Heather du Plessis-Allan Drive Full Show Podcast: 30 August 2024

On the Heather du Plessis-Allan Drive Full Show Podcast for Friday, 30 August 2024, Philip Polkinghorne's defence has begun in his murder trial today. Herald reporter Craig Kapitan tells Heather who the surprising first witness was, and why Polkinghorne's mistress won't take the stand.

TVNZ's chief executive Jodi O'Donnell joins Heather in studio to talk about having to find $30 million dollars in savings next year after a huge financial loss this year.

Former All Whites star and All Birds founder Tim Brown on why he's bought into the Auckland FC game ... and whether there's any hope for All Birds.

On the Huddle, Elliot Smith and Nicky Styris on the All Blacks taking on South Africa, security in Johannesburg and terrible refs in league.

Plus, huge change for workers in the UK who will soon be able to demand a 4-day work week. But should they?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
You stalk zed b.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show Twist in the
Polkinghorn Trilay. His case has opened today. His first witness
in his defense is her sister. So we're going to
go to the reporter who's been covering that Hoe takes
over as Marty King or even queen now that King
Ta Hatesia has died. Will get you across that. Tim Brown,
the former All White and All Birds founder, on buying
into the Auckland FC franchise, and Jody O'donald TV and

(00:35):
z's boss on the massive loss they've just posted.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Heather duplessy Ellen, Yeah, it looks.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Like the trouble is not nearly close to being over
for TV and Z. The news out today is that
they've made the loss that we were expecting about twenty
nine million bucks, and it is not ending there. They
now have to find another thirty million dollars worth of
savings to make another thirty million, which basically what they've
just done, and they need to do that fast. So
I would say brace yourself, because it's almost certain shows

(01:02):
are going to be cut again and staff are going
to be fired again. Already, the rumors are that Breakfast
is in the boss's sites. And the reason that everybody's
worried about Breakfast is because the contracts for that show
run out in December. And TVNZ has pretty much made
this rumor worse because they've put up an advert looking
for a foreign producer for Breakfast, and in bold in

(01:23):
the ad it says, this is a fixed term contract
until the end of the year. I mean, why would
you be hiring somebody what is it August just through
to the end of the year, right. It started to
raise the questions all over again. Now TV and said
says there's nothing to see here, but you know, thirty
million dollars worth of savings says there is something to
see here and pretty much almost everywhere. And the reason

(01:46):
that we can say with confidence that shows have to
be cut is because that is the only way that
you're going to come anywhere close to finding thirty million
dollars worth of savings. And even then, you're not going
to come close by cutting shows. That gets you the closest,
but it's still way away. Remember all that cutting that
they did with fair Go and Sunday and the staff
and reducing Shorty Street and just everything else they were doing.

(02:06):
That only saved them ten million dollars. That's all, So
as you can see. As you can see, they are
going to have to cut pretty deep this time around,
and they can't be rescued all that much by trying
to find new income off the internet streaming service TV
and Z plus, because from what I've been told today,
sticking anything behind a play wall there to make money
is years away. They haven't got they haven't got the

(02:26):
digital ability to do that yet, so that's years away.
They have to find money this year. So this is
my prediction. They will cut shows, and the shows that
they will cut will be local shows because local shows
are way more expensive than foreign content. And maybe maybe
they will even cut some of their expensive stars because
as I say, thirty million dollars is a lot of

(02:48):
money to find all over.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Again whatever duplus La Jodie.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
O'donald, the TV and Z chief executive, is going to
be with us after six o'clock now nine two, nine
to two. By the way, standard techs fees apply, exchanges
are coming for workers in the UK, they're going to
be allowed to demand a full day working week from
their bosses. The Telegraph is reporting the new law will
mean that employees can work their contracted weeks hours in
four days rather than five if it suits them. Massy

(03:13):
University Professor of Management and Maori Business Jared Hars with us. Now, hey,
Jared Cureda, how you doing. I'm well, thank you mate.
I mean this is obvious. It's obviously not going to
work for all industries. But is it going to work
for the majority or a minority?

Speaker 4 (03:26):
I I don't know for it to work for the majority. Actually,
I think one of the things is there might be
a lot of people who could work for ten hour
days until you start working for ten hour day weeks,
and then I think people will go, oh my gosh,
this is actually quite hard on the body, because it is.
That's what the research tells us. So I wouldn't be
surprised if a lot of people try it and then

(03:48):
they revert back to where they were.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
What does it do for productivity?

Speaker 4 (03:54):
Well, in some respects you are trying to cram it
all in, you know. I think the trouble is that
to achieve let's say forty hours of work in four days.
For ten hour days, you do have to physically mentally
stretch yourself further than five eight hour days. So what

(04:14):
typically happens is that productivity might might achieve the same
kind of level, but people burn out for example, know,
the wellbeing suffers. So I don't think it's it'll be.
I mean, some people might love it, but I wouldn't
be surprised if we find a lot of people go yes,
but no thanks.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
And what about the bosses. Are the bosses going to
love it or not?

Speaker 4 (04:35):
Well, that's a great point, right because they may find
their you know, the senior leadership team is saying no,
you can't work for I need you here to manage
the rest of the office five days a week. Although
we have found in the working from home that often
managers who work from home while demanding that their workers

(04:57):
don't work from home, for example, So it might be
one of those things manage to use it.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
I reckon the bosses are going to hate it, because
if you think about it, right, the boss is turning
up let's say five days a week, and that even
though over there down the road is pulling full forty hours,
suddenly on a Friday, you can't get hold of them
because it's their day off and that would eventually just
wind you up, wouldn't it.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
Yeah, And I think that's part of the dynamic, right,
So you might have people working Monday to Thursday and
maybe maybe the other group are working Tuesday to Friday.
You know that those There are ways around it, and
I guess the thing here is that it just gives
them the opportunity to consider it. There's no guarantee, we'll

(05:39):
see you know. UK firms are rushing to adopt a
compressed work week, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
Hey did you see that Kiwi billionaire over in Australia
who wants to hold his work as captive and won't
even let them go out for a coffee?

Speaker 4 (05:54):
Yeah? I did laugh at that. You mean that the
billionaire on six million Australia. The Yeah, Yeah, they know
you can't go next door to get a coffee. You
have to drink in our workplace.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
That's the one. So what he's got is he's got
a daycare there, he's got an art gallery at the workplace,
he's got the coffee place at the workplace, he's got
the gym there, He's got everything so that they don't
have to leave. This doesn't feel like a good idea,
because surely sometimes just getting out and getting some fresh
air and getting away from the desk actually makes you
alert and productive and start all over again.

Speaker 4 (06:29):
Yeah, and the research tells us we sometimes it's just that,
you know, you go for a walk, you're having coffee
somewhere else, maybe you're laughing about how bad that coffee is,
but then all of a sudden, you know, the light
bulb strikes in your brain. And so getting out of
the workplace can definitely be a beneficial thing. I noticed
that he doesn't allow working from home, for example, So

(06:52):
he does sound a little bit especially when he talks about,
you know, chaining them to the workplace type thing, sounds
a little bit controlling whoatrolling end, and workers respond well
when they have freedom and autonomy.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
I don't think he'd be easy to be married to. Jared,
Thank you very much, really appreciate Jared hah Massi University
Professor of Management and Marty Business. I'll get you across.
This guy's name is Chris Allison. He's the chief executive
of the Australian mining giant Mineral Resources. He says he's on.
This is the Perth headquarters on site. They have a gym,
a restaurant, they have nurses and doctors. I mean they're like,

(07:28):
some of this is going to be reasonably convenient news
unless they're until they're like, no, you must go to
this doctor and I want to go to my other doctor.
You've got to go to this doctor. Psychologists on the
payroll to tackle any mental health issues, as well as
other facilities to keep the staff there. They've got a
craze which costs employees twenty bucks a day, which you
know is wonderful. They've got everything going on, art galleryander chef.

(07:50):
He says, I want to hold them captive all day long.
I don't want them leaving the building. But sinister, isn't it.
I don't want them walking down the road for a
cup of coffee. We kind of figured out a few
years ago how much that costs wandering around at lunchtime.

Speaker 5 (08:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
So if you see a job going at Mineral Resources
in Perth, just.

Speaker 6 (08:11):
How hard hither it would be to pull a sicky
in that place. You're like, oh, I'm not feeling great, boss,
I think I better go home.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
They're like, come and see the doctor, see the doctor,
come see.

Speaker 6 (08:19):
The nore or else. You're like, oh, I think I
might be burning out and they're like no, the psychologist
says you're fine, get back to work.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
Yep, absolutely, And all of it would be rigged. It's
like some sort of weird system where it's just designed
to keep you going.

Speaker 6 (08:29):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
They'd just call your bluff very quickly if you're very
much well. Actually that that might not be a bad
idea of because I know some people who like to
pull sickies all the time. Should we get one of
them here?

Speaker 7 (08:38):
No?

Speaker 3 (08:38):
Just not my flu coming on now, not our team.
Our team's fine. Here we go sixteen past.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Four, Digging deeper into the day's headlines.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
It's hither duper c Allen drive with one New zealand
one giant leap for business use. Dogs'd be sport with
the new tab app downloaded?

Speaker 2 (08:56):
Today? Are eighteen bed responsibly here?

Speaker 3 (09:00):
The Wellington Council needs an in house doctor. That way,
Tory Farno might work a full we Maybe she'll do Yeah,
maybe she will turn up to work when the pressures on.
But maybe also she'll figure out why she keeps on
contracting COVID all the time. Listen, We've got some trouble
at the America's Cup. By the sounds of things, the
boat's being dropped. I don't know if you've caught up
on this, but the crane dropped the boat on concrete
after the race this morning, and it sounds like it

(09:21):
was hard. Has led to a crack in the hole,
and it's not clear whether they're definitely not racing on
the second day, and it's because of this, and it's
not clear if they're going to race it all because
they basically have to try and fix the thing. Jason
Pine Weekend Sport Hosters with US now Piney.

Speaker 8 (09:34):
Hello, hello head.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
Do we know whether they're going to be able to
fix this or not?

Speaker 8 (09:39):
I think I'll fix it. What they've got on their
side is time, because they're only racing in the Louis
Vuton series really just to get some racism, you know,
they change the rules so that they could race against
these other boats, get some time on the water, that
sort of thing. The America's Cup match itself doesn't start
until October. Having said that, any delay to their you know,
to their plan of having time on the water, it

(10:00):
is not going to be ideal. Yeah, I haven't heard
any more than what you've just read out and that,
I mean, a crack in the hole doesn't sound good
for a boat, I must say. I'm not sure that's exactly.
I'm not sure that's exactly.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
Anyhow do you drop a boat with a crane? I mean,
was this deliberate?

Speaker 9 (10:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (10:17):
You reckon it was someone from Lunar Rossa. I reckon The.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
Crime makes the story better, though, doesn't it is that's
better than incompetence.

Speaker 8 (10:23):
Yeah, I think you're right. I read some stuff and
it said there was some concerned looks. I don't even
know what that means. I mean, i'd be concerned of anything,
whether it means the boat can't sail or whether it's
just got a little crack in the side. But yeah,
it's obviously not ideal, so I'll wait and see what.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
They're not at all. Hey, listen, how are you feeling
about the All Blacks feed the spring box this weekend?

Speaker 8 (10:43):
I feel well, I'm very, very excited about the game.
I think, outside of Rugby World Cups, I can't remember
feelings as excited about an All Blacks game as this one.
I mean, Alice Park, you know sixty five thousand South
Africa World Champions beat us by a point, but I reckon,
you know, we don't lose it out lost part that
often with one three of the last four there. I

(11:05):
get the feeling that the All Blacks will quite fancy
the very rare circumstance of being underdogs and this one.
I like the team. I like the fact Sam kines
in there. Yeah, I'm I'm actually, I'm actually very curious
to see what happens. And I think we all just
expect the All Blacks to win every time they play,
but there'll be underdogs for this one without a doubt.

