Full Show Podcast: 30 September 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's Jack tame on, Heather Duplicy Allen Drive with one
New Zealand Let's get connected new Stalk.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
SEDB Shelden, New Zealand. Good afternoon, Welcome to News Talks dB.
Jack tame in for Heather Duplicity Allen. This week forty
three items on the government's latest to do list. Most
of them we were expecting. Most of them have been signaled,
things like passing legislation to reverse the ban on oil

(00:33):
and gas exploration. There are some interesting little tidbits that
have come out, and the government's latest action plan though
apparently in Q four this year, before Christmas, they will
take cabinet decisions on the future of the greyhound racing industry. Anyway,
we're going to go through the list, tell you about
the action plan throughout the show this afternoon, and then
Infrastructure and Housing Minister Chris Bishop, who probably makes up

(00:53):
about a third of the things on the action plan,
is going to be with us right after five o'clock.
Right now, it's seven minutes past for Jack. Well between
the Cookstrait fairies and the changing plans for Dunedin Hospital,
I reckon the government is at growing risk of a
major problem with its support around the South Island. It's
obvious right like communities outside of Auckland and Wellington, maybe

(01:17):
to a slightly lesser extent, but communities outside of Auckland
and Wellington often quite rightly feel like a bit of
an afterthought in the considerations of Wellington decision makers. But
I gotta say it was nonetheless remarkable to see so
many people take to the streets in Dunedin over the weekend,
thirty five thousand protesters with barely any notice. And of

(01:40):
course it isn't just Dunedin's residence, right It is all
of those regional communities that were supposed to be served
by the new hospital, who feel lied to, who feel misled,
And if the fury of those crowds is anything to
go by, this is only the start of what's going
to be ongoing, very very public, prominent protest action. As

(02:06):
for the hospital itself, is anyone surprised that the cost
of this thing has spiraled once again? I'm not even
outside of pandemic eraror supply chain issues in New Zealand
has a consistent habit of blowouts in the cost of
infrastructure development and look, no one's disputing that these are
tricky economic times. But every time the government makes one

(02:28):
of these high profile cost saving Captain's calls, the communities
on the receiving end will prickle. The Health and Infrastructure
ministers warn that the cost of the need and hospital
could blow out to three billion dollars if they continue
with the original design, but that is awfully close to
the revenue cost of the landlord tax changes, which the

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government prioritized when it took office. Governing's about choices. Governing
is about choices, and in the eyes of those in
the South, this choice will not be forgotten or forgiven
any time soon. Jack D nine nine two is the
text number if you want to flip me a note

(03:11):
this afternoon. Jacket newstalk s head b dot co dot
nz is the email addresses. The focus continues to be
on the future of small town New Zealand regional New Zealand,
with a leading academic adding to the conversation this morning
saying that quote tough conversations are needed. So we've seen
Windstone Pulp close in the u a Pehu district. We've

(03:32):
now got Alliance proposing to shut its meat works in Tamudo.
That alone is hundreds of jobs gone, potentially hundreds of
people flying off to Australia. Senior Lecturer of geography at
Otago University, doctor Sean Connolly says the towns can be
built back up if they're prepared to adapt to a
new reality.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
Once you reach a certain critical mass, the options for
the future get narrowed.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
So is there anything the government can do to help
with this? Shane Jones is the Minister for Regional Development.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Up Greetings, folks, are you worried.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
That we are going to lose some of our small towns?

Speaker 5 (04:06):
Well, we're going through a major structural adjustment, whether we
like it or not here in our economy. It's not
just to do with COVID, but land use changes are
taking place. Energy prices largely driven by the need to
achieve certain climate goals, sadly driving industry, if not to
a smaller size, potentially out of New Zealand. And I

(04:26):
don't like it.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
We're hang on. You think that the decline of regional
populations is all down to the response to climate.

Speaker 5 (04:32):
Change, Well, if we're not going to maintain access to
gas and coal during a managed transition and we're going
to continually make it more difficult through regulations for farmers
to sustain production. We are going to see a contraction
of the economy around some of our small towns.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
We've been experiencing a contraction in those populations for decades though,
haven't we.

Speaker 6 (05:00):
Well.

Speaker 5 (05:00):
What keeps those populations going, though, is the local economy.
And one thing that we've been really good at in
New Zealand, or certainly in my lifetime anyhow, has been the.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Production of food.

Speaker 5 (05:11):
Like I just had the people from the vegetable growers
in my office last week. They find that the regulations
pertaining to their water utilization, the application of fertilizer has
become so restrictive that they fear that we're going to
go towards importing more food rather than growing it ourselves.
So it's time for a reset.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
So what else can the government do from a policy
perspective to keep those small towns thriving?

Speaker 7 (05:37):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (05:37):
I think I've I personally, I think I've delivered because
a lot of those small towns you're refer into city
on the coast, they depend on agriculture. And when we
take a pragmatic view about regulation, for example, I extended
all the marine farming purpose through.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
To twenty fifty.

Speaker 5 (05:52):
That leaves more money in the business people have the
confidence to invest and that's the growth industry for New Zealand,
and it is going to sustain a lot of small
towns that have been yeah in Strugglers Gully.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
What other from a migration perspective, are there immigration settings
that you could tinker with that might help to support
regional New Zealand.

Speaker 5 (06:16):
Well, I don't know how many of the workers associated
with Alliance Networks where we're kiwis and how many were say,
not RC workers, but migrant labor. There is a need
in some cases for migrant labor. But my main point
is land use change is taking place. There is a

(06:38):
situation where a lot of dairy dislocated sheep farmers, some
forestry dislocated sheep farmers. But these are the owners of
land and property making decisions that they feel are in
the best interests of them and their families, and that's
having an impact on local industry. Okay, so what do
we do. Do we go through to a central planning

(06:59):
model or do we give more powered local government to
stop land use changes. One of the great gems of
genius in our system in New Zealand is that you've
been able to change the way in which you use
land to chase outcomes that generate the best economic return.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
Hey, I'm not sure if you saw at the weekend
they had a couple of massive public meetings around one
overtu and what offena regarding the prospect of road tolling.
What is your response to that?

Speaker 5 (07:30):
Yeah, I got questioned on that during my meeting at Bulls.
All I'd say to your listeners is that I come
from tay Torcido and every time we even our polies,
every time we drive north, we pay a toll and
we've been doing that for a long time. A toll

(07:50):
was never imposed on the Golden Highway and the Golden
Triangle when Stephen Joyce upgraded the roads in and around
Hamilton down towards Cambridge, and perhaps an opportunity she was
missed there. But you know, I'd call for a bit
of FeNiS here. Obviously any toll has to be informed
by equity. But I'd remind the people of Munoa two,

(08:11):
those of us who live in Taytalkido in the North,
we already pay a toll every time we leave Auckland and.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
Finally I saw you got into a bit of a
scrap this afternoon. Wow, not really a scrap, but a
bit of a barney on Lampton Key with some climate protests.
What happened?

Speaker 5 (08:26):
Oh, look, I went down to get a haircut. They
were originally they were originally in front of Parliament and
I missed them, so I was going down for a haircut.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
So you ended up giving one instead.

Speaker 5 (08:37):
Well, they were pretty keen to figuratively sculpt me, but
it was a bit of a war of words, but
nothing too imaging. But hey, you know, I'm a rhetorician,
so I should expect a bit of the return fire
from time to time.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Fair enough, Thank you very much of your time. We
appreciate it that as Shane Jones, thank you for your
feedback as well. Jack spot On, thank you for your
comments and coverage regarding to Needen Hospital. There's been very
little conversation from my perspective, but that's not unusual for
those of us who live in the South. I'm a
right wing voter and I'm absolutely furious with Christopher Luxen
and co. Jack give us a break. The people protesting
at the weekend, I bet didn't vote for this government.

(09:13):
There is one thing the left does well, and that's protest.
And isn't it nice to have a government that tells
you what they plan to do and then do it.
I think that would be the criticism of many of
those people who are out protesting at the weekend. They
feel like during the election campaign that certain assurances were
given that Dunedin would have the full hospital plan as

(09:35):
was originally designed. Thanks for feedback, though ninety two ninety
two is the text number. We are going to have
a close look at the Deeden hospital situation after five
o'clock this evening. Right now though, is sixteen past four.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c
Allen drive with one New Zealand one giant leaf for
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Speaker 3 (10:01):
Nineteen past four on news talks, he'd be Jack Shane
Jones doesn't have to pay a toll to go north.
There are free roads, says Stephen. It's my understanding, Stephen
that for all toll roads, if they're introducing them, there
has to be a free option. Now, the free option
might be a pain in the butt. Might be super windy,
the road might be crap, it might take you ages,
but there has to be a free option. Jack, don't
mind paying a toll, but four dollars thirty every way

(10:21):
For goodness sake, this is a very low income area.
Many struggle as it is. Thanks for your feedback. I'll
get to more of that very shortly. Right now, though,
it is time to catch up with our sports talk
hosts for this evening. Jason Pine is in the hot
seat from seven Galder Pinney Keller. Jack, So what's your
view as a proud Wellingtonian try and put your bias
aside for a moment here. Should TJ pett Natter go

(10:42):
on the end of year Northern Tour?

Speaker 8 (10:44):
Absolutely? Yes, absolutely for me he does and I'm hovering
above this, Jack, I am, I'm looking. Look the numbers
alone would tell you TJ's played seven of the eight
Test matches this year. Noah Hotham had half an hour
off the bench. A promising player and part of the
future of the All Blacks. But I think we need
to balance looking to the future with trying to win

(11:05):
these Test matches up North, and if they decide not
to take TJ. Then your three half backs of cam
Roy Guard, Quartiers Latama and Noah Hotham, who between them
only really have a handful of tests. I mean, cam
Roy Guard is the future, but let's not forget he
hasn't played a heck of a lot of test rugby.
He didn't play the big games at the Rugby World
Cup last year. He had an amazing super rugby season
until he got injured, and everyone agrees he's the man

(11:26):
moving forward. But I'd be taking TJ every day of
the week, just just to help transition it across. Same
goes for Sam Kain. I think, no, we know both
of them are going at the end of this year.
But like I say, get the balance between looking to
the future, which you've got a lot of time for. Really,
it's only twenty twenty four, after all, the next Rugby
World Cup is still three years away, and trying to

(11:47):
win these test matches. Sam Kaine started the last four
games in the number seven jersey. So what are you
going to do? You say, thanks very much for your time, guys,
We're going to move on. I think you take them both.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
Yeah, yeah, I tend to agree. You know, they might
be getting a little long in the tooth. At least
at least they all back extented. That's not necessarily a
bad thing. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, I'm with you on
both of those cours. So the black Caps look put
up a much better fight in that second innings against
Ralanka and Gaul still wasn't to be a couple of
hundred runs behind at the end of the day. How

(12:17):
concerns should we be about their prospects for a tour
in India.

