Full Show Podcast: 29 July 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Digging through the spin spence to find the real story story.
It's Heather duplessy Eland drive with one New Zealand. Let's
get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Afternoon coming up today. More than thirty six thousand nurses
are going to strike from tomorrow morning at nine. Can
you go to the hospital tomorrow we'll find out from
Health New Zealand Rob Fife, Michael Hill's chair on Michael
Hill passing away and we're going to tell you the
latest development in the quite controversial and degregious Muana childcare case.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
Heather duplessy Ellen.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Yes, So sad news today that Michael Hill jeweler has
passed away again, another larger than life figure in New
Zealand business, the likes of which we don't seem to
be making anymore now. I don't know if you realize.
I mean, we've all grown up with Michael Hill just
being you know, name we knew, But I don't know
if you realize how amazing his story was. But he
did not start his jewelry business until he was forty
years old. He'd up to then been working as a

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manager in his family's jewelry piness. He left school at sixteen,
headed straight there. He's there for twenty three years, got married,
had a couple of kids. One day his house burnt down,
and the story goes that when he was watching his
house go up, like literally standing there watching his house
go up in flames, he decided he needed to change things.
So he started his own shop and it was a success.
It was more successful than his uncle's business. So he

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opened seven shops in seven years and that was a success.
So he then decided to open another seventy in seven years.
And now his business is global. It's in New Zealand,
it's in Australia, it's in Canada. He's worked with Kim Kardashian,
He's designed his own golf course, he has a luxury
super yacht, he's got himself a knighthood, And isn't it

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remarkable when you think about it, that all of those
things happened after he took a massive risk when he
turned forty, I mean forty years, an age where most
of us are either at the peak of our careers
or absolutely firmly settled in what we're doing. Imagine just
tipping it all up and deciding to start your own
business at forty What I love about Michael Hill's story
the most was that he did the same thing that
many souccessful people do. He set goals and he visualized them.

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So he wrote his goals down for years, in advanced
seven years, sometimes even as many as thirty years, and
then he imagined what it would be like when he
was actually doing that and had achieved those goals. You
will hear successful people tell you to do this time
and time again. But before you even go get to
the point of setting that goal, you have to believe
that you can achieve it. And he clearly believed it

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in spades, and he thinks not enough of us believe
what we can achieve. He was more, obviously though, than
just a man who was into money. He promoted art.
He was very good at violent and in fact so
good he founded an international violin competition for young players.
He donated to health research, He took his New Zealand
business to the world, and he showed yet again that
you can dream big from a small place like Fangada.

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He is an inspiration and he is a loss, but
more importantly, he is an example to us all we
just need to set our goals and then go for it.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
Together do for sea LA.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Which number nine two.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Nineteen standard tech fees applied. There are calls for tougher
rules for pharmacists after the death of a two month
old baby who was wrongly given an adult dosage of medicine.
Now the child's parents and also a NICU doctor are
questioning why pharmacists don't have to have their medication checked
by a second pharmacist before they just spend them to
a client. Lanny Wong is the director of MUNG of
Phi Pharmacy and sits on the National Executive at the

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Pharmaceutical Society. Lanny, Hello, Gerda, Heather. Do you think that
every medication should be checked by a second set of
eyes or just medication for kids?

Speaker 5 (03:33):
You know in the perfect will? Yes, double checking is
a good idea, yep, for all of them, for everything. Yes,
I would agree with that. Yeah, and that is that
is actually what is recommend It is to double check.
Even if you're by yourself, you're meant to double check
your own work.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Does that happen?

Speaker 5 (03:54):
Yes? And though you know, most of most of the
time farmists do their best, but often the system does
and allow us.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
To do that.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
Why not too busy?

Speaker 6 (04:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (04:03):
Well, it's a very complex thing to explain, but the
easiest way to sort of explain this is that we
have a system that prioritized volume over value. So there's
a fundamental flaw and the way our funding model is
shaped so as you know, the way pharmacy revenue comes
is tied to the quantity of item with the spend.
You know, So, for example, if you come across a

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complex prescription that requires a lot of clinical thinking, a
lot of sorting out, a lot of contacting prescriber to
discuss clinical reasoning, all that takes time and it can
take up to a few hours. So when you have
a situation like that, you know, you could be spending
that time, you know, sorting out all the backlog of
prescription and you'll be remunerated for sorting out the backlog,

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but you won't be remunerated for sorting out a very
complex description.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
Well, everybody, everybody's remunerated for being productive, aren't we forgetting
as much done as possible as fast as possible.

Speaker 5 (04:59):
Yeah, that you put it put it quite rightly here there,
So we're being remuneratedble being productive.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yeah, Now this thing that the kid was given, so
was this baby girl was premature. She was given phosphate?
What what is just out of interest? What does phosphate
do for a prem baby?

Speaker 5 (05:16):
Yeah, so you look, I'm not as specialist. I think
the MECO specialists that explained that in this article, like
young babies, they tend to have pre sort of premature
absorption system, so they do have lack of certain type
of you know, vinlin and minerals. So phosphate is one
of those.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Right, Okay, so it's giving them something that they don't have. Okay,
that's correct.

Speaker 7 (05:39):
Now.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
I would have, Lenny, I would have thought that, you know,
I mean, you can take a punt with me. I'm
in my forties. Who cares, you know what I mean?
But I would have I would have thought that if
a pharmaister's pharmacist is dispensing something for a two month
old baby, you would double triple, quadruple check it. Would
you not have thought?

Speaker 5 (05:55):
Yeah? I would, Yeah, I would. There will be the
normal assumption. However, you know, like in terms of what
happened here is it's really hard. That's why pharmacists support
a full and transparent investigation to find out what happened.
It does seem out of place. I don't think any
pharmacists will disagree with your sentiment. You know, obviously something

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went wrong here and we need to understand what that is.
Because the work we do a compact scripts like that.
You know, a lot of you know, we call it
the Swiss cheese model. A lot of things can go wrong. Yes,
you know, when something's missed, and you know, we don't
know the nature of this description it could be.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
Do you not think I mean, do you not think
I acknowledge that you guys are just humans? Right, You're
not robots, You're humans. You're gonna you're gonna have a
fight with your child in the morning, and you're gonna
be you're gonna be annoyed when you come to work,
or you're gonna be tired, or maybe you had one
too many beers last night or whatever. So, actually, considering
all of that, should we not, as people receiving the
medication double triple chick at ourselves, given that we've got

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access to chat GPT, now, should we not be pumping
that in and going is this and a dose for
a woman of forty Yeah?

Speaker 5 (07:03):
I think you know, yes, yep, you know that that
is sitting in option. But you know, most of the
time people that come and then pick up the description
they are not well, so they're not thinking clearly most
of the time, and they are probably in the very
vulnerable position.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (07:16):
And I think you know, for young parents, you know,
they're obviously very stig deprived. You probably understand that yourself,
so they're probably not thinking clearly. Yeah, and you know
a lot of things, can you know, affect that And
I think you know, this is this is one of
those things. That's why you know how professional advice is important.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Yeah, okay, Lannie, I appreciate your time. Thanks so much.
Lanny Wong Mung of Phi Pharmacy. Also, as I said earlier,
SIT's on the national executive at the Pharmaceutical Society. I'm
going to come back to that actually because the thing
happened to me. It's not gosh, it's not nearly as
serious as the phosphate with the Wii one, but yeah,
a thing happened, and so I do actually think we
need to triple check it ourselves. Here. The Michael Hills

(07:54):
book inspired me. I read it after picking up a
copy from the Queenstown Airport. I was thirty five at
the time, and I remember thinking I have thirty years
until retirement. If he can do it, I can do
it too. Just an ordinary Kiwi guy who inspired many. Hither,
I'm a jeweler. I worked for Michael Hill for around
eight years. I spent a bit of time with him.
He was a decent guy, bit nerdy, worst things said
about me, but good sense of humor. He took a

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genuine interest in the guys and girls in the workshop.
Nice bloke icon in the jewelry trade. Yeah, I think.
Do you know what I mean? If I if you
had to be called a bit nerdy, but then you
could have a luxury super yacht for being a bit nerdy,
You'd take it, wouldn't you. Sixteen past four.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
It's the Heather to Bussy Allen Drive Full Show podcast
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Speaker 3 (08:42):
Hither I love Michael Hill's book and inspired me to
start my business at the age of fifty. Good from you.
Eighteen past four Darcy Walter Grave sports talk host with
me Now, Hello, Darce.

Speaker 8 (08:52):
Awesome golf course.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
Have you played it well?

Speaker 9 (08:55):
I'm not allowed to. I can't play on a terrible team.
But I've been there. No, No, I've been there. When
the New Zealand Open has been played there and had
to wander around.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
It is spector with all the sculptures and stuff. It's
true that he built a castle.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (09:10):
I'm not as biographer.

Speaker 9 (09:12):
What for himself on the of course, I don't know.
Wouldn't surprise me.

Speaker 8 (09:17):
I tell you what.

Speaker 9 (09:18):
The boat that he built looks like the Rock of
Gibraltar castle, isn't it.

Speaker 8 (09:23):
Not entirely sure about that?

Speaker 9 (09:25):
Acidically maybe not exactly pleasing, but definitely statement made.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
Oh are you so you're saying your boat is a
bit class here?

Speaker 7 (09:32):
Is it?

Speaker 8 (09:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (09:32):
Yeah? Okay, good goodness. Okay, So the ANZAC Test is
going to Wellington's. But that's good for the capital.

Speaker 8 (09:39):
Well, it is good.

Speaker 9 (09:40):
They've had a reasonable record than In fact, I think
the Warriors have had better results in the last handful
of times they've played the End and the.

Speaker 8 (09:45):
Hill Blacks have.

Speaker 9 (09:46):
They probably would prefer there. So it's been the ANZAC
Day has been a tradition. I suppose it'd say since
one two thousand and nine that they've had this celebration
of the Australian New Zealand cores and the fact that
they I went over at the behest of our British
overlords to get Yeah, I won't even go into that,
it's not worth it. But it's celebrating bravery, celebrating the

(10:07):
combination of his head on Australia and what we can do.
So it's a good idea. So why here they've had
it for the last couple of times. I want to
carry on with that because it keeps going to Izzy,
then we get it back a bit, then it goes
to Ossie, then it goes to Ossie. They've got a
few already, haven't they.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
Yep?

Speaker 8 (10:24):
I suppose that. Should it be ours?

Speaker 3 (10:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (10:26):
Should we share?

Speaker 3 (10:26):
You're the experts here, No, I'm not an expert. Squad
missed out tonight.

Speaker 8 (10:30):
Yeah, it comes out.

Speaker 9 (10:31):
At six o'clock. I'm going to talk to Cameron George
about that later on the show.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
Are you expecting get erprises?

Speaker 9 (10:36):
Ah, the way Andrew Webster works, no, I'm not. I
think people might say it's a surprise because they got
beaten and someone's going to get the who's going to
get cracked and so on and so forth. But from
what I've seen of Webster so far, he doesn't really
respond to stimulus like that, does he he's very much
got his own master plan if you will.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
Now, do you think Trump was cheating or not?

Speaker 10 (11:00):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (11:00):
No, he wasn't.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
Well, no he was because there was two weeks so
the first one and I can't even explain it. So
he pulls his little little golf cart up. He's on
the fairway, pulls his golf cart up, just gets his
club and then hooks the ball over to him. Now
that just I think that's just lazy. Like he's pulled
up too close to the ball and he's like, oh,
I can't be bothered moving the golf cat, so I'm
just going to pull it over to me. Because there's
no actual advantage in what he's done.

Speaker 4 (11:23):
Is that?

Speaker 9 (11:23):
And what about the ball that just got dropped by?
And there are plenty of them. It's almost like a
comic turn. It's like sin every month we're going to
have or every year.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
The caddy walks in front of his golf cart and
just drops the ball. So advantageous side of the rough.

Speaker 9 (11:44):
Who and Earth would possibly be videoing the President United
States of amer proclaying golf in a sport that he's
well renowned for playing loosen free with the laws.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
I've been thinking about this a lot, and I think
what's going on here is gentle parenting. What do you think?

