July 3, 2025 • 9 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Wellbeing Economy Alliance director Gareth Hughes and Jordan Williams from the Taxpayers' Union joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
Experts have coined the term 'passenger parenting' - what do we make of this phenomenon?
What did we think of UK chancellor Rachel Reeves crying in the House? Is there an argument for more vulnerability in public - or has this display done women a disservice?
Have this week's law and order changes been a sign the Government is trying to shore up some wins ahead of the election?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty find you're
one of a guide.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
With us on the huddle. Gareth Hugh's director of the
Well Being Economy Alliance outsid Or obviously former Green MP,
and Jordan Williams of the Taxpayers Union. Hello lads't you do? Gareth?
You've got two teenagers? You have any passenger parents in
going on?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Yeah, I've probably been guilty of it in the past,
if I'm honest. It's funny. Also, there's a bit of
a social thing that happens sometimes when I'm the main
parent listed on the school of the end or whatever,
it's the school who still calls their mum rather than me.
So yeah, I think not like you here, that we've
put a lot of work into it, and I don't
think we call ourselves passenger pearance anymore.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, what about you, Jordan?
Speaker 4 (00:40):
I think it always changes, although my kids are still
quite young. But I'm.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
What does that mean?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Well, sometimes children.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
The good cop bad cop routine. I just told my
two year old off at the table and my five
year old told me off for leaving the table early
to come and do this interview. So I mean, like
any relationship though there's there's some clothes. But as I've
said on the show before, I picked Well, my other
half's a pediatric intensive care nurse, so there are some
(01:10):
matters where I am the passenger and I have.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
To give you, Jordan, to be fair to you. Your
other half is on is actually not working right, it's
full time parenting.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Well, she works part time, but yeah, I mean we
like any partnership, you specialize and that's normal, and that
will change as as the kids get up, as the
kids get older, and you might want to go back
to work full time.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
For example, Laura the German is shaking her head at
you right now. Why Why are you shaking your head
at him?
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Laura, Laura, she's always telling me off.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
She says, you're you're copping out. As a cop out,
she said.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
If I picked my daddle, sometimes I have to defer
to management.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
No, that's fair enough.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Hey, Gareth, I saw Rachel Reeves crying in the House
of Commons in Parliament, and I feel incredibly sorry for her.
She is in a difficult position and she's trying so
hard not to cry. But I want women in big
positions like that to stop crying in public. What do
you think.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Oh, I saw the video too, and it was kind
of heartbreaking. She looked so tired and so exhausted. She's
clearly been through a lot with this massive contentious bill
that's gone through, but look, we've got so much worse
in our parliament or when you go to Westminster. I'd
much rather someone was a true person and shared some
emotion rather than yelling or insulting. If people haven't seen
the footage, you know, this is kind of a zoomed
(02:35):
and image of her standing behind Starma giving a speech.
It's not like she was giving a speech on the
state of the British economy. You know, she had to
express confidence and.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
No and the important things.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
The private issue.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
The important thing, Gareth is that she's sitting there having
done all his dirty work for him, while he is
basically making it clear that he might fire her. Right,
so you can understand why she wants to cry. But
I don't think women should cry in public. We should
take could take it away and do it privately. Don't
you think.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I think it would be better if some men politicians
actually expressed the emotions and sometimes should be a place
where everyone's welcome.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Okay, Okay, well do you think, Jordan.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
I tend to believe in that in the stiff upper lip.
But that's naive, you know, But we often forget that
politicians are human. And I too much to the left
wing twitter back then or the spin offs Delight. I
once cried in court and I deeply embarrassed, but it
(03:38):
was human and politicians are human too. I think that
it is. I don't think that it is a weakness
or anything at least sort of over the top. And
I know we live in a world now where everything's
overly emotional and catastrophized and over the top, and we
sent to encourage emotions, but I actually think that was
the case here. This this this politician, you know, her
(04:00):
whole life has been leading up to this moment, and
she's failing, and she's so clearly she's failing in front
of the whole of Britain.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Well and now because she cried in front of them,
they absolutely know it. But I appreciate your views on it.
