July 10, 2025 • 8 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Journalist Clare De Lore and Economist Craig Renney joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
40 years since the bombing of the Rainbow Warrior. Ryan has been wondering.. for all of our opposition against nuclear and nuclear weapons; are they actually what is keeping the world from erupting into even more serious conflicts right now?
The owner of Woman's Weekly and Listener is looking for a buyer for the mags. Are magazines dead?
Gold mine plans halted due to local lizards needing to be rehomed - should we risk hundreds of jobs for the protection of animals?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Unique Homes,
uniquely for you to our panel.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Cleared the Lord Journalists, good evening, good evening, and Craig
Rannie Seid to you economists with us this evening as well. Craig,
good evening to.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
You, Good even Hi Greg.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Great to have you both here. Forty years since the
bombing of the Rainbow Warrior. So many stories coming out today.
I interviewed a woman this morning actually who was the cook,
the chef on board the boat as it was, you know,
because it was hit twice, two bombs seven minutes apart.
Just amazing to look back on that and think that
it was, you know, the French secret service that did it.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Clear I know, as it unfolded, it seemed just as unreal,
unbelievable really, even though you know it had happened in
front of our very eyes, more or less. The idea
that the French were behind it, somebody we'd fought in
not that many years earlier than the Second World War
fought four the French was pretty amazing, but the anti
(01:00):
nuclear thing had kicked off big time at that stage,
and I'm afraid we found ourselves with allies who really
didn't have to finger in either protest or in any
other way.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
And then two years later we really cemented that stance,
that anti nuclear stance, Craig, do you I wonder whether
you think we would have done that if the rain
Bow Warrior thing hadn't happened.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
You know, I think it was certainly a cuff list.
I think it's certainly helped, But I like to think
that New Zealand as a country has had a long
and honorable position of you know, of supporting anti nuclear
compians and certainly being a country that doesn't want to
see nuclear weapons here. I think, you know, it certainly helped,
but I think in the long run, I can't see
New Zealand as a country either supporting USULO weapons or
(01:44):
supporting countries storing nudulo weapons in it in our country.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Do you think it makes the world safer having clear
having nuclear weapons as a as a deterrent?
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Well, I mean, you know, mutually assured destruction, you know, mad,
complete madness and insanity behind that belief. Whether or not
it has any veracity, it's really hard to say because
we never want to see it tested. But if it's
absolutely true. That means every country should have a little
(02:15):
arsenal that can take out their nearest neighbor or there
are closest perceived threat. I just think it's it's just
a very sad indictment on us that that should be
the case. And meanwhile, it's not as if the world
has been completely peaceful. Now there have been millions of
people ding in conflicts with conventional arms.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
All around the world.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Absolutely, but the fact that it hasn't escalated into a
global into a World War III. Craig, is that because
everyone's too scared because someone will bring out a nuke.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
I think it helps, but I mean, you know, it's
I guess the question is security for who? Because you know,
we have various Third world countries around the world, as
Claire has said, haven't seen security for decades, been conflicts
ranging across Africa, across Asia. We've seen, you know, there's
been security for those nations that have held nuclear weapons.
(03:10):
I think it'd all be more secure if those nuclear
weapons disappeared off the planet.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
The other thing is, after the war, there was the
development of all the multinational organizations and treaties, and until
the most recent iteration of madness by way of various
administrations we won't name, they have been observed. And I
think the worst thing that could have happened now is
non proliferation treaties will be very hard to get people
(03:38):
to sign up.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
But you can't say clear that you know that NATO
that well. You can't say that the u WIN, the
advent of the U WIN has stopped World War three.
It's it's that plus some firepower on the back, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
It's put some moral pressure on countries. It has brought
together countries where they have to get together and meet
at the generalists. They have to eyeball and meet face
to face with some people that they cannot stomach. They
sometimes have to sit around the same table as them.