Speaker 11 (12:00):
Like?

Speaker 3 (12:00):
They don't want to deal with the tantrums.

Speaker 9 (12:02):
So they he just says, so Caddy, Cady.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
The Caddy's like, I cannot be bothered dealing with Donald
if he's in the rough again, and he's just gonna
he's gonna he's gonna hack at it and it's gonna
be We're gonna be six strokes in. He's been really
grumpy about this, so I'm just gonna pop it there.

Speaker 9 (12:15):
It's all diversion, That's what it is, sort of it.
They'll talk about the golf. They'll forget about what else
I'm doing to this country. We'll talk about the golf.
Just cheap, just cheat.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
Thank you, Darcy, appreciate it, Darcy Watergrave. Sports Talk Coaster.
We're back seven o'clock to night here on Newstalks B
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Speaker 1 (12:32):
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Speaker 4 (12:39):
Moving the big stories of the day forward.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
It's Heather Duplicy on drive with One New Zealand Let's
get connected News talks'.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
B listen, it's getting it's going from from I was
going to say from bad to worse. But I feel
like it was already worse in Australia with the childcare issue,
with what's going on in their date, their daycares. But
there is more this time, completely different set of circumstances,
just physical assault. When you say it's just physical assault
this time, but it's just physical assault this time. Anyway,
Murriyolds will run us through it in about ten minutes time.

(13:10):
It's twenty five past four. Just a little woo for you. PSA.
Tomorrow over thirty six thousand nurses and midwives are going
to strike from nine in the morning. Now that's a
lot obviously, and they're doing it for twenty four hours.
So the question, I mean basically anything elective is being
canceled at the minute. Anything that's planned is being canceled.
The question, of course, is more like what happens to
you if you fall over, I don't know, in front

(13:32):
of a bus. Do you go to hospital? I mean obviously,
or more like it's the marginal stuff, isn't it. It's
the old not fell over. It can cuss myself, do
I go to hospital? We're going to have a chat
to howth New Zealand about that after five o'clock. Now
Donald Trump has been asked. He was speaking to reporters
at his golf club Internbury, and he was asked why

(13:52):
it was that he cut ties with Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 12 (13:56):
This was his explanation, that's such old history, very easy
to explain. But I don't want to waste your time
by explaining it. But for years I wouldn't talk to
Jeffrey Epstein. I wouldn't talk because he did something that
was inappropriate. He hired help, and I said, don't ever
do that again. He saw people that work for me.

(14:17):
I said, don't ever do that again. He did it again,
and I threw him out of the place for Sana
on Grada, I threw him out and that was it.

Speaker 4 (14:27):
I'm glad I did. If you want another.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
Truth, actually on that, Adam sent me a text. I
don't get a lot of these texts. Adam your a legend.
Hither I owe you an apology. Yesterday I criticized you
on the text machine for supporting Israel, but then I
heard your thoughts on New Zealand having to take a
strongest stance after the Ossie PM did, which was on Friday,
very well, said thank you yes, thank you. I do
not support Israel, nor do I support Comas. I just

(14:50):
support people actually being able to eat. Now on that subject,
I hope I'm not getting ahead of myself here, but
it seems reasonably promising that Donald Trump has now called
out Bebie on Gaza because I don't know what Benyamin
Netanya who's up to, but he's gone, there's no starvation
in Gaza. Well, that's very hard. That's a hard line
to hold. That's a hard line to maintain when there

(15:11):
are photos of children starving in Gaza. I don't know
how you can say there's no but anyway, Donald Trump says,
actually no, there is real starvation, and he's told Israel
to allow in every ounce of food into Gaza. So
fingers crossed headlines, Next.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Time flies and only twice recapping the day's big news
and making tomorrow's headlines. It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with
one New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
There'd be.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
Somewhere right, Burry Old standing by to have a chat
to us in a few minutes time, and Barry Soopa
will be with us on politics in ten minutes.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Now.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
The government is facing a little bit of heats today
for the decision to increase the director's fees, board members
fees by up to potentially eighty percent. Now, smart thing, absolutely,
one hundred percent smart thing for them to do, right
thing for them to do. They should not back down
on this. You know, if you want to have you
pay for excellence. Basically you want good people on your boards,
you're gonna have to pay them proper money. You want numpties,

(16:14):
keep paying what you're paying. However, the timing is not
great because while they're busy uping these directors fees, the
nurses are upping and out the door because they're not
getting paid enough. So we're gonna have a chat to
the PSA about it. This is a public service association.
They'll be with us quarter past five. Right now, it's
twenty four away from five.

Speaker 4 (16:31):
It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
Five people, including a police officer, have been killed by
a gunman in Manhattan. The gunman, excuse me, carried out
the attack in an office building with an assault rifle.
Here's the NYPD commissioner.

Speaker 13 (16:45):
The shooter is believed to be Shan Tamora, twenty seven
year old now with the Las Vegas address the vehicle
he exited. Inside of that vehicle, officer has found a
ray for case with rounds, a loaded revolver ammunition magazine.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
Donald Trump has issued a deadline to Russian President Vladimir
Putin to reach a peace deal with Ukraine. Here's what
he said.

Speaker 12 (17:06):
I'm going to make a new deadline of about ten,
ten or twelve days from today.

Speaker 4 (17:14):
There's no reason in waiting.

Speaker 12 (17:16):
There's no reason in waiting.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
Doesn't sound like he made it up on the spot
ten ten or twelve days. And finally, comedian Bobby Lee
says he thinks he was cut from the Six in
the City sequel series because he was too woke. Bobby
played the co host of Carrie's podcast on the first
two seasons of and Just Like That, and he says
the producers have cut the woke elements from the show,

(17:39):
such as minority characters. HBO says this isn't true, and
Bobby wasn't invited back to season three because Carrie isn't
hosting the podcast anymore. She's writing a novel.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
Back to the way it used to be, writing, not talking.
Murray OL's Ossie correspondent with us. Now, I mus have
you went to that you like a bit of six
in the city?

Speaker 2 (18:03):
No, No, I'm afraid I don't make it was a
good time.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
It was a good time, It really was. Now, how's
your government feeling about the old tariffs with Trump?

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Again? Well, to be honest, not bugget do I know?
I don't think they know either. I mean, depending on
the day of the week, which way the wind is blowing,
if Donald Trump's come over is still in place, I mean,
how do you pick this guy? He says, where's the quote?
I've got a new teriff for the world? Well, what
does that mean?

Speaker 4 (18:31):
You're weirdo?

Speaker 2 (18:33):
I mean, I don't know how countries around the world
are supposed to try and run economies. Your country Australia,
but he you know, India, how are you supposed to
run when he changes from Monday to Tuesday. You don't
know what you're dealing with. Yeah, and even the opposition
over here, which has been howling, growled and easy to
go and bend the knee in the White House and
go to the Oval Office and get dressed down like

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everybody else, even the opposition is saying, you know what,
it's a bit strange with what we're dealing with now.
I mean, Donald Trump's just blown up all the rules.
Australia's got a massive trade serpace in the United States.
I mean, you know, I mean Trump's tarrums should not
apply to Australia full stop. And yet here we have
the European Union bending the knee and you know everybody

(19:15):
else that are falling. Look Japan falling over themselves to
China Pease, there's weirdo. So the Australian government really doesn't
know what's going on. And I don't think Donald Trump
does that.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
Do you think?

Speaker 3 (19:26):
Do you think, muzz? I mean there is. It seems
to me there are two potential ways to deal with this,
you know, adequately. One is that you do the kirstarma
and you suck up like you wouldn't believe. The second
is that you do in New Zealand, you just you
just try to hide away and don't ruin any attention.
But has has Albert run the risk of potentially maybe
just antagonized Trump just either so slightly like you know,

(19:48):
he's not doesn't sound like a Trump fanboy.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
He's not a Trump fanboy. But you know, to be honest,
I mean, does Donald Trump even know where Australia is?
Is he sure we're not Austria? I mean, the guy
is just the weirdest duck in the whole pond, don't
you think. I mean, how the hell do you deal
with the guy? Well, how do you draw up policies
to drive and deal with Washington?

Speaker 3 (20:09):
He's don't ask me. This is battling the most smart
people in the world. I've got no bloody idea either. Jeez,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
It's just weird.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Yeah, Now it is This pro Palestinian protest march's going
to happen.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Well, not if the government has its way. This is
a proposed march across the Sydney Harbor Bridge on Sunday.
The group here in Sydney is called the Palestine Action Group.
It's been protesting for the last couple of years, just
about every weekend and places like Hyde Park. But given
what's going on in Gaza now, the images we've seen
of starving children the like, the Palestine Action Group has

(20:43):
applied for permission, as is required out of the law.
Has asked the police for permission to march on the
Sydney Harbor Bridge on Sunday. The state government has said,
not on your nelly. The bridge is a major artery
through the city. We can't have a block for a protest.
The group itself says, right, if that's the case, if
we're not going to be allowed to be going to

(21:03):
go to the Supreme Court to challenge that decision. And
by the way, don't you think that closing the bridge
for a movie scene a couple of three weeks back,
the Sydney Marathon's coming up in two weeks. That's going
to be closed for that. The Pride March that Anthony
Albanizi marched than a year ago. The bridge was shot
for that as well. So don't tell me you don't
close the bridge for big events. We're planning a big event. Yes,

(21:26):
So it's going to go to the Supreme Court.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
It looks like that's a fair point that you make. Okay,
Now tell me what's been going on with this childcare story?

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Oh, dreadful, just beyond measure. This is on top of
what's happened down in Melbourne that guy Joshua Brown charged
with more than seventy child abuse offenses. That guy, you know,
Heather worked at more than twenty I think twenty three
or twenty four. Child said in about four years. I mean,
how many jobs have you had? I mean this guy's

(21:54):
gone fore he's.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
Yeah, maybe we're going to have to leave their muzz
Sorry about that. Murray Old's Australia corresponding, what's going on here?
To give you the you don't need too much detail,
do you work? As been accused of bashing a one
year old in Queensland, So maybe they just need to
have a good old look at who they're letting look
after children. What do you think ever?

Speaker 4 (22:14):
Duplus Ellen.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
Now I'm gonna update you, speaking of children, update you
on the case of Mowana.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
Now.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
I don't know if you remember this. This is a
big thing ahead of the last election. Mwana is a
little girl who has been in foster carer. Her mom
did not deserve to look after her anymore. She'd been
taken off her mum a number of times, so she's
given to this foster family. And I think it was
around about twenty eighteen something like that. Anyway, three years
or so later, twenty twenty oneish ordering a TAMAITAKEI formerly

(22:40):
known as Sif's decides to take Mouana away from her
foster parents because Mowana is Mari and her foster parents
are parqui. How literally, I am not making it up.
That is why they wanted to do it, because they
didn't think that she could that they could look after
that ot did not think that the family could look
after her cultural needs anyway in the end, So these

(23:00):
this couple sound like just the kind of people that
you want to live next door to. They sound so decent.
They fought it through the courts and they managed to
keep Moana and they have got her. They're looking after her.
But ordung A Tamidiki has just been absolutely spanked by
a judge for this but for egregious behavior and order
to pay the costs estimated to be around one hundred

(23:21):
and eight thousand dollars. Now what this is is it's
indemnity costs against udung A Tamidiki to pay the couple
for what they had to pay in legal costs to
look after the school. I mean, how decent are you
as a person if you sink one hundred and eight
thousand dollars into fighting a legal battle to look after
a child that isn't even your own flesh and blood.

(23:43):
But that is how much you care about the child anyway,
so Ot, because they were helping the court case against
the family, they've now been ordered to pay for that.
Indemnity costs are exceptional. They are only awarded against a
party that has acted very unreasonably. The judge said, I
accept the couple's submission that there was a campin by
OT against them to discredit them, and this was pursued

(24:04):
on appeal. The egregious aspect of this approach is that
ordering it, somebody can continue to discredit and undermine the
couple on appeal anyway. Guess what, Guess who doesn't want
to talk about it? Oh that's right, Ot Minister will
speak to us about half past five, sixteen away from five.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Politics with centric credit, check your customers and get payments certainty.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
Write thirteen away from five and barries so per senior
political correspondence. Yeah, hello barrin, good afternoon. So the electoral
law changes have been past first reading off to the
Select Committee.