Speaker 8 (12:22):
Very concerned, very concerned. Indeed, I feel like our red
ball reputation is really on the line here. You know,
it was only three years ago we won the World
Test Championship and now against Sri Lanka the other day, Jack,
they got their highest of a score against us by
over one hundred, and they were only five down and
then we were there six o two for five declared.
Then we were bowled out for our lowest ever total

(12:43):
against them. Yeah, it really was. It was an abomination
of a first couple of days. And you know, regardless
of the extra grip they showed in the second inning.
So the sanctity of the white ball game is a
long way away. We've got three Test matches against India,
then three against England before they even see a white ball,
where we forget the result the day after they happened. Look,
I think they need to do something and probably a

(13:06):
few things before they get back to India, who you know,
are going to be a much more formidable force than
Sri Lanka in home conditions. Otherwise we're staring down the
barrel of five, you know, five defeats to go with
the two we had against Australia here in the summer,
that it'll be what ye seven, So we're talking about
seven straight Test defeats before England get here.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
That is not the kind of way you want to
approach your home series against They was advocate though, that
second innings batting in the subcontinent, where the ball is
moving like at ninety degree angles every time it hits
the dust, that second innings I thought might give them
a sliver of confidence heading into the Indian mainland. I
hope you're right. I hope you're right, Jack, I do

(13:47):
I look, and you're right.

Speaker 8 (13:49):
They at least had some time in the middle and guys,
you know, ground out some centuries. I was, I must say,
not particularly enamored with the way that Tim SOUDI got out.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
No, was just a classic to him out. But put
a pross on your the kiptain of the team.

Speaker 8 (14:04):
Put a price on your wicket, you know, don't just
swing wildly across the line. Do what Ahs Betel did
given behind the line of the ball and just try
and stay out there.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
I mean much as a lost cause it is. At
least put a pross on at least and irritate your
opponent as much. Yes possible. Yeah on that thanks money,
catch you say. Jason Pine with us for Sports Talk
this evening. He'll be behind the mic from seven to
eight taking your calls as well. Right now, it's twenty
three past four, the.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Day's news wakers.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Talk to Jack first, Jack Dame on Hither Due Sea
Allan drive with one New Zealand let's get connected us
talk as.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
It'd be so, you know how the government has made
a bit of a habit of releasing these action plans
every few months. Have just released their Q four one.
We're going to give you more details on that after
five o'clock this evening. But the Prime Minister has just
held a press conference in which he was asked not
just about his action plan but about Premiere House moving
in and whether or not he is selling it, plus
the cost of that refurbishment.

Speaker 9 (14:55):
There was an independent review done where I think there
was a budget of about thirty million dollars was what
was commended by the independent reviewer. That is not something
that we are up for or anywhere near supporting. What
we've had to do is actually just do some basic
elemental maintenance, which has happened through the course of the
first six months of this year. And that's what I've
been and that's as a result I've just moved on
just over on the.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
Weekend anyway, I got a little bit testy there, so
we will share a bit more of the Prime Minister's
comments with you very shortly then before five o'clock as well.
It has been a rough day for Australians trying to
make their way around the country. One thousand Quantus engineers
have been on strike. What do they want? We'll give
you the details on that very shortly. News is next.
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Speaker 1 (15:39):
The name you trust to get the answers you need.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Jack tam On, Heather Duplice, Alan Drive with one New
Zealand Let's get connected and news Talk zed.

Speaker 10 (15:48):
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Speaker 3 (15:52):
Fifteen minutes left as Ireland's and the Black Ferns face
off in Vancouver. Currently, the Black Fern's up twenty seventeen.
I'll make sure to keep the update with that score
after five o'clock this sevening, we're going to take a
close look at the future of Tartucky. Auckland Unlimited. That's right,
I think I think of the order right, it's not
Auckland Tartucky, it's Tartucky Auckland Unlimited. So this is the
crassle controlled organization that is charged with investing in events

(16:18):
culture in the city, and it has earned the hore
of Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown for some time now, but
league papers suggest he might be a little bit closer
to be able to disestablish that organization. So we'll tell
you a bit more about that after five o'clock. Right now,
it is twenty four minutes to five.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
It's the world wires on Newstalk Sedby Drive.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
And Hurricane Helene's death toll has risen now to ninety
one people after causing massive amounts of damage throughout the
southeast US. North Carolina has been badly hit, with thirty
deaths being reported from one county alone. He is North
Carolina Governor Roy Cooper.

Speaker 10 (16:56):
Depending on where you are, this unprecedented storm dropped from
ten to twenty nine inches of rain across the mountains.
Even as the rain and the winds have socided, the
challenge from people there increases.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
Almost a million Lebanese people have been displaced by Israeli
air strikes, according to officials, which have put the country
on the verge of quote a humanitarian catastrophe. This follows
on from the news of the death of his Bola
leader Hassan Maasrala and air strikes from Israel into UTI
controlled Yemen. The US President Joe Biden is desperate to
avoid all out war in the region.

Speaker 6 (17:35):
It has to do. We really have to be avoided.
We're not there yet, but we're working like hell with
the French and many others.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
And for some more sad news, sailors, I was born
upon them terms. The country music star Hollywood icon Christofferson
has died aged eighty eight. No cause of death has
given that his family said he passed away peacefully at

(18:03):
his home in Hawaii.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
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Speaker 3 (18:14):
Six pr Perth Life presenter Oliver Peterson is with us
this afternoon, kild Oliver get a jack Let's pick up
on the situation in the Middle East. And a senator
in Australia has called for his Boler supporters to be
criminally charged.

Speaker 11 (18:28):
Yeah, he has, and in fact now a Liberal leader,
Peter Dutton, says that protesters who supported hezbillar at rallies
over the weekend here in Australia should be facing criminal
charges or deportation. And he's comparing the move to supporting
the likes of Adolf Hitler or Osama bin Laden. So
he's backing up the comments made by the Shadow Home

(18:48):
Affairs Minister James Patterson, who, as you said, they're indicated
that we should be criminally charging these people who were
protesting on the weekend, a lot of them in Sydney
and Melbourne covering their faces, some of them even holding
the pictures of a Hezbala leader. So it is something
that Peter Dutton says is we're moving to a very
precarious period now there's outrage in relation to the glorification

(19:11):
of a terrorist leader, which surely must be against the
Australian law. And if it's not the Parliament should be
recalled to pass the law that prohibits that from happening.
The Foreign Affairs Minister Penny Wong has spoken in the
last half hour or so and she's condemned those displays
for fueling fear and division, but she hasn't gone a
lot further than that.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
At this stage.

Speaker 11 (19:32):
It only threatens national security and the Criminal Code sets
out specific elements that must be meant in order to
charge an individual with a terrorism offense. So this is
a sore point at the moment between relations between the
opposition and the federal government in Australia.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
Yeah, I mean it's pretty amazing to look at a
couple of those images from the rallies that we can
because you know, obviously we have seen global protests regarding
the place of Palestinian people over the last twelve months.
But actually seeing has BOLLA flags in Melbourne as well
as you know, signs with Hassan Asrala's face on them,

(20:09):
I mean that sort of took things to another level
in the eyes of some. Absolutely, it's confronting.

Speaker 11 (20:14):
It's you know, imagery that I think you probably don't
think is going to be in our backyard in Australia.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
So I think that the you know, the.

Speaker 11 (20:21):
Glorification as they say, a terrorist leader is something that
you want to stamp out as quickly as possible in
a wonderful democracy like Australia. So it is certainly dividing
opinion to the moment wishing to hear the government's response
ultimately here because they are certainly treading a fine line
of trying not to offend anyone.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
Well, well, this is the thing, especially in Australia, because
there was a massive Lebanese community right absolutely, it's huge
and he's right around Australia. But I think you know,
even in times of crises, you look for leadership, whether
you have to make a difficult decision that is going
to obviously upset some What we have with this federal
government in Australia at the moment is just the lack
of ability to make a qualified decision again over that

(21:02):
fear of upsetting somebody, because they're in such a precarious
position when we headed the polls in the next few months.
They don't know if they're going to get a second
term in office, so they don't really want to do
anything at the moment. They don't want to upset anybody. Yeah, yeah, Now,
thousands of Quantus engineers are on strike. Yeah, it's happened
today in Perth and Brisbane and in Sydney. They went
off the job for about two hours this morning. They're planning,

(21:24):
in fact, stoppages right around the country over the next
two weeks. The first was last Thursday, just forty eight
hours before the AFL Grand Final. At this stage, though
the airline sees it has not affected any body's plans
to fly to any capital cities around Australia.

Speaker 11 (21:39):
We're talking here about engineers who have down tools. They're
looking for better paying conditions. They're calling for a five
percent pay rise, but a fifteen percent first year payment
trap to three and a half years of wage freezers.
A couple of unions have come together to demand this.
Quantas is currently saying they are prepared to wait it
out and they don't think that any customers are going
to be impacted by any of these work stoppages.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
Does that work? How do customers not not get impacted
by thousands of engineers going on strike? Does that mean
that no one's like checking the engines to make sure
that all the bolts are there?

Speaker 7 (22:09):
Well?

Speaker 11 (22:09):
I know, it does make you wonder, doesn't it. Or
perhaps they're just leaving a little bit more time between
flights so when they know that they're look at the moment,
it probably is manageable because they're two hour stop work meeting,
so they're probably you know, changing the schedule ever so
slightly to try and get people away a bit earlier,
a little bit after.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
To try and lessen that impact.

Speaker 11 (22:27):
But I agree with you, it makes you think, Hold
on a minute, it was that plane in the sky
and no one gave it the once over.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
Yeah, golp, Yeah, it might just be slightly more nervous
than usual boarding a plan for that.

Speaker 6 (22:36):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
Police are being banned from all messaging apps on their
work phones.

Speaker 11 (22:41):
This is in New South Wales. Interesting decision being made
by the New South Wales Police Force. The only way
you can communicate with each other on a work issued
phone is through Messenger, which is obviously they've all got iPhones.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
So through the Apple Eye message.

Speaker 11 (22:55):
You can't send WhatsApp messages, you can't now download Telegram
And basically they're saying this is because there was an
issue last year where some police had tried to cover
up a particular incident allegedly a drunk cop crashed in
a tunnel in Sydney last year and it was all
covered up and has now been before the Corruption and
Crime Commission in New South Wales. But some cynics are saying,

(23:17):
hold on a minute. There have been some very very
damaging leaks, particularly against the Police Commissioner of New South Wales,
that this is perhaps her way, Karen Webb, of trying
to shut that down so that they can trace every
message and every phone call that's been made from a
police office issued phone to the opposition or or a
journalist or whatever it might be. Cops are saying, simple, thy,
just get burner phones because they'll continue to do what

(23:38):
they need to do. But it's an interesting move and
I want for a lot of other workplaces, even around
Australia or New Zealand, might think of doing something similar.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
Just I feel like, if you've got a work phone,
don't do anything on that phone that you wouldn't be
happy with your boss knowing about.

Speaker 6 (23:53):
I reckon.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
Those are words to live by, are they not? Whether
you're a police officer, whether you're a public for or
it doesn't matter. Just don't search anything, don't text anything.
Don't photograph anything you shouldn't.

