Full Show Podcast: 29 November 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected us.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Tog said, b.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today,
we're going to speak to employment expert Mike Max Whitehead
on what he makes of people earning above one hundred
and eighty thousand dollars a year losing the right to
claim unjustified dismissal. Eden Park's got the twelve concerts that
they wanted a year. We'll speak to the CEO and
we'll get you across the cracket and we'll keep you
across the cricket as well.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
For Heather Duplicy Ellen.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
The mono annui, he'll have seen what happened there by
now A was autopilot again, that's why it ran. The
ground crew didn't take it off autopilot. In fact, the
crew didn't even realize it was all autopilot. So let
me run you through the details of what happened that night.
That night, about quarter past six, while they were out
surveying the reef and sar War, the crew decided that

(00:56):
they needed to turn to starboard and it seemed to
have worked, and then they decided they also needed to
change course again. But that is when the ship stopped responding.
They tried to turn, the ship wouldn't turn. They tried
to break, the ship wouldn't break. And instead what happened
is that the ship started to actually accelerate towards the reef,
and a couple of minutes later it grounded at a
speed of ten knots. Then it grounded a couple more times,

(01:19):
and then it finally became stranded. That basically, like if
you're in a car and you mount the curb, you go, oh, no,
hod on, I need to stop. But then instead what
happens is you put your foot on the accelerator and
you start accelerating, you mount the curb, and then not
only do you mount the curb, and you start mounting
the steps as well, and then you just hit You
hit the bollard and you land there. That's basically what
happened to the ship. It then took them another ten

(01:40):
minutes to figure out that they needed to turn the
autopilot off. Now I can't really explain to you how
stupid this is, but apparently all you need to do
to realize that the ship is an autopilot is look
at the screen that's says autopilot. That's how you figure
it out. Now, I feel like you can understand how
stupid it is just by looking at Judith Collins face today,

(02:01):
because that was not a face that was finding anything
funny at all. Day She looked stern as like this
was one of the suckiest days of her life. I
think I could actually hear her breathing in the microphone,
like while she listened to the questions and had to
digest what she was actually having to talk about today
in front of the country. Absolute exasperation. Now there's a

(02:22):
lot of concern about what this is going to do
to our global reputation. I don't know. I mean, I'm
not too worried about that because I feel like, if
you've already ground one ship in a year because of
autopilot and then pulled out all the nuts in a pylon,
what's another ship matter? Like, our reputation has already taken
enough of hammering probably from here on, and it's what's expected.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Now.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
I'm going to give some credit here because I harp
on and you will have heard me doing it yesterday
at water Care. I harp on at authorities about the
need to come clean on stuff as soon as they
know that stuff has happened and fess up. So as
far as I can see when it comes to ships
and autopilot incidents this year, these eyes actually did a
good job. So credit to Judith in the Navy because
they didn't do too badly. It took them less than

(03:04):
eight weeks to be straight up with us about how
dumb things were that night. Key we railed by contrast,
and this is read the utter Teeddy, which we also
ran aground, refused to tell us for eighteen weeks. We
only found out through leaks what happened, and even then
they won't fesce up on significant parts of the night.
So eight verses eighteen, I feel like Judith and the
Navy are winning on this one. And then of course

(03:24):
Transpower with the pylon basically got forced to tell us
that some numpty took all the nuts out because there
were pictures. But without the pictures, god ando knows how
long they were going to play that game for. So
credit where credits due for telling us what happened. But boy,
someone needs to go back to training wheels.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Don't they ever do for Cellen nine.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Who is the next text number? And the standard text
fee is a play. We're going to work a little
bit of a chat about this after five o'clock of
the maritime lawyer who's all across this kind of details.
He's dealing with a lot of this at the moment. Actually,
now over to Australia, it's finally law. Under sixteen year
olds are going to be banned from social media. This
is in Australia only. Obviously. The Federal Parliament passed the
bill into legislation last night and companies failing to comply

(04:05):
will potentially be fined up to fifty million dollars if
they have a year. This is the social media companies
to figure out how to implement this now. Tama lev
is a professor of Internet studies at Curtain University in Perth.
Tama Hello, Hello, how are we actually going to verify ages?

Speaker 4 (04:21):
That's a really good question. One of the challenges with
this particular bill is that it says that platforms are
responsible for doing that. It doesn't tell platforms how they
are supposed to do that. We've got an age assurance
trial sometime in the middle of next year. But the
thing that you would imagine probably was the easiest way
to do that, which is asking for some sort of
government issued identification. We've added an amendment so that platforms

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aren't allowed to ask for that because there were privacy concerns.
So we know that platforms are going to bear the
brunt of trying to do this, and that may well
be a good thing, but the exact technicality of how
they're going to do age verification or age assurance is
very much up in the air.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
What is the relevance of this age assurance trial?

Speaker 4 (05:04):
So the age assurance trial, which was originally going to
happen first, was to test out all of those tools
that claim to be able to figure out your age
without you entering it yourself, so maybe facial recognition or
other biometrics, or looking at the history of how you
use a platform or something else as sort of an.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Educated guess if you like, about your age.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
We know that those tools have been fairly immature, that
they've been fairly high error rates, and that they've worked
much better on whitefaces than any other sort of face,
so that there are some real issues there that we've
known about. It would have been lovely to do that
trial first and figure out if those tools have improved
or not. But as it is, we've got a year
to try and get these things right.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
Yeah, do you think that the social media do you
think this is going to work? Will they be able
to figure this out in a year?

Speaker 4 (05:51):
I honestly, I'm not quite sure. I think there will
be something put in place. I think there will be
a real effort. I mean, there are significant penalties forgetting
this wrong, but I also think there might be a
legal challenge from the platform saying you've asked is to
do something nobody's ever been able to do well. It's
not really our fault that we can't. So that there
are lots of questions still in the air, and a

(06:11):
year is a long time to figure this out.

Speaker 5 (06:13):
There's also a federal election.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
In the middle of that year, so it'll depend on
who's driving the ship as well when it gets to
the point of actually having to implement it.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Tama, why doesn't the government provide the age assurance itself?
Because I mean, there must be a way to issue
a token or something. It already has the details of
these kids, or can have the details of these kids,
and can be trusted to keep it safe. Because everybody's
government keeps our details safe, right with our driver's license
or our passport, and then just assure the social media
companies yes, tama is over eighteen or sixteen or whatever.

Speaker 6 (06:46):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
So I mean, I think Australia has a long history
of trying to bring in some sort of systematic national
identify a scheme and every time people have absolutely freaked
out and not wanted to do it. The current government
and then did the last few governments have had a
pretty bad track record with looking after personal information. They've
been hacked through all sorts of different departments. So I
don't think that trust relationship, if you like, exists with

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most citizens. So it's a tricky one. It's technically quite
hard to do any other way. But if people don't
want to share government issued ID, and of course most
kids under sixteen don't have government issued ID in many respects,
so there's a lot of additional hurdles there.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah, I mean, wouldn't you though, if you were if
you if it was put to you, wouldn't you trust
the government with your details rather than Facebook.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Look, that's a really good question.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
I'm pretty sure that Facebook can see I've had an
account for fourteen years, so if they think I'm under sixteen,
that's going to be a bit of a worry.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
Yeah, But I mean I was wondering why you were
so so in two minds about it. I mean, but
do you trust Zuckerberg to have your driver's license on file?

Speaker 4 (07:53):
I don't trust Zuckerberg to have anything of mine on file.
But I do think that other ways of doing it
are harder, And I really don't think that Australians are
there are used to being cynical about the relationship they
have with their government, so I think trusting them to
do it is never going to be something. Because of
course we're not verifying kids' identities. We're verifying everyone's identities.

(08:16):
Adults have to prove they're not kids. It's not just
convincing seventeen year olds to do this, it's convincing fifty
five year olds.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
Listen, Tama, thanks for running us through to really appreciate it.
T'm a leaver professor of Internet Studies at Curtain University
and personally to see how this plays out. If they
do it, and they do it well, then we'll have
to do it too. Listen's got some good news for
the women on the HRT patches. This is the hormone
hormone replacement therapy patches. If you're one of the women
and you're really upset that FARMAC decided to pull your
favorite patches and the best patches, apparently an issue you

(08:46):
with these crappy, substandard patches. It appears that David Seymore's
intervention has worked and Farmak has now promised that women
will be able to have another option aka basically the
original one. It sounds like it's still going to be
a pain, And I'll tell you what, if you want
to cause a pain to anybody, you don't want to
cause a pain to a woman on a patch who
hasn't got the patch, if you know what I mean.

(09:07):
So good luck to you for MAC. But anyway, it
sounds like it's going to be a pain because women
are going to have to apply for it and so on,
and they actually quite obviously have no idea how this
is going to work, because they say they're still working
out the details and they'll share the information once it's confirmed.
But at least Seymour stepped in and saved the ladies
a little bit of hassle. Coming up seventeen past four,
who will.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Take the White House results and analysis of the US
election on Heather Dupless Alan Drive with one New Zealand Let's.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Get connected the news talk said be.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
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Speaker 3 (09:43):
Elliot Smith Weekend Sports Hosters with US. Elliott, welcome back.

Speaker 7 (09:47):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
You were just telling me you were away for five weeks. Yes,
did you miss the New Zealand food, all the healthy
stuff or were you eating quite well over there?

Speaker 7 (09:54):
No, it's getting quite well. We're Japanese to start with
yew England, Ireland. Yeah, it's somebody here. French food, Italian food,
a lot of paste.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
Yeah, that's not bad.

Speaker 7 (10:03):
Actually the risotto.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
Yeah, yeah, Well it's a wonder you came home exactly.

Speaker 7 (10:07):
I was considering just.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
How are we going in the cricket.

Speaker 7 (10:11):
We're going all right, but now not so much. One
hundred and eighty six or four England a good partnership
at the moment on the opened harry Brook threatening to
take not to take the game away from the black Caps,
but they made some n roads off four down shortly
after lunch and now a good partnership for England. So
they're settling in at the moment and knuckling down and
New Zealand's still head one hundred and sixty two bar

(10:31):
this partnership, it goes on a bit further, could just
put some pressure on the black Caps and breaks.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
Since we took our last book at.

Speaker 7 (10:38):
About one hundred runs ago. Off the top of my head,
it was just after lunch, so we're looking it two
or three hours ago.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
Now, yeah, okay, okay, Now, eager sh Fion Techs has
tested positive for a banned substance. Yes, what was it.

Speaker 7 (10:51):
It's called teams as. It's got a longer name, but
I'm not going to try and pronounce it. It's it
was in Malatona and it was Lake medicine she was taking,
so it's part of that and she took it as
part of her routine because she's flying around the globe
and has been cleared from doing so. We'll given a
one month ban, but effectively being cleared for doing so
on the basis that it was not purposely taken. Now,

(11:16):
this seems that odds for me against every other rule
that goes and integ you know, Mary shape Over got
done for fifteen months a few years ago for taking
heart medicine. Now, it's the responsibility of the athletes to
take what they're putting in the body. That's always what
these drug free agencies say, it's your responsibility. And yet
we've had this year, We've had the world number one
egosyon tech now and we had Jannick Cinney. You might

(11:39):
remember that the men's world number one for a handspray
basically effectively cleared of that despite testing positive twice to
a banned substance. So beginning to feel like there's one
rule for some players, some athletes, and one rule for another.
These are two high profile tennis players. I am staggered
that she's been able to get away with a one
month ban this thing that.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
She's tested positive for. What does it do to you
to Does it make you a better player?

Speaker 7 (12:04):
No, it's a banned substance. Effectively, in theory it would.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
It's not always the case, but not always the case.
But because some sports, for it, is this like just
the tennis, Is it just a tense rules or is
there because if you test positive for marijuana, you get banned,
and that does not make you a better player.