(11:26):
So that girl beat their chest a bit and bring physicality.
So yeah, really, And I like getting up in the
middle of the night to watch rugby. It's a bit
of a throwback.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
Are you going to set the old two thirty alarm?

Speaker 8 (11:35):
Are you one hundred percent? I can't see. I can't
do a I don't know. Can you like get up
at say seven or a more civilized hour and watch
a replay knowing that it's not live, even if you
don't know the score?

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Can you do that?

Speaker 3 (11:46):
It's hard? No, I don't do that. I know, I try. No,
but I don't remember. Heart's not in the day. I'm
usually busy doing something else, like playing cross Ridge on
my phone.

Speaker 8 (11:55):
Okay, you know, like I just can't. Like I couldn't
because I just know it wasn't live. I'd know that
if I wanted to, I could go and look at
the score. So no, no, I'll be up, but I'll
be up just before three to check it out from Alex.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
Okay, now, So why has Sophie Devine really stood down
as the White Fun's Tea twenty captain? Is because? Is
it because they suck?

Speaker 8 (12:13):
Well? I don't know. I don't think it's quite as
cut and dry as that. She's still going to take
the team or lead the teenth of the World Cup,
the T twenty World Cup, which is in October. I
just think she looks looks and looks ahead and thinks, Okay,
my time in this team is probably coming towards an end,
so so let's try something new. Look to me, it's
obvious who takes over mealy Kerr takes over the running

(12:34):
of this team and takes it into its next stage
of its development, which hopefully has a bit more success
than the one we've had. Sophie devine, wonderful cricket, a
terrific batter, amazing striker of the ball, but just hasn't
been able to lead either the T twenty side or
the fifty overside actually to any great degree of consistent success.
So maybe she's had a look at herself and say, Okay,

(12:54):
well I'm better value to this team as a batter.
Only let somebody else lead and make the decisions raw
bowling changes I sit for and see how we go there.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
Yeah, Pinney, listen, thank you very much and enjoy enjoy
the rugby this weekend. Jason Pine Weekend Sport hosts will
be back mid day to three o'clock to Morrow and
Sunday here on News Talk Zibhither was it Susie who
was driving the crane? Hither did they hire the inter
Islander staff to drive the crane? Hither did they hire
those people who took the nuts out of the pylon

(13:22):
to drive the crane? So many questions, so many people
who could be implicated in that. Do you know what? Honestly,
after that happened today, my two and a half year
old all he could say for about half an hour
is manna the crane, drop the boat and I was like, yes,
we're all having the same experience. The crane drop, the
boat unreal.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
For twenty three, Heather Duplicy Allen cutting through the noise
to get the facts. It's hither Duplicy Allen drive with
one New Zealand let's get connected and news talk.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
As d be.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Hither we just lost the America's Cup. Have you ever
dropped your phone from a few meters? It never runs
the same. I don't know, I've ben For twenty six,
Kamala Harris has given her first interview sit down interview.
This is the one where she took Tim Waltz, her deputy,
along to babysit her. She was asked about being a
staunch defender of Joe Biden when people were questioning his
fitness for office. Remember, she was still like, no, he's fine,

(14:14):
he's fine.

Speaker 9 (14:15):
Do you have any regrets about what you told the
American people?

Speaker 3 (14:19):
No, not at all, not at all.

Speaker 7 (14:22):
I have.

Speaker 10 (14:24):
Served with President Biden for almost four years now, and
I'll tell you it's one of the greatest honors of
my career.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
Truly.

Speaker 10 (14:33):
He cares so deeply about the American people. He is
so smart and loyal to the American people.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
And then she was asked about the day that Joe
Biden decided to pull out of the race and endorse
her instead.

Speaker 10 (14:47):
It was a Sunday, So here, I'll give you a
little too much information.

Speaker 11 (14:52):
Go for it.

Speaker 12 (14:52):
There's no such thing, Adam, Vice President.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
My family was staying with us.

Speaker 10 (14:57):
We were sitting down to do a pub and the
phone rang and it was Joe Biden and he told
me what he had decided to do. And I asked him,
are you sure? And he said yes, And and that's

(15:20):
how I learned about it.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
She's boring. She's boring. I told you she's boring, and this,
and she is boring. And in the interview she's boring.
And that's why she took Tim Walks with her, because
he's not boring, he's interesting. She is boring. This is
why this is the very thing that I was worried
was going to happen for her. This is why they
haven't done any sit down interviews with her, because everything
around her has been really exciting, Like the Obamas have

(15:44):
been exciting, and Oprah has been exciting, and John Legend's
been exciting, and the possibility beyond has been exciting and
the whole thing, the momentum, yay, and then when you
actually like the whole thing is really exciting until you
hear her and then you're like, oh, it's like the
air going out of a balloon. Anyway, we'll have a
chat to a correspondent about it shortly and headlines right away.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Hard questions, strong opinion, Heather Duper see Ellen Drive with
One New Zealand. Let's get connected and news talk as
it'd be.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
Hey, we're going to tap into the Pulpenhorn trial after
five o'clock. I'll get you across everything you need to
know before that. Craig Capatan is our reporter who's been
in court today for that. Well, hither I would take
boring any day. It's not. America's got talent. Very good point.
And then the question do you remember John Howard followed
by another text from somebody else completely saying he was
the most boring man in the world, but he was
a great prime minister either. Chris Luxeen is riveting man.

(16:49):
Can he tell a story as if to say there's
another boring world leader, etc. I take your point, and
I take your point. All I'm trying to say is
that this is why that she is boring, isn't she
That's not altogether the worst thing in the world, but
it is why in part of trying to keep her
away from the interviews and stuff like that. Anyway, we're
going to talk to our correspondent shortly and we'll get

(17:10):
his take on it. Finally got a timeline for when
the cops are going to stop doing those mental health callouts.
It's going to be a November. So they are not
going to go if there's somebody wandering down the road
foaming in the mouth, talking to themselves and hassling people
like which is literally what I saw this week on
Ponsonby Road. They're not going to be coming to that.
They're only going to be going to the ones where
there is an immediate risk to life and safety. So

(17:32):
somebody's having a mental health crisis and wanting to hurt
people or themselves, that is when the cops are going
to turn up, and everything else will be directed to
quote more appropriate services. Now this beaks the question who
is going to turn up when you've got the guy
wandering down the road, foaming at the mouth and hassling people,
and you know a bunch of school kids in school uniforms,

(17:52):
being quite freaked out and calling parents on the phone
and stuff like that. Who comes to that. The minister
in charge of this, Matt Doocy, he's the mental health minister.
He's with us called past five. Hopefully he can shed
some light there. Twenty three away from five. Right now, it's.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
The world wires on news talks. It'd be drive so.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
In that interview, Kamala Harris has revealed that if she wins,
she'd be happy to have a Republican in her cabinet.

Speaker 10 (18:13):
I think it's important to have people at the table
and when some of the most important decisions are being
made that have different views, different experiences, and I think
it would be to the benefit of the American public
to have a member of my cabinet.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
Who was a Republican. And she was also asked to
respond to Donald Trump's comments on her race. She didn't
have a lot to say.

Speaker 10 (18:32):
Same old tired playbook, next question, please, that's it.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
Israel and Hamas have agreed to a series of three
day truces in the Gaza Strip in September. Now while
the fighting is on hold, children in the area we
vaccinated against polio A UNICEF spokesperson says polio has become
a real problem in Gaza since the war broke out.

Speaker 5 (18:52):
Six hundred thousand children plus need to be vaccinated. They
missed previous rounds of routine vaccination, and the poliovirus, which
had been this vanished from the region for twenty five years,
is now back and making a strong comeback. So we
need to make sure that this campaign has.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
Rolled out and finally when it takes it. The Laver
has become the latest artist to ask the US presidential
candidate Donald Trump to please stop using their songs. Universal Music,
which is the record company that represents them, says the
Trump campaign has not obtained permission or a license to
use the band's work, and what they've been using in

(19:31):
the Trump campaign is the winner takes it all. This
banger dancing queen and obviously money money.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
Money, international correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of
mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
Right, So back to Kamala Harris and the much anticipated interview,
the first one since becoming the Democratic nominee for president.
US correspondent Benji Higher and Washington has been watching the
interview for US A Benji hayb Ok give it to
me out of ten. How did it go for her?

Speaker 13 (20:00):
I thought it was solid, if unspectacular, and ultimately that's
what her campaign would have wanted all alone, you know,
to avoid any sort of catastrophic slip up. Frankly, that
could have been the banan appeal to spoil her campaign,
which has ridden on a wave of momentum so far.
And I'm not going to suggest that she's won over

(20:20):
a ton of voters through this interview alone. But ultimately,
Kamala Howis's reputation was all about being good at asking questions,
not necessarily answering them, and she had faced accusations that
she'd been hiding from the press in recent weeks by
not taking this sit down in depth, on the record conversation.
Now she's done this interview answering those questions on important

(20:44):
issues like the economy, like immigration. Yes, there will still
be criticism from her rivals about some positions on which
she's flipped in a way to I think just managed
to non alienate some voters on key issues, but she
remained uns I think from this interview experience and can
now push on and move on with her campaign being

(21:06):
able to say, well, I've done it. I've been held
to account and I presented my vision to the country.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
She's been getting grief even today for having Ton Waltz,
theird babysit herd. Did she actually need him in the inn?

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Well?

Speaker 13 (21:18):
I think what's interesting about this is two things. One is,
if you look at precedent, it is entirely normal for
when the presidential candidate hosts their first interview of this
kind as a nominee, for them to have their running mates,
their vice presidential pick by their side. It happened with
Barack Obama and Joe Biden. It happened with Hillary Clinton

(21:40):
and Tim Kaine. It happened just the other week with
Donald Trump and Senator jd Vance. So this is, you know,
nothing strange or unique. It's not like she was using
him as protection. What it is also interesting is that
it so happens that he took much of the flack,
much of the cis from CNN during this interview, where

(22:04):
he was probed on some of the comments that he
made but could be potentially misleading about guns, about IVF,
the treatment that he used in order to help him
and his wife give birth to their daughter, Hope. But
ultimately what it did allow for is some more lighthearted

(22:24):
conversation towards the end of the interview about Tim Walls's
pride in his son, a moment that went viral during
the Democratic National Convention where his son was proudly cheering
on his father, And I think that would be helpful
in a campaign which is so much about personality and
vibes just as much as policy.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Hey, was this the first time that we'd actually heard
Tim Waltz himself admit that he hadn't been to war
since the comment?

Speaker 13 (22:51):
Yeah, so this is a comment about him saying that
he was using weapons of war and that he wouldn't
want them to be used in other sort of setting.
You know, the idea of school shootings being an unfortunately
rife epidemic in the United States. So a really important
subject that's worth speaking about, but has been sort of
undermined by these comments that Republicans especially have pounced upon,

(23:16):
saying that Timboles was misleading in these remarks. He didn't
actually hold a weapon in war. He has clarified that
position in the past through statements, but this was different
because it was on air and he said that he
just you know, made a mistake over wording it wasn't.
It wasn't a guy that's used to grammar and this,
that and the other, which I think he'd kind of

(23:37):
managed to get away with for now. But ultimately this
is going to continue to be an attack line by Republicans,
which he claims is personal, and ultimately there is precedent
for that. If you look at a number of the
rhetoric that comes from Republicans, it is attacking Timballs and
Kamala Harris as people, as individuals. I mean, some of

(23:57):
Donald Trump's attacks on Kamala Harris had been racial or
misogynistic in nature, and I think that actually the Democrats
will happily take those if it means that Donald Trump
isn't focusing on policy issues like the economy, like immigration,
where in fact, how it could be seen as more vulnerable.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
Benji, thank you so much for your insight, really appreciated,
as Benji Higher, the US correspondent in Washington, DC who
watched the interview for US. By the way, on ever
asking Donald Trump to stop playing the song songs, they
are just the latest in a long line of artists
have now asked them to please stop. You got the
Rolling Stones, Bruce Springsteen Rihanna, Prince Adele and obviously not

(24:38):
Prince himself, right, but representatives for and also Beyonce. But
this was because he was playing beyonce song Freedom. But
then oh, Mike Camela runs Beyonce's song Freedom and Beyonce
is totally fine with it. It is much easier, right. I
don't know if you've noticed this, but it's much easier
to be a Democrat running for president in terms of
the music because everybody, like all the musicians love the Democrats.

