February 17, 2025 • 9 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Trish Sherson from Sherson Willis PR and Child Fund CEO Josie Pagani joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
It's now up to the Minister whether or not to deport an 18-year old NZ-born Indian teenager. His parents are here illegally and are also set to be deported. What do we think about this case?
The Destiny Church crowd made headlines again after they crashed a drag storytime event at a West Auckland library over the weekend? What can we do about this?
Are we all getting sick of QR codes in restaurants?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The huddle with New Zealand Southby's international realty, local and
global exposure like no other.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
True Huson from Sherston, Willis pr and Josie Bigani's CEO
of Child Fund with me this evening, Good evening, evening. Hello,
good to see you.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Now.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Do you think Josie will start with you? Do you
think he should stay or do you think you should go?
I mean, it's obviously not his fault, but it is
the pearance.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
He's born here, and until two thousand and six we
had an automatic citizenship. If you were born here, you're
a baby. You've got no decision making whatsoever. Most countries
have that as your last The lawyer just said in
the US it's a big issue birthright citizenship. Most countries
have birthright citizenship. We changed it. I can't even remember
(00:46):
why we changed it, Ryan, I mean, it makes sense
if the kid's born here, they're in New Zealander. And
it's not like we have a massive problem like other
countries of poorest borders, where people can just walk across
the border and hide in hedge. The last person who
arrived here illegally on a boat was Captain Cook. You know,
if you can cross the Tasma Ocean. Good luck to you.
(01:08):
We want you, but obviously an entrepreneur, you know what.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I mean, we keep them. Yeah, but if we keep
the rules tight, Trish, then we do discourage that type
of thing from happening. I mean, you had examples of
Chinese women going to La going to all over the
States really to have their baby there, you know, on
a tourist visa, basically have their baby there to drop
it there so that they can then have birthrights for
(01:31):
the child.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Yeah, this is one of the big topics around the
US is birth tourism, because that's one of the things
that was identified. Funnily enough, a woman would go, she
was close to giving birth, she would book into a
resort and give birth there. This is a very tricky
situation because no matter what happens here, it is this
(01:53):
this family will split up, so at a minimum that
the parents will be sent back. It may be the
parents and the sun and then the daughter is left
here on their own. I think this is probably a
very stark reminder to people who are overstaying here that
if you have a child, you know that child is
(02:15):
not going to be automatically A New Zealand citizen. And
I thought the lawyers reminded to people to get this
stuff sorted out is a good one, even if it's
going to be difficult. Otherwise you will end up with
families in these in these kinds of situations. And as
I understand it, at least one of the parents they
have been an overstayer for some twenty four years, and
(02:39):
it is a reminder that these problems they don't go away.
And unfortunately for this eighteen year old, you know, he
is the one who's going to face the difficult situation.
But then you know, part of the immigration rules are
because we have to have we have to have rules.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
And you have to say those and you do have
to have rules.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
You do have to have rules, right. I mean that
no one is saying open borders. But it seems to
me the reason that most countries have a birthright citizenship
law is that you know, if you're if you're born
here through no fault of your own, you've got no
say of it whatsoever. You grow up in New Zealander,
you speak our lingo, you you do the raised eyebrow,
(03:20):
you know, cureda like everybody else. You know, you you
are culturally in every way you are in New Zealander
and and to send this kid back where he doesn't
know the language, he doesn't know he doesn't have any
connection to India whatsoever. That's why you have a birthright citizenship.
And there are other ways of trying to stop the
birthright the birth tourism, as you say, Trish, I mean
(03:41):
maybe it's around the airlines. You know you can't travel
when you're close to giving birth. I mean, you know,
we don't have a massive illegal stayers problem like we
do like they do in the US and the UK
and other places.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah. Interesting, No, mum's on planes. Not a big bell, hey,
Josie Beganni. Trisharson on the panel.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
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Marketing of your.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Home fourteen to six on News Talks A B. Tris
Shurs and Huson Willis pr jose Beganni, CEO of Child Fun.
Welcome back guys to the huddle. What should we do? Well,
should anyone really do anything about Destiny Church other than
just say, well, you can't. You can't go around hitting
people when you can't go around, you know, pushing people
and shoving people. That's just stupid, trish.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I mean, I am loath to give them any airtime.
