Full Show Podcast: 30 October 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The only drive show you can try the truck to
ask the questions, you get the answers, find the fact
and give the analysis. Heather Duplessy Ellen Drive with One
New Zealand and the Power of Satellite Mobile News.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Talk said be.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Afternoon. Coming up on the show today, Barry Sofa has
the story of the former minister trying to clear his name.
You're going to hear it here first. Then we have
the Fonterra boss on the successful vote today, the N
New Zealand boss and the Microsoft outage causing trouble today.
And the public health guys on why they're refusing to
jab small babies against measles. Heather DUPLESSYLA, So I'm going
to have to disagree with the Prime Minister on the

(00:38):
personal attack on his wealth. I actually think this is
fair game. I don't like it, but I think it's
fair game. So what has happened is that Chris Hopkins
yesterday took a shot at Chris Luxen for selling four
houses last year and making more in capital gains off
those sales than he did from his Prime ministerial salary.
And while he paid tax on his salary, didn't pay
any of the tax on the capital games because he

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doesn't have to. And the Prime Minister's hit back today
saying I don't attack his personal finances and I wouldn't
expect him to attack mine. But unfortunately for the Prime Minister,
his personal finances are actually fair game. Because all politicians
finances are fair game. That's why we ask them, not
even ask force them to declare what properties they own
and what shares they hold, because we recognize that their

(01:21):
assets are actually relevant to their jobs and inform their decisions. Now,
I don't like that it gets dirty, but it does,
like when Michael Wood was forced to resign essentially over
the shares he owned, like when Debingado, a packer was
busted on the front page of The Herald the other
day for not declaring properties she owned. And unfortunately for
the Prime Minister, he's actually sorted to blame for dragging
his finances into the media by being entitled to his

(01:44):
entitlements of claiming the accommodation money and then also claiming
the Tesla subsidy that he himself had criticized. So his
personal capital gains are highly relevant in a debate about
capital gains. Now, actually I hate to say it because
I actually hate the idea of a capital gains tax,
and I do not want this to ever happen. But
this was Labour's best move yet coming at the Prime

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Minister pointing out how much one person the Prime Minister
made in one year from capital games was politically at
least a very well aimed blow.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Heather Duplessy, Allen, you.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
Are welcome to a way in on that the huddle
will later on. Nine two nine two is the text
number standard text fees applied. Now speaking of the Prime Minister,
He's had his first meeting with Donald Trump last night
and it went very very well. Trump asked Luxem well,
they talked about hair first of all, and then Trump
asked Luckson what the best golfing spots in New Zealand were,
and Luckxon offered Trump a day golfing with Sir John
Kiya Tara golf course?

Speaker 4 (02:41):
Course was Tara eat?

Speaker 5 (02:42):
I saw what is your passive books?

Speaker 6 (02:44):
Tara eat?

Speaker 7 (02:45):
A guide?

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Will did that one course be?

Speaker 8 (02:51):
The pastor has said rong is actually how they go
about brand on the top ten, which is about Tarif
you being a want to come, would John Key?

Speaker 3 (03:05):
So if it happens, the job falls to John Key
to take him out on the golf course. He's have
a chat to him, Sir John Key's with us high.

Speaker 9 (03:11):
John evening, Heather.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yeah, how do you feel about hosting Trump on the
golf course?

Speaker 10 (03:16):
Yeah, no problems.

Speaker 9 (03:17):
I mean I've got for may.

Speaker 11 (03:18):
I mean I showed Obama around New Zealand. He was
a well former president there at that point. But yeah,
so I mean beautiful golf courses. Why not it'd be
tererchaining chat for four hours on the course, wouldn't that?

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Would you? Would you pick have been Tarati as well?

Speaker 11 (03:33):
Yeah, probably Taris or maybe Wyreki's gorgeous. I mean that
sort of shows off the flora and fauna and the
native BirdLife of New Zealand. So that's a fantastic piece
of golfing history if you like, in New Zealand. Golf
course in New Zealand and Tapo so maybe there. But yeah,
Tariji absolutely beautiful. You know, he's ranked are very high

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in the world, and yeah it's good.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
Now, I don't want to make you feel bad about yourself.
Does Donald Trump know who you are? When he said
he John Key will show you around? Was Donald Trump
like John I all know him?

Speaker 12 (04:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (04:09):
Well, I mean he probably should do.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Yeah, but that doesn't mean any.

Speaker 13 (04:16):
Well, if he could he tracked me out of a lineup,
probably not, but you never know.

Speaker 10 (04:23):
I mean, you live in hope, whatever.

Speaker 13 (04:26):
But yeah, look, I'm sure he would be so well
brief that by the time he actually got to the
course with his secret service details and the rest of it,
I regually know who I was by the end.

Speaker 14 (04:37):
But yeah, in theory, does I mean he rang me
to congratulate me at one point when I was leaving,
and I rang him to wish him the beast when
he became president Elite's first time around twenty sixteen.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
And you know, normal people would remember that, wouldn't they.
But then he's not normal, is he. Now, how do
you think Luxeon did?

Speaker 12 (04:55):
It?

Speaker 3 (04:55):
Looks to me like that was pretty successful.

Speaker 11 (04:57):
Looks really successful. I mean, that's the best you can
hope for in these kind of events. A pull side
is Look, it's just a meeting that you're not basically
ushering all the cameras and for straight away, I mean
it's the same principle. You have a great opportunity to
form a bit of a relationship.

Speaker 10 (05:12):
I think, as the PM.

Speaker 9 (05:13):
Had said before he went there.

Speaker 11 (05:16):
You know, he'd had another phone conversations with him, but
something like a person to person meeting, I mean in
the United States is you know, it's an ally and
a you know, incredbly important part of you know, the
makeup of New Zealand really have been a big, big
trading counterpart for New Zealand. We're part of the Five
Eyes and all of those historical things and you know,

(05:36):
the leader of the Free Wilder guess.

Speaker 9 (05:38):
So, you know, there's a.

Speaker 10 (05:39):
Lot to talk about and important.

Speaker 11 (05:41):
I think that the promise of the day has a
good relationship with the whoever's in the White House.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
John listen, thank you as always, I really appreciate your time.
Go and have a lovely day. That's John Key, former
Prime Minister. Staying on the subject of Donald Trump, he
has announced that he's directing the Pentagon to begin testing
nuclear weapons immediately. Now. That was he said that ahead
of his meeting was Jijiping, and you should see it
like that. It was probably a flex ahead of that meeting,
which he's already had. First time they've shaken hands in

(06:07):
sixty years. By the way, he's telling the Pentagon to
test on an equal basis with Russia. And China back home.
Probably the biggest business news today is that the Fonterra
sale has gone through. It's been over, it's been supported
overwhelmingly by dairy farmers and shareholders. Eighty eight well you
could say eighty eight and a half percent of the
votes cast in favor of the deal when he pay

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straight out of the blocks just hating on it. He
said it was utter madness. It's economic self sabotage, et cetera,
et cetera, etcetera, all the stuff that is. He's just
testing his lines. He's running his lines now for the
election next year.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Anyway.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
Miles Hurrell, the boss who has pulled this, pulled the
sale off and done a remarkable job of doing. It's
gonna be with us after five o'clock. It's thirteen past four.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
It's the Heather du pussy Allan Drive full show.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
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Speaker 3 (07:01):
Here that I can't agree with you. I'm sorry. Luxon
has done absolutely nothing wrong. Sounds like envy to me
from chippy typical labor, not the successful rich preck. Sometimes
at the moment seems to be flavor of the week, Mary,
Thank you. Sixteen past four, sport with a.

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Speaker 15 (07:20):
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your heart earned this weekend when it comes to the
taarbe need a bet more than you can afford to lose?
That is the key thing there. I should know because
I lose every week.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
Yep, that's a given.

Speaker 5 (07:39):
You know.

Speaker 15 (07:40):
If I could bet against myself to win, I'd probably
make quite a lot of money. That make any sense
now it doesn't. Did you know that the black Caps
are not favorites for the game coming up on Saturday
in Wellington?

Speaker 7 (07:51):
Why?

Speaker 15 (07:52):
Well, I don't know. They know more than we do.
The tabb set, the odds ten lots fifteen England are
favorites or a dollar sixty seven. I think they've been
favorites for the last two matches. But if you want
to get a bit of a stretch on it, Riching
ravishing reck Ravendra is paying ten to fifty to be
the highest score of the game. That might be worth it.
Same with Harry Brook ten bucks and maybe Mitchell Darryl

(08:15):
Mitchell Dazza, who has not been dismissed so far in
this series, has paying dollar fifty to score twenty runs
of more So there's a few little choices in there
to play. Remember two fifteen. That and it's a sunny day?
What I'm told? I mean you lived in Wellington as well,
so how long the sunny days last? But that's all
the forecasters. That means it's going to be a good day.

(08:37):
And what is Wellington on a good day?

Speaker 12 (08:39):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (08:39):
You can't beat much, can't beat it on those five days?

Speaker 5 (08:43):
Right, Yeah, that's brilliant.

Speaker 15 (08:44):
Ari eighteen bet responsibly.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
Now, Darcy, is this a big deal that Ryan Pappenhausen
has been let go of his contract by the Melbourne Storm.

Speaker 15 (08:52):
Well, people are making a big deal.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
Is it good a year.

Speaker 15 (08:55):
To go in his contract?

Speaker 3 (08:56):
Is he a marquee player?

Speaker 9 (08:57):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (08:58):
So why would they let him go?

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Well?

Speaker 15 (09:00):
I don't think he can keep A guy in a
society doesn't want to be there?

Speaker 3 (09:04):
Where does he want to go?

Speaker 15 (09:05):
He hasn't said anything. What this is interesting? He posted
on Instagram a week or so ago. Real peace is
an inside job. It comes from understanding that the game
and this life will never go exactly and it comes
from understanding there are forces at play that are beyond you.
It comes from one quiet truth. You gave it everything

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you had. That's always a victory. He wrote that on Instagram.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
She's that's a bit deep, isn't it a bit deep?

Speaker 16 (09:33):
So I don't know what's in there.

Speaker 15 (09:35):
There's been all sorts of thoughts. Maybe he does he
want to come and live over in Auckland.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
I don't think he been connected to though DUS three
sixty rugby three sixty year. Is it not possible? Like
it wouldn't be. You wouldn't be like drawing a long
bow to suggest that he has been let go by
the Melbourne Storm because he wants to go to R
three sixty. Now, let's if he does go to the
Saudi Rugby League. That's a code for them, isn't it,
because it's their first big signing.

Speaker 15 (10:01):
It is a rugby league player, a rugby player. But
that's okay. He's in the back line, so who'll be fine?
Would have to do too much of an adjustment. Look,
he has been talking with them. This is not a secret.
So maybe sat down and then wing you know what,
there's a good chance I am actual for.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
The Soudis huge. It isn't it.

Speaker 15 (10:17):
Well, he's not a rugby player, but he's a massive name.
You saw one the Club Churchill Medal back in twenty twenty,
I think it was. Is a sensational player. The worst
lid in the competition, without a doubt.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Has he got a terrible haircut?

Speaker 15 (10:30):
Oh bro?

Speaker 3 (10:31):
And that really is that? That coming from me, that's
coming from you, and considering the haircuts that are out
there on those fields, Darcy. The thing why I'm interested
in this more really than him leaving the Melbourne Storm
is that if he does, in fact go to the Soudis,
and he's a big marquee name like that, that will
give so many guys permission to say yes to the
Soudis because all it takes is the one big guy, right,

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and it starts the fly.

Speaker 15 (10:53):
And then it pops it potentially and.

Speaker 5 (10:54):
They're all off if you will.

Speaker 15 (10:57):
And of course he gets ten year banned from the
n he's been paying for ten years anyway. Does he
give him care?

Speaker 3 (11:03):
He's given it everything, has he said?

Speaker 15 (11:05):
Maybe he's shly realized that taking taking blows to the
head with fore arms for another teen years is probably
not good for his retire My.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Husband tuned into the Netball last night. I was out
for dinner, so he decided to watch the netball and he.

Speaker 15 (11:17):
Said, great game.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
Yeah, he was like, Netbull's changed since I last watched it.
They just played a lot of seven minute blocks and
it just went on and on.