(25:00):
So the happy for the Democrats to use the music.
But when the Republicans use it, and especially Trump, no,
thank you.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
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Speaker 3 (25:10):
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Speaker 10 (25:13):
Hello, good afternoon, Heather.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
Who succeeds King tu Haitia.

Speaker 14 (25:19):
Well that's an interesting one, isn't it, Because it was
only a couple of years ago that his oldest son,
and that would be assumed because it was King to
Haitia's mother, Dame Tete Rengui Kahu, who I knew relatively well.
He was the next in line in terms of the family. Well,

(25:40):
the king's oldest son Fatumwana Paky he would normal under
normal circumstances. Jordan Magen succeed the king, but the King
disowned him essentially when he got married a couple of
years ago, and then added insult to injury by stripping

(26:01):
him of his royal title.

Speaker 10 (26:04):
So whether whether.

Speaker 14 (26:06):
In fact he now can step up is another matter.
But it's interesting, isn't it. King to hay Tea, the
condolences and messages that have flowed in from around the world.
King Charles sent a message He had met to Haitia,
he said, on a number of occasions, and he said

(26:28):
that his death was a particular shock to him, given
the fact that he had been recently talking to King
to ha Tea on the telephone at the beginning of
this month. So you know, the pair obviously got on well.
And all the photos that I've seen of them, the
two of them together, they are always seemed to be
laughing and joking. Is it's a time for maldi And

(26:51):
I was at Dame Tiata her funeral and it's or Tonguey.
It's massive and it will be massive, no doubt at
turanngawai Wa next week.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
It's an awkward time to be isn't it for I
suppose the Mary world to be changing the king here
because just because of what a unifier he's been with
all of the race relations policies and stuff like that,
it just it just doesn't help, does it.

Speaker 11 (27:17):
Well.

Speaker 14 (27:17):
The interesting thing about King to Haiti and he broke
from tradition and through his support at the last sorry,
at the twenty seventeen election behind the Maldi Party. Now
you'd naturally assume Maori King would support or any Maldi
royalty would support the Maldi Party. But that was a
break with tradition, and he said that the king e

(27:40):
Tunga movement will go on supporting Mary, and essentially it's
a Waikato movement, it's not the whole of Maldi. Yeah,
but you know, he broke with tradition. Then normally hither
in terms of succession, what happens is that on the
day of the funeral, when they're laid to rest at
the top of Tolpury Mountain, they announced the successor. Then

(28:03):
so next week the successor should be announced and it'll
be interesting to see if they can arrive at a conclusion.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
By then, Ary has the Pacific Islands Forum wrapped up,
already has.

Speaker 14 (28:13):
It well, it has essentially, and the leaders have been
at a retreat and climate change. Not surprisingly heather is
dominated discussion here, given that some of these small island
states are going to be inundated by the sea in
the coming decades. But interestingly, the Australian idea of supporting

(28:38):
a Pacific policing initiative that will be set up a
training facility in Brisbane, that got certainly the accolades from
the leaders attending this. And it's interesting because the Chinese
they've been talking about policing in the region and this
is obviously a play against Chinese dominance in the region.

(29:01):
So that security issue has always been very much to
the forefront of these leaders discussions as well.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
Can you think of it now that the cops are
not doing the mental health callouts? Can you think of
who is going to take the place and do those
mental health call outs?

Speaker 14 (29:13):
Well, I hear you going to be interviewing Matt Doosey,
and that'll be fascinating because that's exactly what's sprung to
my mind, as it did clearly yours. You know, if
they do get a call out, they'll have to judge
or the call center will have to judge whether a
person is an imminent danger. If they are, the police

(29:34):
would go, but if they're not. And the mental health
call out is a very difficult one, but you can
understand the resources that it takes from the police. I
mean they have been known to sit with for hours
with distress people in emergency departments. Well they won't be
doing that from November onwards. But exactly as you say, Heather,

(29:56):
it's going to be interesting to see who picks up
the sl back when a distressed person calls and who
makes that judgment about a mental health issue.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
Yeah, too, right, Barry, thank you very much, appreciate it. We'
wrap the political week that was with you later on
about quarter past six. Barry Sopa, our senior political correspondent,
here's a stat for you. Police receive one mental health
related call every seven minutes. That's how much of their
time it takes up eight away from five.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Digging into the issues that affect you the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 15 (30:27):
Confidence can always continue to fall, but I do maintain
my argument that I think I started last week. I
think things are turning in this country and people are
keen to feel better about life and having rucks and
everyone pays rucks. Would that make it simpler?

Speaker 5 (30:40):
It's more about making it.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Fairer here everybody.

Speaker 15 (30:42):
They picked an interviewer that really is on a hiding,
sadly to nothing unless she lays it out and puts
her on the floor. Back Monday, from six am, the
mic asking Breakfast with the Rain drove of the last
news talk z b SO on.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
The Polkinghorn trial. The lawyer this is Polkinghorn's lawyer, Ron Mansfield,
has ripped into the cops today. He's saying that they
were too intoxicated by salacious details of sex and drugs
to step back and take a realistic look at what
was so obviously a suicide. He runs a very good lawyer,
very good defense lawyer. So Philip Polkinghorn's money well spent there.

(31:18):
Craig Capatan is going to be with us straight after
five o'clock and talk us through what's happened in court today.
I'm fascinated by the success the succession to king tu
Haitia because it's not actually necessarily hereditary. I mean, I
think we all just assume it's hereditary, because you know,
the English thrown as hereditary. I'm not entirely sure that

(31:38):
it is with the Mary King situation. We're gonna have
a chance to Shane to Poe about this when he's
with us. Ten past five problems if it is hereditary, right. So,
the king was grooming his eldest son very clearly to
take over from him to be the heir. But then
of course he got in trouble because he married some
bird that the king didn't like, and as a result
they actually stripped him off his title. So then, and
this was very recent, this was just in the last

(31:59):
couple of years, so he's now not the chosen one anymore.
The second son was kind of like, yeah, he was
like the Harry. He was a bit problematic because he
had got into some trouble. Now, bearing in mind this
was ten years ago and that the boy might have
grown up, but he like most of us have, but
he got into trouble for doing things like charges of

(32:19):
drink driving, two counts of burglary, one of theft, appearing
in the court for that kind of thing. So they've
got problems with it. Tickle Morgan has come out today
been asked about the successor and whether it would come
from to Hasier's family, and he said that is not
our choice, meaning why cuttle Tai Nui, which suggests that
why cuttle Tai Nui does not want the successor to

(32:40):
come from within the family. So this all feels like
it's going to be slightly problematic. As I say, we'll
have a chat to shake the poe about that. Shortly.
It'll be with us ten past five coming up right now,
We've got the news and then we're cracking into the
polkin Corn trial. Newstoks that best.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
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Speaker 1 (33:26):
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Speaker 2 (33:37):
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Speaker 3 (33:41):
So to the polking Horn murder trial. Today is the
first day of the defense for Philip Poulkinghorn. The first
witness called was Pauline Hannah's sister Tracy, who said she
believes that Pauline Hannah committed suicide. Now the Crown has
argued that Philip Poulkinghorn killed his wife and staged it
as a suicide. In April twenty twenty one, Herald Court
reporter Craig Capitanna's with us now, Hey Craig. What did

(34:02):
Ron Mansfield mean when he told the jury that this
is not the perfect murder?

Speaker 16 (34:07):
He was basically saying to the jury, look, you have
two choices here. It's either were murder or a suicide.
But if this was a murder, it would have had
to have been the perfect murder to have left no
forensic evidence inside the house. Sort of outsmarted two pathologists
earlier in the trial. There were two pathologists who said
basically that they could only tell that she had died
from quote, de compression, so they couldn't say for certain
whether it was hanging or strangulation. And circumstantial cases a

(34:30):
lot a lot times they'll have prosecutors say something along
the lines of either he's guilty or simply be a
muppiest man in the world to have all these random,
suspicious things happened against him. So this is basically Ron
Mansfield kind of turning things on their head, saying either
he's not guilty or he's committed the perfect murder.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
What did Pauline, Hannah's sister say when she.

Speaker 16 (34:53):
Appeared, Well, the main thing we learned today was that
sometime in the early nineties, after the death of their father,
pulling hands supposedly told her that she had attempted suicide
during kind of in the heat of the moment during
an argument the farmstead in Hawk's Bay. The defense had
mentioned this earlier in the trial during cross examination of
another witness, but this is the first time George heard

(35:15):
it directly from the source.

Speaker 11 (35:18):
It's also the.

Speaker 16 (35:18):
First time they kind of got a feeling for this
painful family risked with her on one side and her
brother just fine for the crown.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
Yeah, very much. Now it's being confirmed that Philip Polkinhorn
himself is not going to take the stand. How did
Ron Mansfield explain that?

Speaker 16 (35:34):
Yeah, he basically said police, I've already kind of had
the shot at his client and they kind of did
him dirty the first time, so he's not going to
let it happen again. George, earlier in the trial, had
already watched the video interview that they did with him
just a couple hours after his wife's death. He didn't
realize at the time that he was a suspect, so

(35:54):
he was unguarded and formal, his lawyer said, not realizing
that quote's going to be broadcast to the nation later on.
She's referring to this trial. Yeah, he said, basically, any
testimony that he gave on the stand now would be
a distraction because it would allow prosecutors to build more
into a sex life and drug use, and says that's
not really relevant to the cold heart evidence in this trial.

(36:15):
Of course, prosecutors would probably strongly disagree with that contention, Craig.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
One of the surprises in the last few days was
that Medisine Ashton, the mistress, was on the witness list
for the prosecution, but didn't appear. Did we learn why.

Speaker 16 (36:29):
No, I have to be very guarded. I can't say
anything that's not said to the jury, but I can't
tell you that. The jury is also curious about this.
They sent out a message to the judge earlier today
asking why she hasn't testified when she was on the list,
and the judge basically said, look, you have all the
evidence before you. I can't comment on that. You just

(36:51):
kind of have to take it as it is. But
you can't use that to infer anything as well. It's
just what it is.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
And is it the first day that Philip Polkinghorn's kids
were actually there?

Speaker 11 (37:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (37:02):
I believe so. I'm in an odd position in the
court rewinded. Don't get a look behind me too often,
but it did seem that that was the first day there.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
Craig, it's good to talk to you. Thank you very much,
really appreciated, Craig Captain, the Herald's court reporter, and sorry
about the quality of the line. It's coming up eleven
past five for sel. Tributes have flowed for the Mardi
King on his death, including from King Charles King you
too hates. He had died peacefully this morning. He had
been in hospital recovering from heart surgery. Now, Shank the
Poe is a political commentator with us. Now, hey, Shane
killed her sha fair day. Did we know that he

(37:36):
wasn't well?

Speaker 9 (37:37):
Well, Look, he'd looked frail, but he'd been traveling quite
a bit. I think he was in Paris at the
Olympic Games, not that long ago. But he did look
frail and apparently just reading the newspapers. This thetery he
went in full scheduled surgery.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Who takes over from him, now, Shane.

