versus you know, like
I like it.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
I like it because you're going to go the personal
responsibility one and I like it. But it's a little
bit more like if you go to a factory or
if you're working in a factory and people are smoking
cigarettes around you, right, your boss has to tell you.
In this instance, hey, if you're going to hang around
and all of the smoke like you might you might die.
That's that is where the rugby that's where the rugby
boss is fit in that equation.

Speaker 4 (55:14):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, And there has been talked when the
past of players potentially signing waivers. I don't know that
you want to go that far. And New Zealand we're
lucky to have acc that can provide that sort of treatment,
which is not the case in the northern hemisterhere, and
that's where all the law cases are coming from because
they don't have that sort of protection up there. So
I think rugby can always do more, but there is

(55:36):
a very very fine line and what do you do
do you do you mandate it that basically you can't
you can't play concussion for for two months, we'll players'
report it.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Do you think so?

Speaker 4 (55:49):
Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (55:50):
We see early as we're watching the telly, we'll see
them go down with a massive head knock.

Speaker 4 (55:54):
Yeah, but then after the game, you know this, the
smart mouthguards help. But if you're coming back as you
maybe took a knock in the game that didn't trigger
a smart mask, gad, if you have to stand down
when you report for a month, six weeks, whatever it
might be, are you actually going to do that if
you're a player?

Speaker 2 (56:11):
What do you think? Nick?

Speaker 21 (56:14):
Oh, it's complicated issue, isn't it. I think just on
that minimum standdown period, you know, it is worth noting
it's obviously improved up to twelve days, but it is
a little bit murky. I think, as Doug King pointed
out in that cut, that are you know why is
a professional athletes brain different to that of an amateur
sports person's brain. In terms of the community guidelines are
twenty one day minimum standdown, professionals being twelve other sports

(56:38):
it changes again And as sort of Elliot was alluding
to that, I don't probably subscribe to the theory that
the underreporting is going to be happening because we know
of how much the technology has advanced over the last
couple of years with with the smart mouth guards probably
the one. The only point I would stress too is
around that minimum standown period. It seems a little bit

(56:59):
harsh view to imply that there's been pressure from rugby
teams or high performance sport environments to go back at
eleven days just because it will be to the benefit
of that sports team. Like I know our current example
down here in Canterbury where a professional player has been
scrubbed out for the last couple of weeks despite passing
HIA test, just because they feel like it is worth

(57:21):
airring on the side of caution. So it's a real
complex issue and it is really unfortunate too here that
at this point in time we're CTE. We can't diagnose
it until that player has passed, and until then I
feel like we're making a lot of judgments as to
whether we think we can do more. As Elliott said,
you know, how long is a piece of string win
terms of what more we can do, it's pretty subjective.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Nick, how much would you pay to watch all of
the football the FIFA Football World Cup on TVNZ plus.

Speaker 21 (57:48):
That's probably a question for Jason Pine, I'm not the
greatest football officionado.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
The answer to you is nothing, no, and that's exactly right.

Speaker 21 (57:57):
And look, I'll be covering and I hope I'm still
in a job by that point with ZB But look,
I'll watch the All Whites. I'll kind of keep a
bit of an interest. However, I think the passionate football
fans who want to see every single game, and my
brother in law, for example, absolutely loves following Manchester City
in the Premier League. I think he'd pay about fifty
bucks for it.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
Oh yeah, okay, there's something going on, Nick that you're
not going to be employed by us mid next year.

Speaker 22 (58:21):
No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 21 (58:22):
I just I always want to put that caveat out
there just in case.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
I'm also, do you also cross the room and touch
something that's wooden?

Speaker 6 (58:29):
Always? Yeah?

Speaker 21 (58:30):
Okay, you know we're in the media industry. After it,
I was going to say it's.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Tough in the media, Elliott, I'm going to come back
to you and just to tack on that, Nick Clearley,
elliotts Sports title this evening Quarters two.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
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Speaker 2 (58:46):
You're back with the sports huddle, Elliott, how much would
you pay?

Speaker 23 (58:50):
Well?

Speaker 4 (58:50):
I think TV and Z has got me over a
barrel a little bit because I love football. I'm willing
to watch every game. I want to watch every game
of the FIFA World Cup when it's been on Sky.
I've watched plenty throughout, so there's probably a line somewhere,
but you know, I'm going to pay it probably regardless
of what they put up. The games are going to
be at a good time, so I think the earliest to

(59:11):
be about five six am New Zealand time, right through
the morning into the afternoon. So look, it probably macks
out at about one hundred and twenty dollars, but I'm
probably going to pay whatever they ask. But I'm not
sure how it's a sustainable business model, is the other thing.
And mean, they're going to get the sugar hit from
all the FIFA fans coming in for the month long
pass or whatever it is, but then it's going to

(59:33):
dry up again. So I don't know how that's a
sustainable business model for TV in Isn't.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
It Isn't it isn't The idea just to basically get
us used like. It's like a soft launch, isn't it
of their paser.

Speaker 4 (59:42):
They happened with Spark Sport. They did the tournament pass
of the twenty nineteen World carp and then everyone jumped
off again. So they need compelling content to keep coming,
you know, every every month. That's what sustains you know,
the Sky Sport and Netflix. Disney plusses he keep coming
back every month, he keep playing paying that subscription.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Yeah too, right. Did you see that Auckland FC scheduling drama?

Speaker 10 (01:00:04):
Oh?