Speaker 11 (24:03):
Yeah, exactly exactly because you trying to use that work
email address to maybe get something that you thought if
I have my signature there it might help me out.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
We'll be prepared that it could come back on the
back side. The truth comes out, Oliver, the truth comes out.
I thought it was an impressive looking emailsim it. So
thank you very much for your time. I appreciate it
as always, Oliver Peterson there from six PR Perth Live.
So yeah, the government has released its action plan forty
three different items that it wants to tick off the

(24:33):
list before Christmas, before the end of the year. I've
got to say this whole action plan thing is a
very effective way of keeping up with their work process
and progress. Right Like from a PR perspective, it's very simple,
but honestly it's actually very useful. So there are a
couple of things as well as the big infrastructure infrastructure
stuff and the law and order stuff, a couple of

(24:53):
little things that have peaked my interest. So for example,
Cabinet's going to make decisions on the future of Greyhound
that'll be before Christmas, and there are a couple of
things relating to racing lotteries and gambling gaming as a whole.
I suppose that clearly they're looking to prioritize. So they're
going to introduce legislation to ensure the financial sustainability of

(25:13):
the racing industry before christs don't know what that means. Necessarily,
they're also going to pass legislation that will allow lotteries
for non commercial purposes to operate online. So if you
were looking to do a bit of a fundraiser and
it wasn't you weren't making money out of this lottery,
you were just fundraising, you could do that online, which

(25:35):
you can imagine might be a really effective measure of fundraising.

Speaker 7 (25:39):
Right.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
I suppose a few pitfalls to avoid as well. Anyway,
we'll tell you more about the action plan after five o'clock.
Right now, it's called five.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
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Speaker 3 (25:50):
The man, the myth, the legend, Barry Soaper is here
in studio our senior political correspondent, Kyoder. Ser again, Jack,
how are you doing that? I'm very well, thank you.
Just before we rip into things, I just have to
very quickly given up that on the rugby because the
Blackfomends are taking on Ireland at the moment. Ireland got
ahead a couple of minutes ago, but now the Black
Fomens have worked things back. So where a head twenty five,
twenty two, seven minutes to go. Let you know how

(26:12):
that go win? Anyway they should do, they should do.
The action plan is out forty three items. I think
most of these we knew about. But I'm finding this
to be a very honestly a useful exercise and keeping
up with the Yeah, it was for the good of
than the.

Speaker 12 (26:26):
Old nebulas used to get justin done saying a year
of delivery but without spelling out what was going to
be delivered. Yeah, by the end of the year it
was an absolute disaster, so nothing was delivered. But this
specifically spells out exactly where I want to go. And
this one is essentially about infrastructure, so there's no surprises there.
We all knew what they're going to do, but they

(26:48):
can be held accountable. And the point that Chris Luxon
made today was that they've delivered thirty nine of the
forty actions they announced and that third action plan and
that was an easy while an easy one that took
a lot of legislation, a law and order. But he
was in Auckland today and he was doing a stand

(27:11):
up with some journalists. They went that interest in the
action plan, but they were interested in the Dunedin hospital, which,
of course, as we know, drew a protest in that
city of thirty five thousand over the weekend.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
He said he wants to build it.

Speaker 12 (27:29):
But it has to be contained in the one point
nine billion dollar envelope, which he says, we'll still make
it one of the most expensive hospitals in the Southern hemisphere.
Here he was a short time ago.

Speaker 9 (27:41):
We've got a review underway looking at two options, whether
on the new side or the old site. Will take
advice on that and move through very quickly. We are
committed to building a new hospital there, but you cannot
have a situation as we've inherited around the ferries, as
we've inherited around school buildings, where we have cost blowouts,
and we have to make sure that we can get
a good hospital in place for people I don't needed
in the South, but within budget because the choices we

(28:03):
have limited amounts of money and the reality is that
those are the moneys we cannot invest in other regional
hospitals which we also have in commitments and investments around
as well.

Speaker 12 (28:11):
So I hope that gives some hope to the people
of Dunedin because they certainly do need an upgrade a
hospital in that city.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Shane Jones has with them.

Speaker 12 (28:22):
I know you're going to be interviewing them.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
I think after part oh, we just had him. Well,
Shane Jones.

Speaker 12 (28:28):
What I really love about Shane Jones, he likes to
mix it and you'll get out there and standing on
a street he was in Wellington and was not not
far from Parliament. He was standing there giving the protesters
jupo and they were climate change protesters and a woman
was standing essentially with a megaphone right up to his face.

(28:48):
But that didn't put him off his pace.

Speaker 13 (28:50):
Your climate terrif your viewing.

Speaker 12 (28:55):
The destroy this country, you are going to rip this
country is hard up your practic.

Speaker 14 (29:01):
You're being a hyperpolelect like your own title two.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
Palsied when we're not destroying the planet. The planet is
not the key to these different evid cause we.

Speaker 4 (29:13):
Want to keep the lights on and pound and destroyed,
carry on and see.

Speaker 12 (29:18):
What they were really hosed off about was that the
legislation only gives four days on the Oil and Gas
staff of submissions. What the point he made, and it's
absolutely right when it was canned, well, no notice was given.
The exploration was canned overnight. Essentially.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
I don't think even New Zealand first even got a
heads up as a coalition partner. Then did I know?

Speaker 12 (29:40):
Yeah, well you know, and what he said was our
mandate was at the last election. They went out, they
they are not protested. They told the electric what was
going to happen, and they're doing it.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
Yeah, Christopher Luxen has sold his apartment and moved into
Premier House.

Speaker 12 (29:55):
Well, the poor prime minister, he turned out hopefully he
would think, I would imagine at the Long Bay housing development.
He was hoping to get some questions on that, but
he got more about Premiere House. And that used to
be known as the Murder House because it was a
dentist and the thing is that anyone gets murdered if
they don't live there.

Speaker 5 (30:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
Problem.

Speaker 12 (30:15):
So he sold his apartment around the corner, and so
he said was rather pathetic.

Speaker 6 (30:22):
Really, I thought.

Speaker 12 (30:23):
He said, Look, they replaced some carpet thirty four years old.
They gave it a lique of paint inside and some
new curtains and look, I can testify I've been there
on many occasions. Yeah, I did need something of an upgrade,
I can tell you.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Yeah, very good. Hey, thank you so much. Great to
see you. Barry, Senior Political correspondent, Barry Soper. Their quick
update in the rugby three minutes to go. Currently the
Black Fans are up by five, although the Irish have
the ball inside our twenty two, so a pretty close
contest being played out at the moment. I will make
sure to let you know. Oh, and it is set
for the Black Funds, so we've got possessed at the

(30:59):
very least. I'll make sure to let you know how
that game wraps up in a couple of minutes. Right
now it is seven to five.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers. The mic Hosking
breakfast from the Dunedin Hospital thing.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
The government's got a fight on its hands at the
plans to downscale the hospital, which has blown its budget.
Infrastructure Minister Chris Bishop is with me.

Speaker 10 (31:16):
Now.

Speaker 5 (31:16):
Surely you guys have just had a bit of a
chat to the industry and seen if this is completely
out of whack or if actually this is what everybody
would charge it.

Speaker 15 (31:22):
Well, I would say to that is you can be
assured that we are being as diligent and as rigorous
as you would expect the government to be with spending
two billion dollars. But there are no easy options here.
We've got a way out the trade offs between going
out to market and potentially delaying the actual part of
construction on the impatient for another long period of time.
And I think the people to need and it say
to make that the pairrible idea. Just get on with

(31:43):
hope together.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Duplessy Ellen on the Mic Hosking Breakfast in fact tomorrow
at six am with the Jaguar f base.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
On news talks, he'd be thank.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
You for your feedback. On news talks, he'd be gazillions
of texts have come through. I've done a wafflel job
of getting to them, but I'll do my best now, Jack. Honestly,
do these blasted rental crowd protests think there's a bloody
money tree out there? Big deal that Christopher Luxon's moved
into Premier House, So what he's the Prime minister. Here's
Pauline No. I think he was getting stick for not
being in Premier House Pauline, but it was very tired.

(32:14):
I mean, I think it meant the rental standards, but
only just you know, it wouldn't surprise me. Put it
this way, wouldn't surprise me if the Prime Minister has
a couple of fan heaters going in there come next winter.
Jack disingenuous of the Prime Minister to say that if
Dunedin Hospital is fully funded that other hospitals will miss out,
when Dunedin has missed out on funding four decades at

(32:36):
the expense of others. I mean, this does seem to
be a phenomenon that particularly afflicts New Zealand infrastructure projects,
does it not. When was the last time a really
big project came in on time and on budget. Honestly,
Wayne Brown would be in here right now saying I
did it twenty five years ago. But I mean, this

(32:58):
is clearly a massive problem. The thing with the needon
hospital though, is it isn't just Dunedin, It's that whole
lower third of the South Island. So yeah, I don't
think this is a problem that's going to be going
away anytime soon for the government. We'll be speaking with
Infrastructure Minister Chris Bishop after five.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
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Speaker 3 (33:31):
Infrastructure is that the hearts of the government's latest quarterly
action plan across the forty three actions they want to
take in the fourth quarter. It wants to pass the
Fast Track Approvals Bill, the first of its RMA reforms,
and establish the National Infrastructure Agency. But the government is
also promising to quote take Cabinet decisions on allowing greater

(33:52):
use of road tolling. So I think it's safe to
say we can all expect a few more toll roads
around the country. Infrastructure Minister Chris Bishop is all weathers.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
This evening, Kilder, good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
Let's start with number one on the list. The Fast
Track Approvals Bill is set to be passed, So when
will we see project actually getting underway?

Speaker 16 (34:12):
Hopefully next year. We've got to get the bill into
law by the end of the year. It gets reported
back from the Select Committee in a few weeks time,
and we'll get into law by the end of the year.
And obviously we're going to select a range of projects
as part of that to be the first in the
queue that will be in the legislation to go off
and go to the expert panels for consenting, so they
will that will take place, you know, in the first

(34:33):
few months of next year, and depending on the project,
hopefully we'll see some spades in the ground next year.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
Why does New Zealand need to toll roads?

Speaker 16 (34:42):
Well, tolling is about new ways of financing roads to
make sure we can bring forward projects that you might
otherwise wait a large number of years to actually fund.
You know, think that people think about tot wronga They've
had toll roads there for many years now, and you know,
so that's a tried and true part of the transport

(35:02):
landscape in Torono. And we've made a commitment to explore
the use of tolling and other roads around the country
because it provides a revenue stream that you can then
use to help fund the road. And you know, people
think about other countries, you know, toll roads are very
common and you know, say Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne, many parts
of Europe, toll roads are standard practice and we don't

(35:23):
use them enough here.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Is our view.

Speaker 6 (35:25):
So we're going to use them.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
Massive pushback though in parts of regional New Zealand. Is
that going to be a problem for you?

Speaker 16 (35:31):
Well, look, I think I've said publicly before that it
won't necessarily be popular with everybody. But the simple reality
is that we need to use different tools like tolls
and other mechanisms in order to get the infrastructure that
we need built. And I think as long as there's
an alternative that people can use, you know, people are
prepared to do that. And if you say to people, look,

(35:54):
you're going to pay a certain amount of money and
it's going to speed up your journey time, I think
most reasonable people go, yeah, you know what, Actually, just
get on with it.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Get the road built, you know, and it's.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
A critical part of it, right. There has to be
an alternative. There has to be a free alternative for
one of these toll roads to be to be put
in place. How much of the actual capital outlay though,
does a toll road cover like does tolling cover the
initial construction costs or is it just the ongoing maintenance?