Speaker 8 (24:32):
Yes, and the interesting thing is they will be reported
back by December. Beginning of December, which means they'll be
in place for the next election. Now you can imagine
there was a lot of heated debate about this, that
people being disenfranchised, people losing the right to vote. I mean,
it's absolutely absurd. The rules are going to be out

(24:54):
there quite clear. In Australia, for example, twenty six days
they have they have to be enrolled before an election.
Here we've cut it down to thirteen, even though before
that they could enroll on election day. As we all
know now the sponsor of the bill and mending the
electoral Law as of course, the Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith,

(25:16):
who had what he saw was an explanation as to
why around one hundred thousand people enrolled on election day
the last time round to vote on election day. That
is following him was Labour's duncan where they are.

Speaker 14 (25:30):
We had the Electoral Commission, on one hand saying with
one message saying get enrolled, get and rolled, and they're
funded with many millions of dollars to encourage people to enroll,
which the law says you should do. But on the
other hand they were also saying, but by the way,
don't bother because you can just rock up on election
day and vote. And more people heard the second message
than heard the first message, and as a result, more
and more people were turning up and enrolling when they voted.

Speaker 15 (25:53):
It's a dark day for democracy. What's Christopher Lutson doing?
He is making it harder for people to vote. It's shameful,
It's absolutely shameful. He was to stop people enrolling, stop
all those people exercising their vote.

Speaker 8 (26:11):
Well, it's absurd to say that they're stopping people from enrolling.
They're trying to enlighten people, to get them put their
thinking caps on when it comes to an election and
get out and enroll. It's not that hard. So who
are those people who turned out on election day last
time round to vote and enroll? Well, the Green's co

(26:33):
leader Madame Davidson seems to think she knows. She outlined
in a question to the Primes.

Speaker 16 (26:38):
Should renters young people Marty, Asian and PACIFICA communities be
afforded less access to democracy just because they are more
likely to need to cast a special vote.

Speaker 14 (26:52):
I think all New Zealanders are quite capable of getting
registered two weeks out from an election, and I think
they would be insulting to suggest otherwise.

Speaker 8 (27:00):
Yeah, and I totally agree. I mean, there's going to
be an advertising bullitz and the lead up to the
next election, as there is at every election. And if
people don't know that an election's on and think they
can turn up on the day and en roll, I've
never done it in my life. And I voted many,
many times in elections.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
Okay, sorry, it's quite a hot one for me. I
don't understand why.

Speaker 8 (27:24):
Well, it just gets up my nose when there's these
absurd claims by people that are meant to know something
about the electoral system, like Duncan Webb, who's an academic,
to say that they're being robbed of the right to vote.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
Well, I mean the very least been slightly frustrated. I mean,
we are to be fair going.

Speaker 8 (27:44):
They crazy, don't get off going.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
Back thirty two years in time, right, the last time
you had to do this two weeks in advance was
nineteen ninety three. Bearing Oh isn't that terrible? Oh you
are oh just for you are so raising on this.
It's not even that big deal anyway. Listen, government's doing
the right thing, aren't they, with the with the board members.

Speaker 8 (28:06):
Pay well, the old story, isn't it. You pay peanutch,
you get monkeys and you only have to look at
the New Zealand Health Board to understand that when Lester
Leavey had to be brought and they were spending more
than over spending more than one hundred and thirty million
dollars a week. So Lester Leevey was brought in to
try and bring it right. But you know you've got

(28:26):
if you want to pay, if you want the public
service to run well, and these are state sector companies
that are being run, you've got to be able to
pay them. Not as much maybe as the private sector.
But I'll tell you what, everybody's got terribly excited about this.
No one was excited when it was announced last last

(28:48):
November by Paul Goldsmith. He put out a statement he
said that look, they'll be bringing director fees to twenty
two Crown old owned companies closer to the market rate.
And then he said they will be up to eighty
to ninety percent of the private rate. Now, if people

(29:09):
didn't read that, sorry, they had plenty of notice. Yet again, Lord, whatever.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
You've taken today, you need to just half the dose.
Half the dose?

Speaker 8 (29:20):
Are even the sleep in this country?

Speaker 13 (29:22):
Oh wow?

Speaker 3 (29:22):
Okay, very sober senior political correspondent, Way too much coffee
today nine away from five.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking.

Speaker 17 (29:33):
Breakfast the peas associated with the old tap and go
the card transactions are generally being banned now. Scott Simpson
is the Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister and he's in
charge of all of this. Are you disappointed in the
reaction from all the people going I'm just going to
pass the cost on, Well, you say, am, actually, because
I think that this is a real win for New
Zealand consumers and actually it's a win for New Zealand
businesses as well. This is a cost on business, though,
isn't it. Could you not have done more as a

(29:55):
government towards the banks as opposed to towards the dairy owner.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
Well that's a matter for the Commerce Commissions, the Commerce.

Speaker 7 (30:01):
Commission that regulates and to change fees. They'll be watching
very carefully this reaction as well.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
Maybe they might have another of it.

Speaker 17 (30:08):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
a Vida News Talk z B.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
I'm glad Barry sees it the way he does. He's right, Heather,
I agree with Barry. Heather, get with it, Heather, Barry's
a sad ass hat, Heather. I agree with Barry one
hundred percent, and I've only had two coffees today. Ge
was okay, listen, good good point from somebody on the
text machine who in ot is being sacked over that
court case with Mwana and her foster. Pearance Minister's going

(30:36):
to be with us after half past five, so I'll
ask her that now we started the program. I've been
meaning to get to the start of the program talking
about that terrible news that actually it's been around for
a we've known about it for I want to say,
like thirty six hours or so, that the pharmacy prescribed
somewhere in the manner were two to the premature baby
two months old, prescribed an adult dose of phosphate which

(30:58):
then led to the baby dying. Well, we had a
mix up with it wasn't the pharmacy and it was
not nearly obviously the serious at all. I mean, that's
terrible what's happened to that baby. But we had like
a bit of a weird mix up the other day too,
because I took the little one and she's six months now,
took her into the doctor because had a bit of
exmil on the back and I said to the doctor,
I've got a bit a hydrocholder zone it a steroid,

(31:18):
you know, one percent whatever. You know, I'm not a doctor,
but I think I know what i'm doing. And he
was like, no, no, I'm going to prescribe you as
zero point five percent sterro, just something a bit light.
I was like, oh cool. Now I couldn't go. I
didn't have time before coming to it to get it
from the pharmacy. So I got it picked up right,
So that got arranged. It was picked up the dad. Dad,
gave baby a bath, put it on her back, like

(31:39):
the doctor said, yeah, put it to bed. I got
home that night put it to bed. And then, you know,
being a dad, the house was just a shite storm,
wasn't it. So I was going around cleaning up everything.
There's a random towel, there's this, there's and then I
was like, what, oh hello, did you put this on
her back?

Speaker 10 (31:55):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (31:55):
Yes, I did it. Oh that's his that's hemorrhoid cream.
And that says for rectal use only in big block
letters and also not to be used on children under
the age of twelve. So I was like, okay, good
to know that you're reading your stuff. So I called
plunket line. They were like, oh no, you're gonna have
to get her up. Oh no, wash that off. So
we got the baby up, poor little thing, got her up,
put her in a bathroomly quickly washed it off. She's

(32:17):
back in bed within fifteen minutes, not a problem. She
went back to sleep. It was a bit confused about
what happened anyway, got a hold of the doctor the
next day. It was his computer, just he just selected
the wrong one and it pumped out. And the lesson
in this again, this is the lesson. You have got chat, GPT,
now you have got Google AI. You've got all the
things right. So it doesn't matter if it's for your baby,
but especially if it's for your baby, but also for you.

(32:39):
Check the dosage before you use it. Just run it
through the op because it's going to tell you whether
it's the right my baby six months old is the
right dose for it, blah blah. You know, just give
it a double check. Pharmacists and doctors are humans. They're
gonna make mistakes and then fingers crossed, we can try
to just put one more blockade there before you know,
big mistakes happen anyway. Listen, nurses strike tomorrow. Let's talk

(33:00):
to Health New Zealand and find out whether you should
go to the doctor or not. News Talks at BE.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
Questions, answers, facts, analysis, the Drive show you trust for
the full picture. Heather du Pusy on Drive with One
New Zealand. Let's get connected.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
News Talks at BE Afternoon.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
More than thirty six thousand nurses are going on strike
for twenty four hours from nine tomorrow morning. Hospitals are
still going to be opened, but an estimated four three
hundred planned procedures and specialist appointments will have to be postponed.
Dame Helen Stokes Lampard is the acting Chief Clinical Officer
at Health New Zealand. Afternoon, Helen, good afternoon. Okay, if
someone is sick tomorrow or injured, should they still go

(33:56):
to hospital?

Speaker 18 (33:58):
Absolutely?

Speaker 7 (33:58):
Yes.

Speaker 18 (33:59):
Health New Zealand And is committed to looking after our
most vulnerable patients and ensuring people are safe throughout this
really difficult time. However, people who will require non emergency care,
we would ask them to contact their GP first or
to call Healthline. That's eight hundred and six eleven eleven
six in the first instance, because we do need to
prioritize our emergency department for the true emergencies. If you're

(34:22):
frightened and you're not insured, do seek help, but just
be prepared that if it's not an emergency, care is
likely to be slower in our eds, which are already
incredibly busy at this time of year.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
Yeah, how many how many nurses do you imagine you
would have, like out of a full roster tomorrow during
this twenty four hours.

Speaker 18 (34:38):
Well, we'll be running at a very light level of nursing,
the sort of cave you'd expect on a bank holiday
like Christmas Day. So the minimum to provide safe care,
that's what we aim to do. Life preserving services is
how we define the care that's provided. And then those
who want to go on strike otherwise are free to
do so. But that does mean everybody else pulling together

(34:58):
to provide the cover to ensure the safe service, and
so everything else has to be deprioritized at that time.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
How far apart are you guys with the nurses paywise.

Speaker 18 (35:08):
Well, obviously we're disappointed that industrial action is going ahead,
and we were very keen that they know our offer
to the unions. We believe is fair, and what we
want to do is encourage the unions to focus their
efforts on the bargaining so that any outstanding issues can
be resolved. We honestly don't know right now. I would
like to think that everyone is keen to see a
resolution as soon as possible.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
I mean, to be fair, what you're offering actually doesn't
seem that unreasonable. So how much more are they asking?

Speaker 18 (35:36):
Well, I'm not privy to the details of those. You'd
have to ask one of my colleagues, but my understanding
is that a lot of the concerns are about safe staffing,
and of course all of us are health New Zealand
are absolutely committed to self staffing.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
Are you saying are you saying it's not so much
about pay, it's about staffing levels.

Speaker 18 (35:51):
Starping levels are one of the issues they're talking about,
and for us, safe staffing is all about the mix
of skills that we have, the way we provide care,
strongly called judgment and sort of thoughtful decision making from
everybody on the frontline.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
So can I just get your tech on something? So
one of the complaints from the Nurses organization has been
that recently in christ ju there were such a shortage
of healthcare workers that family and friends were asked to
come in and look after people who were in hospital.
Is is that acceptable?

Speaker 18 (36:18):
It shouldn't have to happen that this is the case,
but there have been situations that are undesirable. What we
want is for people to be working within their right scope.
So that's healthcare professionals doing what healthcare professionals do. Clearly,
if family and friends want to help out, well that's different.
But it shouldn't be that in Health New Zealand that
we need the help of family and friends to run

(36:39):
a service.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
Helen, thank you so much, Dame Helen Stokes Lampard, Acting
Health New Zealand Chief Clinical.

Speaker 4 (36:44):
Officer Heather Duper see Ellen very.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
Sad news todayut of the passing of a huge New
Zealand icon. Sir Michael Hill now Sir Michael opened his
first jewelry store in nineteen seventy nine. He set himself
a goal of opening seven stores and seven years and
today there are more than three hundred stores across Australia
and New Zealand and Canada. Rob Fife is the chair
of Michael Hill Hey Rob Hey, Heather rob Very very
sad Dave for you guys. Obviously he was quite remarkable

(37:09):
when you think about it, wasn't.