Will take a break come back.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international Realty achieve extraordinary
results with unparallel reach.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Back on the Huddle, Jordan Williams and Gareth Hughes Jordan.
Are you impressed with the law and order announcements from
the government this week?
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Yeah, I was when I saw it, but when I
dig into the detail and I had a quick chat
to the Senseful Sentencing Trust people and they're really unimpressed.
Particularly the coward punch announcement. It's actually a bit of
a scam because at the moment that's often very occasionally
charged his murder, but usually charged with manslaughter, which this
(04:52):
is just going to replace. And it doesn't have a
minimum sentence, unlike Australia, where a lot of states have
put in coward punch legislation. In fact one, I understand
a minimum of eight years. So really saying that we're
taking this seriously in New Zealand under this, it's going
to be no different we get home to tention or
if it's a really bad case, three or four years.
(05:12):
So it's a little bit of window dressing. They might
be being a little bit hard. Simply a government talking
about law and order and saying we're getting tough does
actually have a detrimental effect. It's probably why when some
states in the US have three strikes legislation it's not
just that state, it's actually neighboring states. It's been shown
(05:33):
it reduces crime. Simply getting the message that the new
sheriff in town hues the pun is actually does appear
to make a difference. So maybe the jawboning to talk
down crime, but in terms of the actual Senate thing,
some of these things are pretty hollow.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
What do you think, Garrett, Yeah, I agree with Jordan.
Might be the first time ever this is you know,
I think a case these series of announcement long on
public relations, but very short on evidence or any proof
how these are going to be effective at all. You
know they're trying to. I think they're on the politically,
on the back foot. We know that, you know, crime
is the fifth highest issue on the HIPSOS issue of
(06:10):
issues that matter to kiwis at the moment, where on
the back foot when the police had a memo ey
this year saying that shoplifting wasn't going to be investigated.
You know, it's not coming down fast enough, and so
they're going for the simplest, quickst policies that get a
headline rather than really address the root issues or even
some of the systemic issues that we know are causing
(06:32):
these issues. What they're trying to demonstrate is what Jordan's
saying through these flurry of releases, that they're really focused
on crime. And that's I think the lesson the left
should pick up too. They don't want to look like
they're not focused on crime, because ultimately it's many of
the lowest paid and most vulnerable our society who are
the victims of that crime itself.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah too, Right now, Jordan, there is a called out
of Victoria apropos. What's going on with these guys in
the child care center? To ban men from childca centers
all together? What do you think?
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Life's quite shocked about how wide spread in some of
these horrendous cases in Australia. I didn't quite I hadn't
realized it was quite that bad. But I mean the
owners of the owner of our child my two year
olds child centers a bloke, I think it's quite good
to have men in these child care centers, especially when
(07:23):
we've got and it's just like there's very few male
school teachers at primary schools in a society where there's
a lot of absent dads and a lot of single
parent families with dad, you know, not in the household.
I think it's a great shame and the idea of
banning men from being able to work at childcare centers
I think is pretty poor. You know, yeah, I don't
(07:45):
like cast Everyone shouldn't be painted with that br.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
What do you say, Gareth, Well, if we're going to
ban them from child care centers, probably working in churches
and movie productions and lawyers offices and other powerful positions.
I mean, look, this is a really horrific case. And
I understand this guy. We's at twenty different centers in
the last eight years. I don't even know how this
is possible in twenty twenty five. I was a trainee
(08:10):
high school teacher about twenty years ago, and back then
it was drummed into us, you know, not being in
a room with that was a teenager, let alone, you know,
a child by yourself. So something's horribly broken down with
the rules and the processes. But I agree with Jordan,
we probably it might not feel that weird to be
saying it now, but we probably need more men working
(08:30):
in childcare centers. We've got one of the lowest rates
in the world. It's about one point eight percent a male,
So we see young kids missing out on rail male
role models, you know, the different types of strengths that
men bring to these roles. But we've got to make
sure we've got these good protections in place so it
can never ever happen.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yeah too right, Thank you so much. Guys appreciated Jordan
William's Gareth user howdle Gareth makes an excellent point.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
How could it?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
If you think how ken do your a day care
works nowadays? How on earth could that even happen?