Speaker 7 (12:20):
It doesn't think it's a banned substance. So it's banned
from yeah so and same for any other illicit drug
or any performance enhancing drug. This is on the list.
So I'm staggered. Given the amount of education that these
athletes get around, as I say, putting these things into
your body. All of them are so careful, well most
of them are so careful around what they eat and

(12:41):
what they do, whether it's a substance or vitamins, whatever
it might be, that they check it rigidly and they
look on the registers and everything like that. To get
away with one month's band seems staggering to me.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
Oh, Elliott, thanks for I really appreciate that. That's Elliott Smith.
We can sport host will be back midday to three
pm tomorrow and Sunday for twenty two.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
For Heather Duplicy Ellen cutting through the noise to get
the facts.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
It's Hither Duplicy Allen drive with One New Zealand let's
get connected and news talk as they'd be.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
Umm okay. So I'm getting a lot of texts about
the lady who was in charge of the boat being
a lady and that being a thing. Now I wasn't so.
For example, this one from Steve hm n Z SDI failure. Now,
if you don't know what DEI is, its diversity, equity
and inclusion, which is the big like you know, that's
the big thing in the States where you hire people

(13:32):
who are women or people who are brown or whatever
or all kinds of like you know, subgroups to kind
of you know, do the right you know, your identity
politics thing. Anyway, you know what I'm trying to say. Anyway,
I wasn't here when the ship rad I was on
holiday or something like that, when the ship ran aground
in some more so I was enjoying it from afar,
so I didn't catch up on this. But is this

(13:52):
a thing. Do we know for sure that she was
hired just because she's a lady or are you just
making that assumption that that's why she was Because I
need you to pony up the facts if you've seen
any these texts, pony up the facts to prove to
me that the lady was hired just because she's a lady.
Because on the thing about women being bad drivers, you
know that's bs because you know we're actually better drivers

(14:12):
than blow and say, I mean, look some definitely some
who let us down. Like I'm not gonna lie. When
a woman drives badly, it's a bad thing. But for
the most part, we're much better drivers than blokes because
we're not We don't get as angry as you guys do, don't,
don't you know what I mean? And like, I've got
a sample size of two in my house, me and
the husband, and let me tell you, driving with him
is a terrifying thing. Now, on the subject of women,

(14:35):
and by the way, can I just tell you it's
not going to be Originally we were going to talk
to Troy the lawyer, the maritime lawyer after five, but
we've just bumped him for a lady, Judith because she's.

Speaker 8 (14:44):
She's diversity, equity and included.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
That's right, because on this show we also like to
do DEI policies, and we were like, too many blokes
on the show. Let's get a lady and okay, we'll
get Judith in and let me tell you, she brings
a lot of lady to a show. So we're definitely
punching above our weights with that weight with that one,
can you please, I just want to remind you, see
me the text pony app your information and I really
appreciate that. On the subject of women. There are some
women in Wisconsin, it turns out, who are so upset

(15:09):
about the fact that Donald Trump beat Karmala Harris not
only in the election but also in the state that
they got together to release a primal scream on the
shore of Lake Michigan. Have a listen. I know you

(15:32):
think it's going to end. It just keeps going. There's more. Wait,
there's at least another six seconds of this nonsense. That
one at the end is really upset, isn't She's not
doing a lot for my particular sex right now? Is
it sound like a bunch of hysterical idiots. Anyway, they
needed to release their pain and frustration after the election.

(15:53):
Give it a whoon some time headlines, next.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Hard questions, strong opinions, see allan drive with one New
Zealand let's get connected and news talk as they'd be.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
Heather with Barry Sofa at the lake as well. He
was there in spirit. Trust me. He screams like that
every night, every night since the American election. He goes
out on the back deck and just screams to get
his primal scream out. He's going to be a US
in ten minutes time. We'll ask him to just hold
off for today. Good news for Eden Park. I'm pretty

(16:37):
stoked about this. They've managed to get the consent to
hold twelve concerts a year. This is double what they
have at the moment. At the moment they're only allowed
to have six. There is a caveat with it, which
is that they it can't just be can't be artists
of their choosing. They have a limit on the number
of artists, only allowed to have six artists every single year.
And I think probably what they're trying to avoid there

(16:58):
is one artists turning up and just doing multiple concerts
so like, because you know, the residence in Helen can
probably handle so many nights in a row or across
a week, and then beyond that is too much, That's
what I'm thinking. Or to prevent too many artists having
multiple nights, I think. But anyway, we'll see what the CEO,
Nick Stan has got to say when he's with us.

(17:20):
He's going to be with us at quarter past five.
It's twenty three away from five.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
It's got world wires on news talks.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
They'd be drive so Albo says he's proud to have
passed the social media band for people under sixteen into
law and Australia. As we've been talking about it on
the show, the law got through the Senate with cross
party support last night.

Speaker 9 (17:37):
We've got your back is our message to Australian parents.
What we've done is world leading, will work to make
sure that it's got right. We don't argue that its
implementation will be perfect, just like the alcohol ban for
under adeens doesn't mean that someone under adeen never has access,

(17:58):
but we know that it's right thing you do.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
Russian President Vladimir Putin has threatened to fire ballistic missiles
at the Ukrainian capital Kiev. Russia has already made a
comprehensive attack against the Ukrainian power grid, and Putin says
this is a response to Ukraine's use of Western supplied
long range missiles. We will use the means ATA will
disposal against significant targets, betting in mind that the Kiva
authorities continue to attempt to strake a toe of fatal facilities.

(18:24):
And finally, orcas in the Pacific are embracing a new
fashion trend. The whale watchers and scientists in the US
have spotted orcas with dead salmon on top of their heads.
Apparently the orcas are wearing the salmon like hats, and
this is not the first time it's happened. Is actually
the second time. I know, second time it's happened. Is
that you Dan just chipping in?

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Sorry?

Speaker 3 (18:46):
Yes, did this? Dan waiting in line? So shocked at
this that Wales are wearing salmon like hats. Apparently they
started doing it in nineteen eighty seven, and then by
the following year they decided that the trend was passe.
And nobody knows why the orcers are doing it.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
It is quite shocking and weird, isn't it, Den?

Speaker 2 (19:11):
It is.

Speaker 10 (19:12):
I'm sorry about that. You know you're getting older when
you start talking back to the radio. I just didn't
realize you were listening at the.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
Times we That's what we were all doing in our heads,
so you only said it out loud. Hey, So Putin
loves Trump by the sounds of things that he's start
day he does.

Speaker 10 (19:27):
He does, calling him intelligent and experience And I find
this kind of interesting that he's saying this as all
these tensions are ramping up between Russia and Ukraine right now.
And of course, as you just mentioned, you've got the
US and the long range missiles that have been given
to go ahead by Biden too. So it'll be interesting
to see what happens when when Trump gets into the office,
because he was the guy, don't forget this, said he

(19:48):
could end this whole war between those two countries on
day one within twenty four hours of getting into the
White House.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
Soon might be getting a head of himself here a
little bit, because we were all laboring under the impression
that what was going to happen was Trump was going
to get in and force Selen Zelenski to give up
land for peace. But actually a counter narrative has started
to emerge, which is possibly what Trump is going to
do is just armed Zelensky to the teeth and let
him rain hell down on Putin.

Speaker 10 (20:15):
Well, yeah, and I think that's why we may be
hearing some of these nice comments from Vladimir Putin as
well too, you know, because Trump has said, you know,
we're going to secure peace through strength, So take.

Speaker 5 (20:25):
That as you will.

Speaker 10 (20:27):
And I mean this is also just a big sort
of turnaround from what the Kremlin's been saying over the
last few weeks last couple of months actually against Biden
the whole administration, because he's been accusing the US and
Joe Biden specifically of escalating this war with the Ukraine.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
Dan, why is it that we are now all of
a sudden thinking gen z as might be the loneliest
generation just.

Speaker 10 (20:47):
Because they're spending so much time on social media. They're
spending six hours or more a day, and I mean,
this is you know, this is loneliness is an emotion,
as psychologists are saying right now, and they've come out
with a study and they're saying, at some point we're
all going to be lonely in our lives, and especially
since the pandemic. The problem is gen z is feeling
lonely all the time and they feel like this loneliness

(21:07):
is never going to go away. And this is ironic,
I guess you could say, because they're finding new ways
every day to connect without connecting, aren't they? I mean
seventy three percent of these kids say I said, kids
twenty something years old say they fill alone and disconnected,
but they're not willing to go out and make that
human interaction.

Speaker 6 (21:27):
You know.

Speaker 5 (21:27):
You talk to my daughter and she says I've got friends. Okay.
Are you going to talk to your friends?

Speaker 11 (21:31):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (21:32):
I don't talk to them. Have you seen them?

Speaker 12 (21:33):
No?

Speaker 5 (21:33):
I text with them. And that's what this generation's doing
with them, and they call them friends.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Okay. So does your daughter go out and have a party.
Does she drink?

Speaker 5 (21:42):
Does she?

Speaker 6 (21:43):
No?

Speaker 12 (21:43):
No?

Speaker 3 (21:44):
Look up with no payper no nothing.

Speaker 13 (21:47):
No no.

Speaker 5 (21:48):
Same with my son.

Speaker 10 (21:49):
They're twins, they're both they're both eighteen, and most of
their friendships and their school friends and college friends are
are the same. I mean, they'll interact with each other
in the classrooms, but outside of the classroom, most of
them are on their phone texting with one another.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
And that's why they live with you.

Speaker 5 (22:06):
One of them does. The other one is away on
living on campus.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
Okay. And the one that lives with you, do they
go out at the weekend or do they hang about
at home?

Speaker 6 (22:13):
No?

Speaker 10 (22:14):
Total introvert, just totally gaming, doing homework online. That doesn't
really socialize with anybody, even though he was an abandoned
school and stuff.

Speaker 9 (22:23):
I know.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
Does that worry you?

Speaker 2 (22:26):
It does?

Speaker 6 (22:26):
It does?

Speaker 10 (22:27):
Because I find that when this generation goes out and
they have to interact with people in the office or
they have to do that first big interview when they
graduate from university. It's like, well, how are you going
to get these social skills if you're not around real people.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
Yeah, yeah, totally. I'd be worried about it too, Dan, Listen,
tell me quickly. This California man witnessing for twenty five
years and then his sister sees his picture in the
news and finds them. How does she recognize him?

Speaker 10 (22:49):
Though, Well, it just vanished. It was just happened to
see a picture of him online in an article and said, well,
wait a minute, this homeless guy looks very familiar. So
contacted police. Police reached out for help with the Sheriff's
apartment with a missing person's unit. They were able to
fingerprint this guy who had been hospitalized, and they were
able to positively identify him as the same person who

(23:10):
went missing in ninety nine. Who he was, Yeah, he
had just forgotten who he was and was just.

Speaker 5 (23:15):
Down on the streets.

Speaker 10 (23:16):
So I mean, it's a I guess you could call
it over here at least a nice Thanksgiving or a
nice holiday miracle.

Speaker 5 (23:20):
However you look at it.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
Wow, that's remarkable. Hey, Dan, thanks very much, appreciate it. Dan, Mitchinson,
US correspondent. What Dan just told you there about one
of the children living with him is exactly what I
was trying to tell you. Recently, Remember, we were talking
about how the kids, I think it was last week.
We're talking about how kids don't drink that much. They
don't get lit on alcohol, they don't go out get pregnant,

(23:42):
they don't get into car crashes and stuff like that.
That's all awesome, I mean, none of us want kids
been drinking and having teenage pregnancies and crashing and stuff.
But we also have to be careful about why we're
getting to that place, and a lot of it is
because of what's going on with Dan's child, which is
that the kids just stay at home. They don't have
any of the experiences that we have have that we
had as young people. And even though I'm stoked that

(24:03):
they're not in the car crash, and I'm stoked they're
not getting pregnant, and I'm stoked they're not drinking too much,
the loneliness is also something that we should be very
worried about so quite and this is why Australia's passed
that social media ban, and I applaud them for at
least giving it a go, because you don't want the
kids sitting at home on a Friday night when they're
twenty years old and going I'm gonna play my games.
That's not healthy. By the way, Drake has just announced

(24:26):
he's coming back to New Zealand to play two shows
next year. Drake has not been here for eight years.
Have you got some, Drake? Answer that the boomers know
what we're talking about?

Speaker 7 (24:35):
Oh Drake, that's safe for the radios.