But now we see that you and rendered moralist, toothless
and if you have a look at you in Security Council,
(04:14):
it's completely bonkers joke.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah. Hey, the owners of a women's weekly, the listeners
some really vital staples in your magazine bookshelf. Looking for
a buyer for these magazines, Craig, do you still read them?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I read magazines, but I think like many other people, Ryan,
I read them online. I don't read them in their
physical copy. I don't go to the you know, the
news agent, so the supermarket and buy them anymore. The
magazines I read, you know, they all tend to be
published online, Like The Economist that's already online. You know,
the Listener that's online, and it's just easier. And that's
(04:52):
where I tend to do. If I'm reading a magazine article,
I'll read it just like I read any of their
article I read on their website.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Yeah, magazine in their paper form have certainly had their
glory days. They're behind them, and nearly everybody has got
on their phone a little digital library. However, that digital
library has to be curated rather well, and I'd have
to say that in some of these titles have fallen
well behind. They don't have their own app. For example,
the Listener that I wrote for for a number of years,
(05:19):
it doesn't have its own app that you can easily
open as you can for example, as Craig says, with
The Economist, and it's just sitting there for you. So
I think with the fall and advertising revenues, the increased
costs of paper for example, postage delivery, and people's changed habits,
I think it's probably going to be hard to find
an owner that's going to pay very much for these titles.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
The one thing I would say that it's you know,
we're all going to mess that long form curated journalism
that produces.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, well, I mean hopefully someone picks them up. It's
not the end of the story for these titles because
a couple, particularly Women's Weekly and The Listener, I think
are both brilliant and in very different ways. But reflect
to New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
You've been a coverboy on one of them all.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Right, many times, many times. It's no wonder they're not
flying off the shelves.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Need to get you on the cover again.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Cleared the Law journalist Craig g Reennie on The Huddle
Tonight Cleared the Law and Craig Greennie on The Huddle Tonight,
Teen Away from six. Craig, what do you think is
more important one thousand human jobs or ten thousand lizards.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Oh, it's a balance, but I think the lizards have
to be providing a lot of GDP to get past
that thousand human jobs.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
So you're on the side of the humans, You're on
the side of commerce.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I'm I'm on the side of transnixture of people have
incomes that they have, they have job security, communities have
something to look forward to. And you know, it's always
it's always a struggle. It's always a balance to balance
the needs of the bias, you know, the environment. But
we can we can probably do this better than we
do it now.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Clear Yeah, I agree. I want the lizards. I want
the jobs. I want the lizard to be relocated. I
want their DNA preserves so Peter Jackson can help us
up if something goes wrong. And I want the mining companies,
whatever licenses they get, I want them to be strictly supervised,
and I want them to come down on like a
ton of bricks if they don't, you know, observe their
(07:16):
right to mine.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Because the thing about it is we are as you know,
tourism's up there in terms of our export earners, and
people do come because they like to look at nice things,
not mine, So there is an economic argument for protecting
them too.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
But the lizards live under rocks, so people can't go
and just easily observe them. And also they're going to
squash them walking over their territory to go and see them.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
That's not going to work. Run you guys, something like
you just want to massacre that all the lizards.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Have you seen the Stockton open cast mining, Yes, where
they restore the ground. I mean, look, there are going
to be conservationists out there who hate me for this,
but I think it's as well done as it can be.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
You can unfart and.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
I think on the West Coast we have got to
the point where we don't let West Coasts move without
wanting to conserve every aspect of what's around them. The
natural beauty is phenomenal, but there's only like one percent
of it that has people living on it. Where people
do have to live, young people have to have a future.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah, we need opportunity in this country otherwise, as we've
seen from the stats today, we'll have more of them
leaving for Australia. Craig Renny and cleared the law on
the Huddle tonight.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
For more from Heather Duplessy, Allen Drive, listen live to
news Talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Unique Homes,
uniquely for you to our panel.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Cleared the Lord Journalists, good evening, good evening, and Craig
Rannie Seid to you economists with us this evening as well. Craig,
good evening to.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
You, Good even Hi Greg.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Great to have you both here. Forty years since the
bombing of the Rainbow Warrior. So many stories coming out today.
I interviewed a woman this morning actually who was the cook,
the chef on board the boat as it was, you know,
because it was hit twice, two bombs seven minutes apart.
Just amazing to look back on that and think that
it was, you know, the French secret service that did it.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Clear I know, as it unfolded, it seemed just as unreal,
unbelievable really, even though you know it had happened in
front of our very eyes, more or less. The idea
that the French were behind it, somebody we'd fought in
not that many years earlier than the Second World War
fought four the French was pretty amazing, but the anti
(01:00):
nuclear thing had kicked off big time at that stage,
and I'm afraid we found ourselves with allies who really
didn't have to finger in either protest or in any
other way.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
And then two years later we really cemented that stance,
that anti nuclear stance, Craig, do you I wonder whether
you think we would have done that if the rain
Bow Warrior thing hadn't happened.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
You know, I think it was certainly a cuff list.
I think it's certainly helped, But I like to think
that New Zealand as a country has had a long
and honorable position of you know, of supporting anti nuclear
compians and certainly being a country that doesn't want to
see nuclear weapons here. I think, you know, it certainly helped,
but I think in the long run, I can't see
New Zealand as a country either supporting USULO weapons or
(01:44):
supporting countries storing nudulo weapons in it in our country.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Do you think it makes the world safer having clear
having nuclear weapons as a as a deterrent?
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Well, I mean, you know, mutually assured destruction, you know, mad,
complete madness and insanity behind that belief. Whether or not
it has any veracity, it's really hard to say because
we never want to see it tested. But if it's
absolutely true. That means every country should have a little
(02:15):
arsenal that can take out their nearest neighbor or there
are closest perceived threat. I just think it's it's just
a very sad indictment on us that that should be
the case. And meanwhile, it's not as if the world
has been completely peaceful. Now there have been millions of
people ding in conflicts with conventional arms.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
All around the world.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Absolutely, but the fact that it hasn't escalated into a
global into a World War III. Craig, is that because
everyone's too scared because someone will bring out a nuke.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
I think it helps, but I mean, you know, it's
I guess the question is security for who? Because you know,
we have various Third world countries around the world, as
Claire has said, haven't seen security for decades, been conflicts
ranging across Africa, across Asia. We've seen, you know, there's
been security for those nations that have held nuclear weapons.