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Right?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
If somebody was away with kid for an extended period
of time, surely people would flag things, wouldn't they. There's
something has gone wrong with the sky in Victoria. Eight
away from six.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks the'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty find you're
one of a guide.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
With us on the huddle. Gareth Hugh's director of the
Well Being Economy Alliance outsid Or obviously former Green MP,
and Jordan Williams of the Taxpayers Union. Hello lads't you do? Gareth?
You've got two teenagers? You have any passenger parents in
going on?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Yeah, I've probably been guilty of it in the past,
if I'm honest. It's funny. Also, there's a bit of
a social thing that happens sometimes when I'm the main
parent listed on the school of the end or whatever,
it's the school who still calls their mum rather than me.
So yeah, I think not like you here, that we've
put a lot of work into it, and I don't
think we call ourselves passenger pearance anymore.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, what about you, Jordan?
Speaker 4 (00:40):
I think it always changes, although my kids are still
quite young. But I'm.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
What does that mean?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Well, sometimes children.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
The good cop bad cop routine. I just told my
two year old off at the table and my five
year old told me off for leaving the table early
to come and do this interview. So I mean, like
any relationship though there's there's some clothes. But as I've
said on the show before, I picked Well, my other
half's a pediatric intensive care nurse, so there are some
(01:10):
matters where I am the passenger and I have.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
To give you, Jordan, to be fair to you. Your
other half is on is actually not working right, it's
full time parenting.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Well, she works part time, but yeah, I mean we
like any partnership, you specialize and that's normal, and that
will change as as the kids get up, as the
kids get older, and you might want to go back
to work full time.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
For example, Laura the German is shaking her head at
you right now. Why Why are you shaking your head
at him?
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Laura, Laura, she's always telling me off.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
She says, you're you're copping out. As a cop out,
she said.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
If I picked my daddle, sometimes I have to defer
to management.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
No, that's fair enough.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Hey, Gareth, I saw Rachel Reeves crying in the House
of Commons in Parliament, and I feel incredibly sorry for her.
She is in a difficult position and she's trying so
hard not to cry. But I want women in big
positions like that to stop crying in public. What do
you think.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Oh, I saw the video too, and it was kind
of heartbreaking. She looked so tired and so exhausted. She's
clearly been through a lot with this massive contentious bill
that's gone through, but look, we've got so much worse
in our parliament or when you go to Westminster. I'd
much rather someone was a true person and shared some
emotion rather than yelling or insulting. If people haven't seen
the footage, you know, this is kind of a zoomed
(02:35):
and image of her standing behind Starma giving a speech.
It's not like she was giving a speech on the
state of the British economy. You know, she had to
express confidence and.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
No and the important things.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
The private issue.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
The important thing, Gareth is that she's sitting there having
done all his dirty work for him, while he is
basically making it clear that he might fire her. Right,
so you can understand why she wants to cry. But
I don't think women should cry in public. We should
take could take it away and do it privately. Don't
you think.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I think it would be better if some men politicians
actually expressed the emotions and sometimes should be a place
where everyone's welcome.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Okay, Okay, well do you think, Jordan.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
I tend to believe in that in the stiff upper lip.
But that's naive, you know, But we often forget that
politicians are human. And I too much to the left
wing twitter back then or the spin offs Delight. I
once cried in court and I deeply embarrassed, but it
(03:38):
was human and politicians are human too. I think that
it is. I don't think that it is a weakness
or anything at least sort of over the top. And
I know we live in a world now where everything's
overly emotional and catastrophized and over the top, and we
sent to encourage emotions, but I actually think that was
the case here. This this this politician, you know, her
(04:00):
whole life has been leading up to this moment, and
she's failing, and she's so clearly she's failing in front
of the whole of Britain.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Well and now because she cried in front of them,
they absolutely know it. But I appreciate your views on it.
Will take a break come back.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international Realty achieve extraordinary
results with unparallel reach.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Back on the Huddle, Jordan Williams and Gareth Hughes Jordan.
Are you impressed with the law and order announcements from
the government this week?