Speaker 1 (36:21):
Well, it depends on the on the road.

Speaker 16 (36:23):
So there will be horses for courses and it will
vary and it will obviously depend on trific flows and
things like that, and so I couldn't give you a
generic answer because it really depends on the road. But
that's why we've you know, we're going to pass legislation
to to do that, to take cabinet decisions to support
the greater use of toll roads, and it will just

(36:45):
depend on this particular project, but you know we've made
a commitment to do that and you know you'll see
that over the course of the next few months.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
One of the other things in the action plan is
a call on the future of the greyhound sector. Is
there any possibility the government will continue to allow greyhound
racing into the future.

Speaker 16 (37:03):
I don't want to get ahead of cabinet on that one.
That's an issue for Winston Peterson is Minister of Racing role.
He's doing a bit of work on that, I know,
and so it's part of the Action Plan and so
once we've got a cabinet decision on that, you know
there'll be an announcement around that.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
And another one cabinet decisions on getting councils back to basics,
is that just getting them to focus on the rubbish,
the pipes the roads.

Speaker 16 (37:26):
Yeah, that flows from the speech the Prime Minister gave
it to Keena down and Wellington, you know a few
weeks ago saying look, you guys have got to cut
your cloth. We've gone through line by line and cut
our cloth and reduced our spending. You guys have got
to do the same and very widely received speech. Not
so much in local government land, but I think most
people around the country agreed with that. And so you know,
we signaled in that speech that there will be legislation

(37:47):
coming around that and so you'll see that over the
next quarter as well.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
Thanks for your time, We appreciate it. That is Infrastructure
Minister Chris Bishop Jack team eleven past five on news
talk z'd B speaking of getting back to basics that
government directive. Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown is pushing forward with
his quest to shut down Auckland's council controlled organization. So
according to leak papers, he's progressing plans to disestablish the

(38:12):
city's tourism and Economic Development Agency tartuky Unlimited. Wayne Brown says,
quote major events, destination marketing and visitor attractions are not
a required activity for the council, but what impact would
the closure have hospitality in Z's CEO, Steve Armitage is
with the suce Evening Calder Steve Golder Jack. So what

(38:33):
does Auckland Unlimited actually do well?

Speaker 4 (38:38):
In simple terms, an economic development agency promotes the region
as an attractive destination for businesses, investors and visitors. But
it also provides an important point for the people who
live there. You know, we all want to live in
vibrant places. We all want to ensure that there's our
high quality content that we can engage with on a
day to day basis. And as a result of that,

(38:58):
there are whole lot of ancillary benefits. There are jobs created,
particularly off the back of the strength of Auckland's visitor
economy in recent years, but also the work that they've
done around sectors like the screen sector for example, which
is you know, one of the key key strengths and
a sector of competitive advantage for the city.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
Is an organization like Tartaki Unlimited are nice to have.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
No, I'd consider it to being essential and I think
if you have to look across the ditch to see
that there are similar organizations that are playing a pivotal
role helping respective states in Australia get back on their feet. Yeah,
we routinely look at Melbourne and Sydney and talk about
how well they are performing. You know, that doesn't happen

(39:42):
by accident. They have similar agencies that are well funded
and well supported and ultimately end up ensuring that they're
generating successful in generating and delivering successful events and driving
visitation which supports their local economies.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
Is this the council's responsibility though? Why can't the private
seek to pick us up?

Speaker 4 (40:02):
I think for a long period of time there has
been a desire and a willingness, even from within Tataki
Unlimited to look at alternative funding models. And to be
fair to them, they've done an incredible job. In recent times.
Money has been hard to come by, but they've established
a fund with the private sector and they've been able
to generate around two million dollars of support to help

(40:23):
promote Auckland as a destination into Australia in particular. Now,
I think seems a pretty clear signal that they're already
thinking about how they reduce the dependency on the rate payer.
But I think central government also has a key role
to play. A lot of this results and increased GST take,
but at the moment, central government's not playing a pivotal
role in supporting how Auckland is performing as a sector.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Right, how could that change? What would you like to see?

Speaker 4 (40:50):
I think there's a conversation to be had around whether
there's alternative funding arrangements like an accommodation levy or a
bed tax if you like, which we've seen and play
in other redis and other cities around the world. Most
key wes are pretty familiar with that type of approach
to things, and a proportion of that funding can obviously
be held at a central level to potentially support development

(41:11):
of visitor infrastructure at a national level, but it'd be
great to see some of that funding being returned to
the region that it's generated in to help stimulate demand.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
Hey, thanks for your time, I appreciate it.

Speaker 7 (41:20):
Steve.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
That is Steve Armitage, the CEO of Hospitality in New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
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Oh, it was a heartbreaking end for the Black Ferns,
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Speaker 3 (43:13):
Said Bes coming up to twenty past five on news
Talk ZEDB. The government is partnering with New Zealand wine
growers to essentially redesign our vineyards. The goal is to
get more sunlight on the violence because more sunlight means
more grapes and that would mean higher yields and the
changes could boost vineyard productivity by twenty two thousand dollars.
A hec there, CEO of the Winegrowers Research Center, Doctor

(43:35):
Juliet Ansell, is with us this evening. Hi Juliet, how
is this going to work?

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (43:40):
Hi Jack?

Speaker 17 (43:41):
So yeah.

Speaker 14 (43:41):
Basically, the vineyard profitability has been in a bit of
a decline, and it's manly due to increasing costs of production.
And I think everything that can be done has been
done so far. It's been at let incremental changes. But
this new research program is really a step change in
productivity and it's potentially about doubling production but not compromising

(44:03):
on quality. And it's actually coming at a really good
time as well. We've got lots of replanting. About twenty
thousand hectares will be due to be replanted in the
next ten to twenty years. So yeah, it's really exciting.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
And so in practical terms, what kind of difference does
it mean on a vineyard? What changes?

Speaker 14 (44:22):
Yeah, no, good question. It's really a redesign of the
canopy management. So it's setting up the grape vine system,
the training system, and the plantings and really, as you
mentioned in the intro, enabling the vines to capture as
much sunlight as they can and encourage that sunlight to
be transformed into fruits rather than leaves or vegetative growth.

(44:43):
So it's a new training system. They'll be larger, they'll
be wider and higher, they'll carry more nodes, more shoots,
and you'll grow a much larger but less dense canopy.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
So getting light to the right place, what does it
do to the taste of the wine.

Speaker 14 (44:58):
So this is absolutely one of the criteria that it
must not compromise on taste or quality of the wine.
So it's very early early days. We're just about to
start this research in ernest but you know, we've done
a bit of pilot's work over the last year and
we're really confident that it's not going to compromise on quality.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
Fantastic. Oh, sound's really interesting. Thanks Juliet. That is doctor
Julian Ansel, who is the CEO of the Brigato Institute,
New Zealand Wine Growers Research Center, twenty one past five
on news doorg z'db. If there's one thing we've learned
from the previous government's time in office, it's that if
you want to get something done, you know, you want
to get a reform or a project embedded and past

(45:40):
the point of no return, you have to act fast.
So the government's released its Q four Action Plan, and look,
I get it. The whole action plan thing can seem
kind of gimmicky, and even though most of the stuff
we already knew was happening. It really underscores what I
think is one of the defining qualities of this coalition government.
This government is moving fast, like really really fast. No

(46:05):
one can look at the list of things to do
by Christmas and honestly suggest that they are sitting on
their hands or dithering. And the main focus this time
is infrastructure. RIMA reform, the fast track approvals, funding and
financing tools for housing, road tolling decisions, the new Infrastructure Agency.
Some of these are seriously big changes, with seriously big implications,

(46:28):
and of course with haste, there is risk, right there
is a danger that in its urgency to get runs
on the board and to get projects underway, that bad
laws or bad policies will ultimately lead to bad outcomes.
But clearly that is a risk that this government is
willing to take. And you would have to say, reflecting

(46:51):
on the last six or seven years. Are harbor crossing
plans that were introduced a month or two before the election,
away plans over the Harbor Bridge that went nowhere. Auckland
light rail that was supposed to have kill a meters
of track and doesn't even have a hole in the ground,
three waters. The list goes on when you reflect over
that period and you reflect on what this government is

(47:15):
trying to achieve, there is much more to show for
this government's time and office than there is today for
the one that preceded it. Jack Team two ninety two
is our text number, Jacknewstalks he b dot co dot NZ.
I'm regarding Auckland Tartaki Unlimited. I'm with Meya Wayne Brown

(47:37):
on this. I'm not convinced by the hospitality spokesman Jackwayne
Brown's white are right, those organizations are a waste of money.
The problem, I think is that it is very difficult
to assess the economic impact of these kind of events
and shows and you know cultural aspects that a lot
of these councils or council organizations fund. Right So, and

(47:57):
this is the same case with the Wellington Convention Center.
Right So the Convention Center itself might be running a
loss Wellington Council a narrow loss. But Wellington Council will say, okay, yes,
the building itself is running at a loss, but it's
still bringing in a million dollars an additional revenue to
the city and spending to the city. Surely that means
it's a net positive. So if these organizations or these

(48:18):
functions are to endure. Perhaps they need to get better
at selling that side of things. It's almost News times
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Dolet's see Allen bit of a staush in Hastings, bit
of a stoush. It's one of those amazing classic New
Zealand stories. You know, there's always a debate over what
a town's slogan should be. Rolliston town of the Future,
you know that still divides people and Hastings've got a
new sign welcoming everyone to Hastings, but some people don't

(49:18):
think it's a particularly welcoming sign. I'll tell you more
about the sign and we'll get the huddle thoughts on
that very shortly, and then don't forget. After six o'clock
Finance Minister Nichola Willis will be with us right now.
It is twenty five minutes to six team and so far,
at least, the government appears unmoved by the mass outrage
against the cutbacks to Dunedin's plans for its new hospital.
About thirty five thousand people march over the weekend to

(49:41):
protest the plans to scale back the redevelopment. But Infrastructure
Minister Chris Bishops is the project's extremely complex and it
is not as easy as just simply finding a new contractor.

Speaker 15 (49:52):
We've got a way up the trade offs between going
out to market and potentially delaying there the actual start
of construction on the impatient for another long period of time.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
Duaned and Mayor Jueles Raddich is with us on this.
This evening killed her. So what do you make of
the government's response.

Speaker 7 (50:10):
Well, I mean the whole project's been not as easy
as anything because it's dragged on and dragged on and
it's a big part of the escalation and cost. The
name of the game is really did to get on
with it now? I mean they, you know, good contract
management with the existing contractor will be fine. We just
got to get them to build the job for the

(50:34):
money at hand.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
Do you accept the official line on the cost blowouts
no one.