Speaker 19 (37:10):
He He was incredibly sad. I feel it's left a
messive hole in my life. And I know, you know,
there's many people. I mean, he's a dedicated family man,
and you know, the family of doing it really really
tough at the moment. But he was a truly unique human.

(37:32):
You know, he opened his first store, as you mentioned,
you know, when he was forty, so he reinvented himself
as an entrepreneur when many people are already kind of
at the peak of whatever career they're in, and he
hit it off in this direction.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
But it's so.

Speaker 19 (37:50):
Driven, yet's so creative. And I think, you know, my
wife Sarah summed it up. She's saying to me yesterday.
You know, he was always a student. He never never
stopped learning. And I look at him around the board
table at Michael Hill. He was always the most open minded,

(38:13):
the one that was the most curious around new ideas.
He never had that mindset of I've done it all,
I've kind of I know all the answers. He's always
looking for new ideas. Truly truly inspiring human.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Does his absence change the way that the company will run,
all the direction that the company will take.

Speaker 19 (38:35):
No, not at all. In fact, kind of quite the opposite.
In many ways, he touched so many of the three
thousand odd people we have at Michael Hill truly feel
like that part of his extended family. And I think
the motivation to do justice to his legacy and what

(38:57):
he stood for in his vision for jewelry. I mean,
when Michael started, I remember my parents. You know, jewelry
was something that mum had a pair of ear rings
and maybe a necklace and a wedding ring and an
engagement ring, and you know that that was kind of it.
And he brought jewelry and made it accessible to everyday

(39:19):
people and you know, he changed, he changed what jewelry
meant for so many people in New Zealand and then
Australia and then Canada. And he had a vision that
no one had back in those days. It's remarkable what
he's achieved. And that's you know, what he's achieved with
the violin competition, what he achieved with his golf course.

(39:42):
I mean, whatever he turned his mind to, he bought
a vision, a creativity, a sense of aesthetic and design.

Speaker 4 (39:50):
Well.

Speaker 19 (39:51):
And he touched so many people in his books. You know,
I'm getting messages from people I don't know saying that
you know, they read Michael's book and that inspired there
direction in life and so on. It's a phenomenal, phenomenal meme.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
Rob, thank you for having a chat to us. Go
while getting home for the funeral. That's Rob Fife, Michael
Hill's chair. We'll have a chat to the union very
shortly about the director's fees going up. Wild Rugby has
just come up. You will have caught up by now
that one of the most controversial things that happened in
sport over the weekend was obviously the clear out of
the ruck with the Australia game in the British and

(40:25):
Irish Lions game right Wild and Joe Schmitt, who's obviously
the coach of Australia, has been just nutting off about it.
He's very, very unhappy about the situation. Wild Rugby has
come out they back the reef in this call. They
are going to have an investigation into, like they do,
a review of why the ref made the call that
they made. And actually, frankly, I'm fascinated by this because

(40:46):
this feels like this feels to me like a common
sense call, because you would have expected that the reef
in this case would have send clear head knock and
be like you're in trouble even if you didn't mean it.
But actually this time they didn't do that. So I
want to understand why the refs. I this is a
decision I would celebrate anyway. They're going to do the review.
They're going to communicate that to the coaches, but they're
not going to tell us, which I think is a
real pretty But anyway, it is what it is. Also,

(41:10):
Joe might have gotten trouble for mouthing off the way
he did, but he is not going to get any
disciplinary charges. Apparently unlikely. They're saying quarter past five. Do
you know what I've been noticing a lot of lately.
It's the BYD shark six. I see these things. This
is the ute, by the way. I see them everywhere.
I saw a white one heading up the road near work.
The other day I saw a gray one parked outside
the pharmacy. There was another one parked underneath underneath the

(41:32):
work in the basement car park. They look cool a
If you haven't seen one, you need to hunt one
out and have a look at it. They look really
cool and if you want one, you've got two more
days to get them before that five thousand dollars your
way off of ends. And you've heard me talking about this.
You get five thousand bucks if you buy one before
the end of July. Can spend it however you want.
You can soup the thing up with cool accessories, you
can put it towards the on road cost, you put

(41:53):
it towards the retail whatever. You can use it however
you want in relation to the vehicle. But it ends
thirty one. And the reason the reason I am seeing
so many of these vehicles is because so many people
have taken BYD up on the sofa and also because
it was the third best selling ut in the country
last month. Also, here's a bit of extra info. You
can lease one with a BYD Green lease from as

(42:15):
little as one hundred and seventy nine dollars a week
based on a five year term with up to fifteen
thousand k's a year. But again, you've only got two
days for that office. So go to your local BYD
dealer to check out the Sharks six.

Speaker 4 (42:26):
Ut Keller do for ce Allen.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Hither the Aussie wallerby actually threw a late Hollywood. He
threw his arms in the air, just a little bit
too late year. I'd agree with that a little bit, Murray, actually,
just I'd a little bit agree with that. Nineteen past five.
Now the government is coppying a bit of heat a
for hiking the pay of the Public Service Board. Member's
cabinet agreed on Monday they would do it. They were
going to increase the maximum fee by eighty percent, so
the heads of the board can now receive a maximum

(42:51):
of one hundred and sixty two thousand dollars a year,
up from the ninety k they previously got. Now, Flit
Fliffit Simons is the National Secretary for the Public Service
Associate and with us, Hey, flur hello, you don't like this.

Speaker 20 (43:05):
Look the hypocrisy in this is palpable. This is the
same government that increased the minimum wage by a mere
fifty thirty five cents. It is the same government that
canceled pay equity claims, including for low income women like
care and support workers, many of whom are now back
on the minimum wage. They also banned those same women

(43:25):
from raising pay equity claims tomorrow. We've got thousands of
nurses going on strike because they're worried about safe staffing levels.
It's astonishing from a government that was elected on addressing
the cost of living crisis, and it seems for low
income workers and middle income workers, this government is nowhere
to be seen.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
I get your points, and I think some of them
are fair, Flurt. But in terms of in terms of
actually getting excellence, you've got to pay for excellence if
you want it on a board, right, So do you
do you object to this idea in and of itself?

Speaker 4 (43:56):
No?

Speaker 20 (43:56):
Look, and I think it's very telling that you've got
Judith Collins coming out and look, we've got to pay
a decent amount to attract people into these roles. While
the same applies to our health system. We've got workforce
shortages all over the health system. Our members are telling
us that rosters are unfilled. There's an effect of hiring freeze.
It's a big argument within a hospital to get roles replaced.

(44:18):
So the government should take its own advice and apply
it to when New Zealanders want it to be applied,
which is in our health system which is crying out
for more staff.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
Flur thank you for your time. Flur Simon's PSA National
secretary almost forgot I need the might listen to that.
That's a piece of paper with the story of the
day written on it. Wait for this five.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
One informed inside into today's issues. It's Heather duplicy Eland
Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected news dogs.

Speaker 4 (44:52):
There'd be.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
Twenty four past five. You know what surprises me is
how every time we talk about stupid health and safety
things on this show, like sk folding when a ladder
would do in too many rogue cones and stuff, there
are people who actually pipe up to defend that. But
surely there is no one who is going to defend
the rules that we now find out exist about kids
helping out their parents on a farm. It turns out,
if the ministers be to be believed on this, kids

(45:17):
fourteen and under on farms are not allowed to collect
eggs or feed small animals or water plants if the
farm sells those goods because the Health and Safety at
work Open Brackets General Risk and Manage Workplace Management Closed
Brackets Regulations twenty sixteen bans it. Now, isn't this the

(45:37):
best example that you have come across yet of how
stupid health and safety rules are. So I can ask
my kids under fourteen to go out and water the
plants because it's a residential home. My brother can ask
his kids under fourteen to go out and water the
plants because even though he lives on a farm, he
doesn't sell anything from the farm. But his neighbour cannot
go out and ask his kids under fourteen to water

(45:58):
the plants because he does sell stuff from his farm.
My brother's kids can go and collect the eggs because
they don't sell the eggs. They just give them away
to family, But the neighbors kids can't collect the eggs
because they do sell the eggs. That's stupid, isn't it.
Kids on farms can't help their parents with chores like
feeding animals, but my kids can help me with chores
like unpacking the dishwasher. What's the difference. I mean, sure,

(46:18):
it's noble to want to keep kids safe, and I
do too, But actually, where are kids safest if not
kicking around and learning from good parents. These rules are
the opposite of what humans have been doing for eons.
For eons, parents have been teaching kids life lessons, how
to do basic life stuff by showing them how. From
a young age and for eons kids have learned to
help their parents around the house or the farm or

(46:39):
whatever because it's good for them. Not only are these
rules not common sense, they are actually the opposite of
good parenting.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
That sounds like a stupid rule, Heather duple Cy Ellen
absolutely does.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
I would have given about five of those ones for that.
Oh here the looking at your prescription issue on a
glass half full basis, at least you now have hemorrhoid
cream for just in case. Do you know what I
gave good from you Greek to think like this, because
waste not what not? So when I got the if
you haven't caught up on this, it was miss It
was misprescribed to the baby for Xma. I gave I
know a very vain woman. She's a beautiful woman, but

(47:15):
she's vain. So I said to her, Hey, here's some
hemorrhoid cream. Somebody told me that you can use it
for the bags under your eyes if you cry. And
you would like if you've been crying, you had a
hard night, so whatever, and you want to look okay
the next day. She just put a little bit. Don't
do too much. That's what I got told I'm not
a doctor, don't follow this advice. And she took it.
So there you go. It's not being wasted. Here's the

(47:37):
story of the day is This was in the telegraph.
I'm not making this up. This is I'm going to
give you word for word. A toddler in India bit
of venomous cobra so hard that he killed it. Two
year old Gavinda Kumar was playing in his home in Bankatwa,
a village in the eastern Indian state of Biha, when

(47:58):
he spotted the three foot long snake and grabbed it.
The cobra lunged at the child and coiled itself around
his tiny hands during the incident on Friday, but instead
of screaming, Govinda put the snake's head in his mouth
and clinched his jaw. He quickly lost consciousness after ingesting
some of the deadly venom, but was treated in hospital
and has since been discharged. But the snake died on

(48:19):
the spot. How good is that? That's what you need.
That's right, that's what that is. That's what being a
parent of a toddler's like. He killed a snake with
his jaws measure what it's like when they bite you.
News this next.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
On the iHeart app and in your car on your
drive home, it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New
Zealand let's get connected.

Speaker 4 (48:49):
Youth talk said, been.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
Okay, following this thing with the banks. This I've been
following this thing with the banksaus. I'm fascinated by where
the Government's going to go with this. This is the
case of the government changing the law to stop Kiwi's
taking class action against two of the Vigazzi banks. It
seems like what may have spooked the government with some
advice on how big the bill was going to be,
which seems like la la land stuff. Anyway, We're going

(49:18):
to talk to one of the lawyers, Rachel read Casey
with us after six and the huddle standing by as
well to have a chat to us. Now at the moment,
it's twenty four away from six. Ordrong Automatic has been
ordered to pay a foster family one hundred and eight
thousand dollars. Now, this is the case of Molwana where
OT tried to remove the girl because she's Mardi and
the foster parents are Pakiha. The money the order of

(49:41):
the costs covers the legal bills that the foster family
racked up trying to keep the girl in their care.
The judge who ordered this called Auto Automatiki's behavior egregious.
Karen Chaw as the Minister for Children.

Speaker 6 (49:50):
Hey, Karen, Hi, how's it going.

Speaker 3 (49:53):
I'm very well thy. This is a disgrace. A This
case is a disgrace from start to finish, isn't it?

Speaker 6 (49:59):
Yes, I absolutely agree, and this case really highlights why
I thought so hard to repeal section seven AA of
the Auto Automitici Act, because this just shows what that
meant in practice. It's absolutely devastating for everybody involved. And
I've made it very clear to autong Atomitici that this

(50:21):
is unacceptable and it is not to happen again.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
Do you think that people who gave you a hard
time in Parliament about wanting to repeal that seven AA
the treaty principle have no idea what happened to Mwana
and her family because of it?