But what they did on the weekend, going to a
public library where kids are there with a drag queen,
I mean, how ridiculous. And it just shows how unmanly
these guys purporting to be men are that you'd go
and kick up a fuss there. I thought maybe the
(04:51):
best way to deal with this, though, is in the
language that Bishop Tomockey might understand, which is the Bible,
which I'm not particularly familiar with, but I did. There
are quite a good scripture, some scripture which might be useful,
which says, do not judge, or you too will be
judged for in the same way you judge others, you
will be judged. And with the measure you use, it
(05:12):
will be measured to you.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Amen. Amen. Well, look, if they've committed a crime, if
they're guilty of harassment, intimidation, they've trespassed, if they've incited violence,
throw the goddamn book at them. I mean, it is
it is despicable what they're doing. But if they've just
sat there legally and protested, no matter how objectionable and
(05:37):
horrible it is, you can't ban them doing that, because
then you've got to ban the people who protest Posey
Parker or the Yeah, if I take the people who
glued themselves to Rhodes is another example. They had committed
a crime and arrest them, you know, get throw the
law at them. But one of the examples I heard,
because it's you know, the thing about free speech and
(05:57):
free expression. The right to protest is easy to stand
up for the rights of people you agree with. It's
bloody hard when it's despicable and objectionable views like this,
but you have to do it to protect those protect
all of us to protest. The best example I've ever
heard of was a Nazi march in the US in
Illinois in a town called Scopie. Every year, a group
(06:20):
of Nazis would march through the town. So rather than
ban it, a whole bunch of people got together. They
turned it into a sponsored walk. So they would raise
money for every meter that the Nazis walked, and they
would use that money to fund anti hate crime groups
and you know, anti racism groups and community groups and
(06:42):
so on, and so it became this really big thing.
So they just turned it around and in the end,
you know, the Nazis just went, well, I'm not going
to do this anymore. It's not outraging anybody. So there
are other ways of doing it. And it is horrible.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah, I love that you said that, Josie, because you know,
if this happened four years, five years ago, you know
that there would be calls for, you know, arrests just
on the basis of the signs. Do you know what
I mean? I think we have slightly mature. I think
we have taken a step in the right direction when
it comes to freedom of speech and how that should operate.
(07:17):
I'm pleased.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
And I'll say something one thing about that rhyme which
I've realized. I used to think that freedom of speech,
you know, and it's become a right wing thing. It
used to be a left wing thing, you know, you
look back in the civil rights movement and everything. But
the thing that I've realized, it's not just about your
right to have an opinion, because people say, but why
should they have this horrible opinion? It's actually what you
do when people disagree, so that you don't hit each
(07:41):
other or kill each other. It's what you do. It's
the alternative to violence. Actually is allowing these idiots to
have us say and say objectionable thing.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
And we should point out actually that it was the
idiots on the other side. Who you remember that the
old woman that got punched at the Posy Parkers total Yeah,
rumpties on the side. Well, I mean I shouldn't.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Well, no, they're absolutely violent. And the biggest lesson here
is live and let live. I mean, if if these
got if Apostle Tarmachy whatever is calling himself now, if
this is his biggest worry in New Zealand that other
people might be gay, well you know he's he's he's
really lost the plot.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah, I mean, have you seen his eyebrows? Gayest thing
I've seen his eyebrows. They look professionally done, Josie.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
And what's wrong with that?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
There's nothing wrong. I think it's quite telling.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Judge not judge, not he who judges judges.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Not quite right. Hey, the QR codes, Trisha, do you
use them when you go into a restaurant to order
a meal or do you prefer to use your traditional
weight stuff.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Well, when you go to somewhere and it's really busy,
I love a QR code you get stuff underway. But
if you go go to a really nice restaurant. One
of the things I absolutely love. Well, it's more my
husband who loves loves a yap to anyone who can
talk to but that that lovely interaction with a really
great waiter often that really makes the experience. You know,
when you say to them, what would you recommend on
(09:09):
the menu? What do you love? What wine would you
pair with it? Or whatever? You're not going to get
that from a QR code, No you not, Josie, I
totally agree.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
The one thing I do like about the QR codes
and this is going to make me sound like a
total Karen is I really hate being interrupted by waters.
You know, when you're just getting down, you're having an
argument with your husband and they come over, they go,
is everything all right with your food? And you feel
go away. So QR codes give me the nice privacy
to have the argument that I want to have with
my husband that I've been saving up for a long time.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
You'll get indigestion, Tricia said Jessie Piganni. Thanks guys, good
to have you on as all ways, enjoy my Mondays
with you.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, Or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
The huddle with New Zealand Southby's international realty, local and
global exposure like no other.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
True Huson from Sherston, Willis pr and Josie Bigani's CEO
of Child Fund with me this evening, Good evening, evening. Hello,
good to see you.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Now.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Do you think Josie will start with you? Do you
think he should stay or do you think you should go?