Speaker 9 (37:55):
Well that'll be interesting. Then that'll be a very because
if we remember correct, he didn't know that he was
going to be the king until a few days before
his mother passed away. I think that it's likely to
be one of the children. I've noticed hither that his
daughter has has been with him a lot. I understand

(38:15):
that she's the most fluent in that ear and is
very steeped in in the tick on us, so it
could well be her. But you know, that's a decision
that Tai and the king makers will make over the
next few days.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
Yeah, who gets to make this call.

Speaker 9 (38:32):
There's a council, not only tiny Tyery Canoe, but Mary
leaders throughout throughout throughout al and they'll participate in that corridor,
and then they'll come together and the question will be
asked and that ear, do we agree that this person
will be the king or the queen? And they say
I And that's how it will be sorted. Though I'm

(38:55):
not sure what sort of time frame it is. I'm
not an expert, but that's my understanding.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
To go more and has already said having somebody come
from the family is not why cuttle Thai Nui's choice.
Do they have a veto power here or might they
just have to suck it up?

Speaker 9 (39:08):
Well, no, I'm very surprised that till you said that,
but you know he would He's much closer to this
than than you and I am. And you know it
doesn't need to come from the media, Pharo. So yeah,
that'll be interesting if it plays out that way.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
If the air doesn't come from within the family, who
can where can it come from? Literally anywhere?

Speaker 9 (39:30):
Oh well, there has to be someone that is very
knowledgeable and close to Tinyi, Tini, So you know, I'm
not going to pick any names out of the hat. Yeah,
but it will be no doubt it will be somebody
who is known to and is knowledgeable of all things
tiny Shane.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
Thank you for talking us through it. Mate, really appreciate
it that Shane the Poe political commentator.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
Ether do for Sea Elan Well Hooks.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
They regional Counsel's got a sternly worded letter from Sam
and Brown about that carry on with the at the meeting.
Not only did he have a phone call with Heineuai Lmsby,
the chair of the Hawks Bay Regional Council, but he
has also sent Hinuei a letter. It says it is
incredibly disappointed we'll managed to get our hands on it.
By the way, y That's why I'm reading it to you, Yay.
It's incredibly disappointing to see Hawks Bay Regional Council appear

(40:18):
to celebrate individuals who openly flout the law. The posting
of these photos undermines public confidence in the Council's commitment
to upholding the law and maintaining a safe and respectful
environment for residents in hawks Bay. New Zealanders, including the
ratepayers of hawks Bay, rightfully expect their representatives to adhere
to the highest standards of conduct. You have assured me
that the Council regrets what has happened, and I trust

(40:40):
that you will take immediate steps to prevent any recurrence
of such incidents and ensure that all future council activities
uphold the law. And I look forward to your response.
I can tell you what they're doing already at hawks
Bay Regional Council. They're gonna put up some signs. They've
got some signs they're going to put up. It says
gang insigniaire is not allowed in the building. They have said,
might need some police support around non compliance. Yes, that's

(41:04):
generally how it works, because yes, I think we know
that gang members not really super responsive to signs. I
don't know about you. I don't know about your experience
with gang members but rules are not really a thing
with those guys, So good luck with the signs. But yes,
you're going to need the coppers. Could I told you
that age is I go quarter past here. Maybe TV
and Z could stop purchasing expensive sports programs and competing

(41:25):
with Sky because that will be costing a fortune. Actually,
we're going to talk to TV and z's boss about
what their plans are to try and save this business.
She's with us, Jody O'Donnell after six o'clock right now,
it's coming up eighteen past five.

Speaker 11 (41:35):
Now.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
The police have confirmed that they will start reducing the
number of mental health callouts that they attend, and it's
going to start happening from November. They're still going to
go to call outs that have an immediate threatening element
to life and safety, but everything else has now got
to be dealt with by more appropriate services. The Minister
for Mental Health Mat Doosey is with us.

Speaker 17 (41:53):
Hey, Matt, morning, oh afternoon neither yes.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
Long day obviously long day. Who are these more appropriate services?

Speaker 11 (42:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (42:03):
I just want to correct you bit the heather. The
change from a police lead triple one mental health crisis
call out response to a multi agency response is a
larger program of work, a three to five year program
between police and health. What we've announced today is a
change in mental health response change program that kicks off

(42:26):
on the first in November, and there's some specific changes
or rebalancing. So, for instance, the first thing to be
focused on is when police bring in people in mental
health crisis for voluntary assessment. So the first piece of
work is just streamlining that process with an ned that
through the streamlining will prioritize those patients, which will allow

(42:48):
police to go back out onto the beat a lot quicker.
So what we've done is set out some key tasks
over about an eight month period where we'll change the
thresholds on some very specific activity. But just be very clear,
police will be responding. I want to thank them for
the great work. But the wider view is clearly, when
you have a mental health crisis calling up one one one,

(43:11):
you should get a mental health response, not a criminal
justice response.

Speaker 18 (43:15):
No totally.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
But who does this mental health response?

Speaker 17 (43:18):
Well, what we're moving towards is what called a multi
agency response. And the reason we call it that is
primarily when you are in a mental health distress crisis,
if there is a risk to the individual or safety
of others. Clearly police will respond, but in a mental
health crisis, it could be better for what we're calling
a co response team, which is pairing up mental health

(43:40):
professionals and police. But what's interesting in the data matching
that we're doing in the first year, when police are
coding what's called one M calls for mental health, that's
become a catch all. So what's happening now is some
people are calling up Triple one because of loneliness, a
relationship break down, financial pressures, and clearly that could be

(44:03):
a specific social response in itself. So that's why we're
building up the picture to ultimately move to a multi
agency response.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
Okay, So am I right in thinking that from what
you're telling me, we are still years away from when
you see somebody walking down the road causing trouble and
you're worried about them and it's obviously a mental health crisis.
We are still years away from not calling the cops.
At the moment, we still continue to call the cops.

Speaker 17 (44:26):
Yeah, So myself and Mark Mitchell took a paper on
this to pabnet in about May will be reporting back
at the end of the year, and because of issues
like mental health workforce development. That will be a significant
piece of work from three to five years. But if
you look at what's been announced today for the first
of November, there'll be streamlining of processes in the ED

(44:48):
for voluntary mental health assessments. There'll be a higher threshold
for transportation of mental health patients, specifically within mental health
FATH facility. So these are some of the smaller areas
that we can assist police to get back on the beat.
But the wider issue you talk about is a three
to five year play.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
Good stuff, Hey, Matt, thank you very much, really appreciate that.
Matt Doocy, the Minister for Mental Health. Now Tim Brown,
former Phoenix player, former All Whites player, the dude who
started the All Birds, he has bought into this Auckland
FC club, right the new football club. I think he's
bought a very small stake because like one point five
six percent or something like that, compared to for example,

(45:31):
Ali Williams and Animobray have bought something like fifteen percent.
But regardless, he's brought into Auckland's club when he used
to play for Wellington's clubs. We're going to talk to him.
He's in San Francisco and is very kindly given us
some of his time. He's going to be with us
in quarter of an hour, five twenty two.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Duper c
Allen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and
news dogs.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
That'd be the stern letter that sime and Center the
council was not going far enough their vote should be
invalidated due to the clear evidence present of a risk
of intimidation of those in the room. Gang Insignaire isn't
banned for esthetic reasons. It's banned because of any because
of the intimateary effect. I think the real intimidatary effect.
I think the reason Simeon can only go as far
as he's gone is because that is as far as
he's gone as he can go, he can't and validate

(46:15):
their vote. I mean, there's no evidence that the gang
members are intimidating. I think he's probably taken it as
far as he can, you know, just by tuttuching like
an angry dad. I think it's fine. I think we're
starting to form a very clear picture of Hawks Bay
Regional Council, aren't we. Five twenty five.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Now.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
Look, I've really tried overnight to convince myself that Auckland
Council did the right thing yesterday by limiting the alcohol sales,
and just when I thought I had, I got talked
out of it immediately. I just can't convince myself that
this was the right thing to do. I don't think
it's going to work. So what Auckland Council did yesterday
is they voted for two changes. The first is that
Aucklanders will not be able to buy booze after nine

(46:54):
in Auckland, and the second is that they're basically the
council not going to allow any new booze shops Auckland
and West Auckland and the central city, which are the
problem areas. So if you live in any of these places,
very paternalistic now, bless because their hearts are in the
right place. I mean, they do want to stop the
absolute booze hags being able to buy any more grog

(47:15):
when they're already smashed at nine o'clock and think that
drinking more is a great idea. I get that, but
I actually think they're going about this the wrong way.
I mean, what difference does it really make whether there
is one booze shop in your suburb or twenty booze
shops in your suburb, it's not going to change the
number of people who are smashed, and it's not going
to change the level to which they're smashed. Just because

(47:35):
there are twenty boo shops does not make them any
more smashed. Right, you can buy as much booze from
one as you need, never mind the others. So i
just can't see how having more places to buy booze
from makes a difference. And I'm also not convinced that
cutting off booze at nine is actually going to prevent problems.
People will simply adjust. They will just get there before
nine so that they can get their booze and they
can pile it, and maybe for a few weeks it'll

(47:56):
be a bit of a surprise that everything's closed at nine,
But after that they'll get used to it. We saw
this in action in the six o'clock squill Right, people
just change their behavior to suit the available hours. Meanwhile,
all it's going to do is it's going to punish
the people who are behaving responsibly, the tourists who's just
landed from overseas and wants a bottle of wine for
the hotel room, or the shift worker who wants to
get a six pack on the way home. One liquor
store in Mount Wellington reckons they make forty percent of

(48:18):
their sales after nine o'clock at night, and mostly it's
from shift workers. Like I say, I can't criticize Auckland
Council for what they're trying to do. I feel like
their hearts are in the right place. I just feel
like they're dealing with the wrong end of this problem.
Supply is not the issue. Demand is the issue. If
you've got people with drinking problems demanding booze, they will
get it no matter what you do to stop them.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Heather do for see Allen.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
Yeah, the sports titles with us shortly, and we're going
to have to talk about the Leon McDonald's situation. The
All Blacks are trying very hard not to talk about Leon,
like just it didn't happen, It wasn't there, it was
a dream. They just want to do that. But Caleb
Clark has come out and said he feels so sorry
for Leon. He's reached out to him to make sure
he's okay, and he is jet to sport huddle.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Shortly the day's newsmakers talk to Heather first. Heather Duplessy
Allen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected news
talk zed be.

Speaker 11 (49:13):
I remember when we were driving.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Driving in your car, speed's a fast Feller car.

Speaker 10 (49:20):
Seriously before it's in your arm.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
Fell Jedie O'Donnell, who's TV's it's chief executive, is going
to be with us. After six we had the sports
huddle standing by to talk about everything including the dropping
the dropping off the boat by the crane on the concrete.
Heather nanaiah Ma Hootera is next in line. Next Marty Queen.
You heard it here first. That's from Anthony, not the
first time I've heard that, and actually also from at

(49:47):
least one source who may be sort of like close
ish to knowing what's going on. It's not the craziest
idea actually that you've ever heard, because Nanaya comes from
that part of the world. She comes from two dungawai
Wai is her I think a term at I close
to the family. She's got Mona. She really in the
last to improved herself to be quite an advocate for Mardy.

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She pushed it really hard she doesn't have a job,
and if she's the queen, she doesn't have travel. She
doesn't like to travel, So who knows it wouldn't be
the craziest idea twenty four away from six now, All
Birds founder and former All Whites footballer Tim Brown has
brought into the New Auckland FC, a league franchise. He's
taken a one point five percent a one point five
six percent stake in the club, alongside former All Whites

(50:31):
Winston Reed and Noah Hicky and Tim Brown's in San Francisco.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Hay, Tim, how are you doing?

Speaker 14 (50:36):
Tim?

Speaker 3 (50:36):
I'm well, But how have you changed loyalties like this?
He used to play for the Phoenix Man.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Yeah, well I did.