Speaker 15 (11:26):
Wait, what was he watching it on a pie television?

Speaker 3 (11:31):
He just saw that that was it the tiebreaker stuff.

Speaker 15 (11:34):
Yeah, it was pretty exciting. Second half is amazing, extraordinary.
I and will be joined by Blair Tinno on the
show tonight as well, talking about his wonderful comeback the
for for as well.

Speaker 7 (11:45):
Brilliant.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
Hey, thank you, Darcy, appreciated as always. That's Darcy water
Grave a sports store. Coast will be back at seven
for twenty one.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in
your car on your drive home. It's Heather Duplicy Ellen
drive with one New Zealand had power or a satellite
mobile can use talk said be.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
Hither on what you said at the very start of
the program. Let's ask how much profit Labor and all
the other MPs have made on selling property. Also, the
gain wasn't in one year, it suggested he own the
properties for one year or least. Okay, first of all,
I don't know how long he owned the properties for,
but he sold them a one calendar year. That's the
point I was trying to make. And absolutely listen if
the fact that Chippy owns a beach house that would

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be subject to the capital gains tax, I think is
relevant to this debate, right because it shows that he's prepared. Lord,
I don't please, don't think that I want the capital
gain sex I hate it. I really don't want it.
But it shows that he's prepared to put his own
property subject to a tax that he wants to introduce.

Speaker 12 (12:39):
Right.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
That is relevant, just like what the Prime minister owns
is relevant. Hither, in my view, you are wrong about
lux and lux and got to be wealthy by hard work,
motivation and putting himself out there to end up as
a global CEO. Along the way he accumulated wealth. Hipkins,
on the other hand, has only ever received a taxpayer salary,
has got where he is by attrition. I wouldn't disagree

(12:59):
with any of that. Yeah, I'm on the same page
as you, Hugh four twenty five. We need to talk
about what happened at the Silver Scrolls last night. Does
I'll tell you what after what happened to Paul Goldsmith there.
I think it would be understandable if government ministers don't
want to go to arts events anymore because he was

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booed some other casts.

Speaker 17 (13:22):
The Honorable Paul Goldsmith, Minister of Arts and Culture, thank
you for your superport of music. I know you're a
fan and well appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
A bit of a dick move from the musicians, especially
when you consider how they responded to Chloe Swarbrick.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Chloe Swarbrick and Steve A.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
And Steve Abel. They don't even know who Steve Able is.
He's the guy who looks like Rasbouotine, by the way,
and then to rub salt in the wound. The biggest
winner of the night, who's my man? Marlon Williams said
this during his acceptance speech for the Song of the
Year to.

Speaker 18 (13:57):
The Arts and Culture Minister, No much love. You've done
a lot of incredible work for Marti A while ago,
a while.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Ago, and then he went on, and.

Speaker 18 (14:11):
That's why I know you've got a conscience.

Speaker 7 (14:13):
I wrote you an email a while ago.

Speaker 18 (14:15):
I didn't expect to reply from you. But I wrote
you an email a while ago. It's being like, what
the and you know better than this?

Speaker 3 (14:22):
And yet yeah, so bus turns up at the whatever.
He turned up and he got told off by Don mglashan.
Goldie got booed at this thing. So I don't know,
maybe next time, would you go? If you were a
government minister, I'd probably just sent somebody else all together.
I'd just say to Chloe, Chloe and Rasputine, I'd be like,
would you guys like to go? They love you, We'll
just do the job for us. Anyway. Despite all of that,

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I was very happy to wake up to the news
this morning that Marlon did, in fact when the Silver
Scroll award for the song Alwatura, which we're going to
play to you. I'm warning I'm setting out for it
right so you're going to hear it in about ten
minutes time, and you can you can use your own
judgment see if you like it. I need to talk
to you. Measles parents are really worried about the measles situation.

(15:05):
I don't have enough time to get you, like deep
into the intricacy of what's going on here, but there
is a lot of frustration from parents and it sounds like,
particularly in Wellington, about why they can't get their baby's
jab because what have we been told by the health
guys this whole time, like jab jab jab jab jab
jab jab jab jab And then there's a measles outbreak
and the parents are going, can I jab? And no,
you cannot jab. Your child's not of a certain age.
So anyway, I'm going to run you through what is

(15:26):
going on here because we are going to talk to
the public the Director of Public Health after five o'clock
next though, we have the news and by the way,
Barry Sober with his scoop in the next half hour
news talks at b.

Speaker 19 (15:39):
Oh get.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Cutting through the noise to get the facts.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
It's Heather Dificcy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
News talksb OH Mother.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
Yeah, that's right, we're great DJs. We'll start playing you
one song, play you another song. You've got your attention though,
this is the song that won the Silver Stroll last night.
And if you enjoy Marlin Williams' music, if you listen
to Marlon Williams's album, you know it's the best song
on the album and it's a good album, so it
deserved to win, so well done him for that. Maybe
cut out the bowing from the musicians. Listen, Barry Soap

(16:23):
is going to be at us in ten minutes time now.
He's been working on something. Been talking to a former
minister who wants to clear his name. He was unfortunately
relieved of his portfolios. And I don't think it is
crazy to say has broken ranks with the Prime Minister
a little bit on this one. So stand by and
Barrow give us the details very shortly. Right now, it's
twenty four away from five.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
It's the world wires on news talks. It'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Donald Trump has had that meeting with Jijiping at Apek
and career President g whose comments are translated here, says
there's been encouraging progress in the relationship between the two superpowers.

Speaker 18 (16:57):
China and the United States should be partners.

Speaker 20 (16:59):
And this is what his shre has taught us and
what reality need demands.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
What a surprise. Barnaby Joyce is in trouble again. Here's
Cameron Ridden from Sky News in Australia.

Speaker 19 (17:12):
The former Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce is facing a
complaint to Parliament's Workplace Support Service after he's alleged to
have launched a verbal tirade against a female National staff member.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Now it's alleged that during.

Speaker 19 (17:24):
This incident, mister Joyce yelled at a female staff member
inside the office of the National's Whip Michelle Landry, and
allegedly stood in her close physical space.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
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Speaker 21 (18:04):
Murray old Lossi corresponds with that fellow man, Hello, Heather,
good up and into you.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
You got some more details on the death of that
cruise passenger.

Speaker 7 (18:13):
That's right.

Speaker 22 (18:13):
She was an eighty year old woman from New South Wales.
Suzanne Reese and her family absolutely furious she was left
behind on that island, Lizard Island, on the weekend she
was at the start. This cruise ship was making a
circumnavigation of Australia, and of course great excitement. I'll understand,

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was the first weekend of this trip, and they put
into Lizard Island and those who.

Speaker 7 (18:41):
Want to go ashore for a bushwalk are allowed to
do so.

Speaker 22 (18:44):
They are on board the Coral Adventurer by the way,
so they've gone ashore from an excursion on Saturday. Miss
rees amongst them. She's eighty years old, she's a mum
at grandmother. She's gone ashore. We told she's very very fit.
She used to enjoy bushwalking, you know, a very outdoorsy
fit eighty year old. But on this walk that she

(19:04):
became ill, we understand, and she was asked to head
back down towards the ship. Now everybody's come back that
afternoon around five o'clock.

Speaker 7 (19:13):
We understand the crew.

Speaker 22 (19:14):
Did not realize that Miss Lee's was not on board
until dinner time. Right, no check was done when the
guests returned from Lizard Island. So at dinner time they've
started checking the vessel. The crew's gone from top to bottom.
Ten o'clock the alarm is raised on Saturday night. Half
a dozen crew hopping a little Zodiac style boat and
raced back to Lizard Island and the Coral Adventurer turns around,

(19:39):
gets back after midnight and the body was found on Sunday.
As I say, the ship was on the second day
of a circumnavigation of the country. And well, you know,
a Missri's family is absolutely furious.

Speaker 7 (19:52):
It's just amazing to me.

Speaker 22 (19:52):
I must have done a ten or a dozen cruises
and it's like military operation.

Speaker 7 (19:57):
When you go on and off of a cruise ship,
they check you off. You have to have like photo ID.
It's just beyond imagination how this has happened.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
Yeah, fair point. Listen, how did this cricketer die after
getting the ball in the neck? What happened here?

Speaker 22 (20:12):
Well, there are so many eerie similarities with what happened
to a Test player back on twenty fourteen, young guy
Philip Hughes. He was batting in a Sheffield Shield match
at the Sydney Cricket Ground and he was hitting the
neck by a bouncer. They say he was dead before
he hit the ground. It hit him right in the
back of the neck. He was wearing a helmet, but

(20:32):
the ball he's turned around as the balls come in.

Speaker 7 (20:35):
The balls hit him in the back of the neck.

Speaker 22 (20:37):
It's just popped that very important artery that I can't
remember the name of the artery but supplies blood to
the brain. And the poor Philip Hughes is dead before
he hits the deck. It's that quick. He actually was
turned off by his family two days later. And that's
what's happened with this poor young fellow down in Melbourne.

Speaker 7 (20:55):
He was batting. It was an after school practice.

Speaker 22 (20:58):
He was having what they call throw down as a
mechanical ball chucker, and it just chucks balls at batsman
and it looks like he's ducked into a ball and
he's got that in the neck.

Speaker 7 (21:07):
He too, was wearing a helmet, this young fellow, Ben Austen.

Speaker 22 (21:10):
He was treaded at the scene and rushed off the
hospital but he could not be saved.

Speaker 7 (21:14):
Mom, Dan and two brothers were there when he died.

Speaker 22 (21:17):
Now some club crickets, of course, will be wearing black
armbands this weekend.

Speaker 7 (21:21):
It's just so sad. A young guy, apparently he had
a great at football as well, a.

Speaker 22 (21:24):
Real lovely young man, hadn't finished school yet and now
he's gone.

Speaker 7 (21:28):
So it's just so sad.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
So is there maybe a case for dropping the helmet
a little bit at the back and creating a bit
of a shield for the back of the neck.

Speaker 22 (21:36):
Well they've done that, Heather, they've done that. There's actually
a little sort of flat that comes around down the back.
I don't know what it's made of. When I was
playing Test crit but I was playing test cricket. When
I was playing cricket all those years ago, we didn't
have helmets. We only had little caps. And I don't
remember anyone ever getting hit in the head.

Speaker 7 (21:55):
And I don't think we're bowling fast enough to get
up that high. Yeah, but yes, after Philip Hughes, it was.

Speaker 22 (22:01):
Mandatory you had to have these little things attached to
the bottom of a helmet, a bit like a press
stud thing, I guess, and it acts as sort of
a color.

Speaker 7 (22:09):
But it didn't help you, young Ben. I'm afraid, and
he's passed away.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
Buddy Worth said, unfortunate, muzz Thank you very much, appreciate it.
Murray Old's Australia correspondent.

Speaker 7 (22:16):
I ever away from five.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
So the situation where the measles is this, Okay, we've
got this, We've got community spread in Wellington with measles,
and as you can understand at the moment, your first
measles jab for a baby is twelve months, right, lots
of parents out, but the parents the baby loses the
immunity that it gets from, you know, the mum's breast
milk and just being in the womb loses it at
four months. So basically between four months and twelve months

(22:39):
your kid's a little bit vulnerable, right, So lots of
parents in Wellington want to get the baby jabbed as
a result of this, and the health authorities are just
flat out no, which is my experience as well. I thought,
I've got to go to Wellington and thus one's got
to go to Wellington. Don't want to be bringing the
measles back. Can we get the baby jab she's only
nine and a half months. No, No, tried twice, tried
with the nurse, triede with the doctor and nap. Absolutely not.

