Full Show Podcast: 30 June 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
A, questions, answers, facts analysis, The Drive show you trust for.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
The full picture.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Heather duplicity elan Drive with one New Zealand, let's get
connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today, The government's
announced that's introducing a new offense for coward punchers. We'll
have a chat for Justice Minister after five. Transpower is
warning that our gas is declining so fast we need
to urgently build more electricity for next generation for next winter.
We'll have a chat to them again after five. And
apparently forty one percent of us text. When we're halfway

(00:38):
through a face to face conversation, we'll find out if
that's rude or not. Heather rude anyway, anyone out there
right hands up who doesn't agree with the Justice Minister's
plan to introduce harsher punishments for people who assault first
first responders. I feel like this is a complete no brainer.
I mean, there are some out there who would argue

(00:58):
that no assault is acceptable of all. In that if
you create two tiers of punishment where you've got the
police officers on one level and then the normal humans
on another, what you're saying is that some assaults are
more acceptable than others, and that's a fair argument to make.
But I think reality has a role to play here,
and the reality is different, isn't it. The reality is
you and I. Regular citizens can just walk away if
we see something happening. Oh there's somebody who needs a

(01:20):
bit of help, but we can see it's not safe.
We can just keep ongoing. First responders can't. For police
and ambo workers in the fire surface, it is their
job to go into those situations that are often quite
risky because people are upset, or people have been substance
abusing or whatever, and having a different level of offense
for them is an acknowledgment. I think that they face
greater risk, so they should have greater protection. Now, obviously,

(01:43):
just attaching a higher punishment to it doesn't mean it's
necessarily going to deter someone from doing something, especially if
they're off the face and they're making bad decisions. But
I I would be surprised if it doesn't have an
effect over time, as the punishments start coming in, I
suspect it will have an impact. The impact of making
first defenders a no go. I find it hard to
believe that anybody would assault an ambulance worker, because I mean,

(02:03):
you know, is there anybody who was there to help
you more than an ambulance worker. They're not there to
arrest you, They're just there to help you. But it happens.
At the last count, there were twelve assaults on ambulance
workers every single week. And that was before COVID, so probably,
like everything since then, I imagine the numbers would have
gone up. But here's the question I have about this, right,
this is not a new idea. From what I can see,

(02:23):
this idea was first pitched by New Zealand first seven
years ago. It got to a second reading, never went
any further, same as with the cowards Punch which has
just been announced today, first pitch seven years ago. On
the face of it, I would say, a good idea.
So why does it take so long for good ideas
to become law together?

Speaker 4 (02:41):
Do?

Speaker 2 (02:41):
For sea Allen?

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Nine two nine two is the text number. Standard text
fees apply now tomorrow you're a landline, got this one
in your diary having a landlord or other landlord? Tomorrow's
the deadline to have your rental up to healthy home standards.
Landlords have had six years to comply, yet figures from
Better Group show only twenty three percent past every regulation.
Now Andrew Eagles is the CEO of the New Zealand

(03:03):
Green Building Council and is with us. Now, Hey, Andrew.

Speaker 5 (03:06):
Cure, great to speak, good to talk to you.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Do you believe those numbers?

Speaker 6 (03:11):
Well?

Speaker 5 (03:11):
I think, I mean there are people that are failing
those standards. Different groups have different numbers, but I think
it's right to say that not every home is part.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Of What do you reckon? What is the number of
homes across the country that would fail?

Speaker 4 (03:30):
Oh, that's really tough question.

Speaker 5 (03:32):
Look, I would say I would say I would like
to think it's less than thirty percent. To be honest,
there's been six years, been awful lot of assessments and work,
and I know that many are pushing to get it
done in the final months, which is a real shame

(03:52):
because lots of people are booked up, right, you know,
you call an assessor with someone to make the improvements,
that's even harder thing. And I've speaking to an insulation
provider and he said, well, he's been booked up for
three months. So they're just they can't get that done.
They should have been thinking of this three years ago.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Hey, but even at thirty percent, that's one in three
houses that would fail, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (04:14):
That's right, yep, And some will be more significant than others.
So that's a real That means a family that's got
drafts or isn't it healthier or warm as there could be,
and that's real shame for that family.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
Have you heard that there are landlords who are flat
out telling property management companies that they are not going
to comply, they're refusing.

Speaker 5 (04:35):
I haven't heard that. I mean, there may be some
who are like that, but I think, look, there's lots
of great landlords out there who want healthy tenants because
they're going to be more likely to pay and more
likely to stay. But I can't imagine there's some bad
apples who just can't. I think there's some who never

(04:56):
got round to it, a little bit of laziness or
lack of planning, and then I can see that some
might might be quite like denigrating of.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
The actual duties.

Speaker 5 (05:09):
You know that I could see that might happen.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Have you seen the punishment? I was reading the Herald
Set and there was an article suggesting that the punishment
that would like the worst case for a landlord who
didn't actually manage to get around to doing all of
this would be about seven two hundred dollars. And that
would be if there are recidivus, the first punishment is
more likely to be twenty four hundred.

Speaker 5 (05:28):
You aware of that, Yes, yeah, I'm aware of that.
That's the standard fines, I mean pretty yeah, that's right.
I mean there have been fines of significantly more than
that for really bad incidences where the place is in
a really bad state. Yeah, I think that the money
going to those tenants is good. You know that's the person.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
But the point I'm trying to get to, Andrew is,
if you are a landlord and you need to insulate
top and bottom, you need to draft stop, you need
to put a heat pumping, you need to put a
fan in both bathrooms, you need to put a fan
in the kitchen. Like, your costs are adding upright, We
are now in the tens of that, like, significantly tens

(06:10):
of thousands of dollars. Would you not be rational to
just take your chances and pay a two thousand dollars? Fine?

Speaker 5 (06:19):
Most most aren't doing that. I can see the logic
of where you're going. I think for many there will
be a couple of items where they're failing at and
in that instance it's better to get the work done,
have a happier tenant, he's more likely to.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Pay, but be way poorer. The point I'm trying to
do to the point I'm trying to do to Andrew is.

Speaker 5 (06:40):
You'll be find again here the right yeah, yeah, oh.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
Yeah, and then over time it'll become seven. But you
could also, given the sheer numbers, you could also just
take it, take a chance getting lost in the numbers, right,
because there's no way there's enough compliance officers to deal
with all of this. So tomorrow when we get there,
is there not a chance that the story tomorrow, which
is like, let's say your numbers, thirty percent of houses

(07:02):
aren't complying, is actually the same story in about five
or ten years, thirty percent of houses aren't complying because
a lot of them just simply won't.

Speaker 5 (07:11):
I do think we need more compliance, We need more
compliance managers, and we need more headline stories of people
being fined. I have seen fines up to over twenty
thousand dollars for really bad states. I think, look it
would and we need reskpe finding right, if you get fined.
I mean my suggestion would be you checked again. Within
three to six months, you're going to find again. You've

(07:33):
got time to get that right. Look, it's better for
your tenants. They're more likely to pay rent and they're
in a healthier, warm place. They're more likely to stay.

Speaker 6 (07:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (07:43):
Healthy. What's your biggest cost, it's not having a tenant
for three to six months. You don't want to lack
that rental income. If there's a lot that's seventy percent
of homes out there do have the standard. People are
getting more and more savy about what they need to
do to go to tenant the tribunal. There's more cases
at the Tennessee tribunal.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
So your choices.

Speaker 5 (08:03):
Do I put a fan in like book as an electrician,
pay a few hundred dollars, get the fan in, or
do I say this pretty tribunal and then not have
a tenant for three or four months and have another
check come and check up on me in three months.
I know which I'd do.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
Andrew, thanks very much, appreciate your time. As Andrew Eagle,
CEO of New Zealand Green Building Council, we'll come back
to this subject edtionally. I'm not quite finished talking about it.
By the way, I've got fantastic news, probably the best
news of the day. The jury has been sent out.
This is the long suffering jury in the mushroom chef trial,
who've sat through nine weeks of evidence, most of which

(08:41):
appears to have been the judge just reiterating everything. They
have finally been given leave to go out and decide.
Now the bets are on, right, we're taking bets. Do
they deliberate forever and like potentially because they're sequested now.
So they've got the hotels, right, So they're in hotels,
They've got a nice hotel food. They're having a break,
you know, like they're not They don't have to look,

(09:01):
they don't have to listen to their husbands or wives.
They can just lie there watching television at night, just
having a nice old time, jumping in the big spa pool,
maybe going up onto the roof, having a swim around,
you know, like it could be a nice time in
the jury box. So they can either stretch this out
all week, or they could come back today with your
guilty what do you reckon? I'm going for the latter.
By the way, sixteen past four.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
It's the Heather too for see Allen Drive Full Show.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Podcast on iHeartRadio powered by News Talk zeb.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
Heather, the coward punch law will be a crock unless
it comes in with a decent minimum sentence. Many of
these cases end up with the offender getting home. Deep Sarah,
thank You're going to come back to that in a take.
It's nineteen past four and Jason Pine sports talkhosters with me,
Hey Poney, Hello, Heather. So Liam Lawson has he redeemed himself?
Do you think?

Speaker 7 (09:48):
I think so? Yeah, good weekend from his best weekend
as a Formula One driver, has best ever finish sixth
in the race itself, But I think you take it
wider than just this morning, to the way he was
in practice, the way he was in qualifying, and then
the way that he continued it on into the race itself.
He's done well in practice and in qualifying in other
weekends in the Grand Prix season, but hasn't translated it

(10:11):
into a performance on the track. Look, he had to
avoid a bit of carnage on the first lap that
got rid of Max for Stappin. Then he had to
hold off Fernando Alonso, or former world champion for about
forty or fifty laps had to manage the tire strategy.
I think a really good weekend for Liam Lawson and
hopefully the springboard from which he can he can jump
into a much better second half.

Speaker 8 (10:31):
Of the year.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
And what happens then if he does well? Look, because
he not stuck where he is for years now.

Speaker 7 (10:38):
No, Well, the thing about red Ball and racing balls
is that it just seems like utterly chaotic at times.
No one wants to be in the second seat with
Max for stappin Yuki Sonoda who took that seat. You'll
remember from Leam after just two races as having a
heck of a time trying to drive that car. He
was the last finish of this morning. Oh look, in
many ways it's probably a bit of a poison chalice.

(11:00):
If Max Forstapan leaves Red Ball, then Liam Lawson, if
he continues to drive like this, would have to be
a candidate along with Sonoda and probably had the other
driver to jump into the top team. So I guess
we'll waiting to see. But yet, look, finishing the way
he has this morning can't be a bad thing.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
Yep, fair point. Now, what's happened to Luke Metcalf.

Speaker 7 (11:18):
We're still waiting on the scans, but it looked really
bad when he came off, and just the way that
he was reacting. He's had an acl before on the
other knee, and I don't know. I just feel as
though he knew that it was a serious knee injury.
So I think we can probably do or probably know
that we're not going to have Luke Metcalf for the
rest of this year. So what do they do to

(11:39):
Mighty Marson might be the best replacement. Tanner Boyd is
another one, but Luke Metcalf has been playing so well.
And then you couple that with at the moment, we're
not sure about chance Nikol klukstar either Dallan Manteni's orlesni
acts out. We know Mitch Barnett has gone for the season.
I didn't know that said. It's becoming a list either
not just one or two. You know, we've talked about

(12:00):
the next man up mentality, but when you lose so
many key players in spine positions, you do start to
worry just a little bit.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
Look here we were saying, and we were wrong, right.
We both were of the view that they would hardly
miss stell and what does a Lesniak and that step up?
And then oh man, what a spanking. So it's just
I mean, that's so.