Speaker 21 (01:00:04):
I thought you're going to ask me about their their
uniforms actually which I thought they looked like they look
like the black Caps test cricket kit, one of those
ones with the am Z on the front.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
But I like it.

Speaker 21 (01:00:13):
Yeah, I did have a wee look at the scheduling issue.
This is with the Australia Cup, the knockout competition. They
thought they were going to play in about three or
four weeks time. Now it's been broad ahead because some
amateur teams off on her knees up to Vegas.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
What's how good? What's going on? I mean, I mean,
I don't want to interrupt a boy's weekend to Las Vegas,
but Surely actually playing your football is more important, isn't it?

Speaker 21 (01:00:37):
And particularly I think the fact that Football Australia feels
like a willing to go into bat for their you know,
Victorian amateur club as opposed to Auckland FC, who have
been a sort of fantastic introduction into the A League,
at least sort of from the outside looking in. Ye're
curious to say the least.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Yeah, Elliott, what do you I mean?

Speaker 19 (01:00:55):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Is it playing favorites? Is that what's happened here?

Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
It feels like it. Should you gone? Actually no, we've
got something books that weekend as well. We're going to
go to Topol, We're going to go to you know,
we've got something in the in the We're going to
lads trip of ourselves. So we want to play on
this state. They should have fut fort fire with fire,
I reckon and tried to get the date that they wanted.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Well, I don't know. With Taupo Taupo Las Vegas.

Speaker 4 (01:01:19):
Yeah, thank you, pick you pick.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Up room, you could step it up a little bit.
Hey listen, Elliott, tell me something. Have you watched that
video of Alexander Usik dancing?

Speaker 20 (01:01:27):
I have?

Speaker 4 (01:01:29):
He doesn't look overly into does he here no, so.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Does he have a back injury that has forced him
to not be able to play to fight or what
what's going on?

Speaker 4 (01:01:36):
I don't think so. I think he's trying to draw
this out and trigger the negotiations to an impass. And
because he doesn't want to fight Joseph Parker that his
camp made it relatively to you from the whispers they've
put out that year, while that's been mandated, there's no
interest from the Saudias and Parker fighting Usk the money.
He's just not there. So I think he's just biting

(01:01:57):
time and waiting for something to happen and trying to
avoid Parker because it's not an attractive enough fight. It's
not going to earn him the money that he wants.
So I think they're playing silly buggers. He's playing silly buggers.
And I feel sorry for Joseph Parker and all of
this because it's his world title fight that's been mandated,
but it increasingly looks like once again and it's happened before,

(01:02:18):
that he's going to be potentially left out in the
cold because he's not the drawer card at the Saudi's
et cetera. Want from a business perspective.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
Having said that, Nick, look, I've got a leg injury
that does you know? It excludes me from a marathon,
but it doesn't stop me, you know, walking.

Speaker 21 (01:02:33):
So are you comparing a marathon to twelve rings for twelve?

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
I am comparing myself with Joseph Parker, and I am.

Speaker 21 (01:02:43):
Oh, that's good stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:02:44):
Now.

Speaker 21 (01:02:45):
I think Elliott sums out there it is unfortunate for
Joseph Parker, but these are the realities of the wheelings
and dealings of professional boxing, and you do hope for
his sake he can get back there. Who knows. I mean,
Osak could relinquish this belt and maybe that's the best way.
Joseph Parker has a chance at fighting for it for
a vacated world belt, but it doesn't look great.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
Guys, enjoy your weekend. Thank you so much. Appreciated Alliot
Smith and Nick Beuley on that. Do you know what,
I think that Nick might have struck it on the
fifty because Jody when she my mate, Jody who's the
boss of TV and zaid we're on first name basis. Yeah,
that's how a lot of this is going down. Jody
on her way out, she was like, how much would
you pay? And she was like, and I don't think
I'm breaking her confidence when she said and Mike said,

(01:03:24):
and we're talking about Mike Costking obviously first name basis.
Mike said, but what did he say, like one hundred
and thirty nine or something, didn't they? And she was like,
but Mike's not really normal, like financially and we were like, na,
nah not. And I said, yeah, fifty bucks, I reckon,
and then and then Nick backed it up with the
fifty I reckon, the fifties. I reckon. They're not going
to She's done the research. I don't know why she's
bothering to poll normal people like me, But fifty If

(01:03:48):
Jody's listening, fifty fifty is where you want to hit it.
Sweet spot seven away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
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Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Hey News just out. Neil Quigley has gone. This is
the Chair of the Reserve Bank. Neil Quigley has just
tended his resignation today. We know this because Nichola Willis
has put out a press statement saying departing Reserve Bank
chair thanked mister Quigley today tended his resignation from the
board and as board chair with immediate effect. He's decided
that having overseen a number of keywork streams for the bank,

(01:04:23):
now is the appro ha appropriate time for him to
hand over as a new chair. That's not why he
quit whatever. Look, we have to get used to the
fact that out of the Reserve Bank we get all
kinds of reasons for why people have quit. That's not
why he quit. Why he quit is because it was
completely unsustainable for Neil Quigley to stay in the role
when he has been busted telling a polkey now so

(01:04:46):
many times that you cannot trust a thing that comes
out of his mouth. What's happened and what's happened this
week has actually been not It hasn't received the attention
that it should have because it was significant what happened
this week. What happened this week that we found out
why Adrian or Rarely left the bank. Remember how Neil
told us with the personal decision wasn't a personal decision

