Full Show Podcast: 9 August 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's hither
duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected.
You Stall said b.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Right, good afternoon, welcome to the show coming up today.
Yet another miller's closed pan pack has confirmed it shut
of the Napier pulp mill because of power prices. We're
gonna have a chat to them after five. Christ Church
Cathedral looks like it's gonna be mothboard. We'll talk to
a christ Church City councilor about that. And what actually
did happen to the attiti last night? Was it too windy?
Was it the wrong course that was put in? Hopefully

(00:37):
the crew lawyer will be able to fill us in.
Heather duplicy l on the christ Church Cathedral rebuild, I
actually think Nichola Willis has made the right call not
to give any more tax payer money to it. I
mean it's a tough call, right, It's gonna have consequences.
As they're saying, it looks like the cathedral might be
mothboard because they just cannot figure out at the stage
how else they're going to raise the money. But frankly,

(00:58):
I don't need you to you don't need me to
tell you this. The country can't afford to give them
another sixty million dollars, can it. We're living on our
credit card. We've already stumped up about twenty five million
bucks to help them out. And let's remember this is
a privately owned church. It's owned by the Anglicans. It's
not like we are helping to build something that belongs

(01:18):
to us. It belongs to the Anglicans. And they are
sitting on about two point nine billion dollars worth of
assets at last count, just in this country alone. Liquid
ad an asset if you want to pay for it now.
I don't want to appear to be callous about this
because I realize that this is a really important place
for christ Church and it will be disappointing to a
lot of Cantabrians. But christ Church has had a lot

(01:40):
of taxpayer assistance since the quake, you know, quite rightly,
quite rightly, but it's been a lot, and there has
got to be a limit to it. And I want
to compare it to what's happened to Wellington. For example,
Wellington actually suffered a lot more than people realized from
the twenty sixteen CAI Coda earthquake. I mean, I think
we've come to realize that the most likely explanation for
all of the pipes bursting in Wellington currently is because

(02:02):
of the quake that happened in twenty sixteen, and there
has been, as far as I can tell, no taxpayer
assistance for Wellington in dealing with what has happened as
a result of that quake. Now I realize it's not
a straight comparison. I mean, the christ Church quake of
twenty eleven was miles miles bigger and much more devastating
than the twenty sixteen Cai Coda quake, and so of

(02:22):
course Wellington would not be assisted to the level that
christ Church has been. But the point I'm trying to
make is that apart from some funding for privately held residences,
Wellington has not been helped. Christ Church has been helped
a lot. And maybe it's time for the Anglicans to
help now because it is their building after all.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Heller do for see Allen nine.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Two is the tex number. You're welcome to weigh in
on that, and we will get into it around about
five ten or thereabouts. Now new migrants are going to
have to pay a lot more to come here. From
October one, prices for new visas are set to skyrocket.
The price of a skilled residence visa is going to
rise more than two thousand dollars. It's about four thy
three hundred the moment, it's going to be six thousand,
five hundred. Work visas will cost about double the current price,

(03:05):
and applicants in the investor plus category will have to
pay about twenty seven and a half thousand dollars for
a visa, which is more than triple what they pay
at the moment. A Rooney Madingra is the chair of
the New Zealand Association for Migration and Investment and with
us now, hey here, is this going to put off
any migrants from coming here?

Speaker 3 (03:26):
It possibly will. I mean what I say is that
we kin't use this. As you know, across all the categories,
we will see different effects across different categories of visas.
For example, if New Zealand keeps offering what we offer
for students studying master's courses here, I wouldn't expect that
we would see a drop in interest for that piece.
But for the other categories, say carpenters or tilers that

(03:49):
actually have no residence pathways.

Speaker 4 (03:51):
Why would they even bother coming to New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Okay, so for anybody who actually has the possibility of
becoming a resident and therefore becoming a citizen, this is
absolutely not going to put them off fair.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
I mean at will. There's a lot of thinking that
needs to happen, and when employers that bring people into
the country, they will now have to budget for a
lot more. And one of the things that I quite
say blatantly is I understand that the government's trying to
align this with Australia, but the reality is we are
not Australia. Our economy is not the same and people
have different motivations to come here.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Is it a bad thing a rouma if we actually
have some migrants who are dissuaded from coming here, because
frankly we're running hot at the.

Speaker 5 (04:31):
Moment on this, yeah, I think it is.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
We have to be very careful.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
It has a potential of really being detrimental to the
New Zealand immigration system and in how it supplements our workforce.
When we are increasing these fees, we have to give
people something in return. With the current situation with operationalizing
with immigration, New Zealand inconsistent decision making, the time it takes,
and then to increase the fees on top is a

(04:57):
disaster waiting to happen.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
I mean, the argument the government's making at the moment
is that these fees will put us on power the
Aussies and the UK. Is that right?

Speaker 3 (05:07):
It will? But I think what I say to that
is that we are not the UK and we are
not Australia. We cannot compare apples to apples. And if
we are going to put ourselves in that position, then
I think there's a lot of other factors that need
to be taken into account. We are I mean, can I.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Just say though, I mean, you're making it sound like
if we put the stuff in, nobody's going to want
to come here. The fact is we are a very
attractive destination. They will still wonder come in.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
I mean, people obviously have motivations, and like I said,
if you look at a student visa, it doesn't matter
how much you increase the feest because they get so
much for doing a master's here, They're still going to
be ques outside of New Zealand. When you look at
other visa categories, like there's partners that have people here.
This is going to hit the pocket. And then you
have those employers that are bringing workers from overseas, they're

(05:53):
going to have to pay.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
A lot more.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
So if we are increasing the fees, we have to
get our immigration processing these visa consistently and in a
timely manner.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
We have to give a better customer service.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Okay, if you're charging more, you have to make sure
that the service is improved.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
Right, Well, you can't expect someone to aid four months
for a visa.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
No, fair enough? What's the UK service?

Speaker 6 (06:12):
Like?

Speaker 4 (06:14):
I mean, the thing is that UK service.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
I mean they've got fast priority qs and I don't
really operate in that space. But it's not apples to apples.
All I'm saying is the feesa is going to increase
from the first of October. Let's not give people more
incentives with a brilliant customer.

Speaker 4 (06:29):
Service, even make it better than because.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Currently operationalization within immigration is a bit.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
Of a mess and it has to be rectified.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah, a fair point. Hey a Runema, thank you very much.
I really appreciate you perspective. That's a Runeama Ingra, a
chair of the New Zealand Association for Migration and Investment. Now,
the reason that the government is doing this. I mean,
you could probably figure it out. Is because they are
saying the move freeze up five hundred and sixty three
million dollars over the next four years. Now what they
quite mean by freezer, I don't know what what's up
with that language. What that means is we get that money,

(06:59):
so we're going to be so we got I don't see. Frankly,
I'm all on board of this, an't you. I mean,
we have always been a migration destination, we always will be.
We may as well get some dollars from the people
coming in on their way, and why not here the
great show christ Church can pay for their own I'm
a taxpayer stuff the churches, et cetera. Listen, the C

(07:20):
two boys. Now, the C two boys did the canoeing
last night, but that's not actually the thing that we
were interested in, because we know that they're a bit
crappy at that. What we were interested in is how
did they compete in the K four, which is the
whole point of them trying to get in through this
back door way of doing the canoeing and stuff like that.
How do they go in the kayaking? They were in
the final they made it to the final. They came last.

(07:41):
Now that sounds bad, it's not bad. What it means
is that they are the eighth best K four crew
in the world, which actually is not a bad thing.
The sports boys, we're just telling me a minute ago.
It is an up and coming sport in New Zealand,
the K for we're not actually that good at it yet,
like we are on the improve with it. It is
the Marquis event if you're into kayaking, apparently it's the

(08:03):
most competitive one. So for us to be in the
top eight in the world in kayaking is actually in
K four is actually not a bad thing. And bear
in mind that the New Zealand Olympic Committee's criteria for
whether we send you to the Olympics or not is
can you be in the top sixteen. These boys are
in the top eight, so that absolutely earned their place
and justified going in the roundabout back way doing the canoeing. Anyway,

(08:25):
let's talk sport next with Jason Pine quarter past.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's hither duper c
Allen Drive with one New Zealand one giant leaf for business.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
U Storks be hither to be fair. It's eight that
of eleven entry. Stop it, stop, stop trying to stop
trying to make this a negative. I'm trying to make
it a positive with me right now as Darcy Watergrave
sports Stalk coach dares.

Speaker 7 (08:48):
And I'm a positive. Am I fantastic? Thank you?

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Yeah, you're welcome. So we've got three medals last night?
How good?

Speaker 7 (08:53):
Ah, very good watching the rowing, watching Lisa Carrington and
that K four because they they lagged behind the Germans,
they were leading the game for well, the Germans started
inching forward. You had a commentator's getting all excited about
the Germans and suddenly oomph, here we go again and
Karen go not on my watch here she leaned over

(09:13):
and said hold my beer and then charged. It was.
It was a magnificent race to watch. It really was outstanding.
I'm like the joy, the joy, and then so obviously
I passed out on the couch. I don't know what time,
it was some ridiculous hour and I wake up, bolt
upright at seven in the morning. I went, what are
my videos? Alessandrado the gold so yeah, starting and let's

(09:35):
not forget the Knacker as well with the bronze medal
for the Sailors. So it's not all bad. It was
a really entertaining night.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Why hasn't the all black scams sold out?

Speaker 7 (09:46):
Because no one in Wellington has any money?

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Do you reckon? That's what it is?

Speaker 7 (09:50):
Well people ask me this and I'm always throwing up
theory our jobs. That was your theory. We're becoming alarmingly
too similar, Heather thing.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
That's why they're calling me work at the moment.

Speaker 7 (10:02):
Are they really why? I don't think you're that bad
or good? You wonder though, if if Wellington we know
in Wellington and Wellington Christmas is great because there's no
one there because everyone goes home because everyone works for
civil services, right and there's got my money, there's no jobs,
or they're just like how the Olympic consilement is a.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Reflection of how much we care about a game against
the RGS.

Speaker 7 (10:21):
Possibly, Yeah, I think that in any disastrous situation, it's
not one trigger that causes the disaster. Yeah, it's a
number of different situations, and one of them would be
the lack of money. One of them be the fact
that's Argentina. One of them was saying, was there be
any promotion around this game? Did anyone know because we've
been watching the Olympics. You go over there and stay
over there.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Well, this is a fair point, right, it's hardly there's
hardly been much of a build up to it.

Speaker 7 (10:45):
I wouldn't think so.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, it's not. I mean if you compare it, for example,
this is a straight comparison, compare it to the build
up to the English match that was massive. Yes, matches,
I should say. Okay, now do you think that when
Alex Paulson signed left the Phoenix and signed to go
to Bournemouth and we were all excited about it, that
he actually knew that he was going to be loaned

(11:06):
back into New Zealand to the Auckland club.

Speaker 7 (11:08):
I didn't think he had a clue. Really, we've got
him on the show tonight.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
If he didn't have a clue, then he must be gutted.

Speaker 7 (11:16):
I'd suggest. But what I think is like, I'm no
football head. People know that, you know, I'm vague interest.
I talk a lot about it because Sports broadcaster. As
soon as I saw that, I'm like, well he's coming
back here, an't it? So today to work.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
And when you saw the signing happen.

Speaker 7 (11:32):
We would going to Bournemouth under Bill Foley and this
part of the eland back playing for Auckland. Of course
he will. It didn't seem surprising to me when this
morning the news came out. I was actually fighting around
last night. Everyone's going, wow, get it.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
In the first in his first season.