Speaker 7 (12:19):
Unpredictable they are, and they go through this sort of thing,
don't they either, you know, as the Warriors, even you
know from a distance, knows that they go through peaks
and troughs. I just hope that these injuries don't derail them,
you know, like I say, in key positions. They do
have a bye week, so it gives them a bit
of time to refresh, and the next three games are
against teams who are in the bottom five on the table.

(12:39):
So it's not a challenging July, but it could be
a very important July.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
Honey, scan your brain for me and tell me. Is
there any team New Zealand team that plays with the
old Ruggaball right, so we're going union and league here.
Who are as inconsistent as the Warriors.

Speaker 7 (12:56):
I'll say the Blues until last year. They're about as
close as I can go. And Hurricane hurric that I
can tell you.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
Okay, they're out there. It's not just the Warriors. Thank
that Piney as per appreciated, mate. That's Jason Pine Sports
Talk host seven o'clock to night on news talk zb UM.
Here that the Healthy Homes Laws and ass I've just
spent around four thousand dollars doing totally unnecessary modifications to
my rental, which prior to that was actually my family home.
I had to alter an aluminium window in an old

(13:24):
bedroom due to a lack of ventilation. I also had
an electric extra electric heater right next to the gruntiest
built in gas fireplace because of not enough heating. Having
lived in the house, I can tell you it's neither
cold nor dank. I'll tell you what. I can never
rent my house out because it would fail the Healthy Homes.
I was standing in the kitchen. I was standing in
the kitchen, and look, I'm gonna give you some context here.

(13:47):
It wasn't the kitchen. It was the butler's pantry, which
is a second kitchen, right, So that's the kind of
house it is. I was standing in my butler's pantry
because I live in a renovated house which somebody decided
need to have a gigantic second kitchen, right, so you
get what I'm putting down here. It's a flashouse standing there.
Poor boy, there was a draft on my feet underneath

(14:08):
that kitchen cabinet. Wow. I was like, geez, what's going
on down there? It's like, I was like, have I
got a heat pump on? A heat pump on cold
in the winter underneath?

Speaker 1 (14:17):
No.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
So while I'm very happy in my house, I could
not possibly rent it out because it would fail healthy homes.
Healthy homes is ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Four twenty four, Moving the big stories of the day forward. Aw,
it's Heather Dupas and drive with one New Zealand. Let's
get connected news dogs.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
That'd be Daddy's back for twenty seven. Daddy being Chris Luxen.
He's been overseas, He's come back at Parliament at the moment,
holding his first post cabinet press conference in weeks, and
he is hyped because he is bringing so many law
and order changes to.

Speaker 9 (14:48):
Us, capping the discounts that judges can give, which took
effect on Sunday the first responder are extra punishments, the
coward punch. That are all practical, common sense things that
I think the regular New Zealander is watching this versation
say that's good stuff.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
Yep, we did, and we said that's good stuff. But
it's the press gallery. He's talking to. They did not
look at that and say that's good stuff. They looked
at it and went, hold on, it's gonna make the
jails really full. Are you losing sleep over that?

Speaker 9 (15:11):
No, I'm not losing any sleep over it, because frankly,
the prison population will be what it will be. What's
more important to me is that dangerous people are out
of the community. I make no apologies. We are not
We're not the tails not wagging the dog yet like
I did under the previous administration.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
Mm hmm, that's right. Jarls are going to get full,
that's right. Not unhappy about that. We might need some
more jails. Hither, the jury is going to come back
later today or tomorrow with the not guilty verdict. How
can you say that? Laura not guilty? She bought one
of those ed what were they called laura dehydrators? She
bought a dehydrator for her mushrooms. And then she said

(15:45):
she hadn't bought a dehydrator. Come on, guilty, as we
can say this because we're not in Australia, we can
just sit here piping up anyway. Oliver on that shortly.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
For ever.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Having the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines. It's
Heather duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected,
news dog said by.

Speaker 6 (16:11):
The dover Shadow with them.

Speaker 10 (16:14):
Yes now I'm going to.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
The press gallery in around about ten minutes time. Hither
we in school shower doome website specified not to use
a fan with its showering case. Two windows in the bathroom,
no mold. It doesn't comply yet if you build a
new house you are not required to have a fan
in the bathroom and it passes inspect My home has
no fans, no mold, so could never rent it. Abstually ridiculous.
This is unfortunately what anyway, somebody has text in and said,

(16:37):
hither you come across as playing greedy? Can I just
make it very clear right now that I'm not a landlord,
so I can't possibly be greedy. I'm just talking about
I'm not myself talking about my own This has got
nothing to do with me. I'm just observing what's going
on out there, So just take take me out of
it for a second. Oliver Peterson, by the way, out
of Australia's can be this very shortly, and I need

(16:57):
to run you through what you're doing with your phone,
because if you don't, if you may, you may remit
if you listen to the show regularly that I have.
I have complained about the boomers with their phones, but
apparently it was unfair on the boomers because it's actually
all of us, and the numbers are shocking how rude
we are with our phone. So bear with and I'll
run you through that. Shortly twenty three away from.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
Five, it's the world wires on news dogs they'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
Two firefighters have been fatally shot while responding to a
bushfire and Idaho as shelter in place warning was issued
for the area, but that's been lifted after a spat
team found a dead man on a nearby mountain who
is thought to have been the shooter. The local sheriff
says more people may have been hurt in the attack.

Speaker 11 (17:35):
We have an unknown amount of casualties. We still have
civilians that are coming off of that mountain. We have
we might have civilians that are stuck or in shock
on that mountain.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
More dissenting views on how effective the US strikes on
Iran were. The boss of the UN Nuclear Watchdog says
Iran's nuclear program has not been completely obliterated.

Speaker 5 (17:56):
Frank, you speaking one kind of claim that everything has
these and there is nothing there.

Speaker 12 (18:01):
It is clear that there have been severe damage, but
is not top of damage.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
And finally, police and Massachusetts have safely returned an escaped
pig to its owner, Pooor's the pig's name, Poa got
out of his pen and he wandered off to explore
the town of Orleans. Two police officers found Poor and
then they used crackers to persuade him to walk home. Well,
we got two hoses to go.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
And cracker shortage. We'll run them low on food.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
Thankfully, the cracker supply did last long enough to get
Poor all the way back home.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Olli Peter's and six pur perf Life presenters with us Aoli, Hey, Heather,
how long do you reckon before they come back with
a verdict?

Speaker 8 (18:46):
Well, I reckon it'll be today if I like another
hour and a half or so to deliberate. So four
point fifteen Melbourne time is when they will wrap up,
and then they'll be back in the court every day,
including Saturdays, until they can reach a verdict.

Speaker 13 (18:59):
So look, I don't know.

Speaker 8 (19:00):
I don't reckon it will be will have an answer today,
but hopefully we do.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
Yeah, I know, I think you're right actually, because I reckon,
after well, how long have they been doing this? Nine
weeks or something, right, and after nine weeks of waiting
for that hotel, I reckon, you want to at least
get one night there.

Speaker 8 (19:16):
You want to go in and get the burger off
the room service.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
You have you've been slogging it out for the state.
You want you want at least to have one soak
in the bath, maybe a dip tomorrow morning before the
jury service in the pool upstairs, one buffet breakfast and
a burger off the room service, and then I think
you're okay to go guilty.

Speaker 8 (19:33):
Yeah, And look, then you know, if you're in that
gym tomorrow morning and one of the other jurors is there,
then you just, you know, just head for the doors,
just get out, because you don't want to be on
the treadmill with them having a conversation.

Speaker 13 (19:43):
You shouldn't have no.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
Absolutely, because you don't want to ruin it. Just in case.

Speaker 8 (19:46):
Who goes to the gym by the way in a hotel,
what a stupid comment from me, like I've never made
the gym in a hotel.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
I'm just a room service bug of that. Well, I
have another burger I have. I think sometimes, do you know,
do you not even travel across some times where you
know you get like like a proper a proper jet
lagging where you're.

Speaker 8 (20:03):
The oh yeah, when you go from like Sydney to Perth,
Like that's a proper jet.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Lag Australian honestly. But if you travel a good twelve hours,
like let's say you land yourself in Kenya or something,
and then you know it's nighttime, when it's hass to
be daytime, a good gym session will sort of just
get Cucadian rhythm back, do you know what I mean?

Speaker 6 (20:21):
Exactly?

Speaker 8 (20:21):
If you're in ky Town, you can just walk up
to table mountain or cycle down to the caper.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
Good hope, fantastic. How good is that? Okay? Now, what's
the Foreign ministap to in Washington.

Speaker 8 (20:31):
She's on a way, Pennywong to go and visits her
counterparts in the United States. She's on a mission to
patch up the faltering relationship between our countries.

Speaker 6 (20:39):
So obviously, you know, first.

Speaker 8 (20:41):
And foremost of This meeting is about UCUS, so to
make sure that we're all still on the same page
with the UCUST but also to try and strike some
sort of trade deal as well with the United States.
So she's got a one on one meeting with a
US counterpart, Marcio Rubio, and other nations there from that
quad alliance, a US, Japan, India, obviously Australia to join
that conversation, so this is important, This is crucial. Obviously

(21:02):
Anthony Albanezi failed to have a one on one with
Donald Trump at the G seven. He didn't get to NATO,
so this conversation is very important between our nations. You
guys getting that rain, Yeah, we are both sides of
the country. So we've actually just seen the sees in
New South Aisle's warn that come Wednesday they're really in
for it, and that's right up and down the eastern seaboard.

(21:23):
They're expected to get about one hundred mills of rain
this week. Over here in Wa we're going to get
about fifty mills of rain this week. So Australia's copying it.
And I will never complain about the rain because we
need it in this country. But when you're getting it
in that sort of volume, Heather, there's obviously warnings that
need to be heated, and I just hope nobody's going
to be in a situation where places are flooding again

(21:43):
and river banks are bursting. But we will see how
the week con faults.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
So China's told you guys not to spend any more
on defense, which obviously means that you'll listen to them.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Oh yeah, well we probably.

Speaker 8 (21:54):
I mean, it's anything to go by. I went to
the opening of the Terra Cotta Warriors here in Perth
last week. They're pretty specky. We're on our feet for
ninety minutes as the Wa government just kissed the ass
of the Chinese Communist government. For that period of time.
It was honestly the most nauseating thing I have ever
been to. My point going back into this is that
Anthony Albinizi is off to China next month to catch

(22:16):
up with his counterpart there in China. And you know,
big editorial in the daily newspaper today, the Australians saying,
as you just said, don't spend that money on defense,
ye spend that money on social services and the little
friends here, let's all just hold hands and.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
Submarine through your sea and shot some shots some in
the sky. You don't mind, We're just showing off.

Speaker 8 (22:37):
Honestly, I know that this is beyond me, but our
diplomatic global relations just needs a little bit of work,
and just the kiss ass nature of it is just nauseating.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Yeah, do you know what? I'm going to put it
to you?

Speaker 6 (22:50):
Though?

Speaker 3 (22:50):
It's just a cultural difference because I think I think
they love that stuff in China. It's just it's just
too showy for Western tastes.