(01:05:07):
at all. What we found out because Jane Tibshraney's been
doing all the work on this, and so is Michael
Radallen Well done to the pair of them. What actually
happened was that Adrian Orr had a meeting with Treasury,
then he had a meeting with nikola Willis. Then three
days after the meeting with Nikolai Willis, he gets a
letter from Neil quickly saying, hey, mate, listen. The tenor
of the dialogue in those meetings was not cool. So

(01:05:30):
we're sending you a list of a whole bunch of
things we're worried about. At that point, Adrian Or steps out.
We didn't know this until this week. He steps down
as the Reserve Bank governor and leaves the office. That's Thursday,
don't come back Friday, don't come back Monday, don't come
back Tuesday. And on Wednesday he quits. That's why he quit,
and then the letter gets withdrawn. He quit because of

(01:05:50):
what happened in those meetings, and he got a letter
from Neil, So the problem is for Neil. Then when
Neil comes out and says to us he quits for
personal decisions, Well he didn't, did he. So anyway, the
problem now is Neil Quigley. You can't trust him. You've
got to because he can't trust what he says based
on this you've got to question his judgment. So now
he's going to taint the new guy coming in or

(01:06:12):
new lady or whoever they packed because we can't we
can't trust his judgment. Blah blah blah. Anyway, he's gone.
Nikola Willis's with us after six o'clock, which is coming
up shortly. I got a text from Wayne Apropos the
trade deals in the climate agreement. We're going to get
to that. And Cardi b has been in court. This is,
according to Sam the producer, the best court case in
the history of all court cases. I'm gonna run you

(01:06:34):
through that shortly.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
Lay keeping track of where the money is flowing.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
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Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Evening coming up in the next hour. The port of
Toadunger read the fight with the Ear and the results
out today. They're with us after six point thirty now
Barry's overall wrap the political week there was, and Gavin
Gray will do the UK It's coming up eight past six.
In news just out, the chair of the Reserve Bank
has quit after months of pressure over the handling of
the ex Governor Adrianaw's resignation the government this evening announced
Neil Quigley has resigned with the mediate effect. The Finance Minister,

(01:07:16):
Nicola Willis is with us now, Hi, Nicola.

Speaker 23 (01:07:19):
Good evening, Heather.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Why did he quit?

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
Well?

Speaker 23 (01:07:22):
He tended his resignation to me today and he noted that,
having completed a number of keywork streams for the Bank,
including the search for a new governor, that he felt
it was an appropriate time to hand over to a
new chair.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
Did you ask him to quit?

Speaker 23 (01:07:38):
No, but I had discussed with him ongoing criticism of
the Bank Board's handling of information relating to the exit
of the former governor. I had expressed to him my
concern that the bank's reputation was being impacted, and he
had agreed with me that that was a serious matter.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
And when had you expressed this to him.

Speaker 23 (01:07:58):
Most recently this afternoon?

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
What time.

Speaker 23 (01:08:03):
I would have to check to give you an accurate
accurate time.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
Would it be?

Speaker 23 (01:08:07):
What the four three o'clock or after three around that time?

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
And what time did he quit?

Speaker 23 (01:08:14):
I received his resignation at four fifty five today, So.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
I mean it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure
out it's your conversation that sparked him to resign.

Speaker 6 (01:08:22):
Right.

Speaker 23 (01:08:23):
Look, I've had a couple of conversations with him today,
but of course I've previously had conversations with him about
this matter. I've stated publicly that I have not been
satisfied with the way that the Reserve Bank had handled
Official Information Act requests relating to the exit of the
former governor.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
Did you give him an ultimatum?

Speaker 23 (01:08:46):
I wouldn't put it that way. I had expressed to
him clearly my views, and he had also expressed to
me that, with the government's decision to establish a new
medical schoolt the Universe City of Wykato, that he did
want to be able to focus his efforts on work
for the university. And we've also together been in the

(01:09:09):
process of appointing a new governor, a process that we
both think is very important and that we didn't want
to see jepardized in any way. That process is well progressed,
and I have full confidence that that process will be
completed in the next few weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
If he hadn't resigned today, would you have withdrawn your confidence?

Speaker 23 (01:09:29):
If mister Quigley had not offered his resignation, I would
have asked him for it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Wow, why well?

Speaker 23 (01:09:38):
As I've previously expressed, the Bank's handling of information requests
relating to the exit of the former governor did not
meet my expectations of transparency and of public accountability. I
had the opportunity late last night to review the Ombudsman's
ruling on this matter, the information that was subsequently released

(01:09:59):
by the Bank, and the Bank's press release relating to
those matters, and it did not meet my expectations for
how that matter should have been handled.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
Did you not know? Did you know or did you
not know that Adrian Orr had been sent a letter,
had stepped down from his role and Christian Hawksby had
taken over, and that he had left the office for
five days?

Speaker 23 (01:10:23):
Did you know that I had been informed that letter
of concern had been shared with Adrian Orr and that
employment discussions were occurring. I had never seen that letter heither,
and it was my view that at the point the
Board had commenced those sorts of employment discussions with Adrian Or,

(01:10:46):
it was really important to preserve the independence and the
reputation of the Bank by not involving myself as a
minister in the board's deliberations. On that employment matter. So
I intentionally distanced my self from that process, putting my
faith and trust in the board to communicate effectively what
had happened when that time came. And as I've expressed,

(01:11:10):
I'm not happy with the way that that was ultimately
done with.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
I'm going to ask you a bunch of questions now
so I can just get to the heart of something. Right, So,
did you know that he'd stepped down and that Christian
had taken over, and that he was out of the
office for five days before he quit?