Speaker 8 (24:36):
Tricky, I'll find some.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
You just have to play the little bit of the
store at the start of that song. Everybody knows that song. Yeah,
hotline bling that. Yeah, everybody knows what I'm talking about.

Speaker 14 (24:46):
Andy.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
I don't need to say the words out loud. Thank you,
and maybe I do. But you know you're used to
call me I mun us.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Do used to?

Speaker 15 (24:56):
You used to?

Speaker 8 (24:59):
It takes a while to get into it.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
I don't know. Yeah, you used to.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Got me on myself.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
You can go a Spark Arena late February early March
and go and see Drake for yourself.

Speaker 7 (25:10):
How good is that?

Speaker 3 (25:11):
Thank you? Ants quarter to Barry Sourpers.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Next Lonely.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
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Speaker 3 (25:25):
Your political correspondence with us now, Hay Barry, Good.

Speaker 16 (25:27):
Afternoon, Heather. I'm really pleased that Drake's coming. I'll be
in the mosh pit right at.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
The front doing your primal scream about Trump.

Speaker 16 (25:34):
He's American, isn't he?

Speaker 3 (25:36):
He's American?

Speaker 16 (25:36):
Hey? What he likes Trump is?

Speaker 3 (25:38):
What did you make of the money when we're going down?

Speaker 5 (25:40):
Oh?

Speaker 16 (25:41):
Absolutely incredible, wasn't it.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
He's Canadian. I'm sorry, he's Canadian. Sorry, sorry, he's a
nice carry on with the boat.

Speaker 16 (25:48):
What I admired was the chief of the Navy, Rear
Admiral Garen Golding, getting up and telling it like it is,
is not trying to guild the lily. And I really
I thought, you know, he'll get a lot of brownie
points for that, even though I mean, it's unbelievable how

(26:08):
it happened. The thinking just gets worse the more you
hear about it. Here's the rare Admiral golden earlier today.

Speaker 17 (26:17):
All vessels in our fleet have a similar functionality for
an autopilot. So if you are doing directional changes and
manually when the ship is an autopilot, it won't adjust.
But if you're doing accelerational deceleration. An autopilot, it will
take those orders and it's just a matter of making
sure that those out in the fleet understand the importance

(26:39):
of being aware whether you're an autopilot or not. But
on the day, muscle memory from the person in control
should have lent over to that panel and checked whe
there's a person it's on who's in control of the ship.
I'm not naming that person. I'm saying that the person
that was in that position was in control of a ship.

(27:00):
He was another person because of the location being close
to the reef, was supervising that individual.

Speaker 16 (27:06):
It doesn't sound as though the captain was on the
bridge at the time. You'll remember Judith Collins, I know
you're going to be talking to her shortly. She was
full of praise of the ship's captain, Yvonne Gray. Today
she was a little more conciliatory.

Speaker 18 (27:21):
We've had this sort of thing happen in the civilian
world with fairies, which had one just recently about the
same day, with the auto pilots and people not working
out what to do. I think what it says is
that we are not a country that is going to
shy away from the truth. Human error is the one
thing you can't guarantee against, but it's certainly one thing
we can all learn from.

Speaker 16 (27:40):
Did we need reminding about the fairy going aground?

Speaker 3 (27:45):
He's got a problem with auto Partiday? Hey do so
mis boja here on Tuesday?

Speaker 16 (27:49):
Yes, he's having a long lunch here in Auckland on Tuesday. Essentially,
he's here to promote his book Unleashed. And I talked
to one of his former teachers and he and they say,
they said to me, he's never changed. He's always been scruffy,
always late for meetings. And watching him being interviewed today,

(28:10):
it certainly was the case. But the teacher also said
he was one of the brightest students that he had
ever taught. In an interview before leaving Britain, Borrows spoke
warmly of our Foreign Minister Winston Peters and likes the
fact that Donald Trump has been returned to the White House.

Speaker 19 (28:27):
I'm sure Winston will have spotted this is the point
that it's not what he says, is what he does
when you look at what he actually does from the
point of view of liberal internationalism, you know, which I
basically have to believe in he's very very sunned, and
he was much tougher you could say, with the Russians
over Ukraine than the previous Democrat administration.

Speaker 16 (28:49):
And see Putin was in full praise of Trump today,
So it'll be interesting to see what sort of dialogue
will take place when he takes over the office in January.

Speaker 3 (28:59):
Listen really quickly, Why what's brought on this business with
Brook van Valden deciding that wealthy workers should be able
to be fired without good reason?

Speaker 16 (29:07):
Essentially, well, essentially from what I understand, it's because the
employment court is being basically flooded at the moment and
they're trying to free up that. But the point that
the Prime Minister made, and the stand up that he
did in the South Island today was that if somebody
on one hundred and eighty thousand, I'm sure they would
have negotiated a contract at that sort of money with

(29:30):
their employers so they can put into their contract stuff
that has to be abided by. So it's not just
a case of somebody on one hundred and eighty grand
being shown the door without good reason.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
Yeah, Barry, thanks very much, really appreciate it. Barry's so
for senior political correspondent. By the way, we've just taken
a wicket in the cricket so Olipope is out for
seventy seven. Was bold by Tim Sowvey Court in quite
a stunning flying catch actually by Phillips. And at the
moment it looks like England is still trailing us by
one hundred and twenty six runs. It's eight away from five,
putting the.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Tough question to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 20 (30:04):
So the government did release the COVID report, despite any
number of indications they were not going to. Still it
make a job of difference next time around. Former Treasury Secretary,
National Health Board member in New Zealand Initiative senior fellow
these days, doctor Murray horns with us if this was it,
in other words, we weren't doing Phase two. Is it
comprehensive enough?

Speaker 3 (30:19):
I don't think so.

Speaker 18 (30:20):
My view of it is quite a generous assessment of
what went on, and I think this is a couple
of really big points.

Speaker 15 (30:27):
The first point I would make is that it doesn't
really pick up the fact that the damage done to
the economy and took people's trust in government and so
on and so on was more serious than it needed.

Speaker 20 (30:37):
To be back Monday from six am, the mic asking
Breakfast with the Rain drove at the last news talk.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
ZB five away from five. Something very cool has happened today,
which is that the banks have launched Confirmation of Pay. Now.
I feel like I owe the banks a lot of
praise for this because I've been happening on at the
banks about the need to do this. This basically stops
will stop a lot of scams from happening, and I'll
explain that you later on in the program. We're going
to talk to the guys who actually designed the system

(31:05):
after six o'clock about that. I don't know if you
realize this, but yesterday Russian Revendra when he was batting,
actually nicked the ball and the English wi could keeper
caught it and didn't realize that Russian Revendra had nicked
the ball, and so they didn't appeal for the wickeed
and they actually would have had the wicket if that
appealed for it. And it just kind of feels like
in England. It feels like England is like nah, kind

(31:25):
of a bit, but they've turned up. But there was
a kind of like they turned up, you know, because
they're also bowling at a really slow pace. So we'll
talk to the sports huddle about it when they're with us, Heather,
it doesn't matter if the captain was a DEI higher
or not. She sunk the boat or will she be
caught martialed as a man is the question mark. I
would imagine she's going to take her punishment as a man.

(31:48):
There is no evidence. I asked you to pony up
if you had any evidence that she was hired simply
because she was a woman, and there is none. So
we're just gonna let that one drop. Now we're going
to talk to Judith Collins about it shortly. Just a
heads up, if you're taking the kids to see the
Wicked movie, you should probably be aware that there's a
little bit of concern about some of the content of
the film. Okay, this is your PSA. The British Board

(32:09):
of Film Classification has given the musical a PG certificate
and warned parents it could be potentially upsetting because in
the film a woman is mocked, bullied and humiliated because
of her skin color because she's green, and they're worried
this is going to be particularly upsetting to kids who
also have green skin, So just the heads up if
your children have green skin to be worried just because

(32:29):
they might get triggered by the bullying. And there's another
warning as well, because in the film, the magical creatures
who can talk her are persecuted and they're very worried
that seeing beloved creatures being mistreated, especially when al Faber's
skin color is used to demonize her as the Wicked,
which may be upsetting and poignant for some audiences. So
if you feel particularly strong about your talking animals or
about green Skin, just a little heads up that maybe

(32:52):
Wicked's not the movie for you. Yeah, You're welcome News
Talks that.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Be the only drive show you can trust to ask
the questions, get the answers by the facts and give

(33:17):
the analysis Heather due to thee Alan drive with one
New Zealand, let's get connected.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
And you talk as they'd be.

Speaker 16 (33:25):
All right.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
So it's been revealed that the mono were New We
grounded and sunk off the coast of sal War because
no one realized that the ship was on autopilot. The
crew had apparently tried to turn the ship but it
wouldn't turn. They tried to get it to break, but
it wouldn't break. Instead, it sped up and grounded, and
the autopilot stayed on for at least another ten minutes.
Here's the Chief of Navy, Rear, Admiral Garren Golding.

Speaker 17 (33:45):
Remaining an autopilot resulted in the ship maintaining a course
of three four zero degrees towards land until grounding and
eventually stranding.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
The Ministry of Defense is Judith Collins. Hi, Judith, I
have it, Heather, Judith. It seems staggeringly stupid, is it?

Speaker 15 (34:01):
Well, it certainly is something that many of us would
feel was incomprehensible, except that we also know that sometimes,
even with the best will in the world, people make mistakes,
and then someone else makes a mistake and it becomes
in this case, lost ship and people's lives being unnecessurely

(34:22):
put at risk.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
What's the mistake, Well.

Speaker 15 (34:25):
There's a whole series of mistakes, particularly around autopilots and
wanting forgetting or not noticing that the autopilot was on,
then continuing to act and to take actions that you
would do with it's called thrusters, which is to get
away from the reef, but actually don't work if the
autopilot's on and just the most basic things not being done,

(34:48):
and it's obviously a very serious situation. I'd say this,
at least, you know, navy shunts up that gets the
facts and it and it owns them.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
From my understanding from listening to that press conference today,
all they had to do was look on the screen
that would have said autopilot on.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Is that right?

Speaker 3 (35:05):
Yeah, that's pretty much how many people were on the
bridge at the time.

Speaker 15 (35:09):
Well, there's obviously a few there, but the main people
there was the person who was in charge of that
ship and the words the person who was driving it.
Then there's the supervisor of that person, and those people
are obviously subject to some investigation. Plus also the commander

(35:30):
of the ship, who wasn't there at that moment.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
So there's at least three people are who are in charge,
or at least two because the commander wasn't there and
neither of them thought to look at the screen.

Speaker 15 (35:40):
Yeah, Okay, it's incomprehensible, isn't it, except that we know
that this is the same sort of thing that happened
recently with the.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
And the cook straight So well, at least they d
to be fair, had the excuse of a whole new system.
That they didn't understand is can we use the same
excuse for the navy?

Speaker 15 (35:58):
There's no Well, there's no excuse, is there. And the
fact is that it's embarrassing for everybody. But as always saying,
at the moment, these things, terrible things do happen, but
it's how you handle them that's really important. Then the
Navy is doing that.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
The commander, that's the lady. That's the lady who was
in charge of.

Speaker 15 (36:19):
The ship here, that's the commanding officer.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
She's copped a lot of grief. But are you telling
me she wasn't actually on the bridge? This has got
nothing to do with her.

Speaker 15 (36:29):
Well, you can't say it's nothing to do with her
because she's the commander. But what I can say is
that it's certainly not a gender issue here. I can
say that there were three people who are the subject
to investigation to a male and one is female.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
Yeah, but she wasn't on the bridge, was she?

Speaker 15 (36:50):
No, she wasn't at that moment.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
These three people who are under investigation subjects or disciplinary process.
Is the possible outcome that they will lose their jobs
over this?

Speaker 15 (37:00):
Yeah, So these are called communit separatist process. It's outside
the cord of inquiry. It will occur after that cord
of inquiry is completely finished. But the point of that
is it's dealt with in a really serious way and
it would be very unusual, although I don't want to

(37:21):
go around prejudging or anything, very unusual if there weren't
courts martial over this matter.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
All right, judor, thank you for your time. Appreciated this
dud of Collins.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
The Minister of Defense Heather duel So.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
The governments announced plans to stop wealthy workers from raising
an unjustified dismissal claim if they lose their jobs. It
will apply to workers who are earning one hundred and
eighty thousand dollars or more. And Max Whitehead is an
employment law expert in with us. Now, Hey Max, Hey, healler,
you like the sound of this?