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Yeah, I was when I saw it, but when I
dig into the detail and I had a quick chat
to the Senseful Sentencing Trust people and they're really unimpressed.
Particularly the coward punch announcement. It's actually a bit of
a scam because at the moment that's often very occasionally
charged his murder, but usually charged with manslaughter, which this
(04:52):
is just going to replace. And it doesn't have a
minimum sentence, unlike Australia, where a lot of states have
put in coward punch legislation. In fact one, I understand
a minimum of eight years. So really saying that we're
taking this seriously in New Zealand under this, it's going
to be no different we get home to tention or
if it's a really bad case, three or four years.
(05:12):
So it's a little bit of window dressing. They might
be being a little bit hard. Simply a government talking
about law and order and saying we're getting tough does
actually have a detrimental effect. It's probably why when some
states in the US have three strikes legislation it's not
just that state, it's actually neighboring states. It's been shown
(05:33):
it reduces crime. Simply getting the message that the new
sheriff in town hues the pun is actually does appear
to make a difference. So maybe the jawboning to talk
down crime, but in terms of the actual Senate thing,
some of these things are pretty hollow.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
What do you think, Garrett, Yeah, I agree with Jordan.
Might be the first time ever this is you know,
I think a case these series of announcement long on
public relations, but very short on evidence or any proof
how these are going to be effective at all. You
know they're trying to. I think they're on the politically,
on the back foot. We know that, you know, crime
is the fifth highest issue on the HIPSOS issue of
(06:10):
issues that matter to kiwis at the moment, where on
the back foot when the police had a memo ey
this year saying that shoplifting wasn't going to be investigated.
You know, it's not coming down fast enough, and so
they're going for the simplest, quickst policies that get a
headline rather than really address the root issues or even
some of the systemic issues that we know are causing
(06:32):
these issues. What they're trying to demonstrate is what Jordan's
saying through these flurry of releases, that they're really focused
on crime. And that's I think the lesson the left
should pick up too. They don't want to look like
they're not focused on crime, because ultimately it's many of
the lowest paid and most vulnerable our society who are
the victims of that crime itself.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah too, Right now, Jordan, there is a called out
of Victoria apropos. What's going on with these guys in
the child care center? To ban men from childca centers
all together? What do you think?
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Life's quite shocked about how wide spread in some of
these horrendous cases in Australia. I didn't quite I hadn't
realized it was quite that bad. But I mean the
owners of the owner of our child my two year
olds child centers a bloke, I think it's quite good
to have men in these child care centers, especially when
(07:23):
we've got and it's just like there's very few male
school teachers at primary schools in a society where there's
a lot of absent dads and a lot of single
parent families with dad, you know, not in the household.
I think it's a great shame and the idea of
banning men from being able to work at childcare centers
I think is pretty poor. You know, yeah, I don't
(07:45):
like cast Everyone shouldn't be painted with that br.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
What do you say, Gareth, Well, if we're going to
ban them from child care centers, probably working in churches
and movie productions and lawyers offices and other powerful positions.
I mean, look, this is a really horrific case. And
I understand this guy. We's at twenty different centers in
the last eight years. I don't even know how this
is possible in twenty twenty five. I was a trainee
(08:10):
high school teacher about twenty years ago, and back then
it was drummed into us, you know, not being in
a room with that was a teenager, let alone, you know,
a child by yourself. So something's horribly broken down with
the rules and the processes. But I agree with Jordan,
we probably it might not feel that weird to be
saying it now, but we probably need more men working
(08:30):
in childcare centers. We've got one of the lowest rates
in the world. It's about one point eight percent a male,
So we see young kids missing out on rail male
role models, you know, the different types of strengths that
men bring to these roles. But we've got to make
sure we've got these good protections in place so it
can never ever happen.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yeah too right, Thank you so much. Guys appreciated Jordan
William's Gareth user howdle Gareth makes an excellent point.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
How could it?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
If you think how ken do your a day care
works nowadays? How on earth could that even happen?
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Right?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
If somebody was away with kid for an extended period
of time, surely people would flag things, wouldn't they. There's
something has gone wrong with the sky in Victoria. Eight
away from six.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
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news talks the'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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