(23:00):
But the weird thing about it is you can do
it right. So if you're going overseas with your baby,
if the baby is six months old, we will jab
your baby. We'll got yep call you're going overseas as
high risk situation, there might be measles out there, so
we jab your baby at six months. So what I
think parents are struggling to understand is if the measles,
if the high risk measles situation is now in the country,

(23:21):
which it is, why don't we apply the same rule
and go, hey, we've got a bit of a problem here,
let's jab the babies. It's six months. Let's go for
it anyway, because the other thing is what they'll say
to you as well. You got herd immunity, right, you're
jabbed and your other kids are jabbed. Everybody's jab Like
if you're sensible, everybody's jab But now not everybody sensible
anymore since COVID. I don't know about you, but my
family's got some people gone but nutty, haven't they And

(23:42):
they're not jabbing their kids now, I reckon there's at
least one of the little tykes in our family who
hasn't got any measles jabs whatsoever. And we're supposed to
spend Christmas with them and now and they're like, ah, now,
we haven't got the heard immunity, have we? Anyway? So
we're going to have a chat to the Director of
Public Health at the Ministry of Health after five o'clock
and see if we can get a credible explanation for
why it is that were not prepared to jab babies

(24:02):
in the country. And we've got a problem here. And
by the way, if you do manage to get a jab,
which sometimes the doctors will do against advice against the bosses,
it's two hundred and sixty dollars anyway, they with us
after five Barry Soper next, which MP is trying to
clear their former MP is trying to clear their names?
Seventeen away from five for politics with centric credit, check
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(24:24):
interesting text on how to get the measles jab potentially
fourteen away from five. Barry Soper, Senior political correspondent, High Barry.

Speaker 15 (24:31):
Good afternoon, Heather.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
Right, So the former minister wanting to clear his name
is Andrew Bailey.

Speaker 15 (24:35):
Yes, indeed, and I've seen a lot of correspondence between
himself as King's Council, the Department of Internal Affairs, and
you know a lot of material I've read as a
result of this, and essentially we were led to believe,
and certainly Andrew Bailey was led to believe in February

(24:57):
that he had committed some serious offense in his office
in terms of grabbing one of his staff members by
his upper arm and shaking him. What Bailey would say,
and I've talked to him this week about it, he
says that he simply grabbed him of the upper arm
and said we can do this, and he was talking

(25:18):
about an area of policy. Now, there was never a
formal complaint laid against Andrew Bailey, never, not one. Didn't
know that's no, he did not know.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
He was led there was one.

Speaker 12 (25:31):
He was led to.

Speaker 15 (25:32):
Believe, and he doesn't blame the Prime Minister's chief of staff,
but he was led to believe by the chief of
Staff that there was some serious complaints made against him.
And he was also led to believe, not by the
chief of Staff, but by various letters from the Department
of Internal Affairs that in fact it was one against three,

(25:57):
that three people had given eventually the same evidence against him,
and yet nobody, not one of them, had made a
form of complaint. So what Andrew Bailey is saying is
that now he believes that he offered his resignation too quickly.
He did have a telephone call with the Prime Minister
Chris Luxen and with his chief of staff, and he

(26:21):
essentially offered his own resignation. He said he wasn't pressure
to do it. He offered his own resignation because he
thought he was fighting a losing bag.

Speaker 16 (26:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
He from my understanding, he offered his resignation because he
thought no one would believe his story versus three people.
It wasn't that he was accepting that he'd done something wrong.
It was just that he thought, I can't win this
pr battle.

Speaker 15 (26:42):
Totally, and so you know, he really feels misled by
the Department of Internal Affairs.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Certain how many days did this play out over It
was several days, several days, and over several days, no
one who was dealing with him, from the Prime Minister's
chief of staff to the Department of Internal Affairs told
him there was no formal complaint. And when he asked
to meet the person he had touched right, thinking that
was the complainant, he was told that person was on
stress leave and he was unable to meet with it.

Speaker 15 (27:12):
That's right, But he did talk to the person. On
the day he resigned, he talked to the staffer in
his office who it was naturally assumed who had complained
because his upper arm was touched by Bailey and the staffer,
and in the presence of his own senior political advisor
in the office said to him on a telephone call

(27:32):
that no, he didn't lodge a complaint, and he wouldn't
have lodged a complaint. He in fact enjoyed working with
the ministrative in the past few weeks. So he was
a new appointee.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
To the office, Barry, if he has been led to
believe it's a very serious situation that requires resignation, and
has been led to believe that there's a formal complaint
and has been barred from meeting catching up with the
person he believes had complained about him, can you not
deduce from this that he was essentially misled into resigning.

Speaker 16 (28:01):
Oh well, you.

Speaker 15 (28:02):
Know, it's hard to escape a conclusion like that, because.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
Because because the thing came after Remember Andrew Bali had
already been in trouble for the loser sign at the vest,
so this was the second thing that had happened in.

Speaker 15 (28:12):
Song Final Warning.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
Basically, politically, you could say it would have been easier
for him just to resign to make the issue go away, and.

Speaker 15 (28:18):
I think that's what he felt.

Speaker 7 (28:20):
In the end.

Speaker 15 (28:20):
Anyway, he didn't want to embarrass the government, so he
decided that he would pull up. But what he wants
to do now, of course, this man has a formidable
background before he came into politics. What he wants to
do is clear as name.

Speaker 7 (28:33):
He said.

Speaker 15 (28:33):
Every time anybody googles his name, it comes up that
he essentially resigned from cabinet under a cloud. Well, there
was no cloud really to speak of in terms of
a complaint, and that's the important thing here.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
So what does he want. Does he want his job back?

Speaker 15 (28:48):
Well, I think if he was off at his job back,
I'm sure he would take it.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
Or does he want an investigation?

Speaker 15 (28:54):
Well, in fact, his King's Counsel asked for an investigation
of the Commission of the Public Service, Sir Brian Roach,
but Roach said no, he didn't think it was necessary,
even though the King's Council said that a case like
this would never stand up in a High Court if
it got that far if he wanted to fight it,

(29:14):
so no inquiry. But the Department of Internal Affairs has
been told, along with other departments, to look at how
they deal with complaints. And I would imagine to make
sure that those who are complained against know exactly what
the complaint is and whether, in fact a complaint had

(29:34):
been filed.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Have you heard from the Prime Minister's office on this.

Speaker 15 (29:37):
No, I've talked to them, but of course the Prime
Minister's overseas, so he'll no doubt have something to say.
I think he's having a news conference around midnight tonight.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Barry, thank you, appreciate that insight. There's Barry so Oper,
senior political corresponding actually got a little bit more on
this to stand by. Eight away from.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Five the headlines and the hard questions, it's the mic
asking breakfast.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
And results are So.

Speaker 23 (30:00):
Has this been exciting for the farming community or not?

Speaker 9 (30:02):
Really?

Speaker 24 (30:02):
Que certainly it's one of the biggest decisions from Terra
shieholders will make. It's been an eighteen month process, so
there's no doubt there's been really strong engagement from our
farmers in real interest and what it means for us
as surprise of milks.

Speaker 23 (30:14):
How much is it just about the chair I'm getting
four hundred thousand dollars, yes or no? And how much
of it's about the bigger picture of the long term deals,
what it means et cetera.

Speaker 24 (30:21):
This is our wildlihoods will be supprime milk well after
any capital return up the vote successful. So if we
have encouraged farments to look through the capital return, they've
engaged in that.

Speaker 23 (30:32):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
the Defendant US Talk.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
Z B RISC five away from five. So on Andrew Bailey.
Question for you, now that you know that there was
no formal complaint against Andrew Bailey before he resigned, does
it make that whole interview with the Prime Minister and
Mike Hosking make a lot more sense? You remember the one,
This was the one that went on for three minutes
in February that became like the defining moment where everybody

(30:57):
realized Chris Luxon couldn't answer a question. But does it?
But does it now make a little bit more sense
why Chris Luxen wouldn't answer that question?

Speaker 25 (31:05):
Would you have sacked him if he hadn't offered to resign? Well,
hypothetical he did resign. No, I know that, but just
answered the question, well, would you have said, well, he
didn't meet the expectations of the minister.

Speaker 10 (31:15):
So it was it a sackable offense.

Speaker 25 (31:17):
Well, I think give him how clear we've been on
the first instance about why answer the question?

Speaker 3 (31:22):
Well, I can answer why. He can't answer the question
because it wasn't a sackable offense because there wasn't a
complaint against him. But now right, so now the question is, okay,
the Department of Internal Affairs knew that? Did the Prime
Minister's chief of staff know that too? And did the
Prime Minister know that as well? When they orchestrated this,
when this whole thing was orchestrated for Andrew Bailey to resign,

(31:45):
did the chief of staff and the Prime Minister also
know that there was no formal complaint? Oh, it's got
be hot in there, hasn't it. So anyway, it's fast
I think. I think you can't. You can't pretend that
it's not a big deal that Andrew Bailey has broken
ranks with this Prime Minister on this one trying to
clear his name. So we'll see what comes of that. Right,
We're going to talk to Miles Hurrel after five o'clock. Oh,

(32:07):
by the way, what am I doing? Andrew Bailey is
with us after half past five, so we'll ask him
a whole bunch of questions. You'll be able to hear
the story from his point of view as well. Myles
Harrala Fonterra is having a fantastic day though obviously the
shareholder's vote has gone his way overwhelming. It was something
like eighty eight and a half percent voted in favor
of his idea. He's going to be us straight after
the news. Heather, my daughter is a doctor in Auckland.

(32:29):
She just dug her toes and she insisted that her
baby get jabbed. But she first hand knows the mind
blowing devastation this horrific disease can call. So she went
into battle for her baby and she got it as
a result. Question this is from Sarah. So question is
if Sarah's daughter, a doctor at the hospital, could insist
on having a baby under twelve months jab why can
the rest of us not manage to do the same thing.
We're going to talk to the Ministry of Health. Will

(32:50):
we are thus shortly as well?

Speaker 6 (32:52):
News is next good stay Tucket bar or bar or so.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
But I'm sure for some.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
One pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's

(33:39):
Heather Duper Clan drive with one new Zealand to coverage
like no one else new sor Cippy.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
Good afternoon. As expected, the Fonterra sale has been voted
through and overwhelmingly eighty eight and a half So eighty
eight point five percent of Fonterra's farmer shareholders have said
yes to selling the company's consumer brands to the French company.
Miles Harrell is Fonterra's chief executive and with US home Miles.

Speaker 4 (34:03):
Good afternoon, Hit.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
So is this more support or around about what you
were expecting?

Speaker 4 (34:07):
Well, we always said we wanted a strong mandate.

Speaker 26 (34:09):
I mean it is a massive decision for the cooperative
nur farm own and so we wanted a strong mandate.
But you to see the number comes through. Eighty eight
and a half percent is a great support.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
Is asb right on how much it's predicting farmers will
get on average just shy of four hundred thousand.

Speaker 26 (34:24):
Yeah, it depends what's the way you cut it. But
that's the number that I've seen, which is sort of
near enough to on an average. Of course, we do
have a wide spectrum of smaller farmers than large farmers,
so everyone will get their own their own cash and
time accordingly. But your two dollars tax free per per
per share is a decent wedge of cash for most farmers.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
Miles. Is there any chance at all that Winston Peters
is proven right in the passage of time that we
come to regret this.

Speaker 26 (34:50):
Well, Look, we pride ourselves on our business to business relationships.
And you think about the multinationals that we have partnerships
or whether it be Abbot, or whether it be Nesle
or Denown, whoever it may be, at an international basis,
we sell them ingredients, we sell them advanced ingredients, we
sell them food service product and it's our job to
make sure that maintains through the long term. And we

(35:10):
pride ourselves and doing it, and I think we can
do that well into the future.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
The way that Winston Peters is talking about it makes
me think this might become an election issue. What do
you think?

Speaker 26 (35:18):
Oh, look, I think if we had got just over
the fifty percent that we needed from our farmers to
get this underway, maybe have a view. But you know,
this business is owned by our farmers. They've invested behind
that business and they've given us the mandate. So at
the end of the day, you know whether he takes
it into an election is up to him, but I
think our farmers have made a pretty clear decision today.

Speaker 7 (35:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
Now, last time I talked to you about it, which
was the day that you announced this, you hadn't cracked
the bubbles yet. It was far too early. Is today
the day to crack the bubbles?

Speaker 26 (35:48):
Maybe not quite them? Half as through a meeting actually,
So I've got a bit more to do yet. But look,
there's still a couple of milestones we need to get through. Firstly,
there is some international regulatory approvals that in certain markets
that they're well underway. And then there's quite a significant
separation piece, you know, you think about physically separating officers
and IT systems and all that sort of thing. So
we're probably going to be into the new year before
we see that come to pass.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
So the bubbles are in the new year, are they?