Speaker 11 (37:47):
No, well, I just think it's a little bit Well,
who would want to be a senior manager right now?
And who'd want to be in charge of a ship?
Because really you're likely to cop one only through this thing,
going to lose all your protection as an employee. And
the next thing is that you could be sued under
the Health and Safety of Work Act. And just like

(38:07):
the ports of Auckland.

Speaker 5 (38:08):
Guy.

Speaker 11 (38:09):
So I mean, really, it's a tough world out there
if you are any if you're a big timer in
a business right now?

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Yeah, fair enough? I mean okay, so you have this
right to taken away from you, wouldn't you just write
it into your contract?

Speaker 11 (38:21):
Well, you'd have to negotiate it back in because most
employers would say, oh, gotcha. If you want to get
this back into your contract, well how about taking a
thirty thousand dollars pay cut or something like that, they
would probably be seeking to negotiate a lower salary option
for them.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
So what do you make of the argument that the
reason that the government has to do this is to
basically make it easier for bosses to be able to
get rid of useless middle managers.

Speaker 11 (38:51):
Well, I think it shouldn't be only sitting at the
top that option to do that, I think is one
of Brook van Belden's colleagues put up a bill for this.
It's saying that the employers should be entitled to negotiate
with an employee and saying, look, I I'd like to
buy your exit so you're finishing up with us, Can

(39:11):
I do that? And then they sit down and have
a chin wag about it. Now, if in the last
interview you've just done somebody's been grossly negligent or perhaps
just incompetent, well then of course they have grounds to
dismiss and the law would enable that to go through
a process. And can the people protect themselves from that, well,

(39:31):
so they should in my view. I mean, murderers get
the right to defend themselves and surely somebody in this
situation could be as well.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Max appreciate it, Max Whitehead employment laws.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
But Heather duper see Allen.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
The Prime Minister has basically shot down the White Tongy
Tribunal today pretty much immediately. Now if you haven't caught
up on this, what's happened is the White Tongy Tribunals
made another ruling that doesn't favor the government. Shock said
the government was wrong to kill off the Mary Health Authority,
which you remember was one of the first things government did,
and decided that that was the wrong thing to do
because the government hadn't consulted Mary and so should basically

(40:07):
put it back make another one. Luxon has been asked
about it said pretty much words to the effect of
not going to happen because actually they did consult because
it was national party policy. It wasn't hidden deep in
the manifesto, right out there in the press releases, they
were talking about it. Everybody knew it was their policy,
and they still won the election. And that is the
ultimate consultation. And as he says, it had been available

(40:28):
for fifteen months from memory, pretty unsuccessful, not delivering outcomes.
Fourteen past five. Hey, the AA Driven Car of the
Year award has just been announced and no surprise, it's
gone to the BYD Sea Lion Sex. If you have listened,
if you have been living under a rock, let me
tell you the Sea Lion Sex is BYD's best selling model.
In October this year alone, BYD sold fifty one, six

(40:51):
hundred and fifteen Sea Lion Sexes and the total sales
now exceed one point two million. Now that makes it
the second best selling electrified vehicle on the planet. And
it's only going to improve because being a connected car
you get a lifetime of updates like fine tuning, even
new features, and BYD are fully committed to the New
Zealand market, so you can expect to see a whole
lot more of them here right The Sea Lion six

(41:12):
is just one of four Sea Line models that they're
intending to launch over the next twelve months, So keep
your eyes peeled for the Sea Lion five, seven, and
nine as well, and obviously huge congratulations to BYD and
their Sea Lion six. It really is an outstanding car
and deserves the award. Check out byd Auto dot co
dot MZ for more.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Heather duper c Ellen whither the.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
Commanding officer is responsible for the competency of their crew.
If they put someone clueless to the operation of the
ship in charge of them, they take the hit too. Sorry,
fair enough, No, I mean that's how it rules. It works, right,
If you're in charge of the ship, you're in charge
of the ship. I just think it's relevant that we've
been giving her grief for being a lady who can't
drive a ship. But the lady wasn't driving the ship.
So you got to take it back now, don't you. Anyway.

(41:53):
Eighteen past five, good news for Auckland concert goers. Eden
Park has been given permission to host twice as many
it's every year, so they're going to be able to
do twelve concerts up to six different artists and Nick
Saughtner is the CEO.

Speaker 21 (42:06):
Haynak Good afternoon, Heather and thanks for your time.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Yeah, Helison, have you got any concerts lined up already?
Anything you need to tell.

Speaker 21 (42:12):
Us, Well, we already have Luke Combs in January and
Metallica in November. But yeah, I've been in contact with
a number of promoters today. They're delighted with the news.
It's been a massive twelve months for Eden Park. It
started with Venue of the Year with the Stadium Business
Awards late last year, then delivering two Pink concerts, the

(42:33):
world's largest Harker Travis Scott, three Coldplay shows, the All
Blacks fifty Wings without in thirty years without a loss.
Then you get the women's and men's Blues team winning
Super Rugby finals and our residents ninety seven pence cent
support for the submission and an outstanding way to cap
off a great year at the park.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Why is it limited to six artists?

Speaker 21 (42:56):
Well, that was the criteria that was put forward under
the conditions of the consent. As you've seen over the
last five years, we've worked with the community but also
counsel to amend our conditions giving confidence and one of
the things I want to emphasize is that we have delivered.
We said that we were going to deliver concerts for
our national stadium and we've done that. Our team has

(43:18):
been relentless in our delivery, three thousand casual staff, etc.
So over time, we wanted to build a level of
comfort with everyone, including whether it be the public transport
providers to know that we can get people to and
from the venue, or indeed the local businesses to receive
the economic benefit arising from these twelve shows or currently

(43:39):
the six.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
Do you reckon you'll ever be able to beat? How
epic that Coldplay concert was.

Speaker 21 (43:45):
Well, if you reflected on since we have had concerts
have started with six sixty, the rest of the world
was locked down wearing masks, and we had fifty thousand
fans on Eden Park, from Billy Joel to Ed Sheeran,
from Pink Now to Coldplay, Travis Scott to Guns N' Roses.
It's a probably a who's who of entertainment that has

(44:06):
performed at our National Stadium, I'm sure. And we heard
Chris Martin make a comment that most Englishmen come to
Eden Park and they get there beaten. Well, he was
one of those people who actually had a win. It
one hundred and eighty thousand people coming to the park
over it's the biggest event in entertainment in New Zealand's history,

(44:27):
and I think we've got to reflect on that that
only five years ago we had people who wanted en
Park to be a sports venue and we've been committed
to this agenda. We wanted a quality for both women
and men when it came to sport, but also for
entertainers and I'm extremely proud we've had over two thousand
people put in submissions of support the Residents Association as

(44:49):
an example. They did their independent research, they attended the
hearing and this is the outcome. It's a great outcome
for Aukland and New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
Stuff man, congratulations, thank you. Next time, Eden Park's CEO,
Heather has Luxeon had a testosterone implant because that was
great stuff. He's hardening up, digging deeper into the day's headlines.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
It's Heather Doopers Allen drive with one New Zealand. Let's
get connected and youth dogs.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
That'd be hey.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
Andrew Ordison's at the cracket, so we're going to go
to him after the news which is coming up at
us shortly it's five twenty four. Listen, if you're if
sympathy for the gangs gets you goat, then you might
need to block your ears for this one. Because Stuff
is running a story today with the headline asking whether
the police cracked down on that gang Tonguey and toe
Dungy yesterday was disgusting overreach or fair cop And to

(45:38):
be fair to the article, it doesn't actually make a
call one way or the other, but it does have
a bit of a sympathetic tone to it because it
reports this Stuff captured the moment two shirtless mobsters were
handcuffed and arrested. It's unclear what their infringement was as
there was no insignia on their clothing. Oh shame, must
have been an unfair arrest then, as kind of the
tone there isn't it anyway? The article then talks about
that video of the Cooeer who scolds the were parking

(46:00):
near the cemetery, and it references Rock, a dog who
featured on our show yesterday. He's the chap who held
the press conference complaining that he wasn't allowed back to
the toungy after the gangs took us clothing that had
all the gang symbols on it, and he thought that
that was unfair because it was just a minor thing,
he said, and he was just wearing clothes. Well, you
were warned. You were warned about those clothes. Rock a
dog anyway, no surprise to you at all that When

(46:23):
I'm asked the question, is it disgusting overreach or fair cop,
I'm going to come down on the side a fair cop,
because absolutely I feel some sympathy for the old ladies
who just want a farewell someone that they love and
it's a hassle to have the cops around, kind of
ruining the moment. But that's what happens when you hang
out with gang members, unfortunately. And if we tell the
cops that they shouldn't be enforcing the law around a cemetry,
what are we saying laws don't apply at the cemetery.

Speaker 11 (46:43):
Of course they do.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
And it's not as if gang members have for the
last few years been demonstrating how responsible they are when
it comes to following laws at somber occasions like this.
I mean, you just cast your mind back to any
number of toungey that we saw during the tenure of
Andrew Costan. There were squeelies and cats and all kinds
of stuff going on. And by the way, let me
remind you if you're wondering we're being too hard on

(47:06):
these guys. This is the same gang, the mongrel Mob,
which you will read about in a completely different story
in the paper today about how three of them went
up to a car and shot a bloke through the
leg with a spear gun in front of his kids unprovoked.
So also the same gang that held the tonguey where
the police found two firearms. Hardly the kind of upstanding citizens.

(47:27):
I think we should be cutting some slack, don't you think.
And also let me point you to this. The article
concludes by quoting a cop who says it's the best
gang Tonguey he's been to. Six months ago they would
have been flaunting it right in front of the police,
but now they've dialed it down a few notches. It's good.
There's your answer.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Either due for Sellen, whether the commander.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
Wasn't the only lady on the ship. You're making a
big presumption and you are dissing males in your commentary.
I feel like Brennan's taking the mickey, don't you I
feel like, I feel like Brenna's tay. The only reason
we're talking about this because everybody's been talking about lady
drivers being bad. And let me remind you what did
Judith say. There are three who are being court martialed.
Two of them are men and one is a lady.

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So who's the bad driver?

Speaker 5 (48:09):
Now?

Speaker 3 (48:10):
Just pointing out it was two dudes? And you know what,
like this will surprise absolutely no women that there. It
says on the screen autopilot on, and two blokes cannot
look at the screen and see autopilot's on, just saying
headline's next.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
The day's newsmakers talk to Heather first.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Heather Dupless Allen drive with one New Zealand let's get
connected and youth talk.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Z'd be.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
Shane. You know, I don't know if you caught up
on this, but there's been a little bit of a
thing that's been going on with public health workers and
the McDonald's and Warnica and Shane that RITTI has got
himself to involved involved and told them off and you're
going to want to hear about it, so I'll tell
you hopefully before this hour is through. Hither I'm loving
the police heading the gangs. They're all bad and they've
held our country to ransom for too long. Hope the
Coppers keep the pressure on them for years to come.

(49:11):
Just hope the judge is not limp wristed when it's
sentencing time. I think we'd all agree with that. Actually
sports title standing. By this evening, we've got Andrew Gordy
and Adam Cooper right now, twenty four away from.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Six Heather duper cee Ellen, so the black Cats.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
Are still on top. At Hagley Oval. On day two
of their Test match against England, New Zealand was bowled
out for three hundred and forty eight. Came Williamson top
scored on ninety three the English last time I checked
with two hundred and sixty one for five, and Andrew
Ordison is at the ground for us.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Then zid me hey orders greeting's Heather would you say?

Speaker 8 (49:39):
Look?