Speaker 7 (11:48):
They wanted somebody up there in Auckland doing well for
their team. They wanted to create some wonderful gust goalie.
It's a great goalie. But the problem here is that
he thought foolishly, I might add, because you just it's
the whole Ockham's Raiser thing, you know, it's just like
the least very outcomes. They need a goalkeeper. You play
in the A League. The guy who owns you is

(12:09):
the same guy that owns the club that are.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
I think you probably have Phoenix the feeling about it.

Speaker 7 (12:14):
Well, we've got David Dome on the show to night
as well. I mus have talking to everybody about too,
because it's the casirous law that may be problematic, but
generally the A League want rid of that law because
they want to attract more high quality players to the
A League because the A League's going broke, so they
need more players. So I think that's a mere formality,
and David Dome was right to say, hey, can we

(12:34):
look at this police because there's a bit of a
law going on right now. But I look at Paulson.
He's thinking himself, well, I might maybe go to Bournemouth,
but I might end up playing in Europe or Amatic,
playing in Scotland. I'm not playing. And he was living
in this wonderful dream that I'm going.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
To be that and then come and what No, Darcy,
he had to have known. That's too cruel to do
it to a young man like that.

Speaker 7 (12:57):
He had known, right lights, big cities know this is
a figure.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
This out for us tonight. We have to know whether
this whether he knew or.

Speaker 7 (13:03):
I'll ask the punters to help me. Oh eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty the football fans out there, you
let me know what's.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Going Yeah, yeah, totally. Nineteen ninety is the text number.
Did he know or did he not? Darcy? Thank you
very much, appreciate it. As Darcy Wadgrave Sports Stork host
back at seven this.

Speaker 7 (13:15):
Evening, you'll have a mullet and near funga before you
know it.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Hey what, I don't even know what? Sometimes I don't
know what comes out, turning into me, Oh, yeah, no,
that's right, Yeah, I am. I am becoming a work
still like you. Four twenty three Heather.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Duplicy Ellen cutting through the noise to get the facts.
It's Heather Duplicy Allen drive with One New Zealand. Let's
get connected and news talk as they'd be.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Hey, So the jury and the Polkinghorn murder trial have
visited the house in Remons where this all happened. Now
it's a multimillion dollar place. Well it would be because
it's in Rimawara, isn't it. It's two story. What the
jury did was they walked through the house, directed by
a police officer, but they weren't allowed to ask any
questions or anything like that was it appears to have
be done largely in silence from the jury. They entered

(14:00):
through the entrance way where Hannah Pauline Hannah's body was found.
They then turned left to go upstairs to the guest
bedroom in the en suite. Then they walked through to
the master bedroom on the right side of the house.
Then they went downstairs again, following the route that apparently
Polkinghorn had taken into the kitchen in the dining area
at least according to defense, they then went to the library,

(14:24):
sorry the laundry. They actually asked to go to the
laundry where damp sheets were found in the dryer during
the scene examination. And they were in the house for
around about half an hour doing this. And then after
the jury had gone through, the lawyers and the judge
and the judge's assistant went through, the media were not allowed.
How fascinating is that, I imagine? Yeah, I mean, putting it,

(14:44):
putting it all into perspective would be quite quite a
good thing to do. Listen, I need to keep you
up up to speed on what's going on with the
powers situations to stand by, and I will do that
very shortly. Heither, what do people think the outcome is
going to be when the criteria to get a job
with Kibi railers the ability to speak set or on
how much community volunteer work you do, rather than your
competence at being the captain of the ship. Jeez. I

(15:06):
mean it's like this everywhere now, isn't it. You could
get a job at Treasure, but you could get a
job at the Reserve Bank, just like if you have
an expertise in diversity, never mind actually being an economist.
This is how the place works at the moment. I've
got a counter argument coming through on the cathedral, loud
and clear, so stand by for that headline's.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Next hard questions, strong opinion ever duper see Ellen drive
with one New Zealand let's get connected and news talks.

Speaker 8 (15:37):
It be we.

Speaker 9 (15:41):
Gathered colds the weatheriz still far.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
Right.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Dan Minchenson is standing by out of the US plenty
to talk about there in politics and then of course
politics in New Zealand with Barry Soap very shortly now.
Earlier this week we got a text suggesting that we
haven't heard the end of the mill closures right because
of the power power prices and so far what we've
heard is that Winston is closing briefly for two weeks
two of its mills near Uhakuni, and og is closing

(16:14):
its Penrose mill, possibly permanently. That text said to us
check out some of the other ones as well. Mentioned.
Pan Pack in Hawk's Bay can now confirm yep, they
have stopped production. They stop production on Saturday. This is
their pulp mill. Pan Pack is quite big, right, and
they've got a bunch of stuff that they do other

(16:35):
than pulp as well, but all of what they do
accounts for about six percent of hawks Bay's gdpiece is massive.
Now the PULP will be a portion of that. It
will not be six percent entirely, but that's a big deal, right,
So that the text was right on that, and we're
going to talk to Tony Clifford, who is the CEO
at pan Pac. He'll be with us after five o'clock.
The text also said check out kin Leath as well.

(16:56):
That may be closed or closing. So we got in
touch with the OG and yep, Kinleith is also in trouble.
This text proved to be very very accurate. The CEO say,
isn't a statement you would expect us to look across
the whole company. For example, we are working on a
detailed improvement plan for Kinleath. So there you go. It's
much much bigger than just the three that we had

(17:17):
heard about. Somebody in authority said to me this morning.
They made a really good point. They said, in total,
what we are looking at right now is about a
thousand jobs in the regions, and that includes Penrose and Auckland,
about a thousand jobs under threat. Why is the media
not crying gigantic tears about a thousand people's jobs in

(17:38):
the regions when they cry gigantic tears about public sector
cuts in Wellington. I mean a thousand jobs in Wellington
apparently counts for a lot more than in the regions.
But anyway, we won't be beating up on the media
too much today because we've done a lot of that
haven't been recently. Twenty three away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
It's the World Wires on newstalks'd be.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Drive, It's showtime. Donald Trump and Karmala Harris have agreed
to debate each other three times in September. They're going
to start on the fourth of September on Fox.

Speaker 7 (18:04):
So I think it's very important that we have them.

Speaker 10 (18:06):
I hope she agrees to him September fourth, September tenth,
September twenty fifth, and I think they'll be very revealing.

Speaker 11 (18:13):
Now.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Kamla is obviously going to be hoping it goes a
little bit better for her than Joe Biden, and it
probably will. Noah Lyles, who's the Olympic champion over one
hundred meters, missed out on the gold medal in the
two hundred meters. Unfortunately, he did take home the bronze
because he collapsed on the track after the race had
to be carted off in a wheelchair by paramedics. Turns
out he had COVID.

Speaker 12 (18:33):
USA Truck and Field have confirmed that he had tested
positive for COVID two days ago. He leaves pirates for
two medals, one in the one hundred that gold and
this bronze medal in the two hundred meters. But there
will be questions now over whether he should have run
that race today. I've been known for two days that
he's got COVID. People all us that, and USA Truck
and Field have said it was his.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Choice and he's still got bronze. How amazing is that?
And millennials, this one's for you. Well, you can now
stay in a life sized Polly Pocket House if you
want to. In celebration of the dolls thirty fifth anniversary,
Airbnb is offering guests the chance to book a one

(19:16):
night's stay in a life size replica of Pollypocket's compact home.
Guests can get ready at Polly's vanity. They've got the
press on nails for you've got the butterfly hair clips,
and there's also a retro fridge which is filled with snacks.
That every nineties kid.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
Wanted, International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of
mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Dan Mitch's the US correspondents with US. Now, Hey, Dan, Hey,
what are the snacks that every nineties kid wanted?

Speaker 13 (19:42):
Do you reckon? I don't know. I'm just glad I
didn't grow up in the nineties.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
When did you grow the eighties?

Speaker 14 (19:46):
Did you?

Speaker 3 (19:47):
No?

Speaker 13 (19:47):
No, No, I'll keep going back.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Oh my gosh, you're really ong.

Speaker 14 (19:52):
No.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
I mean, surely, like what was it in the nineties
would have been like gob stoppers?

Speaker 13 (19:56):
I honestly don't know.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
Deterted.

Speaker 13 (20:00):
Mine is grunge. That's the only thing I can think of.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
I can't even think what the snacks were back then. Dan, Listen,
Kamala Harris. I mean, she's taken an eight point lead
over Donald Trump and new poll that's significant. She wins.

Speaker 13 (20:10):
I mean, that's huge.

Speaker 15 (20:11):
I think that's that's that's better than a margin of
error right now. And they showed that when you throw
in the third party candidate, that she's leading voters fifty
percent to Donald Trump's forty two percent. And that's huge
compared to what Joe Biden was trailing. Donald Trump, which
was something like forty one to forty four percent just
a couple of months ago. So I think that this

(20:32):
lead is a little bit of a honeymoon phase right now.
But the polls showed that this is still going to
be a close race. And you know, she's gaining momentum,
and not just with the public opinion. I mean, her
fundraising has been astronomical.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Donald Trump made the point that she doesn't want to
be interviewed by anybody. Now, why would that be.

Speaker 15 (20:52):
I think she has a case of biden itis in
a way. I don't think she is the best person
to string sentences together sometimes in interviews, and we've seen.

Speaker 13 (21:05):
That quite a bit. And she laughs.

Speaker 15 (21:06):
She has a very nervous laugh. It's a great laugh,
but it just comes at inappropriate times. So I think
she's holding off. I think her handlers are holding off.
They're trying to ride this wave of positive press that
she's received so far.

Speaker 13 (21:20):
And then we'll kind of see what happens in the
coming weeks.

Speaker 15 (21:22):
But you're right, the press is a little frustrated right
now that they can't get some one on one.

Speaker 11 (21:26):
Time with her.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, because I mean, look, she's obviously she's riding that
honeymoon wave, and that's a very smart thing to do.
But at some stage it will wane and she will
have to give interviews, won't she.

Speaker 13 (21:36):
Well, she will because you have to find out where
she stands.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Are Is she any good at debates?

Speaker 15 (21:42):
You know what, I can honestly say, I've never really
I can't remember the last time she had any debate
against anybody. I think it's going to be a little
bit more precise than when Donald Trump goes off on
his tangents.

Speaker 13 (21:55):
But I think it's how Trump says things.

Speaker 15 (21:57):
It always makes him look like he's come out on
top of a lot of his debates, even if what
he's seen is not factually correct.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Now, did you see the video of jd Vance going
to the airport on the tarmac and trying to sort
of get near Kamala Harris an Air Force two and
force her to talk to the media.

Speaker 15 (22:14):
I thought it looked like a scene out of something
like Entourage, the TV show or something like that.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Dick when he does stuff like this, I.

Speaker 15 (22:22):
Don't know why he was trying to do it, except
that it made for some good TV and it made
for a lot of funny memes. I mean, there was
no way he was going to get some one on
one time with Kamala Harris. Now, I think if this
had been twenty years ago, I think that would have
been a great move. I think it would have been
nice to have seen both those candidates shake hands and
wish each other the best of luck.

Speaker 13 (22:39):
But stuff like that just doesn't happen these days.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Does it play well for him though, because I think
he looks like a bit of a clown, am I
being idea?

Speaker 13 (22:46):
No, No, I think you're right.

Speaker 15 (22:47):
I think it just looks like something an amateur did
and trying to get some face time, and unfortunately the
media gave it to him.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Thank you. Hey, okay, so talk to me about why
we need to tell time on the Moon and what
the complications are. What's going on here, apparently.

Speaker 15 (23:00):
The Moon because there's this there's less gravity on the
Moon th there's here on Earth. Things move a little
more quickly, just a microseconds every day compared with Earth.
So by getting this time system down that NASA wants
to do with international agencies around the world, they want
to establish what they're calling a Moon centric time reference system.
And you think, well, what big, I mean, that's like

(23:22):
when we moved clocks at whatever we do every four
years because of leap here, right, But this would provide
time keeping benchmarks for spacecraft and satellites that are up there,
and landings and data transfers, so a lot more things
than we kind of give it credit for. And I
think that's why they're trying to synchronize everything so everybody's
sort of on the same plane.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Hey, have you watched this video cam? The body can
off the.