Speaker 26 (36:13):
Well, I might have something over the new year break even,
but but yeah, that's certainly the plan.

Speaker 4 (36:18):
But you know, it is a significant milestone on this process.

Speaker 26 (36:21):
You know, we've been on this program for about eighteen
months and so yeah, it is a significant milestone.

Speaker 4 (36:25):
So maybe we can find it find some time over
the weekend.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
I think you should miles. You look after yourself and
enjoy it. Myles Harrell, Chief executive Fonterra. Here the if
it wasn't the guy who's m Bailey touched, who else
was the one who laid the complaint? Well, actually poorly,
And I can answer that question for you. There were
three people in the room with Andrew Bailey, and it
wasn't the person whose arm he touched it. All that
guy said afterwards, I would never have complained about it.

(36:50):
Wasn't to think it was somebody who witnessed it. Let
me just paint the picture for you. It was somebody
who witnessed it, who had joined his office the day before,
and somehow within hours all days labor found out about it.
So piece that one together for yourself. Now A and
Z has just put out what it's expecting the house
prices are going to do this year, and now they're

(37:10):
thinking they will lift after all. Previously A and Z
and the reason I'm A and Z is worth quoting
is obviously the country's biggest bank dealing with a lot
of mortgages and whatnot. They previously said they were expecting
absolutely no growth in house prices this year, but now
they're saying they've already seen zero point three percent growth, which,
let's be honest, is not a lot, but we'll take it.
Zero point three already at the end of October, so

(37:31):
that saim by the end of the year, we're going
to be at zero point five percent growth. So maybe
should you'll be stoked? Should we be looking at that,
going yep, that's it, that's all we need for a CGT. Right,
let's deal with measles next five eleven. Hey, you know
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(38:13):
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Speaker 2 (38:43):
Heather Do for Sea Out.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
Bailey is going to be with us just after the
half past five news. It's quarter past five right now.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Now.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
Update on the measles is that there are now thirteen
cases in New Zealand after two more identified today. Now,
given how infectious measles is and how dangerous it is
for babies, parents, particularly ones in Wellington freaking out and
trying to get the little ones jab but the rules
are not being changed. You cannot get a baby jabbed
under twelve months at the moment. Even if you do,
it might cost you as much as two hundred and
sixty dollars. Doctor Coreina Gray is the director of Public

(39:12):
Health High Karina. Hi, Heather, Listen, if there are all
of these parents who want to get their young babies
JAB before they're twelve months old, why don't we just
do it?

Speaker 20 (39:22):
That's a very good question, and we are reviewing the
evidence around that. What I can say is that two
MMR doses given after the age of twelve months is
highly effective at protecting people from measles and giving them
lifelong immunity. For babies, babies do have some immunity from

(39:47):
what we call maternal antibodies up until about four months
of age. Now, between four months and twelve months, we
can give MMR what we call MMR zero, but that
doesn't confer long term immunity, and so if babies do
get the JAB, they still have to have their two

(40:09):
So that's cool.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
After twelves you're parents who are really worried at the moment,
why not just do this for the kids and then
and then carry on with twelve and whatever else.

Speaker 20 (40:18):
Yeah. Absolutely, So at the moment, we do have thirteen cases,
but we aren't at our point where we have sufficient
transmission that the risk is high enough that we would
vaccinate or what is at that point that would be
when the something that would be communicated by public health service.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
What is the point in Karna, if thirteen cases is
not the point, what's the point at which we decide
to jab the kids under twelve months?

Speaker 20 (40:49):
Well, that will be a decision that will be made
by public health.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
So you don't have you don't know when that point is.
You guys are sort of making it up as you go.

Speaker 20 (40:57):
Absolutely, we're not making it up as we go. What
you're reviewing. We're carefully reviewing the evidence.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
But one point, what is the point at which you
go this outbreak is big enough? What's that point?

Speaker 20 (41:10):
Well, what we're focusing on at the moment is making
sure we have good contact traces.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
No no Korea. A question please for parents who are worried,
what is the point.

Speaker 20 (41:23):
The point is that people need to get.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
No no no, verynat Listen, I'm asking you as a
mum of a nine and a half month old and
I'm worried about her, okay, and I want to get
her jab So at what point are you going to
let me jab her under the age of one? How
big is this outbreak got to.

Speaker 20 (41:41):
Get that would be a decision that would be made
by public health.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
So as I say, you guys haven't got a point
or literally just making it up as you go.

Speaker 20 (41:51):
Absolutely not, And if you'll just let me finish, I'd
like to give some information to the public about how
they can best protect themselves.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
No, Tarina, we're going to get to that. I need
you to answer this question because there are people who
are trying very hard right now and who are prepared
to pay as much as two hundred and sixty dollars
and they're being blocked from doing it.

Speaker 16 (42:12):
Now.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
Do we jab babies traveling overseas?

Speaker 20 (42:16):
That also depends on the risk.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
Yes, we have them. We gab them as early as
six months. So if we do it for babies overseas,
why are we not doing it for babies who are
in New Zealand, particularly in Wellington where there is an outbreak.

Speaker 20 (42:32):
So that's a very good point, Heather. So overseas, for example,
for example the UK, where there has been a very
large outbreak, they do not routinely give MMR zero to
under twelve months old. It is once again a decision
that's made by local public health services where there is

(42:55):
a very high risk of transmission in local communities, at
which point the local public health service will advise people
whether they should be getting their children immunized zero.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
The can that you have is the concern the cost
of the JAB are their potential side effects, doesn't do
something to the long term ability to be protected, why
not do it?

Speaker 20 (43:22):
So it's a balance of arrisks and benefits. So EMMA
zero doesn't confer long term immunity. So what we really
need to do is immunize everybody who's highly mobile and
capable of spreading measles through the community. So they were
really focused on children and adults and closing their immunity gap.

(43:43):
So we really want to encourage everybody who was able
to to get MMR. And you know here, I'm sure
you're immunized against the MMR, and you're making sure that
your siblings, parents, your aunties and uncles and every problem around.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
If I understood the herd immunity theory, my problem is
because of COVID, we now have anti vaxes in the
family who have kids who are unvaccinated, and we're coming
up to Christmas and our kids are going to have
to contact those kids. Do we not have a problem
there where we have such sufficient gaps now in our
herd immunity that we should be thinking about jabbing these
little ones.

Speaker 20 (44:22):
So again I would say, let's approach this with empathy
and encourage everyone who is able to to get vaccinated.
We are not at the point where we would routinely
immunize children under the age of twelve months, but again
we'll continue to track the outbreak and review the evidence,

(44:45):
but again encouraging everybody who is eligible for their MEMA
JAB to get vaccinated and protect their loved ones.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
Okay, what's the public health message you wanted to get up?
Just get I mean, I mean we're trying, aren't we.

Speaker 20 (45:03):
We absolutely are, and I really thank you for getting
that message out there. You know, people who are unsure
of their immunization status should ask their GP. They can
also contact the Vaccination Help Laine and also look on
my health record. So appreciate you getting the message out there,

(45:25):
and we'll all work together to do so.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
You're welcome, Kaarina, Thank you very much for your time.
Appreciated Doctor Corena Gray, who is the Ministry of Health
Director of Public Health.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Five twenty two A hard questions, strong opinion.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
Here the duplicyl and drive with one New Zealand end
the power of satellite mobile new doorgs they'd be.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
Did they actually have enough vaccination vaccine in the country? Lord,
I would normally say yes, but then there was a
time when I don't know if you remember, with COVID
five twenty four. Listen, I've got an update for you
on the social media band for kids situations. So over
in Australia, the social media companies have now admitted they
can kick underage kids off their platforms, and they've admitted

(46:05):
that they will They will start enforcing the ban when
the band in Australia comes into effect on December tenth.
Now this is not a surprise to me that they
can actually do it, because I never believe their nonsense
when they said, oh it's impossible to age verify. I
we posly guess they can read it over in the UK.
Does it age verifies and stops people seeing content. It's
completely possible to do. And it's pretty obvious that they

(46:26):
already have a rough idea of roughly how old the
kids are, because you know, that's why they feed teenage
content to teenage people. What I think we should take
from this, though, is that we should never believe the
social media companies when they say they can't stop kids
using their products. Well, I think you should do is
kind of take the approach of treating them a little
bit like the tobacco companies of old, completely untrustworthy, want

(46:48):
to pedle their product, do not want to stop peddling
their product. In fact, I think, to be honest, that
there is a useful parallel here with the way that
we treat ciggies and how we should be treating social
media companies. We ban kids under the age of eighteen
from buying siggis, We ban them from buying booze because
we know it's bad from them. When they're older, they
can use it, hopefully they use it wisely, but not
when their little brains and their little bodies are still developing.

(47:10):
And I think the same is true of social media.
And yes, like the ciggi's and the booze, the kids
are going to find a way to get their get
around it and get their hands on it. On in
New Year's Eve when they are sixteen, they're going to
get completely drunk. But hopefully it'll be a rare occasion,
not in every weekend type of thing. And in the
case of banning the Booze and the sigies, we could
have left that up to the parents. We could have said, nah,
it's okay, you decide if your kids want to smoke

(47:32):
and drink under the age of eighteen, and parents should
play a role, right. But I think we all decided
as a group that this was worth banning. And I
think we need to do the same thing with social media.
And I think we need to do it mainly for
the social media companies because they are not prepared to
do it themselves until they're fulls to just like in Australia.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Heather Do for see Allen Lord above.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
Hither all I can say is empathy is not going
to fight the measles is it? Hither? The Health Service
is worried about our low heard immunity, but parents who
really want to protect their kids aren't a lot. This
is ridiculous here, that just says the text. Go on listen.
I think I have got an explanation for you, even
though I could not get Karina Gray to say it.
The problem is if you jab a baby under the

(48:12):
age of twelve months, the trade off is that later
in life, it may negatively affect their immunity later in life.
So sure it gives them some coverage when they're under
twelve months when they're little, but then later in life
they may not have as much coverage. Listen, just I
just feel like they need to say that, say it
out loud. Trust us like a you know, trust us
as parents to make the right decision. Frankly, I would

(48:33):
do that trade off. I would protect the baby right
now given there as a outbreak, and then just you know,
we'll see what happens later on in life. Anyway, as
she said, they are reviewing the science, so do not
be surprised if they make the move soon and decide
that we're jabbing the kids under twelve months. That's my prediction.
Andrew Bailey is with us next Newspooks just.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Be digging deeper into the day's headlines.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
It's Heather duplic Ellen drive with one New Zealand coverage like.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
No one else news talks.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
They'd be I remember when we were driving, driving in
your car.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
I'll sound up tig in to view with her. Shortly.
Looks like the system's now recovering after that Microsoft outage
hit last night. It affected here in New Zealand. It
affected A and Z and Parliament's website and real me
in the police website and the Cook Strait Ferries and
the Auckland Transport parking app and Air New Zealand. It
also hit Air New Zealand. They had a difficulty with
the digital process boarding, so they had to go for

(49:33):
the manual boarding. So we'll talk to the CEO about
that after six o'clock right now, it's twenty four away
from six now. As you heard earlier nationally, MP Andrew
Bailey is fighting to clear his name. He says he
was misled about alleged complaints against him that made him
resign from his job as a minister, and he is
with us now, Hi Andrew, Hello Heather Andrew. If you
knew that there was no formal complaint against you, would

(49:53):
you have resigned?

Speaker 12 (49:56):
No?

Speaker 27 (49:56):
I wouldn't have resigned. It wasn't just the formal complaint.
It was the statement that three people corroborated the allegation
and that's that was what made me get to a
position where I offered my resignation. And if I'd known
that now, I wouldn't have.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
Well, because I mean from reading the documents. It seems
like the reason you offered your resignation was even though
you believe you've done nothing wrong, you thought I can't
win a battle against three people's say opposite right.

Speaker 27 (50:21):
Exactly, and I didn't want to cause a distraction to
the party. And you know I do have some principles.
So I made the call or that I would resign
based on what I was presented with, which soon became
apparent that that wasn't the situation.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
Who led you to believe that there was a formal complaint?

