Chris Luxon says Labour is spreading lies about Government pay equity changes.
Legislation rushed through under urgency last week cancels ongoing claims of gender-inequity in pay - and raised the bar for applying.
Opposition leader Chris Hipkins spoke on social media saying the Prime Minister's taking money out of women's pay packets.
Newstalk ZB political editor Jason Walls says Chris Hipkins has dug his heels in over his position - but it feels like a leap.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Jason Wall's political edit is with us.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Hey Jason, good afternoon, Heather.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
Okay, So having a crack at each other over pay
equity again, are they indeed?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I mean, and I'm sorry if you're sick of this story,
but it does keep it does have the legs to
keep going because the NATS firmly went on the attack today.
They very much changed tack in terms of what was
last week. It was very much the explaining is losing
and they saw what was going on and they decided
to They decided to go through a different direction. Now
(00:28):
it kind of all hinges on a lot of what
the opposition has been saying. But this video from Chris Hipkins,
obviously Labor Leader, is sort of the main thrust of
what happened today. Have a listen.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Did you see that Christopher Luxen is now taking money
out of women's pay packets? Last week, National Force through
a law change that will stop thousands of women from
getting the pay they deserve.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
So it's that taking women, it's taking money rather out
of women's pay packets that has really got the NATS
fired up. It started this morning with Chris Bishop who
actually went as is using the dreaded L word.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
The Labor Party is lying and they spent much of
the last week lying about National's approach to pay equity.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Then that Chris Luxon had a go.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Look, I just think it's a terrible shame that Labour's
resorting to lies and misinformation.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Frankly, and at this point you're probably sensing a bit
of a theme here. It was Nikola Willis Leader in
the morning.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
It is one thing to claim that there is a
debate to be had about the process by which pay
equity regimes are negotiated and settled. It is another thing
to tell an outright lie to New Zealand workers that
women's pay is being capped. That is a lie.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
So it was lie, lie, lie the entire day until
it got to the House because you're not technically allowed
to use the L word in the house. So I
think you know this tactic here the Nats do. It
seems it feels like the Dale has shifted somewhat on
this story here. So we put this to Chris Hipkins
this morning and he completely dug in his heels.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
That money was otherwise going to be going into women's paypackets.
Taking it away it means you're taking it away.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Can you see how some interprets that comment instead of
singing that Chris wants in the second money out of
the current.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
APIs taking money away that women were otherwise going to get.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Is a cut, and you can see why the Nats
are pushing back on this one. I mean, it is
quite a leap by Chris Hipkins and he's making quite
a lot of assumptions to get there. And it does feel,
as I said, like the government has started to take
control back over this issue.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, fair enough. Now what do you make of this
business when Nikola Willis is barring the union and the
C to you and the Taxpayers Union in the New
Zealand Initiative in Business New Zealand from the lock up.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah, it's a funny one. And frankly, I'm not actually
that surprised. We saw a similar thing happening at the
half year Fiscal and Economic Yeah that hifu. Yeah, it happened,
and they barred the C to you and they barred
the Taxpayers Union from coming in at the time. The
Treasury said that the purpose of these briefings was to
provide journalists and analysts from the media, economic and financial
(02:53):
organizations with sufficient time so that complex information presented can
be analyzed and reported a when the embargo les lefts
assisting in the transparency and accountability of the public. And
it seems like she's carrying that one over when it
comes to the actual budget itself. And you do look
at this and you're like, the unions, does the taxpayers
(03:14):
unions really need to be there at the same time
as us? Of course you think so, yep, okay, because.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Because do you think that you understand financial finances better
than Eric Crampton from the New Zealand Initiative.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Well, well, that's not really what I would use the
budget lockup for. If I really want to get into
the weeds of some of the more curly financial questions,
I can come to them afterwards. That lock up period,
for me is a period where.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
About what Jason wants is it. It's about what's the
best what's in the best interests of the country. And surely,
I mean the point of the lockup is that we
all sit there for what is it four hours or thereabouts,
and we have really like quiet time to completely digest
everything that's in there and then come out and tell
the New Zealand public what's in there. What why would
(04:01):
you not want to have a trained economist in there
looking at it and saying this is a problem that
I can see.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Well, they are still in there. I mean that's the
point that i'd make. You still have economists from A
and Z. I mean you still have your brad Olsen's
and a few others in there as well, because they do.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
The way is brad Olsen in there and not the
New Zealand Initiative?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Well the Brad Also if you look at the market player,
I mean A and Z would be in there for example,
because if there is significant moves to the currency, or
if there are significant moves within the budget, which means
that there is a significant fallback on various different positions
that they've taken. For example, I mean, has the more
of an implication of a big bank economist is there
(04:39):
rather than a union that I would say, which is
just going to look at the information and put out
a press release That would be the same as you
would be looking at if it was two hours.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
But what about what about an Eric Crampton for example?
I mean Eric Crempton as an I have a lot
of regard for this man, which is why I keep
using him as an example, he has a completely different
interest to a retail bank, right, his interest is policy.
Surely we value we get value from having him in there.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Absolutely, And that's my point is you could come find
somebody like that. Afterwards. You can, at that point in time,
what's the information in the budget look at some of
the bigger questions to do with the economy. You do
not need an economist to tell you to go to
the back of the budget and look at how the
different forecasts. There's a bit of variation. I mean, you know, Heather,
I feel like I can do these sorts of things.
