September 15, 2025 • 4 mins
Kiwi rugby fans are speculating about what's changed after the All Blacks got trounced in their second test against South Africa.
The 43-10 result in Wellington marks the side's highest margin of defeat - a week after extending their undefeated run at Eden Park to 51 matches.
Sportstalk host Jason Pine speculates further.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Sport with tab Multis, Fast, Daz and more codes SORR
eighteen Bit Responsible Pine sports talk hosters with Me, Hey, Pioney.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Heather, Oh, mate, mate, Oh.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
I went to bed at half time. I thought, I
can't handle this anymore.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
So you thought we won ten to seven?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
No, I could see it coming. I could see no. Actually,
can I can I tell you the truth? It was
delayed because of the Warriors, and so I was getting
the phone updates and I already knew. I already knew
what was happening. And so I went to bed at halftime.
So it was Yeah, so it wasn't really my half.
It was my halftime, but it wasn't everybody else's halftime.
But no, I couldn't watch it finished. I thought, I
can't watch this, this is terrible. What happened?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Well, I meank what happened. Indeed, we had a lot
of calls on it yesterday on the show, and I'm
not sure we really came to any conclusion, any general conclusion.
There were so many places to look right set, peace,
the aerial ball, lack of attack, guys giving up seemingly
near the end. There was so much to unpack, and
(01:00):
in many ways that's the difficulty here. If it was
one thing, if it was just the line out or
just the scrum, or just the fact that they can't
catch the ball when it's kicked up in the air
to them, then they can focus in on that and
zoom it on that and fix it. But they've got
twelve days now to fix a bunch of stuff, including
their own confidence ahead of the Bledislow Cup game against
the Wallabes at Eden Park on Saturday week So there's
a bit to do, a bit to do for Razor
(01:21):
and his team.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Did you read Gregor Paul's piece?
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I did, yes, and as always I love reading Gregor.
He's very incisive. I think he drew a bit of
a long bow, you know, comparing rugby to people leaving
and going living in Australia. But that's a side issue.
I think he's right about the consistency.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
So he's a Rugby is just one more part of
New Zealand in decline, one more finger roding while everyone
deludes themselves otherwise, tell me he's wrong.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
No, he is wrong. You can't mean, you can't. Look.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I'm going to make a case to you that he's right,
because what's happened is you've got You've got all of
these other squads allowing their players to play overseas and
be selected from overseas. They're playing in fantastic competitions. Meanwhile,
here we are playing stink super rugby against the Aussies
who suck and the Argies who are like okay most
of the time, on't even part of it anymore. So
it's just us in the stinky Aussies. It doesn't decline.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
But does that mean so does that mean that that
rugby is a part of our society that is in
decline along with things like, you know, people leaving our shores,
fewer jobs, all these.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Sorts of things.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
But those are real life things. Those are real life things.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Just a sport.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
It ain't real life, Heather, It.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Ain't real real life. It's happening. There's a real ball
and real fifteen people touching that ball.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yeah, but we're not out of a cure and cancer,
are we. You know, it's the game of rugby.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Stop it, stop it. You're accepting it. The argument I
think he's trying to make is that we can see
it falling apart, but we're pretending it isn't rightly what
I should do is go, yeah, Rugby, the way that
we're doing it in this country is starting to become
a bit shite and maybe we need to make some changes.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Well, I don't think anybody's pretending it's not happening. After
Saturday night. The out pouring on social media that I've
seen certainly not people turning a blind eye or just
accepting that it's okay. I think we have every right
to demand excellence from our all blacks, and I think
that's what people are doing. Yeah, look, you know, we
can go back and forth on Gregor's piece. I think
the most important thing is that they put it right
(03:16):
before this blitter slow cup goes on.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
He're saying I suspect what he Maybe I'm reading what
I want to read into it, but it is a
bigger problem than just the all blacks, right. If you
serve them up a selection of players who are not
playing in a great competition, then you are not going
to get great players.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Sure, no, that is a valid point. If that is
the point that he's making. I still think Super Rugby
has a lot going for it, but South Africa have
a lot of players who don't play in South Africa.
They play in Japan. In fact, I think I saw
twenty eight of the forty three points on Saturday night
was scored by Japanese bas players. So there's a little
thing for you. Look, it's probably going to open up
(03:52):
that argument again Hither, isn't it. But then again you
think to yourself, Okay, at the moment, who's oversus? Who
would have back? I know it's a different argument, but yeah, maybe.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Richie Monger, Aarons.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Aaron parents Aarons, he's like thirty seven years old.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Don't tell me he's better that. He's not better than that.
The others who are trying to find in that position.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Well, I think camroy Gard coming back will be a big,
big post.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Anyway, there we go. Gregor Paul started something. Piney appreciate it.