Speaker 7 (50:40):
Because well they've said they've gone to three billion, but
they're including a whole lot of other things that weren't
in scope. So you know, decommissioning or refurbishing a building
for three hundred and fifty million, where did that come from?
You know, that's never been talked about until just now.
So and to put that into the cost, I mean,
the main the cost that needs to be funded right

(51:02):
now is the building is the construction of the in
patient's building. So it's here, ready to go. The piles
are done, the plans are made, the lands are all drawn.
It's just ready to go and they just need to get.

Speaker 6 (51:14):
It up into the sky.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
What will be the impact for Dunedin and the region
more broadly the wider region if this doesn't go ahead,
if you don't get the full project as originally planned,
well number one people will die.

Speaker 7 (51:29):
So you know, the government have blood on his hands
because you know, this hospital is needed for the level
of tertiary care that is required throughout the whole region.
This hospital will cater for the whole lower half of
the South Island and it provides the high level of
specialist care that's required in the tertiary hospital. So people
fly in on choppers from emergencies all around the region,

(51:54):
but also they come on ambulances and in cars to
see the specialists that we have here interned.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
We've had a lot of texts over the last couple
of hours people saying, oh the protest is on the weekend.
Were all just labor supporters. They just hate this new government.
That's what it's down to. It simple politics. What do
you say to that, Well, I think it's not too
late for them to keep the promise.

Speaker 7 (52:13):
I mean, this government made the promise to build the hospital,
and you know the hospital has been in the gestation
period now for fourteen years, and you know, detailed work
has been done. Five hundred clinicians collaborated and cooperated and
consulted to get it refined down to the minimum needed

(52:35):
for the city. And there's hardly any more beds in
this hospital than there isn't the current hospital. But it's
a lot more efficient, it's going to have a lot
better patient flow, and it's been designed for modern medicine,
so it'll be much better for people.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
So, Jules, finally, what is your plan from here? What
will more protests mean? What else are you going to
do well.

Speaker 7 (52:57):
First thing, we'll be sending some postcards to Minister Ready
So and the postcards will come from all around the
region because there were people from around the region that
came here to need, especially for the protest. People from
Queenstown came down especially for the day just to walk
in the march. And I don't know, I don't think
anyone was expecting the size of crowd we got.

Speaker 17 (53:18):
It was enormous.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
Yeah, hey, thanks for your time. I appreciate it. That's
the need and mere jewels readit right now. It's twenty
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Speaker 3 (53:30):
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government on hiding to nothing with the Dunedin hospital.

Speaker 18 (53:40):
Trish, There's two issues the government faces with this time
and trust. So what New Zealanders are really getting sick
of is that infrastructure just takes too long. And this
is another great example. We have to have several business
cases this but Duneedan Hospital has gone back and forward

(54:02):
in terms of business cases. Then we have worries about
spending a dollar fifty today not looking at what it's
going to cost tomorrow. Then we go back into a
redrawing of the plans. I think the people of Dunedin
felt that this was a done deal. So part of
it probably is it's come as a shock and it's
an expectation management thing. But so the time is an

(54:24):
issue overall though the government is right to be focusing
on the economy, which it's doing and we've seen in
the latest plan. But trust in the health system and
the impact on people of a health system that is crumbling.
For me, that is probably almost now the number one
political issue. I think it's bumped off law in order

(54:45):
and it impacts everybody and it's kind of one of
the most important social contracts that a government has, you
know with voters.

Speaker 7 (54:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
I think it was remarkable to see how many people
turned out of the weekend, given there was only a
couple of days notice. And the key thing here is
it isn't just a need, it's that whole lower third
of the South Island, right, So there are a lot
of people who are really upset and these are people
who often feel as though they are forgotten by Wellington.

Speaker 19 (55:08):
Absolutely, Jack, I've just been looking at the Electric matt
for the last election and you talk about that lower third,
and that is a very blue electorate. I know dned
and of course is labor, labor through and through, but
everything else, but everything else around it is blue. I
mean White Tech is completely blue and Southland Kluther in Viicago.
Even the hospital will be drawing on those electorates. People

(55:29):
will be relying on that hospital for their healthcare. I
think what people tend to forget is National actually announced. Firstly,
this goes back to twenty seventeen. National were the ones
who actually announced the new hospital. And of course, as
the mayor has just pointed out, there's been a lot
of cost over run since then. It's gone from one
point two and now we're talking one point nine and
eventually this number which appears to have come out of

(55:51):
almost nowhere, the three billion number. And there's three reports
that haven't been released yet and which the media are
hunting down. And there's some weird things going on, like
car parks haven't been scoped in. I mean, well, I
was well, I was three hundred million dollars worth of
car parking not scoped into the original project. It's a
slightly strange cost that wasn't included.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
Yeah, do you think there's anywhere to square the circle?

Speaker 18 (56:12):
At the moment, Truch, we seem to be back in
the same kind of holding pattern in a way that
we are on the ferry issue now, where you get
to a certain point we think something's going to happen,
then there's a blowout or something's not wrong. So now
we're back in that. We're sort of back in the
circle of doom of going round and you know, recosting, rescoping.

(56:34):
I don't know what the solvers. It's difficult, but I
feel like when it comes down to a regional hospital,
as Shane has said, the pressure on those regional but
those regional hospitals right now is immense and the thought
that you're now waiting and it's come down to of course,
this has got to come down to dollars and cents,
But if I'm a voter, I also look at the

(56:57):
waste not under this government, but the money that's gone out.

Speaker 11 (57:00):
In the last six years.

Speaker 18 (57:02):
And then we're quibbling over I know it's a lot,
but three billion dollars these days for a major hospital.
I can completely feel with the people of Dunedin. And
it's also it's out in those regions. They are so
reliant on this hospital. If you get really sick, that's
the place you have to go.

Speaker 19 (57:22):
And I think the danger here is that the government's
losing the narrative around people. So Christopher Luxin is very
good at numbers. And are you announced today the Quarter
four Coalition plan and it's got all these bullet points.
It's very much a chief executive to kind of looking
a document compiled by a chief executive of a corporate
that you've got to remember the people. And I think
the amount of emotion that we saw on Saturday the

(57:43):
numbers of people hugely significant in a region that size.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
Yeah, all right, we'll be back with the huddle a
couple of minutes. I'll ask you about that Q four plan,
plus get your thoughts. I know you've both got strong
sort of aesthetic taste, so we'll get your thoughts on
Hastings New Side if we've got time as well. Right now,
it's sixteen to six.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
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Speaker 3 (58:04):
You're back with Thresherson and Shane Curry on the huddle
this evening. All right, the Q four Action Plan has
been released. It's just get your top line takes. It's
mainly infrastructure kind of stuff. There's some big changes coming
through here, shah.

Speaker 19 (58:16):
Yah, big changes. Estric some of them. I think, you know,
the road tolling has always been an issue and I
think it's a good move to consider more road tolling on. Yeah,
we're talking about the hospital. Why can't you really have
user pays for our health system, but certainly transport, I
think it's a no brainer.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
Yeah, top line take trick.

Speaker 18 (58:32):
Big theme I thought was building the foundations for growth
in the economy. The right thing to be doing.

Speaker 7 (58:40):
Uh.

Speaker 18 (58:41):
These action plans are part that you know, they're part substance.
They have to be substance, but they are also a
big part a differentiator from the previous government. It's going
we're clear on what we're doing, we will report it
back to you, and we're all about deliverable.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
I'll tell you what. In terms of contrast, this is
just remarkable to me how quickly this government is moving
and there will be people who you know, take issue
at some of their policy priorities and all that kind
of thing. But if you look at something like this
and you consider the things that are being passed Fast
Track Approvals Bill, the RAMA reforms, these are really meaty
bits of legislation that are potentially incredibly consequential, and I

(59:19):
think it's really telling that they are getting this stuff
done in the first you know, fourteen months or so
of their term. I mean, just if you want to
make enduring change, this is the right way to go
about it.

Speaker 18 (59:30):
Yeah, and don't forget. So the difference here is not
what we saw often under Labor. It was a series
of press release headlines that didn't seem to be part
of a cohesive plan. This is wrapped up in a
cohesive plan. But things like these RIMA reforms focusing in
on making it easier to get stuff done in New Zealand.

(59:51):
That has been something people have talked about for years
and if you're really getting to the issues of driving
growth in New Zealand, it's fundamental. So it looks like
it's the right things to be focused on, But there
are still a lot of distractions out there that you know,
I think the government shouldn't be focused.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
On Shane the Hacker last night. We broke the world record.

Speaker 19 (01:00:11):
We broke the world record. I was privileged enough to be,
you know, a privilege to be there last night, and
we were just talking off here, but con and O'Brien,
the US talk show host, was front and center with
Tigaway tit at the front, and yeah, it was a
brilliant night. You know, it was very emotional actually, and
I was surprised that just how emotional I did get

(01:00:32):
about it, because yeah, you know, it was very powerful night.
There was some amazing performances on stage beforehand, and six
one hundred odd people and the Guinness Book a record guy.
He was taking it extremely seriously. I thought, up until
I actually arrived at the venue, I thought this was
a big pr move kind of yeah, but he was
laying out the rules.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
Really, he sent it very much. So okay, yeah, what
did you think of the trash?

Speaker 18 (01:00:55):
While I was in tears watching it at home? Mind you,
the Hacker always does that to me. But I also
thought it was a very powerful and useful symbol for
New Zealand at the moment, about our New Zealanders and
what we actually love about being New Zealanders and I
loved it when you panned through that crowd. There were

(01:01:16):
people there from all walks of life, kids, old people.
I thought it was really fantastic. Even talking about it,
I've got, you know, hairs on the back of my
next standing out Well.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
Speaking of powerful an emotive symbols, Hastings has a new
sign entering welcoming everyone on the expressway just south of Taradale. Now,
if you haven't seen it, it's it's gray, which I
think is an interesting choice of color. But it's gray
and it's a big h basically, and it just says no,

(01:01:47):
my welcome headed tongue, Hastings. It does have a sort
of a vibe of like an art class in fifth
form and you might get it achieved. You're not going
to fail that, you're not going to excel, Shane, what
are you?

Speaker 19 (01:01:59):
It's pretty well it's not going to be up there
in the echelons of the kind of alum pea bottle
or the Harkney carrot. But look, it's it's a point
that's I love that citizen journalism now is so powerful
that one person can complain and it's made headlines across
the country.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
I think something about like the signs or slogans for
towns and cities in regional New Zealand that I think
really gets people going. You one's always got an opinion.
Remember like Hamilton, remember the debate over Hamilton.

Speaker 18 (01:02:31):
Hamiltron city of the Future. I thought that I in
my mind, I.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
Was Roles in the future, the town of the future.

Speaker 18 (01:02:39):
Town signage is maybe because I've driven around regional New
Zealand a lot. Is one of my weird fascinations and
one that always sticks out to me is to talking
as you go in there there's a lot of wood
and you know, took to talking.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
Okay, you know what, It'd be a great coffee table book,
wouldn't it idea for us?