Speaker 8 (22:57):
That's maybe just give me a seat, though, I don't
to stand for ninety minutes and listen to all this crap.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
Oh there's your problem, Okay, Oliver, thank you. I wondered
what was making you better? Oliver Peterson six pr PERS
Live presenter, Hey, I'm speaking of Western taste though. Oh
have you been watching the Jeff Bearsos wedding. I mean, honestly,
could you if like they need to change the definition
in the Diary of nuvau Reesh and just go nuvau

(23:24):
resh definition Jeff bears Offs wedding. I mean, was that
not nauseating? So the thing that he's wrapped it up with,
think God, the thing that's finished now, I think, I think,
but hey, there's always the chance that they have an
addendum and some more parties. The last thing, apparently was
the pajama party. Now you've got to see the pajama
party to really appreciate the pajama party. It wasn't if

(23:46):
somebody sent met Thank god I don't associate in these group,
because I would have literally turned up in pajamas and
it would have embarrassed myself. Nobody did, obviously, because they
know what they're doing in this Neuvau recircle that they
move in. They all came in sort of lingerie and
bay it, do you know what I mean? It was
like sleep wear inspired. So of course the cadet Kardashians
were all completely half naked. Money Kardashian turned up in

(24:08):
what looked like a sort of like fluffy dressing gown,
but it was it was dressing gown, come you know,
going out coat. Obviously. Kim Kardashian, no surprise whatsoever, was
the most hussy of the lot. She had everything kind
of like you just it was just decent, do you
know what I mean? Just in the right places where
we being covered up. But we had the suspenders and
the sea through stuff. Usher came out and quite looking

(24:30):
quite nice in a Hugh Hefna smoking coat. Leonardo DiCaprio
looked as shady as I think he might actually be.
Oprah came out looking quite classy and silk. It was
somebody said in the office, Paulo Bridgeton, and I think
that's what it was. Go and have a look and enjoy.
Sixteen Away from five.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Politics was centrics credit, check your customers and get payments certainty.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
Thomas Colan, the Herald's political editors with us A Thomas
A good afternoon. So Luxeon's back. How's he going?

Speaker 14 (24:57):
Oh, look, he looks like me. He got back on Friday.
He's looking pretty well rested, so I assume he had
a bit of a sleep this weekend. He was all
about foreign fears, as you'd expecting his post cabinet press conference,
which just wrapped up some comments about his travels. He's
been away for quite a long time for Prime minister,
a couple of weeks. I mean basically the takeaway obviously,
as he went to China, our big trading partner, and

(25:18):
then NATO, where he met up with some of our
big security partners. Not allies, but partners, and he basically says, look,
you know, we'd like both, and you can have both.
You can have trade and you can have security, and
you can't have one without the other. You need a
secure world in order to have trade. But obviously he's
not keen to wade into the fact that those security

(25:38):
partners are taking a pretty dim view of the actions
of our trading partner China.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Now what do you make of these law and order
changes that have come out?

Speaker 14 (25:47):
Well, they obviously the government's in a bit of a
pickle with its polling, I mean, and some of these
have just are just taking effect over the weekend. So
for example, the applying a cap a sorry, capping that
the discounts that judges can apply for mitigating factors of
up to forty percent. There was announce on the campaign
trail and it was legislated a little while ago. It

(26:09):
takes effect now other stuff as a result of the
coalition agreement with New Zealand. First, so this big crackdown
on coward punches, so you can get up to life
imprisonment now on well, sorry, you will be able to
get life imprisonment. And once the changes go through.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
If that is presumably if the person dies, right, correct.

Speaker 14 (26:28):
So that is if it has ruled a homicide, then
then then if the attack leads to death and it
has ruled a homicide, then that that leads to a
maximum penalty of life imprisonment.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
Could it be Thomas?

Speaker 14 (26:41):
Should it be? Look, I'll leave that one to the voter.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
Because I mean just think about it like this, Right,
if you go up to somebody, and if someone goes
up to somebody and stabs them in the gut and
they die, that's a homicide, isn't it.

Speaker 14 (26:55):
Definitely?

Speaker 3 (26:56):
Yes, yes, because you understand the effect of a knife
in someone's stomach. So only if somebody gets If you
punch somebody in the back of the head and they
fall on the ground and die, the equally should be
a homicide. Because we've seen too much of this. We
understand the effect of punching somebody who's not expecting a
punch and then falling.

Speaker 14 (27:14):
Yeah, I mean there was some I mean, advocates have
called for this for a long time. We even saw
there was some I believe that either the last parliament
or the parliament before last, there was a members bill
that was introduced to increase the penalties for these coward punches,
so it is very very popular. We haven't actually seen
any of the advice from the officials, but certainly like

(27:38):
in the PM sort of alluded to this in postcab
today as someone asked about whether or not there should
be an advertising campaign launched to warn people of the
effects of coward punches, and he basically said, well, look,
people know that that's wrong to hit someone. Don't do it.
You don't need to advertise, you don't need to be
in public money telling people that they're heading people's wrong.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
Oh my gosh, because because someone who throws a coward punch,
coward punch is obviously going to be tuned into whatever.

Speaker 14 (28:06):
Someone would watch a TV and think, you know what
I'm going to I won't hit something with that one.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Yeah, might not do that, might just stab them in
the bicep. All right, now you pointed this out to us.
We weren't aware of this. But the Family Boost is
supposed to Nichola Willis was going to make some changes
to boost the uptake and she was due to announce
it by the end of the month, which is today.

Speaker 14 (28:26):
Which is today is the announcement, Well, the announcements so
we asked the Prime Minister about this. This is the
seventy five dollars a week that you get if you
have a child in early childhood education. Only a tiny
number of people were getting the full amount, and actually
not as many people were getting the creators. The government
wanted to little Willis, as you say, situd announce changes

(28:48):
by the end of the month, and has not. But
the Prime Minister said in post cabinet press conference today
that the decision has been made. So the cabinets agreed
to something and what that decision is is going to
be announced shortly, very shortly, apparently. So I know you've
got Nichola Willis on your show this evening, So.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
It's going to be on our show, is it, Thomas?
Is that what you're saying? Well, I last before the
end of the month, isn't it.

Speaker 14 (29:12):
I know she has what it's about seven hours, so
so yes, I take up the opportunity, Thomas.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
You've built me up. She better not disappointed. Thank you
so much. Appreciate it. Thomas Coglin, the Herald's political editor.
If she doesn't have anything to announce, you could take
it up with him, because now he's created an expectation,
isn't it nine away from five?

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking Breakfast.

Speaker 15 (29:38):
The prime is of Crystal Lex was with us. You
have a deadline for July one to announce something with
somebody who put applications into.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
You around city regional. Yes, yes, we've got that work underway.
Is a tower on that.

Speaker 9 (29:48):
I'm not going to say, go you smile what people
are listening.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
It's not easy coming on this show. Now I know
it is.

Speaker 15 (29:54):
Now here's where it's going to get ugly for you.
This business of Ikea, and I'm assuming everyone else who
wants to build something in this country explain it to me.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
It's insane.

Speaker 9 (30:02):
So getting anything built in this country is very torturous.
So we're changing our fast tracked laws.

Speaker 15 (30:06):
So this is Labour's law, not yours. And once your
law comes in this stuff, we have to stop all
this done stuff back tomorrow at six am the mic
hosking Breakfast with Maybe's Real Estate News Talk z B.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
Listen on the Ikea Consent. That's obviously got a little
bit of news over the weekend. If you haven't caught
up on this, Ikea has a consent for Sylvia Park
and it has a bunch of conditions, including inviting representatives
of seven different mun of Fenawa groups to undertake cultural monitoring,
cut a care and other such cultural ceremonies on the
site at the prestart meeting, the commencement of earthworks, and

(30:41):
immediately prior to completion of bulk earthworks across the site,
with ten days notice before each of these events. We're
going to speak to the RMA Minister Chris Bishop about this, well,
at least the minister who's making the RMA changes because
it's an RMA problem. Lots of people will I think
the idea of having Manafena would do this kind of
thing has kind of become so intrigued. We've kind of
got used to it, so to challenge it does feel

(31:03):
a little bit on the nose, right, So probably a
lot of people will be a little bit like it. Oh,
why are we talking about this? But just for one second,
imagine that it's another group, not manafenaware. Imagine it's I
don't know the Baptists, right, So let's say the Baptists
are nearby to Sylvia Park and they go, do you
know what we care about what's going on in our

(31:24):
little space. So if we could come and please just
do a prayer at every kind of significant you just
ten days notice and we're going to do a prayer,
you know, like we'd be like and no, because why
do you need to pray over some stuff being put
into the ground to build something?

Speaker 2 (31:40):
What?

Speaker 3 (31:40):
So the same thing should, potentially, I would argue, apply here.
So anywhere. We're going to talk to Chris Bishop about
it when he's with us, and then we're going to
go to the huddle with that. Right, this is what
we're doing with our phones. Bn Z has done a study,
now Benzi has done this study about what you're doing
with your phone because they care about they're trying to
stop scamming, right, so they want you to be focused

(32:01):
on your phone when you're looking at your phone, and
they're worried that we're multitasking, right, So apparently heaps of
us are doing other things when we're responding to emails
or texts or notifications or something like that. For example,
thirty five percent of us are doing weewies. We're in
the bathroom and we're going, oh look, oh that person said,
we've got a hundred thousand blink like, Okay, well you

(32:23):
can see how that's a bad idea. Twenty eight percent
of us are actually having a meeting when we're clicking
on those little things, but forty one percent of us
are in the middle of a face to face conversation.
And look, we've all done it, but I don't like
it that we do this, and we've discussed this and
it is rude and so that is the thing that
I've got hung up on. So we're going to talk

(32:45):
to an etiquette expert about this about why is it
that we're doing these things. She will be with us
at quarter past. Also listen, Oh no, I can't do
it now, I haven't got time. Okay, somebody has talked
about whether we need bathroom fans, right, this is apropos
the healthy homes thing. The German has got some German
advice for us on this, So we're going to get
to that. We'll get to that in the next half hour,

(33:06):
hopefully stand by Next up, Justice Minister on the coward Punch,
Newstalks d.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Be digging through the spin spence to find the real story.
Oring It's Heather Dupasyl drive with One New Zealand let's

(33:32):
get connected news talks V.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
Afternoon. The government is on a law and order roll
this afternoon it's announced coward punches will be made a
specific offense to make sure that perpetrators get punished more
harshly so if a victim dies following the attack, the
maximum penalty is life imprisonment and new offenses will be
added to the three strikes regiment. Of course, earlier tougher
penalties were announced for anyone who attacks first responders. Paul
Goldsmith is the Justice Minister and.

Speaker 12 (33:58):
With us have Paul, Hi, Heather, how are you going?

Speaker 3 (34:01):
Very well? Thank you? What's brought on the coward punch?
It changes ah, well, look.

Speaker 12 (34:06):
At something that's been part of the New Zealand First
National Coalition and has been a real concern for a
lot of people for a long time that there's these
people are just coming in with a king hit from
the back, causing mayhem and changing people's lives forever, and
we want to send a stronger signal that that's absolutely

(34:26):
not accepted and we'll have real harsh consequences.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
Do you think it will disinvent incentivize somebody who is
I don't know, let's say on the terps feeling got
their blood up and wanting to punch someone.

Speaker 12 (34:38):
Well, look, I mean that's a sort of an age
old sort of justice debate, and people in the heat
of the moment do stupid things and don't think about
the consequences. But sort of more broadly, it's little bit
like water on a stone. Society ever sends a message
that oh, look, will come up with excuses for crime
and we'll sort of every way to avoid sheeting home responsibility.

(35:03):
Or we can send a different message, and that's what
this government has been sending consistently, one which is there
are real consequences for crime. We are going to make
people accountable and we're going to send a very strong
message from Parliament to the judiciary that we expect serious
consequences for serious crime. And so that's what the sentencing
reform is about, limiting the amount of discretion that judges

(35:27):
have to reduce sentences right across the board. It's what
three strikes is about. And then what we've done here
with sending a single around an extra year for the
cowards punch over on top of the current sentencing and
likewise for the first responder, sending that clear message.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
On the first responders Labor's Duncan Wegg's web says you
already get a longer sentence if you attack a first responder.