Speaker 6 (01:11:24):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
Okay, then did if you knew that, then you must
have known when Neil stood up on the day that
he quit and said it was it was a personal decision.
You must have known Neil was wrong.

Speaker 23 (01:11:35):
Well, ultimately, the decision for the Reserve Bank Governor to
resign was his decision, and that was his personal MESSI
so idy.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
That's so shady, though, isn't it? Because the truth is
he resigned because he got a letter and he was
basically in an employment situation.

Speaker 23 (01:11:54):
Well, what I've been really conscious of is that where
there are legal issues related to employment matters, and where
there are exit agreements in place between an employer and
an exiting employee, as was the case in this matter,
that anything that is said, any speculation, any inference, needs

(01:12:15):
to be handled very carefully. And I thought, given I
had not seen that letter, given I did not know
and still have not seen that letter, had not seen
the contents of it, for me to speculate about what
had happened in any ensuing conversations that had occurred between
the Reserve Bank Governor and the board, that it would
be potentially jeopardizing the taxpayer for me to put myself

(01:12:38):
in the middle of it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
But were you bound by the NBA.

Speaker 21 (01:12:42):
No, I was not.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
So you're on our side. We've elected you right as
a country, even if we didn't vote for you, guys,
you're on our side, and so you should be standing
there going hey, Neil's not telling you the truth. This
isn't the truth. You should have been here collection.

Speaker 23 (01:12:54):
I am on your side, and that is why I had,
on several occasions reiterated my view that the bank should
seek to be as accountable, as transparent, as open as
possible about this matter. Was why, which was why when
the ombardsman made their ruling, Because the view that the

(01:13:16):
bank had maintained throughout when my office, when the Treasury
had engaged with them to suggest that the way they
were responding to Official Information Act requests was inadequate, the
Bank engaged their own legal advice and stress to us
that what they were doing was what was required of
them due to the employment arrangements in place now. Ultimately,

(01:13:38):
ultimately the Ombardsman has viewed that the public interest in
the matter was such that they should have waived that concern.
And it's my view that the way this matter has
been handled has not been of the standard I would expect,
has become a distraction and has ultimately had a negative
reputational effect for them.

Speaker 8 (01:14:00):
Bank.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
I just don't know what I think I asked you.
I have asked you on a number of occasions what
happened there, and I think you should have been upfront
about it as well. And I think I think cutting
Neil quickly at this stage saves your bacon bill only
just day. But can you now be clear with us
just on one thing. Adrian Or did not quit for
personal reasons. He quit because of the tenor of the
dialogue in those meetings, which led to him stepping down,
Christian taking over him leading the office, leaving the office

(01:14:21):
for five days and receiving a letter about his behavior.
That is why he quit.

Speaker 18 (01:14:26):
Well.

Speaker 23 (01:14:26):
The timeline of events at the Reserve Bank, released this
week at the request of the Offerson, makes clear that
employment conversations between the Reserve Bank Board and Adrian Orr
were precipitated in part by a letter from the Board
to Adrian Or raising a number of concerns. All right, listen,
but I have not seen that letter.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
Yep.

Speaker 23 (01:14:48):
I do not know the full contents of that letter.
I do not also know what response Adrian Orr, either
personally or via his lawyers, gave to it. And I'm
very conscious not to defame anyone and to be careful
about how I characterized that letter when I have not
seen it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
Okay, thank you, Nicola, and thank you for being so
frank with us. This seasnoning. Nicola Willis, Finance Minister. Sixteen
past six.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
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Speaker 17 (01:15:18):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
Just remember, I'm going to get to Cardi B's situation
shortly her court case. It's coming up. Nineteen past six.
Brad Olson, Infametrics Principal Economists was just listening to my
chat with Nikola and has popped onto the show for us. Hi, Brad,
Good evening. It was the stuff that happened this week. Ay,
it was that on Woodsman's report that put the nail
in the coffin.

Speaker 22 (01:15:40):
I think that was certainly the end of it, but
it certainly wasn't the start of the process. The trust
and confidence in the Reserve Bank boards comments since the
governor's resignation. Clearly anyone who was listening at the time
and then reading what's happened since then has known that,
you know, this wasn't just what we were told to
start with. We were fed one story. The actual real
story has now you just can't have that trust and

(01:16:02):
credibility in the Reserve Bank board chair after all of that,
and I think the Finance Minister has made it very
clear that she didn't have confidence anymore, and so he
either had to resign or he was going to get fired,
and he took the much more appropriate position and left.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
Yeah, it was this is a crucial juncture, though, isn't it, Brad,
Because the problem is had they appointed the new governor
under this chair, it is very likely that that governor
might have been tainted by Neil quickly well.