Speaker 27 (50:39):
Well, the only time I ever got to talk to
the Department of Internal Affairs, who were initially involved in
looking at the allegation, there was only one meeting. There
never came to me prior to that and actually asked
me what I thought had gone on and anything like that.
But in the meeting was when they had this is

(51:00):
literally an now. But after the out meeting with them,
I then offered by resignation because I said, to how
staff people look, three people. I can't win mine against
three on that basis, I'm resigning.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
Okay, did the Prime Minister's office ever tell you there
wasn't a formal complaint and there wasn't any corroboration.

Speaker 27 (51:21):
No, and of course the operating on the same information
as I had. So you know, we all came to
the I think, to the same conclusion, and I came
to the fear that I wanted to resign, and I
offered the resignation. But I think if feveryone had the
same information that we now know, it might have been
quite a different outcome.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
Now remain though, Andrew, I mean, what makes it suspicious
to me is that the Prime Minister then had an
interview with Mike Hosking the following week and was asked
repeatedly whether he would have sacked you had you not resigned,
and he refused to actually say that for about three minutes,
which suggests he knew that there was no formal complaint.

Speaker 27 (51:58):
No, I don't think that's correctly that I think he
was acting. I offered my resignation, he accepted it, and
he made a decision on my offer. And you know,
rightly wrongly, I shouldn't have offered that resignation if I'd
known what was the situation at the time, if I'd

(52:20):
known what I know now, I wouldn't have offered it.
So I think he was trying to look after me.
I don't blame the Prime Minise, so I don't blame
on his stuff. I think the issue is that we
were all working off the same information, some of which
was incorrect.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
Yeah, now, is this a political stitch up from the
other side, given that Labor found out about this pretty quickly?

Speaker 27 (52:43):
Yeah, well, it certainly got leaped as I understand, to
Labor pretty quickly, and that obviously had a bit of
a bearing on the decision making process. But you know
that's politics, as you know that we all acted in
a sort of a weird environment. But you know that
that wasn't one of the decision That wasn't a key

(53:05):
determined in my decision making. It was the fact that
someone said that all three corroborated the allegation, and that
wasn't the case.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
So what is it that you want?

Speaker 16 (53:15):
Look, I.

Speaker 27 (53:18):
Would obviously love to be a minister minister and you
serve at the pleasure of Prime Minister. But the main
thing for me is I want people to know that
if I had known what I knew now, I wouldn't
have resigned. I shouldn't have resigned, but I did. I
did it in a principal manner, and now that other

(53:39):
information has come to light, I just want people to
know what the real situation is. And you know, you
spend your lifetime trying to build up a reputation and
to see it taken down in a six minute meeting,
which is how long the meeting was, It's pretty devastating.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
Yeah, did the DIA stit you up? Do you think?

Speaker 16 (53:59):
Look?

Speaker 27 (53:59):
I don't think they conducted themselves with sufficient professionalism to
get to the right outcome and the right information. The
information that led me to start pursuing this course even
became available on the morning of my resignation when I
rang the person the mail who I put my hand

(54:20):
on in an encouraging way. He told me when I
rang him that he had not made the allegation, which
was a staggering sort of revelation just before I'm going
out to say that I'm going to resign as a minister,
because up to then I assumed, in thought and been
led to believe that he was the complainant. And he
told me quite cleary he wasn't a complainant and wouldn't

(54:43):
have complained, which was a staggering statement to make.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
Yeah, listen, Andrew good On you for doing this. Takes
a bit of courage to do it, so I hope
you do manage to clear your name. That's Andrew Bailey,
National MP, nineteen away from six.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
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Speaker 3 (55:00):
On the huddle of this evening we have Mark Sainsbury broadcaster,
David Farrake we Blog and Curio Polster Hell are you two?

Speaker 7 (55:06):
Hello?

Speaker 9 (55:06):
How you hear that sayings?

Speaker 3 (55:07):
Are you ever in your time as a political edit
or a political report has seen anybody try to clear
their name?

Speaker 9 (55:14):
Well, you see people, No, not very successfully. This is
a really odd one. I mean when I heard given
Barry and Barry break the story and it was who
are the people are in the meetings?

Speaker 3 (55:26):
I'm want to know? So the people in the meeting
are the one he lays the hand on in what
he says was an enthusiastic conversation, not of an assault.
And then there are two others who are also staffers
who are there.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
But the.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
It suggested that the staffer who has raised the concern
as a staffer who's been there for about twenty four
hours in the office and then has has gone back
to the department or who knows who and said something's happened.

Speaker 9 (55:53):
I mean, David, I don't know what you think. It
just this whole thing seems a bit bonkers.

Speaker 28 (55:59):
Yeah, well, you have to think Bailey's been pretty hard
done by. If you took away the politics for a sec,
if this was an employment relations dispute, the employment tribunal
would be saying this was a terrible process.

Speaker 16 (56:12):
There wasn't natural justice.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Et cetera.

Speaker 16 (56:14):
Now politics doesn't quite.

Speaker 28 (56:16):
Work like that, but it was definitely material about whether
this is one person's view or three person's view. So
I do think Bailey it sounds like has been hard
done by. I don't think this means there's a pass back, though,
because I think time moves on.

Speaker 16 (56:33):
There's new nps wanting.

Speaker 28 (56:35):
To move up the letter, so to speak. But as
you said, good on him for actually saying I care
about my reputation.

Speaker 16 (56:43):
This matters to me.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
Yeah, I mean there is some courage that is required
to do this. Do you think saying so that the
PM's office is going to be stoked about this?

Speaker 12 (56:50):
Though?

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Probably not.

Speaker 9 (56:53):
I mean, the thing I couldn't help but think was that,
you know, they obviously didn't do a lot of due
diligence on this. They were almost sort of maybe happy
to let him go because you had the loser didn't
do too well. So I think there was sort of
you know, no one's looking too care for so here
we go, we've got another problem. Oh he's resigning, Thank
god to that.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
Yeah, probably a little bit of that. Hey, listen, David
Prime Minister did well with with Donald Trump, didn't he.

Speaker 15 (57:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 28 (57:19):
Look, it's as good as an outcome as you can
get based on the best outcome from me with Presdent
Trump is he doesn't suddenly impose an extra fifty percent
teriff on you.

Speaker 16 (57:29):
Like we've done. Think Canada, where he got offended. The
provincial governor.

Speaker 28 (57:34):
Was running at add quoting Ronald greg against terriffs, and
that caused Trump to stop all the negotiations between the countries.
So basically the thing with Trump, he's transactional. You go
and you talk golf, you talk to New Zealand, you
don't actually try and get anything out of him. It's
really just building that relationship.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
Yeah, do you watch a golfer saying Zoe no no,
So no opinions on where they should go golfing when
Donald Trump, not on that.

Speaker 9 (58:05):
I speed the one who get the cup for the
most golf in any of those sort of media things.
We probably in it, but staked to play anyway.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
Fair enough, all right, we'll take a break and come
back to you guys. And just to take sixteen away from.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
Six the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the
global leader in luxury real estate.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
Yeah, back with the huddle. David Pharaoh, Mark Sainsbury. David
is Chris Luckson's wealth fair game in a debate about
capital gains tax.

Speaker 28 (58:33):
It's a cheap tech tak I mean like it's not
the first one to do it where you are a
facially Politicians who are wealthy always been accused of, oh,
you're doing it just because of how it fits you,
which they used it to John Key, and it was
ridiculous because yeah, John Key's will hide whether it's fifty
or one hundred million dollars. And I don't think he

(58:55):
ever did policy based on how it would affect him
because he doesn't have to have to care.

Speaker 16 (59:00):
So I think.

Speaker 28 (59:00):
It's a low blow, but it's what you get in politics.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
What are your Reconcernso yeah.

Speaker 9 (59:06):
Well, look pretty much the same. I mean it was
a gift, wasn't it. You're releasing a capital gains text
and I've seen that already, sort of seen that sale
of his beaks property.

Speaker 7 (59:17):
So you know what a.

Speaker 9 (59:18):
Prime minister owns or ministers and it's all in the
Register of the Canary Interest. So it's public knowledge. And
you know the day the days are gone where you strip.
You know, you didn't even know whether people had a family.
You know, when you're a politician, it's all out there.
So yeah, look and yeah it is a bit low
rent but fair game.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
Yeah it's low rent. But it's effective, isn't it, David.
I mean it's the most effective thing that the Labor
Party has done in the last two weeks.

Speaker 28 (59:43):
Yeah, lock lock, These things can work. Being said that,
my experience as a polster, when you go too aggressive
as an opposition, yes, you damage the government, but you
actually damage your own standing and favorable He is not
positionally the too. You have to be careful about this
stuff because it may be effective, but people don't like

(01:00:05):
it and it can rub off on you. I've seen
that quite a lot over the years. Is the irony
artistfict I have none inside knowledge here. I think lux
And has been some of his houses just because he
doesn't want them as a distraction going forward, so that
ironically it was him getting rid of them. So they
want't be an issue. That's allowed labor to make them

(01:00:26):
an issue.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
Yeah, well, I mean that's exactly right. I don't think there's.

Speaker 28 (01:00:29):
Anyway here is if you've got your money and shares
or managed funds houses though you all how anyone have
more than two houses?

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
No, totally. It's the butter thing all over again. Rates
went up by more, but we're fixated on the price
of butter. Okay, now saying so, I don't know that
the public health guys are doing a very good job
of explaining to world's parents why they can't jab the
kids early.

Speaker 9 (01:00:52):
Look, I couldn't understand you put it to us so clearly,
just explain is the reason you've got no money? Is
it dangerous? What is the reason to not making it available?
And it's a bit like Chris Laxon with Mike when
talking about Bailey. You know, you just it was just
all over the place, and yes, everything we most of us.
I'm sure I believe that the vaccines are valuable and

(01:01:13):
they should be encouraged. Yes, that's a great message, but
mums know best. And if you're a mum and there
is you know, measles developing around you, let the mum
decide what's best for her child, just like the doctor did.

Speaker 7 (01:01:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
Well, I feel a little bit like this. I mean,
and the thing about this, David, that is kind of
counter and it seems to be just a little counterintuitive,
is that we've been told by these guys you need
to get jabbing is really important, especially in the face
of you know, the COVID hesitancy and stuff like that,
and now to be told when we're all like can
we jab and I'm like no, it's a bit weird,
isn't it.

Speaker 28 (01:01:45):
It's still have a typical bureaucracy, like you have the
skied sule. It's all worked out and it's all based
on you know, generally a thing, but doesn't take account
of when there are the measles outbreak, people get scared
if they want to get them six months early. It
shouldn't end up costs in the country more because you
have got her eventually.

Speaker 16 (01:02:03):
I mean.

Speaker 28 (01:02:03):
Yeah, there are no arguments against which is who the
immunity should work. So unless you're in an area with
multiple cases, there just aren't going to be enough.

Speaker 16 (01:02:13):
People for it to spread. But you know, peace of mind.
I am a parent.

Speaker 28 (01:02:18):
I don't want to take RESK with my kids, So
you do need to bureaucracy to show that flexibility.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
Maybe a little bit of empathy actually would be the
thing that the doctor ordered. Now sayings, so, do you
know what six seven means?

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
John, Then I have no idea what this means. Explain
it to me.

Speaker 9 (01:02:37):
Well it is, Well, I'm going I say I know
what it is. I've never used it in my life.
It's a it's a it's a sort of a well it's.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
What yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Passing to David.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
Yeah, I don't know, David.

Speaker 16 (01:02:53):
I feel so old.

Speaker 28 (01:02:54):
I had to google her. I thought I knew some
of the stuff. The ben voice goes on Rose secrets.