Speaker 12 (35:56):
Well, at the moment, what's called an aggravating factor and center,
and we wanted to go one step further in that
say well, actually know we're going to lift the maximum
sentence a couple of years for it.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Would it have the same practical outcoming? Would it be
different than Harsher?

Speaker 12 (36:09):
Oh no, it's just taking up another notch. And you
know so Parliament sent a signal before in relation to
police that it's an aggravating factor when it comes to sentencing,
and we were taking it up another notch now, which
is to say, well, actually more than that. Actually we
want to increase the maximum penalty to send even more
powerful message. And we're also including the ambulance drivers and

(36:30):
firefighters and also corrections officers because these are the people
that go forward to danger in society and they should
be treated with absolute respect, not beaten up.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Paul, Thank you very much, appreciate it, Paul Goldsmith. Justice
Minister Heather due to see Allen Transpower is warning that
we urgently need more electricity generation to come online as
the gas is running out faster than we expected. Now,
according to modeling, there may not be enough power in
the grid to meet demand next winter. James Kilty is
Transpowers CEO and with us Hi, James Hi, He the
hell are you? I'm very well? Thank you? Well we

(37:03):
have blackouts next winter?

Speaker 16 (37:05):
No, we won't hither. What we've released is something called
the Security of Supply Assessment. It looks ten years ahead
and tests the electricity system's ability to meet demand and
looking at three specific tests, and we do it every year.
It's a role and report. This year, what it shows
is under two of the tests, things are actually improving,

(37:28):
getting better, and under one of them, the winter energy margin,
which you often hear talked about, things are getting a
little bit worse year on year. But the tests include
a buffer, so the fact that we're dipping slightly below
the buffer does not mean that there'll be electricity supply
shortages next year.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
Okay, what's going on with the electricity generation? Because I
thought everybody was sort of getting on with it.

Speaker 16 (37:54):
That's absolutely the case. There's an enormous amounts of investment
happening around the country as we speak. So over the
last first five years of this decade, In fact, about
ten percent more electricity generation has been invested in and
delivered and the same looks to be happening again over
the next few years. The challenges in the background. Gas

(38:15):
supplies in the country have declined more quickly than expected,
and so there's a need for us to make sure
we keep the pedal down on new investment and new
development of electricity resources.

Speaker 6 (38:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
I mean, it's been kind of a little bit shocking
how fast it's dropped off.

Speaker 13 (38:29):
Has it surprised you.

Speaker 16 (38:32):
I think it's surprised most industry members and commentators around
the industry. It is a precipitous decline in gas supply
and availability into electricity generation. But as I say, that
level of investment in the system right now is quite amazing.
There's enormous amounts of investment happening, new power generation being

(38:53):
developed all around the country and new batteries, importantly, new
batteries to support the STEM going forward.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Good stuff. James, thank you very much, appreciate your time.
James Kilty, Transpower CEO.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Heather do for cl Hey, do you remember.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
How last week the IID just piped up and said,
you know what we need to do to pay for
the pension. We need to lift GST. Chris Luxen's just
come back to the country, just shot that down.

Speaker 9 (39:16):
I don't think taxing then New Zealand to people is
the way forward. I think what we've got to do
is grow the economy. And what I'm saying is, we
know we've been through a difficult time, probably the closest
recession we've had since nineteen ninety one. Were now turned
the corner. We're seeing some really good signs. When you
see the zero percent quarterly growth and then when you
see the improvement in the merchandise deficit. That's the way

(39:37):
in which we get the economy growing. That's the way
we get higher wages. That's the way we get more
money into Key's back pockets.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
And there was always the alternative that the ID could
have considered, which was just cutting spending thirteen past five. Hey,
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(40:03):
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(40:25):
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(40:47):
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five now. A new survey by BNZ has found that
our addiction to our smartphones is so bad that thirty

(41:08):
five percent of us respond to texts and emails on
the loop. Twenty eight percent of us respond while we're
in meetings. And this is the thing that gets my goat.
Forty one percent of us respond while we're face to
face with someone in the flesh and a muscin is
an etiquette expertion with us. Now, Hello Anna, Hello Heather.
Forty one percent is alive because it's one hundred percent

(41:28):
of us, isn't it?

Speaker 17 (41:30):
It is well, not your may of course I did
do it today and I knew I was doing it.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
Yeah, but I had I had so many people around
me I could not go. But we do it, don't we.
We all at some point we're talking to someone, pick
up the phone and do something before we can help
us out.

Speaker 17 (41:45):
Well, look, the rule of some with this, Heather, is
the rule way actually The rule with all good manners
is putting another person before yourself.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
Yes.

Speaker 17 (41:54):
So if this is something that you can do without
offending the other person, absolutely fine. So if I was
speaking to you right now and you didn't know I
was also buying something online, no harm, no foul. The
reality is most of us are rubbish at multitasking, absolute rubbish.
But if you're not going to offend the other person,
knock yourself out. However, if you are in the company

(42:16):
of another person, it is criminal to pick up your
phone and suggest that the other person is less interesting
or less important. Even if it's true, then they really are.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
It's very Pulsedanna, Can I just because I feel so
bad about it? Can I just clarify I didn't. I
was actually on my phone when somebody started talking to me,
and because I was halfway through something, I finished it
before I actually engaged with them. So I've got a
bit of lattitude. They haven't. I.

Speaker 17 (42:41):
That's on them for approaching you while you weren't available.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
You are excused, Okay, thank you, thank you. I feel
much better about it. Can I talk to you about
this though? Because I have been railing at the boomers
right boomers are primary offenders. But I realize not the
only offenders. But what is up anna with a boomer
when they take a phone call and I'm talking about
my mum right now, she's an my company, and then
she goes speak a phone and just and holds it
up to her face and speak of phones, so that

(43:05):
everybody has to listen to what's going on.

Speaker 17 (43:08):
Well, look, I think a lot of the boomers think
that they can do as they please, now, don't they
because they're boomers, and they'll tell you exactly what they
think about you, what's your hair, what you've done wrong,
and how you could improve yourself generally because they're older.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
Okay, so it's a generational problem.

Speaker 17 (43:23):
I think it is. I'm sorry, boomers, but I'm going
to call you out on that way.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
Okay. And then what about my friend? You know who?
You are not naming names, but my friend went to
a concert with me recently and she had one or
two seven year bloc and all her manners went out
out and she spent the entire concert and dinner on
her phone.

Speaker 17 (43:42):
Well that's just disgraceful, And listen, no matter how much
booze or whatever you have, we all know that's bad form.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
Okay, So the ruler is we just do should the
rule not be prioritize people over phones?

Speaker 17 (43:56):
And the rule is be present, be in the moment,
and prioritize who is with you, over being on your phone,
and over what's to come, and over if it's not
on Instagram, it didn't happen. It's us a nonsense, and
we need to value the company that's with us, or
we'll end up having no friends at all.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
Actually, you and I could be friends the way we're going.
Thank you for that, and I think I would enjoy
the experience a lot. Thank you, Anna. Anna mustn't to
get expert. Guess what you know who you are? Yeah,
because I was going to say, wait for it, wait
for it? No, not even She was all, you on
your phone, won't you you know who? S nabe you? No,
I probably won't. I don't want to ruin your reputation.
You've got it, You've got a big person's job. She's

(44:38):
already sent me a text with a crying laugh face
because she knows it was her, and she's she was
probably on her phone right then when I said it,
and she was like, oh, just quickly stop that and
she was probably having multiple conversations and then text me
the crying laugh face as well, so she knows what
she's up to her anyway, we'll work on it. We'll
see if we can improve her. Oh oh, mars, hither
did you read Hapkins's excuse for putting people in her

(45:00):
hotels in roade Vegas? The guy couldn't lay straight in bed,
muzz Yes, thank you, you've got to hear this. We'll
get to it in a tick five twenty one.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
Informed inside into today's issues. It's Heather duplicy elan drive
with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
Twenty four past five. Now those numbers showing how many
landlords have got their house or not got their houses
up to the healthy home standards in time for tomorrow's
deadlight on damning, aren't they? And not damning on the landlord,
don't get me wrong, damning on the rules for being
too onerous. So According to a survey which has been
done by the Ministry of Housing and Urban Development, only
seventeen percent of landlords say they fully met the standards.

(45:41):
According to a separate survey by the Property Inspection Group
Company Better Group, only twenty three percent of properties achieved
in overall compliance pass Right. Now, you can argue with
both of those surveys. Right, The first one was done
last year, so it might be out of date. The
second one looks like it might include owner occupies. Whatever,
the number is horrific even if right. So let's be
conservative about this. Let's assume let's take out some of

(46:04):
the dodgy stuff. Even if you take a conservative guess
of seventy percent passing, that still means thirty percent failing.
Do you know how many rentals we're talking about with
thirty percent failing. It's about one hundred and eighty thousand
rentals in this country. That is massive, And I'm sorry
to say, but frankly, just because of the maths, the
cost of getting a villa up to scratch is maybe

(46:26):
I would say fifteen thousand dollars maybe more. The fine
though for doing so if you get caught, and that
is a big if. If you get caught, given there
are thousands of landlords out there in the same boat,
it's about two four hundred dollars for the first offense,
so I'm told. And if you were a repeat offender,
maybe you get fined seven two hundred dollars. Now, I

(46:48):
think just based on that maths right, if you get caught,
the fine is tiny compared to how much you end
up paying. I think that explains why so many of
these landlords haven't done it. It was said at the
time that these rules were brought in, that the rules
were too harsh, too expensive, and that they lift rentals
to a standard above what even landlords live in. And
I think the numbers that we're seeing today ahead of

(47:09):
the rules actually kicking in tomorrow, I think the numbers
bear that out.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Heather duplusy Ellen talk to the.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
Huddle about that. So this is what Chippy's done. Chippy's
given an interview to the local media in roade Vegas
on the subject of whether Labor could possibly ever win
the Roadevegas seats at the next election given what Labor
had done to Road to rua right, putting all those
emergency accommodation motels and blah blah blah, and and just
like loads of emergency people and driving all the tourists out.

(47:36):
Chippy has said, bold as brass to the local papers.
The Labor government was given bad advice and told that
out of towners weren't flocking to Row to Rua, inferring
that he thought that everybody who was in those emergency
accommodation motels were actually from Row to Rua. Come off
at chippy. Do you remember how many of those motels

(47:59):
and hotels were being used for emergency accommodation? It was
sixty two at the height. Now, come on, sixty two
of them full of these people. You cannot possibly tell
me that you thought all sixty two were full of
people from roder or Come off it anyway that he's
trying to sell you one, just as long as you
know heither. Regarding the fan in the bathroom, every bathroom
and every kitchen needs extraction fans. Some people don't know

(48:22):
what they're talking about. I'm a licensed builder. What's the word, please,
Laura Storu s Lufton. Okay, what you need, Kerry the
builder is a window. Okay. What the Germans do is
for ten minutes in the morning that open all the windows,
just air that house out. You don't need a fan,
you just need windows. It's called stors Lufton. You're welcome

(48:43):
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Speaker 2 (48:47):
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Speaker 1 (48:51):
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Speaker 5 (48:56):
The'd be.