Speaker 22 (01:16:30):
And if not tainted in reality, certainly the perception and
the risk around the messaging would have been compromised. And
so I think the opportunity that the Reserve Bank has
now both with the new incoming governor at some point
and within now need to appoint a new board chair,
you do have really a clean reset for the bank
in terms of that relationship and the trust and credibility

(01:16:52):
with the public. You can't have the New Zealanders who
are paying an extreme amount of money to the Reserve
Bank to do an incredibly important but unelected role with
a lot of money on the line, and then give
them one story and drip feed out the real story
via a waas the next couple of months. That doesn't
breed the level of I guess credibility that you need
to have. So this did become, I think, just a

(01:17:12):
continual death by a thousand cuts for the Reserve Bank.
People were clearly worried. Every conversation I had with people
in the business world went what's going on with the
Reserve Bank? Why are we hearing one story and then
getting the real stuff a couple of weeks later. That's
not helpful for trust, confidence restored now con starting to
get restored. I mean, look, I think the fact that
the Finance Minister has taken such decisive action this week,

(01:17:35):
she's clearly not standing for it. She'll now have the
ability to appoint a new chair going forward. That plus
the incoming governor, that really does give an ability for
the Reserve Bank to reset at a governance level. Most
importantly the work of the Monetary Policy Committee and other
parts of the bank around setting interest rates, maintaining that
operational independence that remains that hasn't changed. But I think

(01:17:57):
all of these word sideways distractions that meant that we
weren't looking at the really important figures as much we
were trying to figure out what story was going on.
So this is an important sort of I guess closing
of the book and an ability to refocus.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
Brilliant stuff. Brad really appreciate it. Thank you so much,
Brad Olson. INFA Metrics principal economists hither, I'm hanging around
to hear what's happening at Port of Totong. You're just
gonna just a little bit longer, fifteen more minutes because
we had to bump them because of the Neil quigly
situation that's just happened. A oh that doesn't How good
is it to just put COVID behind us like that's
it now, isn't it. That's it. We got rid of

(01:18:30):
the government that did the COVID and now we've got
rid of the governor that did the COVID and the
chair and we can we can draw line under it.

Speaker 6 (01:18:36):
Move on.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
Now we are officially post COVID six twenty two, croating
the numbers.

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
And getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
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Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
That'd be hither you've forgotten about Chris Sipkins. That's true,
That is true. I mean when we get rid of
Chippy out of labor, which I think is I'd put
some money on that ahead of the next. But when
we get rid of Chippy, then we can say we're
officially post COVID. Here that there's a good interview. Good
on Nichola for fronting Ccinda would never have done that
with all the word salad and stuff, which is a
fair point. Heitherwile Nichola is a fantastic politician, I wish

(01:19:13):
the rest of them had her pedigree and passion. She
handled herself extremely well under a complete bombardment from Heather
It's but harsh six twenty five.

Speaker 23 (01:19:21):
Heather do for c Ellen Shoba's News Creek seven days
a week.

Speaker 3 (01:19:29):
This is Cardi B.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
She is either but she is featuring in the court
case of the century. At the moment, you probably not
even heard about it because we don't do this kind
of stuff properly, so we're going to give it a
proper go here. Cardi B is the rapper who likes
to talk about no her bits. I can't say what
Sam's Sam does this for me Sam, because he knows
all about this. I can't say what he wrote that,

(01:19:53):
but her bits, she likes to talk about it. Her
was it called no no not allowed to say that
word anyway. So she's been sued for allegedly beating up
her security guard. Security guard while she was pregnant, like
Cardi B was pregnant, and she beat up the security guard.
She's been on the stand Cardi B for the past
three days and she's given us some absolute gems.

Speaker 19 (01:20:12):
You said she's bigger than you.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
Is that her?

Speaker 14 (01:20:15):
Absolutely?

Speaker 6 (01:20:17):
I mean, did you call her fat.

Speaker 5 (01:20:20):
No, I was calling her a beach.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
Didn't call her fat, called her something else. And this
as well, And why were.

Speaker 5 (01:20:26):
You concerned because I'm pregnant and there's girls about to
beat my ass.

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
Hello, Hello, Hello, I'm here.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
And then also she gave us this.

Speaker 12 (01:20:39):
Yesterday you had.

Speaker 24 (01:20:40):
Black hair, short hair, today's blonde and long blue?

Speaker 20 (01:20:43):
Which one is your real hair for?

Speaker 7 (01:20:45):
They're wigs.

Speaker 6 (01:20:51):
Sorry, I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
Now you might not know from that they are. The
kids are loving this. They're just feasting on this, on
the tiktoks and stuff. You might not be able to
tell from her deposition. Hello, but actually this is a
really serious case for Cardi B. If she loses, she's
going to have to pay her former security guard twenty
four million dollars in damages.

Speaker 3 (01:21:12):
Sam didn't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
Didn't do this justice. My favorite, my favorite quote from
her was when she was asked whether she was disabled,
and she was like, I was pregnant. I was basically disabled.
And there's nothing that's been said that's truer than that statement,
because all of a sudden, when you're pregnant, there's a
lot of things you can't do anymore, like dry your
toes and that's basically being disabled, isn't it? So anyway,

(01:21:36):
Portatotong is with us. Next news is coming up.

Speaker 23 (01:21:38):
Yeah said when an amount when flat.

Speaker 3 (01:21:49):
Whether it's macro microbe or just plain economics.

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Dupleicy Ellen
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Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
Kevin Gray is going to be with us in ten
minutes time. Also, Bob Catter, We're gonna have to talk
about Bob Catter. Can I just say something really quickly
just about Adrian Or, just a clarification that I have
to make what happened. The information that was released this
week by the Reserve Bank specifically states that on the
day that Adrian Or, that two days before Adrian Or quit,
he rejected the assertions and the letter that was sent

(01:22:29):
to him, remember that letter that was sent by Neil
Quickly he rejected that, he accepted that he considered there
was a lack of trust between the parties. The exit
agreement that was then reached between Adrian Or and the
Reserve Bank included Adrian Or agreeing to resign, but the
board withdrawing the letter twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
Four away from seven, Heather duel.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
Now good news has come through for the Purse of Totunger.
The company has reported an underlying group net profit after
tacks of one hundred and twenty six million dollars, which
is an increase of twenty three percent on the previous year.
And the good news would have been welcomed because, as
we've been discussing this week, the port's fast track application
to extend the Wolves has been stopped by the courts.
Lenard Sampson is the Port of toting a chief executive
high Leanard, Hi, Heather. Listen, before I get to the results,

(01:23:11):
I want to deal with this extension issue first. How
frustrated are you by this?