Speaker 13 (49:40):
Oh you Carol, just how he approximated his seventh Test
century not long ago. So he's moved through to one
hundred and four. But in New Zealand's still holding on here,
but England looking well in contention now moving to two
sixty four for five with the Stokes out there as well,
and the couple other Gus Etkinson's had a Test century,
so there's still plenty of work to do for this

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New Zealand bowling attack.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
It was I getting ahead of myself when I said
we're still on top.

Speaker 5 (50:07):
Well you're technically crack. Yeah, well I've never known you
to be wrong.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
Oh you carry on like that and you have a
place on the show forever. Hey tell me, are you
impressed with Nathan Smith?

Speaker 13 (50:20):
I was, actually I thought he was really whippy that
actually brings his shoulder over and really gets that ball through.
He was bowling in the sort of mid one thirties
from what I could see, but able to get two
wickets with his first nine balls in Test cricket, which
was a terrific Evett would have had more too. But
the reason he's in to let themselves down a bit here,
that is these four dropped catches in the field. Tom

(50:42):
Lathan dropped a couple, we saw Devin Conway dropped one
out on the boundary as well, and yeah, just there
was just an iff by Glenn Phillips as well, and
Phillips made up for it the spectacular diving effort to
remove Olie Pope and that brought that partner one fifty
one for the fifth wicket to an end. They came

(51:02):
to give it seventy one for four, so just miss Pope.
I think Pope made seventy seven, but that was a
crucial wicket.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
What did you make of rush and Ravendra yesterday? Did
you notice this where he got the edge and the
English didn't realize it actually caught him?

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (51:17):
I did see that, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I
don't think anyone realizes at the edge. Maybe ruts and
did I don't know, but it's unusual for teams not
to go up for an appeal, that's for sure. It
must have been an absolute feather.

Speaker 16 (51:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
And what are you making of the fact that it's
been pointed out to be my some of the guys
here in the newsroom that actually England is bowling really slowly,
Like I'm not sure that they're clearing ninety overs a day.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Is that weird?

Speaker 21 (51:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (51:41):
I thought that was exceptionally solow. I think they only
got through eighty three overs yesterday. And you tend to
get fined by the ICC for that, by the match
refree at the game's end, but equally you also get
and it's not going to affect thing on that much
because they're not in contention for the World Test Championship.
But you get points doctor as well if METS referee

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David Boone decides that that is indeed the case. But
it actually it's cheating spectators really because they're not seeing
the ninety overs that they've paid for or should be getting.
So that's a bit unfortunate time on their part. They
need to get a bit more spring in the step.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
Fair enough orders. Now, do you have to actually work
full time or are you allowed to have a little
brew here and there?

Speaker 2 (52:24):
No, I'm working full time here.

Speaker 5 (52:27):
No, no, no opportunity for forty winks here.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
You know, just such a nice day.

Speaker 5 (52:32):
It's beautiful.

Speaker 13 (52:33):
It's a little chilly in the tent, but I'm not complaining.
I mean, you know, obviously, but it's lovely out here,
just on outside at the moment. And yeah, just quite
a barmie afternoon, really perhaps chilling down a touch, but
just a light breeze coming across the ground I think
from the east at the moment. In just extremely pleasant conditions.
It's just a pretty full, crowded on Friday.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
Somebody just said to me, and my headphones he loves
the buffet.

Speaker 13 (52:57):
What does that mean, well, fond of a fond of
lining up for a decent fee here, that's part of
the joys of covering it here.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 13 (53:06):
The caramel slice was a tree, as I was described
by a British do you know, as a millionaire short bread.
And I just had a bit of that with a
cup of earl gray and that was delightful.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
Oh yum orders thank you for that, Andrew Ordison ended me,
cricket commentator. Oh my gosh. Immediately I need I have
this like burning desire to eat a carameal slice. It's
not normal, by the way, this is not a normal
impulse that I'm feeling. This is what happens when you
tell a pregnant lady about something delicious, like immediately I
have to have it. So anyway, I'm a bit stuck here,
aren't I in a chair talking to you? But at

(53:38):
some stage that I will have that. Actually, nineteen away from.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Six, the Friday Sports Huddle with New Zealand southebeast international realty,
local and global exposure like no other.

Speaker 19 (54:05):
I'm right.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Danny goes on the pool.

Speaker 16 (54:10):
On the pool the way he doesn't go for sex,
it does.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
He does it in style. He brings up fifty. How
he brooke? Oh, he's taking up Phillips, you little riffer.
Tied it away.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
Supermeric grabs at the one head spoils uddle. This evening,
Adam Cooper hosted the All Sports Breakfast in Wellington and
Andrew Gordy zb's key we head of communications. High lads,
Can I hear that Copsy?

Speaker 16 (54:38):
There?

Speaker 6 (54:41):
There?

Speaker 3 (54:41):
We are good? Okay, We've got both of you present
and accounted for. Gordon? Did you see that catch from Phillips?
That was actually amazing?

Speaker 6 (54:46):
Did I see the catch hither?

Speaker 22 (54:48):
I saw a fantastic catch, Glen Phillips. He's got a
real He's Scott form in this area, hasn't he. He's
fantastic in the field. He's an energizer bunny, so no
surprise to see him take that catch. But can I
just stop and pause for a moment to acknowledge the
power of radio We just sort of witnessed, or at
least heard from Andrew Ordison.

Speaker 6 (55:05):
Just before the power of radio.

Speaker 22 (55:07):
Just to mention the caramel slice here though I had
the same reaction to you, I'm not pregnant and I
have the same reaction as you made, and I'm actually
wondering if what we really need from orders is not
a review of the day's cricket.

Speaker 6 (55:18):
We need a review of the bay.

Speaker 22 (55:20):
Because You're absolutely right, all it is will be tapping
into the bar bay and probably a couple of pints up.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
Have you though, Gordie, have you got caramel slice in
the house?

Speaker 22 (55:28):
I don't have caramel slice house, but I guarantee you
within two hours I probably will.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
Oh good from you. I've already got it. This is
the kind of level of high operation that we're operating
in the in my household. I've got it for instances
like this, and I will be going home and eating it.
Why not? I uber eats it over from home, Coots.
Some of the guys here in the in the newsroom
are saying that they've immediately because of Russian revender, catch

(55:53):
revender catching the edge and the English guys not realizing
that actually the umpire should be able to step in
here and say that was a wicked and he's out.
I hate the idea. What do you think?

Speaker 6 (56:03):
No, absolutely, I totally agree with you either.

Speaker 14 (56:06):
You know, it's it's yours. It's tough if if you're
the fielding team and yet you don't get the opportunity.
A big part of cricketers is the appeal. It's sensing,
sensing the opportunities and knowing when to to put your
hand hands up as maker and make as much noise
as you think you should to try and convince the umpire.

Speaker 6 (56:23):
It's part of the art of cricket. That's how it's
always been.

Speaker 14 (56:25):
And I don't think there should be a the umpire
that can sort of off his own that you don't
call it without an appeal or any intervention, as as
some might suggest from from any you know, third umpire
or TV official, like what is happening in other sports.
So keep it pure, keep the players responsible for questioning
and and putting up their fight for a decision like that.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
I reckon, Hey gool, did you reckon? Damien McKenzie is
the best first five in the world.

Speaker 6 (56:51):
No, he's not even the best first five out in
New Zealand. I hate to say it.

Speaker 22 (56:56):
That's not to say that I don't have a great
deal of admiration for Damian McKenzie and his performance against
Ireland and what was clearly the All Blacks best performance
and best victory of the year. He was absolutely outstanding
in that and in fact I wanted him to get
in another opportunity the following week. But I think if
you really made me make a decision on the spot
about who should be the starting first five eights right

(57:18):
now for the All Blacks, I'm probably going to pick
Boden Barrack and put Will Jordan at fullback.

Speaker 6 (57:22):
And that's without even having had a conversation.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
Yeah, I was going to say, you're not picking Richie.

Speaker 6 (57:27):
Well, I can't pick them for the All Blacks at
the moment.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
What if we change the rules for you?

Speaker 6 (57:32):
Are you changing them for me? Or are you changing
them for Scott Robertson.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
I'm changing them for all of us.

Speaker 6 (57:37):
Yeah, look, this is a deep debate. How deep do
you want to go on this debate?

Speaker 22 (57:40):
Heither, because I personally don't think we should be picking
Richie Muanger from Japan or from outside of Super Rugby,
but I think the rule need to change to allow
players to move freely within Super Rugby and New Zealand
Rugby needs to get real about the situation they're facing
right here, and that is that players can earn a
truckload more money overseas, so they need to open it

(58:01):
up and allow players better opportunities, better commercial opportunities, and
allow them to capitalize on the clear commercial opportunities that
exist within not only New Zealand, but Australia as well
and the wider Pacific. And that might be the way
that we keep all blacks within this competition and let
those players.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
Play for Okay, Coops, let's get your taken on it
after the break.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Quarter to two the Friday sports Huddle with New Zealand
Southeby's International Realty elevate the marketing of your home.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
Right, you're back at the sports huddle, Adam Cooper and
Andrew Gordy. Coops, what do you think of loosening up
the old eligibility rules for the all Blacks?

Speaker 14 (58:34):
Yeah, I think something does need to change. I mean
I'm still a purist and I think that you know,
on the whole, you know, the Super Rugby competition and
keeping our players here, you know, benefiting the game, you know,
at a domestic level, does need to be protected in
some ways. But I do think it's pretty archaic having
a one size fits or category. You know, at the
moment you need to play around seventy tests before you're

(58:55):
considered for a sabbatical. But I think these kind of
decisions to actually be made on a case by case basis.
You know, some common sense assess you know what lies ahead,
and a Richie Wong is case, you know, he could
have had a case where he's obviously now where near
seventy tests yet. But to be able to head away
and be in far less of a messy situation, not
just for him, but forty ze on a rugby and

(59:16):
where they are now by it, you think they need
to do all they can to get him back. It
was a mistake letting him go. They're going to have
to break some of their own rules to get him back,
and it could well set a precedent. But you know,
hopefully if they are bringing him back, they learn from
this and they do tweak some of these rules because
it is not moving in the right direction. I think
for any parties that the sport of rugby all the

(59:38):
players themselves.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
Goody, now, let me get this right. Okay, so you
think the rules should change, but not for Richie?

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Is that right?

Speaker 6 (59:44):
Not for Richie because he's playing in Japan.

Speaker 22 (59:46):
What I'd like to see change is players allowed to
move freely within the Super Rugby right. And so the
example I'll give you is that Ardie Savia can go
and play for the New South Wales Warritas and he
can pick up massive endorsements over in Sydney. Like the
player who are contracted to Rugby Australia are far better
able to leverage their commercial sort of well leverage leverage

(01:00:08):
the commercial opportunities that are available over in Australia than
New Zealand players are. And I think that's something that
New Zealand Rugby needs to get their head around. Allow
that freedom of movement. Players who are playing and Super
Ruby can represent the All Blacks, but they can earn
a lot more money yes by representing them.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
Allow them to go off and play if they want
to play in Ireland, will play in Japan and come
back and represent the All Blacks. It hasn't gone half
badly for Argentina or South Africa, has it.

Speaker 22 (01:00:32):
Well, it's going to weaken the weaken our domestic competitions massively,
like Super Rugby will will suffer very badly in NPC.
I'd argue you might just die. So it's all about
protecting the domestic competition. Which is a factor that absolutely
needs to be considered. But the reality is that the
floodgates or that we opened the door to this when

(01:00:52):
Dan Carter went on sabbatical way back and what was
it about two thousand and eight, And now it's like
the Oprah Winfrey means, you know, you get a sabbatical,
you get ausabbatical, and gets a sabbatical. And so now
it's taken about fifteen or so years for us to
reach this point where the sabbatical doesn't mean anything like
it used to. And so now we're talking about this
because one prominent player and a very important player to

(01:01:13):
the All Black setup has decided, do you know what,
I'm going to take the money. And he's played to
Rugby World Cups. He hasn't had success obviously, but he's
decided I've had my time in the All Blacks. I've
got to go on earn my money.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
Yeah, fair enough. Listen, really quick take from you on this, please, coops.
Do you think that the next time someone who leads
the hucker for the All Blacks goes to the rugby
management and says I want to do something political, they'll.