Speaker 19 (01:02:58):
You know, just for there is one I won't recall
the name of it, but it does take an It
punches down on some of the listener in towns of
New Zealand which you might know about that there have
been some good ones and absolutely positively willing to when
Mark Plumpski's true and Frank Wilder, you know and charged
down in Wellington that actually did unify the city and

(01:03:20):
I think Auckland's probably missing something like that and.

Speaker 18 (01:03:23):
Somehow comforting on those signs. You know, you get the
badges like the Lions Club. I feel comforted when I see, oh,
there's a Lions Club in town. Will be okay, there'll
be a Christmas raffle.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
Hey, thanks you TI guys. I appreciate it. Trecious and
Shane Curry on the huddle this evening. It's eight to
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Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
He'd be five to six. Thank you for your feedback.
We have had so many messages regarding toll roads, Jack,
we don't need to bankrupt commercial drivers and denialdinary keywis
from avoiding these roads, which is also detrimental to the
regions as they are potential consumers when it comes to
promoting revenue through small businesses. Done right, tolls could be

(01:04:12):
okay at the moment, though I'm not convinced. Yeah, I
think it's I was surprised personally by the level of
pushback to suggestions that some parts of regional New Zealand
might be told. I mean the pushback around the hot
of Fena one or two region is really extraordinary. People
are really really concerned and upset about the prospect of

(01:04:33):
facing new toll roads there. Jack Dunedin Hospital. The real
issue is not projects coming in over budget. It's that
the companies underpriced the job in the first place in
order to get the government's approval to start. Then they
escalate it using tricky contracts. I'm a quantity surveyor. I've
seen this game playing out for thirty years plus. As
far as I'm concerned, as lez, it is time for

(01:04:56):
the government to stamp this out. Yeah, that is interesting.
I mean it is certainly not the first time we
have experienced a phenomenon like this when it comes to
a major infrastructure project blowing out. Interesting though that those
three reports that suggest the overall cost for Dunedin Hospital
could be above three billion dollars have not yet been released.

(01:05:17):
So maybe once those reports are released, and might have
to be done through the Official Information Act, I think
the government says they're going to look at proactively releasing
some of those reports as well. Once those reports are released,
we might have a bit of a better grip on
the scale of the problem. Tell you what, though, if
the weekend's protest has anything to go by, I think

(01:05:38):
anything short of the original plan is going to be
met with massive resistance in the lower part of the
South Island. After six o'clock on news Stork ZB, we
will ask the Finance Minister about that. Nikola Willis is
going to be with us for her weekly catch up
as well as that we will catch up with the
CEO of Sinley. So Sinley keeping a brave face for
the time being despite reporting a massive loss for the

(01:06:00):
year to July. So the four four year results show
a one hundred and eighty two million dollar loss. Debt
is up to thirty three percent to a tick over
half a billion dollars. So we'll catch up with Sinley's
CEO as well. If you want to get in, touched
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(01:06:21):
in for Heather. This is Newstalk's EDB.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
If we have Business means Insight the Business Hour with
Jack tame and my Hr on news DOORGSB.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
You're with Jack tam In for Heather to p clen
this week. It's kind of musical chairs on Newstalk's EDB
She's in for Hosking. In the mornings, I'm on drive
and before seven o'clock this evening, we're going to catch
up with the CEO of Sinley that have just reported
their four year results to the end of July showing
one hundred and eighty two million dollar loss. What is
it down to? What's plan from here? CEO Grant Watson

(01:07:02):
is going to be with us shortly tell you what though.
It was a pretty remarkable speech from Treasury's Chief Economic
Advisor Dominic Stevens last week in which he said that quote,
the speed and size of the cuts to the per
person level of government spending over the next few years
in order to return the government to surplus in twenty
seven twenty eight will be generally unprecedented in modern times.

(01:07:26):
It's time for our weekly catch up with Finance Minister
Nichola Willis, who's with us ace evening.

Speaker 20 (01:07:30):
Killed her Cura Jack.

Speaker 10 (01:07:32):
Is he right?

Speaker 20 (01:07:34):
Well? What the context here is is an extraordinary, unprecedented
increase in spending in recent times. And that's very important
to remember because if you look at the long run
graph where we are looking to get spending back to
is actually a little bit above the long run average.
But what's happened in recent times is an extraordinary increase

(01:07:54):
in government spending, up seventy six percent in just six years.
And now what we're doing is trying to bring it
back to a normal rate of around thirty percent of
our overall economic size. So yeah, we went through some
crazy times after COVID. Then the government pumped up spending
and didn't take the e if it needed to get
it back into normal levels. We're doing that work now,

(01:08:15):
So is he right? Well, I think the point that
I'm making is that when you have an extraordinary amount
of increase in spending, yes, you then need to bring
it back down. And yes, we're having to do that
in a way that you haven't seen on the grassy presenter.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
So just I totally understand your point here. You're saying,
because of the increase in spending over time, you're going
to have to go through make some tough decisions that
are unprecedented. But the words he used, well, no, I
don't think.

Speaker 20 (01:08:43):
I don't think the tough decisions are unprecedented. The point is,
when you have such extraordinary increase in spending to such
a high level of our economy now bringing it back
to more of a normal level is a big change,
but only because there's been a big spike in the
first place.

Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
Yes, nin I understand that. I mean it was pretty
bleak to see it going from the Treasury Gief Economic Advisor.
I suppose that's the difference here. How you talk to
us about Dunedin?

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
What was it like?

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
I mean, did you expect a response like we saw
at the weekend thirty five thousand people taking to the streets.

Speaker 20 (01:09:17):
Oh, look, I get it. The people of Dunedin want
the a new hospital and they are going to get
the new hospital. But look, the context here is that
any government that was elected this time would have been
having to make these difficult decisions because the project we
inherited was in a complete mess. We've already agreed to

(01:09:39):
contribute three hundred million dollars more in funding on top
of what already had been put to one side by
the last government. So we're committed to this project. We're
going to fund this project, but we have to keep
it within a budget, and its history over the past
several years is that it has never been kept to
a budget. There's been massive blowouts and we can't let
that keep going because we also have a responsibility to

(01:10:02):
the people of Fungada, of Nelson, of Torona, of all
the other centers around the country who also need an
upgrade to their hospital. So we have to get better
at delivering these projects with good value for money and
on budget.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
Why does pairing back the plans in Dunedin in order
to meet the budget trey constraints? Why does that mean
that you'll be able to continue with plans and funged a.
You know, why couldn't you.

Speaker 6 (01:10:28):
Do an and and well?

Speaker 20 (01:10:30):
Simply because every dollar that we spend extra on dned
and above its budget is a dollar that's not available
for those other hospital projects around the country. And money
is finance. Jack, I've been looking for that tree down
the end of the garden with the money growing on it.
It doesn't exist. We don't have the joy that the
Aussies do of digging it out of the ground on

(01:10:51):
the daily, and so we do need to be careful
about how we spend the money we do have. Hospitals
are a great thing to spend money on. We're going
to be spending a huge amount on hospitals. We agree
with that, but we also have to get good at
delivering them with value for funey.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
Do you think that if you hadn't made those tax
changes to landlords and interest deductibility, that three billion dollars
over four years, that that could have gone to pay
for the full the needing project plus all of those
other regional hospitals.

Speaker 20 (01:11:18):
No, because those changes were made in the context of
a tax package that also took spending away from other areas.
It was also a tax package that delivered significant tax
relief to working people. And we did a campaign.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
Yeah, I know you in campaign.

Speaker 6 (01:11:38):
I look at it.

Speaker 20 (01:11:39):
Yeah, the way I look at it is this, we
made a commitment that we would be restoring interest deductibility,
treating rental properties as we treat other assets, and we've
kept that commitment. It was also a commitment that was
pretty upfront in our coalition agreements, and we kept that commitment.
And look, I'm pleased to see that went's our stable

(01:12:00):
across the country. That's one of the things we set
out to have happened.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
Do you think, in the eyes of the people protesting
at the weekend, you also made a commitment to make
the Denedan Hospital as planned.

Speaker 20 (01:12:12):
Well, yes, we did, and as I say, not only
have we kept the funding for it, but when we
took the lid off the hood. When we took the
hood off, we found that it had completely blown out
in price, something we didn't know in opposition. In opposition
we said, look, we're prepared to spend up to thirty
million more on top of what Labor is. Turns out
we're spending ten times more than that, three hundred million

(01:12:33):
more than Labor had been planning. So this is really
a case of you're in opposition, you think everything's going
along smoothly. We get into government, we open this project
up and we see problem after problem. And as I
said at the beginning, sincerely believe that if a Labor
government had been elected, they would have been faced with
the same choice we face, which is either front up
to the people of DNED and be honest, or continue

(01:12:56):
to let the budget blow out again and again and
again such that it eats the entire health infrastructure budget
and robs from other regions.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
The working from home slash working from the office instruction.
I mean, my read of it wasn't actually that every
single person in the public service has to be in
the office from nine to five, every single day that
you just have to come to an agreement with your
employer and that productivity shouldn't be affected. But it's interesting
looking at some of the response to that. Can you
just be clear with us, is your directive there one

(01:13:26):
that's driven through productivity or one that's driven through simply
trying to prop up some of those CBD.

Speaker 20 (01:13:31):
Businesses all about productivity and performance. And as you say,
this isn't an absolute position, it's just about a pendulum
that's swung a long way one way and bringing a
bit back into the middle. By law, every employee you
will continue to have the right to ask for a
flexible working arrangement, and government sector employers will be required

(01:13:52):
to consider that arrangement. The point we're simply making is
let's be a bit more purposeful about these arrangements, ensuring
that we've we weighed up the impact they can have
on the team and making sure that we're getting the
balance right. And that's actually what employers across the private
sector and non government sector have been doing, and we
just think the public sector should take the same approach.

Speaker 3 (01:14:14):
And finally, what do you think Antonia Watson doesn't understand
about a CGT.

Speaker 20 (01:14:19):
Well, look, I haven't talked to her about a CGT
so she could, but Footbot she could have a very
good understanding of it. For all I know, New Zealand
has choices about how it proceeds economically and the view
our government has taken as our focus needs to be
on encouraging investment and productivity, enhancing assets, encouraging firms and
small businesses to innovate, to employ people to grow. And

(01:14:43):
we don't think the way to get out of a
recession is to threaten people with a new tax.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
Hey, thanks for your tome. We appreciate it. It's fun.
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Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's heather due
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Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
EDB eighteen five sixty with Jack Daimen on News Talks EDB.
And there may be some hope coming from the Chinese economy.
Last week, authorities there announced a range of monetary and
fiscal stimulus policies to try and get the massive economy
moving again. So what do we see and what might
it mean for New Zealand harbor asset management. Shane Solly
has been looking into this for us this evening Keilder

(01:15:32):
Shane Jack So just do you good things.

Speaker 18 (01:15:35):
Just talk to us.

Speaker 3 (01:15:36):
First of all, a bit about what the Chinese have
actually done.

