December 10, 2025 • 5 mins
Donald Trump's son says the US President might walk away from the peace efforts of Ukraine and Russia.
The White House unveiled a new National Security Strategy last week - that the Kremlin's now said is largely consistent with Russia's vision.
It blames the EU for blocking US efforts to end the conflict and doesn't cast Russia as a national threat.
UK correspondent Gavin Grey explained further.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Brian Bridge.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Go to Gevin gray Are UK europe correspondent, Gavin good evening.
Good morning to you, Good evening.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
They're ron.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
So we've got talks going on about the European Court
of Human Rights on migration.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Yes, so the Conservatives, the second biggest party, the party
of opposition here and Reform UK leading the last one
hundred opinion polls with Nigel Farage at the helm, are
both saying that they would leave the Convention, the European
Court of Human Rights Convention if they want the next election.
So the British government very keen to look at this
(00:37):
as well, because they say the European Court of Human
Rights and these international agreements do need to be updated
and modernized. Why well, because quite simply, the international human
rights laws are giving people the opportunity and excuse to
stay in the UK when frankly, most people I think
(00:57):
we're using their logics, say they have no right to
stay in the UK. There is a particular clause in
there where they say it's a right to life, a
right to a family life. Where somebody said, all, well,
you know, I've got a girlfriend and she's living in
the UK, so I should be able to stay in
the UK as well, and that's really irritated things. I
think it's made the removal of the illegal migrants here
(01:20):
much much more difficult as they go to law, supported
by of course the UK taxpayer for their funds, their
legal fees, and so critics say that the European Court
of Human Rights is getting in the way of removing
more illegal migrants. Supporters those say the claims about the
role in migration are exaggerated and it should not be
moved or removed and shouldn't be altered. But it is
(01:44):
nevertheless seventy five years old, and many are saying, including
our own leader, Secure Starmer, and the leaders of Italy
and Denmark, saying it is old, it is outdated, it
needs updating.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Isn't it fascinating because this is a labor Prime Minister
of the UK that we're talking about here, and he's
talking about watering down human rights.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
So does Trump have a point? Does Trump have a
point on migration that Europe is a bit weak?
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Well? I think his most recent comments coming out saying
that the Europe is decaying and the leaders are weak
because they've allowed uncontrolled migration to take the changes that
are happening in these countries. I think a lot of
people will support what he's saying because they consider that
we don't know who lots of these people coming into
(02:34):
the country. Are the headlines our full day in day
out here in the UK and other European countries of
migrants who have been waiting for their asylum application to
be processed, then in court for committing some pretty nasty offenses.
Just in the last forty eight hours I've read of
I think three separate cases where migrants who are here
(02:55):
illegally and waiting for their decision have committed rape and
are offenses. One has to remember, of course, that these
are the ones that make the headline. Many tens of
thousands come across and are not doing this here for
a better way of life. But I think the US
President's comments that the UK is changing and changing irretrievably
(03:17):
have hit home and do resonate with some people here
in the UK.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Now a sperm donor who unknowingly harbored a genetic mutation.
This is all kicking off the story what's going on here?
Will explain it to us given well.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Basically, there was a donor, an anonymous man who was
paid to donate as a student around two thousand and five.
His sperm has then been used by women for around
seventeen years and it's thought fathered at least one hundred
and ninety seven children, so round about two hundred at
the very minimum. Now at the time, he's healthy and
(03:55):
he passed the donor screening checks. However, the DNA in
some of his cells mutated before he was born, and
that it's damaged a gene called TP fifty three, and
that is a crucial in preventing the body's cells turning cancerous.
So although most of the donor's body does not contain
this dangerous form of TP fifty three, up to a
(04:18):
fifth of his sperm do, and any children made from
the affected sperm will have the mutation in every cell
of their body. And the investigation among fourteen public sector
broadcasters in the European Union has found that some of
his children have already died. Now, there are rules in
the UK about how many children can be born from
(04:40):
one particular donor, but in other countries there aren't. And
it really is fearful that out of the twenty three
that they've discovered the children had been ten had been
diagnosed with cancer, so some awful news. Those in charge
of the center say investigations are underwearing sympathies with the families,
but I think this obviously shows some of the dangers
(05:00):
of the screening of some of the dispermed donors, at
least lacking in this particular moment.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
It's awful because it's presumably he knows all about this
and so, but he did nothing wrong and from the
get go right. So that's a that's a terrible situation
to be in. Yeah, Kevin, thank you for that. Kevin Gray,
our UK correspondent.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
Brian Bridge.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Go to Gevin gray Are UK europe correspondent, Gavin good evening.
