July 24, 2025 • 11 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Phil O'Reilly from Iron Duke Partners and Ali Jones from Red PR joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
A group of healthcare workers want MPs to waive their and their families' private healthcare during their time in office to ensure they're not insulated from the realities of our public health system. What do we make of this?
The Government is set to scrap same-day enrolment as part of a planned electoral law overhaul. Is this change necessary - or bad for democracy?
Does Reserve Bank chair Neil Quigley need to resign because he failed to mention that Adrian had lost his cool at a Treasury staffer?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Unique Homes
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
The Huddle this evening' got Allie Jones, read PR fellow
Riley Iron Duke Partners and former Boss of Business New Zealand.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Hire you too, How you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I go, Ali, what do you think? Good idea?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
No?
Speaker 4 (00:17):
In fact, I can't even believe that you did that interview, Heather.
I've never heard of anything so ridiculous in my life.
I mean, what next? Are they going to make their
kids go to state schools so that you know, their
kids can experience you know, state schools.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
So actually alike it and Angelo they can send their
kids to public schools too.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Oh, how bloody ridiculous. What are they going to do?
Make them move into low socioeconomic housing areas as well
sell their cars so they've got to walk and catch
the train that Julianne's banging on about. No, I mean
all this is is just basically trying to get into
the news, and I'm really pleased that they have, but
it's a ridiculous idea.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Well yeah, I think it's the sun and you know
there's somewhere forty percent for zero percent of all New
Zealanders have some sort of health insurance, which demonstrates what
they're saying is completely wrong. That cannot be by definition
only wealthy New Zealanders. It must be working people and
so on. And of course what's also happening is that
health insurance is not just for its four sorts of things,
(01:16):
whether it's for dental care or for major medical emergency
and so on, and then actually helps New Zealand. In Australia,
they take this so seriously that they give you an
tax incentive to go and get private health insurance because
they know that that takes pressure off the public system.
So it's a silly thing to say, and I think
actually we should be proud that New Zealanders and such
numbers are prepared to take out an investment on making
(01:38):
sure that they just get the best care they possibly
can to celebrate, So I.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Think you know and have this is something people aren't
talking about. It's not only the politicians that make these decisions,
which is what you know. These people are wanting the
politicians to be aware of what the public health systems
like you are you to make all the bureaucrats that
write the reports and see them too. The policy you're
going to make them experience the public health system. It
doesn't make sense, I think.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
And the thing I suppose that it seems feel that
they believe that politicians are not motivated by trying to
do the best thing for the country, right, Like the
insinuation is if they don't have skin in the game,
then they're going to make crappy decisions for us, whereas
if they have skin in the game, they'll actually try.
But I believe politicians, even if I disagree with them,
are actually trying.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Don't you think that's exactly right? That's what's a stunt.
I mean, I don't know have a single politician of
any for I don't have many, many thousands probably over
the years now that didn't take these kinds of things
seriously and didn't what weren't trying to do their very
best for New Zealanders. They've got three different views about
how to do that. But of course, what we all
need to understand is we want money, lots of money
(02:41):
spent on all sorts of things, and the nature of
politics is it's about choices, and literally it's about rationing.
We can't have a four lane highway everywhere either, because
politicians are rationing in a pretty rational fashion usually how
that money might be spent. And I think we should
give them a bit more respect than that allow them
to carry on their private lives, and they should call
them to account for the perform that they have about
(03:01):
creating a great health system rather than some performative thing
some stunt about whether they have private joans or not.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
You're right now, Alie. Do you think people who don't
remember to enroll before voting day should be prohibited from voting?
Speaker 1 (03:14):
No?
Speaker 4 (03:14):
I don't, But I really hate that comment from Seymour.
I mean, who uses words like dropkick these days? And
you know these people are meant to be professional and statesman.
But I heard that and just cringed, and he's just
opening himself up and the argument actually to huge criticism.
I do agree with missus Goldsmith talking about how this
(03:36):
takes the pressure off come election day. I mean, we
saw it last time. It just takes a long time
to process everything when you're also processing so many people,
you know, enrolling on the day. So I do support it, Phil.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yeah, I think it's the right thing to do. Bear
in mind Australia, as ye is twice as long. Even
what's that on forteen days now Australias got twenty eight.