Speaker 18 (49:02):
No idea that.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
Maybe the whole labor team has come to memory loss
just as well we haven't have they or are they
doing that thing that your partner, your husband or your
wife does. So you're like, now, I won't say that name,
don't remember doing that, and you know full well I
feel like what I'm saying is I think we're in
an abusive relationship with the labor party. The huddle is
standing by going to be with us very shortly. We

(49:23):
may have solved, by the way, the gender pay gap
at board level. I'm going to ring you through those
numbers shortly. Right now, it's twenty four away from six now.
There's been a fair bit of attention over the weekend
on the reasuls consent requirements that Ikia had to meet
to build the Sylvia Park Store. Now, this included consulting
with seven man of Fenna were groups on water and
land management, and also inviting Manafena were to perform karakia

(49:45):
and other cultural ceremonies on the site at least three
separate times. Chris Bishop is the minister responsible for RMA
reforming with us. Now, hey bish, hello, are you happy
with us or you're going to change it.

Speaker 19 (49:58):
I've read it over the weekend from Simon Cord put
it out and I just thought, oh, jeepus creepers, here
we go again. Is this the stuff that drives people
absolutely bonkers? Right? And it's exactly the reason why we
are ultimately repealing and replacing the RMA with new legislation.
It's the sort of red tape that just gets in
the way. It drives up the cost, makes it too
hard to do stuff in this country. Imagine having to

(50:18):
go through all that just to build an I care.
I mean, as David Seymour said, you know this is
why we can't have nice things in New Zealand. And
it's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
So can you tell me what part of the RMA
allows this to happen.

Speaker 19 (50:31):
There are sections of the RMA around engagement with Mani
Fenua and local ewi and cultural impact assessments and things
like that. There's a whole suite of pieces of legislation
or pieces of the RMA that will allow this. But
to be honest, councils go way too far and people
who grant them sents go way too far on this stuff.

(50:53):
So some of it is authorized by the Act, and
we're changing the Act to get rid of that. But
it's also a cultural thing where councils, you know, randomly
add this stuff into.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
Resource So this is an aling.

Speaker 19 (51:06):
It's well, yeah, ultimately counsels are the ones who who
you know, grant resource consents under the RMA. So but
it's but it's fundamentally it's the authorizing statute and that's
why we're changing it.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
So if you change the RMA, how can you change
it to avoid Auckland Council just interpreting your future RMA
exactly like this.

Speaker 19 (51:25):
So you've got to put in really strict guard rails
to actually prevent make it not legal to do those things.
And that's what Simon Court and I are going through
at the moment where where you know, literally were are
donkey deep at the moment receiving you know, hundreds of
pieces of paper each and every week, going through making
detailed decisions around this stuff, and we are I just
want to assure everyone listening, we are so keen and

(51:47):
clear on making the Act simpler and making it easier
to do things and we are just got an absolute
focus on stripping out the bureaucracy of the stuff. You
do need some things, but you know, as simple as possible.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
Okay, But what of the things that you have seen
here with I care do you want to make sure
cannot happen under your new RMA.

Speaker 19 (52:09):
Well, I don't think, for example, that it should be
you should be allowed to make it mandatory to invite
representatives of Manofenua groups to engage in CURA care on sites.
That should not be a mandatory resource consent requirement before
the commencement of earthworks or immediately prior to complete What.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
About what about having to consult with Manafenawa on things
like erosion and sediment control measures, storm water treatment and planting.

Speaker 19 (52:36):
Now, I don't think that should be required. I do think,
I just want to stress I do think there is
a role for Manfenoa in the resource management process. It's where,
for example, you are affecting take for example, a site
of significance to the local EWI for example, where they
haven't an elder who's buried, or a camartuos whose passed,
or there was a par in the past, or there
was a battle ground.

Speaker 4 (52:57):
Those things.

Speaker 19 (52:58):
I think most reasonable people would say, well, you actually
you should if you want to do something, you should
go and talk to the people affected by it. But
stuff like you know, stormwater treatment, planting, ecological enhancement, I'm
reading the resource incent now erosion and sentiment control. I
mean that that is just standard operating to see it.
There's just there's just stuff that you do to build something,
go and talk to.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
How did we get to this place that this is
a requirement. Manafena must be afforded access to the site
at their discretion. So they just basically say, hey, we
want to come and have a look, and everything has
to be stopped at their discretion. They should be allowed
on how did that happen?

Speaker 19 (53:33):
Well, exactly, it's the RMA. I mean, it's just a
it's a condition of the resource consentiety.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
Like the fact that this is the fact that an
authority like Auckland would decide that this has to be
in there is that we've gone quite far in our heads,
haven't we.

Speaker 19 (53:50):
Well, yeah, I mean it's an unfortunate reality of the
world we live in, and that's why we're changing it.
This government was elected to kind of get rid of
this sort of stuff, and that's what we're going to do.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
Hey, as Minister of Housing, what are you going to
do about the maybe hunter of thousands of homes that
have not met the healthy home standard ahead of tomorrow.

Speaker 19 (54:05):
Well that the law of the law. People have got
to crack on and get on with it. The good
news is most people have followed the law.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
You're looking at, because some of those those surveys that
were in the papers yesterday said the vast majority haven't.

Speaker 19 (54:21):
Yeah, well a lot you know, a lot of landlords
have have moved hevin on earth over the last four
or five years to comply. Butlers who haven't us get
on with it.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
Good ony, Hey, thank you very much, Chris, I really
appreciate it. Chris Bishop, Minister responsible for Roma REFILM, also
Housing Minister.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
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Speaker 3 (54:42):
All right on the huddle of us this evening. We've
got Trisharson of Sheerson Willis pr and Joe Spagani of
Child Fund CEO. There, hello you too, Hello Josie. I'm
going to go with the Minister saying get on with it.
To the landlords as being about the extent of the three.
I mean, this is this is not real. I mean,
this is not really a threat.

Speaker 6 (55:01):
Is it.

Speaker 20 (55:02):
You mean with the healthy homes, Yeah, but I mean,
look that the standards have since they've been in since
twenty nineteen, They've had six years to get up to speed,
and I think they have actually.

Speaker 6 (55:13):
Improved a lot of homes.

Speaker 20 (55:14):
Those standards that when they came in, I was just
so overhearing the words, yes, warm, healthy homes. It was
like the sort of mantra that was dis haunting me
in my dreams. But I do think it has done
something and just putting the pressure on for a lot
of those thirty three percent houses and rental houses in
New Zealand are still moldy. That's pretty bad, but it's

(55:35):
much better than it was. And it's mostly that those
things right, the black mold, the cold, and people in
Auckland don't necessarily realize just how dire some of that
rental property was. But I do worry that it has
policy has driven a lot of people out of the
rental market and there is less supply. So we've got
to focus on the fact that, okay, new buildings will

(55:57):
be will be consented it and we'll have all of
this stuff and be warm, healthy, warm buildings whatever homes.
And maybe this is a slow, painful process of kind
of driving all the old wooden houses out that that
are never going to comply our home. I live in
a wooden house, we can't. We can't put the insulation

(56:18):
in the ceiling. It's very drafting.

Speaker 6 (56:20):
I couldn't I.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
Live in a house it doesn't comply. Trust does your
wooden house comply?

Speaker 4 (56:25):
It certainly would not. I think all great points that
that Josie's made that this is a it's been a
very big change, and in any sector there are always
those who will get on into it. There are laggards
and that's why you know there are there will be

(56:45):
uh there should be enforcement around meeting those standards, and
probably what you'll start to see there'll be a few
high profile and remind yep to exactly right, to remind
the laggards that that that it's not cool. And I
think in our heads we can all think of the places,
like you say, like Dunedin, some of the student rentals

(57:07):
around places like Wellington particularly that won't come up to scratch.
So there will need to be enforcements so that those
who are lagging behind do get it. But also over time,
if you're think about what's happening in the Auckland market, now,
you have got an oversupply of nice, newly built sort
of townhouses in a range of price ranges. So I

(57:31):
think that landwards will also face some competitive market pressure
because there will be tenants who can look down and go, well,
I'm not going to go in the house of black mold.
I'm going to go in the brand new house with
the double glazing if I can afford it.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
Yes, all right, we'll take a break. Come back to
you guys shortly sixteen away from.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
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Speaker 3 (57:54):
Reach like you back of the Uddle, Tricious and Josep
Bgana Trish. I want to talk about Ika, but first
I just want to talk really quickly about the law
and order changes that we've had. Do you think a
coward punch that results in somebody dying should see that
person who threw the punch lumped with a life sentence. Yes,
I do, Why.

Speaker 4 (58:13):
Because I think it's well known, well it should be
well known by now what damage this type of.

Speaker 18 (58:20):
Thing can do.

Speaker 4 (58:22):
And there is no excuse in my view for throwing
a punch like that and then being able to get
away when there are very extreme, if not life threatening, consequences.
And I think we've got to get tougher on that stuff.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
Yeah, what do you reckon, Josie?

Speaker 20 (58:41):
Well, the problem with this idea, I mean, no one
but a psychopath would disagree that someone who's punching someone
who's trying to stop them bleeding and save their.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
Lives different not my first offenders, not the first offenders.
The coward punch, right, So when you're standing there and
somebody punches you in the back of your head, you
don't see it coming, You fall on the ground, don't
brace die.

Speaker 20 (59:00):
Well, yes, okay, So the problem with that is, and
I think you said this earlier, Heather, that if you
stab someone you have an intent to murder them. If
you're in a fight and you do a coward punch,
you know that basically knocks someone out and kills them.
You haven't intended to kill them. You've had a fight.
So whether that's the same as someone actually knocking on

(59:21):
the door and shooting someone or stabbing them with a knife.
I'm not sure, but you know, I do think those
are different than the intent matters.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
My argument, actually, Josie, was that it's exactly the same thing,
because if you people who stab each other don't actually
always intend to kill, but it results in death, and
we treat it right, We treat it like, well, well,
you mean you kill them, so there you go, you know,
And I wonder if the same is true of the
coward punch. I mean you can no one can argue
nowadays that we don't know the effect of or the

(59:52):
most the worst case scenario. If you punch somebody in
the back of the head, yeah, do it.

Speaker 6 (59:56):
That's right.

Speaker 20 (59:56):
But I do think you have to take circumstances into account.
So some you know, vicious idiot who whether is using
a knife, a baseball bat or his fist, is setting
out to really, you know, hurt or kill someone. And
then there's someone who's drunk in a barroom barel and
someone you know punches someone and they hit their head
and they're dead. I think that's where, you know, I

(01:00:19):
worry when politicians start taking discretion away from judges to
such an extent that the common sense thing where you
look at a circumstance and you go, hold on a minute,
this person has to take the consequences. But they're not
the same as the vicious, violent thug that's set out
to kill someone with whatever, wapping fist, all knife.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
Yep, Okay, now, tris, can you explain what I want
to hear? Is an argument for why we need to
have these things in that ikea consent that allow manaphen
with so much.

Speaker 21 (01:00:50):
Access can look, if you're looking to me to mount
that argument, you have come to the what I what
I think is fantastic here. I am sorry for I
care that that had to go through this, but I
think these are the types of examples that are critical

(01:01:11):
for councils and particularly the government to keep hearing right
now because if we are going out and advertising to
the world, which we absolutely need to, and the government
is doing that we want big companies and foreign direct
investment in New Zealand. This is the kind of crap
that has to be sorted out because there is nothing

(01:01:33):
that makes those the big money guys you know, put
across beside you you one faster than going. We have
no certainty if we turn up with a bag of
money and want to make a big investment here, but
we have no certainty over how long it's going to
take for us to get through what should be a
relatively simple process.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
Okay, now, Josie, you can either have a crack at
that argument for why Manafena will need that kind of access,
or you can mount the argument for why Auckland Council
has completely lost its mind to give this kind of access.