Speaker 16 (01:03:01):
I thought I knew. But I've never heard of sixty seven.
It's the year of my birth, so I thought it
was about that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
No, it's never to be pronounced sixty seven. Apparently you can't.
If you say sixty seven.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Don't you You have to yell six seven.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
And then I hope you got the conceven. Yeah, who knows? Okay, jeez, okay,
thanks guys, I appreciate it. You've been really helpful there.
That's Mark Sainsbury David Farrer. I was asking them that
because dictionary dot Com has revealed it as the word
of the year six seven, and they say, you're supposed
to sort of yell it out. It's supposed to be
purposefully nonsensical and slightly absurd, and the kids use it

(01:03:37):
as another way of saying so so or maybe this
may be that. So if you're like, how are you feeling,
they go, oh, six seven, Yeah, I suppose I can
understand that. Just explain it to myself, don't explain it
to you. Eight away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
It's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast
on my Ard Radio powered by News Talk zeb.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
Heather just want to take issue with something that it
was just said, mums don't know best. He's completely wrong.
They aren't immunizing their children and some will die as
they did in some More a few years back. That's
from Shanegeah. I mean that's fair, right, I mean good
muntains no best, crappy mums don't know best and you
have to pick which one of the two you're dealing
with five away from six now, as I was saying
to you earlier, and we're going to speak to their
New Zealand CEO straight after the news now obviously bit

(01:04:20):
of disruption today with the old Microsoft going down lord
two outages and a week how lucky are we, but
also has been in the news for the last week
or so asking for subsidies from the governments. We'll have
a little chat him about that. If you've been following
the story of KFC, you it is a fascinating story
because you will know that the parent company here in

(01:04:42):
New Zealand, Restaurant Brands Brands, has been having a really
tough time at the moment. His share price has come
back eighty percent in the last few years and so on. Anyway,
turns that turns out KFC is having a difficult time
basically globally, and they have a plan to turn things around,
which is to get rid of the bones, because they
reckon the bones in the chicken are the reason that
people aren't eating as much KFC. They say. Since twenty twenty,

(01:05:05):
the amount of bone in chicken sold in stores has
fallen by four percent and Boneless has gone up by
eleven percent. And the problem is basically the gen Zs,
because the gen Zs eat more fast food than anyone else,
but they don't love KFC. They were just six percent
of Cavec's customer based through July this year. I was
asking they if they go in the gen Zs, they

(01:05:26):
go for things that don't have bones, like the tenders
and the nuggets and stuff. And so we have a local,
We have a gen Z on the team, and I
was gonna say I asked him his opinion. I didn't
ask him his opinion. He's got strong opinions on fast food.
He just piped up with his opinion, and he said
he wants to eat his fast food mindlessly and doesn't
want to have to be concerned about, you know, choking
on a bone, working his way around the bone. I

(01:05:48):
guess the grease getting all over your face and your
fingers while you're trying to work your way around the
but you know what I mean. So he just wants
to have like popping in your mouth, easy to go
nugget type situation. KFC doesn't have enough of that on
office or what KFC is now thinking about is how
they start changing their product from the old product that
you and I were perfectly fine with on the odd
occasion that we decided to have the dirty chock. Now
they're going to go into the tenders. So now they

(01:06:10):
have to figure out how do you sell a bucket
of tenders to someone? How many tenders do you having
a bucket of tenders for one person? How many for
two people? Is that okay? Can you just sell them
a bucket of tenders? Do you know what their problem
with that is? Tenders are more expensive, aren't they Because
there's not bone pretending to be tenders, and there's just
full noise chicken coming at you. So the bucket's gonna
have to be smaller anyway. So keep an eye on that,

(01:06:31):
because if you like the bone and the chicken, you're
gonna have to get in there quickly. Looks like it's
one of those things that's going out and maybe you
just feel a little bit, I don't know. Six seven
about that in New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
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and how will it affect the economy? The big business

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Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
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Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
Evening coming up in the next hour. We've had met
a Google Microsoft all report in the last day, so
Sam Dicki's going to talk us through that after half
past Fonterra Sale, going to chat to Jamie McKay about that,
and then we'll head off to the UK at seven
past six. Now, we had the global Microsoft outage this morning,
disrupting websites around the world, and one of the companies
that was affected was of course E New Zealand. Some
flights were delayed as a result, and we have Nicol

(01:07:35):
ravashank In New Zealand's new chief executive and studio with
us right now.

Speaker 10 (01:07:38):
Hey, Nicole Hither, how are you well?

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
Thanks if you managed to sort out this morning's.

Speaker 21 (01:07:42):
Disruption, we have the teams have done an incredible job
dealing with what's been a.

Speaker 10 (01:07:48):
Sort of global outage.

Speaker 21 (01:07:49):
Yeah, has impacted a lot of big organization to run.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
So is everything running to time now? By and large,
everything's running today by E New Zealand standards.

Speaker 21 (01:07:59):
Oh we are.

Speaker 7 (01:08:02):
We're very.

Speaker 21 (01:08:05):
Proud of the fact that you know, well, I'm very
proud of the fact that everyone who works at the
airline takes punctuality very seriously.

Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
I'm so sorry, Like, what a way to start this stree.
You're just straight in there with a low blow. I'm sorry.
Prepare yourself. You're going to get along necessarily in the
next five minutes from mere above. So what did the
guys have to do? They just have to do the
manual boarding, did they Yep.

Speaker 21 (01:08:26):
We call it BCP or Business Continuity Plans, and so
they kick into action a bunch of people across the airline,
So teams all around the airline actually.

Speaker 10 (01:08:37):
Have to have to go into plan B mode.

Speaker 21 (01:08:39):
Yeah, and it's a well rehearsed sort of thing that
we do. Operations center, airport staff are pilots and cabin
crew of course the digital teams. Yeah, and what they're
pulled off today is absolutely incredible.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
Hey, do you know what the other day, I was
jumping on a flight and you know, like I got
to the habit of showing them because you're bored with
it as you get onto and you walk across the
air bridge and then you get on the plane and
then you show them the ticket again. And they were like,
we don't do that anymore? Is that a thing.

Speaker 10 (01:09:09):
Yeah, we've stopped doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
So I don't have to show them that I'm sitting
in one sea. I can just knock over to one sea.

Speaker 10 (01:09:14):
No, we trust that you know you're on the right.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
Thank god, Nicol, is this a you thing?

Speaker 10 (01:09:19):
It was a great thing actually, but God for that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
It was ridiculous like that. We were just like like
double handling, won't we.

Speaker 21 (01:09:26):
Well, every second counts and you know, one of the
big aspirations we have is to be in the top five,
if not the top three airlines around the world as
far as safe on time performance is concerned.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
Well, good luck with that now, Thank you. Thanks, you're
welcomes cheering you on as a customer. Talk to me
about this regional subsidy? Are you really wanting regional subsidy
from the government?

Speaker 21 (01:09:51):
Look, come nine days in the job, and if there's
anything that's clear in my mind is the fact that
a in New Zealand is incredibly critical for New Zealand's
success and that it's a complex business right.

Speaker 10 (01:10:10):
But at the core of it, our purpose for.

Speaker 21 (01:10:13):
Being is to connect New Zealanders to each other, in
New Zealand to the world, and that's more important here
than anywhere else in the world because so much of
our GDP relies on aviation, be it within the country
or connecting New Zealand to regions around the world. So
all of those things are extremely important and that's what

(01:10:33):
I'm sort of focused on doing.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
Yeah, so they've shut you down already though, haven't they.
I mean, Nichola Willis has shut you down. David Siemill
shut you down, Chris Luxon shut you down. So what
do you do now?

Speaker 21 (01:10:43):
Well, you know, I think there is so much alignment
in what we're all trying to achieve, and quite genuinely,
what we all want is to see New Zealand that's thriving,
an economy that continues to grow, where we can create
connections and trade and with with within.

Speaker 10 (01:11:02):
The country and across the world.

Speaker 21 (01:11:03):
And just yesterday I was at the Tourism Industry Association event,
right and there's a group of people who are you know,
representing team It's Team New Zealand and it's best frankly.
And one of the things that we're all trying to
do Government tourism operators us as Air New Zealand is
double tourism's contribution to national GDP. So I think no

(01:11:29):
one shutting anyone down. We're all rowing in the same direction,
but they're all one.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
They were like, no regional subsidy. You need to sort
it out yourself if you if you're going to shut
down a regional route as a Timaru.

Speaker 21 (01:11:42):
Look, I think there are parts of New Zealand that
rely on air travel as their primary form of connectivity.
Be it Tomoru, be it Hokatika, be it Gisbon, be
it Kerry Kerry. You know we take flying in and
out of those regions extremely seriously. We know that it

(01:12:05):
is a lot more than a commercial decision. It's a
lifeline service at times, and we will do everything we
can and everything we should be doing to ensure that
connectivity remains.

Speaker 3 (01:12:17):
So would you shut down to Maru?

Speaker 10 (01:12:20):
There are no plans to shut down to Maru?

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
Is it one of the first ones, because I hear
that's not doing very well.

Speaker 21 (01:12:25):
Well, it's not even in the option set of things
that I'm currently considering good.

Speaker 3 (01:12:31):
So then you don't need the regional subsidy if you're
not thinking about shutting it down.

Speaker 21 (01:12:36):
As I said to you, we're all focused on ensuring
New Zealand are connected to each other and New Zealand's connected.

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
But I would argue, as a taxpayer which has a
shareholding any New Zealand, your primary job is not to connect.
Your primary job is to make money. Isn't it?

Speaker 10 (01:12:53):
If only life with that simple health?

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
I wish it was. But question on that, why is
Quantus doing so much better than you guys?

Speaker 10 (01:13:00):
Look, that's a question for.

Speaker 21 (01:13:03):
Quantas they operate in a very different market to the
one we operate in, but also the same market to
an extent. They operate out of New Zealand, but their
main focus isn't New Zealand. We operate in a very
different market under different market dynamics. We've also, you know,

(01:13:25):
got a very young fleet. We've been investing in the
long term health of the business. We're operating in an
economy that is starting to turn Yeah, but you know,
the last few years have been fairly difficult for us
getting out of COVID, and let's not forget we've had
the incredible bad luck of having engine troubles, which means

(01:13:46):
twenty percent of our fleet is currently grounded.

Speaker 3 (01:13:49):
So you've been unlucky, right, there's an element of being
unlucky here.

Speaker 10 (01:13:53):
It's been tough.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
Yeah, how's your first two weeks as chief executive.

Speaker 10 (01:13:57):
It's been a thrilling ride.

Speaker 21 (01:14:02):
It has been very full on, but it's also you know,
when you think about the reasons you'd want to do
this job for me, I decided a while back that
I dedicate.

Speaker 10 (01:14:14):
My career to a New Zealand Inc.

Speaker 21 (01:14:16):
Sort of a set of challenges and doing a job
like this is one of the great honors really if
that's what you want to do, because you can actually
have a major impact on the future of the country.

Speaker 10 (01:14:30):
And what a privilege to do a job like that too.

Speaker 3 (01:14:32):
Right, well, listen, I can only wish you well, Nicol,
and it's lovely to meet you, and thank you very
much for coming in and best of luck with running
the company and hope hopefully your luck turns. Nicol Revshenker,
Chief Executive, Air New Zealand. Coming up quarter past six.

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Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
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Speaker 3 (01:15:57):
Donald Trump has just lowered tariffs on China and announced
it into Rare Earth's roadblock. This is after the g meeting,
so we'll get you across that detail when we can.
It's coming up. Nineteen passicks and Jamie mckaye, host of
the Countries with US. Hello Jamie, Hello here.

Speaker 12 (01:16:10):
I say, take Trump, So why Iraki on with former
Prime Minister Key on that one? I think you can
display a whole lot of stuff in one hit there.
I mean, Tara's beautiful, but it's just like a flash
links course somewhere else around the world. I think of
all of our golf courses and we've got Cowie Cliffs
and Cape Kidnappers, I'd say Wairaki's the one that'll showcase

(01:16:33):
New Zealand the best.

Speaker 9 (01:16:34):
There you go.

Speaker 12 (01:16:35):
I hope he's a good bunker player.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
Oh yeah, well see this is the thing. This is
That's that's how Luxon betrayed the fact that he's not
very good at golf. Right he just picked the one
that he knows about.

Speaker 7 (01:16:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:16:45):
Probably, But I'm sure John Key, even if Trump can't
remember him, would be a good person to take him golfing,
because let's face it, I mean he's a bit of
an egotist Old Trump, he isn't he We just take
him butter him up, tell him what he wants to hear,
and he might drop some tariffs for us as well.