Speaker 6 (50:36):
Yes, I do. And so this makes it very clear
to everybody what it meant in practice, and that one
hundred and eight thousand dollars is the cost of the
idealistic approach of the previous government where this by Maori
for Maori approach and Farno first at all costs actually
means in practice, it doesn't mean the safety and the

(50:58):
wellbeing of the young person, and it doesn't mean prioritizing
making sure that that young person is loved and cared for.
It meant prioritizing kinship over every other consideration and that's
just unacceptable. Safety and well being should come first. And
this is just another case that highlights that.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
Karen is anybody in ot going to lose their job
over this.

Speaker 6 (51:23):
Look, the operational side I can't have control over, but
what I do have control over is changing the culture
with an auto automotic and an organization is only as
strong as their leadership, and leadership needs to set that
direction that we're no longer taking that approach it cannot happen,

(51:43):
and that the safety and the wellbeing of young people
is first and foremost.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
Okay, Also treat our caregivers with respect.

Speaker 6 (51:51):
That's the other issue. Our keygivers are so important and
they need to be valued. Autotomidickey would not function without
these wonderful people that put their hands up every day
to give our young people a safe environment. Because why
I've set there as a KPI for our chief executives.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Could not agree with you more. Who is the CEEDOT now?

Speaker 6 (52:13):
So we have we have an acting chief Executive currently
whilst we're looking for the chief.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
Have you talked to this person about whether they think
that this was the right use of time and resources
or is that something that you're going to deal with
once you've got the new one in.

Speaker 6 (52:30):
So the new Chief Executive will have the direction of
safety well being first, and I have had many conversations
with the acting Chief Executive around the direction of audo Automatik.
We're on the same page and we're making sure that
that message is loud and clear.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
All right, Karen, Thanks very much. Karen s your Minister
for Children. Twenty one away from six.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
The huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty Unique Homes
uniquely for you.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Com the huddle with me this evening. We have Jordan
Williams of the Taxpayers Union and Renny CTU economist High Lads,
High Team.

Speaker 21 (53:04):
Jordan.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
Did you know Sir Michael Hill.

Speaker 22 (53:07):
No, I didn't. I'd briefly met him at the Hills
Golf Club, but that was the extent of it.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
Yeah, inspiration the way.

Speaker 22 (53:13):
Oh amazing, absolutely amazing.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
Do you do the same thing he does? Visualize your goals?

Speaker 22 (53:18):
I did have a I have a Yeah, I have goals.
I don't know about that. Sit down and visualize them everywhere.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
How often do you like, how far out have you
written your goals? H?

Speaker 4 (53:28):
Well, it changes you.

Speaker 22 (53:29):
See when you have kids, they get totally they get
totally rewritten and you operate. I operated on about a
five year rise.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
On you know, he was doing thirty years. That's impressive
eight years.

Speaker 22 (53:40):
I turned forty next year and listening I heard the
Rob five interview when I was driving up here, and
it is quite an effort to reinvent yourself at forty totally.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
I mean, isn't that that is one of the more
remarkable things about him, isn't it, Craig, that at forty
years old he decides, right, I'm finished with being a manager.
I'm going to sit up my own business. And then
look where he ended up.

Speaker 21 (54:03):
Well, I think it's clearly a testament to his iron
will and as you say his you know, his desire
to change his life. If he was forecasting his life
thirty years from now, there are plenty of economists who
have terrible track records that guessing what happens next week
and I know what happens thirty years from now. I
guess for me a bit like Jordan, I have a
six year old at home, so just getting through the

(54:24):
next day is pretty much, you know, my goal right now.
But in terms of some Michael, you know, he clearly
has an envyable track record and he's someone you know
who will in the business community will certainly be missed.

Speaker 22 (54:38):
He kind of Oh, sorry, Jordan's I want to know
what Craig's five year GOLs?

Speaker 3 (54:42):
What's your five year gold? Craig? Is it to be
for the labor.

Speaker 21 (54:45):
Part to say, ah, my my five year goal fant
is to still still be working and to have not
disgraced yourself in the meantime?

Speaker 3 (54:55):
Minister, what's your five year gold? Jordan Humble National Party
MP for Tarmaki.

Speaker 4 (55:07):
It's taken.

Speaker 8 (55:08):
Have you been talking to the other half?

Speaker 3 (55:10):
My other half?

Speaker 22 (55:11):
No, my other half. That's what I can only stand
in if I if I do.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
I've heard I've heard whispers there were we're traced it
back to the source. Have we lost the plot? Craig?
If we think that kids who are on working farms,
can't collect the eggs.

Speaker 21 (55:28):
It depends upon what you mean by a working farm.
There's all that, there's so many variables here that you know,
sort of really simple statements and really kind of naive
views of what it means to work on the farm.
You know, it really isn't helpful where New Zealand is
a country that has giant health and safety problems, where
it were a country that kills seventeen workers a week

(55:50):
as a consequence of their work. We have no minimum
age of work in New Zealand And, like most of
the other countries around the world. So at first blush
it may look like we've lost the plot. But actually
there are probably good reasons why we have these regulations.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
Could they possibly be okay? So let's say, let's say
we'll go natso on this. It's a gigantic poultry farm
full of of like gigantic chicken sheds, and and Johnny
is ten years old and Dad's has come with me. Johnny,
let's go and Callick digs, Right, Johnny is not allowed
to do that? Why not?

Speaker 21 (56:25):
He's with us dead machinery and chemicals, animals, biosecurity.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
Toaster and I've got chemicals under the laundry sink. They're
called like, I just feel like and.

Speaker 21 (56:42):
You're not actively encouraging your child to engage with them,
I imagine.

Speaker 11 (56:46):
No.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
But if the parents there, shouldn't they be okay?

Speaker 21 (56:49):
No, because the parent, the parent, the parent may get
there's a reason why we do this, and it may
well be a first blush that you think will this
is a really crazy reason why. But we we have,
we have, we have, we have a terrible house and
safety record in this country, and we actually need to
get better at it. Polking small halls and things. Fine,

(57:12):
but it's not actually going to shift the needle of this.

Speaker 22 (57:16):
I don't Did you grab on a farm, Craig.

Speaker 4 (57:19):
No, God, no, hotel, hall Field, the the.

Speaker 22 (57:24):
I mean, the sad reality is kids on on quad
bikes on farms. There are a lot of tragic accidents.
I'm not convinced collecting eggs from the from the chicken
coop is causing kids to fall over with a compiler vector.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
Yeah, I tend to agree with you. What do we
have any rules children around kids on quad bikes?

Speaker 22 (57:43):
I don't know, but they're probably why they ignored and
that's probably okay. Yea, that is part of And this
is what the point farmers often make is it's not
just the job, it's actually a lifestyle. And I saw
this around firearms that you get townies that think it
is absolutely crazy you have kids with firearms, But that

(58:06):
is part of peace controllers.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
When did you learn to shoot?

Speaker 22 (58:11):
I would have been, would have been certainly before I
was a teenager.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
I learned. Did you want to hear my story? Do
you want to hear my story? Craig, it's a good yarn.

Speaker 23 (58:19):
No, no, it's not.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
No, no, no, no, it's not. I learned to shoot when
I was I Reckon, twelve years old. My dad taught
me to shoot rabbits. And the farm that I learned
to shoot on was the farm of Jenny Clark, mother
of Kenyan Clark of Duval fame, because my dad and
Jenny were partners. Is that a good Yan or what?

(58:41):
He's basically my stepbrother? Okay, it's amazing. Has it got
that awkward? Has it got that awkward that we're not
saying anything? Well, go to it.

Speaker 22 (58:51):
We're all picturing Heather. It was allum with a firearm
and slightly concerned. We're all your producers.

Speaker 21 (58:58):
Not.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
They're all absorbing this, aren't we. We thought I was
the black sheep of the family, but actually not at all.
Let's take a break quarters of.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Six the Huddle with New Zealand Southeast International Realty, the
ones for unmasked results.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
Right, you're back with the huddle, Craig Rennie and Jordan Williams. Jordan,
why don't you just admit why you didn't react at
all to what I told you?

Speaker 22 (59:18):
Because immediately I thought you were talking about.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
Some you didn't know.

Speaker 22 (59:22):
I know that, of course anywhow they were now because
I've been following it in the business media. But I
actually thought it was someone. I actually thought it was
someone cool and like popular culture, and I think Craig
and I was sitting there thinking we feel we should know, yes,
whereas I mean washed that property developers that.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
Washed up as a kind as a kind describing word.
Right now, Hey, Craig, what do you reckon we do
about I've come this is apropos that the kid being
given the wrong you know, the phosphate at the adult level.
I've come to the conclusion that what you need to
do is except that the pharmacists and the doctors and
everybody's going to make mistakes from time to time because
they're humans, and you just need to check it yourself.
What do you think.

Speaker 21 (01:00:03):
I think it's a really difficult. I'm an economist rather
than a pharmacist by trade, and the advice that I've
received when I've spoken to doctors and medical professionals and
workers in this area is that your prescriptions vary wildly.
So you know, the prescriptions for some infant medications take
up to two hours to prescribe because you have to

(01:00:24):
know the weight of the child, you have to know
the dosage, you have to know a range of other factors.
I think in those sorts of situations, it's absolutely fair
to have more than one pharmacist check whether or not
that's you know, it's it's being delivered, and we should
be able to trust, you know, when a pharmacist hands us,
you know, drugs with some clear instructions on that this

(01:00:47):
is what you're supposed to do, and you know and
you take them in that fashion. This is clearly an
individual tragedy. There's going to be a lot of you know,
investigations and hopefully, you know, we'll learn something out of
this terrible tragedy. But we've you know, it seems to
be a case in which if we'd had more chemists

(01:01:07):
or more pharmacists, and we have a real shortage of
pharmacists and New Zealand in comparison to the rest of
the world. You know, this is something that might have
been able to have been avoided.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
What do you think, Jordan, your partners a specialized child nurse.

Speaker 22 (01:01:20):
Isn't she Yeah, her opinion on that piece was a
little bit different. Is that there's a degree of blame
perhaps with the Pickoo as well, for not properly showing
the parents the right dose, because, as she was describing
this particular medicine, it looks like a baraka. It looks
at the parents and being told, you know you or
just put the whole thing in the bottle, rather than
dissolving it and then figuring out precisely how much and all.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
That so you don't give all of it at once
to the baby. You take some.

Speaker 22 (01:01:45):
Yeah, I don't know, but it is. It is absolutely tragic.
I think that you know, this is just a place
of called medical misadventure, medical mistake. It's just so trade
trick reading that story that it's you, it's your precious child, don't.

Speaker 19 (01:02:04):
You do this?

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
You do this children? You get a bottle of Pammel, right,
and it says give give baby mackay five mills of panel.
And then this is what the doctors decided based on
a wait and stuff. I know, wait eight point six kges.
I look on the side. I go, oh, yep, no,
he's got that right. It matches up with what it
says on the side of the bottle. Do you not
do that?

Speaker 8 (01:02:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:02:20):
I do.