Speaker 14 (01:01:33):
Say yes, Uh, They're going to have to delve into
it a lot more, I think, and you know, to
a few more, few more checks and balances. Yeah, it's
certainly going to I think you know, the management are
the biggest losers.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
Of all this.

Speaker 14 (01:01:48):
You know, it's blown up to a point where a
lot more than I think, you know, they they wanted it,
they expected it too, and was probably just yeah, just
to send it up a far worse situation. So I
expect a lot more scre around around where this goes,
probably some more guidelines set up and maybe some rules
in place with those that are leading it. But you know,
I think we talked on Monday here the four days on.

(01:02:10):
It's kind of gone away now. It was ten seconds
of the start of it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
Wait you wait until you see the text machine after
you've finished talking Matt, and they're still angry about it.
What do you reckon? Goodie?

Speaker 6 (01:02:21):
What I'll say is this here that people like Adam
Cooper and I have sat in front of so many
athletes over the years who don't say anything, and I
sit there sometimes begging them to say something, do something
that is going to be half interesting. So if you
think that.

Speaker 22 (01:02:35):
I'm going to come on your program this afternoon and
crucify TJ pet nat.

Speaker 6 (01:02:39):
If it's saying something something different, you can forget it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
That's a fair point, guys. It's lovely to talk to you.
Enjoy your cricket at All the Sport this weekend. That's
Adam Cooper, host to All Sport Breakfasts and Wellington and
Andrew Gordy enzb keyhead of Communications. Right away from six,
Red or Blue?

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
Trump or Harris? Who will win the battleground states? The
latest on the US election? Heather Duplicy allan drive with
One New Zealand let's get connected youth talks'd.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
Be what did I say to Coops? And the text
are coming in Heither. You just triggered me bringing up
TJ's ucker, Heather, I'm not gonna be watching the All
Blacks anymore here. That's something changed after the weekend with
our family's relationship with the All Blacks and so on.
So people so angry about it. Five away from six Okay,
so this is this is what you need to know
on what Shane that he has done. I love this.

(01:03:26):
You would have heard earlier this week. I think Mike
was talking about it. That the McDonald's Wanaka situation. You
know how they want to put the McDonald's in Wanaca,
and everybody in Wanaca are like, now, we don't like
it because we're too pash for that. Basically two passion,
too green and too nice and no, no, not that stuff.
What happened is that the National Public Health Service also

(01:03:46):
got involved and submitted on it at the invitation I
think of the local council and they put an eight
page submission and then Shane that Et saw it and
he is not happy about it. He has written he's
I think written, all spoken or emailed or text. I
don't know Margie. Margie's the Chief Executive of Health New
Zealand and told her this stuff's not going to happen anymore.

(01:04:08):
He says the National Public Health Service should concentrate on
its focus on prioritizing serious public health issues facing New Zealanders.
Content within the submission, including observations about planetary health, landscape, values,
traffic and teterriti, do not match my overarching view of
what the National Public Health Service should be spending its

(01:04:30):
time on. Hoping, cough measles, raising immunization rates are amongst
the most pressing issues facing health today. Are you disagreeing
with any of this at the stage, No, I didn't
think so. I also found it astonishing that a submission
from a health agency did not address the topics it
might have been expected to. There was no mention in
the document I have seen of healthy eating. I am

(01:04:51):
pleased to hear that the National Director of the NPHS
National Public Health Service has now undertaken to review all
potential public submissions from his agency, whether it is national, local,
or regional level. I mean, what does that Does that
not tell you absolutely everything that you need to know
about what's going on in the public sector. Literally, their
job is to keep us healthy, and they're finding every
other job under the sun to get involved in rather

(01:05:13):
than actually keeping us healthy. There are chill There are
like sixty three babies the under twelve months ended up
in hospital this year this month sorry, with hooping cough,
and they're worried about planetary health and traffic. I mean,
tells you everything you need to know. Thank god Shane
that as she stepped in there, and also thank god
I think it was Eric Crampton raised it in the
first place, so on him. Confirmation of pay good from

(01:05:36):
the banks. They've finally introduced it. What it means is
that when you send somebody some money in your bank account,
you're going to have to put in like your mum's
name and your mum's bank account. If you try sticking
a Nigerian prince's bank account and it's going to say, hey,
this is not okay. You can still make it happen
if you're determined, but it's gonna say, hey, this is
not a good idea, and you do you do with

(01:05:57):
that whatever you want. In the Netherlands, when they did this,
there was an eighty one percent decline in the number
of fraudulent domestic bank transfers. To talk about it next
insteads they've been.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
Keeping track of where the money is going.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
With both the Business hour, we'd hand the duplicy Ellen
and my hr on news talks.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
I'd be.

Speaker 11 (01:06:19):
Evening.

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
Coming up in the next hour, we're going to have
a chat about tam Trump tariffs. He's obviously threatened that
he's going to do it on day one. Talk to
Peter Lewis about whether China is taking that seriously or not.
Barry Soap will rap the political week that was, and
we'll go to the UK as well. At seven past six.
Now a new confirmation of payee service has been rolled
out by the banks from now on. When you make
a bank transfer to somebody you haven't made a bank

(01:06:39):
transfer to before, and you put in the name in
the account number you're transferring to, you get a little
warning if those two things don't match. The idea is
to make it easier for us to spot when we
might be being scammed. Duncan Robertson is the CEO of
get Verified, which is the organization that set this all up,
and he's with us. Now, Hey, Duncan, Hey, how often
is it happening that this is how we get scamm

(01:07:00):
where the number that we're given doesn't match the name.

Speaker 19 (01:07:03):
Oh.

Speaker 23 (01:07:04):
I don't have any precise figure facts and figures on that,
but obviously from offshore experiences, it's a key control and
preventative to ensure that you're paying the person you thought
you were paying.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
So how it's going to work is that if let's
say I want to send some money to you, put
your name in and I put your bank account number in,
and if they don't match, it just it tells me
that they don't match. But I can still force it through,
can't I?

Speaker 23 (01:07:30):
Yeah, I mean the customer can still make the payment.
I guess the key thing is as a customer of
the ten banks that are in the process of rolling
this out, you don't need to do anything different from
what you already do. It's just when the service is available,
you'll get to pop up message to say yep, that's
a match, or it looks like you've got a couple
of typos, it's a partial match, or no. The name

(01:07:50):
and the account number you even put it are not
the same as what the receiving bank has, So.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
I imagine that it might be a little niggly for
some people, right because I don't know. Maybe I'll put
in Duncan Robertson with an se N and that would
be sufficient for me for it to flag that I'm
not sending it to the right person. And and there
may be quite a few people who get slightly irritated.

Speaker 23 (01:08:11):
Do you think I mean the key other thing just
to call out, Yeah, you can get irritated irritated, But
the key is that the banks are also rolling out Basically,
they're rolling out a service whereby you can go as
if you want to get someone like if I wanted
you to pay me, I'd go into my bank account
and then I essentially would send you the account validated
name and account number.

Speaker 6 (01:08:31):
And then you can put that directly.

Speaker 23 (01:08:33):
So there are ways to mitigate that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
Is that already, like I think because I bank with
ASP and I'm pretty sure that I can just send
you can you can share your account number and now
it would be share my account number and my account
number presumer.

Speaker 23 (01:08:44):
But yeah, yeah, it has your full registered name and
your account number, so it makes a lot easier.

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
Yeah, good stuff. Hey was this very hard to build?

Speaker 23 (01:08:52):
Well, we you know, we're a bunch across the banks,
and we quickly decided actually, rather than build it ourselves,
like the UK have had it for a number of years,
let's you know, let's use what they've gotten.

Speaker 5 (01:09:01):
That really split up the process.

Speaker 23 (01:09:02):
So we've partnered with a UK organization to achieve that,
which you know, we agreed the requirements in April and
we have gone live in November, so you know, that
definitely was the right way to go.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
This is such a no brainer. Why didn't we do
this years ago?

Speaker 23 (01:09:17):
Now, I mean it's a great question. I guess when
we looked at when you see a bank your association.
Back September last year, looked around and said, well where
are the risks and then fundamentally where can the banks
help because obviously we can only get involved and we
see at the payment end of the process. So this
was one of the areas which we flagged has been
an urgent area to expediate and roll.

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
Out brilliant stuff. Duncan, thank you very much for talking
us through it. Appreciated. That's Duncan Robertson, CEO of Get Verified.
I got to give a shout out to Kiwibank because
I was reading about another scam today and I thought,
actually key Wei Bank handled this one really well. What
happened is that there was a fun at A couple
last Thursday lost their bank card and somebody found it

(01:09:59):
handed it into key We Bank, and then Kiwibank called
them and said, hey, we've got your bank card. It's
worth us and they're like, got sweet as I go
call will come and collect it on Monday. So they
just left it and didn't think anything more about it
until Saturday when they looked at their bank account and
they had forty four cents left. What had happened was
that the person who found it and handed it to

(01:10:19):
Kiwi Bank took photographs of it, and even though that
handed it in, they still wanted to help find the
people who had They wanted to alert the people who'd
lost their bank account their bank cards, so they went
onto Facebook and shared the bank card on Facebook, the
photographs of it, and obviously it was like, who's is this?
We found it, we handed it in. Somebody obviously saw

(01:10:40):
that on Facebook, took the details and then used the
card on uber EAT's online games, clearing after pay debts,
all kinds of stuff, and they spent three five hundred
dollars leaving as I said, the couple with forty four cents.
And the couple were devastated when they saw this on
Saturday because they needed that money to pay their mortgage
and they were saving some for Christmas with their four

(01:11:01):
year old, and they needed to buy some stuff because
they had the baby arriving in January and blah blah blah. Anyway,
do you know what Kiwibank did? Reimbursed the lot. Now,
to be fair, I suppose maybe ki Bank is like
ever so slightly exposed here because once the card had
been handed and maybe you could argue that Kiwi Bank
should have also put a little block on it, but

(01:11:21):
I reckon, not I reckon. Kiwibank actually just were being
good sorts because they just were like, you know what,
this is a distinct thing top we actually probably have
very little obligation here, stinct thing to happen to this couple.
Decent thing to do is help them out, and they
helped them out. So good on Keybank for that six.

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Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
They'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
Heither, why didn't the people put a block on the card, Jenny.
They didn't put a block on the card because the
card was with Kiwibank staff, so they didn't think that
they needed to, which actually makes sense when you think
about it. You think the cards saved, You don't think
the Duodo found it is now sharing it on Lynston.
It's also only epically dumb thing to do. Anyway. Oh,
by the way, Tom Latham just dropped another catch, So
it was Stokes batting Nathan Smith bowling Smith Bowl's beautiful.

(01:12:16):
Stokes collects it straight into the hands of Tom Latham
and he drops it for the I think, if I'm correct,
that's the third catch he's dropped the sinnings. So that's awkward,
isn't it. Sixteen past six Barry So, senior political correspondent,
rapping the political week. That was Welcome back, Barry.

Speaker 16 (01:12:32):
Good afternoon again, Heather.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
Right, you got over the sinking of the ship.

Speaker 16 (01:12:36):
Oh, it's unblievable. What's the matter with this country? We
sail in the America's Cup, We win the Cup, Great Sailors.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
Any other boat, any other bunch on the ground, now,
this one's.

Speaker 19 (01:12:50):
On the beach.

Speaker 3 (01:12:51):
Okay, listen, a year on, how do you what number
out of ten do you give the government?

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
Oh?

Speaker 16 (01:12:56):
I would give it a seven probably, I think. You know,
for the amount of change that they've been acted in
the first year, it's quite extraordinary. They had, of course,
a baptism of fire. The media were really hard on
Luxeon and on Peters and on David Seymour, and of
course the Treaty Principles Bill didn't do the National Party

(01:13:19):
much good at all, but it's at least got the
debate going, and I think that's quite important that we're
having the debate and that's a good thing. And I
think when David Seymour looks back on this, he'll say, well,
I did achieve something and that was to get people
talking about it. And he also achieved, of course, great

(01:13:39):
prominence for the ACT Party. I mean, he's not a
wilting violet this matter. And when they laid claim to
almost seventy moves that he said actors could have contributed
to this year, you could be forgiven to think it
was ACT was the government totally on its own. But
Luxon has after comments because they've all given interviews, Luxon

(01:14:05):
has essentially laughed off comments that have been made by
Winston Peters and David Seymour. But look, a coalition is
never an easy thing and you've got to have a
rhinoceros hide to be the prime minister in one like this,
because ideologically these three parties are quite different. But I
give them credit that I believe that they will last

(01:14:27):
until the next election and probably win it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
Have you got other TJ per and that as Hacker
Yet speaking of getting over the.