Speaker 15 (23:46):
Half and it was a lot more telling than I
was expecting to. You can see the officer being lifted
up by what you can see quite a few officers going.
I mean, it was like an episode of Cops almost,
As he's struggling to to hoist himself up and he
looks over the edge of the roof and he can
see the shooter. And then he gets back down on
the ground and he's warning fellow officers about what's going on.

(24:09):
And then seconds later you see the shooter open fire
at the former president's rally. In the next moment, you
see the gunman dead within seconds of his first shot.
And I think this is giving a lot of I
don't want to see evidence necessarily, but it's certainly opening
a lot of eyes to what happened during that time
and giving some credibility to why the Secret Service is

(24:32):
having to answer all.

Speaker 13 (24:33):
These questions interesting about how that guy got up there
and what he did.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Thank you, Dan, I really appreciate it. Go and enjoy
your weekend. That's Dan Mitchinson, now US correspondent. Okay, here
are some nineties lollies and you will remember these, do
you remember? Nerds used to buy them. I don't know
if you still can get them, but you used to
buy them in a little box that was round about
the size of a packet of Sigies, maybe just slightly
smaller than a packet of Siggies, and it was divided

(24:58):
in half, the cawdbo box. You'd have these little like
sliding things on either side where you could open one
hole on one side and one hole on the other side,
and each half so the half of each box was
full of a different flavor of these little like tiny,
like little granular pieces of candy that were a little
bit sour and poppy, and they were called nerds. So
you'd have the orange ones on one side and the
pink ones on the other side. They were my favorites.

(25:19):
I think was the mixture of orange and pink. Bubble tape.
Do you remember that you used to get Hubba Bubba?
Remember Hubba Bubba was the chewing gum which had sort
of like a it would have two different flavors, would
be two different colors. It was really intense and full on,
very flexible for the blowing and stuff. And then you
could buy the Hubba Bubba bubble tape, which was basically
chewing gum in a in a in a tape form

(25:41):
like basically it looked like a like a builder's tape. Warheads.
Remember the warheads? Do you remember the warheads? Warheads were
little candies that came in there individually wrapped and they
had a little head on the front like there was
the picture, and they were sour. And that was the
point was that it was like it was an intense
experience to be sucking on those lollies. So, yeah, you

(26:02):
go to the polypocket house to help yourself to a
whole bunch of this really delicious and nutritious snack time.
Barry Soaper's next fourteen away from five.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
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Speaker 2 (26:14):
By senior political correspondence with US Now hy Berry, Good.

Speaker 7 (26:17):
Afternoon, Heather.

Speaker 16 (26:18):
Do you know you know when you were mentioning lollies
that you remembered as a kid. I remember lollies, and
I'm sure some of your listeners may, and it probably
shows my age. Called smokers. They were little pink lollies.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yes, and we used to low aniseed flavor.

Speaker 16 (26:34):
Uh well, no, they were more sweet than aniseed, don't
they reckon?

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah, I reckon they were aniseed nine nineteen about I
reckon they were hard out anisseed.

Speaker 16 (26:42):
Yeah, they were great.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Yeah. They's sort of like like I don't really know
how you said like that. They weren't that big gay.
They were like the size of any little dollies. Yeah, Okay.
Did you see that the Maori party is boycotting the Herald?

Speaker 16 (26:55):
Well, you know, a party that commands about one point
to three or one point five percent of the vote,
I would think would corner all the publicity than it
can possibly do. But their Herald two days ago ran
a full front page advertisement from Hobson's pledge talking about
the foreshot on seabed.

Speaker 7 (27:17):
Much of it is.

Speaker 16 (27:19):
Being challenged at the moment in the courts. So the
Maldi party because they ran because the Herald ran. What
you'd say, in a democracy, you should be able to
run an add they've decided, no, we're going to turn
our backs on their herald. They've already done that with
News Talk zeb. Anyway, this party is going to end
up not being able to talk to anyone.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, but doesn't matter because they are able to go
over the heads of all the media and talk to
social media and that's where their strength lies.

Speaker 16 (27:48):
Well, they haven't got a lot of strength out there
in the electorate other than the Maldy seats. So if
they can maintain their presence in the Maldi seats, good luck.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
And they're being reasonable as per usual, demanding a written
apology to in all publications and voice it on all
radio frequencies. As her. What are the politicians saying about
the energy crist Well, you know.

Speaker 16 (28:09):
It's interesting that it was led by Shane Jones of
course this week Regional Development, him issuing a warning to
the electricity generators saying if they didn't sort it out,
then the government would step in and do so. Well,
I'm not quite sure what the government would do. But
Nikola willis she followed up, she said inquiries were being made.

(28:31):
Simmian Brown, Well, he says the electricity generators, he met
with them this week and he left us saying that
we need to have assurances that we're going to see
a competitive market.

Speaker 17 (28:42):
Now.

Speaker 16 (28:43):
Winston Peters went as he's wont to do a step further,
essentially accusing the generators of anti competitive behavior. I'm not
quite sure what they expect the generators to do other
than I guess cut their profit. So he said they're
profiteering on the backs of people that have to pay
their power bills. The end of this should result, and

(29:07):
it won't in Labor coming to the table and saying, look,
we banned gas exploration, oil exploration. We should allow the
government and support it in lifting that pan, because you know,
these are areas that New Zealand should be exploring for.

(29:29):
But it was interesting and I went back to have
a look at when that band was announced, and I
remember it was announced without any consultation with the sector itself.
Meghan Woods and Jason durn simply came out standing on
the stage with them at the time, and I've got
to say, in fairness, looking rather uncomfortable. There was Jasinda

(29:50):
Dern taking the microphone, Meghan Wood standing looking satisfied off
to the side, and James Sure on the other side, and.

Speaker 7 (29:58):
In the back Joe with his.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Hand across his face.

Speaker 16 (30:06):
He still got up there and still was part of
that announcement.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Barry, you are right. The smokers lollies were sweeter than anisey.
They were in fact a musk flavor according to a
lot of textures. And you will be pleased to know that,
according to this text they've still got them in their
car permanently. They stock them at the local countdown all Worths.

Speaker 16 (30:26):
Oh goodness, I must go and buy some now. I
didn't think they are They still called smokers.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Big weekend ahead for Barry. Thank you, Barry, appreciate it.
We'll wrap the political week work was with you quarter
Pastics or thereabouts. Barry Soper, Senior political correspondent, putting the.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking breakfast, is.

Speaker 10 (30:44):
Your minister Syme and Browns with us?

Speaker 8 (30:45):
When will we know that? Alan Jee?

Speaker 18 (30:46):
Well, we've got a piece of work underway at the
moment around there, but there's some pretty key decisions that
need to be made.

Speaker 13 (30:51):
What about and I know what the.

Speaker 10 (30:52):
Power companies will say, especially the gent Taylors. When Onslow
was on the scene, they didn't see the need to
invest in any more capacity.

Speaker 13 (30:59):
Is that a fair argum or not?

Speaker 18 (31:00):
Or there was an absolutely fair argument at the time,
but we've taken that off the table. We've made it
very clear that we're not going to be building a
big mess of Onslow. But at the same time, we
need to see these guys investing.

Speaker 10 (31:11):
Why would they they're making money like this no tomorrow.

Speaker 18 (31:14):
Well, ultimately that's why we also need to make it
easy for other people to enter the market too, and
that's what Fasstrack's all about.

Speaker 10 (31:19):
Back Monday from six am the mic asking Breakfast with
the Rain drove of the last news talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
So it doesn't look like well, it seems that there
may be some dud medals out there, or maybe all
of the medals duds. We don't know, but there are
some questions around the quality of the medals that are
being handed out at the Olympics at the moment. Because
there's a young one who's a skateboarder from American Niger, Houston,
and he got himself the bronze medal in skateboarding, and he,
I mean like literally got it days ago, and he's

(31:45):
put up a picture on social media and the thing
looks like it was made in like nineteen seventy nine.
It's all chipped and degraded, and it genuinely does not
look like a brand new medal. So there are questions
around what on earth is going on here because there
are some rules around actually the men content and stuff
within the metals. Anyway, Ian Ferguson is going to be
with us in twenty minutes time. We'll see how his

(32:06):
medals are holding up all these years later. But also
what I really want to know from him is whether
he thinks the K four boys have actually earned their
spot like I do. He's more of an expert than me,
so that's why we got him and not just me
ranting on for three minutes about it. Here is the
argument for why the Anglicans should not have to pay
for the christ Church Cathedral rebuild, sent me by Stephen Heather.

(32:28):
The Anglicans wanted to replace the cathedral with something else,
but the government and the public force them to rebuild
the old cathedral. So that's fair, right. That's a bit
rough to be like Okay, they don't want it, and
then we're like, well halfway through it and we're like, okay,
maybe you've got to pay the sixty eighty five million
whatever it is. However, it shouldn't be us either, just
because it shouldn't be there. It shouldn't be us the taxpayer,

(32:49):
so somebody else is going to have to find the
money somewhere. Anyway, we'll have a chat to christ Church
City councilor tim scandret about it very shortly. But next up,
let's talk to pan Pack and find out what the
hell is going on with their mills as well. Now,
News Talks EB.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,
get the answers by the backs and give the analysis.
Heather Do to thee Alum Drive with One New Zealand
let's get connected a news talk as z B.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Afternoon. Will the issues with the country's power keep on coming?
Another mill is shuttered. This time it's Pan Packs pulp
mill near Napier, which has stopped production until power prices
fall again. It says the energy crisis has become so
bad now, but it's actually cheaper to stop working rather
than produce at a loss. Pan PAC's managing director is
Tony Clifford.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Hay Tony, Hello, Heather, how long do.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
You expect you'll have to keep this production on Holt for?

Speaker 19 (33:54):
Oh, that's a very good question, you know. I just
want to emphasize it with pm PEP. We've still got
our forestry and lumber business running at one hundred percent,
but it's the energy intensive side of our business. So
it's making mechanical pulp that we've had to halt since Saturday.
Power prices went through the roof on Saturday, and we

(34:16):
just cannot generate profit when prices are as they are.
But how long, I've said to my staff there's a
couple of things that had to happen. Either it has
to rain a lot in the South Island in the
hydroc catchment areas, or we have to have the commercial
operation of the Tihara plant in Toppol come online, where

(34:38):
we have a power purchasing agreement with that company and
currently they are experiencing problems. And so yeah, we're at
the moment one hundred feet exposed to the also electricity market.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
What do you reckon? What's your outlook? I mean, Winston's
talking about being downing tools for two weeks. Are you
guys looking at a similar kind of.

Speaker 19 (34:55):
Period, It's at least two weeks. You know, we expecting
Tahar potentially can't come online until October, and you know
maybe in that time two months, yes, and then we're
talking here. The point I may deal with ministers in
our meeting on Wednesday that this is just not a

(35:16):
pen pack issue. This is all energy intensive and particularly
energy intensive trade exposed businesses, because there's absolutely no hope
that we can pass on escalating power prices through to
our customer, our international customer. We're competing against supplies from
all around the world and they just are not exposed

(35:37):
to these type of electricity prices. So the other message
I'm really trying to get people get through is that
this is not just a one year event. You know,
low hydro situations do happen every seven to ten years,
but we've been experiencing escalating electricity prices at the wholesale
level since twenty eighteen. And what we've got now is

(35:59):
a shortage of gas and a shortage of water, and
you know, recently shortage of wind and some and those
things that will come together to just give exceptionally high
spot prices, and yeah, so what we believe it is solvable.
This is as it said to people, this is not
a This is not like a transmission tower falling over

(36:19):
or someone digging up a gas line. Those are hard
engineering problems that have to be fixed. This is a
market design issue. The way the market works is that
the half hour spot price is set by the peak
supply price in any one half hour, and the assumption
for the market design has been that there is gas
and coal available for firming other options under normal conditions,

(36:44):
and that that gas supply has just been gradually getting
less and less, and that's been putting the price of
electricity up more and more. And you know, we've got
a probably you know that one of the solutions that
could be done temporarily is breaking that connection between the
cost of gas and the cost of electricity because there
is no ongoing shortage of electricity while it is an

(37:06):
ongoing shortage of gas.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
All right, listen, Tony, is there any possibility that you
may in fact shut down some of your production permanently?