Thank you. Jason pine sports talk host. By the way,
he had Piney was doing talkback after the game. He
had a call from val This is what she said.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
The coaching to me. I say, bring on, Nolan tra
give give us some time with them before the breeder
slow cap. For god's sake, someone's got to do something
with class.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Right seeing Nolane and she'll sort them out.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
For more from Hither, Duplessy Alan Drive.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Listen live to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
Sport with tab Multis, Fast, Daz and more codes SORR
eighteen Bit Responsible Pine sports talk hosters with Me, Hey, Pioney.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Heather, Oh, mate, mate, Oh.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
I went to bed at half time. I thought, I
can't handle this anymore.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
So you thought we won ten to seven?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
No, I could see it coming. I could see no. Actually,
can I can I tell you the truth? It was
delayed because of the Warriors, and so I was getting
the phone updates and I already knew. I already knew
what was happening. And so I went to bed at halftime.
So it was Yeah, so it wasn't really my half.
It was my halftime, but it wasn't everybody else's halftime.
But no, I couldn't watch it finished. I thought, I
can't watch this, this is terrible. What happened?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Well, I meank what happened. Indeed, we had a lot
of calls on it yesterday on the show, and I'm
not sure we really came to any conclusion, any general conclusion.
There were so many places to look right set, peace,
the aerial ball, lack of attack, guys giving up seemingly
near the end. There was so much to unpack, and
(01:00):
in many ways that's the difficulty here. If it was
one thing, if it was just the line out or
just the scrum, or just the fact that they can't
catch the ball when it's kicked up in the air
to them, then they can focus in on that and
zoom it on that and fix it. But they've got
twelve days now to fix a bunch of stuff, including
their own confidence ahead of the Bledislow Cup game against
the Wallabes at Eden Park on Saturday week So there's
a bit to do, a bit to do for Razor
(01:21):
and his team.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Did you read Gregor Paul's piece?
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I did, yes, and as always I love reading Gregor.
He's very incisive. I think he drew a bit of
a long bow, you know, comparing rugby to people leaving
and going living in Australia. But that's a side issue.
I think he's right about the consistency.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
So he's a Rugby is just one more part of
New Zealand in decline, one more finger roding while everyone
deludes themselves otherwise, tell me he's wrong.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
No, he is wrong. You can't mean, you can't. Look.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I'm going to make a case to you that he's right,
because what's happened is you've got You've got all of
these other squads allowing their players to play overseas and
be selected from overseas. They're playing in fantastic competitions. Meanwhile,
here we are playing stink super rugby against the Aussies
who suck and the Argies who are like okay most
of the time, on't even part of it anymore. So
it's just us in the stinky Aussies. It doesn't decline.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
But does that mean so does that mean that that
rugby is a part of our society that is in
decline along with things like, you know, people leaving our shores,
fewer jobs, all these.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Sorts of things.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
But those are real life things. Those are real life things.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Just a sport.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
It ain't real life, Heather, It.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Ain't real real life. It's happening. There's a real ball
and real fifteen people touching that ball.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yeah, but we're not out of a cure and cancer,
are we. You know, it's the game of rugby.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Stop it, stop it. You're accepting it. The argument I
think he's trying to make is that we can see
it falling apart, but we're pretending it isn't rightly what
I should do is go, yeah, Rugby, the way that
we're doing it in this country is starting to become
a bit shite and maybe we need to make some changes.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Well, I don't think anybody's pretending it's not happening. After
Saturday night. The out pouring on social media that I've
seen certainly not people turning a blind eye or just
accepting that it's okay. I think we have every right
to demand excellence from our all blacks, and I think
that's what people are doing. Yeah, look, you know, we
can go back and forth on Gregor's piece. I think
the most important thing is that they put it right
(03:16):
before this blitter slow cup goes on.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
He're saying I suspect what he Maybe I'm reading what
I want to read into it, but it is a
bigger problem than just the all blacks, right. If you
serve them up a selection of players who are not
playing in a great competition, then you are not going
to get great players.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Sure, no, that is a valid point. If that is
the point that he's making. I still think Super Rugby
has a lot going for it, but South Africa have
a lot of players who don't play in South Africa.
They play in Japan. In fact, I think I saw
twenty eight of the forty three points on Saturday night
was scored by Japanese bas players. So there's a little
thing for you. Look, it's probably going to open up
(03:52):
that argument again Hither, isn't it. But then again you
think to yourself, Okay, at the moment, who's oversus? Who
would have back? I know it's a different argument, but yeah, maybe.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Richie Monger, Aarons.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Aaron parents Aarons, he's like thirty seven years old.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Don't tell me he's better that. He's not better than that.
The others who are trying to find in that position.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Well, I think camroy Gard coming back will be a big,
big post.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Anyway, there we go. Gregor Paul started something. Piney appreciate it.
Thank you. Jason pine sports talk host. By the way,
he had Piney was doing talkback after the game. He
had a call from val This is what she said.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
The coaching to me. I say, bring on, Nolan tra
give give us some time with them before the breeder
slow cap. For god's sake, someone's got to do something
with class.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Right seeing Nolane and she'll sort them out.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
For more from Hither, Duplessy Alan Drive.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Listen live to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
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