Speaker 8 (01:23:16):
Look?

Speaker 24 (01:23:17):
We're enormously frustrated. It's been a very long and arduous
process over the past six years.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
So what actually happened here is that the case that
your application was you thought talking about the thing, but
you were not by by referring to stellar passage, but
you were not specific enough in referring to both of
the wharves. Is that right?

Speaker 24 (01:23:35):
I know we were absolutely specific and clear in our application.
It has always been clear that it included both the
Sulfur Point Wolves and the Mount Mongonery wolves. It was
even clear in the initial first mention of the schedule
in October twenty twenty four, but somehow in the final
drafting when the legislation was released in the Schedule two,

(01:23:58):
the Mount Monginery warves was left out.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
Oh so we'd only refer to the sulfur point warves. Yes,
so in that case, is it fair? What has happened?

Speaker 24 (01:24:09):
I look from a it's a legal process, and obviously
it's it's that that's the decision that the High Court
judge is made in this case.

Speaker 23 (01:24:16):
I think.

Speaker 24 (01:24:18):
I think as the judge that rightly points out it
may have well been a drafting mistake in the legislative process,
but I guess it is what it is, and we
are where we are at the moment. But it is
extremely frustrating, and look, simply from a port of total perspective,
I'm not too sure what more we could have done.
We were very clear with the description when we submitted
the application and it's always been there.

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
Okay, So what needs to happen to get this sorted?

Speaker 20 (01:24:44):
Oh?

Speaker 24 (01:24:44):
Look, I think we're having really good engagement with officials
at the moment from m F and and we're certainly
hopeful that that there will be a process where this
can this mistake can be rectified and amended. Well, look,
that'll be a decision for officials and for government to make.
There is talk of fast track amendments being made over

(01:25:09):
the coming months, whether it's picked up in that respect
or whether it's picked up sooner. We would certainly like
it to happen as soon as Are you.

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
Trying to avoid having to start this process all over
again and start the clock again?

Speaker 3 (01:25:20):
Absolutely?

Speaker 24 (01:25:21):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean it's been As I say, we're
in an extremely difficult position in tot On where we
are unfortunately having to turn away container services that is
costing New Zealand's importers and exporters and ultimately New Zealanders
as a result of freight ocean freight savings that could

(01:25:41):
have been passed on to New Zealand consumers.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
Yeah, how much business are you turning away because of this?

Speaker 24 (01:25:46):
Look, just in the last couple of months, we've had
three services that would have liked to have called tod
On and we haven't been able to accommodate any of them.
We simply cannot put any new vessels onto our birth
given that we're constraints.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
Now what is the Ewie's actual problem here is that
one of the wolves, a Mount Mongonui wolf gets if
you extended, gets too close to the local mdaia. Is
it the problem?

Speaker 24 (01:26:09):
Oh, look, there's a range of issues, and I mean
it's not It's not one ewis. There's multiple parties that
are involved in terms of some of the challenges around
cultural mitigation. But you know, from our perspective, Look, it's
something that has been contemplated and in the original port
plans for over thirty years. So look, we'd certainly like
to manage those mitigations to the best of we can,

(01:26:32):
but ultimately we haven't been able to reach agreement.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
Look, let's say that you are able to get fast tracked.
I realized that this was supposed to happen next week.
But if you were able to get fast tracked soon,
how quickly can you get this stuff up and built
and done.

Speaker 24 (01:26:47):
If we were able to get a consent as soon
as possible, it's still eighteen months to two year construction
period before we actually have the birth built.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
Yeah, okay, that's quite a long way. Now as to
your actual results, which is what we should we should
really be talking about, how did you manage such a
such an awesome end result.

Speaker 3 (01:27:07):
Oh, look, it's it's been.

Speaker 24 (01:27:08):
It's been a great year in terms of trade for US,
and really strong performance particularly from the agrisector and our
agricultural primary sector.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
Imports kee We fruit and coal basically.

Speaker 24 (01:27:20):
Yeah, sorry I said imports. I meant primary sector exports. Yeah, yeah,
Kiwi fruit dairy meat experts are really strong from an
import perspective. We certainly have helped in terms of some
of the energy challenges with import coal.

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
And what do you think what does the next financial
year look.

Speaker 6 (01:27:38):
Like to you?

Speaker 24 (01:27:40):
Look, I think we're cautiously optimistic for the for the
next financial year. We've got pretty resilient exports in the
current market at the moment, and there certainly certainly strong
commodity prices in that respect. And look, we we're we're
hoping that we'll see some improvement in the domestic economy
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
Yeah, Leonard here is hoping. Thank you very much for
the time. Appreciated that it's Leonard Sampson port of toting
a chief executive eighteen away from.

Speaker 3 (01:28:06):
Seven heither due, Ellen, I think you have to hear.

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
The full rant from Bob Catter to appreciate just what
an unhinged little episode.

Speaker 3 (01:28:16):
This was.

Speaker 1 (01:28:17):
Well, if you've got Lebanese heritage yourself, Oh, Mike, don't
say that because that irritates me, and I punch blokes
in the mouth for saying that.

Speaker 6 (01:28:26):
Don't you dare say that?