Speaker 9 (01:17:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
Jk's a good time for four hours. I'd imagine. Now
not a surprise at all, was it that Fonterra's vote
came back so overwhelmingly positive?

Speaker 12 (01:17:08):
No, Look, if you had to have a stab in
the dark at this one, I reckon I would have
gone ninety ten on this one. So you know, like
eighty eight and a half percent of the farmers that
voted are voted for it. No surprise at or. We
don't look a three point two billion dollar gift horse
in the mouth, especially after some challenging times for the
farming industry. And look, as Peter McBride said today when

(01:17:30):
he was addressing the press, this is Fonterra concentrating on
what it does well, as opposed to the old days
under Tao sparrings where they tried to take on the
world and do things that they didn't do as well
as some other people. Look, leave the consumer brands to
the likes of Luck Talis. I've been practicing that one,

(01:17:51):
especially for you, Heather, and get us to do what
we do really well, and that's the ingredients business and
producing the raw material to the high standard.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
Are you going to go to Tasman for the best
heading dogs competition?

Speaker 12 (01:18:05):
Well, it's not not Tasman. It's a trans Tasman sheep
dog trans tesman Hea. There we're taking on the assis,
you know they ripped us off and the dying minutes
last night and the netball we're.

Speaker 4 (01:18:17):
Going rash person.

Speaker 3 (01:18:18):
That's close by.

Speaker 12 (01:18:19):
You can go there, well, not that close by. It's
like about four hours up the road either.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
End.

Speaker 12 (01:18:27):
By the time in New Zealand get me there, it
would cost me an arm and a leg at short notice.
So I'd be much cheaper to watch it on Telly.
I don't know if it's even on Telly, but this
is up against the US, up against the Aussies and
the dog trials. You might remember the good old days
of a dog show starring the late John Gordon, very
popular on TV. This is a great spectator sport. They
bring the sport to the people instead of having up

(01:18:49):
on the hills with the hunter ways. So this is
kind of a hybrid course. It's at the Ashburton amp Showgrounds.
They've kind of morphed OSSI dog trialing tech next with
ours to make it fair for both nations. We go
where we're competing for the Walago Cup.

Speaker 7 (01:19:06):
Heather.

Speaker 12 (01:19:06):
Now that's a terminology which means in slang sort of
come away and let go. That's where Walergo came from.
That's an instruction to a dog. Eyed myself for thirty
Fred Dagg getting behind yelling from a distance. But every
man and his dog to what they want themselves. So
we've been competing at in this Cup since nineteen eighty five.

(01:19:27):
We've won twenty one of thirty seven contests. So it's
all on tomorrow. The New Zealand team is captain by
Mid Canterbury local Mark Copeland, and they're going to be
really out to win this four of them because last
time they competed in nash Burton and twenty twenty three
their captain Neil Evans led them to victory. Unfortunately, Neil,

(01:19:48):
a bit of a legend and dog trialing circles, tragically
lost his life last year in a quad bike accident
on a farm.

Speaker 7 (01:19:54):
So watch out the Kiwis. I think they're going to
give it to the Aussies.

Speaker 5 (01:19:57):
Oh I like that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:58):
Hey, thanks very much, Jamie, look after yourself. We'll talk
to you next week. Jomy McKay hosted The Country Hither
did you hear Nichols say earlier in the interview? I
have heard he's been briefed about you. Well I did wonder.
I thought, oh, have you been briefed that I've got
a thing with punctuality? But then I was like, no,
he might have just been brief that the entire country
of New Zealand has a thing with punctuality, don't you
think six twenty three.

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you.
The Business Hour with Hender Duper, c Allen and maz
for insurance investments and Huiye Safer and you're in good
hands news talks, that'd be yes.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
So a little bit more on the detail from Donald Trump.
He also said that China has agreed to buy large amounts,
tremendous amounts of the soybeans and the farm products are
going to be purchased immediately, and they came to an
understanding that China would ease controls that Beijing has imposed
on rare earth exports. So a bit of movement there. Listen,
would you be impressed if I told you that the

(01:20:51):
other day I pulled it? This is not the bit
to be impressed by. I pulled a jacket out of
the cupboard that I hadn't worn for a little while,
and I stuck my hand in the pocket and I
pulled out my farmer whistle. You know the farmer whistle,
the one that's like flat and you put it, you
do the sheep dogs with it.

Speaker 22 (01:21:05):
I put it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:05):
I put it in my mouth as you do when
you find a whistle. A media like, I don't know
how dirty this is, and it goes and away and amazing.
Can do it. I haven't done it in years, can
still do it. Can absolutely get the sheep sheep dogs
to do it. Are you impressed by that, because Fra,
I'm not gonna lie to you. When I did that
at home by myself, I was impressed by that. Six
twenty six.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
After So there's lots of chat about nukes at the moment.
There's a new movie on Netflix just to add to
a little bit more chatt and it's called House of Dynamite.
It's directed by Catherine Bigelow, who was the first woman
to win Best Director for The hurt Locker. She's also
done movies like Zero Dark thirty about the Oshama b
This Bin Laden Assassi assassination, and Soon Anyway. Her new
movie follows what would happen in the twenty minutes after

(01:21:51):
a nuke is launched at the United States.

Speaker 4 (01:21:54):
None of us are going to be your wife, Camora.
There is We did Harry.

Speaker 3 (01:22:01):
So it's very gripping. It's got wide praise, apparently worth
a watch. But it turns out the Pentagon doesn't love
it because they don't love how the US's defenses have
been portrayed. So here's some spoilers. Okay. In the movie,
America's anti missile defense system fails, with a character saying
they only have a sixty percent chance of working, and
an elite internal memo from the Pentagon in response to

(01:22:21):
the film said that their interceptors have displayed a one
hundred percent accuracy rate in testing for more than a decade,
although external agencies like the Union of Concerned Scientists kind
of disagree with that. Now, Bigelow has hit back at
the Pentagon bold choice. She says her films are works
of fiction that lean in hard on realism. She hopes
the film will spark conversation about nuclear proliferation and isn't

(01:22:42):
meant to be one hundred percent accurate. And the film
has already been watched by over twenty million people. In
its first three days of release, and with Trump restarting
America's nuclear testing program. Maybe he was one of them
who knows does get his ideas from weird places? No
to answer a question, No, No. Sheep dogs came to
the house after Right Blue the whistled by myself. I was,

(01:23:03):
as I say, just impressed, momentarily very.

Speaker 5 (01:23:05):
Impressed by I'm sure they're on their way.

Speaker 3 (01:23:07):
Come on, I come on, they just got a lot.
It's a long trip from tie Happy where they heard me.
Because it's so good. Sam Dickey is with us next Ry.

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
It's Heather due for se Ellen with the Business Hour,
and Mass for insurance investments and Kiwi Saber, you're in
good hands news talks.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:23:46):
Whether that movie is crack. It shows things from three
different angles and then has no real ending. Heather House
of Dynamite sucked two hours of my life. I wasted.
Regards Liz Hither, the movie may have been watched by
twenty million, but I was one of the twenty million
that wasted two hours of my life watching it, and
I would seriously recommend giving it a miss, as it
leaves you hanging with no real story at the end,

(01:24:08):
because she did did I say, just before she did
the hurt Locker ed. I don't know if you remember
the hurt Locker, but the hurt Locker was kind of
I don't know, was it really that good? Like, I
don't think it was that good, was it. I think
it's just one. I think she's artsy. That's why everyone
loves that she's atsy. Anyway, we're going to go to
the UK shortly twenty three away from seven. Now three
of the Big US are Big seven US tech companies

(01:24:31):
have reported earnings today. You had Meta Microsoft, Google and
that makes it basically ten million or ten trillion dollars
rather of market cap. Sam Dickie from Fisher Funds is
with us on this high Sam.

Speaker 16 (01:24:41):
How's it going?

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
Heater?

Speaker 8 (01:24:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:24:42):
Very well, thank you. So what's going on with the
AI capex supercycle? Is it slowing down? Is it's speeding up?
What's up?

Speaker 29 (01:24:48):
It is staggering. The numbers are staggering, so it's accelerating
and accelerating at a pretty rapid pace. So four context,
a couple of years ago, the Big four combined, so
that's METEM, Microsoft, Google, who reported today as you said,
in Amazon spending about one hundred and fifty billion on
a capital expenditure, and this year they're going to spend

(01:25:08):
three to fifty billion, and next year it now looks
like they're going to spend it half a trillion dollars.
And every quarter they report numbers, these forecasted capital expenditure
numbers just keep getting ratcheted up, and not by small amounts.
It's accelerating in fifty billion increments. And why is this happening?
And it's the prison's dilemma. They can't afford to not

(01:25:32):
accelerate their spend in case one of their competitors gets
the jump on them. And it's this relentless race to
get to AGI, it seems, and that's that AI that
matches or exceeds human intelligence.

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
Now, what did you see in the results that shed
light on the return on investment that they're generating on
this massive spend.

Speaker 29 (01:25:53):
It's the It literally is, as you said, the ten
trillion dollar plus plus question. The good news is the
investments are dividends. So every quarter that Meta and Google,
for example, are reporting their revenues and profits recently, they
are also accelerating, so they are also beating expectations, and
that happened today, and that is because they are deploying

(01:26:14):
a lot of these This kapis So this CAPEX is
going into, as we've talked about before, accelerated compute computer
chips or GPUs, which in video sales. And that's because
they're deploying a lot of those accelerated compute computer chips
into their core advertising engines. And that's delivering you and
I more relevant ads and frankly making us spend more

(01:26:36):
money and buy more relevant products. However, there is a
huge chunk of this, you know, half a trillion dollars
next year of Capex that's going into more experimental AI,
brand new AI products and services. And I think Zuckerberg
said it best or worst when he was specifically asked
about the return on invested capital on this experimental AI spend,

(01:26:57):
and he just.

Speaker 16 (01:26:57):
Waffled, waffled and waffled.

Speaker 29 (01:27:00):
Probably worth listening to a few, said waffle. In short,
the revenue streams and returns are simply not the yet
on the experimental AI.

Speaker 3 (01:27:07):
Okay, well, what does this then mean for investors?

Speaker 29 (01:27:11):
Well, to earn the right to spend these huge amounts,
it's critical that the companies keep beating revenue and earning
the expectations, which.

Speaker 2 (01:27:20):
They have been.

Speaker 29 (01:27:20):
But what is super interesting as for the first time
today two out of the three companies the stock prices
were down after market. So despite Microsoft and met A
beating revenue and profits, they were down after market. And
that's really that the market for the first time given
them the shot across the bow, starting to lose patients

(01:27:42):
and really saying to them, you need to start showing
better returns and even faster revenue growth on the back
of this massive investment, or we will sell your stock
down and force you to stop spending so much. So
it's fascinating stuff.

Speaker 9 (01:27:53):
Sam.

Speaker 3 (01:27:54):
So we had Nickel Rabshank in the studio earlier and
he let slip the you and you and he ride
bikes together. Mammo, Yeah, that is what you are.

Speaker 29 (01:28:07):
I have occasional hutherin neck ll not not enough, unfortunately, haven't.

Speaker 16 (01:28:10):
I need to get out there more often.

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
Actually, well, there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
Hey, thank you very much. Look after yourself and keep
yourself safe on the bike. Sam, it's a dangerous thing.

Speaker 9 (01:28:17):
Sam.

Speaker 3 (01:28:17):
Dicky Fisher funds nineteen away from seven. Heither do for
c Allen gi The House of dynamite, I agree, a
waste of an evening. Kept thinking it would improve, and
then the way it ended dot dot really So anyway,
now I'm almost tempted to watch it just to see
how bad it is, but I am not going to
because you know, mummies don't have enough. By the way,
I just can I say Hosking sometimes Hosking is bang

(01:28:37):
on a ed boy? Did he get it right? With
the old and just like that? You know the Sex
and the City, the reboots season three? That was fantastic,
wasn't it. It wasn't the ending of that great? That
was how it all should have ended the whole time.
I'm not gonna let it go. I mean, I'm not
going to give you the spoiler, but that is how
it always should have ended for Carrie. I just loved it.