Speaker 16 (01:14:34):
Alloying me so much hither at the moment, No, Peranara,
I just cannot believe I've been back and watched it
and sworn at the television screen. And I cannot believe
that the Rugby Union have said, look, they can do
and say what they like when they do the haucker.
I mean it should bring into the question. And I
love the Hauker, I love watching it, but it should

(01:14:56):
bring into question that this is going to be used
in the way it has. Maybe it's time to look
at whether this war dance is done before every All
Blacks test match.

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
Well, the RABI you should ask itself whether if TJ
had come to them and said I want to do
a hucker in support of what David Seymour is doing
and anti the treaty, anti the hikoy, whether they would
have been chill about that.

Speaker 16 (01:15:18):
Well, that's and I doubt it very much, would doubt it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
Yeah, very much. And if you're not prepared to go
yes to both sides, then just don't do it at.

Speaker 16 (01:15:24):
All, because it's I think with the Muldi flag that
got a lot of Rugby supporters. I mean, the thing
is hither that Rugby's going through a bloody tough time
at the moment anyway, and this doesn't this will add
to it because people like me will go, well, hang on,
are these people rugby players or protesters?

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
You know, hey, Nicky Kay's passing has been marked.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
The level of.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
The level at which it's been marked really indicated. How
indicates how talented and prominent she was for a very
young woman, right.

Speaker 16 (01:15:54):
Yeah, you know, I don't I think it would come
as a great surprise to Nicki Kay herself to see
them out of coverage her death got It was, you know,
unlike any politician that I've seen in recent years. I mean,
it was as though almost that a prime minister had died.
But the accolades came and she The biggest mistake of
her career, of course, and that's why she left, was

(01:16:17):
to back Todd Muller and the leadership spill over Simon
Bridges and that was a hiding to nothing over just
over fifty days. They were the leader of the opposition
and she was the deputy. I mean, that was a
big mistake. So the woman has not I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:16:32):
See why she made it though, to be fair, because
I mean that was that was a national party, that
was that was driven by ideological disagreements and on one
side and in charge you had quite conservative leader whereas
she and Todd Muller were quite liberal.

Speaker 16 (01:16:46):
Actually, yes they were, but of course they never got
much of a chance to show.

Speaker 3 (01:16:51):
Just in the end, so she backed the wrong horse
because he wasn't that great, right. Hey, how good is
this crack down on crime that we're getting at the moment?

Speaker 16 (01:16:57):
Pretty good actually, And you know, for the first day
in the job, Richard Chambers, the police Commissioner, must have
been very happy to turn up to open a new
police station in downtown Auckland. We don't know the cost
of it yet. They're taking over the whole building. They're
only occupying in Federal Street. They're only occupying two floors
at the moment, but by years in next year they'll

(01:17:19):
be occupying four floors, so that'll come at a pretty
expensive rate. But nevertheless, people feel better seeing bobbies on
the beat, and that's what it's all about.

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
Anny Barry, thanks very much, Barry so Per, senior political editor,
A correspondent brother wrapping the political week, that was, Hey,
what about this. Listen, if you haven't spent all of
your money yet at Black Friday sales, and you've got
one hundred and five dollars left, you could go down
to the newest cocktail bar in Auckland and blow it
on one drink that the place is called Meya. I
think it's down there by the waterfront somewhere Maya. It's

(01:17:51):
only got fourteen seats and for one hundred and five
dollars you will buy yourself a my tie. It's a
special white tie, an Appleton seventeen my tie. It's got
a seventeen year old legend rum in it, which is
a very very rare rum that's being offered by the
Appleton Estate, and only fifteen hundred bottles of it were

(01:18:11):
ever produced globally, and there were just twenty three in
New Zealand. And so if you want to try this
particular rum in your my tie, you can pay one
hundred I just repeat it, one hundred and five dollars
for your cocktail. On the plus side, it comes in
a Ticki mug which you can take home. So yay
six twenty two.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
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Speaker 3 (01:18:38):
By the way, how cool is this?

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
The New Zealand clothing maker Cactus Outdoor. You'll have seen
it around it. It's prominently got a shop on Pontoby
Road and stuff like that. Anyway, Cactus Outdoor has signed
a deal with the Italian civil engineering firm Gala to
make jackets for the global workforce. It's like six thousand
staff that these people employ, and they employ them in
our part of the world here in Ocean Yannia, also

(01:19:00):
in Europe and the Americas, in East Asia and stuff
like that. Anyway, the reason that the Italians have signed
with Cactus, they're down here at the moment in Auckland
dealing with the central Interceptor, which is the Pooh pipes
and stuff like that. And while they hear they saw
the Cactus gear and they thought, hey, this stuff's actually
really good, so they decided to order it for all

(01:19:21):
of their stuff. Cactus won't say how much the deal
is worth, but good on them for signing a deal
like that, because that can't be half bad. A because
if you have a look, I don't know, I've never
bought any Cactus scare, I've never worn any Cactus scare,
but I walked past that shop a lot, and I
actually always think that stuff looks pretty good. Looks hardy,
it looks cool, it looks like something you'd be proud
to wear. So good on them for doing that. Now

(01:19:42):
six twenty five, Greater Wellington Regional Council is really not
happy with something that the Transport Minister Simeon Brown said
on Mike's Show this morning. Samon was talking about you.
You were a cool because we talked about the sula
and the show ourselves earlier this week. NZTA has sent
this letter to count and told the councils they need
to charge people more for catching the bus or the

(01:20:03):
train or whatever. Do something clever to make some more money,
like increase advertising or increased sponsorship, corporate fair schemes, rent
out spaces and train stations, do whatever to make some
dollars in order to be able to basically not rely
so much on the government and rates to pay for it.
But then Simeon said, to be honest, I don't think
they've tried, and it's a very lazy approach to just say, well,

(01:20:26):
the only thing we've got here is we have to
increase fares. Well, Darren Ponter a Greater Wellington Regional Council
is not having that. He says advertising is not realistic
in terms of bringing money in, because they've already doubled
how much they bring in from advertising in Wellington and
that's still only two point one million dollars And even
if they double it again, it's going to take years

(01:20:46):
and it won't raise all that much anyway. And so
he's called for an urgent meeting with Transport Minister Simeon
Brown to talk about this. But listen, tell me if
I'm wrong. But I feel like Simeon may have a
fair point here because when I look at the buses
going down well I to be fair, I don't live
in Wellington anymore. But they're just yellow, aren't they. I

(01:21:08):
don't recall all that much advertising on them?

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
Am I am?

Speaker 3 (01:21:11):
I just missing? Have they ramped up the advertising lately?
And are they're making lots of money? Bus shelters is like,
you could go hard? Can you heap advertising and inside
and stuff? I feel like maybe they could try a
little harder, But maybe I'm wrong. We'll see how that
meeting goes. I'm quite keen to see how this one
plays out. Peter lewis with us shortly in headlines next
to step.

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
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Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
I'm fully.

Speaker 16 (01:21:55):
Maybe for the first time.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
Hey, a couple of days ago, Kay Oliver was on
us out of the UK and I'd ask her what
the secret to the success was for that one hundred
and twelve year old who just died the other day.
She's done some research for us, so she's going to
tell us. So if you're thinking, like, you know what
I need a life goal of reaching one hundred and twelve,
we might have the answer for you shortly, really quickly.

(01:22:19):
There are some anger at Google Maps in India because
three men have died. They drove off a bridge. Now
what happened is that and they were obviously using the
Google Maps when they drove off the bridge. Now what
happened is a part of the bridge had collapsed earlier
this year has had some flooding, and the locals knew
it and so they didn't use the bridge. But Google
Maps were still using the bridge. So it took these
three men who were not locals, over the bridge and

(01:22:39):
then they went off the other side and Unfortunately it
ended fatally and people are now very angry about this,
and in fact, the authorities have charged a bunch of people,
I think some roading authorities, and I'll explain why in
just a minute, but also named an official from Google
Maps in the police complaint on charges of culpable homicide.
And the part of the reason probably is that they've
reached the end of their ten in India with this

(01:23:00):
kind of stuff, because it's not the first time it's happened.
In twenty twenty one, a guy drowned after he drove
his car into a dam using Google Maps, and then
last year two doctors in a different state died after
they drove their car into a river using Google Maps.
Now there is there are also some roading authorities people
who've been charged, mainly because I would imagine that there

(01:23:22):
were no barricades or signboards indicating that the bridge was broken,
and maybe they're in trouble for that. And I don't
know about you, but I would say that's probably a
bigger problem than the Google Maps. What do you think?
Twenty three away from seven Heather Doopers La Peter Lewis
Asia Business correspondence with US Now he Peter good eaveing Heather,

(01:23:42):
are we taking this threat of tariff' from Donald Trump seriously?

Speaker 24 (01:23:47):
Yes, China certainly is. He's threatening to add another ten
percent on top of any existing tariffs on Chinese goods.
This was part of his announcements the other day where
he also slapped his talking about slapping tarots on Canada
and Mexico. It could be a negotiating tactic, for sure,
but also it could be exactly what he intends to

(01:24:10):
do on day one. He has the authority to do it.
He can just sign an executive order, and it could
be a warning about what might happen on the first day.
What is interesting about this, and also unusual compared to
his first term, is that when he put tarots on
Chinese goods the first time around, it was all about
two things. It's about reducing China's trade surplus with the US,

(01:24:33):
and it was about protecting American jobs. Well, this time,
in his post on truth Social he mentioned nothing at
all about the trade deficit with China or jobs. This
is about two different things now. It's about curtailing the
supply of drugs, and it's also about reducing illegal immigration,
where it's hard to know what China can do about them.

(01:24:56):
Certainly can't do anything about illegal immigration into into the US.
And on the drugs problem, the fentanyl problem, This has
really been one of the successes that the Biden administration
has had with China. They have cooperated on this for
quite a while now and have had success in reducing
the supply of that. So it's very hard to know

(01:25:19):
what China can do, but it will carry on when
it has been doing so far, which is that it's
preparing for the arrival of Trump. It's presuming that there
are going to be tariffs, that they will have an
economic impact. I mean, economists reckon that's ten percent. Tariffs
will reduce exports from China to the US by about
fifteen percent, and that will knock about half a percent

(01:25:40):
off of GDP. China's preparing for that. It's looking for
new markets, new export markets. President Ji Jinping was in
Latin America just recently building up Birchrade relationships with countries
around there. So I think, you know, we're already seeing
what their response is going to.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
Be to this.

Speaker 3 (01:25:58):
How big is the drug trade from China going over
the American border?

Speaker 24 (01:26:02):
Well, this is the thing, I mean no, one's quite sure.
I mean that Donald Trump recons that a lot of
it comes from China, and that he has said in
the past that China does it deliberately to try and
destabilize the United States. Now I doubt that that is true.
But fentanyl comes not just from China. I mean Mexico.
You know, probably the biggest supply. It comes from just

(01:26:24):
over the southern border in Mexico rather than China. But nevertheless,
I mean, Bejigimping has been cooperative on this, and he
has bordered officials to work with the Biden administration to
try and make sure that they stop any flow of
this from from China.

Speaker 5 (01:26:41):
Going on to going on to the US.

Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
Peter Listen, I see China's industrial profits have dropped by
ten percent. How stressed out are people about this?

Speaker 24 (01:26:50):
Well, it's I mean, on the one hand, it's not
bad news because the previous month it was down about
twenty seven percent, so it is a slowdown for the
previous month. What it shows is that China's economy is
still struggling. And you know these what this measures is
basically the profits of the big manufacturing, mining firms in China.