Speaker 19 (37:16):
I would, I would hope not. That's not on my radar.

Speaker 4 (37:21):
We believe do you believe that the.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Gent tailors are price gouging or profitearing.

Speaker 19 (37:27):
I don't beat up on the generators. The generators are
operating their business under the set of rules that are
given to them, and that's to maximize this year holding
for their for their maximizing profit for their yearholders. To
the best of my knowledge, in the last ten years,
has only been one generator who've got a bit of
a slap on the risk for not for wasting water

(37:49):
when it could have been going into generation. But for
the most part that hasn't been able to be proven. Again,
you know, the market design doesn't encourage lots of general
to be brought onto the market, that it does encourage
a degree of scarcity, and that that again that has
to be reviewed. And the other problem is, you know

(38:11):
everyone knows that gestation period to build a power station
in New Zealand is measured in years, not months. And
so you know, we're not going to fix this problem overnight.
It's the short term solution. I believe we have to
break this connection between the gas price and electricity price.
The long term solution is, you know, we need more generation.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yeah, totally listen, Tony. Thank you very much for your
time and best of luck dealing with this it's Tony Clifford,
pan PAC's managing.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Director Heather do for see Ellen.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
So it looks like the christ Church Cathedral will be mothballed.
The government's decided it's not going to give the rebuild
any more money. They wanted another sixty million bucks from
the government. This means that they do not have enough
money to keep going with the rebuild. Christ Church City
councilor Tim Scandret is with us now, hate Tim, thank
you have you? Yeah, very well, thank you. See the
Council's put money on hold as well.

Speaker 14 (38:55):
Laye, Well, we've we agreed some time ago to give
ten million, so we did three and now we've got seven.
And so they have fulfilled all the obligations under that agreement.
And so that's that's as far as we'll even agreed,
as far as I'm aware.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Okay, what's the fix? I mean, they've got to find
eighty five million bucks. Where they going to get it from?

Speaker 14 (39:20):
Well, if you kind of go bagger into the Church
of England. It's a global organization, isn't it. Yeah, I
know that, you know in society now we live in
it now. But I think it took sixty years to
build it. In the first place, so you know, they
might have the time up their sleeve.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
I agree with you. But they didn't want to have
to rebuild this thing in the first place, right they
were forced to do.

Speaker 14 (39:40):
It, Yeah, exactly, And yeah that was totally in their
kind of fear. And you know, they were unhappy about that.
But then you could argue that half of them weren't.
But maybe that that half that weren't unhappy about rebuilding
it should put their hands in their pockets and find
a bit more.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
I mean, it seems to me they're gonna have to
crowdfund this one. Put up a give a little page
or something.

Speaker 14 (40:01):
Well, yeah, good luck.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
I mean, could they actually sell something to fund it?
I mean, if they didn't really want to have to
rebuild it, could they just sell it?

Speaker 14 (40:11):
Well, they've got property around the place, and you know,
maybe there's a deal deer, and if they came to
us with some options, if it's in the best interest
of the rate pass, maybe there could be a deal
deal with some of the areas I've got. But that's
you know that that hasn't happened yet. I think they
just really found out that the government said no. So
I'm sure that they're having a few discussions around the
table the.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Senate, Tim, thank you very much, really appreciated. Tim Scandret,
who is a christ You City councilor yeah, maybe that
metal was dropped in the seane probably listen and by
the way, we are going to talk to Ian Ferguson
about that. Next more bad news on the electricity. So
this is going to hit you potentially. This is where
it starts getting a bit curly for us. There's one
thing to be talking about meals shutting down and ask going, ah,

(40:52):
it's other people's jobs, don't care? What about when it's
coming at Yeah, we're being warned about possible power cuts
in the spring. Transpower right now is starting to prepare
what they call an official conservation campaign, so you know,
little South Africa styles a little bit, you know, you know,
stop using the electricity at hard times. It says, without action,
there would be an unacceptably high risk of both energy

(41:14):
shortages and capacity shortfall, which just basically means power cuts
during peak times. The risk that they've identified is that
at the moment we are running the hell out of
our gas and coal turbines. They are running so hard
right now, and because they're running so hard it means
that we're at increased risk of a piece of equipment failing.
And if a piece of equipment fails, we're in trouble.

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Speaker 1 (42:30):
Togever do for Cea Ellens Heather.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Maybe we could have some carless days for the electric
bikes like we did back Maybe we need to do it.
Maybe we could have like drier less days, you know,
or maybe like I don't know, dishwasherless days. So we could,
you know, not have a power crisis. I don't know.
It's all kinds of things we can do. Back to
the nineteen seventies, we go nineteen past five. Now, apparently
the medals at this year's Olympics aren't that flash because

(42:56):
a skateboarder from the US has criticized the quality of
his bronze metal. It started to to chip only a
week after he wanted. It's already losing the bronze color.
Former canoeist and Olympian Ian Ferguson.

Speaker 4 (43:06):
Is with us.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Hey, Ian, Hi, here the hell are you?

Speaker 2 (43:09):
I'm well, thank you? That's not on, is it? If
you go and win yourself a bronze that should stay
in good nick for years?

Speaker 4 (43:15):
No, I just heard about this.

Speaker 6 (43:16):
Mine, mine's forty years old my ones, and they're all
just exactly the same as the day they made, but
you know they are made differently. They've solid silver gold
plated with a decent coating of gold on them. Yeah,
so that's yeah, it's terrible. And it was I was
looking at them thinking that they look fantastic with a

(43:37):
bit of the Eiffel Tower on there. But now I'm
starting to wonder where they get that bit of metal
off the Eiffel Tar that they didn't undo the bolts
at the bottom, did they.

Speaker 20 (43:48):
Tower?

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Do you reckon? We exported some of the Northland boys
to help them out with the medals. Yeah, I mean,
you know what is possible as well as he did
say that he wore it over the weekend and his
mates wore it over the weekend. And young people nowadays
can party quite hard. A they might have partied the
bronze off.

Speaker 14 (44:04):
Oh yeah, yeah they possibly did.

Speaker 6 (44:06):
Don't know what alcohol they're spilling all over it.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
It's even just the whole judging by what's going on
with the hockey team. Hey, I have a question for you.
Do you think that the K four boys have redeemed
themselves and proved that in fact, the C two stunt
was worth it.

Speaker 6 (44:24):
Yeah, I do actually, because it wasn't the stunt it was.
It was you know, it was to us it seemed
like it and it was very, very embarrassing. But they
they obviously knew they had a you know, they were
a good team, which they show finally showed in the end,

(44:44):
but they wanted to get there, and yeah, it's it
was the wrong way to do it. I got it, mate,
But now that it's done, I think we just forget
it and go right. We've got a good team coming
on because they're all young, and yeah, they've got to
put up without a embarrassing race they had to do
and let them go and go on from there.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
You know.

Speaker 6 (45:06):
It's a matter of getting them interested in the Olympics
and getting that drive from them. And yeah, I think
this has taught them a lesson and they'll they'll come
out strong before it.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Yeah, totally, and I totally agree with you. Thank you
so much, mate, Enjoy your weekend. That's Ian Ferguson, former
canoeist and olympian Banks. He's done another mural. This is
the fourth fourth one that Bank ban because he hasn't
been doing a little bit for a while. All of
a sudden he's doing four animals, fourth in four days.
It's already been licked though, isn't it? Because he did
a wolf howling towards the sky and didn't think it through,

(45:38):
did he. He did it on a satellite dish on
top of a building in southeast London and within hours
someone nicked the satellite dish and I am I am
not joking. There are photographs online of the guy knicking
the dish, like literally you can go and look at
the guy and knicking the Banksy, which is like I
would have nicked it too, because that would be very
very expensive. Now he's got he's onto something very valuable.

(46:02):
He's gone to an extreme length. He's got himself a
balaclav It looks like properly like a thief. So anyway,
god on him, Banksy next time. Make sure it is
like properly bolted down, like just part of the part
of the building, maybe not even bolted down. Four twenty three.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's hither duper clan
drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and used dogs.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
That'd be either if you've ever owned a French car.
You'll understand what's wrong with those medals. That is fair,
That is fair. My brother owns a French car right now.
And because jeep is now run by the French, and
let's just say it's not the old quality of the jeep.
Is it just falling apart? Twenty five past five now
Palastal City Council has just done me a mass of favor.
They won't think that, but they have. They've voted to

(46:44):
keep the Maori ward, but then they've called in the
lawyers to find out what will happen if they just
ignore the law and don't hold the referendum on it.
And obviously it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure
out why they've done this, right, you can probably safely
assume it's because they want the Maori ward. But they
know that if they take it to a referendum, the
people of Parmeston North may well vote against it and

(47:06):
then the council will have to give up their Maori ward.
So no referendum they want. Right, they're wasting their money
on the lawyers obviously because it's the law, and the
law says they have to go to a referendum and
give the people a say, And what's going to happen
here is the lawyers are just going to take their
money and say, nah, you got to do the referendums anyway.
Good like wasting the people's money. But by doing this,

(47:27):
Palmeston North has done me a mass of favor because
they've proved the point that I have been trying to
make for ages, which is that this debate is actually
about democracy. If the people of Parmeston North want a
Maori Maori ward, then let them vote for it. But
if the people of Parmeston North don't want a Marori woard,
then the war then the council cannot and should not
force it on them by denying them the right to

(47:48):
vote on it. Right, most local body voters don't seem
to want this, just judging by past votes on it.
They seem to throw it out every single time. And
my problem, and look to be fair, it's not just
my problem, plenty of other people's problem as well. Is
Nanaimahuta took that referendum say away from local body voters.
She explicitly removed the right to actually say no in
a referendum. She took the democracy away. She forced on

(48:10):
people something that they may not want, and, judging by history,
something they probably don't want because apparently democracy just doesn't
work for her anymore. So thank you to Parmeston or
City Council for so transparently trying to circumvent that democracy
and the law, because they have just become the example
of exactly the thing that we said was wrong with

(48:31):
Nanaia's marty Ward system.

Speaker 13 (48:32):
So thank you, Heather duper cl Okay, So the.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Situation with the art tete, I'm still if Kiwi Railer's listening,
I'm just still nothing in the mbox yep, still waiting.
Have been waiting for a little while, so we'll just
keep waiting.

Speaker 14 (48:49):
I have been.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Someone has reached out to tell us to try to
explain a little bit of what sime and Brown said
last night. And Simi and Brown said, maybe what happened
with the vessel is that they entered the coursing correctly.
Now I immediately assumed that that meant that they had
like input the coordinates into the computer incorrectly. That's not
what happened. What they mean is the course in order
to birth was entered incorrectly, like like kind of like

(49:12):
if you park and your driveway is the course to
park and you basically they drove it into the What
it means is they drove the boat into the into
the port, so they entered the course incorrectly.