Speaker 12 (50:42):
Yeah in My family's still in Wellington and I grew
up in Wellington. But look, the opportunity came when I
met Bill Foley a number of months ago and I
jumped on it. Look, I think this is about New Zealand.
It's about New Zealand sport. It's about one of the
biggest cities in the world that doesn't you'd have a
professional football team, and it's so exciting and it's really

(51:03):
a privilege to be a part of it.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
Do you do you reckon that this could turn into
something bigger than the Phoenix has managed to turn into
in Wellington.

Speaker 11 (51:13):
I think so, yeah, I think so.

Speaker 12 (51:15):
I mean, you know, it's immense club initially and then
it'll be a women's club, you know. I think there's
so much potential for the sport of football to connect
into Asia and into the world. I think coming off
the Olympics, you know, anyone who doesn't understand the power
of sport, you know, to connect people and for it

(51:35):
to be a way that New Zealand values are exported
to the world, I don't think they're looking at this
the right way. And certainly someone who lives in America.
You know, the Football World Cup's going to be here
in twenty twenty six, the Olympics in twenty twenty eight,
the Rugby World Cup in twenty thirty one, so you know,
sported its best does some great stuff for us. And
then on a grassroots level, you know, there's forty odd

(51:56):
thousand young kids playing soccer you know every weekend in
Orcyland and seveney odd clubs, and then the rivalry with
Wellington is only going to be a good thing. So
I see nothing but good coming from this.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
But okay, so what do you think is the secret
ingredient that makes the Auckland club bigger than the Phoenix?
Is it, Bill Foley? Is it the size of Auckland?

Speaker 1 (52:15):
What is it?

Speaker 11 (52:16):
Well?

Speaker 12 (52:17):
Nothing yet it hasn't played a game. And Wellington I
know I've played for them, has done a great job
and last year on the field performed really really well.
I mean, I think what Bill Foley brings first of
all is a deep love for New Zealand and he's
also got a really extraordinary expertise in building successful clubs.

Speaker 11 (52:38):
The Las Vegas Golden.

Speaker 12 (52:39):
Knights is the ice hockey team in the NAHL, arguably
one of the most successful new franchises in American sport,
which is saying something. No one thought that ice hockey
could work in the desert, and he bought it there
and then won a Stanley Cup in the third or
fourth season, and it's now one of the most valuable
franchises in that league. What he's done with Bourne, with
in the Premier League and then now growing network of

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football clubs around the world in France and Scotland and
other places. You know, it's a really amazing opportunity for
young Kiwi boys and girls and players to have an
opportunity at this club and hopefully take their talents around
the world on the back of it.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
I got to ask you about All Birds. Do you
have much confidences can turn around? I'm getting a bit worried.

Speaker 19 (53:25):
Good pivot, I really do?

Speaker 11 (53:30):
You know?

Speaker 12 (53:30):
People forget that All Birds is not even ten years old.
But before it became a business in San Francisco, you know,
I know personally it was a bad idea for a
long time. And yeah, people came out of the woodwork
to say it would never work, and then we had
a glorious run and then now we're back in another
chapter where people are doubting it. Look, we just came

(53:53):
out of a board meeting today. There's so many good
things happening. There's a lot of work to do, but gosh,
the comeback would would be really lovely.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
But I believe it can happen.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
Are you guys preparing though, for the chance of dlisting?

Speaker 12 (54:08):
No?

Speaker 3 (54:09):
Right, so you're confidence of what it'll stay on the NASDAC, Yes,
I love the confidence. Tim, Thank you very much, really
appreciate your time, mate and thing. Thank you for coping
with that pivot. That's Tim Brown, All Birds founder and
former All Whites footballer. It's nineteen away from five.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
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Speaker 17 (54:37):
The winner of the gold medal and the twenty twenty
four AIG Women's Open champion is Lvia Comee. The crane
has dropped the boat basically, in simple terms, it's at
the cradle probably from about twenty feet three four.

Speaker 18 (54:53):
Oh.

Speaker 17 (54:54):
Stop it is, I said, I wasn't going to complain.
It is probably the where's call of the season.

Speaker 19 (55:01):
Sam has been incredible off the field for us and
there's an opportunity for him to be tis fishing bitching
we need in the hotel.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
Sports tittle this evening, Elliott Smith Newstalks, he'd be rugby
commentator in joe Berg and Nikki steyras sports journalist. Hello
you too, good elliot. What's the time in joe Burg?

Speaker 20 (55:20):
It just gone half past seven in the morning, so
Brad nearly and that before game day looking forward to it.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
You've been robbed yet.

Speaker 20 (55:27):
Not yet, So every day I talk it up on
the board and say thank you for that. No, look,
I'm thank you. Loving it here. I mean, you know
you've got to take the track. The restrictions is as
you know hither and you know, pretty stick close to
your hotel as much as you can, but your hot scenery.

Speaker 11 (55:42):
But it's good. What was that where they put you?

Speaker 3 (55:46):
Where's your hotel?

Speaker 11 (55:48):
We're in Santon.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
Oh, everybody goes to Santon, but that's it's like a
fifteen minute trip in Tallis Park, isn't it.

Speaker 17 (55:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (55:55):
I haven't been as yet, so keeping that one to
a game day?

Speaker 3 (55:57):
Yeah, so have you got armored vehicle? Was like, what
are you doing? You're not just going to be honing
down in a taxi, are you?

Speaker 11 (56:04):
No, we're still well.

Speaker 20 (56:05):
Yeah, I wanted to don't want to give away my
security arrangements, but yeah, we'll figure it out.

Speaker 11 (56:12):
I don't worry. Don't worry about that.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
Nick. Have you ever been there? I have.

Speaker 18 (56:16):
Actually I was there when the Black Cats played South
Africa and the protest and I'm not gonna lie I was.
I was sort of I was terrifying, yeah, because I sort.

Speaker 8 (56:28):
Of didn't know what I could and couldn't do.

Speaker 18 (56:29):
And I basically was just like I felt like I
was in prison. I was just stuck in the hotel thinking, oh,
I can't go out, I can't do anything. I'm going
to be murdered. Of course I wasn't murder because I
wouldn't be talking to you today. But I don't know
how things have changed. But yes, I have definitely been there.
But I'm a little bit jealous of Elliott right now.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
Ellia's doing a good job.

Speaker 11 (56:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
Actually I almost got carjacked when I was there, so
I might tell that story later on. But anyway, listen,
I want to talk about the America's Cup, Nikki. So
the America's Cup boat got dropped by the crane. Are
we stuffed or is it going to be fine?

Speaker 12 (57:00):
Oh?

Speaker 18 (57:00):
No, look it'll be fine. I think the good thing
about it is when these things happen and you've got
time on your side. You know, they've got an amazing
crew of people and they will get that boat tie
Hordle back up and running in time for the October
America's Cup. What it does tell me, though, is it
just shows the vulnerability of these vessels, you know, like

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they are so fragile, they are so finely tuned. You
are only allowed one of them, so you don't need
to stuff it up, and you would have to sit
there and say, well, if it does drop, you know,
if it does drop off its foils, if it does capsize,
if it's sabotaged, whatever, this whole America's Cup can be
turned on its head, you know, very quickly. And it
makes me a little bit nervous about that going forward.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
Right, Elliott, how do you drop? How does a crane
drop a boat?

Speaker 11 (57:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (57:48):
You think this would be that the one thing that
you would make sure would not absolutely happen. Look, accidents
do happen, I guess, but a crane dropping a boat
just seems like one of those ones that you'd be
ultimately protected against if you were Team New Zealand. And
look at this is you know, the right timing is,
as Nicki said, around this because they're only in the
Louis Vaitton series, it doesn't really matter how they race

(58:10):
in these ones. It's the America's Cup officially that counts
in a month or so's time. So timing is everything.
But let's just hope the damage isn't too bad. You
think back to the last time around and American Magic,
who had that massive hole ripped in the side of
the vessel, and basically that was put to their America's
Cup dream really, so hopefully they get in there and

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figure out the damage isn't too bad and they can
get on the water again in a few days time.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
Yeah, hopefully So all right, guys, we have to talk
about the All Blacks chances of Dallas Park. We'll do
that next quarter two.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
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Speaker 3 (58:47):
With Elliot Smith and Nicky Styris. Elliott, what do you reckon?
How do you rate our chances against the spring Box?

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Oh?

Speaker 20 (58:54):
I think the All Blacks are certainly underdogs for this match.
Home advantage for the spring Box have improved since last
year's World Cup. I think the All Blacks still finding
their feet under the new coaching regime, and we probably
haven't seen the game plan or the breakout performance apart
from maybe that one against Argentina, ecause you've met Eden
Park that you'd want to see from this All Blacks team.
So it is a daunting trip at the best of times,

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and when South Africa is in the kind of form
that they are, They've added plenty of new things under
Russia Rasmus since he's taken back charge of the team
proper Tony Brown, the former All Black, adding.

Speaker 11 (59:27):
His touch as the attack coach.

Speaker 20 (59:28):
So they're definitely only improved South Africa and have built
since last year's Will Kappa wouldn't rule the All Blacks out,
but I certainly think they're going into this game is
underdogs and need to deliver a pretty special performance to
get the win on Sunday morning.

Speaker 18 (59:40):
Your time makes it exciting a Nikki, Oh look, I
think however, you look at this match, it is mouthwatering
Rassie versus Razor. I mean what more could you ask?
It's a World Cup rematch that we haven't seen obviously
since the World Cup. You know, we only lost by
one point to them. We've only lost one last three
out of the four head to head. It's going to

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be really close, So you can't You're not going to
get a better lineup than this. What I would say is,
I think the only thing really going in the favor
of the All Blacks is the long list of injuries
that perhaps the spring Box have suffered. Yes, they've got
Xbith back on the bench, but they do have a
big casualty ward. I think if the All Blacks can
nullify the box more, they're going to be in with

(01:00:21):
a good chance. You know they've got to beat them
up front. Tomsie Williams, Cody Taylor, Torolo Max. They've got
a big job on their hands. But you know I've
got that alarm set Heather Bet you haven't. No, Oh,
hell no, because.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
You've got a toddler.

Speaker 8 (01:00:36):
I don't have a toddler.

Speaker 16 (01:00:37):
I'm free this week.

Speaker 11 (01:00:38):
I don't even have anybody home.

Speaker 18 (01:00:39):
I might as well watch it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
What happened to your whole family? Where have they gone?

Speaker 18 (01:00:43):
Oh? One's gone to Hamilton to meet the boyfriend and
the other one's gone on a golf trip to do it.

Speaker 6 (01:00:48):
So how good?

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
Cardier?

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Your place?

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
Wait for those days where you just don't have to
be up to make sure that somebody's alive. Do you
know what I mean? Listen this business with the Bunker? Ali,
do you even get the chance to watch the Warriors?

Speaker 5 (01:01:01):
When you do?

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
They even play the Warriors over there?

Speaker 11 (01:01:04):
No, there's no sign of the NRAL, doesn't doesn't seem
to exist here.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
What happened to sound.

Speaker 11 (01:01:11):
The Bunker is a flawed concept.

Speaker 20 (01:01:14):
I think, honestly, I've been sort of trying to advocate
for the removal of all TMO and sport. I think
that's the way forward. I think we've gone far too
far in one direction. I think I'd be willing to
change it. I don't think the Warriors get a raw
deal from the referees. I think that in all honestly,
the refereeing standard in the NRL is just very, very poor,
and so I think that's the problem. It's poor across.

(01:01:35):
If you watch some of the other games across the weekend,
there are some dreadful calls. So I think removing the
bunker would be the first step. But I don't think
the Warriors get a raw deal from the referees per se.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
Is this even a bunker problem, Nikki, because surely the
ref standing right there watching RTS stumble around on his
feet is more than capable of seeing something just happened.

Speaker 13 (01:01:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:01:55):
Look, I don't normally like to agree with the person
I'm talking with, but I have to agree with Elliott
on this occasion because he's spot on the actual standard
of refereeing is not up to it, and unfortunately the
bunker isn't up to it either. If you're going to
use technology, it has to be objective and they have
to get the decision right, and they are failing in this.