And I think the voting voting is not just a right,
it's also a responsibility.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
And I think if you're going to take it to
realize how many people might lose the ability to vote
as a result of this, well stupidity. But still I.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Don't think it is. I don't think it's going to
be that big because human nature is content wait till
the last minute to enroll, and it's the last one
of the sporting days out not on the day. I
think you'll find quite a few more people I think
will actually get roll.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, you're right. I mean people will see the deadline
and some of them will get their a energy. But
what if it is fill as big as three hundred
thousand people, which Paul Goldsmith was a number that he
pulled out, that's massive.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Well, first, I doubt it is that big. But even
if it is, as I say, voting is a responsibility
as well as a right, if you're not prepared to
take the responsibility, tesh, you look at what the policies
are to register yourself in good time and to enable
the electoral result to be known more quickly than was
the case last time. I think that's good for the country. Either.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
It's not part of our life though, right, why aren't
we teaching civics and schools? I mean that's another thing.
People don't understand what's going on, and I think it
was Actually if it was actually a part of our curriculum,
then people would be able to carry that toront out
or and they might enroll.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
You don't think people already know Ali, they see the
Orange man, they know that's that's part of the job
that I think they just can't be They know that.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
They don't care. Now you're right, they don't care. But
what I'm saying is, if you're teaching civics and school
you can actually explain to people how important it is
the exercise that democratic right.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Okay, I see I am going soft to my old day,
the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the ones
for unmassed results.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Hither you have become soft. You shouldn't have read Justinder's book.
That was my mistake, Dennis, that was bang on. That
was my mistake. She's gotten to my head. Actually, I'll
talk about a book I'm reading in just a minute, Phil, Okay,
do we want to talk.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
About Adrian or.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
If you want, should Neil quickly could well? Is the
just the whole thing was just a mess, wasn't it
the way the whole thing was handled. So where I
think Neil Quickly should be considering how he reacted and
what he should do about it was not necessarily because
maybe someone was mislead, maybe he didn't disclose something was
(06:05):
the whole process was a bit of a mess, and
it shouldn't have been because, of course, the confidence of
the financial markets is very much defined by the Reserve
Bank being seen as very stable and above board. So
it was the whole way the thing was treated that
I think got everybody in trouble. And the fact we're
still raking over the coals just demonstrate.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
But the only reason we're raking over the coals fill
because they didn't tell us everything up front, right, And
then you go you OIA the Treasury, you get a
whole bunch of documents, but you don't get this, and
you go back in u OIA again. Now you get
this email. It's just it's just it really is making
them look like they tried to hide it.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Well that's exactly right, and whether they did or not,
and I, you know, I had a lot of trust
and place in ner Quickly. He's a very high quality
New Zealander. But that sort of process is just unacceptable
in a public position of the type that the Reserve
Bank governor is, you know, So you can't just hide
behind privacy and say, wow, I'm not going to see here. No,
you need to explain to the markets and to everybody else,
(07:03):
because the Reserve Bank's so important in all of our
lives exactly what happened in otherwise you'll get people not
having confidence in the Reserve Bank. So that's really what
I think Neil Quickly and the Board of the Reserve
Bank should be thinking about did we do that right?
What should be the consequences of that? And you know,
does that matter resignation? I don't know the answer the question,
but that's really the conversation I think, rather than you know, what,
(07:25):
was there a misleading conversation about a particular statement that
was made?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Alie, what do you think?
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Look, I agree, Look I think this is front footing
now I think that they were I mean, if I
was advising them, they need to come out it needs
to be in there, Culpra. I don't think this is
a sackable offense. I get very tired of people wanting
people's heads on sticks. People make mistakes, and I think
this was a mistake. It was poorly handled, as you said, Phil,
but I think now they need to come out and
(07:51):
say that and own it and allow everyone to move on.
And by not actually doing that, as you said earlier here,
that this is just going on and on and on
enough already.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yep, I agree with that all right now. I'm feeling
reasonably chuffed with ourselves, with all of us collectively, Phil,
for the way that we've handled the transgender rules, the
inclusive you know, the participation in community sport without it
getting ugly.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
What do you think, Yeah, I think we are Issually
we managed to dodge I think you you're right about
dodging a bottle of this because in other countries in
the UK, of the US and so on, it's just
turned into a mess. And I actually agree what the
government's trying to do here, even that, even if I
wasn't trying to be anti woke, you know, in the
way that they are will certainly the New Zealand first
guys are because I think it should be down to
a decision of the sport, given the kind of the
(08:37):
best basic nature of each individual sport. And I was
thinking this afternoon, there's a big difference between rugby on
the one hand, a contact sport, and snooker. So maybe
if you're the head of the snooker sport, you say, well,
here's here's some rules because it doesn't matter so much.