Speaker 5 (49:24):
Ah, that explains how the boat ended up in the port.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Header. Yeah, it does explain that they drove it in. Yes,
quite simple. The second thing is that we so we've
sent Cheryl an email and we said, Cheryl can you
can you just come back to us on whether you
people stand by the fact that there was wind high
gusts were still waiting, so we're not sure, but Troy
the lawyers with us next on that.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
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Speaker 8 (49:53):
The double shade of Western.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
There's a party downtown. Everybody had bindt but.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
We have got the sports had all standing by and
then Wayne Brown after six o'clock. Wayne Brown's fund finally
coming from for Auckland Transport. He wants to take all
the power away from them, make them more accountable, and
I would too because I do. I need to remind
you how stink Auckland Transport are at the jobs. It's
a surprise because when we took the transport stuff in
Auckland away from the politicians and gave it to the experts,

(50:26):
I think we were like few at least these people
know what they're doing, and yet they don't because they
go build a raised pedestrian crossing in the Three Kings
and then they rip it out and then they reinstate
the road and we're six hundred thousand dollars worse off
for that because they did that anyway, So he's quite
right to come for them. We'll have a chat to
him after six stand by twenty three away.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
From hither Duplessy out.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
So keep Rail is still not saying exactly why the
outer teddy crashed into a drawbridge in Wellington Harbor yesterday.
They tried to blame the wind and then we found
out there was absolutely no wind in the city at
the time. So what is that Troy stayed is a
maritime law acting for some of the crew on board
and with us hate Troy.

Speaker 21 (51:03):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (51:04):
I'm very well, thank you. So what happened this time?

Speaker 21 (51:07):
So well, I mean that's it's been a little over
twenty four hours, so we've only just ourselves really gotten
engaged with the matter. It's it's I know that's an
answer you guys hate to hear, but it is. It's
under an active investigation. So we're still trying to have
you not spoken about correct as well. I've spoken to
one of them.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Is it the one who was steering the boat?

Speaker 21 (51:30):
He was involved in the in the deck? Absolute?

Speaker 2 (51:33):
What did he say? Happened?

Speaker 21 (51:36):
Just a series of factors with the wind being a
driver seems to be what when the likely one? But
I mean, are you in Wellington?

Speaker 17 (51:47):
I'm not in Wellington, but looking at see looking at
the met Service for yesterday, it looks like gusts of
up to seventy two kph about three pm Yesterday's.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Where is that?

Speaker 20 (52:04):
Kelburn?

Speaker 2 (52:05):
I believe Kelburn okay, because we've had like, honestly, Troy yesterday,
we had texts from everybody, including speaking to a city council.
He was like, no, there's no wind out there, eight
miles per hour like nothing. It was still the harbor
was glassy. Where does Surely if there's a wind that's
big enough, like a gust that's big enough to push

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a ship into a drawbridge, it's got to be a
biggish one.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
Doesn't it.

Speaker 21 (52:30):
Yeah, yeah, I mean again, that's that's the fact that
we're investigating. I would just say, you know, a vessel
of that size, if it does get hit by a
by wind, you know, alongside broadside, that the effect of
that will be increased significantly.

Speaker 4 (52:48):
Okay's with a sail.

Speaker 21 (52:49):
But I'd just also like to point out, you know,
it's a relief that no one was injured. I understand
the passengers were able to leave the vessel about an
hour after the event, So it's that's a great relation
to everyone involved that it wasn't as bad as perhaps
it may have otherwise have been.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
So Troy, how are the crew feeling about this, because, yeah,
their reputations don't don't feel awesome at the moment.

Speaker 21 (53:18):
Yeah, And you know, obviously we're acting for the crew,
so their their interests are first and foremost in our minds.
There are concerns speaking with the crew, there are concerns
just generally about how how things have gone over the
last couple of months.

Speaker 14 (53:36):
I mean, it's you know, I.

Speaker 21 (53:38):
Will allow you to to draw whatever inferences you like
from that, but we're just advocate for the interests of
the crew.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Was the same crew who were on board when they
drove it into the beach.

Speaker 21 (53:51):
I'm still getting getting a full crew list there, but
I believe not.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Oh so the guy that you spoke to about this
incident was on it last time, I don't believe.

Speaker 8 (54:03):
So.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Okay, well, thank god, Although on the that's on on
the bad side, it does mean that we have lots
of crew who are doing this rather.

Speaker 13 (54:10):
Than just a few.

Speaker 21 (54:12):
Well, as I said, the investigations ongoing, so it's it's
a little soon for us to jump to conclusions as
to crewe involvement in the event. But hopefully, you know,
as the investigation got carries on and more facts come
to light, we'll.

Speaker 13 (54:30):
Get into the bottleroy.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Obviously crew were involved, right, the boat was under manual steering, right.

Speaker 4 (54:36):
That that is true.

Speaker 21 (54:38):
You know, obviously at that point there was a hand
steering issue.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
So it's an entirely scenario that whoever was holding on
to it, he was steering, just drove it into the drawbadge.

Speaker 21 (54:50):
Again, it's too too soon to come to that conclusion,
but I suspect that there are a number of external
factors of player as well, like which.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Don't say wind, what else weather? Oh, stop it, okay, Troy,
that breeze all right, Troy, thank you very much, Troy
stayed maritime lawyer. There wasn't any wind, but we thought
there was because it's Wellington, right, so we bought that
for a minute. Eighteen away from six.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
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Speaker 21 (55:29):
And there it is Michael Wilkinson Erica Dawson crossed the line.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
It's another medal.

Speaker 17 (55:35):
The New Zealand's off mar Saint at Paris twenty twenty four.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
The black boat keeping its nose in front of Germany.

Speaker 16 (55:42):
They can see the finish line.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
It is gold for New Zealand.

Speaker 5 (55:48):
Gold at Lease Andrews intense insightsive invincible.

Speaker 16 (55:54):
Max Brown and Grant Clancy. They have finished last.

Speaker 10 (55:58):
They were so far behind the action I lost its
complete side of.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Them on the sports title. That's this even who got
Nicky steyras sports journalists and Jim k sports journalists as well?
How are you two, Nikki? Do you reckon? The canoe
boys have redeemed themselves because they actually didn't do too
badly in the kayaking.

Speaker 11 (56:17):
Well, look, I'm a fat believer and you play by
the roles, and they played by the rules, So you know,
I think that if anyone complains about it, then they
need to go back and say to you know, the
canoe organizing body, well, don't allow these loopholes. I think
what they did was they did vindicate themselves. I mean, yes,
they got last in the final, but they made an

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a final and what they were two seconds of the pace,
So I think they did vindicate themselves. But I can
sort of understand why people are a little bit upset
about it, particularly since they obviously targeted that cape or
group and you know, I k one guy and this
is out who potentially could have gone to the Olympics
and done well. So yeah, that's a tricky one.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
Yeah, m what do you reckon of that?

Speaker 20 (57:01):
No, it doesn't sit very well for me. I don't
think it's really TV way. If if there's such a thing,
you know, it's up there with Eric the Eel, it
is the eagle. I think they I think they embarrassed.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
Themselves on these two examples.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
You know, these two examples that you've cited are people
who are actually doing crappily as they chosen one.

Speaker 20 (57:22):
Right, actually did Okay, look I don't blame the athlete.
I blame Canoe New Zealand. I think they deliberately exploited
the loophole on the Rulls to get an extra boat
to the Olympics. And it just doesn't sit very well either.
He came out, you know, opinion, I'm giving it, I'm right,

(57:46):
or you're right. I'm just giving back.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
We're loving your opinion. But then we're laughing at your opinion.

Speaker 20 (57:50):
But that's okay, laugh at my opinion too, because I
laughed at yours.

Speaker 11 (57:54):
I'll go I'll go live in Australia because that's how
the Australians would do it.

Speaker 20 (57:58):
That's right, an underarm to New Zealander. I don't think
that's the way that we shim sport.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
This is why we need to harden up. I mean,
we're always talking about how we play fair and stuff
and we don't sledge and all that kind of nonsense.
But you've got to do what it takes to win.
And if that's what it takes, they do it.

Speaker 20 (58:20):
Are very different things. I think you're conflating two things
to come up with one. Okay, to an organization that
a national body who deliberately set out to.

Speaker 14 (58:30):
Exploit a loophole and the rules.

Speaker 20 (58:32):
I think when you're when you're doing whatever, you play
as hard as you can to win. Absolutely, But I
don't think it's a good look for a national body
to do what they did.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Okay, alrighty, hey listen Nikki on how we're going to
perceive these Olympics. Right, They've had quite a few problems.
You've got the model metals degrading. You've got the overcrowded village,
the lack of air conditioning, the food poisoning making the
people swim and pooh rivers. Are we going to look
back at this and go there was a shambles or
are they all just a shambles and we forget about
that over time?

Speaker 11 (59:01):
Look, I think they're all the shambles. I think you've
got to remember you've got, you know, over ten thousand athletes.
They're all crammed in a village, a lot of them
where it's basically a scientific Petrie dish. You know you're
going to catch things, you're going to get food poisoning,
and you're putting out sixty thousand meals each day. What
I do have a problem with is won the medals,

(59:23):
because that is your everlasting treasure from something you worked
incredibly hard for, and I think it's not acceptable that
they are deteriorating. And the other thing is the saying, well,
you know, it's been illegal to simon that thing for
over one hundred years, so it was never really a
good look to let them in there. Of course, we
know why they did it, because you know, it's all

(59:45):
about optics and you want them, you know, you want
to be showing powers to the world, and that was
the way to do that. Unfortunately they did it at
the peril of the athletes, which I don't really agree with.
But on the whole, I don't think we will look
back at it as the shambles.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
Know, Yeah, I want your take on it. We'll get
it very shortly fourteen away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
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Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Back with the Huddle, Jim Kay's and Nicky Styrus, Right, Jim,
what do you reckon? Are these Olympics particularly as shambles
or just the standard level of shambles?

Speaker 20 (01:00:17):
Yeah, I think you're a standard level. I did agree
with most of what Nicky said there, you know, like, yeah,
the river saying it is disgusting and I wouldn't want
to swimming it and it looked revolting as they every
time they dived in. But you know, people get sick
when there's ten thousand of them, and people complain about beds.
We all complain about a bed when you go to
hotel room in general. Though, I've really enjoyed it. I've

(01:00:38):
you know, watching it on Telly, the smallest port on Sky.
It's just been it's been awesome, I think, and you know,
wonderful to see the Kiwi athletes and I think a
city like Paris on display like that, you know, when
you have the trifle and they're cycling down the chans
of these and you think wow, you know, and through
the entrance and these sorts of things. I think it's fantastic.

(01:00:59):
I still all believe four cities should host the Olympics
on a rotational basis and then we just get on
with it, you know, keep it to just for cities,
and then you don't have all some of the some
of these problems that disappear because they'd have the infrastructure,
that have the knowledge, they'd have all those sorts of things.
So that's what I'd love to see. Imagine if it
was Paris and Athens and pick to other places would

(01:01:21):
be awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
I mean, it's not a bad idea, is it, Nikki,
Because then you wouldn't have to relearn all the lessons
every single link in time.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:01:27):
The only problem with that is the cough to run
it or the amount of money that you actually gained
from it. So you might find that some of the
politics might get.

Speaker 21 (01:01:36):
Involved in that and that decision and be like, but
it do it?

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
We want the tourists, you know.

Speaker 11 (01:01:41):
So yeah, that might be a little bit simplistic, but
I do and cre what a spectacle that would be.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Yeah, totally. Now, Jim, have you got to the bottom
of yourself of whether this Algerian boxer should be boxing
against women or not?

Speaker 20 (01:01:52):
She's a woman, Yeah, but she's apparently well yeah, but
so I've done a lot of reading on it today.
She's a woman, she was born a girl, grub to
be a woman. Yes, she's got some different genetics. But
if we look at athletics, and if you if you
look at athletics in a really simple way, lots of

(01:02:13):
people have different genetics. There are tall basketballers, there are
fast sprinters.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
There that's true.