(01:02:17):
You cannot use subjective opinion within the use of technology,
So you cannot use mitigating circumstances. For instance, you can't
sit there and say that Sam Kaine's infringement was worse
than Sir Calisis and use mitigating circumstances. It must be
completely objective, so that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
And knock to the head, regardless of how it happened,
is a knock to the head and gets punished.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Correct.

Speaker 18 (01:02:39):
If you're going to use technology, use it what it's
there for. It shows you the infringent frame by frame. Okay,
it is not subjective. It shouldn't be subjective, and unfortunately
I think that subjectivity has come into the bunker and
it's not right. Take all that aside, though, the NRL
bunker is atrocious.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
Yeah, I mean, Aliet, this is why we like cricket
because you either struck the battle you didn't. You either
struck the pad or you didn't. You got caught or
you didn't. There's none others fluffing around nonsense that Nick's
talking about.

Speaker 20 (01:03:09):
No, And I think cricket's the one sport where it
probably has got it as about as close to ride
as you will possibly get it. Yeah, and cricket, I
mean the hawky thing is that you know is not
entirely perfect. It's around perceived direction or predicted direction of
the of the ball and to the pad, et cetera.
But I think it's one of the sports where it's
closest to being correct. Run out not out, but it's
quick at You know, Rugby and rugby league have gone

(01:03:30):
in the search of perfection from the TMO, and there's
some sort of misguided belief that technology makes everything perfect
and you'll get one hundred percent. At the end of
the day, it's just another human sitting in a box.
They're just not at the ground. And so everyone thinks
this technology system of the bunker or the TMO is
going to make things one hundred percent perfect. You're striving perfection.

(01:03:51):
You're never going to get it. It's just another layer
of human eyes. And I think if you strip it
back that might be the answer.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
Hey, look after you guys, Thank you both of you
and Elliott. Please take care out there and try to
get home safely. Elliott Smith News Talks he'd be rugby
commentator in Joe bugginneerest commentary the All Black spring Box
Test live and free from three am on Sunday morning
on News Talk, Gold Sport and iHeartRadio, and then Nikki
Sarus obviously wonderful sports journalists seven away from six upon.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
Your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in your
car on your drive home, Heather duper c Allen drive
with one New Zealand one Giant Leap for Business News
Talk as z BE.

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
I wasn't expecting an actual engineering like technical answer to
this question, but here we go. Hither you asked, how
does a crane drop a boat when lifting something? If
it doesn't have lifting lugs eyes, then you usually have
to use slings. Improper positioning all crane lifting can cause
items to slip out of the slings. Shouldn't happen, but
sometimes it does. She's I mean, that's a lot worse
than dropping that old Rugby trophy on the concrete floor

(01:04:46):
and Hawks Bay, isn't it. Everybody saw this one anyway,
great news for people planning on going to prison anytime soon.
They might be able to have a beard in there.
I didn't realize this, but if you go to prison
and you're on remand awaiting trial. You are not allowed
to grow a beard at the moment, and not unless
you've got explicit permission from I think like the prison
manager or something like that, which is weird that they

(01:05:09):
would have an interest in what's going on in your face.
But anyway, Corrections has now decided it might change the
rules because they're saying that evidential identification processes nowadays, as
in like other ways of identifying people DNA and stuff
like that, means that you probably don't need your remand
prisoner to look exactly where they're at trial exactly like
they did when they committed the alleged allegedly committed the crime.

(01:05:32):
So they could probably grow themselves a beard and stuff
like grow the hair out, do whatever they want to,
you know, get that mullet. They've always been wanting to
know that they've got all this time on their hands
and they reckon. Part of the reason is because you
remember the why Katy a Riots, part of that was
because of rules that didn't make any sense to the prisoners.
So they maybe will change it. So they have released
a consultation document looking for feedback and public submissions on

(01:05:52):
that close September thirty, so if you've got very strong
feelings about what should be happening with the old face
business in the jails, go for your life. If you're bored,
go for your life. More things, more signs that things
are on the improve. The am Z Roy Morgan Consumer
Confidence Index rose this month. Yes, I will take that,
thank you very much. So we've had the business confidence

(01:06:14):
go up, the consumer confidence go up, the ocr come down,
the mortgage traits come down. It's all good. It only
went up five points to the consumer confidence is still
well below average levels for the past decade. But it's
a hell of a lot worse than it was when
it was at its worst point. And people went asked
if they expected to be better off next year, and
net seventeen percent said yes. I think we all would

(01:06:35):
answer yes August next year, are all going to be
better off. I'll tell you my carjacking story in the
next half hour. A next up the boss of TV
and Z on where they're going to cut news togs,
it beat, that's the beasts.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
What what's down? What we're to make your calls and
how will it affect the economy?

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
Business questions on the Business Hour, we're the duplicyl and
my Hr on News Talk SEB.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
Even in coming up in the next hour, the Canadians
are the latest to announce huge tariffs on Chinese ev imports.
Peter Lewis on that we're going to wrap the political
that the week that was with Barry Soaper and Gavin
Gray will be with us out of the UK. It's
coming up eight past six. Tv and Z has had
the tough financial year that we expected that they would.
They have plunged to a net loss of eighty five
million dollars for the year to June. The state broadcaster

(01:07:25):
is bleeding cash, declining revenues and high costs to to blame,
and even after acting Sunday and fair Go earlier in
the year, it's still having to find more savings to
the tune of thirty million dollars and fast. Jody O'Connell
O'Donnell Ruther is TVNZ's chief chief executive. Hey, Jody, this
is massive, isn't it.

Speaker 21 (01:07:44):
It is a big glass.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
Yes, it would be even if it was just a
one off it would be a big loss. But you
have to find another thirty millionaires, we've said, and you
need to do it fast. How fast?

Speaker 21 (01:07:54):
Well, whilst it's a big gloss Heather. We're indicated two
months ago that it would be significant, And just before
I answered that first question, just kind of to break
down the loss. Whilst's an eighty five million dollar loss overall,
that's an EBIT loss of twenty eight point five million
dollars and a sixty two million non cash and payment.
So what that means in terms of cash in the
bank is that we've depleted our cash reserves by seven

(01:08:16):
point four million dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
Yeah, which means you've got a fair amount still in there.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
How fast do you need to find the thirty.

Speaker 21 (01:08:22):
Mil Well, what we signaled is we need to find
it in the next twelve months. So if we did nothing,
I'd be sitting here in twelve months time and having
a similar conversation around what an end of year result
would be. So that's why I've been really transparent and
publicly said with our people that we need to find
a thirty million dollars earnings gap, which is either an
increase of revenue of thirty million dollars or a savings

(01:08:43):
of cost for thirty million dollars, or a combination of
those things.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
What's going on is the advertising revenue just falling again.

Speaker 21 (01:08:49):
The market has been really hot, and particularly in the
television market, so we've seen significant declines in our linear
TV revenue, but the green shoots are in our digital
platform TVs Plus, so we've had an eight percent revenue
growth in that space, and we know that that's actually
really strong in this market.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
Okay, how are you going to find this money? Because
I mean, I see that you cutting the programs, which
you've done only saved you ten million, So that looks
to me like you're going to have to do another
round of this.

Speaker 21 (01:09:14):
The ten million dollar costs that we saved over the
last twelve months with a combination of things. So yes,
there was the people changes and the program changes, but
there was also other things that we'd made earlier in
the year. So what we're doing is we're at the
idea stage. We're asking for all of our staff to
present ideas to us that either increase our revenue or
decrease our costs.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
Can you rule out cutting programs.

Speaker 21 (01:09:36):
I can't rule anything out.

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
Can you rule out cutting staff?

Speaker 21 (01:09:39):
I can't rule any of that out.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
Everything is on the table.

Speaker 21 (01:09:41):
There are no decisions that have been made. We are
only at the idea stage.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
I mean, do you even have that many more programs
to cut that are locally made and that are that expensive.

Speaker 21 (01:09:48):
We spend over half of our content budget on local
content across news and current affairs and also local shows.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
And how much more expensive it is it than just
buying something from overseas.

Speaker 21 (01:09:58):
Well, there's no exact science in terms of how much
more expensive local content is, but it can be anywhere
between five and ten times more expensive than a piece
of international contents.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
Okay, so this is where you make your savings as
you cut the local stuff. All right, are you seeing
any indication that the advertising market is starting to pick
up or is it just that it's still falling. It's
just not falling as fast.

Speaker 21 (01:10:21):
It's still falling, but it's just not falling, Jody.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
How long is it going to fall for?

Speaker 21 (01:10:25):
I think at least to the next of the end
of this calendar year. Yeah, but within that I will
say again, our digital revenue is growing and we've only
just started our new financial year. But it's double digit gross.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
I mean, this is pittons compared to what you make
off the big TV advertising, right, So what's going on?

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (01:10:40):
It is, but it does support our strategy in the
sense that actually this is the right strategy in terms
of Digital Plus. We can see that there is a
path to profitability, and so that's now we need to
really double down this year and transform the organization as
quickly as we can and shift all of those costs
out of our broadcast part of the business and shift
them into our digital plasus.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
Are you sure that what you're seeing in the fall
off and advertising on tally is not forever?

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
Are you sure it's going to plateau and recover ever again?

Speaker 21 (01:11:07):
Well, there's two things that give me hope. Those two
things are that where the Audience's report came out this
week and actually pointed really clearly that New Zealanders love
watching TV. In fact, sixty percent of all New Zealanders
are still watching TV every single day. The second thing
was just last night we had Day one of the
Paralympics and over a million people tuned into TVNZ one
to watch that. Yeah, so that makes it clear that

(01:11:29):
actually we absolutely do have the content and as long
as the strategy is implemented, well, then I do see
your way through this.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
Okay, So if you put a paywall on TVNZ plus,
which just clearly what you're planning to do. How much
would people pay for what you're selling.

Speaker 21 (01:11:42):
That's one of the options that we're looking at, and I.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
Think would be the same as Netflix.

Speaker 21 (01:11:46):
I think we'd need to test and learn. To be honest,
I'm not sure there's a enough scale in this market
to be there for there to be multiple subscription services.
But I do think there might be opportunities on a
pay per view option or for specific con So there's
a raft of options that we could look at in
that space. But clearly we have to divest far revenue.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
Right, So you might sell me a rugby game for
twenty bucks, let's just say, rather than me subscribing to
your sports content across the year.

Speaker 21 (01:12:10):
That's one of the options.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
Yes, yeah, And are you sure about the sports play, Jody,
It's freaking me out. Sport is expensive.

Speaker 21 (01:12:17):
Sport is expensive, and clearly we will only be able
to operate in the sports space if it's commercially viable.
So we know Key's love it, we know it's what
brings them into platforms, so we absolutely want to get
amongst it. But from that perspective, we have to make
commercial decisions around you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:31):
Do you know what I watched Colin from Accounts on TVMZ.
Isn't that awesome? Fantastic? Why did I not know you've
got this good content? Well, you have so much good content.
You've got the Priscilla movie. Where's the advertising? Where's the marketing?

Speaker 21 (01:12:43):
One point four million Kries are watching tv Z plus
every week?

Speaker 12 (01:12:46):
Here?

Speaker 21 (01:12:46):
Where have you been?

Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
I don't know on the others? Do you know, like
if I feel like this is your problem? Actually you
have better content than people realize. And I would pay
for it if you charged me.