(05:23):
I've been doing them for about nine years. I know
that I've got the likes of toys who would be
able to do them as well. But it's I think
that there is a time and a place for these people,
and you don't necessarily need them in the room.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Oh, I you know what, I'm shocked. I'm shocked by
what you've just said to me.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
But I didn't come into this with an opinion, but
you've drawn it out of me.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
And I'm shocked by it. And you should take that
opinion and in the rubbish. Oh I had Jason, Thank
you appreciate it. Jason Wall's News Talks. He'd be political editor.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
For more from Hither Duplessy Alan Drive.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Listen live to News Talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
Jason Wall's political edit is with us.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Hey Jason, good afternoon, Heather.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
Okay, So having a crack at each other over pay
equity again, are they indeed?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I mean, and I'm sorry if you're sick of this story,
but it does keep it does have the legs to
keep going because the NATS firmly went on the attack today.
They very much changed tack in terms of what was
last week. It was very much the explaining is losing
and they saw what was going on and they decided
to They decided to go through a different direction. Now
(00:28):
it kind of all hinges on a lot of what
the opposition has been saying. But this video from Chris Hipkins,
obviously Labor Leader, is sort of the main thrust of
what happened today. Have a listen.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Did you see that Christopher Luxen is now taking money
out of women's pay packets? Last week, National Force through
a law change that will stop thousands of women from
getting the pay they deserve.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
So it's that taking women, it's taking money rather out
of women's pay packets that has really got the NATS
fired up. It started this morning with Chris Bishop who
actually went as is using the dreaded L word.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
The Labor Party is lying and they spent much of
the last week lying about National's approach to pay equity.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Then that Chris Luxon had a go.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Look, I just think it's a terrible shame that Labour's
resorting to lies and misinformation.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Frankly, and at this point you're probably sensing a bit
of a theme here. It was Nikola Willis Leader in
the morning.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
It is one thing to claim that there is a
debate to be had about the process by which pay
equity regimes are negotiated and settled. It is another thing
to tell an outright lie to New Zealand workers that
women's pay is being capped. That is a lie.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
So it was lie, lie, lie the entire day until
it got to the House because you're not technically allowed
to use the L word in the house. So I
think you know this tactic here the Nats do. It
seems it feels like the Dale has shifted somewhat on
this story here. So we put this to Chris Hipkins
this morning and he completely dug in his heels.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
That money was otherwise going to be going into women's paypackets.
Taking it away it means you're taking it away.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Can you see how some interprets that comment instead of
singing that Chris wants in the second money out of
the current.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
APIs taking money away that women were otherwise going to get.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Is a cut, and you can see why the Nats
are pushing back on this one. I mean, it is
quite a leap by Chris Hipkins and he's making quite
a lot of assumptions to get there. And it does feel,
as I said, like the government has started to take
control back over this issue.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, fair enough. Now what do you make of this
business when Nikola Willis is barring the union and the
C to you and the Taxpayers Union in the New
Zealand Initiative in Business New Zealand from the lock up.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah, it's a funny one. And frankly, I'm not actually
that surprised. We saw a similar thing happening at the
half year Fiscal and Economic Yeah that hifu. Yeah, it happened,
and they barred the C to you and they barred
the Taxpayers Union from coming in at the time. The
Treasury said that the purpose of these briefings was to
provide journalists and analysts from the media, economic and financial
(02:53):
organizations with sufficient time so that complex information presented can
be analyzed and reported a when the embargo les lefts
assisting in the transparency and accountability of the public. And
it seems like she's carrying that one over when it
comes to the actual budget itself. And you do look
at this and you're like, the unions, does the taxpayers
(03:14):
unions really need to be there at the same time
as us? Of course you think so, yep, okay, because.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Because do you think that you understand financial finances better
than Eric Crampton from the New Zealand Initiative.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Well, well, that's not really what I would use the
budget lockup for. If I really want to get into
the weeds of some of the more curly financial questions,
I can come to them afterwards. That lock up period,
for me is a period where.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
About what Jason wants is it. It's about what's the
best what's in the best interests of the country. And surely,
I mean the point of the lockup is that we
all sit there for what is it four hours or thereabouts,
and we have really like quiet time to completely digest
everything that's in there and then come out and tell
the New Zealand public what's in there. What why would
(04:01):
you not want to have a trained economist in there
looking at it and saying this is a problem that
I can see.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Well, they are still in there. I mean that's the
point that i'd make. You still have economists from A
and Z. I mean you still have your brad Olsen's
and a few others in there as well, because they do.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
The way is brad Olsen in there and not the
New Zealand Initiative?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Well the Brad Also if you look at the market player,
I mean A and Z would be in there for example,
because if there is significant moves to the currency, or
if there are significant moves within the budget, which means
that there is a significant fallback on various different positions
that they've taken. For example, I mean, has the more
of an implication of a big bank economist is there
(04:39):
rather than a union that I would say, which is
just going to look at the information and put out
a press release That would be the same as you
would be looking at if it was two hours.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
But what about what about an Eric Crampton for example?
I mean Eric Crempton as an I have a lot
of regard for this man, which is why I keep
using him as an example, he has a completely different
interest to a retail bank, right, his interest is policy.
Surely we value we get value from having him in there.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Absolutely, And that's my point is you could come find
somebody like that. Afterwards. You can, at that point in time,
what's the information in the budget look at some of
the bigger questions to do with the economy. You do
not need an economist to tell you to go to
the back of the budget and look at how the
different forecasts. There's a bit of variation. I mean, you know, Heather,
I feel like I can do these sorts of things.
(05:23):
I've been doing them for about nine years. I know
that I've got the likes of toys who would be
able to do them as well. But it's I think
that there is a time and a place for these people,
and you don't necessarily need them in the room.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Oh, I you know what, I'm shocked. I'm shocked by
what you've just said to me.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
But I didn't come into this with an opinion, but
you've drawn it out of me.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
And I'm shocked by it. And you should take that
opinion and in the rubbish. Oh I had Jason, Thank
you appreciate it. Jason Wall's News Talks. He'd be political editor.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
For more from Hither Duplessy Alan Drive.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Listen live to News Talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
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