Speaker 20 (01:02:19):
That's true, but she has a genetic difference.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
In your reading gym. Have you got to the bottom
of weather an X and a Y chromosome for a
woman therefore makes her intersex.

Speaker 20 (01:02:35):
Look I think doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
Nikki doesn't because that's what.

Speaker 20 (01:02:37):
I thought it was.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
Nik is that what's up here.

Speaker 20 (01:02:42):
Transit.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
But the IOC can be well, that's two different things.
IOC can shut up on that. In the minut I
want to hear what Nick is?

Speaker 13 (01:02:47):
You know?

Speaker 21 (01:02:48):
What?

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
Do you know? What I know?

Speaker 11 (01:02:49):
I strip it back even further than that, because basically
it's not about these boxes. What it's about is the
fact that there's not enough facts around it, and it's
not enough transfer, and there's not enough information, and there's
not enough clear definitive rule. If that was all clear
and transparent, then you wouldn't be in this mess. The
reason that the problem is is because they don't have

(01:03:11):
the same test, they don't have the same organization deciding
watch tests. They're not publishing those tests. So therefore, you know,
there's a whole lot of great area that no one
knows what's going on. I feel sorry for the boxes
because one minute they're told they can't the next minute
they're in and then you find out some Russian dude
is in charge of the boxing and that's why they
got eliminated there. And what they need to do is

(01:03:33):
set out a clear set of rules that's transparent to everybody,
and everything is published, so then everybody knows where they stand.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Okay, right, I think we've got to the bottom of it.
Maybe guys, both of you, thank you so much, go
and enjoy the all Blacks this weekend, enjoy the last
of the Olympics. I really appreciate your time, Nicky Styrus
and Jim k sports journalists, and I'm gonna just let's
get back to this because I think Nicky's just touched
on something really important there seven away from six on your.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
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Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
Be Okay, what's the time? Five away from six? So
I think Nicky was onto something here. Okay, if you
read about this there is well, let's cut to the chase. Okay.
So DSD is like a syndrome, a sex difference like
some people have some sex differences. Okay, so if you

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have an X and Y chromosome and you're not a man,
what you could also be is an intersex person. Now intersex,
like that's what we back in the old days would
have used the term hermaphrodite for, but you don't use
it anymore. And it's the I in lgbtqia. Plus that's
intersex right there. So X Y chromosome means intersex. What
that means is the if this is true and we

(01:04:50):
don't know, this is just what the boxing boys say.
If she does have an X and Y chromosome, she
is not transgender because she's not a man pretending to
be a woman. She's also not a man, but she's
also not strictly a woman. She is intersex identifying as
a woman. Now then we raise the question of okay,

(01:05:11):
what should the rules around this be. How do we
feel like this is caster Semenya all over again? Right,
because castera Semenya is apparently intersex, So now we get
we raise the question should intersex people compete against women
or should they compete against men? So there's a question
that the IOC may need to deal with in all

(01:05:32):
the sporting bodies. But now strip back even further. The
test that apparently says that she's got an X and
Y chromosome is coming from a bunch of dodgy guys
who have links to the Kremlin. So hmm, are we
sure about that? So did the IOC, goes No, we
don't believe that test. But did they do their own test?
No they didn't. So, as Nikki says, we're operating in
a gray zone of only having this allegation but the

(01:05:53):
IOC not disproving the allegation. Maybe she does have X
Y chromosomes. Maybe the IOC does its own test one
day and finds that, in fact, she's got double X
and shares a woman and all of this was just
a storm in a teacup. And then and then quite
apart from that, what are the rules around testing? Who
do they test? Should the IOC test like this? All
this is really a bureaucratic bungle going on right here.

Speaker 5 (01:06:16):
But the IO a lot more to it than just
punching people in the face.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
I wish it was just punching people in the face,
because that would be simple. The IOC is not covering
itself in glory here because they're just going la la
la la la la la la la. We don't want
to have to deal with it. And the IBA is
not covering itself in glory because they're mates with Putin
and nobody likes that. Wayne Brown's with us next NEWSTALGSB.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
What's up, what's down? What were the major calls and
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Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
Evening coming up in the next hour. It turns out
Carmela's pick for VP is an old mate of chime Is.
We'll find out more with Peter Lewis shortly Barry Soper
on the Week that was and Gavin Grays with us
out of the UK at seven past six. Now Auckland's
mayor has launched his biggest move on Auckland Transport yet
he wants to bring them back under council control. AT
was made independent from the council years ago to try

(01:07:16):
to take the politics out of transport, but now the
public just loads the agency, possibly even more. Let's talk
to Wayne Brain, Wayne Brown High, Wayne, Yeah, how'd the
boss of AT take this?

Speaker 21 (01:07:29):
The chairs not a bit grumpy with me, but he'll
lean deliver that. Why is the chair grumpy, Well, it's
us asking that. I think they feel that I'm kind
of attacking them, but I'm not. Really. What I'm doing
is defending Auckland. Yeah, I'm here for the right players

(01:07:49):
of Auckland, then to fix Orckland. That's what drives me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
Yeh, Look is this simple? I mean, is this just
a case of you just need your counsel to agree
at comes back under the politician's control or is it
more complicated than that?

Speaker 21 (01:08:01):
Well, even just getting my councils agree with talk about
of work. But they've all agreed that the CEOs. I
did see amongst the five things I stood for, stop
wasting money. But number two is get back control of
the CEOs because the only control we have is selecting
board numbers and I'm only twenties of the votes for
that and that just isn't enough control at all. And

(01:08:22):
I'm sick of being blamed for things I don't control.
And it's not just at of course that the mean
there's been a few embarrassments from Iquy Perucu, and from
Tara Taki, and from not so much from all we've
solved water care, and we've got ports of work into
stop being and not for profit and actually make some money.
So those ones are kind of solved, but the other

(01:08:42):
two needs something or other. We can as a council
get back more control of a of Ekey, Pernuga and
Tartaki than we have and so get going with that anyhow,
And the chairs of those ones are not opposed to
at has had a twelve years of complete independence, to

(01:09:03):
the point of just almost we're a nuisance rather than
the owner and listening, but not as much as I'd like.
But they were set up by Rodney id and Stephen Jewish,
who wanted to say that they didn't like the idea
of elected officials having any to do with making policies

(01:09:24):
about transport. The public think that we're in charge and
expect that we're in charge. And you know, I've built roads,
owned roads, bought roads, and sold roads, and designed roads,
so I know a lot about it. Now I'm annoyed
to find that the board don't know as much about
that sort of stuff, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
I mean, I can't blame Stephen Joyce and those guys
for going down this path, because you would think that
the experts would actually be half decent to their jobs.
And this has been the surprise of this experiment. Isn't
it that the experts are so bad at the job.

Speaker 21 (01:09:57):
It doesn't surprise me at all. They swallowed that school
aid from the institutive directors are having nice boards of
balanced racial and gender neutrality and all its stuff, and
most event them being accounts and lawyers. Somehow they helps.
I had to step in to fix Vector because they
did that transper, because they did that Aughan Hospital. Because

(01:10:18):
they did that. It doesn't work. You need to have
people who understand the business first and foremost.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
Now I mean, do you reckon though it will necessarily
improve things, because for example, if you were comparing ourselves
with Wellington, by ourselves, I mean Auckland. In Wellington, the
transport there is controlled by the politicians, is still pretty rubbish.

Speaker 21 (01:10:39):
I shouldn't be compared to Willing because mayor of Wellington
is the mayor of a suburb of Wellington, and there
are several mayors in Wellington, and there's regional councils and
there's all sorts of shambles. Auckland is completely different. Is
it's a regional government really and I'm restoring the manner

(01:11:00):
of the mayoralties that was lost by the two predecessors.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
No, not fear enough. I didn't get to the bottom
of it. So is it a simple decision for counsel
to make rebringing Auckland transport back under your control? Or
do you need the government's help?

Speaker 21 (01:11:13):
Oh? I need the government's help with this. And do
they have to legislate, Yes, but that's not an an
awful amount. They're going to have to legislate for quite
a lot of things that we've got untangled.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
You've had a fight with Simeon Brown. Is he going
to want to help you?

Speaker 21 (01:11:27):
Well, I've had a fight with sim so I mean
I get I'm pretty good. Where did you think we
had a fight?

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Oh my gosh, come on the way you've been having
fights about about the bus linker of all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 21 (01:11:36):
None at all. Simeon and I work very well together.
That's a beat up from the press.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
Did you not pack a tantrum about losing the regional fuel.

Speaker 21 (01:11:44):
Tax I didn't pack a tantrum. I simply pointed out
that that's their right to do that, but it leaves
a sort of money to do things.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
So we'll just do this, okay, So I'll take you
at your words. So Simeon's going to help you on
this one.

Speaker 21 (01:11:57):
I'm sure you will. You know, absolutely, he's very much
in support of this. I'm sure. The other thing is
that Auckland changed the government. You know, if Aukland had
voted like the rest of New Zealand, we have a
Lober government. But Auckland didn't. Auckland voted for National and
so they've got to keep looking after aucan we looked
after them. That's a good relationship. I've got a good relationships.

(01:12:18):
I mean, I've got a very good relationship with Bishop
and with the Prime Minister. So no, no, they're on here.
We're going to fight.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
Good luck of being able to do this. I think
we'll want to see you when score some points against
Auckland Transport. That's Wayne Brown, Auckland's mayor. Barrysope is going
to be Thus shortly we'll cover off the week that
was contrary facts, alternative facts on the wind yesterday when
the inter Islander was coming into birth here that I
was driving a double decker bus on the Wellington Motorway

(01:12:48):
past the Ferry terminal yesterday around two to three, it
was very gusty and coming more north than usual. So
as from Redge, thank you, reg So maybe it was
absolutely still everywhere and just just right at that spot
where that theory was just going hard. I've got a
darline update for you, and you're going to want to

(01:13:08):
hear this. Thirteen past six, crunching.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
The numbers and getting the results. It's headed duplicy Ellen
with the Business hours thanks to my HR, the HR
platform for SME on news talksb.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
All right, don't worry. I'm going to give you that
darline update. We've got to get through politics of the
week though, So Barry Soper, senior political cook, let me
try this in so wrapping the political week that was
our senior political correspondent, Barry Sober. Welcome back, Barry, Hello again.
Have that Barry. This energy crisis is really quite serious.
I can't see any way that we're going to get
out of this in a in a quick way.

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
No.

Speaker 16 (01:13:42):
Unfortunately, you know, you've got hundreds of people waiting to
see if they're going to have a job. But next week,
maybe it really is a big issue. And the politicians,
even though they make a lot of noise, they do
have a lot of power when it comes to Gen
Tayler's in this country. I mean there's the electricity retailers essentially,

(01:14:06):
and Simmy and Brown had the four big ones into
his office this week talk to them about it. Nikola
Willis has made very disparaging remarks about the Gen Taylor's
in this country. Shane Jones and Winston Peters have gone
even further. Winston Peters says their profitearing well. The fact
is that the major Gen Taylor's in this country government,

(01:14:29):
the majority a government owned so well well, the government
can talk to them with much more authority than it
could talk to, for example, to the banks.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
M Barry, you will never have a majority shareholder going
to them and saying.

Speaker 16 (01:14:45):
Prices can you make?

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
Can you imagine what that would do to the like?
Imagine what that would do to the forty nine percent
of investors, the minority investors like me and you and
everybody else who's got shares. It's too risky that.

Speaker 16 (01:15:01):
The alternative here there is that you know, you've got
the lights going out around the country, people paying massive
power bills, and many many people losing their jobs. That's
the alternative, and sometimes you have to take a hit
it's not to justify risk.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
That the investment risk that you would create as a government,
you basically turn us into a crazy third world banana republic.