Speaker 22 (01:02:21):
And of course I'm giving very clear instructions from the
other half on on all of this stuff. And yeah,
I mean you mentioned earlier check GBT. I've been finding
a lot more on anything medical. You're running it through
check GBT and asking for advice. And I think that
that something like this will certainly be There'll be parents
out there like like me who looked at that and thought,

(01:02:43):
I knever want to be in that situation. Just take
his heartbreaking.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
It totally is guys, Thank you so much, appreciate it.
Craig REHENNYE Jordan Williams are huddle this evening. It's eight
away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
It's the Heather Dupless Allen Drive Full Show podcast on
my Heart Radio powered by news talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
I'm with you farm raised in peasant of pheasant shooting
at nine deers talking at fourteen. The gun haters often
have never lifted a gun, but typically want to tell
the rest of us how to live. Cheers. Oh that's
Craig Jepson, the mayor. Thanks Craig, Heather. Interesting call during
Kerry's program earlier today, a farm fencing contractor called to
tell a story. He said that he was at a

(01:03:19):
farm and he told the farmer, who was the father
of a couple of kids approximately six to eight years old,
driving around on a farm quad bike, and he told
them off. The farmer didn't like it, didn't engage him anymore.
Some year or two later, the same kid sadly had
a major spill and both died. Now, look, I want
to say that I think that this is slightly different.
I don't know, are there actually rules around quad bikes
and kids riding quad bikes, because I don't think at

(01:03:42):
all that riding a quad bike is the same as
going to get going to get eggs out of the
chicken coop or watering the plants. Do you like I
think all of us look at I mean, do you
do this? I do this. I look at a farmer
on a quad bike and I know some who don't
have roll bars and stuff like that. I think you're
an idiot, Like how many times do we need and

(01:04:02):
especially when they've got slope land and then they're sitting
on the thing, I'm like, you just are a fool.
You're just an absolute idiot. And we've talked about it enough.
It's not the same as sending the kids out with
the hose to water the gardens. Like I water the gardens.
You water the gardens. We watering the gardens since we're
five years old, and my children can water the gardens
of my house, right. It's not that it's the same
on a farm anyway. I think the quad bike thing

(01:04:24):
is slightly different. But I don't know if we have
rules around it bath that's all. I don't like a ban.
I don't like a ban, and I don't like a rule.
But I feel like I'm getting very close to being
okay with saying quad bikes are not allowed unless they've
got those little roll barthings on them. Now listen on
another subject altogether. There was headline and Stuff today and
the headline was why does New Zealand love Edge Sheeran

(01:04:47):
so much.

Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
And the reason they.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
Asked that question was because he's put on another christ
Church show. So he's got five shows on his New
Zealand tour now, two in Auckland, two in christ Church,
are one in Wellington. And I liked that headline very
much because I thought, why does New Zealand love Ed
Sheeran so much? What's up with that? I've told you
I belonged to the concert club. But three middle aged
women looking for a razzi night out, you know, like woo,

(01:05:11):
three beers, We're going wild. We go to everything. We've
gone to Dave Dobbyin. We've gone to the checks that
was shite. We've gone to We've gone to that stupid
rapper who was at Eden Park. Oh that was rubbish
as well. We go to rock. We go to like
intense rock with Doodle. We go strings with Doodle when
none of us said let's go to Ed Sheeron because

(01:05:33):
we were all like, oh, that's the lame who wants
to go to d Shearon been there, done that, that
was five minutes ago. I feel like Ed Sheeran did
a gig five minutes ago and I was there and
I don't look I don't want to be a tall
popy on it because I don't have that much money

(01:05:54):
and I don't have all those singles, and no one
comes to see me standing by myself, which is ironic
because I've got a lot of money. You could afford
a ban, but you still want to sound up like
they're like, you're a bus g aren't you? Anyway? I
can't knock him. He's more successful than me. But come on, guys,
he's like Maroon five. Isn't he like a single member
of the Eagles. It's just can we not get excited

(01:06:17):
about somebody cooler than that? Anyway? Good question from stuff.
I don't know the answer. Let's deal with the banks. Next.
I'm in Love with the shape of You.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
We're Business meets Insight Top Business Hour with Heather Duplicy,
Allen and.

Speaker 4 (01:06:35):
Mays for Trust at Home Insurance Solutions. News Talk said be.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
Even in coming up in the next hour. I had
that question about the cock quad bikes. Well fed farmers
might be able to answer it in a minute. Property
investors will talk us through that advice today for us
to get out of investing in property in this country
and end it does the UK for us at seven
past six. So to the ongoing question of why it
is that the government is changing the law to stop
kiwe customers taking class action against two Wozzi banks. It's

(01:07:02):
being speculated that the reason the government's doing that is
because of the size of a potential payout. The government
was told it could be as much as twelve point
nine billion dollars, which seems extraordinary. Rachel read Casey is
one of the lawyers representing the class action plaintiffs, and
with us. Hey, Rachel, hello, how are you tonight?

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
Quick?

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
I'm well, thank you. Twelve point nine is too high?

Speaker 24 (01:07:20):
Right, Oh, it's fantastical. It's not just too high. It
doesn't have any grasp of reality. And there are several
reasons for that. A and Z at this point claims,
in respect of its breaches that only seventeen thousand customers
were affected, and says a claim of three hundred million
against it is too high. But A and Z represents

(01:07:44):
some thirty percent of the market. Now, if they represent
thirty percent of the market and three hundred million is
too high for their breaches, how on earth would you
ever get to twelve point nine billion? Sect or right,
It just doesn't make any sense on that first fundamental
or level.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
Where do you think it actually sits?

Speaker 24 (01:08:02):
Then well, I couldn't tell you where it actually sits,
because we need more information from the banks in relation
to exactly the number of customers affected and exactly the
interest in fees and paid that would need to be
recouped under the current legislative provisions. But there are all

(01:08:23):
sorts of other reasons that this model and this figure
just simply doesn't work. It assumes that the planters win
at every point in the litigation and also ignores the
reality of settlement, and it talks about a sector wide liability.
But these are claims that could have been made any

(01:08:44):
time for breaches from twenty fifteen to twenty nineteen, and
there are statutory limitation periods and respect of these breaches
of either three or six years.

Speaker 7 (01:08:56):
Now.

Speaker 24 (01:08:56):
If they had come to light throughout that time or
not long afterwards, there wouldn't be another claim that would
be in existence that could be pursued. Not only that
it's got to be financially viable to do so against
a smaller lender. And the fact is, none of these
other cases have been taken. This is the only one

(01:09:17):
that's on foot.

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
Okay, So did the Reserve Bank just fail to do
its calculations properly or did they deliberately and artificially inflate
this number.

Speaker 24 (01:09:27):
I wouldn't accuse them of deliberately and artificially inflating them.
I wouldn't do that. What we don't have is any
transparency in relation to their modeling. We can see that
it doesn't make sense, but the relevant parts of the
modeling have been obscured through reductions and Official Information Act responses,
so we can't actually pick behind it. And the difficulty

(01:09:47):
here is that retrospective legislation is extraordinary in itself, and
it's been used here in an extraordinary way to deliberately
target litigation that's been on foot for four years. And
where you've got that extraordinary use of power in an
extraordinary way, it's underlying foundation must be unassailable, and it

(01:10:12):
must be transparent so that someone can contradict it if
it deserves to be contradicted, and we don't have that
at all here, So none of that has occurred.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
How do you rate the chances that Brian Roach actually
gives you what you want? What you want, which is
an investigation here?

Speaker 24 (01:10:27):
Well, I would hope that he would undertake his functions
in a proper manner. And I consider that there is
a foundation for it, which was carefully set out in
a letter to him with the concerns that we have.
So I would hope that he would take that seriously
and do what is right in the circumstances here, because
this is quite an extraordinary position that we found ourselves in.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
It really does seem this way. Hey, Rachel, thank you
very much appreciated. That's Rachel read Casey, the lawyer defending
at least some of the claimants in the triple CFA case.
Hither occasionally excuse me. I was landing a sheep when
I was four, Holy heck, as my dad's hands were
too big. Would that be classed not safe under this
crazy new idea? Absolutely, they would be classed as not safe.
If you can't even pick up a dead well, it's

(01:11:11):
not dead, is it. If you can't even pick up
an inanimate egg, how on earth do you think we're
going to let you stick your bits into lambs and stuff.
I don't I don't know what. I don't actually know
what their mechanics of that was, So I don't know.
I'm going places in my mind. But all I'm saying
is you definitely can't be around live moving things if
we can't trust you near watering the plants, do you
know what I mean? Also, how good is it that

(01:11:32):
you were doing that at four? Like that's some epically
good behavior from you. Your parents were very good at parenting,
obviously didn't go for gentle parenting. Good good, good news
for Wellington. I'm thrilled for Wellington. Thrilled to be able
to tell you that the demolition of the derelict Gordon
Wilson Flats is scheduled for this summer. No faffing about
there like coming down twelve past six.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
It's the Heather Duper Sell and Drive Full Show podcast
on my Heart Radio powered by news dog ZEPPI.

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
Hey, so this has made a bit of news today.
You will have seen this. Jeremy Williamson from Craig's Investment
Partners reckons our love affair with property investing is coming
to an end and we've got to stop doing. We've
got to get out of it. And actually that is
becoming far less attractive. Not so according to the property
investors who will be with us in around about twenty
minutes right now, it's quarter past six.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
The Rural Report with MSD Animal Health home of Rotovec
Corona ends it's leading calf scar as vaccine.

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
Yeah. So, as we've been discussing, the government is having
a look at those over zealous health and safety rules
on farms and one of the things that they're wandering
about is where the farm kids should be allowed to
collect eggs, feed animals, water plants and stuff like that
under health and safety rules. Now Jamie McKay has taken
a well earned break, so in his place we have
David Burke Att, Federated Farmer's Health and Safety spokesperson.

Speaker 9 (01:12:43):
Hey David, yeah, you've a hair game.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
I'm very well, thank you. Do you reckon kids should
be able to go collect the eggs, feed the small animals,
water the plants.

Speaker 8 (01:12:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:12:54):
Look, I think this is sort of blowing up as
to something which is that bigger than what it should
have been.

Speaker 8 (01:13:00):
But you look at it.

Speaker 10 (01:13:01):
It's the one that some farmers have asked questions around,
is where do we draw the line around where the
workplace starts and finishes, because, as you know, for family farms,
at workplaces, quite often the home end of workplace as
well and so there must have been some questions ask
around clarification of the lines where those chores become part
of the workplace and what is chores as part of

(01:13:23):
home life. So some clarification there would be useful. But
you know, it's certainly not a big area that we've
had concerns around.

Speaker 3 (01:13:30):
Farmers are culture. Farmers aren't particularly stressed about these rules
or obeying them by the sounds of things.

Speaker 10 (01:13:36):
Well know, what we're saying there is is other areas.
If you look at the release by the banister, there's
some areas around codes of practice for roles and responsibilities
and machinery, and the are the areas we were seeing
the most harm and damage and deaths. So they are
the areas that we believe we should be targeting to
get the best return on time spent on these areas.

Speaker 3 (01:13:58):
Okay, so is this more about farmers trying to figure
out if the kids can actually ride the machinery or
use the machinery. Is that what it's about?

Speaker 10 (01:14:07):
Yeah, a little bit will be around that as to
you know, what are the ages that are appropriate? But
these ones seem to be around the chores that family
are doing. You know, as you say, like the collecting
of eggs and watering the plants, which really are farm
type operations. You can do that on any lifestyle block
or any local residential dwellings as well. So I think

(01:14:32):
it's it's just some clarification that obviously has come through
and the feedback from the review of the Health and
Safety Act.

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
How about instead of them clarification, David, why don't we
just scrap the dumb rules and write good ones.

Speaker 10 (01:14:45):
Well, this is what the approved Code of Practice, which
is the second part of the Minister's recommendation, is going
to do. So it's going to be rules which is
written by work Safe, but we will be helping them
to make sure that they have a rural leans over
the and making sure that they are a practical.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
So are we, David, So are we accepting that the
existing rules suck and we're going to get some better ones?

Speaker 10 (01:15:07):
Well it looks like that way. These codes a practices
what we will be judged on. So if you're achieving
the codes of Practice, what it says is that we
will be achieving the expectations of work Safe. So at
least we know exactly where the line is drawn on
the sand web.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
Seas have been.

Speaker 10 (01:15:22):
Produced and it makes it a clearer for farmers to
understand their responsibility under health and safety.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
Now, can you tell me, are there any rules around
kiddies being on quad bikes?

Speaker 10 (01:15:32):
Yes, there are rules around ages and there so the
quad bikes is one which is covered under farm vehicles
and that is where we have our worst accidents. You know,
we still continue to lose people who have both experienced
and young people as well. So right across the spectrum,
we've got some working groups which have been working for

(01:15:54):
quite some time now, but we haven't found that ability
to pull those numbers back down, so we would like
to see them. Okay, So that's scenario in which one
of these codes of practices will be focusing on around
farm machinery, good vehicles.

Speaker 3 (01:16:07):
Yeah, cool, all right, David, best of luck with everything
David Burkett Federated Farmers nineteen past.