But in the case of rugby, there's a physical safety
issue involved, so you can have a different think about that.
And I think so, I think it should be that
(08:57):
left down to each individual sport, but I think they're
over things should be that people should be able to participate.
Of course that's the idea, but you know the different
sports that act in different ways, and so you've just
got to I think it's the right thing that comments,
don't you.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, Ali, I agree, And at least you know it
didn't go full ugly like it was going to go
with Winston Peters wanted to withhold funding and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Ah No, I agree, but and I agree with you
as well, and Phil, I think they have dodged a bullet.
But my question is I'm going to sound like Luckson. Now,
my question to you is, should we have dodged the bullet?
Is this about dodging a bullet? What I get frustrated
about is that no one seems to be prepared to
have a conversation about these things. And the more we
dodge the bullet and the more we don't talk about it,
(09:37):
the more we don't actually get it out into the
old we are we.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Are going to have the conversation because every single sport
is going to have to have the conversation, right, so
the hard stuff?
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Actually yeah, but is that fair too? I mean, by
removing the guidelines, you're essentially going not our problem and
handing it over to each individual group. Now, is it
fair for each individual group and their community to be
able to or have to be dealing with it in
in their community?
Speaker 2 (10:01):
You have politicians can't just make one rule for as
Phil was saying, rugby that also applies to snooker.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
No, and you don't have to. So the guidelines should
have taken that into consideration. I think that's pretty slack
of the government. Yeah, I think they should have provided
the guidelines and then allowed the organization some movement within those.
But the conversation's got to be had. We can't keep
dodging the bullet.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah, guys, listen, Yes, I.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Think it's I think it's the best handled closest to
those participating in the sport bureaucrats in Wellington deciding what
should or should not happen actually is what leads to
those kinds of arguments. I think it's much better to
be done by sports people and by sports administrators closer
to the action, closer to their communities, and they'll see
what's acceptable to their communities and they'll be able to
handle that. So I actually think it's the right thing
(10:45):
to do, not just in terms of result of getting
it out, but also in terms of resolving it.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Guys, lovely to chat to the pair of you. Thank you, Phillo, Riley,
Alli Jones the huddle this evening. Hither they teach Civics
in American high school. That's gone well, hasn't it? Ate
Away from
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
The Huddle this evening' got Allie Jones, read PR fellow
Riley Iron Duke Partners and former Boss of Business New Zealand.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Hire you too, How you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I go, Ali, what do you think? Good idea?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
No?
Speaker 4 (00:17):
In fact, I can't even believe that you did that interview, Heather.
I've never heard of anything so ridiculous in my life.
I mean, what next? Are they going to make their
kids go to state schools so that you know, their
kids can experience you know, state schools.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
So actually alike it and Angelo they can send their
kids to public schools too.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Oh, how bloody ridiculous. What are they going to do?
Make them move into low socioeconomic housing areas as well
sell their cars so they've got to walk and catch
the train that Julianne's banging on about. No, I mean
all this is is just basically trying to get into
the news, and I'm really pleased that they have, but
it's a ridiculous idea.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Well yeah, I think it's the sun and you know
there's somewhere forty percent for zero percent of all New
Zealanders have some sort of health insurance, which demonstrates what
they're saying is completely wrong. That cannot be by definition
only wealthy New Zealanders. It must be working people and
so on. And of course what's also happening is that
health insurance is not just for its four sorts of things,
(01:16):
whether it's for dental care or for major medical emergency
and so on, and then actually helps New Zealand. In Australia,
they take this so seriously that they give you an
tax incentive to go and get private health insurance because
they know that that takes pressure off the public system.
So it's a silly thing to say, and I think
actually we should be proud that New Zealanders and such
numbers are prepared to take out an investment on making
(01:38):
sure that they just get the best care they possibly
can to celebrate, So I.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Think you know and have this is something people aren't
talking about. It's not only the politicians that make these decisions,
which is what you know. These people are wanting the
politicians to be aware of what the public health systems
like you are you to make all the bureaucrats that
write the reports and see them too. The policy you're
going to make them experience the public health system. It
doesn't make sense, I think.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
And the thing I suppose that it seems feel that
they believe that politicians are not motivated by trying to
do the best thing for the country, right, Like the
insinuation is if they don't have skin in the game,
then they're going to make crappy decisions for us, whereas
if they have skin in the game, they'll actually try.