Speaker 7 (01:15:25):
Well we're going to become that if we.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
We have got regulatory mechanisms available to the government to
actually deal with this in a proper way. That's the
first thing. The second thing is, do not get sucked
berry into believing the gent tailors. Yes, do not get
sucked into believing the gent tailors are the biggest problem
with the energy crisis. It is asking them to drop
their prices.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
Is only the weather.

Speaker 16 (01:15:49):
The weather is a major issue.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
And shortage of gas is the problem.

Speaker 7 (01:15:53):
Well, yes, I know.

Speaker 16 (01:15:54):
I mean if you want to talk politically, of course, it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
Is not politically literally that is the problem.

Speaker 16 (01:16:00):
Hang on, it's politically as well, because when you look
at the politics of this, you say, well, no, hang on,
it was the Labor One of the first actions of
the Labor led government was to stop oil and gas
exploration in this country. Now, what they have to do,
the Labor Party, that is, is, if we're talking politics,
come to the table and say that, look, we will

(01:16:23):
they need to negotiate that and say right, we're prepared
to allow oil and gas exploration again in this country.
And what that does is send an indication to anyone
that may be holding back from investing here again.

Speaker 13 (01:16:43):
Go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
Guess all I'm trying to say to you is that
Nicola Willis and Shane Jones and all of these guys
and Winston can go as hard as they like on
the gent tailors, but they will only be moving the
dial a little bit when you need more gas in
the camps.

Speaker 16 (01:16:54):
I'm talking about simply his power. They have more power
than they have over there tricity gent tailors than they do,
for example, over the Bank Party, well over the banks,
and they've certainly got no power Labour Party.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
Nobody's got any power over the Labor Party otherwise would
sort them out. Hey, So John Key, we start the
week with John Key telling us all to turn down
the temperature on the race relations, and then we have
one of the wildest weeks in race relations in a while.
That didn't work, did it.

Speaker 16 (01:17:21):
It didn't work at all. It was quite the opposite.
And you've got to say it wasn't necessarily the government's fault.
It was those in Parliament. Although you could point the
finger as you have done Philly Squeally at Paul Goldsmith,
the Minister of Arts and Culture, for changing Maori signage

(01:17:42):
in a letter that you sent to an Australian minister.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
That's small. The Maori Party are worse.

Speaker 16 (01:17:46):
Well okay, no, no, absolutely, well, I'm just starting with
that you're building out. It's the minor transgression, the major one,
and I'm absolutely astounded that the so called mainstream media
haven't really touched on it. And that's Debbie Nawa Packer's
speech to Parliament and the General Debate this week. It

(01:18:08):
was nothing short of disgraceful in my view, and the
words she used and in fact what she did really
was called Winston Peters a psychopath. She said the government
is being led by a Macavelian, which were led to
assume that's Chris Hepkins by us Luxeon's well cap fits, Yeah,

(01:18:33):
well Chris Luxon and then the psychopath Winston Peters, and
then a narcissist.

Speaker 7 (01:18:41):
What's his name?

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
When he's the narcissist?

Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
Well, and.

Speaker 13 (01:18:50):
Well don't you think don't you.

Speaker 16 (01:18:52):
Go down that track as well?

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
Now?

Speaker 16 (01:18:55):
But you've gone down a track that you shouldn't really
be going down because it's the the way she delivered it,
and saying that there was something big that she's not
telling us about is on the way. Well, whether it's
arm again or not, we're not quite sure, but I
guarantee it'll be something like the Foreshore and c Beard issue,
and that of course is being fought in the courts

(01:19:16):
at the moment, and that could again rare a taggly head.
But I'll tell you what, the last Foreshore and Seabe debate,
when legislation was passed under the Clerk government, was never
as nasty and vociferous as what's being said.

Speaker 7 (01:19:32):
At the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
Yeah, that's probably fair. Hey, Barry, thank you very much.
I appreciated very so for senior political correspondent rapping the
political week. That was all right, here's your Darlian update
coming at you're right after this break six twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:19:42):
Three, crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather
due for see Ellen with the business hours. Thanks to
my HR, the HR platform for SME on us talksb.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
Right, here's you dot for six twenty five. By the way,
here's your darling Tanner and update. Her husband's been in
court today, so completely unrelated to everything else. Spatter geez,
when it goes badly a it's like when it rains
at pause. So Christian is in court today because he
hasn't paid four three hundred and eighty five dollars worth
of parking fines. Now, just stop and appreciate how much

(01:20:18):
that is in parking fines. I mean, what's the worst
you get in parking fines at the moment? It's like
forty bucks?

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
Do you get more than that?

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
Do you get sixty bucks? Do you get eighty bucks?
I don't know as a hell of a lot of
whatever to add up to four three hundred and eighty
five dollars worth of parking fines. You didn't just forget
one bill, did you, mate, you forgot multiple You just
didn't pay them, did you? And you let them rack
up anyway. So he went in today and he tried
to defend himself in the Auckland District Court. He said
he doesn't understand why he should be held liable for

(01:20:47):
the parking fines because in fact, it was often sometimes
employees of his who were using the vehicles who were
racking up the parking fines in the first place. Of
why should he have Well, because he's the boss of
the company, I suppose, so he said it couldn't pay
the fines, so as a result, he was ordered to
do eighty hours worth of community service. Afterwards, obviously the
Heralds caught up with him and he spilled the tea.

(01:21:07):
He said he's very good at riding a bike, but
not so good at defending himself in court, which I
think what he means is he ended up having to
do the community service, so it can't have been very
good at defending himself. He said he's approaching bankruptcy, which
I suppose is the reason why he can't pay the
parking fines, and to that I have some sympathy for him.
That would be awful. Also, he has broken up with Darlene.

(01:21:29):
He says the situation that they find themselves in has
romantically made it impossible we still have dinner now. That
to me is surprising, because just the other day, what
was Darlene saying?

Speaker 8 (01:21:40):
I am married to my husband for better or for worse?

Speaker 1 (01:21:45):
Was she? Though? Had they?

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
How long ago did she say that? Laura the producer,
it was two weeks ago, because I was here. It
was before I went on my other holiday, my second holiday,
so two weeks ago she was saying out loud to
the cameras.

Speaker 21 (01:22:00):
I am married to my husband for better or for.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
And then two weeks later he's like, no, we're broken up.
So anyway, that's interesting, isn't it.

Speaker 22 (01:22:07):
Headline's next, whether it's macro micro or just plain economics,
it's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen
and my HR, the HR platform for SME used talks
it'd be.

Speaker 23 (01:22:27):
Nice, well me, you can seek in about ten minutes time.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
I might have been a little unfair on Christian hoff Nielsen,
the estranged husband of Darlene Tarnica's. It might not have
been that he racked up four four hundred dollars worth
of parking fines. Well, they did say parking finds, right,
so I'm assuming it's parking finds. However, there is always
the outside possibility that these do include bus lane finds,

(01:23:00):
which can also be incurred for parking in a bus lane.
And where the shop is located on the corner of
Kaiber Pass and Broadway in Newmarket, there is a bus lane,
so in which case, what I'm trying to say is
it might not have just been a series of eighty
dollar finds that he was racking up. But in fact,
one hundred and fifty dollar finds makes it easier to
get to four thy four hundred, doesn't it. And that's

(01:23:20):
where it ends, because then obviously you're still not paying
your fines, mate. And that's the problem here, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:24):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
I'll tell you what's going on in South Africa. This
is the controversy in South Africa at the moment. It's
about a South African beauty pageant contestant. She's had to
withdraw from the competition because her mum has been accused
of identity theft, which means and the reason she's therefore
had to withdraw from the competition is if the mum
has nicked identity theft, the mum is originally from Mozambique,

(01:23:46):
father's from somewhere like Nigeria. If the mum has in
fact nick the identity of a South African woman, what
that means is that the mother is not a South
African citizen. Therefore, she the contestant, is also not a
South African citizen and therefore not eligible to compete in
in this pageant. This has gripped South Africa for weeks.
The politicians and the celebrities and the talk shows have

(01:24:09):
been all into it, and it got to the point
where eventually the pageant, which is due to be held tomorrow,
had to eventually just cracked and got in touch with
the Home Affairs Ministry and asked the Home Affairs Ministry
to investigate, and it did, and it said this week
that the mother, yes, may in fact have stolen the
South African woman's identity, and so as the result, the
contestant then the next day pulled out and it's all over.

(01:24:29):
What happened they reckon this is the Home Affairs Ministry
is that the mum did in fact nick another woman's identity,
and it is possible that that woman may not have
realized up to the point where she went to register
her own child's birth and could not register it because
her identity had been nicked by somebody else. Not the
contestant's fault. They're keen to stress. But she was a

(01:24:51):
baby at the time. But nevertheless she is now bearing
the well, she's paying for it, isn't she. And by
the way, she's hot, so she might have won the
thing two A seven forgiven. Peter Lewis Asia Business correspondent
with US now Peter.

Speaker 8 (01:25:05):
Hi Loya.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
Forgiven you were just talking to Laura. We will forgive
you for that.

Speaker 6 (01:25:11):
I was.

Speaker 8 (01:25:11):
My brain is a bit scrambled this morning.

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
That's all right, after a week that you've been through
having a look at the stocks, the Japanese stocks and
stuff like that, how are things looking there now? After
all of that volatility?

Speaker 8 (01:25:22):
They've calmed down a bit. I mean, there were extraordinary
volatility at the beginning of the week. The NIK two
two five, the main index in Japan, plunged twelve percent
over twelve percent in just the day, and then the
following day rebounded ten percent, which sort of begs the question,
what change between Friday and Monday to cause a twelve

(01:25:43):
percent four and then what changed between Monday and Tuesday
to cause in to rebound again by ten percent? And
no one has really got a very good answer to that,
because there certainly hasn't been anything drastic changing in the economy.
What has changed in Japan is that interest rates are
starting to go up. The Bank of Japan now has
twice this year raised interest rates, and you have to

(01:26:06):
bear in mind that for two decades, interest rates in
Japan have been either negative or zero, so it is
although it's a small change, they're now a quarter of
a percent between global terms, is still very low. It
starts the move of a start upwards and what this
has done has caused an unwind in what is known
as the yen carry trade. Now what happens is investors

(01:26:29):
all over the world are able to borrow money in
Japan at very very low rates, at zero or close
to zero, which they have done, and then they deposit
those proceeds in areas where there's much higher interest rates,
like the US dollar where interest rates are five and
a quarter percent, the New Zealand dollar, the Australian dollar
where you can get a much higher rate of return,

(01:26:51):
and then on top of that they go and use
those funds to buy other assets. So in the US
it could be tech stocks, it could be bitcoin and
so on. So what happens is now that is starting
to go in reverse as Japanese rates rise. It's caused
the big jump in the yen, which means that people
start to lose money when they have to convert their
dollars or their Aussie dollars back to yen because the

(01:27:14):
exchange rate has moved against them. So just a very
small change in interest rates has caused quite a big
dislocation in both Japanese markets and other markets around the
world as well. We've seen it in the US this
weekend and elsewhere. So it does beg the question what
happens if interest rates go up even more? They're only
a quarter of percent at the moment. If they go

(01:27:36):
up even further from that, what is it going to
do twit to local equity markets? And this is where
people are rather fearful of the unwinding of this trade
which has been going on for two decades now.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
On that subject, what do you make of the apparent
disagreement over it between the central bank governor and the
deputy governor.