Good morning to you, Good evening.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
They're ron.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
So we've got talks going on about the European Court
of Human Rights on migration.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Yes, so the Conservatives, the second biggest party, the party
of opposition here and Reform UK leading the last one
hundred opinion polls with Nigel Farage at the helm, are
both saying that they would leave the Convention, the European
Court of Human Rights Convention if they want the next election.
So the British government very keen to look at this
(00:37):
as well, because they say the European Court of Human
Rights and these international agreements do need to be updated
and modernized. Why well, because quite simply, the international human
rights laws are giving people the opportunity and excuse to
stay in the UK when frankly, most people I think
(00:57):
we're using their logics, say they have no right to
stay in the UK. There is a particular clause in
there where they say it's a right to life, a
right to a family life. Where somebody said, all, well,
you know, I've got a girlfriend and she's living in
the UK, so I should be able to stay in
the UK as well, and that's really irritated things. I
think it's made the removal of the illegal migrants here
(01:20):
much much more difficult as they go to law, supported
by of course the UK taxpayer for their funds, their
legal fees, and so critics say that the European Court
of Human Rights is getting in the way of removing
more illegal migrants. Supporters those say the claims about the
role in migration are exaggerated and it should not be
moved or removed and shouldn't be altered. But it is
(01:44):
nevertheless seventy five years old, and many are saying, including
our own leader, Secure Starmer, and the leaders of Italy
and Denmark, saying it is old, it is outdated, it
needs updating.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Isn't it fascinating because this is a labor Prime Minister
of the UK that we're talking about here, and he's
talking about watering down human rights.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
So does Trump have a point? Does Trump have a
point on migration that Europe is a bit weak?
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Well? I think his most recent comments coming out saying
that the Europe is decaying and the leaders are weak
because they've allowed uncontrolled migration to take the changes that
are happening in these countries. I think a lot of
people will support what he's saying because they consider that
we don't know who lots of these people coming into
(02:34):
the country. Are the headlines our full day in day
out here in the UK and other European countries of
migrants who have been waiting for their asylum application to
be processed, then in court for committing some pretty nasty offenses.
Just in the last forty eight hours I've read of
I think three separate cases where migrants who are here
(02:55):
illegally and waiting for their decision have committed rape and
are offenses. One has to remember, of course, that these
are the ones that make the headline. Many tens of
thousands come across and are not doing this here for
a better way of life. But I think the US
President's comments that the UK is changing and changing irretrievably
(03:17):
have hit home and do resonate with some people here
in the UK.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Now a sperm donor who unknowingly harbored a genetic mutation.
This is all kicking off the story what's going on here?
Will explain it to us given well.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Basically, there was a donor, an anonymous man who was
paid to donate as a student around two thousand and five.
His sperm has then been used by women for around
seventeen years and it's thought fathered at least one hundred
and ninety seven children, so round about two hundred at
the very minimum. Now at the time, he's healthy and
(03:55):
he passed the donor screening checks. However, the DNA in
some of his cells mutated before he was born, and
that it's damaged a gene called TP fifty three, and
that is a crucial in preventing the body's cells turning cancerous.
So although most of the donor's body does not contain
this dangerous form of TP fifty three, up to a
(04:18):
fifth of his sperm do, and any children made from
the affected sperm will have the mutation in every cell
of their body. And the investigation among fourteen public sector
broadcasters in the European Union has found that some of
his children have already died. Now, there are rules in
the UK about how many children can be born from
(04:40):
one particular donor, but in other countries there aren't. And
it really is fearful that out of the twenty three
that they've discovered the children had been ten had been
diagnosed with cancer, so some awful news. Those in charge
of the center say investigations are underwearing sympathies with the families,
but I think this obviously shows some of the dangers
(05:00):
of the screening of some of the dispermed donors, at
least lacking in this particular moment.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
It's awful because it's presumably he knows all about this
and so, but he did nothing wrong and from the
get go right. So that's a that's a terrible situation
to be in. Yeah, Kevin, thank you for that. Kevin Gray,
our UK correspondent.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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