Speaker 8 (01:28:28):
My family have been in this country for one hundred
and forty years, right, so you and if you say
anything like that, I have, on many occasions punch blokes
in the mouth. Right, So I'm restraining myself today. Don't
say it.

Speaker 6 (01:28:43):
But I'm not listening to you.

Speaker 19 (01:28:44):
You're out.

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
I'm really confused here.

Speaker 16 (01:28:47):
What was wrong?

Speaker 19 (01:28:48):
Without taking the.

Speaker 8 (01:28:49):
Time, I don't I'm not dealing with the subject. I'm
an Australian, my family have been in since the dawn
of time.

Speaker 6 (01:28:56):
That's the end of it.

Speaker 8 (01:28:57):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
Now what irritated Bob was that he had called a
press conference to talk about migrants that he doesn't like
because they don't integrate into society, and that reporter had
basically reminded him that his family were Lebanese migrants.

Speaker 3 (01:29:11):
Wants to.

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
Now what happens is that he calms down. Okay, so
he gets on with the press conference and he does
calm down.

Speaker 8 (01:29:21):
Ninety two percent of the people coming to Australia go
to Sydney.

Speaker 6 (01:29:26):
And Norburne as that for the last twelve years.

Speaker 8 (01:29:29):
And do you see them mixing with other Australians, dressing
like other Australians, being friendly with other Australians, being in
the local Lions club.

Speaker 3 (01:29:38):
Do you see that?

Speaker 8 (01:29:40):
So you don't want to become Australians. Well, we don't
want to become Australians and we want you to get
the hell out of this country.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
But then what happens is the press conference goes on.
For Bob's blood still up, and the press conference goes on.
There's a group of them doing the press conference. Someone
else takes the mic. Bob steps back, he's standing, there's
like three of them in front of him. Someone's but
then something nick minute and I don't know what it
is that sparks him off, But next minute he's just
angry again. He's sort of shouting from the back of

(01:30:07):
the pack and he pushes his way forward and he's
having to go at the microphone again. Now when you
listen to it, can I just point out to you
that sometimes my three year old talks like this and
he goes man, I don't say that, And that's what
Bob sounds like.

Speaker 6 (01:30:20):
No, no, I don't say that, just just I don't
say that.

Speaker 8 (01:30:26):
I'm sure that don't say is pushing forward because you're
a racist. You're a racist if you cannot say what
you've just said without being identified as a racist. Some gentleman, ladies,
this man is a racius to you.

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
Oh it was good, Like You've actually got to go
look at the video because at one point he's I'm
not condoning his behavior. I'm I'm just narrating it for you.
He gets up there with his fist in the face
of the journal and do you know what that journal
stands there? He just doesn't move a because at that point,
I reckon, what's going through his little journo brain is
if Bob Katta clocks me right now, be a bloody

(01:31:00):
great yarn and I'm going to be an Australian legiond
But unfortunately Bob, because that would be that one hundred
percent be what's going through I would have been like, oh,
take this knock for a story. I reckon, this would
be a great yarn. Later on, this is going to
get me beers for least ten years from people. You
know what I mean, Like I would have made that calculation,
which I think is But anyway, as I say, Bob
does sound like my three year old I get. I
get Mama, don't say that, and I also get a

(01:31:21):
lot of Mama don't sang, which I think is in
the vein of Bob. Quarter two.

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from seven with US now as Gavn Gray, UK correspondent.
Hello Gavin, Hi, So we're going to get a decision
today on whether the court was right about the asylum hotel.

Speaker 25 (01:31:51):
Yeah, yeah, expecting that in about six hours time. And
this is going to be really really crucial for the
government and for how asylum seekers are treated here in
the UK now at the moment while they are awaiting
a decision on their asylum application. Some in fact, more
than thirty thousand are currently being put up in hotels

(01:32:13):
at taxpayers expense. I don't mean rubbishy old hotels. I
mean some quite nice hotels as well. It is done
at the cost daily cost of millions of pounds and
plenty of people in this thing country. I think that
is so wrong. So in Epping to the east of London,
there has been a series of protests outside one of
these hotels because a fourteen year old girl claims she

(01:32:37):
was sexually assaulted by an Ethiopian man living at that
hotel as an asylum seeker and he'd only just arrived
in the country, and the protests got well pretty heated.
There wasn't a lot of violence, but it was pretty
fraught at times, and the local council managed to win
in court an injunction saying it's got to be shut

(01:32:57):
down to asylum seekers because it was against planning regulations
and also could cause violence outside. They won, but the
government has gone to appeal saying, well, hang on a minute,
we are currently using couple of hundred hotels like this.
If we have to turf them all out all asylum
seekers have to leave the hotels, then this is going
to put our policies into massive problems. And so that

(01:33:20):
is what the Court of Appeal are going to decide
on today. And I have to say there are lots
of people waiting with bated breath to see what that
judgment will be.

Speaker 2 (01:33:28):
Yeah, I can imagine. So now that strike on the
eu'sed delegation, the EU's delegation officer in Kiev, was that
done deliberately or was that an accident?