(03:10):
I think it'd all be more secure if those nuclear
weapons disappeared off the planet.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
The other thing is, after the war, there was the
development of all the multinational organizations and treaties, and until
the most recent iteration of madness by way of various
administrations we won't name, they have been observed. And I
think the worst thing that could have happened now is
non proliferation treaties will be very hard to get people
(03:38):
to sign up.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
But you can't say clear that you know that NATO
that well. You can't say that the u WIN, the
advent of the U WIN has stopped World War three.
It's it's that plus some firepower on the back, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
It's put some moral pressure on countries. It has brought
together countries where they have to get together and meet
at the generalists. They have to eyeball and meet face
to face with some people that they cannot stomach. They
sometimes have to sit around the same table as them.
But now we see that you and rendered moralist, toothless
and if you have a look at you in Security Council,
(04:14):
it's completely bonkers joke.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah. Hey, the owners of a women's weekly, the listeners
some really vital staples in your magazine bookshelf. Looking for
a buyer for these magazines, Craig, do you still read them?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I read magazines, but I think like many other people, Ryan,
I read them online. I don't read them in their
physical copy. I don't go to the you know, the
news agent, so the supermarket and buy them anymore. The
magazines I read, you know, they all tend to be
published online, Like The Economist that's already online. You know,
the Listener that's online, and it's just easier. And that's
(04:52):
where I tend to do. If I'm reading a magazine article,
I'll read it just like I read any of their
article I read on their website.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Yeah, magazine in their paper form have certainly had their
glory days. They're behind them, and nearly everybody has got
on their phone a little digital library. However, that digital
library has to be curated rather well, and I'd have
to say that in some of these titles have fallen
well behind. They don't have their own app. For example,
the Listener that I wrote for for a number of years,
(05:19):
it doesn't have its own app that you can easily
open as you can for example, as Craig says, with
The Economist, and it's just sitting there for you. So
I think with the fall and advertising revenues, the increased
costs of paper for example, postage delivery, and people's changed habits,
I think it's probably going to be hard to find
an owner that's going to pay very much for these titles.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
The one thing I would say that it's you know,
we're all going to mess that long form curated journalism
that produces.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, well, I mean hopefully someone picks them up. It's
not the end of the story for these titles because
a couple, particularly Women's Weekly and The Listener, I think
are both brilliant and in very different ways. But reflect
to New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
You've been a coverboy on one of them all.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Right, many times, many times. It's no wonder they're not
flying off the shelves.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Need to get you on the cover again.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Cleared the Law journalist Craig g Reennie on The Huddle
Tonight Cleared the Law and Craig Greennie on The Huddle Tonight,
Teen Away from six. Craig, what do you think is
more important one thousand human jobs or ten thousand lizards.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Oh, it's a balance, but I think the lizards have
to be providing a lot of GDP to get past
that thousand human jobs.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
So you're on the side of the humans, You're on
the side of commerce.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I'm I'm on the side of transnixture of people have
incomes that they have, they have job security, communities have
something to look forward to. And you know, it's always
it's always a struggle. It's always a balance to balance
the needs of the bias, you know, the environment. But
we can we can probably do this better than we
do it now.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Clear Yeah, I agree. I want the lizards. I want
the jobs. I want the lizard to be relocated. I
want their DNA preserves so Peter Jackson can help us
up if something goes wrong. And I want the mining companies,
whatever licenses they get, I want them to be strictly supervised,
and I want them to come down on like a
ton of bricks if they don't, you know, observe their
(07:16):
right to mine.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Because the thing about it is we are as you know,
tourism's up there in terms of our export earners, and
people do come because they like to look at nice things,
not mine, So there is an economic argument for protecting
them too.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
But the lizards live under rocks, so people can't go
and just easily observe them. And also they're going to
squash them walking over their territory to go and see them.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
That's not going to work. Run you guys, something like
you just want to massacre that all the lizards.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Have you seen the Stockton open cast mining, Yes, where
they restore the ground. I mean, look, there are going
to be conservationists out there who hate me for this,
but I think it's as well done as it can be.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
You can unfart and.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
I think on the West Coast we have got to
the point where we don't let West Coasts move without
wanting to conserve every aspect of what's around them. The
natural beauty is phenomenal, but there's only like one percent
of it that has people living on it. Where people
do have to live, young people have to have a future.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah, we need opportunity in this country otherwise, as we've
seen from the stats today, we'll have more of them
leaving for Australia. Craig Renny and cleared the law on
the Huddle tonight.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
For more from Heather Duplessy, Allen Drive, listen live to
news Talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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