Speaker 21 (01:12:57):
Okay, excellent, Well we've started to started here to.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
Great Jody, thank you always. I really appreciate it. Time
always for coming in. There's Jody o'donald Tvanz's chief executive. Hey,
I'm on Fletcher quickly. Whoh man, the bad news does
not stop for Fletcher Building. Now they've just been picked
one hundred and sixty eight million dollars for that leaky
pipe issue in Perth. Remember how they were like, that's
not a big deal, Nana, only sixteen million bucks. Maybe
that's like the top end times by ten. Basically, what's

(01:13:26):
happening is they're going Cheresi's with the Western Australian government
to fix this stuff. It's been bursting up in the
ceiling in people's houses. When we in New Zealand have
the pipes downstairs underneath the floor so and cause as
much damage. But in Australia up in the ceiling and
the water goes everywhere. So Fletcher's paying eighty percent. Western
Australia is paying twenty percent to fix the pipes. Got
to repair all the damage that's happened to the house

(01:13:47):
as result of the pipes bursting. And in some cases
while they're doing a full repipe like our full repipe
for the houses, they have to also pay for the
temporary accommodation for the homeowners. Sounds also like there may
be another financial problem, which is class action which is
being taken over it. So yeah, not a fun time
to be working there. Fourteen past six.

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
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Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
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half past six. We'll wrap the political week that was
now with our senior political correspondent, Barry Soaper. Welcome back, Barry,
Hello again here then Okay, Look, hindsight is a beautiful thing.
But in hindsight, so the Greens ever have gone here
with Darlene because this is costing them a lot.

Speaker 14 (01:14:40):
Well, I don't think they certainly could have foreseen what
was going to happen. Yeah, and they you know, the
Greens at nothing else, they represent the underprivileged. And the
allegation here was that and somehow the bike shop that
her husband owned was floiting migrants. Now that is totally

(01:15:03):
against the Green's code of ethics. So I guess they
had to look into it. When they looked into it,
we haven't. I haven't seen the full report. I haven't
read the full report.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
I don't think I don't think it's I think it's
the kind of outcome that they could have gone either
way on, right, because it doesn't prove that she was
involved in it. It just proved that there's a chance
that she knew. But Barry, if they had a chance
to do this again, do you reckon they would try
to kick her out Given the trouble she's causing them.

Speaker 14 (01:15:28):
Well, I think because this was made public, it was
in the public arena, they actually had to do something
and to sit on their hands is they have done
in previous cases and not disciplined members of Parliament. And
the one that springs to mind is the Garriman case.

(01:15:49):
I mean, they knew about that well in advance.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
They It's almost like they were forced to do something
to Darlene given that they had they had dicked around
with so many of their other entries in in the past. Yeah,
I just wonder if they regret it now, because boy,
it's causing them a lot long.

Speaker 14 (01:16:03):
I'm sure they'll regret it, and they'll regret it for
some time to come, because it's not over yet. There's
still a lot of water to go under that particular breakin.

Speaker 3 (01:16:11):
I don't see any problem with getting everybody to pay
the rucks and scrap the fuel tax.

Speaker 14 (01:16:16):
Well, that's right, and plan't pay tolls on roads, of course,
But when you think of the road user charges, it's
a more equitable system because at the moment you've got
high powered, energy efficient cars on the road and you've
got the old bangers that use more fuel. So people

(01:16:36):
that have got the old bangers, and they're normally the
Philly underprivileged. They are paying too much, paying too much
for the petrol. Yeah, and so it is an inequitable system.
But look, road tolling is inevitable. If they want to
get the infrastructure built that they say they're going to
get built, then they need public private partnerships and that's

(01:16:56):
the only way to go. So that means road tolls
as soon as twenty twenty seven, that's only a few
years from now.

Speaker 13 (01:17:05):
They say that.

Speaker 14 (01:17:06):
Fuel tax should be gone, Well, you know that's twelve
cents or seventy five cents a later. At the moment
in twenty twenty seven, it'll be another twelve cents. So
you know it keeps going up, and so will road
user chargers. So the motorists is going to be no
better off. The only way I guess to be better
off is take to the two wheelers by bicycle.

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
Yeah, bicycle, Barry. Do you think just on this Mardi
sovereignty issue and whether the EWE who signed EWE leaders
who signed the treaty in eighteen forty actually seeded sovereignty.
Can you remember a time in your career where you've
had the leaders of the two major parties have completely
opposite views and firm views. Chippy says they didn't seed sovereignty.

(01:17:50):
Hipkins Luxon says they did seed sovereignty. Can you remember
this happening before.

Speaker 14 (01:17:54):
Well, no, it's a very difficult situation for I think
more so for labor because it's the Whitanui Tribunal that
came out with its report that said that the treaty
essentially retained the complete authority over their land and the

(01:18:14):
people and the territories. But that is in dispute because
if you look at the meaning of national sovereignty, that's
the ability of a governor to govern. Now, Mary didn't
in eighteen forty, from my knowledge, say that they wanted
to have a separate government from the crown, and so

(01:18:34):
you know, I think Chris Luxon, even though he was
forced into saying it in Parliament a couple of weeks ago,
said that they did see sovereignty. And it's one of
those arguments that will go on forever. No doubt they
will say that's the Paquia view.

Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
Anybody's going to be convinced to change their view on this. No,
it's one of those ones, right, that's exactly.

Speaker 14 (01:18:57):
But I think it should be settled for once and
for all.

Speaker 11 (01:19:00):
And dear, I say, sorry, we've just.

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
Lost you there, Barry. But anyway, hopefully we'll get you.
We'll try to get Barry back. That's Barry's sober senior
political correspondent, rapping the political week that was hither. Regarding
the gangs, I was driving home today peak our traffickings,
holding a cameraon road with my fifteen year old daughter.
We stopped at the lights. A car full of black
powers in front of us. One of them gets out,
has a whizz on the side of the road, gets
back in the car, lights turn green and we drive off.

(01:19:24):
Thought of calling the cops, then thought, yeah, right, like
they would turn up. Maybe they were on their way
to Totaling a city council for a meeting. That's from Mike.
I don't would you call the cops for a gang
member having a week to be fair, Mark, I mean,
that's just bad behave, that's just bad manners old way
over there wasn't It wasn't raised very well. But no,
you don't want to be wasting the cops time on
a Wii. He wasn't doing anything. They could get up
to a whole lot worse six twenty three.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
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Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
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Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
Talks b here the holy heck you cut Barry off
over you just like see an end. That's right, That's
exactly what happened. We were I was like, I don't
like where he's saying any more. Cut Come on now,
it's a technical issue with the fair and six twenty five,
Oh the carjacking down. Okay, this is why I'm so
worried about Elliott. And I'm serious. I hope that we've
taken out some life insurance on him. Actually while he's

(01:20:18):
in joe Burg. When I went to joe Burg the
very last time, I hate joe Burger. I really I
don't know why people live in a place like joe Burg.
There's no ocean, there's no mountains. Why do you look
like there was once upon a time there was some
guld and so everybody's basically stuck there. Anyway, When I
went to Joeburg years ago for the very last time,
and we'll not be going back there, I was traveling

(01:20:38):
with a husband and a friend. Now, I've been to
Essay lots of times, obviously because that's where my family
comes from on my mom's side, So you got to
go back and do the pilgrimage and stuff. Anyway, the
friend came with us, and my husband said to her,
do you want to see the most dangerous part of
joe Burg? And she was like yes, meaning no, but
he heard yes. So we drove through a place called

(01:20:59):
hell And the trouble is we timed it really badly.
And also he's a key. We driving a car, right,
so you don't drive like you've got to be. You've
got to drive like a Safa. And I will explain
the cin a minute. Anyway, so we're driving through and
we got stuck in a traffic jam in Hellbrow in
rush hour traffic, and this guy in a lorry spots
that I have a cell phone in my hand, and
so I'm trying to hide it in the car. But

(01:21:21):
what I don't realize is my husband sees the guy's
jumped out of the car, out of the lorry and
he's disappeared into the crowd. And next minute, right I'm
all I hear is my husband's window going down and
I looked over. I was like, what the hell are
you doing? Which is the wrong thing to do, just
to an idiot winding down his window in Hillbrow because
he looked at me, which meant that the guy who

(01:21:42):
had indicated there's something wrong with your tire, which made
him wind down the window. That guy then put his
hand in and started winding down the window further. That
guy then launched himself across my husband's lap and went
for my cell phone. And stupidly, what I should have
done was just give him the cell phone, but I
was like, no, I want my cell phone, and I
sort of fled like a little girl. And fortunately my
husband redeemed himself by punching the guy's square in the

(01:22:04):
nose and he fell out and we managed to get away.
But then they chased us in the car. And this
is where you have to drive like a South African
when you're in South Africa, not like a Kiwi. I
said to my husband, go against the just go down
the wrong side of the road and turn down that road.
And he wouldn't. He flat out refused. He was like, no,
the rules, no, the road rules. I can't. I was,
oh my gosh, anyway, So I was quite angry for

(01:22:27):
some time after that and also shaken. I think we
all were. We're fine though none of us got hurt,
so it's the most important thing. So anyway, Yeah, good
luck Elliott's.

Speaker 22 (01:22:37):
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sa'd be.

Speaker 13 (01:23:05):
Together.

Speaker 11 (01:23:06):
I grew up in joe Berg.

Speaker 3 (01:23:07):
I lived there for forty years and then described it
with a swear word that I'm not allowed to say
on air. Worst square word in the square word. Whole
shy hole. That's what it was in the world. And
you know what, I don't know if it's the worst
in the world, but it's right up there, isn't it.
Gavin Gray is going to be a US in about
ten minutes. Yeah, so we want to know what's going
on with the Telegram boss. This is the one who
took us top off and then wrapped himself and that

(01:23:28):
remember I was telling you in the black scarf, who
has a surprisingly amazing body for basically a tech nerd
who's in a bit of trouble in Paris. Hill update
us Scavin will on what's going on. I can tell
you very quickly Oasis has the tide has turned very
quickly on Oasis because people are not happy about what
they're charging for the tickets. So the cheapest tickets to

(01:23:51):
go and see Oasis is one hundred and fifty three
New Zealand dollars. Now, that's not going to be a
good ticket. That's going to be a really bad ticket.
The most expensiveickets are one thousand and sixty four dollars.
They include merchandise, they include access to a pre show party.
That doesn't mean os it's going to be at the party.
You're just going to a party. You can't organize your
own party go to that one. Standard ticketing right, so

(01:24:14):
standard standing tickets cost about three hundred and fifteen New
Zealand dollars. It's being described as extortionate. It's being described
as setting up Nolan Liam's good pension fund. And by comparison,
the tickets to see Taylor Swift Peak absolutely had a
cap of four hundred and seven New Zealand dollars. You
could see this is on the high side, but then
again it's a one off, right, You're not going to

(01:24:35):
see it like OAS is not going to reform every
single day twenty three away from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
Heather D.

Speaker 3 (01:24:40):
Lewis is our Asia business corresponding with US out of
Hong Kong. Hey, Peter, Good evening. Now, what do we
make of Jake Sullivan meeting with Chijinping. Is this a surprise?

Speaker 19 (01:24:51):
I think it was on the cards, although it wasn't
confirmed right until the very end of his trip. Is
partly a sort of term meeting because when China's Farm
Secretary Wang Yi was in the US in Washington, he
met with President Biden. So I think this is President
She's paying back the compliments here meeting with Jake Sullivan.

(01:25:14):
They didn't say anything really that was new or substantial.
President she said that they want the US and China
to be what he said was a stable source of
world peace, and he said he was committed to having
a US China relationship that was stable and unchanged. All
the things he's been.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
Saying all along.

Speaker 19 (01:25:37):
Jake Sullivan was saying that it's very important to the
US to keep lines of communication with China open so
that their conflicts doesn't are the disagreements don't veer into
open conflicts and to that end, he had a very
rare meeting with a top Chinese army in general, it's
the first time that there's been any meetings with the

(01:25:59):
Beijing military for about six years, so that was sort
of significance. But I think at the end of the day,
the big question is is anything going to change in
terms of the relationship between the US and China and
the US's approach to China, And I think you have
to watch what the US does rather than what it says.
It sensily wants to have a healthy relationship with the US,

(01:26:21):
but in many ways, it's waging economic war on China
on many, many different fronts. It's really trying to hold
back China's development, particularly in the high tech area. It's
putting tariffs on a whole loads of goods and products,
it's putting sanctions on others. Nearly every single major Chinese
tech company has got some sort of sanction on it

(01:26:44):
at the moment, which means that both the US and
its allies can't sell American products that China needs to
develop this tech industry, and there's no sign of that
changing at all.