Speaker 4 (01:16:11):
Six ever do for thee Ellen yet.

Speaker 3 (01:16:14):
So we've been talking a fair bit on the show
today about Michael Hill Jeweler obviously legend in business here
in New Zealand are but also just an inspiration to
the rest of us for what you can do if
you actually set your mind to it. Now a few
years ago we actually made a podcast with Sir Michael
and his daughter Emma Hill where we talked about his
life and his achievements. And you know, one of the
things that you pick up with Sir Michael, as with

(01:16:34):
many many successful people, is they don't always do that
well at school.

Speaker 25 (01:16:38):
Late my mother made me too precious I as an
only child, and she dressed me. You know, my clothes
are basically perfectly on. It was like a little road Fauntleroyd,
and I really didn't fit into the school seam at all.
So naturally I was bullied. But the bully got worse
and worse and worse actually, and it also it took
away my total concentration in class because I was scared.

(01:17:01):
I knew after the class is going to be bullied again.

Speaker 3 (01:17:04):
He was. And this is the thing that surprised me
was he was already twenty three years into his working
life when he decided he wanted to do more than
just work in his uncle's jewelry shop.

Speaker 25 (01:17:11):
And that night I took that visiting card and I
wrote down quickly, I'm going to own my uncle's business,
and if he won't sell, I'm going to start my
own visits. So it's set for the first time, I
set a goal, actually a goal that I genuinely, genuinely
wanted to achieve.

Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
And you know, if you had to say, what's the
one thing you remember about him, isn't it? The ads?

Speaker 26 (01:17:34):
Hello christ Church, Michael Hill Jeweler. It's the last week
of my great annual sale. This diamond eternity ring. Great
buying at three hundred and six dollars now just ninety nine.
Silver charmbracelet was sixty five dollars now twenty nine. Michael
Hill Jeweler.

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
Hey, you remembers coming up with the idea for the ads, But.

Speaker 25 (01:17:50):
I've just bought a property here and I was driving
into town and I just had this idea that we
could do a different advert for its sale that we.

Speaker 27 (01:17:57):
Were coming up, which was Hello, Michael Hill Jeweler, gold
gold silver silver chain chain sell sell gold gold silver
silver chain chain cell cell Michael Hill Jeweler.

Speaker 25 (01:18:13):
That just went crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:18:14):
That advert just went blistic.

Speaker 25 (01:18:17):
In fact, it was so ballistic we had to pull
the adverts off because it was just with jamming the
phones with people either complimenting or complaining about them.

Speaker 3 (01:18:26):
And if we could learn something from Sir Michael what
did he think that was going to be.

Speaker 25 (01:18:30):
A lot of people expect too much too soon. Remember
I took twenty three years to learn what I was
going to do. But work out what you want to
do very simply write it down and review it from
time to time to make sure that you are on
the right track. And you've got to keep going and
keep going, never given. Always push for a bigger dream,

(01:18:52):
a bigger goal, and challenge yourself every day, and that
way you'll have the thrill of really enjoying the thrill
of the chase.

Speaker 3 (01:18:59):
Very good Advice six two.

Speaker 4 (01:19:01):
Everything from SMEs to the big corporates.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
The Business Hour with Heather duf c Ellen and MAS
for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions, News Talks NB.

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
Hey, if you're following what's going on with AI, this
is a reasonably big development. Well, I mean it's like
it's a it's a it's a smallish development on a
big development. So Google has just amped up its AI
in the UK and they already do this in the US.
They also do it in India, and they're now rolling this
out in the UK where you can choose to use
Google as you and I use Google. We don't have
this option. By the way, it's not being rolled out

(01:19:32):
in New Zealand, we've got the stock standard Google. But
in US, India and now in the UK, they've got
an alternative version of Google that they can use, which
is basically just AI. So you and I type in
I don't know. Let's say we want to find out
about the Sydney Sweeney Genes controversy, right, which, by the way,
I'll have to tell you about. Type that into Google.
You get a whole bunch of lists, a whole bunch

(01:19:53):
of links, like, you know, the Herald's Blood, but then
you click on the Herald then you go read it
on the Herald AI's Google's giving you the option to
switch away from that and choose their AI version, where
you type in tell me about the Sydney Sweeney Genes controversy,
the same as you would do with Chat GBT, and
Google will give you instead of what we are used
to all the links and stuff, will just give you
straight chat, just straight AI answer. Now, the reason that

(01:20:16):
this is a big development is because there will be
a whole bunch of websites absolutely crapping themselves over this. Now,
because what happens is you type that and then you
click on the Herald. You're looking at the Herald. There
is advertising for the Herald coming through because you're looking
at the Herald. Now with the new version, you don't
have to look at the Herald, do you. You just
have to read the little conversation that Google AI has

(01:20:36):
given you. So keep an eye on this because out
in the US, out in India, out in the UK
now and coming soon to a brows and year you
undoubtedly twenty six past six.

Speaker 28 (01:20:45):
Heather Doopers the l in some show, there's news.

Speaker 3 (01:20:57):
That is the first trailer for the new Avatar movie
is released the small It's the third installment in James
Cameron's movie franchise about the alien planet of Pandora. The
third installment is called Avatar Fire and Ash. Now, if
you remember the first movie, it was about we met
a race of aliens who lived in the trees, and
in the second one we met a tribe of water aliens.
And now we're being introduced to a clan of evil

(01:21:18):
fire aliens who team up with the human bad guys.
Your goddess.

Speaker 8 (01:21:27):
Has a long dominion.

Speaker 11 (01:21:30):
Are.

Speaker 3 (01:21:32):
Fantasiason at the moment, bigtime. Like the other two, the
new movie was made entirely down in Wellington with the
help of Wetter Digital. Both movies combined have made five
point two billion dollars at the global box office. First
film from two thousand and nine is still the most
successful movie of all time. Avatar, Fire and Ash will
come to theaters on the nineteenth of December, just in
time for Christmas, I know, and in time to save

(01:21:54):
you from misery. That's where fantasy is doing well, because
real life sucks for people at moment.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
Next, if it's to do with money, it matters to you.
The Business Hour with him the Duple C Allen and
Mas for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions news talks would be.

Speaker 11 (01:22:17):
Don't you win the body?

Speaker 3 (01:22:18):
I can do this ally, He'll be there to do
the morning Boss, Deep Dum. Take us a little bit
of an update on the why ants come on?

Speaker 23 (01:22:29):
Everyone else seems sharing again. You were asking in the
office before about his late Bollywood style song.

Speaker 3 (01:22:35):
I wasn't answering about it. I was told about it,
which it was pulled it through up here. You know
what things we could disappear.

Speaker 23 (01:22:43):
I don't know what you think I'm going to end
the show with, So listen, can.

Speaker 3 (01:22:48):
We all just first of all, can we just hone
down the head lord, thank you? And can we all
just admit what he's up to here?

Speaker 1 (01:22:54):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
Because he put out he put and it's all like
filmed in Ndias, all very Bollywood and stuff, because he's
just realized there's a market of consumers right there that
he hasn't catered to before. So he's done that, hasn't it.
And I don't know if you noticed this about Ed,
but it is very clever as a money making machine.
He just does all the stuff, all the different stuff,
so just hats all of the different little markets, gets

(01:23:15):
all of their dollars in and then as a rich guys.
I'm not blaming him for that. I just I'm blaming
it and for playing it at my face. Right then,
quick update for you, Graham Bloxham has pulled out of
the Wellington mayoral rays. If you're like, who's that? He's
the one who dressed up like a banana do you
remember that? And also got in trouble in Mount Vic
Tunnel or something for the terrorist tunnels. I don't know

(01:23:37):
what happened there, but he ended up being arrested briefly anyway,
so that's a loss. Also fantastic news for Netbull just
out about seven minutes ago that Netbull has finally signed
a broadcast deal with TV and Z, which is a
surprise because I was saying to you last week. I
was saying, oh no, now that Sky's partnered up with
bought TV three, that's the end of TV and ZED.

(01:23:58):
No one needs them anymore, do they?

Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
Not so Sophie Malone. And Sophie Maloney was like the
not quite did yet. That's be because she knew about that,
didn't she? Twenty three away from seven.

Speaker 4 (01:24:08):
Together, duplessy La.

Speaker 3 (01:24:10):
Jeremy Williamson from Craig's investment Partner says New Zealand's love
affair with property investing is coming to an end. He
spoke to Matt and Tyler earlier today, and.

Speaker 29 (01:24:18):
I think of you know, when your kids playing past
the parcel and trading and buying and selling investment properties
to each other. Feels if it like that to me,
where you know, you take a twenty dollar notes, you
pass it around the circle, It still comes back as
a twenty dollar note, doesn't it. The love affair we
have with investment property has the same sort of thing
to it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
Jeremy says it's good for the country if investors starts
switching to more productive assets than property. Matt Ball is
the advocacy manager at the Property Investors Federation and with US. Hey, Matt, however,
do you reckon people are getting more savvy with the
shares and starting to switch their money away from property.

Speaker 7 (01:24:54):
I think there's a definitely more choice and people are
more aware of the share option and key we say
that's contributed to that. But I don't think the love
affair with property is over. I think the property market
is changing thanks to some initiatives from the government, and
I think people will start to take a bit of
a different approach. I don't buy this whole property investment
is in the productive activity. I mean, if you buy

(01:25:17):
in trade shares, you're passing twenty bucks around, it's still
twenty bucks in the enda. That's just you're not actually
adding to productivity. Same if you do that with a house.
But if you treat property investing like a business, you
buy it for cash flow. You buy a property that
you can do up and add to. You've made a
better property, You've improved the property sector in New Zealand,
you've made our general housing quality and number go up.

(01:25:41):
That's a productive activity.

Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
So how do you think it's going to change? How
is the approach to property investing changing?

Speaker 7 (01:25:47):
I think this government and actually I don't think I know,
because this government has said very explicitly. Chris Bissit has
said very explicitly he thinks housing is too expensive in
New Zealand, both owner occupied and rental, and his government
is determined to change that. And if you look at
what they're doing, they've probably got at least a dozen
bits of legislation or regulations on the books that are

(01:26:10):
trying to change the housing money.

Speaker 3 (01:26:13):
But then why would I invest? Why would I invest
in property if I know that this government is actively
trying to bring the price down.

Speaker 7 (01:26:19):
Okay, so you're not going to make the easy capital gains.
So if you wake up one day and you go, oh,
I might put some money into a house that looks easy,
then forget it. That's not the sort of investor that's
going to do well in this market. But our members
around the country right now are getting out there and
are hunting down bargains. They are properties that they know
they can add value to, and that's how you can

(01:26:40):
make your money. No, not flipping think some people will. Yeah,
you can do it up and rent it. You can
do it up, rent it and hold it for a period,
which is what most of our members do. You can
make a good business out of that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:55):
Okay, so you reckon. Just being passive is no longer
a solution. So you don't buy a nice rental and
then rented out. You buy a crapo, you do it up,
you rent it out. That's how you make your money
when you add value yourself.

Speaker 7 (01:27:06):
Yeah, and that's always been a core strategy. Just buying
a place that has had all the work done to it,
that's got no potential. Is no upside to that unless
you're in the crazy twenty twenty market when you could
buy something one day and sell it the next week
for a profit. You know those days are gone.

Speaker 4 (01:27:23):
Matt looks for value.

Speaker 7 (01:27:26):
Yeah, sorry, Karen.

Speaker 3 (01:27:27):
On another subject altogether, which is my favorite subject to
discuss with you, which is the healthy home standards. Any
any naughty landlord's been pinned.

Speaker 7 (01:27:36):
It doesn't look like it's not.

Speaker 4 (01:27:40):
More than normal.

Speaker 21 (01:27:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:27:42):
Maybe it is still one of the top three issues
that tenants bring before the tenancy Truvian all day. So
it is out there and penalties are worse.