Speaker 20 (01:02:06):
Oh, I'm going to do the latter, Heather, obviously, because
I think the culture we're trying to change here is
not to say, oh, you know, don't do a katakia,
don't do a pull fry. The culture we're trying to
change here is the consultation culture. It's a virus in
the RMA, and it's a virus in the way that
we do development, where we think you're doing the right

(01:02:27):
thing if you consult for god knows how long. I mean,
I live on Coveredy Road. We've just spent six years
consulting on the name of the road. So the problem
we've got here is this sort of consultation class, right,
and I think it's also the everything Bagel approach to development,
where you go right in the lab form of government housing.

(01:02:49):
And if you're going to build houses, well, you've got
to have unionized labor, you've got to use local suppliers,
you've got to have gender diversity, and you can make
a case for all of those things, but you have
to prioritize. And in this case, the problem New Zealand
has is lack of competition in supermarkets in retail and
the idea that IQ we would delay another player coming

(01:03:11):
into the market is nuts. So the priority here is competition.
So then you have to go right not in everything, Bagel.
We are going to sacrifice some things. We're going to
shorten the consultation and actually, you know, the consultation culture
is the biggest problem that we've got.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
And after six years, what's the name of the road
going to be?

Speaker 20 (01:03:30):
Main road?

Speaker 18 (01:03:30):
Main road? Main road.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
Thank you, Thank you very much, appreciate it that consultation
went well. Josephgani and Trishurson Hudle This evening ate away
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Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
Heather, I've got an eight year old Lockwood that overcomplies
to healthy home standards, but the tenants still won't open
the windows, so it's still condensates and it goes moldy.
And I'm now having to spend five thousand dollars on
DVS and HRV system to protect our investment. Oh now,
what was the word, Laura, store Slifton. Yeah, store Slifton.

(01:04:07):
You know, so the Germans have a word for airing
out your house. That's how much she loves airing out
her house. But she says the DVS is the way
to go because it basically forces the error around the house.
So even like stupid, can't make your house go moldy
if you've got the DVS. So there you go. And
that's from the I'll tell you what that's from the
airing the house out German. I am a call to German,

(01:04:29):
so I think this might be. And my mother, my mother,
who's not the German side, my mother admired my German
grandmother a great deal, and I think as a result
of that, she emulated her. So I'm thinking that's how
I got to the situation where every day, even in
the middle of winter, all the doors and windows are
open and we're airing the house. And it's a marital issue.
The husband. The husband does not appreciate this, but I'm

(01:04:49):
trying to keep everybody alive in the house by putting
clean air in anyway, I highly recommend this. If you
find that you've got a moldy house, open the windows.
You are welcome. So we solved the gender pay gap
at the board level. By the looks of things for
the first time ever, ladies ladies who run the world.
Girls women in the private sector board roles earning more

(01:05:09):
than the blokes. Now. This is according to Strategic Pay,
who've just released their latest director's fee survey. Female non
executive chairs three point seven percent more than their male counterpouts,
female non executive directors seventeen point two percent more than
their male counterpouts. So there you go, no problem at all.
We're going to have a chat to somebody about that
at half past six. Just go a quick shout out

(01:05:30):
for Rod Stewart. He just did the set at Glastonbury
this weekend. Apparently it was a banger. He came on
to bagpipes, he did Young Turks, he did Maggie May,
he did sailing, he did Tonight's the Nights First Cutters,
the deepest. Do you think I'm Sexy, Love Train, Baby
Jane Forever Young, don't want to talk about it. I
know by now you're like, is he still going? Yes

(01:05:50):
he is. Then mccucknall the Ginger comes on. They do
if you don't know me by now? Then Ronnie Wood
comes on, they do stay with me. Then Lulu comes on.
They do hot Legs. He finished with sailing. He had
three outfit changes. He was sweating like mad. He did
ninety minutes. The BBC said it was charming, it was silly,
it was immensely enjoyable. Rod Stewart is eighty years old

(01:06:13):
and still absolutely ripping it up on stage. So you're
only as old as you feel. People. Let's get going.

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Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
Be evening coming up in the next hour. Canada has
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find out why women ball directors are now being paid
a lot more, quite a lot more than men. So
after half past and then Gavin Gray is out of
the UK. For us, it's coming up eight past six
and with us right now as Nikola willis the Finance minister,
Heinikeler Hi, Heather, what are we going to do about

(01:07:20):
all of the landlords who are not meeting the Healthy
Homes standards by tomorrow?

Speaker 18 (01:07:25):
Well, they're expected to be meeting the standards and if
they're not, their tenants have the ability to make a
complaint about that and can expect them to meet those standards.
They've had years to get around to it, Heather, And
in fact, from twenty twenty two they've already been required
to comply with the standards whenever they have a new

(01:07:46):
or renewed tenancy. So the change now is simply that
all homes, even where tenancies haven't changed, are now required
to comply. And this has had, as I say, many
years of leading.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
So we got compliances got.

Speaker 18 (01:07:57):
Landholds already so that there can be both investigations by
the tenancy tribunal and individual tenants can ask for inspections
should they wish to.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
Okay, and we do have people going around do we
just checking randomly.

Speaker 18 (01:08:13):
Look, I'm not sure that that is the case. I
think that this is more a case of tenants are
informed about their rights and if they think their landlord
isn't meeting the standards, they can take action.

Speaker 3 (01:08:22):
Okay, how many houses you because what by my calculations
at a conservative levels, about one hundred and eighty thousand
houses that don't meet the standards. You reckon, that's about right.

Speaker 18 (01:08:30):
Well, I don't know what the answer to that is,
because actually all landlords are expected that they should be
meeting the standards now, and tenants have a right to
expect that if they're renting rental property and New Zealand
those standards are being met.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
Yeah, I just reckon that a lot of them are
going to try it on, don't you think.

Speaker 18 (01:08:48):
Well, the attendants should feel empowered that those are the
rules and they have a right to have them enforced.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
Now, aproposial letters that you sent to the supermarkets last week,
how many supermarkets do you, reckon don't have those electronic
price tags.

Speaker 18 (01:09:01):
Well, that's why I've written the letters to find out
actually what is the state of the systems across the country.
Of course, part of what prompted me doing it was
that a couple of big peckinslaves in Auckland plead guilty
to charges of misleading pricing in response to a Commerce
Commission prosecution. There are other persecutions progressing. There are investigations underway.

(01:09:23):
My concern is a simple one. It shouldn't be that
there has to be a complaint and a prosecution for
the stuff to be got right. And secondly, if one
mistake is made for one customer, I think that the
correction should then occur immediately for all customers, not just
the one who was smart enough to see the discrepancy
on the receipt and make the complaint. So that's what

(01:09:46):
me to that system. How would you possibly if you, well,
if you've got a modern electronic system, if I come
and say, hey, look the pizza was meant to be
seven dollars and actually you charge me nine, they should
instantly be able to use an electron system to correct
that across all tills in the supermarket, so no one
else is impacted.

Speaker 3 (01:10:05):
You don't mean reasonable. If you and I both bought
a punnet of tomatoes, let's say, and you got overcharge,
pointed it out, and I'd been over charged and not
realized they need to track me down and then refund me.
You're not meaning that what No, But what.

Speaker 18 (01:10:18):
You could do is have a really clear refund policy
that says upfront everywhere for every customer to know if
you are charged more than we said, not only will
we refund you the money, but you can keep the product.
That's the standard that we hold ourselves to. I think
that would be reasonable.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
Do they not all have a clear refund policy or
is it that they don't have that refund policy?

Speaker 18 (01:10:42):
Well, this is why we bring sunlight to these things either.
Because with Sunlight, I'm advised that the major supermarkets are
now intending to bring out these refund policies and make
them clearer to.

Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
Their can were they already doing that.

Speaker 18 (01:10:57):
In some cases but an other No, they were not.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
I'm waiting for your big I mean, like, I appreciate
that you're doing this stuff and you know whatever, but
this is not the big supermarket action. That's what I'm
waiting for. When's that coming?

Speaker 18 (01:11:10):
Well, I will have more to say about that in
the future. As you appreciate, it is not simple to
get someone to open up additional supermarkets in New Zealand
from a computeritor, that's my ultimate destination. But I'm very
realistic that on the way through, while we are looking
at the various things we can do and make it
easier for people to expand in New Zealand, on the

(01:11:33):
way through, people have to put up with the existing structure.
Are you so I will deal with destroying attention to.

Speaker 3 (01:11:38):
Well you do structural stuff by the end of this year.

Speaker 18 (01:11:41):
Well, as I've said, the first thing is making sure
that if there are legal or regulatory barriers that are
making it difficult for a grocery sector that would challenge
the existing incumbents to expand or to set up, I'm
very willing to deal with those barriers and I have
had detailed feed by the end of the number of submitters. Yes,

(01:12:02):
there will be changes, Okay, by the end of this year,
and by the end of this year you will be
hearing more from me on what our next steps are
tore removing.

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
Because the reason I'm asking you that is because we
talk about supermarkets a lot, and I'm not getting any
satisfaction here. Right There's a lot of talk and there's
not a lot of actual action that's happening. You can
appreciate that.

Speaker 18 (01:12:21):
Well, I think that the supermarkets themselves have obligations to
change things in real time too. And you know Mike
Costking has taken issue with me pointing out that butter
is half the price at Costco. Well, my point there
is this Costco. Yes, they're making a decision to do
some lost leading potentially to get people in the door.

(01:12:42):
But actually any supermarket at any time could make that
choice to make some everyday staples a bit cheaper for
New Zealanders. And I think that they have that choice
this week.

Speaker 3 (01:12:53):
But the way they probably do to be fair, I mean,
they just choose to lost lead on the spaghetti when
you want them to lost lead on the butter.

Speaker 18 (01:13:01):
Well, no, it's not so much that I want them
to lost lead on a particular product. It's that the
evidence internationally is that we still have some of the
most expensive groceries in the world. And if you were
to ask most New Zealand shoppers, have you noticed a
big fallen prices in any of the products that you
regularly need to go for? I don't think you find
many people who so they have. And so my point

(01:13:21):
is the supermarkets have a choice every day about the
way that they price and offer groceries to New Zealanders,
and I'm not going to be ashamed about continuing to
ask them to put their best foot forward.

Speaker 3 (01:13:32):
Okay, now, have you got any changes to announce on
the family boost?

Speaker 18 (01:13:36):
Yes, I do. Cabinet made decisions on that today. We
will be making changes to the settings that will allow
people from one October when they make their claims to
claim a bit more and that will apply for fees
incurred from one July tomorrow, and the changes are twofold.

(01:13:57):
The first is to increase the amount of rebate, which
will have the effect that people on lower middle incomes
with lower rates of fees will be able to get
a bigger rebate. And the second will be to reduce
what's known as the abatement rate. Essentially, at the moment,
families earning more than one hundred and forty thousand have
a dramatic drop off and how much they're able to claim,

(01:14:19):
and we're going to adjust that a bit so they
can claim a bit more. But I'll be making a
detailed announcement about it imminently.

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
How eminently, Oh well, I'm not.

Speaker 18 (01:14:29):
Going to tell you precise timing. We will have something
to say in more detail, but I want everyone listening
to know that if you've got children in early childhood education,
chances are if you're already eligible for family books, the
amount of your rebate could be increasing. And if you
are just on the cusp of eligibility, you may now
be eligible. So from one tone, keep those receipts.

Speaker 3 (01:14:51):
How many people do you think will get the full amount?

Speaker 18 (01:14:55):
Well, I ida, now as you can imagine a lot
more cautious about those estimates. And they point out that
the best that they can do is really guess because
it depends on whose plans.