Speaker 25 (01:33:38):
Yeah, we don't know. Actually, there are places around that
particular development in Kiev which were being targeted, so it's
possible that it might have been a drone that had
gone wrong in an attack. Equally, of course, the EU
and the UK been absolutely on the nail when it

(01:34:01):
comes to imposing some pretty tough sanctions, So the idea
that both offices were hit and hit badly is still
up for grabs as to why that was and was
it a mistake. Either way, both sides are just saying
this is just now a sham the idea that Russia
wants peace, that this is mocking the peace efforts that
have been put there. Interestingly, absolutely no word that I've

(01:34:24):
seen from a one mister Donald J. Trump about this
attack and his response to it, but certainly the Russian
Ambassador to the UK in London, Andre Kellen. He's been
summoned into the Foreign Office, at which I dare say
there was a bit of addressing down as best they could,
and indeed a charged affair in Brussels summoned in response

(01:34:46):
to talk to EU officials as well. So yeah, I
think this is going to be something that the EU
and the UK are going to use now to a
nineteenth round of sanctions against Russia.

Speaker 3 (01:34:58):
The question is is any of it working? Do they care?

Speaker 21 (01:35:02):
Kevin?

Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
Are you going to go for any of these Guinness
World Records?

Speaker 25 (01:35:06):
Well, Heather, I'll go halves with you or some of these,
I think now, So what have we got? Well, it
is the seventieth anniversary of the Guinness World Record titles.
It was begun on the twenty seventh of August nineteen
fifty five. So this week Everest decided that it would
launch a couple of ideas for people who might still
want to get into the record books. They are recommending

(01:35:28):
the most whoopy cushions sat on in one minute, the
fastest time to blow a stamp ten meters, the most
high fives in thirty seconds. That sounds relatively painless that
you and I could do, Heather. The fastest four hundred
meters sackrace. I like that, but in another one that
is for the more adventurous. The fastest time to ascend
the height of Everest by bicycle. Now I don't think

(01:35:50):
I mean going up Everest in a bicycle. I think
it's the height of Everest Anyway. These things are all
ones you can try. But in our midst we already
have a Guinness World record holder amongst your team. No
doubt she will reveal herself shortly.

Speaker 3 (01:36:05):
Oh yes, what was it for again? I did know this?

Speaker 2 (01:36:10):
Can you remember, Gavin?

Speaker 25 (01:36:10):
It's yes, it is for singing we're all in a
yellow submarine while in a swimming pool.

Speaker 3 (01:36:17):
I think so weird.

Speaker 2 (01:36:20):
I mean I recalled that you all wish we held.
Thank you, Gavin, appreciate it. Gavin Gray, UK correspondent, Beatty
Did you do it by yourself? Will you with others?

Speaker 20 (01:36:32):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
The largest in water choir? Did you do this in
Germany or in New Zealand? Thank god she did it
in Germany. Don't worry. We don't have to be embarrassed
by it. Seven away from seven it's the heather too for.

Speaker 1 (01:36:42):
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News Talk Zby.

Speaker 2 (01:36:49):
It's five away from seven. I've got to tell you
really quick. Oh no, okay, First things first, boy math.
You've got to know what boy math is. Boy math,
because you know, girl math is whatever, it's rubbish, but
boy math definitely exists. Boy math is. This has come
up on the internet today is when you don't pay
someone two hundred dollars to do something because instead what

(01:37:10):
you do is you pay five hundred dollars for the
new tools so that you can do it yourself, and
then you take an extra six weeks to do it.
That's boy math, am I right? Yes, we've all been there.
That's boy math. Okay, listen to this.

Speaker 6 (01:37:21):
Though.

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
There is a family in Dunedin who own the sex shop,
you know, the sex the longest running sex shop in
Dunedian cupids right, and they're going to close it down
because they've had a baby about a year ago. And
I mean, I think we can all see babies and
sex shops. It's like suddenly you don't like, how are
you going to raise it? What do you can mummy?
What do you what do we sell sex toys? You

(01:37:44):
don't want that conversation? What's that? No, don't touch it,
don't touch it? You know you don't want that. You
don't want that, so it's better to shut the shop
down face the kids dealing with them anyway. Interesting thing
that they've told the Herald when they were talking about
it today. DVD still make up about fifty percent of
their revenue to this day, the DVDs in the Six Shops.

(01:38:05):
Gangbusters at Delture by Jesse McCartney.

Speaker 26 (01:38:09):
You don't like, Oh no, no, my mom listens to
a show here that I'm not checking up on that
one Dulture by Jesse McCartney to play us out tonight.
You remember Jesse McCartney. He was a bit of a
teen heart throb singer back in the noughties, and unbeknownst
to me until I look this up just before, he's
been making music ever since then.

Speaker 4 (01:38:25):
He's released like four.

Speaker 26 (01:38:26):
Albums and he's got a new song out today and
it's called Doulchi. So we'll see whether or not he's
still got the pipes that he had back in the naughties.

Speaker 21 (01:38:33):
Know what.

Speaker 2 (01:38:35):
So back in the naughties he sang beautiful soul because
you live? How do you sleep? Body language? Levin, I
don't know any of those songs. Do you know of
those songs?

Speaker 26 (01:38:43):
I used to hate him so much because I was
a teenage boy. In teenage boy heart throbs are not
what teenage boys want to listen to on the radio.

Speaker 2 (01:38:50):
Okay, you do know who he is, fatally maybe, but
not really anyway, listen brilliant, enjoy your weekend. What what
a busy day that has been today? Hasn't it? Go
the w set up the wires, and then we'll see
you again on Monday. How much I syng say feeling

(01:39:15):
a porny? Come trip it up on weekend?

Speaker 3 (01:39:19):
Money? Should ever enuber.

Speaker 19 (01:39:25):
And know you'll only get the first manna when you're
comp it to the first manner.

Speaker 1 (01:39:32):
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