Speaker 6 (01:15:39):
Yeah, so the most out of last Tuesday when we
saw cuts to official interest rates. Much like other central banks,
they have cut the cost of borrowing and they also
use mortgage availab body. This came out of the People's
Bank of China. Remember, they've been battling a presidential property
market the last probably decade. They've got out of control
and we're coming through the other side of it, so

(01:15:59):
now they're trying years up. A bit interesting that that
was backed up later and by the week by the
polop Uu, which is the main policy making organization of
the Chinese government. They came out with a bunch of
announcements also aiming at stabilizing housing, supporting consumption. And really
it was a bit unexpected, you know, really this new
found sense of urgency. But not only that, then it

(01:16:22):
was backed up by some of the local government authorities
announcing and easing up and home ownership policies that really
sort of let people go and buy homes again. There's
more to competential jack and there's a bit of speculation
that there's some more fiscal stimulus, particularly propping up some
of the banks giving them some more capital. Certainly, that's
got people were excited. I saw the Chinese shoar market

(01:16:42):
up almost sixteen percent last week, and even today it's
up six point seven percent. So another big day in
the Chinese shaar market.

Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
Yeah, no, that's huge. So what has been the broader
global reaction to it?

Speaker 6 (01:16:55):
Yeah? So soonly markets are still a little bit cautious.
A lot of detail to come out, but we have
seen a bit of a pop and anything that's China related,
and certainly we've seen the resource stocks do quite well
and closer to home, you know, it is supportive for
our commodity exports. So if we do see Chinese consumers
getting a bit optimistic, it's helpful for a new zone
produce helpful in his own travel. One interesting one for

(01:17:20):
certain the dairy industry is there's been a nuts another
monthly child allowance for second children and it's quite chunky
if you're a Chinese family, up to potentially eight hundred
remember per month per child, So that is relative to
average person earning fifteen thousand and one a year. If
you're in a second tier city, that's big.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
Yeah, Yeah, that's huge.

Speaker 7 (01:17:42):
Jay.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
So what about New Zealand how might these changes in
the stimulus impact us?

Speaker 6 (01:17:47):
Yeah, I think we certainly see it come through. Our
dairy sector should do better into this, but it's quite
a broad range of activities that will benefit. Depends a
little bit on where and how fast the policies come through,
but I think needed. So wind for New Zeon definitely
a win for Australia and by second derivative works of
Wind for New Zealand. Australia obviously still a big one

(01:18:09):
of the big trading partners of China's huge Australia, huge
net net.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
Positive back home. Fonterra has got a new strategy.

Speaker 6 (01:18:18):
Yeah. Look, they've undertaken quite in depth review. They've come
out and said, look, we're really good at business to
business theory nutrition and so as a result they're going
to focus back on this high performing ingredients food service
and looking to divest some of its global consumer businesses.
So what does it mean. It may create a better
path to value creation. So for Terra they've come out

(01:18:39):
and a doubt some higher financial targets, higher reternal capital
and a different dividend policy which is an increase in dividend.
So for farmers and for investors in the Fonterra share
funds might see data returns in the future.

Speaker 3 (01:18:53):
It's not all positive in the dairy sector. There simles
results throughout today and they're not great.

Speaker 6 (01:18:59):
No, Fortunately, they are still going through some tough times.
They came out and announced their financial year twenty twenty
four result. The earnings before interest, tax, appreciation and amortization
bit of a mouthful, I'm sorry, that was at forty
five mil down from seventy five million last year on
lower ingredients consumer gross profits. One of the things they

(01:19:19):
have done though, they've they've added an increased one off
payment to South Island farmers who remain with Sinilay, the
biggest ship of sin They's trying to retain them. People
are a bit weary, so they've decided to have another
twenty cents per kilogram of milk solids to the mix
to try and retain those farmers. But unfortunately Sinlay didn't
provide any financial year twenty five guidance and didn't talk

(01:19:41):
about volumes, didn't talk about anything, So it was a
pretty tough day for Cinlay.

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
Hey, thanks for your time, Jane really appreciate it. Shames
from Asset Management, thank you for your feedback as well,
Jack Nicola will are so efficient when it comes down
to it and to need and it's not the choice
that anyone wants. But the truth is that she inherited
a real mess. Jack so refreshing to say. A leader
and team with common sense when it comes round to
spending and budgeting, says Dane, Labor would not have had

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needed to make the same decision regarding to Needen Hospital.
Someone says on the text as Labor wouldn't have spent
billions on virtue signaling tax cuts and tax breaks for
the wealthy. I mean, this is one of the things
that I think the people in need will focus on.
I mean, every every dollar spent or not spent as
a choice, but every dollar that may or may not

(01:20:26):
be brought in through a tax change is also a
choice as well. So you know, yeah, I don't think
this issue is going to go away anytime soon. Anyway,
if you want to flick the text, you can do so.
Ninety two ninety two is the text number. It's twenty
three past six.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
Squnching the numbers and getting the results is Jack Team
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Speaker 3 (01:20:50):
Those are the first bit of good news that those
stranded astronauts up on the International Space Station have had
in a wee while the SpaceX Dragon capsule that is
going to be bringing them home has successfully docked after
docking at the ISS. So you'll remember, of course, that
Butch Wilmore and Sonny Williams flew up to the International
Space Station for what they thought was going to be

(01:21:10):
an eight day mission on the new Boeing star Liner capsule. However,
once it got up there, there were some issues with
the capsule. In the end, the Boeing people and the
NASA people had a bit of a face off. The
NASA people ultimately won. They said, no, we're going to
send the star Liner back to Earth. We're going to
leave Butch and Sonny up on the ISS. Now they'd

(01:21:32):
been going for eight days. They were going to have
to start up there for months. The good news is
they sent some resupplies, so they're no longer borrowing people's
clothes and up on the iss they have enough food
to last them forever. Apparently it's all comes in packets
and that kind of thing. Anyway, even though the Dragon
capsule has arrived, they've still got a bit of a
weight on their heads. It's pretty amazing. They left in June.

(01:21:53):
They're going to be returning to Earth in February, so
you'd really have to hope that you'd loaded some stuff
onto your net Flix account users next.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
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Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
News Talks V with Jack Tame and for Heather Jack,
Good evening. I feel sorry for the astronauts. You got
to say, eight months is a hell of a lot
of an extension, even if you enjoy being in space.
But hey, just think of the overtime pay and at
the end of the day, there isn't much to spend
your money on up there. That's true. Eight months, though,

(01:22:45):
is an awfully long time, Thank you for that ninety
two ninety twif you want to flick us a text,
our Austria is far right. Freedom Party has recorded an
extraordinary victory, and obviously there's been some concern across European
nations about the rise of far right parties over the
last couple of years. This really draws a line in
the sand though, in terms of what these parties have achieved.

(01:23:08):
So the Freedom Party, which is run by this guy
called Herbert Kikel, one just under thirty percent of the
vote according to the provisional results in Austria. We're going
to tell you what that means for Austria, what it
means for Europe when our europe correspondent joins us before
seven o'clock this evening right now though it is twenty
four minutes to seven, team and Sinley's putting on a

(01:23:29):
brave face despite reporting a big loss for the year
to July. So the company's full year results show a
one hundred and eighty one point one hundred and eighty
two point one million dollar loss and debt up thirty
three percent to just over five hundred and fifty million dollars.
But Sinley says it is optimistic especially after shehearholders approved
a more than two hundred million dollar capital raised to

(01:23:52):
restore its balance sheet. CEO Grant Watson is with us
this evening, Hi Grant Cure to Jack good Edmon, Why
has it been such a time?

Speaker 7 (01:24:01):
Oh?

Speaker 17 (01:24:01):
Look, a combination of factors. The first is an impairment
of one hundred and fifteen million dollars and that speaks
to our very underutilized assets in the North Island. Secondly,
trading has been very, very challenging on a number of fronts.
And thirdly, we've been sitting on too much debt and
then off the back of that, the financing costs have
been very, very high.

Speaker 3 (01:24:22):
What are those trading challenges?

Speaker 17 (01:24:25):
Trading challenges for US range from lower demand, lower pricing,
the way that we operate our ingredients contracts. There's a
lag and in the back end of Y twenty four
that generated some quite negative profitability for US foreign exchange
and less favorable product mix.

Speaker 3 (01:24:47):
Are those conditions turning around it all? Do you have
reason for optimism on the trading front?

Speaker 6 (01:24:52):
Yeah, we certainly do.

Speaker 17 (01:24:53):
We've started twenty five off on a really good footing,
and if we look at each of those areas, all
of them are moving far more in favor for us,
and twenty five twenty four was a year of headwinds.
Are twenty five heading into that it's looking more like
tailwinds on balance.

Speaker 3 (01:25:12):
No, that's good to hear. So talk us through the
one off payments to South Island farmers. What is the
purpose of that.

Speaker 17 (01:25:19):
So effectively our farmers have said to us we want
to stay with Sinlay, give us a reason to stay.
Sort out your balance sheet, we've done that. Sort out
your advance rates, we've done that. The twenty cent incentive
is to effectively sure up their supply. A number of
our farmers have cease noticism which have a two year

(01:25:41):
period and we've effectively got those two years to convince
them to stay. So rather than wait for two years,
it's offering that twenty cents up, bringing it forward and
knowing that we've got a certainty around milk supply moving forward.

Speaker 3 (01:25:55):
So sorry, just just explain that to me. So the
cease node is basically that you haven't locked in for
two years and if they want to leave sin Lay,
they've got to give you two years notice and you
can use that two years to try and convince them
to stay. As at how it.

Speaker 17 (01:26:08):
Yeah, that's exactly right, that's exactly right. So we've got
some with only a year to run, some with two
years to run. We want to reverse those cease notices.
Know that we've got that milk supply lockdown. And the
feedback we've had from our farmers is a twenty cent
per kilogram of milk solids is a really good incentive
and the feedback we've had today has been very very
positive in that regard.

Speaker 3 (01:26:29):
Yeah, talk to us about the feedback today.

Speaker 6 (01:26:31):
Oh look, look, I.

Speaker 17 (01:26:33):
Mean we've just paid out seven eighty three as a
market farmgate milk price. We're paying on average and extra
twenty eight cents per kilogram. This is the icing on
the top. This is enough of an incentive for them
to withdraw draw that notice, and so off the back
of that, it's been very very positive feedback from our
farmer and.

Speaker 3 (01:26:53):
So I appreciate its early days. You've only had a
few hours to digest this. But what percentage of farmers
that have seen notices in place have already said that
they will remove those seas notices?

Speaker 17 (01:27:04):
Oh look, it's very early days. We've got our field
teams out working with farmers at the moment, getting a
sense of their plans, getting those commitments locked in so
literally it was released this morning. They've got them till
the end of May twenty twenty five. But the feedback,
the sentiment coming back is extremely favorable.

Speaker 3 (01:27:24):
So what do you think, And again, I know it's
early days, but what would extremely favorable mean that eighty
percent of those who've got the seas notices at the
moment would withdraw them? Or is there another figure you've
kind of gotten your mind.

Speaker 17 (01:27:35):
Yeah, we're targeting one hundred. Clearly, if we land at
something close to ninety percent, that would work very very
well for our business model.

Speaker 3 (01:27:44):
How many farmers had the sea's notices in place?

Speaker 17 (01:27:47):
We haven't disclosed the exact amount, but it's comfortably north
of fifty percent.