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
At the moment, it's only two hundred and fifty people
a which is pitiful.

Speaker 18 (01:15:11):
Well, as I say, we're going to increase the amount
of rebate that people are eligible for, So that means
that the overall number of people who can get that
maximum seventy five dollars will increase.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
Two hundred and fifty one. Will it be?

Speaker 18 (01:15:25):
It will be, it will be more, it will be more.
Here that are the changes that we've made. We've been
advised will result in thousands more people getting family boost
payments and thousands of people getting hundreds of dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
It's coming at yeahs payments. What's the price per square
meter of the wall carpet?

Speaker 18 (01:15:44):
Oh my gosh, I knew you'd ask. And do you
know my team said, should we try and wheedle it
out of coying or so you can tell here that
I said no. This is now a point of principle
when Crown entities sign commercial contracts and they do not
disclose those facts to ministers. Ministers don't think behind the bike.
You can say, please, can you tell me so I
can tell you that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:03):
So old mate who was just saying we need all
the sunlight is now on a point of principle not
wanting any sunlight on this.

Speaker 18 (01:16:10):
Well, it's just that it's not appropriate for me to
be going into the ins and outs of commercially sensitive contracts.
But you are right to put sunlight on this. Which
is they have confirmed for me that it is no
more than the price that they were otherwise going to
be paying for nylon carpets to be installed. Isn't that
a glorious windows logging this? Nicholas point better prodding this?

Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
Yeah, okay, thank you, I appreciate it. Niicola willis Finance minister.
This will come back, just mark my words seventeen past six.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
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Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
Heather read Nicola Willison the supermarkets pack and Save email
today had a bright yellow box at the bottom stating
if we overcharge you, you keep the goods for free. Get
a refund must be related previously used to be overcharged,
and they just corrected the price to me when I
pointed out, Look, I suspect that there is a little
bit of hurrying up that's going on with the supermarkets
read this kind of thing like the refund policy, and
I suspect that there's a bit of a tweaking to

(01:17:09):
kind of match the competitor's refund policy and so on.
But this is not the structural stuff that's going to
make a huge difference, is it. So look, I'm forthwith
banning any more discussion with Nikola Willis about supermarket reform
for the rest of the year unless it's massive, because
I can guarantee you right, she's been talking about this
now for months and months and months stretching back into
last year, and yet and we've been talking about structural reforms,

(01:17:33):
talking about structural reforms. Talking about structural reform. Nothing's happened.
It's just nonsense with pricing and electronic price tags and
stuff like that. And I guarantee you between now and
the end of the year, there will be multiple supermarket conversations,
There'll be consultations, RFIs letters that are being sent, and
none of it will make actually a massive difference, because
what we're waiting for is what are we doing with
the structural stuff which actually makes a massive difference. So

(01:17:54):
we're banning it. We're just not going to talk about
it until it's actually worth talking about, because otherwise we're
just getting taken for full by the National Party. Six
twenty one, Shane solely harbor ascic management with me. Now, heys, Shane,
get out here there. Okay. So what's happened with the
Canadian government and the US government?

Speaker 6 (01:18:09):
Yeah, So on Friday afternoon, mister Trump said, look, it's
on social media. We're going to stop, going to terminate
trade discussions because the Canadians are going to put in
place a digital services tax on Monday. Well funny, then
this afternoon is on time. The Canadian government rescinded the
planned digital services tax on the basis they're going to
try and reopen trade talks. In fact, they've actually come

(01:18:30):
out said, look, we want to have a trade deal
with US by the twenty fifth of July. And of
course this clock's ticking either for the July at night
tariff negotiations, So there's a bit of a deadline out there.
We expect perhaps some other countries do some of my things, UK, France, Spain,
They've all got these types of things they want to
get back onside with the White House. So capital markets,
we all think the can is going to get kicked

(01:18:51):
down the road, but the dealers get extended. But you
know there will be some violatility around it nonetheless.

Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
Yeah, and so what happened with the US share market
that it hit those highs.

Speaker 6 (01:19:00):
Yeah, so we hit all time highs on Friday. You know,
it's a bit of a combination of these geopolitical rests
falling some more positive trade tarwer deal rhetoric, particularly between
US and China and Europe. There's a bit of a
setup going on there. And also the US fit a
reserve rate cut hope, So a bit of a combination there.
That opposite, we had some weaker US data out on Friday.

(01:19:22):
Growth indicators down and inflation indicator has been quite stubborn,
so there's been a few offsets, but net net positive outcome.

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
How's our economy looking at the moment?

Speaker 6 (01:19:33):
Interesting day to day we had the A Business Confidence
in the indicator out for June that was actually showed
a really strong bounce from very low levels. But against that,
we've had employment data which is this actual job growth
is pretty sluggish, which won't be a surprise for some
people out there. It's sort of drop into the A
Z business confidence number. It actually went to forty six
point three. That means the economy is still below an

(01:19:54):
expansion level. But the really important thing here is a
big bounce and own activity. This is business are saying
we think we're going to get better, out to forty
point nine from last month month thirty four point eight.
And the really important thing here the government might be
keen to see that there's been a big lift in
investment intensions up from nine points to nine point nine.
The accept the leading the way. Unfortunately, as I say,

(01:20:17):
these job growth numbers for May pretty sluggish, only up
point one of a percent month or month, which means
we're actually down one point five percent for the year
to two point three five million, So pretty choppy out
the header as we know, but the indicators, there's a
bit of sunshine we are with potentially on the custom
of the economic expansion.

Speaker 3 (01:20:34):
Yeah, I'm so happy to hear at Shane. Thank you
very much, appreciate it, Shane, Sally Harbor Asset Management. Heather,
give it a rest on the carpet price. You're never
going to get it, no, Ken, I know when you're beaten.
I am beaten. I give up six twenty four.

Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
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Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
Sex twenty six. Hey, listen, here's a bit of showbiz
news for you that you need to get yourself across.
Apple Studios is responsible for making f one. It may,
in fact, this is the movie that's in the cinemas
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our jobs. If you can't run up America, no pressure.
You can see why it's exciting. It's made by the
same guys who made Top Gun Maverick and has got
Brad Pitt in the starring role. It has grossed one
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It's still got a way to go if it's going
to earn back its budget budget was two hundred million dollars. Interestingly,

(01:21:48):
if one made forty million dollars by selling brand sponsorships
within the movie as in like product placement. For example,
Mercedes had its branding all over Brad Pits car and
racing suit. So if you're looking for something to go see,
just by the sheer number of people going to that
one might be worth it. Look, if you've got a minute,
you've got a chance, go and have a look at

(01:22:09):
the video which is on media at the moment of
the kid's shoulder charging the reef in Tartanaki. Because we've
been speaking about what's been going on with refs and
local rugby games and stuff, this is quite something to see.
It's blurred, so it does it obscures to some extent
what happens because they're trying to protect the identity of
the kid CE seventeen. But the kid lines the reef
up right. The reef's looking in this direction. Kids behind

(01:22:29):
him lines him up, shoulder charges him like really hard
to the extent, and this kid is taller than the
reef by at least ahead. Reef falls over, kid walks away,
gives the crowd a little cheeky shucker. I feel like
I'm a cool day. Got a thirty six month match
band rather thirty six match band for that. That basically
means he almosts out on three years worth of premiere

(01:22:50):
Premier matches. Watch that video and tell me he doesn't
deserve it. Now, I'd be surprised if that punishment holds,
because you know we always goes oft in the end.
But go look at it and tell me he doesn't
deserve it. Headlines next.

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
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Speaker 13 (01:23:23):
Till they're feeling down.

Speaker 3 (01:23:25):
Just sk you have that would Ray is going to
be us out of the UK in ten minutes time.
Happy to say Ali and Anna have got their halipad
out at Herne Bay. This is Ali Williams and Anamobra.
It's been a long long battle to be able to
get permission to land the chopper on the lawn, but

(01:23:47):
finally they have with the consenting authority. I think it
was Allland Council said the noise from a chopper is
not unreasonable, but there are some conditions. They're only allowed
two flights per day and they're only allowed ten flights.
It's per month. Now you do the maths on that.
Your two flights per day is basically you do that
once a week, and that's it, right. Ten flights a

(01:24:07):
month is only basically two flights a week, and then
maybe you've got a couple spare for an emergency. So
if they do, it's just all it's gonna work out
is two flights a week. I don't think that that
is unreasonable, and probably I would imagine a lot less
than they would have liked. So they're gonna have to
ration that out. I mean, because do you think it's
like is it if they go to the Corimandle. If

(01:24:32):
they fly to the Corimandle and the chopper, I don't
know if they've got somewhere where they can store the
chopper there. They may have to send the chopper back
to the house to land on the front lawn. So
if they take the chopper to the cormandle and then
send it back, that's your two flights. So now you've
got to stand the cormandle for a week, don't you,
because then you've got to then next week you can
use it again so it can come and get you.
I mean, this is gonna be hard. There's a lot
of mental load and planning this out. Twenty two away

(01:24:53):
from seven, we need to talk about the gender pay gap.
And no not in the way that you think we're
about to talk about the gender pay gap. In a
sup to us, the latest survey of New Zealand company
directors shows that female directors are in fact earning more
than their male counterparts. Kathy Hendry is Strategic pays Managing Director.
They've done the survey and is with us. Now, Hey, Kathy, hi,
there were you surprised by this?

Speaker 4 (01:25:15):
Ah?

Speaker 3 (01:25:15):
Yeah, we were surprised earning more?

Speaker 22 (01:25:22):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean it was off. It does
off a backdrop of sort of quite an underrepresentation, so
you know, but it's good to see in the private
sector at least that you know they are earning a
bit more.

Speaker 3 (01:25:35):
Yeah, I was kind of surprised that at least one
of the categories, female non executive directors rather than chairs
obviously earned seventeen percent more in their fees. How on
is what's going on?

Speaker 6 (01:25:48):
Right?

Speaker 22 (01:25:48):
Well, so when we actually looked at it, it's to
do with where the which sort of boards the woman
are sitting on. So what we're seeing, it's it's quite
a small sample around just sort of over three one
hundred or three hundred and ninety two directorships. And what
we're seeing is that while the women aren't making up
much of a much of the sample, they're sitting on

(01:26:10):
the large more likely to be sitting on a large
listed orcs and they pay a lot more. And so
that's actually what's driving those gaps that we're seeing.

Speaker 3 (01:26:18):
Yeah, Okay, is this actually what we want? Do we
actually want? Do we want women to be paid significantly
more than men or do we actually want it to
end up kind of roughly the same?

Speaker 22 (01:26:29):
Well, they're going to be game, Yeah, we do.

Speaker 5 (01:26:32):
We want them.

Speaker 22 (01:26:32):
We want fear paid. Don't we want to see male
and females being paid fairly for the work they're doing.
And so I think in this instance, so what we're
seeing is when they're sitting on the board with their
male counterparts are getting paid the same. But it's more
when you look across the whole farm pool of directors
and where the women are sitting compared to the whole

(01:26:53):
sampoole of directors across board businesses, that's what we're seeing
that camp.

Speaker 3 (01:26:57):
Right, Okay, but yeah, so I mean this just proves that,
doesn't this show up the fact that we are really
not comparing apples with apples in whether we're whether we're
comparing it in order to show that women are being
paid more or comparing it to show that women are
being paid less. Stats Telfords, don't they?

Speaker 12 (01:27:15):
Oh?