Speaker 8 (01:27:54):
Well, this is quite extraordinary because the governor of the
Banker Japan casa raise rates and staid very clearly just
two weeks ago rates are going to go up more. Well,
that caused this big fall in the market. So the
other day the deputy governor of the Banker Japan said, no, no,
we're not going to raise rates while markets are unstable. Now,

(01:28:16):
this is quite extraordinary because it means in the space
of just a few days, Japan has completely abandoned its
monetary policy, which was to raise rates in order to
in effect save the markets. They don't want to raise
rates where the markets are going down. Now, this is
not what a central bank is supposed to do. A
central bank is supposed to focus on inflation and price

(01:28:38):
stability and to a certain extented economic stability. Its job
is not to bail out investors in the stock market.
And you certainly wouldn't hear the FED, for example, in
the US, say we're going to stop raising rates because
the market has started to go down. The only time
you would ever consider such a thing is if there
was real financial instability, which hasn't happened to a date

(01:29:02):
in Japan. So this is quite an extraordinary, first of all,
difference of opinion between the governor and the deputy governor,
but also quite an extraordinary intervention by the Bank of
Japan after just one of the fact has been two
days of market volacility.

Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
Yeah, very good point. Hey, I'm fascinated by how far
back to Waltz's connection to China goes, just given how
anti China the US government is at the moment.

Speaker 8 (01:29:26):
Yeah, I mean, he's had a long connection with China,
going back to nineteen eighty nine. He was a teacher
in China for a year in southern China, he taught
American history and English of the school in Guandong Province,
and he speaks very fondly of it. He gave an
interview not long after he did that where he talks

(01:29:46):
very much about how much he enjoyed his experience there.
He thought the Chinese people were wonderful. He said he
was treated exceptionally well. He wasn't very complimentary about the
Chinese governments. He said, there will be so many good
opportunities for Chinese people if they had proper leadership. He
said there would be no limits on what they could
accomplish if they had a good leadership. And even after that,

(01:30:10):
after his year there, he had a business which every
year took high school students from America to China every summer,
and he did that until two thousand and three. And
an interesting fact about it is that he chose to
marry his wife on June the fourth, nineteen ninety four,
or June the fourth was the day is the anniversary

(01:30:33):
of the crackdown on Tier Element Square, and he said
he wanted to marry his wife on to have a
date that he would always remember. So although he likes
very much China, and he likes very much Chinese people.
He has been a very big critic of the Chinese
governments with their human rights record. He's met people like
the Dalai Lama, Hong Kong devocracy activist Joshua Wong. He

(01:30:56):
also met who is now in jail. And he's on
several American committees which are looking into sort of the
activities of China, and he has been a supporter of
some of the sanctions because of what he says and
what these American committees saying are breaches of human rights
in China.

Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
He's fascinating. Hey, thank you very much, Peter really appreciated.
Peter Lewis talk to you next week. Our Asia Business
correspondent out of Hong Kong got the email from ki
Wei Rail good on ya Okay. On the wind, on
the wind, on the wind. The wind at the time,
so they are looking into all aspects of the birthing.
The wind at the time was recorded at being about

(01:31:36):
twenty two knots that's forty one k's per hour, gusting
up to thirty knots that's fifty six k's per hour,
and the investigation will be looking at whether the wind
direction and any gusts were a factor in the incident
because of Redgi's text before and Redgi is the only one,
but I'm keeping my mind open to it because one
guy called Ridge, who was driving a double decker bus
at around about the time that the other Telly hit

(01:31:58):
the drawbridge, because he that they were guests. Maybe they
were guests. We'll go to the UKNX Quarter two, everything.

Speaker 1 (01:32:05):
From SMEs to the big corporates, the Business Hour with
Hinter Duple c Ellen and my HR, the HR platform
for SME US talks.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
They'd be all right with us. Now out of the UK,
we have Gavin Gray evening to you. Gevin Hi there,
Hella right. So we've got some details now on this
plot to attack the tay taken sot. What was this
chet planning to do?

Speaker 24 (01:32:26):
Yeah, a lot more severe than I think people have
originally envisaged. So he's a nineteen year old he's been
arrested on planning to kill a large crowd of people
in a suicide attack at the Taylor Swift concert in Vienna.
The teenager have previously pledged allegiance to the Islamic State
group and confessed that the quote intended to carry out

(01:32:46):
an attack using explosives and knives. Taylor Swift has three
shows at the Ernst Tapple Stadium in Austria. They're all
sold out, but they've all now been canceled. That means
one hundred and ninety five thousand people have been disappointed.
The nineteen year old man, the main suspect, had stolen chemicals,

(01:33:06):
apparently from his former workplace. One newspaper, citing that he
used to work as a metal processing company, intermits his
hometown and that he'd made progress in building a bomb.

Speaker 3 (01:33:18):
Now.

Speaker 24 (01:33:18):
The interesting thing about this, of course is Taylor Swift's
concerts are a massive tour, the Eras Tour, and this
is the European leg, and she arrives in Wembley Stadium
in London next week, and of course security for that
will have to be extremely tight.

Speaker 2 (01:33:34):
Hey, So Elon Musks he deleted that fake Telegraph article.

Speaker 24 (01:33:39):
Yes, so a fake story, a fake article and a
fake banner to it. All of that was something which
appeared on the website or on x and was reposted
by Elon Musk.

Speaker 4 (01:33:53):
What was it?

Speaker 24 (01:33:54):
Well, it promoted a conspiracy theory about the British building
detainment amps in the South Atlantic for rioters in the
recent disturbances those South Atlantic islands the Falkland Islands off Argentina,
of course British territory. But this image that was posted
by Elon Musk looked very much like it had come
from the Daily Telegraph website. The Daily Telegraph said.

Speaker 8 (01:34:17):
No, it's not.

Speaker 24 (01:34:18):
The story has nothing to do with them, and indeed
it's not true. It was first copied. It was originally
put online, then copied by the co leader of the
far right Britain First Party, and that's where we believe
Elon must picked it up. He's since taken it down,
but not Heather before one point seven million people had
looked at it is. So that shows the power of

(01:34:40):
social media and it's something this government is desperately trying
to work out how to tackle in light of how
social media was used in these routes.

Speaker 2 (01:34:47):
Listen, Kevin, I'm not entirely surprised that the two most
expensive studies in the world, Sullivan Aaron Switzerland, are you.

Speaker 24 (01:34:55):
No, I'm not, And having been there recently for dinner
and thinking it would cost me, ah, I don't know,
sixty seventy dollars, and then being given a bill that
was something like double or triple. That father for some
really pretty ordinary stuff was quite amazing. So this is
a list of the top ten most expensive cities in
the world. In fact, it goes on some two hundred

(01:35:15):
and eighteen cities were measured. Geneva and Zurich take the
top two slots, and New York is third. And all
these different factors which include cost of living as in rent,
the going out for a meal, going out for a drink, transport,
calast et cetera, are all compared to New York, so
Geneva and Zurich are more expensive. New York comes in next.

(01:35:38):
Then we get a whole list of different cities. Reck
Kivik in Iceland comes in six. You have to look
down to thirteenth for London. The top Australian city Canberra,
he comes in twelfth. But in New Zealand Wellington twenty ninth,
Auckland forty third and christ Church sixty seventh, so some
interest in comparisons there and the cheapest fourteen cities India

(01:36:03):
and Pakistan have twelve of them.

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
Interesting. Hey, thank you very much, Gavin, really appreciate it,
and enjoy your weekend. Gavin Gray UK correspondent, Man, I'm
surprised that Singapore isn't on like the top ten, because
you know, I went to Singapore last week and we
will discuss this at some stage. It was a wild,
wild thing to do at like two weeks notice to
my boss, who was very gracious about it. Blah blah whatever,
ill explain it at some stage. It was craziness that

(01:36:26):
came over me. But but so I went with a
friend of mine and we were staying at a really
cool little hotel in Chinatown, and so we went. We
had and put hotel on the rooms, breakfast on the room.
So we went downstairs and said, oh, I have breakfast
at the hotel, went downstairs, paid sixty bucks for a breakfast.
We're like, might have to have breakfast now elsewhere, won't

(01:36:46):
we because that's a little bit expensive. And then Singapore's
notorious for being really expensive. And then obviously you have
to go to Raffles Bar. Yeah, we had Raffles hotel.
You have to go to Long Bar all yourself a
Singapore sling, one Singapore sling fifty dollars fifty New Zealand
dollars for a cocktail. Your answers looking at me, like,

(01:37:06):
what are you doing with your life? Would you do
it once? Don't yet they don't do it again.

Speaker 5 (01:37:10):
You can get a cocktail with four different kinds of
rum and absinthe in it in Auckland for like almost half.
They just over half that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
I was shocked and I'm tight.

Speaker 5 (01:37:20):
So so better have been good?

Speaker 20 (01:37:22):
Was it good?

Speaker 2 (01:37:23):
It was awesome? Like you only needed one and you
were like you only needed one and you were not
walking at a straight line. So it did the job
for fifty bucks. I'll tell you what. Singapore is not
the city for me. So I like my things to
be cheap seven away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:37:35):
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on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and my HR,
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Speaker 2 (01:37:46):
Oh yeah, I've got an I've got another Singapore story
for you. So before I went to Singapore, I was
desperate and I was talking about it non stop to
the guys here at work, desperate to go to this
place called Hawker Chan, which is like a really cheap
kind of like food cart type vibe place that managed
to get a Michelin star back in twenty sixteen. It
was really controversial that they gave a Micheline Star to

(01:38:06):
this place, but then it lost the Michelin Star. And
let me tell you, I know why they lost the
Michelin Star because the trapes were made across town to
go to this place. Actually not that far was also
in China Town, so it was just around the block.
But anyway, went there and it was basically the McDonald's
of Singapore. And you go in and they're like Michelin Star,
like hawk Chain in the place that won the Michelin Star, yay.
And you go in and it's like you're going into

(01:38:28):
the crappiest Asian food joint you've ever been to, and
you order. I was like, what shall I have? And
they were like, order the tourist dish, so we did.
And tourist dish is basically like a bunch of kind
of like bits of meat and some bock choi on
the side and then some Singapore noodles. And why on
earth the Micheline people ever thought that that deserved a

(01:38:49):
Michelin star. That wasn't even do you know what? You
go to Ponzabi Food caught order some food up there
is better than what we had. I don't know why
it got a Michelin star, but good thing they took
it away. So anyway, that was the biggest disappointment. Singapore
Sling though I fight out of Singaple Sling before I
gone to that that place, it would have been fine.

Speaker 5 (01:39:03):
And I'll tell you what I'm getting about. Hungry now
talking about this, So let's talk about Michael Boublay. This
is brand new actually from Michael blue Blair. This song
was called Don't Blame It on Me. It's off his
new album, which is going to be a greatest Hits album,
the Best of Boo Blay. You can enjoy that when
it's released on September the twenty seventh. But you know,
I can he greatest Hits album. You have to put
something in there to keep people who already have all

(01:39:23):
the albums buying it. So this is the new song
that's going to be on there.

Speaker 2 (01:39:26):
I love how you say you can enjoy that knowing
I know full well that this would be like your
version of hell, wouldn't it, you know?

Speaker 5 (01:39:32):
Purgatory? I mean I can, I can see the skill
on display, but I wouldn't listen to.

Speaker 2 (01:39:36):
It for fun though, Yeah, okay, you enjoy it though,
because you and I are normal people listening to this.
I'm like an, this is his duff duff enjoy and
we'll see you on Monday. You still me it just
worked out beautiful to play.

Speaker 4 (01:39:54):
With the broken heart when you.

Speaker 1 (01:39:57):
Don't put du.

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
All this wrong for beauty.

Speaker 20 (01:40:05):
Please don't blame it all.

Speaker 13 (01:40:08):
You can call it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:10):
Don't blame it. Always meant to peace.

Speaker 13 (01:40:15):
Don't blame it all.

Speaker 1 (01:40:21):
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