Speaker 3 (01:27:52):
Right, that's a big number.

Speaker 17 (01:27:54):
A it's a big chunk, it's a big check.

Speaker 3 (01:27:56):
Oh yeah, And so what do you put that down to?
What do you put they're dissatisfaction down to?

Speaker 17 (01:28:02):
Up to this point, Oh, I've known that we've been
very leveraged in terms of our balance sheet for the
season twenty three twenty four, we didn't keep up with
the market advance. Right, So when I say advanced. Right,
that's effectively the cash flow profile during the season. To
our farmers, we were behind the eight ball there. Both

(01:28:23):
of those things are unacceptable to our farmers. We accept that,
and that's exactly why we've addressed that. We've listened to them,
and we've added this additional twenty cents into the mix.

Speaker 3 (01:28:34):
So acknowledging that you've had really good feedback that farmers
say that, yeah, we had the season notice in place,
but we're going to be we're going to be ending that,
and that you think that ninety percent of farmers who
have those notices in place are likely to stick with
some Well, what would have been the impact if they hadn't,
Just on the impact on the business, do you think, oh.

Speaker 17 (01:28:54):
Look, it would be quite devastating to the business. We
were a dairy company with our good supply coming off
the farms and onto our process and facilities. We're very
limited as to the business we can operate, so it
would have been devastating.

Speaker 3 (01:29:10):
Yeah, okay, So give us a bit of a picture
for the next twelve months or so. If we're having
this conversation twelve months from now, what do you think
you'd be saying.

Speaker 17 (01:29:18):
Yeah, there's three curios for us in the next twelve months.
We've deleveraged the balance sheet and we need to continue
to deleverage the balance sheet. We need to address profitability
and it's primarily a function of lifting up our training
volumes and reducing expenses, and we've got a very very
clear plan in place that we've started the year well.

(01:29:39):
And thirdly, just making sure that we retain that milk
supply with our farmers.

Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
Yeah, fantastic, Hey, thanks so much for your time. Really
appreciate it. Gran that is Grant Watton, who is the
CEO of Sinlay Hassandras's Jack astronauts. They could rewrite and
record six months in a leaky boat. That's true, didn't it.
What's his name, Chris? I can't remember the name of
the s Chris whatever his name was used to have
a guitar up on the International Space Station. I'm not

(01:30:04):
sure if that's still knocking around. You know that there
has a ridiculous reason for sending it up there to
see if the strings would operate the same in a
low gravity environment or something like that. Angus is Jack.
I wonder if the astronauts will take the work from
home option next time. If that was available to them. Yes,
you see, you see, this is the thing I think
if I actually think a lot of people misread Nikola

(01:30:25):
Willis's directive on the working from home thing last week.
But yeah, this might be one angus where that probably
doesn't apply as much as they might wish it had
on this occasion. Thanks for your feedback. I'll get to
borrow that very soon. Right now, it is seventeen to
seven here with Jack Tame on News Talks.

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Speaker 3 (01:30:51):
Well, Michael is not convinced necessarily that many farmers are
going to stay with sin Lay Jack of a Good Afternoon.
Obviously the CEO hasn't seen the movie or you're dreaming,
You're dreaming when it comes to getting farmers to stay. Obviously,
he seems to think that the feedback they've had from
that additional payment to South Island Farmers is going to
be enough to get a lot of those farmers to
remove their ceased notices. But the proof of the pudding

(01:31:13):
is in the eating, So we will see very interesting
announcement or decision from New Zealand Post that is going
through an organizational restructure. Interesting time for it to be
going through an organizational restructure, given of course Christmas is
very busy for New Zealand Post staff. But anyway, the
thing that they've put through to the affected staff is

(01:31:34):
basically that they can take voluntary redundancy or they can
work a four day week.

Speaker 6 (01:31:41):
But the.

Speaker 3 (01:31:43):
Fishock with the four day week is that you then
take a pay cup, so you get paid for four
days a week as opposed to five, but you keep
employment or you take voluntary redundancy, which is an interesting thing.
It's not often in these kind of situations that you
see employees being presented with those kinds of opportunities. It's
a bit of a sophie's choice. I get that no
one wants either of those options, but very interesting. Nonetheless,

(01:32:06):
right now it is thirteen to seven on News Talks.
He'd be in time to catch up with UK corresponding
Devin Gray, who's with us this evening Hikevin, Hi there, Jack,
so talk to us about this far right Freedom Party
in Austria just under thirty percent of the vote, meaning
it is celebrating what is an historic election victory.

Speaker 13 (01:32:26):
Yeah, it sure is sensitive times of course with Austria
when you're talking about the far right and its links
of course to Hitler and the war. But the party
of the far right, the Freedom Party, won by almost
three points ahead of the more conservative People's Party. However,
it is far short of forming a majority, and that's

(01:32:48):
going to be the issue because most of the other
parties are ruling out categorically joining in any type of coalition.

Speaker 1 (01:32:56):
With the FBO.

Speaker 13 (01:32:58):
That said, one of them says, yes, I might join it,
but not with the current leader as leader.

Speaker 3 (01:33:03):
Why are they so sensitive?

Speaker 13 (01:33:04):
Well, because the fire in leader, Herbert Kicklers, promised Austrians
to build Fortress Austria, as he's described it, to restore
their security, prosperity and peace. He's also described himself as
the volks Councelor that's called People's Chancellor. And I'm afraid
that's what Adolf Hitler used to describe himself as in
Nazi Germany. And indeed the party was founded by Nazis

(01:33:27):
in the nineteen fifties, and two days before the votes,
some of its candidates were caught on video singing an
SS song at a funeral anyway, they've won the battle
will now be on to tranform some sort of a government.
The issues of migration asylum were very high up on this.
This could be bad news for Ukraine as well. They've
promised to turn the tap off of funding them much

(01:33:48):
more pro Russian and it'll be a huge thorn in
the side of the EU Bloc, which now has a
right wing Italian government and also far right support in
France and the Netherlands too.

Speaker 3 (01:34:00):
So what is the likelihood given that this leader is
going to stand down, given he is individually so popular
and undoubtedly charismatic regardless of his politics, is there any
real possibility that you will stand down so they can
actually form a coalition in govern Well, I wouldn't have thought.

Speaker 13 (01:34:17):
So there might be some sort of middle ground where
maybe he's not the leader on paper or by name,
but you know, he's got some other title. But as
you said, he's popular, so it's unlikely he's going to
just sort of decide to go, but there will be
pressure on the other parties I think to actually form
a coalition. This is what people voted for. However, when
the Freedom Party, the right wing far right one in

(01:34:38):
the Netherlands, the leader Hurt Wilders agreed to drop his
bid to become prime minister so that three other parties
would agree to form a coalition with his This is a.

Speaker 3 (01:34:48):
Phenomenon, we're saying right across Europe, right as anywhere in
Europe not experiencing a such in popularity for far right parties.

Speaker 13 (01:34:56):
Well, i'd look, I put so kind of point to
UK because of course we've gone from center right to
center left, but we're definitely against the trend.

Speaker 3 (01:35:05):
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, very good point. Speaking of the
UK government, they've titled Rules around Ministerial Hospitality.

Speaker 13 (01:35:14):
What a start to the premiership this has been for
the Labor Party, the new government as of early July,
they've had an absolute terrible a week of their own making, really,
with the announcement of lots and lots of freebies having
been accepted within just the first few weeks of power.
So the Prime Minister Sirkirstarma originally declared about thirty five

(01:35:36):
thousand pounds worth of new clothes and he declared those
as work for his private office. That's going to be recategorized.
We've had other scanners of tickets. But now the government
is saying it's going to tighten up on these transparency rules.
So when a minister receives hospitality linked to their government job,
they've normally declared in their MPs register. They've very rarely

(01:35:59):
do claric by their departments that that's going to be
a specific requirement to do that under these new rules.
And also they have to put a figure on how
much it's worth, which they haven't had to do in
the past. And incidentally, all this has come up in
the first few weeks of his premiership. The next list,
which governs the next period of time, is due to
come up just later.

Speaker 3 (01:36:20):
This startup up. It does seem like a bit of
an own goal for ken Stahmer, isn't it. I mean,
you know, they were all about, you know, restoring standards
an office, or at least they seem to be during
the election campaign, trying to differentiate themselves from the Lewis
Truss's and Boris Johnson's maybe lest of the Richie soon
exper certainly the conservative leadership style that had defined a

(01:36:43):
couple of those conservative prime ministers. It just seems like
such an avoidable kind of era, don't you think.

Speaker 13 (01:36:49):
Yeah, absolutely a complete misstep and plenty of people have
been pointing that out and it isn't just the Prime Minister,
it's other senior members of his team as well, and
one MP has quit as well, saying it's been absolutely
disgusting Gavin.

Speaker 3 (01:37:04):
The number of uniage students needing support for eating disorders
has more than double than recent years.

Speaker 13 (01:37:10):
Yeah, very sad. This according to a charity which offers
to support to people over the phone, basically saying that
in a period from Eightpril twenty three to March twenty four,
their sessions are numbered more than fifteen thousand helps calls
for help from eighteen to twenty two year olds and
that's up from six six hundred for the same period

(01:37:33):
twenty nineteen to twenty two. So over the last five
years then the calls for help of more than doubled.
Some of it, yes, managing of finances, because of course
life as a student can be tough, but managing groceries,
getting to class on time, anxiety, being away from home,
new way of working and studying, meeting new friends, all

(01:37:54):
of this, of course comes. Most people seem to sort
of fine with it, but there does seem to be
this growing I don't know, lack of certainty about yourself,
like a confidence about yourself, which is deeply concerning. So
they're calling for more mental health centers to be set
up in universities to tackle this.

Speaker 3 (01:38:09):
Yeah, I'm wonder if the it's interesting, right because COVID
has isolated people, but you know, you wonder at you
to what extent, you know, it's hard to understand, but
that phenomenon has kind of has has influenced the surge.

Speaker 13 (01:38:24):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's been very so it's also been
seen in hospitals as well, which has seen an increase
in eating disorder referrals up eighty two percent since twenty
nineteen twenty twenty. So yeah, it's not just UNIS, but
it is young people affected the most, and it is
affecting both those unis and the National Health Service.

Speaker 3 (01:38:43):
Really appreciate your time is always given that as you
can your correspondent, Gavin Gray, it's sex to seven.

Speaker 1 (01:38:49):
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Speaker 3 (01:39:01):
Well be is almost us. It's almost time for our
time together this afternoon. Thank you very much for sending
all your texts and emails over the last couple of hours.
On News Talks, he'd be The good news is that
Jason Pine is going to be doing the tough stuff
over the next hour, taking new calls on Sports Talk.
Andy has pecked a song to close us out for
this evening. What have we got, Senes? Of course, with

(01:39:22):
the unfortunate news of the death of Chris Christofferson, I've
gone with We heard a little bit of it a
bit earlier Highwayman by the Highwaymen that he performed very good,
okay eighty eight, So yeah, news from his family that
he passed away at his home in Hawaii, but a
good little choice. Thank you for that, Andy, and thank
you Michael for lining everything up, making sure all the

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