Speaker 3 (01:26:57):
Both sides have agreed to hold these video calls between
the military theater commanders, right, is this a first or
is this a continuation of something they're already doing.

Speaker 19 (01:27:05):
It used to be done, but it hasn't been done
for quite a few years now, and since sur shooting,
Ping sort of took over. So again, it's one of
those things where is the US that is very very
keen on keeping these lines of communication open. The Chinese
leadership is less sure about this. They sort of say, well,
what's the point of keeping these lines of communication open

(01:27:28):
when all you do is after we've spoken, you then
go and do something else to try and damage us.
So they think that these discussions should have a purpose,
and the purpose should be to try and improve relations
and remove some of these areas of disagreement. But the
US doesn't show much sign of doing that. I think

(01:27:49):
part of the problem is that there are some really clear,
almost intractable differences between the US and China and areas
such as the South China Sea, where China claims almost
ninety percent of the South China scene right up and
sort of borders of several countries in the areas, including
the Philippines, Vietnam, Japan, So that's an issue. Taiwan is

(01:28:14):
another issue that is really a big intractable problem, and
several of these have the potential to dangerously veer off
into some sort of conflict, I would say, particularly the
stat that's going on at the moment between China and
the Philippines, where fishing vessels are getting rammed almost on
a daily basis, there is potential for these things to

(01:28:34):
go horribly wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:28:36):
Peter, what's going wrong for Timu's parent company?

Speaker 19 (01:28:40):
Well, yes, this is interesting. PDD Holdings basically sort of
missed its earnings expectations, gave out a profit warning, said
it was suffering from severe competition in China that was
going to affect its earnings going forward. PDD Holding shares
collapsed almost by a third York at the beginning of

(01:29:01):
the week. It is a big shock because even though
we know that the consumer is pulling in the horns,
the one area where the consumer still seem to be
spending quite robustly was in these discount stores and looking
for cost conscious sort of products, which is right up
the streets of PDD. It has been Dodo in mainland China.

(01:29:23):
It has Temu internationally, which cater for are cost conscious
sort of Chinese shopper. So if these types of firms
are almost us struggling, it sort of bends the question
world just how bad is the situation amongst the consumer
each China we suspects a lot worse than we're being told.
And also if a firm like PDD can't compete, then

(01:29:46):
who exactually can compete in China.

Speaker 3 (01:29:49):
Yeah, that is a little worrying actually to hear. Peter listen,
thank you very much as always for talking us through
the stuff. We'll talk to you again in a week's time.
It's Peter Lewis, our Asia Business correspondent out of Hong
Kong for US. Gavin Gray next, and yeah, Wellington City Council.
We haven't talked enough about them this week, so there's
another one for you. Come and write at your shortly
seventeen away from seven.

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They'd be Kevin Gray, UK correspondent with US A Gvin
Hi then okay, Evan so Germany's response to that stabbing
the other days they want a knife? Ben, How's this
going to work?

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:30:31):
I think it's a very complicated thing to try and
bring in and I think they're really still thrashing around
trying to work out how to do it. But this
is all because of that stabbing in which that was
in West Germany, and it really did lead many people
in Germany. It's a Syrian refugee is the main suspect.
It led many to question their asylum policy, their refugee policy,

(01:30:55):
and it comes shortly before two states go into elections
at the weekend, their Eastern states, and it is said
that the far right alternative for Germany is riding high
in the palls. Indeed, after that stabbing in Solingen where
three were left dead, one of the parties suggested that

(01:31:15):
they should stop taking refugees from Afghanistan and Syria, but
the AfD said, actually, we should stop taking refugees for stop.
That isn't the official policy of the party, but that
was one of their leaders, and that of course would
fly in the face of everything that the EU is
currently standing for. So how this plan is going to
work is going to be very very difficult. Knives are

(01:31:37):
banned at most public events, including markets and sport, as
well as public transport, and now there's going to be
a blanket ban on flick knives, and foreigners will be
ordered to leave. That foreigners who are ordered to leave
the country will have to be deported more quickly and
more efficiently. And anyone facing a jail term for knife
crime would face fast deportation if they were an asylum

(01:31:59):
seeker with it in Germany. So they are trying to
do something about it. But whether this measure, these suggestions
will sway the voters in the East Germany is another matter.

Speaker 3 (01:32:08):
How I mean, just on a practical level, how do
you figure out if somebody's got a knife? I mean,
the problem with it is that they're so easy to conceal.
So would you be doing something like at certain events,
I don't know, metal detection or something like that.

Speaker 7 (01:32:21):
Yeah, And they do have them in concerts here and
across the EU, these sort of airport style scanners, but
also in streets of course here in the UK and
other countries you have stop and search powers. The problem
with those as well has been that many people have
certain ethnic minorities feel they are being discriminated against. And
indeed the figures of how who is stop and search

(01:32:43):
showed that they are disproportionately stopped. But the police are
saying where they stop because we think they've got a
knife or we think they might have a knife. So
you know, it's a very very difficult argument to do.
But stop and search has been actually a very successful
thing here in the UK. Police have managed to take
into custody a lot of knives and individuals.

Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
Interesting. Okay, so what's the letters By the way with
the telegram boss, he's getting.

Speaker 7 (01:33:10):
Told you have got to stay in France. So this
is Pavel d'uov. He's now been placed under a formal
investigation in France as part of a probe into organized
crime on the messaging app. The thirty nine year old
has not been remanded in custody, but placed under what's
called judicial supervision. He's also had to pay a ten
million New Zealand dollar deposit. He's Russian born, of course,

(01:33:33):
a billionaire, but he is also a French national and
now he has to show up at a French police
station twice a week and has been banned from leaving
the country. And this is all under alleged offenses that
include complicity in the administration of an online platform to
enable illicit transactions by organized gangs. The refusal to communicate

(01:33:54):
with the authorities and complicity in organized criminal distribution of
sexual images of children. It appears France believes that they
do have a case against him.

Speaker 3 (01:34:03):
Kevin, she's marrying the shaman.

Speaker 11 (01:34:08):
I wondered if you'd be I know.

Speaker 2 (01:34:10):
So this is Princess Martin Louis.

Speaker 7 (01:34:12):
She is the eldest daughter of the current King and
Queen of Norway, and now she's marrying what might be
described as a very very controversial figure, a self styled
shaman called Durich Derek Verret. The celebrations have begun in
the town of Allison, Western Norway for a meet and

(01:34:33):
greet in a historic hotel. To put a bit of
context to her. Martin Luise fifty two years old, Derek
Verett forty nine year old. She's a former equestrian, but
she's also long attracted controversy for her involvement in alternative treatments.
She lost her titled the Royal Highness so she could
start her own business. She then said that she had

(01:34:54):
taught students to create miracles and talk to angels, and
in an interview last year with the BBC, she said
there've been so much turmoil concerning her decision to take
a different path that of a traditional role, that she's
decided to drop that title. But she says, I'm very
spiritual and in Norway that is taboo. It'll be a
very interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:35:15):
Wedding, interesting times. Gavin, thank you very much. Appreciate it
this Kevin great enjoy your weekend, Kevin Gray, our UK correspondent.
By the way, Derek the Shaman, Derek spells his name
du are Eka because ain't nothing conventional about this guy.
Nine away from seven.

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Speaker 3 (01:35:45):
If you're traveling in joe Burg, what you need is
a can of fly spray in your car because you
can use against the attackers and the attacking dogs. That's
not stupid and I appreciate that. Thank you. Hey, get
a load of this. This is amazing. This bird, called
the northern bald iris our Ibis ibis has been distinct
in Europe in Central Europe for three hundred years and
the scientists have brought it back from extinction. But the

(01:36:06):
problem is if you've been extinct for three hundred years,
you don't know how to do your life anymore. So
they don't remember how to fly their migration path from
Austria to Spain. So the humans are flying it in
an ultra light for them, and then the birds follow them.
They trust the human enough to actually follow the stupid
little mechanical thing in the air and fly with the human.

(01:36:27):
They fly for fifty days. It's the seventeenth year that
they've been doing it. How cool is that? Okay, so
here's from cool to not cool. How about this Wellington council.
Do you remember that Reading deal, the Reading Cinema's deal
where they were basically going to subsidize it was ridiculous.
I'm going to subsidize a NASDAC listed company. It was
one of my favorite stupid ideas of all time. Anyway,

(01:36:47):
do you remember how the council and Tory the mayor,
refuse to talk about it all of the time because
they it's confidential, it's confidential, it's confidential. Well was it confidential?

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
Because I don't think it was.

Speaker 3 (01:36:59):
It turns out Tory just didn't want to have a
SmackDown in public. The media have got their hands on
some documents that show that just before the council actually
voted on this, the council's chief financial officer, Andrea Reeves,
who should not be politicized. Andrea, if you're listening, you're
not supposed to play politics. May She emailed council staff
that saying that if Tory looked like she was going

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to win the vote, then the council should support a
public vote, and if there was no chance of the
mayor getting the numbers, the public should be excluded from
the meeting. And I'm just waiting to hear back from Nadine,
said Reeves. Nadine is Torrifano's political adviser, so in a nutshell,
what she was saying is, Okay, guys, listen, We're gonna
let the vote be public if the mayor is going

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to win, But if the mayor is not gonna win,
we're not gonna let the vote be public. How politicized
is this council? It's unreal anyway? What can I say?
What can I say? It's really no surprise that Wellington
City Council plays Lilli Bugger's like that.

Speaker 6 (01:37:52):
As I hope everyone enjoyed the break from Oasis yesterday.
It's over. We're back on Oasis week now because, as
you say, they're back in the news. The ticket prices.
They're charging three hundred dollars up to one thousand dollars
in New Zealand money that is for for a ticket.
I mean, there's nothing we can do about this because
the reason they're charging that is because that's what people
will pay. That's probably slightly lower than the market price
for an Oasis ticket. But I think it is a

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shame that, you know, some of their poorer fans probably
won't get as much of a chance to see them
as they're.

Speaker 3 (01:38:17):
It's okay, the poor fans have got the albums they like.

Speaker 6 (01:38:20):
They do, but I think they have, especially since lots
of them wouldn't have had a chance to see them.

Speaker 3 (01:38:24):
When you know, oh okay, so we're turning a concert
into a socialist thing. Well, I mean, it's not like
they need the money, is it. Oh maybe they do
hold on.

Speaker 11 (01:38:33):
Expensive.

Speaker 3 (01:38:33):
Okay, I take it back, that's fair.

Speaker 6 (01:38:35):
I mean, don't look back in anger.

Speaker 3 (01:38:36):
We're going to go out with to night. I feel
you're paying there should have you know what? Okay, this
is how you get around it. Ends is that you
price it extremely high because the whole world wants to
go to the gigs, right, But then you set aside
tickets for people who can prove that they are die.

Speaker 6 (01:38:49):
Hard actually like these ones, and maybe maybe you make
them that that you have to go to a physical
location in like a poor area of Manchester to go
buy them, to guarantee that.

Speaker 3 (01:38:56):
Those are the people with an Oasis tattoo on your butt,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 11 (01:39:00):
I bet they all go.

Speaker 6 (01:39:01):
I bet you'd find that.

Speaker 3 (01:39:03):
Okay, Well, I think we've solved that problem for them.
If they need some help, we can sort it. Thank
you and for bringing the hearts to the program. Enjoy
Oasis and have a lovely weekend and stay safe and
we'll see you on Monday.

Speaker 1 (01:40:03):
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