(01:27:13):
They are struggling to make money despite the increase in exports,
partly because of deflation, prices are going down, so that's
hurting their earnings. And also the slump in the property
market is still ongoing, and a lot of the profits
from industrial companies come from supplying products to China's property sector,

(01:27:35):
and that's really been in a slump for about four
years now and shows no sign of covering. So this
really shows that despite all the stimulus that we've seen
in the last two or three months from the Chinese authorities,
it is really struggling to get through and make a
big difference to China's China's economy.

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
Peter, thank you for running us through. We can talk
to you next week. Look after yourself. That's Peter Lewis,
our Asia business correspond based out of Hong Kong. Here
that those three chaps could have been saved if we
just shared the untold number of orange cones laying about.
It's a fair point. Maybe if we just send some
of our orange cones to parts of the developed world,
it will help them out with that Black Friday. Today,
I've lifted as long as possible to discuss Black Friday

(01:28:17):
because I thought I just thought maybe if we get
the shops closed, then I'm not going to be driving
you towards Black Friday. And I feel like most of
the shops will be closed now. Undoubtedly there'll be some
mall that's kept everything open late so that you can
still Russian spender cash on stuff you don't need. Not
everyone is loving it. There is a Kiwi perfume company
called Abel Fragrance. They hate Black Friday so much, which

(01:28:39):
is kind of weird for a retailer, you'd have to say,
but they hate it so much they've actually shut down
their website today in protest. This is the seventh year
in a row that they've done it. They think Black
Friday is toxic, and they say the reason it's toxic
is because basically it just promotes consumerism, which again, like
is kind of surprising from a retailer, But you know,
they've got principles and stuff. They can people just buy

(01:29:00):
things they don't want. All need eats into the retailers, margins,
eats into the brand margins, and they can stand against
behavior like this. And if you want to buy their perfume,
you can go tomorrow. You could have gone yesterday, but
you can't go today seventeen Away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
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Speaker 3 (01:29:23):
Hey, just going back to what I was telling you
about the public transport, Heather, here's the problem with public transport.
Two point one million dollars is not an insignificant amount
of money, and doubling it is a great deal of money. Also,
this is every year, ten years, forty million dollars. I
would sack a manager who said that two point one
million dollars was not a lot of money. Dave makes
a very good point. Hey, here's something good about us

(01:29:45):
that's happened today is that we are now the third
most desirable place to visit in the world. This is
according to wonder Lust, which is a long running UK
travel publication, and actually not that bad. It's not one
of those ones that just make stuff up. It's well,
I mean, obviously it does, but to some extent this
is a survey of people. What's a survey of a
reasonable number of people though, to be fair, and it's
one of those ones people actually pay attention to. Anyway,

(01:30:05):
here we go, Number one, Australia number two, Canada number three,
Japan number four, New Zealand, then Costa Rica, South Africa, Brazil,
South Korea, Peru. What We're even better if you break
it down into category. So if you look at the
most desirable country for adventure, we are number one. Costa
Rica is the most desirable country for sustainability. I don't
understand that. I don't know how that works. Germany for

(01:30:27):
culture and heritage, South Africa for wildlife and nature, and
France for gastronomy. So there you go. It's thirteen away
from seven and with us now is Kay Oliver Ore
UK correspondent, Hello, okay, Hello to Heather, Okay, give me
the immigration numbers because that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
Off the charts well.

Speaker 12 (01:30:43):
Absolutely, Now this is an extraordinary vision of the government estimates.
But if the growth that we currently have continues, we're
going to have fifteen new cities the size of Birmingham
by twenty forty six. Now, the Opposite of National Statistics
has released these figures showing up staggering nine hundred thousand
people were added to the UK's population for the year

(01:31:07):
ending June twenty twenty three. That's twenty two percent higher
than the original numbers, which in itself was an all
time high. So we've got to secure Starmer, the new
Labor Prime Minister basically accusing the previous Tory government of
using Brexit to pursue an open borders experiment. And this
latest study has shown, for example, that you've got places

(01:31:30):
like Middlesbrough with a population that was standing at around
one hundred and fifty thousand, they've had a four point
four percent increase in just that particular area alone. So
you've now kind of got more in depth breakdowns of
where everyone's heading to.

Speaker 3 (01:31:46):
So is this actually immigration that's been pursued by the
government or was it sort of just arrived on your doorstep.

Speaker 12 (01:31:52):
Well, I think there's a bit of both of this
going on head that this is the big question. I mean,
some of this obviously is legitimate immigration into the country,
and then you've also got this more uncontrolled immigration going on.
We've got these boats coming in, but now a lot
of these people are kind of genuine people who've come
in and they've been the families of carers, people working

(01:32:12):
in the National Health Service, and they've actually been allowed
to come in as long as they've made the hit
the criteria of earning a certain amount of money and
bringing something into this country. But it would seem that
if it carries on, this is an absolute population explosion.

Speaker 3 (01:32:27):
Yeah, absolutely, How does chep the former British soldier Daniel
Khalif sounds like an absolute numpty, doesn't he?

Speaker 12 (01:32:34):
Well, he is the chap who escaped from the category
b ones, who has prison by tying himself with old
inmates trousers. He managed to make a sling and got
himself on the underside of a food delivery lorry last September.
He was on the run for three days. He has
finally gone to court and now he's been found guilty.

(01:32:54):
He's twenty three years of age. By the way, former soldier,
he has been fund guilty of handing in for including
a list of soldiers, some of whom were serving in
the sas to Iranian spies. Now jury has rejected his
claim that he was actually undertaking a one man double
agent mission. His own lawyer said it was more more

(01:33:14):
like Scooby Doo than James Bond. So we wait to
see what sentence is going to be given out to him.

Speaker 3 (01:33:20):
All right, you have done the research on how this
chip got to live to one hundred and twelve. What
have you got?

Speaker 12 (01:33:25):
Well, I did, because today is Friday and it seems
that John dennisaur did love his fish and chips. So
that's what he was. That's what kept him going for
one hundred and twelve years. I mean, he was born
the same year that the Titanic sank. And apparently he
was also a lifelong fan of Liverpool, Liverpool Football Club.

(01:33:45):
So as I said to you, he loved his music.

Speaker 1 (01:33:48):
So there we go.

Speaker 12 (01:33:49):
The secret to long life.

Speaker 3 (01:33:51):
So football, music and fish and chips.

Speaker 12 (01:33:54):
Absolutely, you got it.

Speaker 5 (01:33:56):
I can go.

Speaker 3 (01:33:57):
I can get on board with that. Thank you for that, Kay,
I appreciate it's k our Uk correspondent on the rugby
given that it's Friday and you know, so we we're
heading into the sport, you're heading into Darcy's show. I
need to get you up to date on this. Okay,
fascinating peace about Joe Schmidt in the papers today and

(01:34:17):
how detail oriented this guy is. Now, I reckon this
might be the people who've trained under him. Reckon, this
is the key to his success. In the end, it
became something of a problem because there were a lot
of people who played for him, like Rory Best, who
was a former captain and stuff, said it became too
much too much to play under Under Joe, it was
just too much detail, not enough trust. And there are

(01:34:38):
other players like a prop Andrew Porter, who said it
just became far too stressful and he'd freak out while
he was heading into training because Joe was so detail oriented.
It really wasn't pleasant anymore. But apparently what not. Everybody
hated it, and some of the players actually credit Joe's
level of detail with taking Ireland from a team that
was performing inconsistently but occasionally great, to just being consistently

(01:34:59):
great and beat us on the regular and stuff like that. Apparently,
what he would make them do is he'd make them
do so much study, so much video analysis of what
they were doing and what the opposition were doing, and
just understand they would know everything that there was to
know that. They would even know what ball a carry,
what baller player would carry with, and what foot they

(01:35:20):
would favor stepping off with. Isn't that fascinating? Like they
would be able to They would watch so much of
an opposition player, for example, studying the All Blacks, that
if they saw Wallace a Titi pick up the ball.
They would already know that he's going to go first
with his right foot and off he goes. If that's
what he does anyway, that is what makes that is
apparently what brings what Joe brings to the coaching. Not

(01:35:40):
everybody loves it, but you know what, that's the cost
of being great, isn't it? Made away from seven getting
ready for.

Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
A new administration in the US. What will be the impact?

Speaker 1 (01:35:49):
It's the Business Hour with hither duplicy Allen and my HR.
The HR solution for busy SMEs news talks'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:35:58):
Oh yeah, Cactuskar is great here the New Zealand made
not cheap but lasts and last, and their canvas down
jackets are a great piece of cat along with their
work trousers. They do the repairs as well, so that
you go. I didn't actually realize they will work here.
I thought it was something that you could wear like
just you know around the place. You know, maybe you
can still maybe maybe sometimes you wear work gear around
the place and you still look cool. Now, because Drake

(01:36:20):
is coming to New Zealand, you need to know that
this has happened this week. Okay, So Drake and Kendrick
Lamar have been having this this battle between themselves as
a parent. It's like a rappers war, and it's escalated
now with Drake now launching legal action against his own
music label Universal Because I don't know if you remember,
but Kenrick Lamar put a discs they call it a

(01:36:42):
dis track, put a disc track out about Drake. It's
called not Like Us, and it did really well.

Speaker 6 (01:36:49):
This is it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:50):
They not like us, They not like us.

Speaker 5 (01:36:53):
They not like us, They not like us, they not
like last they not I know.

Speaker 3 (01:36:58):
What you're thinking, how on did that do well? I know,
but at said that it's actually a good song, but
that that's the only thing.

Speaker 8 (01:37:04):
Yeah, I'm not a hip hop guy, but like the
verses are really well put together. It's just they use
lots and lots of naughty words. So unfortunately, being news talks,
they'd be We're in an awkward position when we've got
something that's in the news like this, but we can't
really play it without breaking.

Speaker 3 (01:37:17):
So the rest of the song is awesome, But all
he can give us is the crap bit they not
like us, not like us, they not like us, not
like us, They're not like us.

Speaker 1 (01:37:29):
They're not like us.

Speaker 3 (01:37:30):
Anyway. So yes, you can tell. It's so simple. I've
already got onto it anyway. So what happened is that
Drake record that was Kendrick Lamarch Okay, that was the
that was the dis track. Now Drake reckons that Universal
got Spotify to help make sure that the song did
really well, because it cut its royalty rates for the
song by thirty thirty percent in exchange for Spotify recommending

(01:37:52):
it to users. And then it also paid people twenty
five hundred US dollars to set up software bots that
would then stream the song on repeat so it become
a crazy hit. And then also Universal fired staff loyal
to Drake. Universal says it's untrue, but they're gonna have
to poney up because it's going to court by the
looks of things. Well anyway, they've got some tapers filed.

Speaker 8 (01:38:13):
And oh this is great.

Speaker 24 (01:38:14):
I see.

Speaker 8 (01:38:15):
This is the other thing where Andrew Gordy was talking
before about how great it is when rugby players actually
have something to say. This is what hypop stars should
be doing. They should be going at each other and
doing lawsuits and giving us a storyline.

Speaker 3 (01:38:25):
Absolutely better than that crappy music.

Speaker 8 (01:38:27):
And this is slightly less crappy, Drake and Rihanna take
care because you're right. The big music news today the
fact that Drake is going to be playing two shows
in New Zealand. They're both at Auckland Spark Arena, so
you will have to get yourself to Auckland February twenty
eighth and March first next year, so not too far away.

Speaker 3 (01:38:41):
Actually, what are you playing here?

Speaker 7 (01:38:43):
Take care?

Speaker 8 (01:38:44):
Rihanna and Drake, come on.

Speaker 7 (01:38:48):
This is a nice beat as well.

Speaker 3 (01:38:55):
Oh no, cow, yeah no, that's heaps better. It's when
the ladies come and that's heaps better. It's like when
the ladies sailed the ship. Nothing bad happens. Same same
if the ladies didn't musical Little Ladies sailorship. See ya
on Monday.

Speaker 2 (01:39:09):
If you love me, here's what I'll do.

Speaker 3 (01:39:15):
I'll take care of you.

Speaker 22 (01:39:24):
I love enough.

Speaker 2 (01:39:27):
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