Speaker 22 (01:27:15):
I know, I mean I don't think so. You know,
when we actually look at and when you look at
pay gaps across we've got a really large database and
when we look we can see you know, similar size roles,
and we can see gaps between male and female pay
there as well. So when you are looking apples for apples, yes,

(01:27:37):
the big headlines in this instance, we're looking across a
whole sample. But you know, and so that that's going
to be giving us more dramatic gaps, which is, you know,
which is newsworthy. But you know, when you actually start
breaking it down and looking at the samples, you know
you're still seeing time and time again that women are

(01:27:59):
getting paid less than their male counterparts.

Speaker 3 (01:28:01):
But aren't these women on these listed companies being paid
the same as their male counterparts on the listed companies?
Yes they are, Yes, are being paid the same.

Speaker 22 (01:28:13):
So the woman that so, I suppose the first question
is why we only see such a really small proportion
of women getting into these larger listed orcs. Why you know,
why are we only seeing sort of one or two
represented on large listed boards versus their male counterparts when
we've got you know, equal representation of women and men

(01:28:33):
and and you know being born and entering into the workforce,
and also women being are actually in New Zealand are
actually often more more likely to be better educated.

Speaker 3 (01:28:46):
Than what do you think it is?

Speaker 22 (01:28:49):
I think I think the issue is is that we're
just not seeing the same representation at senior levels either,
and so it's what it's flowing through.

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
It's still the case, Kathy, Or is it changing that's changing?

Speaker 22 (01:29:05):
It is changing, Yeah, it's brilliant to say. I mean,
even in the director's sample back in twenty fourteen, you know,
women only made up fourteen percent of chairs in the sample,
and now they're up at twenty eight.

Speaker 3 (01:29:17):
Well, can I answer that question for you?

Speaker 23 (01:29:18):
Then?

Speaker 3 (01:29:18):
Maybe is it possible that the reason that we have
such such small representation of women on these these very
very in these very very senior levels on boards is
because we haven't for a long time seen women represented
at the executive levels of businesses, right, and so you
have to give women some years to get some experience
there in order to then feed through to the board level.
So it will happen. You just need to give it

(01:29:39):
a bit of ten.

Speaker 17 (01:29:40):
It will happen.

Speaker 22 (01:29:41):
Corrects correct, Yeah, absolutely, And I mean the positives here
is that you're seeing when they are getting on the boards,
they are getting into these larger listed orcs too, which
is great.

Speaker 3 (01:29:51):
Kathy, Thank you, I really appreciate it. Thank you so much,
Kathy Henry, Managing director at Strategic Pay. There we go,
ladies are taken over.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
Duplicy, Ellen, I mean, I am, I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:30:02):
Slightly tag and cheap, But what I mean is we
don't need to stress it. I just think we overstress
about this. Time is going to fix time. It heals everything,
doesn't it.

Speaker 23 (01:30:09):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:30:09):
Netflix and Apple have thrown their toys out of the
cot over so well, I mean that I'm probably overstating it.
They're just they've the pushing back against an idea that
the government's had. So the government's had an idea that
they should be forced these streaming services to have a
certain proportion of their programming be locally made, right, So
maybe I don't know where that said a two percent

(01:30:30):
local content, five percent local content whatever, They're not into it.
Netflix has said back to the government, has said, look,
there's no barrier for kiwis to go out there and
enjoy as much New Zealand content as they want. They
just need to go out and find it. There is
no data that indicates New Zealanders are demanding greater access
to local content, let alone that they expect that from
streaming television companies from which they would need to pay

(01:30:52):
to access it, the company says, And Apple's had its
own views on it as well. Can I just point
out though, and this always surprises me, Sky, which is
the owner of Neon, has a lot of TV content,
more than fifty home grown titles, including local productions, which
were commissioned by Sky. And I don't know why I
didn't realize that for years and years and years I

(01:31:13):
was I was chatting to a guy from Sky. He
was like, we commissioned local content, and I could not
compute because I had just thought that it was TVNZ
and TV three who were the only guys who commissioned
local content. Sky meanwhile just on the quiet, just being
absolute legends and commissioning heaps of local content which actually
does quite well for them. So if you look and
if you've got the streaming services and you're thinking I

(01:31:35):
need to watch some some key we made stuff there,
you go go to Neon as well.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
Quarter two croating the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:31:42):
It's heather due for Celan with the business hour and
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Speaker 3 (01:31:52):
Hey out of the UK with us. We've got Gavin Gray, Hello, Gavin.
Hi that well, it is going to get hot in
Southern Europe, isn't.

Speaker 12 (01:31:59):
It It is?

Speaker 10 (01:32:00):
Yes, it's already hot and it's getting hotter today. So
yesterday Southern Spain recorded forty six celsius in Barcelona one
woman died after completing a shift as a road sweeper
in very high temperatures. Hot air from North Africa has
really spread north and across the Balkans as well to

(01:32:21):
Southern Europe and the holiday destinations like Croatia leading to
these really soaring temperatures and Italy, Greece, Spain, France and
Portugala all among the countries affected. There are wildfires currently
in Greece and the weather forecast is saying it's a
very very intense period of heat for this time of year. Normally,

(01:32:43):
high temperatures like this are recorded late July early August,
so to have them mid to late June as they've
been experiencing, but particularly peaking now is pretty devastating. Here
in the UK, it was thirty one celsius in London yesterday,
thirty three predicted today and today is the opening day
of the Wimbledon Tennis Championships. That'll make it the hottest

(01:33:06):
opening day ever in history.

Speaker 3 (01:33:09):
Now, Gevin, what do you make of this controversy around Glastonbury?

Speaker 2 (01:33:13):
Yeah, very interesting.

Speaker 6 (01:33:14):
This so some.

Speaker 10 (01:33:17):
Groups were performing at Glastonbury live on television, among them
Bob Villain this is a rap punk duo and during
their set, as I said, live broadcast, the rapper Bobby
Villain led chance of free, free Palestine and death death
to the IDF that's the Israel Defense Forces. Now this

(01:33:39):
was broadcast live. Glastonbury did nothing to pull the plug
on them, and some are saying this is effectively hate speech.

Speaker 2 (01:33:46):
The UK has.

Speaker 10 (01:33:47):
Joined in now saying it was appalling. The music Festival
Glastonbury organizers say that they were appalled by what was
done and Prime Minister labeling it as hate speech, saying
the BBC now has questions to answer over the live
broadcast why it didn't pull the plug. This is certainly
going to rattle on for some considerable time. There are

(01:34:08):
others saying, look, you know, all they were doing was
pointing out what's going on in Gaza and Palestine, just saying,
you know, it's all terrible there. But this call for
death to Israel Defense Forces I think has crossed the line,
has taken it further, and the BBC very much in
the firing line, along with the Wrap Punk duo and

(01:34:32):
police in Somerset, which is where the county where Glastonbury
is also investigating complaints they've had about it being discriminatory language.
And deeply offensive.

Speaker 3 (01:34:42):
Okay, now I see in the UK there is this
project right to create the building blocks of human life
from scratched. It's from scratch, I imagine this is hugely controversial.

Speaker 10 (01:34:53):
Yes it is, and it's why it's taken so long
actually to get the go ahead. The Welcome Trust that's
the World Large Just Medical charity has given an initial
twenty two million New Zealand dollars to start this project.
It's being conducted around the world, but with pretty several
bases in and around Cambridge where there's a research team there.

(01:35:15):
What they hope is this will help improve people's lives
as they age, lead to healthier aging with less disease
as they get older, and accelerate treatments for many incurable diseases. However,
what critics say is this will lead to designer babies.
In other words, people pretty much designing the baby they
want via a DNA and also unforeseen changes in future generations. So, Heather,

(01:35:42):
basically every cell in our body contains this molecule called DNA.
It's made of four smaller blocks, and those patterns between
the four smaller blocks AGCT are repeated over and over
again in various combinations, and that is all the genetic
information we need. Now we know that much, and also
we now know that it can be read like a
barcode in our body. Bizarrely, the question is, though researchers

(01:36:05):
want to create parts of these molecules and maybe one
day all of the molecules. So they were going molecule
by molecule from scratch, and that would mean you could
effectively construct a human And this is deeply worrying for
many people who are you know, just concerned that he's
going to get in the wrong hands.

Speaker 6 (01:36:23):
Frankly, you took me.

Speaker 3 (01:36:24):
Back to science class AGCT Thank you very much, Kevin,
I appreciated. Gavin Gray UK corresponding here that zero has
three women in the C suite CEO cfo CTO. There
we go, future board members. Eight away from seven.

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Speaker 3 (01:36:44):
Hey, this is fascinating. Keep an eye, keep an eye
on this. Chap who is running as the Democratic candidate
for New York City for the mayor there Zoren Memdani.
He's going to I think, I mean, I think if
you've been following it already, you'll see he's proven to
be reasonably controversial because he's a little bits he's out
to the left of that particular party. He's done an
interview with MBC and was asked where the billionaires have

(01:37:06):
a right to exist, and he says, I don't think
that we should have billionaires because frankly, it is too
much money in a moment of such a quality. And
then he was asked about his proposal to tax in
his words, in his words, it's policy on his website
richer and whiter neighborhoods, and he's not ashamed of that
at all. He says, I think I'm just naming things

(01:37:28):
as they are, IEP. And aren't it going to be fascinating?
As what have you got for us?

Speaker 23 (01:37:32):
Rip by Tony Temper and Rita Ara to play us
out tonight. Rita Ara has spoken on a podcast about
how she proposed to take away TT. So this happened
back in twenty twenty two and they got married. They
were on holiday in Palm Springs. She decorated the hotel
room while he was away like a nice fancy hotel
room that she filled it up with balloons and cake

(01:37:54):
got rings made, and then when takeaway TT showed up
on the hotel room, apparently he said, what the hell
is it Valentine's Day? And then she got down on
one knee and proposed to him and he accepted, so
that's nice. She also talks about how they met in
their first kiss and all that stuff. So if you
want to hear the rest of the to her stories
are the beginning again podcast Can't Wait.

Speaker 3 (01:38:13):
When you said ants, balloons and cake, did you see
Laura's face?

Speaker 19 (01:38:17):
The German?

Speaker 3 (01:38:19):
No, I didn't you sneered Laura? Why did you sneer?
Don't you like balloons and cake? Is it cringe?

Speaker 2 (01:38:25):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (01:38:26):
I think it's nice. It's not for me I would
have had I don't know, I see because my problem is,
but all those balloons now you've got to pop them
all and I don't like the sound of popular.

Speaker 23 (01:38:39):
Thankfully, Laura's already married, so no one will have to
propose to her. But see if there's a renewal of
vows coming up. Balloons and cake, take note, don't don't bring.

Speaker 3 (01:38:46):
Lord and imagine like if you ever tried to tie
lots and lots of balloons, because if your fingernail on
your index fingers. Too long, you scrape the skin on
your your middle finger, you can end up with quite
a bloody finger, so probably reach a bled for them. Anyway.
Thank you Nce for just to sit by really high.
For all the wedding proposals out there, see tomorrow. Enjoy yourself.

(01:39:07):
Fine to give you on me.

Speaker 2 (01:39:11):
Maybe come close, maybe come close.

Speaker 14 (01:39:18):
Manifier you're talking, don't know who you're trying to flatter.

Speaker 13 (01:39:21):
Got my mind.

Speaker 3 (01:39:22):
They eat up, Immedifier. I'm in control for which you'll be.

Speaker 2 (01:39:27):
In a man you don't seem to understand. I comedifier, comedifi.

Speaker 7 (01:39:37):
I'm a medicire so I be thinking, man because it's
I'm part of my friend.

Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
I am edified.

Speaker 3 (01:39:59):
Are to the girl you used to see?

Speaker 2 (01:40:04):
Her?

Speaker 3 (01:40:05):
Days are over?

Speaker 1 (01:40:09):
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