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May 30, 2025 2 mins

This weekend marks the last day of Winnie and the first day of David Seymour as the Deputy Prime Minister.

Now, mostly I don't actually care.

I mean, I largely agree with Jim Bolger's assessment and, and obviously, happy 90th birthday to Jim for tomorrow.

The role doesn't actually mean very much.

It's symbolic.

It doesn't carry any particular power other than really just letting you know who's second in command.

But it feels like an appropriate time just to take a moment to acknowledge, because we don't do this very often, that it's actually very nice, isn't it, to have both of these two men in government right now, if only to give the Nats a little bit of a push along, you know, to actually do things from time to time.

Winston strikes me right now as the right man for the right job for right now.

Don't you think?

With all this nutty stuff that's going on in the world, his huge previous experience as a foreign minister, I think, is reassuring.

I feel like it's not going overboard to say that I trust his instincts in the job.

When he gets angry with Israel, you know, it's not for politics, it's not for performance.

It's because he's actually angry with Israel.

Given his experience, that would be warranted.

On David Seymour, if there's one thing that we can truly thank him for right now, it's shifting the Overton window so that we can, and now do debate things like the treaty principles.

The Overton window is the available, is the, it covers the stuff that we feel comfortable talking about in the media and in society.

He has shifted that, so principles are now firmly within the Overton window and we talk about it, and we should be able to debate it, because they should not be taboo.

Things that have as much impact on our economy and our society and our lives as treaty principles, and as on our private property as well, should be up for discussion without critics of those things being labelled racist.

And it is squarely because of ACT's policies that those discussion, those discussions are now out in the open.

Now, I don't really expect very much to change after the weekend other than maybe we'll see more of both men, more of David Seymour because he'll be the deputy, and more of Winston because he'll not be the deputy, which means that he can act up a little bit, maybe.

But either way, I think it's not a bad thing to have both of them in there at the moment, is it?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Listen. As we've discussed on the show this weekend, Mark's
the last day of Winnie in the first day of
David Seymour as the Deputy Prime Minister. Now mostly I
don't actually care. I mean, I largely agree with Jim
Bolger's assessment, and obviously happy ninetieth birthday to Jim for tomorrow.
The role doesn't actually mean very much. It's symbolic, It
doesn't carry in a particular power other than really just
letting you know who's second in command. But it feels

(00:21):
like an appropriate time just to take a moment to acknowledge,
because we don't do this very often, that it's actually
very nice, isn't it to have both of these two
men in government right now, if only to give the
Nats a little bit of a push along, you know,
to actually do things from time to time. Winston Winston
strikes me right now as the right man for the
right job for right now. Don't you think, with all

(00:43):
this nutty stuff that's going on in the world, has
huge previous experience as a foreign minister. I think is reassuring.
I feel like it's not going overboard to say that
I trust his instincts in the job when he gets
angry with Israel. You know, it's not for politics, it's
not for performance. It's because he's actually angry with Israel
and his experience that would be warranted on David Seymour.

(01:04):
If there's one thing that we can truly thank him
for right now, it's shifting the Overton window so that
we can and now do debate things like the treaty principles.
The Overton window is the available is that it covers
the stuff that we feel comfortable talking about in the
media and in society. He has shifted that, so treaty
principles are now firmly within the Overton window, and we
talk about it, and we should be able to debate

(01:25):
it because they should not be taboo. Things that have
as much impact on our economy and our society and
our lives as treaty principles and as on our private
property as well, should be up for discussion without critics
of those things being labeled racist. And it is squarely
because of acts policies that those discussions are now out
in the open now. I don't really expect very much

(01:46):
to change after the weekend, other than maybe we'll see
more of both men more of David Seymour because he'll
be the deputy, and more of Winston because he'll not
be the deputy, which means that he can act up
a little bit maybe, But either way, I think it's
not a bad thing to have both of them in
there at the moment, does it? For More from Hither
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