But I believe politicians, even if I disagree with them,
are actually trying.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Don't you think that's exactly right? That's what's a stunt.
I mean, I don't know have a single politician of
any for I don't have many, many thousands probably over
the years now that didn't take these kinds of things
seriously and didn't what weren't trying to do their very
best for New Zealanders. They've got three different views about
how to do that. But of course, what we all
need to understand is we want money, lots of money
(02:41):
spent on all sorts of things, and the nature of
politics is it's about choices, and literally it's about rationing.
We can't have a four lane highway everywhere either, because
politicians are rationing in a pretty rational fashion usually how
that money might be spent. And I think we should
give them a bit more respect than that allow them
to carry on their private lives, and they should call
them to account for the perform that they have about
(03:01):
creating a great health system rather than some performative thing
some stunt about whether they have private joans or not.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
You're right now, Alie. Do you think people who don't
remember to enroll before voting day should be prohibited from voting?
Speaker 1 (03:14):
No?
Speaker 4 (03:14):
I don't, But I really hate that comment from Seymour.
I mean, who uses words like dropkick these days? And
you know these people are meant to be professional and statesman.
But I heard that and just cringed, and he's just
opening himself up and the argument actually to huge criticism.
I do agree with missus Goldsmith talking about how this
(03:36):
takes the pressure off come election day. I mean, we
saw it last time. It just takes a long time
to process everything when you're also processing so many people,
you know, enrolling on the day. So I do support it, Phil.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yeah, I think it's the right thing to do. Bear
in mind Australia, as ye is twice as long. Even
what's that on forteen days now Australias got twenty eight.
And I think the voting voting is not just a right,
it's also a responsibility.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
And I think if you're going to take it to
realize how many people might lose the ability to vote
as a result of this, well stupidity. But still I.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Don't think it is. I don't think it's going to
be that big because human nature is content wait till
the last minute to enroll, and it's the last one
of the sporting days out not on the day. I
think you'll find quite a few more people I think
will actually get roll.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, you're right. I mean people will see the deadline
and some of them will get their a energy. But
what if it is fill as big as three hundred
thousand people, which Paul Goldsmith was a number that he
pulled out, that's massive.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Well, first, I doubt it is that big. But even
if it is, as I say, voting is a responsibility
as well as a right, if you're not prepared to
take the responsibility, tesh, you look at what the policies
are to register yourself in good time and to enable
the electoral result to be known more quickly than was
the case last time. I think that's good for the country. Either.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
It's not part of our life though, right, why aren't
we teaching civics and schools? I mean that's another thing.
People don't understand what's going on, and I think it
was Actually if it was actually a part of our curriculum,
then people would be able to carry that toront out
or and they might enroll.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
You don't think people already know Ali, they see the
Orange man, they know that's that's part of the job
that I think they just can't be They know that.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
They don't care. Now you're right, they don't care. But
what I'm saying is, if you're teaching civics and school
you can actually explain to people how important it is
the exercise that democratic right.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Okay, I see I am going soft to my old day,
the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the ones
for unmassed results.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Hither you have become soft. You shouldn't have read Justinder's book.
That was my mistake, Dennis, that was bang on. That
was my mistake. She's gotten to my head. Actually, I'll
talk about a book I'm reading in just a minute, Phil, Okay,
do we want to talk.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
About Adrian or.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
If you want, should Neil quickly could well? Is the
just the whole thing was just a mess, wasn't it
the way the whole thing was handled. So where I
think Neil Quickly should be considering how he reacted and
what he should do about it was not necessarily because
maybe someone was mislead, maybe he didn't disclose something was
(06:05):
the whole process was a bit of a mess, and
it shouldn't have been because, of course, the confidence of
the financial markets is very much defined by the Reserve
Bank being seen as very stable and above board. So
it was the whole way the thing was treated that
I think got everybody in trouble. And the fact we're
still raking over the coals just demonstrate.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
But the only reason we're raking over the coals fill
because they didn't tell us everything up front, right, And
then you go you OIA the Treasury, you get a
whole bunch of documents, but you don't get this, and
you go back in u OIA again. Now you get
this email. It's just it's just it really is making
them look like they tried to hide it.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Well that's exactly right, and whether they did or not,
and I, you know, I had a lot of trust
and place in ner Quickly. He's a very high quality
New Zealander. But that sort of process is just unacceptable
in a public position of the type that the Reserve
Bank governor is, you know, So you can't just hide
behind privacy and say, wow, I'm not going to see here. No,
you need to explain to the markets and to everybody else,
(07:03):
because the Reserve Bank's so important in all of our
lives exactly what happened in otherwise you'll get people not
having confidence in the Reserve Bank. So that's really what
I think Neil Quickly and the Board of the Reserve
Bank should be thinking about did we do that right?