Speaker 10 (01:28:56):
It's brilliant.

Speaker 3 (01:28:57):
Sad that's the end of that for us, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:28:59):
Wellington City Can Council, Wellington City Council strikes again. Wait
till you hear this one. So they've got a problem
with the speed limit that is actually not the real
life speed limit and they can't enforce it. So this
is if you know Wellington, It's on our tier.

Speaker 24 (01:29:17):
Key.

Speaker 3 (01:29:17):
So you're coming in from the motorway right yet you're
driving south from you know wherever sad Highway one and
you take the first turn off down out here, Key,
and so you're going to go past the Caketon. The
Caketon's going to be on your right. Just before you
get to the Caketon, they've put in a roundabout. It's
just a traffic calming thing. There's no you don't actually
need it. So you don't actually need there's not an intersection,
you don't need a roundabout. They're just trying to calm

(01:29:39):
everybody down and make everybody slow down, right. So as
a result, they've then dropped the speed limit to fifty,
but they forgot to do the paperwork finished, so the
speed limit actually really is seventy, even though the signs
still seventy because that's what it was beforehand. But the
signs now say fifty. But you can't enforce it. You
can't just fake it like that with people. So now
what they've had to do is they've had to take

(01:29:59):
the signs down, so there are no speed signs now
they're at all telling you, from what I understand, telling
you what speed you're supposed to be driving. So now
they basically need to find a way to resubmit the paper.
We can do the consultation and stuff to get it
actually made into a fifty k speed zone because they
have to. They can't leave it at seventy because the
roundabout's not designed to handle speed coming at seventy. So

(01:30:20):
if they leave it at seventy, they have to rip
the roundabout out and start again and put a new
roundabout in. So yeah, so they're going to have to
do the paperwork again and they're going to have to
make it fifty and they have to go back to consultation.
Wellington City Council after the UK next seventeen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:30:37):
Whether it's the macro micro or just plain economics, it's
all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and
Mass for Insurance Investments and Huie Safer.

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
If you're in good hands us talksv.

Speaker 3 (01:30:51):
Hither the House of Dynamite was a waste of an
even kept thinking it would improve and then the way
it ended was really frustrating. Listen. Actually, Antsy's got a
theory on this, so ange'll tell us about that shortly.
So standby so it might explain something here.

Speaker 16 (01:31:05):
What do I want?

Speaker 3 (01:31:06):
Oh yeah, listen, I've got to tell you. Have you
seen the latest complaints about the curriculum. You know how
everybody's complaining about the curriculum. Everybody's complaining about Erica Stanford's curriculum.
The latest complaints about the maths curriculum, and the complaints
are it's too difficult, it's more difficult, and there's more maths.
Without a word of a lie, this is what people

(01:31:26):
are complaining about, more difficult, more maths, longer list of
maths procedures and vocabularies to vocabulary to be memorized each
year in school. Also very upset that the year six
pupils are going to have to calculate with rational numbers
when previously we left it until to year eight. Literally
complaining about more maths and more difficult I just want
to set the record straight. I'm okay with them learning

(01:31:48):
more difficult maths because currently we are sitting, according to PISA,
below the OECD average for what our children know about maths.
So more maths and more difficult maths, that's okay by me.
Thirteen from Steven Elizabeth Callahan, UK correspondence with that's hello, Elizabeth.

Speaker 30 (01:32:04):
Hello, I'm okay with that as well. If my daughter
was given more maths and it was more difficult, I'd
be cool.

Speaker 3 (01:32:10):
With that, Thank you, said every parent everywhere. Now, Elizabeth,
how devastating is it to find out that old mate,
the six offender migrant guy got paid to leave the country.

Speaker 22 (01:32:21):
Hmm.

Speaker 30 (01:32:22):
Yeah, it's not gone down well as you may expect.
He has been deported, but to Ethiopia. That happened on
Tuesday night after he was accidentally released from jail, just
you know, just left roaming the streets. And now it's
emerged that he was given a discretionary payment of five
hundred pounds to make sure that he didn't bring some

(01:32:49):
kind of legal legal case to disrupt his removal. Now
this does happen. Apparently it's shining a light certainly on
what goes on. And you can pay up to fifteen
hundred hounds, so it could have been worse, I suppose.
But questions are being raised by the opposition. The Conservatives
are calling it an absolute disgrace, and the lib Dems

(01:33:11):
of saying that the payment is outrageous and people will
rightly be angry, and they certainly are so I thought
it was going to be all over. I'd have no
more stories about this this man, this forty one year old,
but it just keeps going on and on and on.
So five hundred pounds just to get him out so

(01:33:33):
that he wouldn't, you know, bring any kind of legal
that was going to you know, just.

Speaker 12 (01:33:39):
I kind of get it. I kind of get it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:41):
It looks like it is. It is a perfect like
if there is the easiest way to get him out
of the country after all of the kafuffle that's gone
with them, gone on with them, absolutely get him out.
But the fact that you people cannot just remove people
who shouldn't be in your country is the That's the
heart of the problem, isn't it. So clearly there's going
to be a lot of presure to change there. Listen,
tell me what's gone on. The Loover robbers.

Speaker 30 (01:34:02):
So the two men were arrested for this brazen robbery
that took place a couple of weeks ago. Now, according
to the Paris prosecutor, they have said that this pair
and custody have partially admitted their involvement in the robbery.

(01:34:24):
They are suspected of being the two men who use
power tools to take out the window of the Apollo
Gallery and steel the French Crown Jewels. Eighty eight million
euros worth of jewelry was stolen from this world famous
museum earlier this month, and the prosecutor was also addressing

(01:34:46):
evidence at press conference yesterday. Sorry addressing rumors or news
reports that the theft was an inside job. So prosecutor
was saying, no, no accomplices worked at the muse, but
certainly they're obviously investigating all areas and all angles and

(01:35:07):
that they're not ruling out the possibility that there were
more than the four suspects caught on CCTV and as
you can imagine, I mean, this was a highly organized heist,
wasn't it. Unfortunately, no word on where the jewels are presently.

Speaker 3 (01:35:22):
Very interesting. Hey, thank you, Elizabeth, there's always appreciated. Look
after yourself. That's Elizabeth Callahan, UK correspondent. So what also
is KMAT is the first KMAT in the country to
do this thing. They are going to charge you to
use the trolley. If you've some parts of the world,
the airport's do it. You know, you go up and
you have to like put a coin in and then
the trolley it releases the mechanism, you can take the

(01:35:43):
trolley away. So they're going to charge you to use
the trolley, and it's going to cost you fifty cents.
And if you don't have a fifty cents, you can
go in to the k Maut you can buy yourself
a fifty cents and then you can use the fifty
cents and then you can use the trolley. And the
reason they're doing this is because they're trying to get
people to stop stealing the trolleys. Now I don't want
to point out the floor in this, but the floor

(01:36:05):
is fifty cents is a cheap trolley, isn't it? I mean,
fifty cents is a cheap trolley. So if you were
going to steal that trolley before, and you still want
to steal that trolley, it's just gonna cost you fifty cents.
That's not a dis incentive, is it. I mean what like,
I don't know what is a distance? I like, if
you really want a trolley for, God only knows what
you want a trolley for, I don't know how much

(01:36:26):
is like at what point it stops being that like
worth it? Because I feel like if you if you're thinking, geez,
I really need to get all this stuff across the office.
I know what I need, O Camar trolley. I reckon
i'd pay ten dollars for that. Maybe i'd even go
to twenty. So I'm not sure there and there's no
coin for that, so I don't know that they can
even really stop the problem of what it'll be is

(01:36:47):
they'll stop the kind of like just the by chance theft.
You know, somebody's walking fasca it's a trolley and take
off with it. They're gonna stop that. But if you
want to steal a trolley fifty cents has a bargain
ate away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:37:01):
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Speaker 3 (01:37:08):
Heither if you take it back, you get your money back.
Are you going to go back for fifty cents? I'm
not going to go back for fifty cents? I mean, like,
I don't even feel like that's a rich prick thing
to say. I'm not going back for Laura, come off
it the other half, Liver, You are not going back
for fifty cents?

Speaker 5 (01:37:24):
Why it's fifty cents?

Speaker 3 (01:37:27):
Like it's fifty Is this like an OECD like an
o C, OECD and OCD thing feel like you've got
a collect the money.

Speaker 5 (01:37:34):
It's just an what do I lose? I lose maybe
five minutes of my life for fifty you're five. Think
about how much paid I'm going to pay ten cents
of mint. That's a good enough reak for me.

Speaker 3 (01:37:43):
About how much you're paid by this. Your five minutes
is worth more than fifty cents.

Speaker 5 (01:37:48):
I actually know. No, I just don't think you're going
to notice I'd go back for two dollars extra time
that you're wouldn't you go back for a dollar fifty?

Speaker 3 (01:37:56):
No, I go back for two dollars. I'm with the
maximum coin.

Speaker 5 (01:38:00):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:38:00):
I can't believe you people. I can't believe that you're
shocked at this. Laura has her hand on her head
like she's listening to Mike Hosking talking about the fact
that he employs somebody to hang his art or like
the guy who washes his cars. It's not even in
the same It's like fifty cents is not on the
same board.

Speaker 5 (01:38:15):
Buy some plain yoga the other day, and I think
I bought one pottle because it was about thirty cents
cheaper than they do that.

Speaker 3 (01:38:24):
I would do that, but that's because I'm standing right
there and it's like that, there's no there's no there's
no cost of my time. I can pick that one
up with that one fifty cents going back and put
in the trolley back of hell now and then you've
got to you gotta deal with the wobbly wheels. Oh,
just rub your nuts. And so why are people liking
Catherine Begelow?

Speaker 5 (01:38:39):
Well, yeah, okay, so Catherine Begelow. I think she made
Point Break right in nineteen ninety one, which is.

Speaker 3 (01:38:44):
A surprise to hear because that's a long time between
Point Break and her.

Speaker 5 (01:38:49):
She's been making films all the way through that no
one ever heard of. Wow, I mean some people.

Speaker 3 (01:38:53):
Okay, Yeah, so she's still got cachet from them.

Speaker 5 (01:38:56):
Well, I mean's Point Break if you've seen it as brilliant,
So she like she's a very good direction.

Speaker 3 (01:39:00):
Seen it? What are you doing?

Speaker 5 (01:39:01):
Yeah? Yeah, well no, for the listener's not all worst
but yeah, so yeah, a lot of people in texting
and complaining about the endings. So of course I haven't
seen this movie, but this new one, this Nuclear War one,
but they're complaining about the ending, So I wonder if
if you don't mind ambiguous endings, well maybe anyway, I'll
watch it tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:39:17):
You like an ambiguous in so this sounds right up.

Speaker 5 (01:39:19):
I like an ambiguous ending, So I will give it
a chance tonight and we'll see. We'll see what I
think tomight.

Speaker 3 (01:39:23):
Okay, but I'm not here for that Tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (01:39:25):
I'm going to Supersonic by Oasis to play us out tonight.
Have an amazing time here to look It's let us sweet.

Speaker 3 (01:39:32):
I'm going to Melbourne, which I hate, on an Air
New Zealand plane which I have mixed feelings, and Nicol
Nicol and the priest lady said they are going to
make sure that flight is running on time, so you're well, disagrees,
welcome to everybody else who's on the flight. But how
good is Oasis is going to be?

Speaker 5 (01:39:51):
Ill tell you what? Yeah, that should be like of
even being in Melbourne. I'm sure you'll find something to
enjoy about this trip.

Speaker 3 (01:39:58):
Yes, do you know what. I'm just not to go
to the northern suburbs because the northern suburbs are the
things that suck about Melbourne. So I'm just going to
restrict myself to the call.

Speaker 5 (01:40:05):
But sure there'll be an after party or something. You
can go to Nord.

Speaker 3 (01:40:08):
Can you imagine how cool that would be? And we're
just so wild that fight would be fantastic. Anyway, listen,
enjoy it, but it'll be it's two hours later. I'll
be very tired, so I'll be on New Zealand Times.
Enjoy yourself and I'll see you on Monday. News Talks
Edbek

Speaker 1 (01:40:30):
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