Speaker 3 (01:27:52):
Yeah, thanks, Matt, appreciate it. Matt Bull, who is the
advocacy manager of the Property Investors Federation. Yet, Matt and
I have had Matt and I have had a little
little bit of cought it or back and forth about
this particular issue because I don't know if you remember,
but the rules, well nobody remembers because no one cares.
The Healthy Home Standards came in on the first of July,
right and like there are I think I calculated that

(01:28:15):
there must be something in the vicinity of potentially as
correct me if I'm wrong, because it's off the top
of my head, but maybe three hundred thousand houses out
there that do not meet the standards, just judging by
like a kind of like a couple of surveys that
you mash together and try to work it out. Numbers
will be woful, like way off. But that's the best
we've got, is that we know that there are tens
of thousands, if not more, houses out there that do
not meet the standards. Anyway, I said, don't bother who cares.

(01:28:38):
We've got to ditch these standards because if you've got
that much, if you've got that many properties in breach
of the standards. It's just too many. You can't possibly
enforce the standards on that to be No, said Matt. No,
it's not that many. No, No, everybody's doing the right thing. No,
I don't worry about it. And then and I was like, well, whatever,
we'll we'll see what happens. And it's like, now they're
gonna get pink.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:28:57):
Well, look twenty eight, twenty nine days in and I
don't know, have you heard about anybody in ping to know?
Because what's the best case scenario is that the Ministry
of Business, Innovation and Employment send some send some property
inspectors down to the you know, the student flats and
Duneda and have a crack around there and see what's
going on. But you know, that's the best case. And
now most people like, ah, whatever, I don't care anyway, listen,

(01:29:19):
I've got to tell you about I said, I do a.
I do a. It's just a dumb rule, isn't it. Anyway,
I said, I do a review on the book that
I'm reading. I have finished it. And I'm telling you
this now because I've already texted the author and I
sent her a message and I said, it's a gripping book.
It's a gripping book. This is Rachel Paris, the spouse
of Jason Paris, the CEO of One New Zealand formerly

(01:29:41):
known as Vodafone. So I'm telling you this not because
because I really want you to know, Like I'm trying
to make this as interesting for you so that you
go out and buy this book, like you'd be like, oh,
this is the wife. This is why I'm telling you is
all these small world connections. Anyway, She's not a trophy wife.
As I told you before, incredibly bright woman wrote, wrote
a banger of a book. First chapter. I pulled my

(01:30:02):
back because I was that stressed out about what was
going on. I finished the book last night, and against
my better judgment, I could not put it. I could not.
I could not put it down, and I had to
read the last two chapters to find out what happened.
There was some I saw one of the twists coming,
I didn't see the other twist coming, and it was
I should have listened to my I should have listened
to my better judgment, which said, don't read the last
two chapters. Put the book down, because then I couldn't

(01:30:25):
sleep could I because it was so stressful the book
and so exciting that I stayed up until two o'clock, well,
no until midnight when the baby woke me up, and
then she kept me away till two. So that happened
on account of the book. But if you don't have
a baby in your life, you should probably read See
How They Fall at Night by Rachel Paris. If you
do have a baby in your life, maybe read it

(01:30:46):
during during the day so that you don't have the
same experience that I do. It's for a first book,
it's amazing. And now what I'm going to do is
I'm going to read another book by another CEO spouse,
and this time the book is by the boy spouse.
It's by Will as in Will Maloney as in Sophie
of Sky TV's husband. So we'll see. Is his book

(01:31:07):
any good? Sixteen away from seven?

Speaker 4 (01:31:09):
Encroaching the numbers and getting the results? It's hither too.

Speaker 1 (01:31:12):
For Sea Ellen, with the Business Hour and mes for
Trusted Home Insurance Solutions, News Talk said, be oh.

Speaker 3 (01:31:19):
Yeah, I have to. I mustn't forget to tell you
about the Sydney Sweeney blowback on the jeans And it's
thirteen away from seven though. Right now in the Brady
are UK corresponders with us.

Speaker 30 (01:31:28):
Hey, Inda, Hey Heather, great to speak to you again.

Speaker 3 (01:31:31):
Why do you reckon Trump made Starma look like a visitor.

Speaker 30 (01:31:35):
Well, it was just the optics of everything, really, you
know the fact that it was a Trump's golf course
in the ballroom, and this is the British Prime Minister
on British soil, and yet everything was led by the
American president. So I guess anyone who thought it was
going to be in any way different, you know, more
fool them. So Trump basically led the way, offered loads

(01:31:58):
of opinions, did not stop. Tall weighed in on absolutely everything.
So we have a lot of wind energy in the UK,
wind farms, and he referred to them as wind mills.
He doesn't like them because he can see them from
one of his golf courses. And then he weighed in
on the Mayor of London, who is labor through and
through Sadik Khan. He described them as a terrible person

(01:32:19):
doing a terrible job. And Starmer's sitting there for a
few seconds and thinking, and he said, I need to
say something here, and all Starmer could come out with
was well, actually he's a friend of mine. And Trump
just kept going on and he's even offered some advice
about how to win the next election and see off
Nigel Farajan reform, so apparently cut taxes and stop the

(01:32:39):
boats and that's pretty much what needs to happen in
the next four years. So he got that right Trump.

Speaker 3 (01:32:45):
So, I mean, it is kind of awkward though, isn't
it that Kostamer went all the way to Scotland to
visit Trump and then he misses out on the victory
parade that's happening back in London.

Speaker 30 (01:32:54):
Yes, so the Lioness says, this is the England women's
football team. They have made his story. They have retained
their European Championship title. They beat the World champions spound
the other night in Switzerland on penalties, and they made
history because no England team has ever at senior level
won a tournament on foreign soil. The men won the
World Cup in sixty six and the last time the

(01:33:16):
women won the Euros four years ago that was at Wembley.
So they've made history. They were invited to Downing Street
last night, and you go to Downing Street you want
to meet the Prime minister. The Deputy Prime Minister Angela
Reiner was there because mister Starmer was too busy with
President Trump.

Speaker 3 (01:33:33):
Awkward and okay, what do you make of this fringe
town wanting to find the people.

Speaker 30 (01:33:40):
Shirtless men and bikini clad women who go into supermarkets.
I agree wholeheartedly with the mayor of sab Lesable. Delon
is a beautiful little resort in the west of France.
It's on the sea side, and the mayor points out
if you want to go topless as a man, shirtless,
if you want to be in a bikini as a woman,
we've got nine kilometers of beach, go down there. They

(01:34:03):
say it's unhygienic having people shirtless and bikini class market.
Fo No, And you know what, I'm gonna sound like
an awful snob here, Heather, I completely agree with the mayor.
If you're on holidays, you don't want to see beer
bellies as you're stucking up on your.

Speaker 3 (01:34:20):
Narves and the only thing you can look at. I mean,
some of them have got bodies like like, I don't
know a kindle and that's not a beat. And also,
come on, get back to me on that. Yeah, well,
what about if they're down at the beach and they're
having a great time. Like, geez, I'm really thirsty. I'm
just going to nip into that supermarket and get myself
a bottle of water. But I didn't bring my top
with But it's like, I'm just gonna nip in. You

(01:34:40):
really don't want that.

Speaker 30 (01:34:42):
You're getting a two hundred dollars fine in this town
if you do this from now on. They've had enough.
The only thing I'm not this sounds very stereotypical. The
only thing I'm not surprised about is that the French
haven't managed to go and strike about this, but the
mayor has. The mayor has had enough. He's spoken out
and look he you know, these are politically elected people.
So the people of the town have clearly had enough

(01:35:03):
of tourists wearing very little wandering around their supermarkets. So
hence he's brought in this policy. I say take my
top off to him.

Speaker 3 (01:35:12):
Yah, good on your end to look after yourself. Thanks mate.
We're talking a couple of days in the Brady, UK corresponding,
I'll give you my theory on this, Okay. My theory
on this is that they don't have a beach culture.
They don't have a I mean, I don't know if
you've been to a French beach, but it's not flash
and obviously this just don't even go anywhere near Indo's
beaches in the UK. That's just rubbish. It's not even
worth talking about. They don't have a beach culture. You

(01:35:33):
have a beach culture places like the mount, places like
the Mandal, anywhere in New Zealand where we have a
good old good summer and a good beach and stuff, Australia,
South Africa, you know, anywhere like that. It's no problem.
You just like you know, the supermarket's basically lucky to
be by the beach, do you know what I mean?
The supermarket is the extension of the beach. You're welcome

(01:35:55):
to the supermarket for being here to cater to us
at the beach. You are you just it's no problem.
There's no delineation, do you know what I mean? That's
how we roll in this country, don't We just wander
across the road, go into your four square, come back
out again without your jandles on, go back to the beach.
Their problem is that they don't have a beach culture.
But it's okay because we just don't have to go
to their stink beaches. Eight away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:36:16):
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Speaker 3 (01:36:24):
Here that Italy has a beach culture, but it's not
the done thing over there. It's not that we have
a beach culture, it's that were peasants. Thank you, Sandra,
Just making sure everybody knows that was from Sandra, not
from me. Six away from seven. Now you know this
ad I was telling you about on Friday, This is
the Sydney Sweeney. Is Sydney Sweeney selling the jen zad.

Speaker 11 (01:36:44):
I'm not here to tell you to buy American Eagle Chance,
and I definitely won't say that they're the most comfortable
chans I've ever worn, or that they make your butt
look amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:36:56):
Hell, Hell, that's gone down. So they launched that on Friday,
maybe like Thursday night or whatever, and immediately it was
just fantastic for the apparel company. Right they just went
which has been gangbusters. The share price went up. It
was completely untethered from reality. Since then, there has been
some massive blowback to the ad, basically that the AD's

(01:37:17):
been accused of playing to sexist stereotypes because she has
got a set of good knockers. I'm not gonna lie.
They are lay look amazing. And the way that that
denim jacket has been finched together to get a good
cleavage there, like that's like that looks great and the
camera lingers on it. Also then she gets up there,

(01:37:37):
I'm not gonna tell you that they Jane's got on
your bat and then the camera looks at the butt
like Rullsom's in on that, Like a lot of crop
shot going on there. Anyway, then she walks away, So anyway,
she's she's basically been accused of flaunting her weares. I say,
if you've got it, girl, make some money off it.
Is not doing anything illegal there. It's just a good
ad as well, isn't it if you're trying to sell
jeans based on can you look like Sidney Sweeney? Anyway?

(01:38:00):
Also though being accused of promoting eugenics because she's because
it's a play on words, so she's like, look at
my good genes as in denim jeans as an also
like genetic material and people because she's blonde and has
blue eyes, everybody's like, h literally accused her of Nazi
fascist propaganda. Anyway, long Bow obviously incredibly long Bow. What

(01:38:23):
I would say in response to all of this is
excellent ad because it's been out for most of for
like half a week, and we are still talking about it,
and now you're gonna go look at it, aren't you,
because there's cleavage and controversy. So good ad.

Speaker 23 (01:38:36):
Ants I see fire by Ed Shearon As performed at
one of his christ shows last time. I'm pretty sure
this is the secret one He did for one hundred
z M competition Whiners at the Botanical Gardens. On that tour,
he also played Hancastle Arena the main show, and he
played to a school as well, Redcliff's Primary School. So yeah,
just a great guy. I mean, why wouldn't you like him?

Speaker 3 (01:38:57):
No, I mean he is a great guy, and he
looks like he's an actually a really invested dad, and
I love that about him, and I love that he
seems like a normal dude. Why didn't you play me
the rap?

Speaker 23 (01:39:06):
Because the rap has too many swear words in it,
so sweat of course he does.

Speaker 3 (01:39:11):
Yeah, I thought he was just a ganger, good boy.

Speaker 23 (01:39:14):
No, No, I think quite a few of the album
versions of his songs, even on his regular albums, have
swear words in them. This one doesn't, though, so it's
safe as zed b. This was also his first number
one in New zeal It's also one.

Speaker 3 (01:39:25):
Of his shite songs. Is you'd be gutted if this
was the last show out.

Speaker 4 (01:39:34):
With this.

Speaker 3 (01:39:34):
I can't argue with this, but if this was the
last song at the show, you'd be like, oh, yuck boring. Anyway, Look,
if you're going enjoy.

Speaker 4 (01:39:49):
Thank you for more from Hither duplessy Alan Drive.

Speaker 1 (01:39:55):
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