What should be the consequences of that? And you know,
does that matter resignation? I don't know the answer the question,
but that's really the conversation I think, rather than you know, what,
(07:25):
was there a misleading conversation about a particular statement that
was made?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Alie, what do you think?
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Look, I agree, Look I think this is front footing
now I think that they were I mean, if I
was advising them, they need to come out it needs
to be in there, Culpra. I don't think this is
a sackable offense. I get very tired of people wanting
people's heads on sticks. People make mistakes, and I think
this was a mistake. It was poorly handled, as you said, Phil,
but I think now they need to come out and
(07:51):
say that and own it and allow everyone to move on.
And by not actually doing that, as you said earlier here,
that this is just going on and on and on
enough already.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yep, I agree with that all right now. I'm feeling
reasonably chuffed with ourselves, with all of us collectively, Phil,
for the way that we've handled the transgender rules, the
inclusive you know, the participation in community sport without it
getting ugly.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
What do you think, Yeah, I think we are Issually
we managed to dodge I think you you're right about
dodging a bottle of this because in other countries in
the UK, of the US and so on, it's just
turned into a mess. And I actually agree what the
government's trying to do here, even that, even if I
wasn't trying to be anti woke, you know, in the
way that they are will certainly the New Zealand first
guys are because I think it should be down to
a decision of the sport, given the kind of the
(08:37):
best basic nature of each individual sport. And I was
thinking this afternoon, there's a big difference between rugby on
the one hand, a contact sport, and snooker. So maybe
if you're the head of the snooker sport, you say, well,
here's here's some rules because it doesn't matter so much.
But in the case of rugby, there's a physical safety
issue involved, so you can have a different think about that.
And I think so, I think it should be that
(08:57):
left down to each individual sport, but I think they're
over things should be that people should be able to participate.
Of course that's the idea, but you know the different
sports that act in different ways, and so you've just
got to I think it's the right thing that comments,
don't you.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, Ali, I agree, And at least you know it
didn't go full ugly like it was going to go
with Winston Peters wanted to withhold funding and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Ah No, I agree, but and I agree with you
as well, and Phil, I think they have dodged a bullet.
But my question is I'm going to sound like Luckson. Now,
my question to you is, should we have dodged the bullet?
Is this about dodging a bullet? What I get frustrated
about is that no one seems to be prepared to
have a conversation about these things. And the more we
dodge the bullet and the more we don't talk about it,
(09:37):
the more we don't actually get it out into the
old we are we.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Are going to have the conversation because every single sport
is going to have to have the conversation, right, so
the hard stuff?
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Actually yeah, but is that fair too? I mean, by
removing the guidelines, you're essentially going not our problem and
handing it over to each individual group. Now, is it
fair for each individual group and their community to be
able to or have to be dealing with it in
in their community?
Speaker 2 (10:01):
You have politicians can't just make one rule for as
Phil was saying, rugby that also applies to snooker.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
No, and you don't have to. So the guidelines should
have taken that into consideration. I think that's pretty slack
of the government. Yeah, I think they should have provided
the guidelines and then allowed the organization some movement within those.
But the conversation's got to be had. We can't keep
dodging the bullet.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah, guys, listen, Yes, I.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Think it's I think it's the best handled closest to
those participating in the sport bureaucrats in Wellington deciding what
should or should not happen actually is what leads to
those kinds of arguments. I think it's much better to
be done by sports people and by sports administrators closer
to the action, closer to their communities, and they'll see
what's acceptable to their communities and they'll be able to
handle that. So I actually think it's the right thing
(10:45):
to do, not just in terms of result of getting
it out, but also in terms of resolving it.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Guys, lovely to chat to the pair of you. Thank you, Phillo, Riley,
Alli Jones the huddle this evening. Hither they teach Civics
in American high school. That's gone well, hasn't it? Ate
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