I mean, it's obviously not his fault, but it is
the pearance.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
He's born here, and until two thousand and six we
had an automatic citizenship. If you were born here, you're
a baby. You've got no decision making whatsoever. Most countries
have that as your last The lawyer just said in
the US it's a big issue birthright citizenship. Most countries
have birthright citizenship. We changed it. I can't even remember
(00:46):
why we changed it, Ryan, I mean, it makes sense
if the kid's born here, they're in New Zealander. And
it's not like we have a massive problem like other
countries of poorest borders, where people can just walk across
the border and hide in hedge. The last person who
arrived here illegally on a boat was Captain Cook. You know,
if you can cross the Tasma Ocean. Good luck to you.
(01:08):
We want you, but obviously an entrepreneur, you know what.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I mean, we keep them. Yeah, but if we keep
the rules tight, Trish, then we do discourage that type
of thing from happening. I mean, you had examples of
Chinese women going to La going to all over the
States really to have their baby there, you know, on
a tourist visa, basically have their baby there to drop
it there so that they can then have birthrights for
(01:31):
the child.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Yeah, this is one of the big topics around the
US is birth tourism, because that's one of the things
that was identified. Funnily enough, a woman would go, she
was close to giving birth, she would book into a
resort and give birth there. This is a very tricky
situation because no matter what happens here, it is this
(01:53):
this family will split up, so at a minimum that
the parents will be sent back. It may be the
parents and the sun and then the daughter is left
here on their own. I think this is probably a
very stark reminder to people who are overstaying here that
if you have a child, you know that child is
(02:15):
not going to be automatically A New Zealand citizen. And
I thought the lawyers reminded to people to get this
stuff sorted out is a good one, even if it's
going to be difficult. Otherwise you will end up with
families in these in these kinds of situations. And as
I understand it, at least one of the parents they
have been an overstayer for some twenty four years, and
(02:39):
it is a reminder that these problems they don't go away.
And unfortunately for this eighteen year old, you know, he
is the one who's going to face the difficult situation.
But then you know, part of the immigration rules are
because we have to have we have to have rules.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
And you have to say those and you do have
to have rules.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
You do have to have rules, right. I mean that
no one is saying open borders. But it seems to
me the reason that most countries have a birthright citizenship
law is that you know, if you're if you're born
here through no fault of your own, you've got no
say of it whatsoever. You grow up in New Zealander,
you speak our lingo, you you do the raised eyebrow,
(03:20):
you know, cureda like everybody else. You know, you you
are culturally in every way you are in New Zealander
and and to send this kid back where he doesn't
know the language, he doesn't know he doesn't have any
connection to India whatsoever. That's why you have a birthright citizenship.
And there are other ways of trying to stop the
birthright the birth tourism, as you say, Trish, I mean
(03:41):
maybe it's around the airlines. You know you can't travel
when you're close to giving birth. I mean, you know,
we don't have a massive illegal stayers problem like we
do like they do in the US and the UK
and other places.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah. Interesting, No, mum's on planes. Not a big bell, hey,
Josie Beganni. Trisharson on the panel.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Elevate the
Marketing of your.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Home fourteen to six on News Talks A B. Tris
Shurs and Huson Willis pr jose Beganni, CEO of Child Fun.
Welcome back guys to the huddle. What should we do? Well,
should anyone really do anything about Destiny Church other than
just say, well, you can't. You can't go around hitting
people when you can't go around, you know, pushing people
and shoving people. That's just stupid, trish.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I mean, I am loath to give them any airtime.
But what they did on the weekend, going to a
public library where kids are there with a drag queen,
I mean, how ridiculous. And it just shows how unmanly
these guys purporting to be men are that you'd go
and kick up a fuss there. I thought maybe the
(04:51):
best way to deal with this, though, is in the
language that Bishop Tomockey might understand, which is the Bible,
which I'm not particularly familiar with, but I did. There
are quite a good scripture, some scripture which might be useful,
which says, do not judge, or you too will be
judged for in the same way you judge others, you
will be judged. And with the measure you use, it
(05:12):
will be measured to you.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Amen. Amen. Well, look, if they've committed a crime, if
they're guilty of harassment, intimidation, they've trespassed, if they've incited violence,
throw the goddamn book at them. I mean, it is
it is despicable what they're doing. But if they've just
sat there legally and protested, no matter how objectionable and
(05:37):
horrible it is, you can't ban them doing that, because
then you've got to ban the people who protest Posey
Parker or the Yeah, if I take the people who
glued themselves to Rhodes is another example. They had committed
a crime and arrest them, you know, get throw the
law at them. But one of the examples I heard,
because it's you know, the thing about free speech and
(05:57):
free expression. The right to protest is easy to stand
up for the rights of people you agree with. It's
bloody hard when it's despicable and objectionable views like this,
but you have to do it to protect those protect
all of us to protest. The best example I've ever
heard of was a Nazi march in the US in
Illinois in a town called Scopie. Every year, a group
(06:20):
of Nazis would march through the town. So rather than
ban it, a whole bunch of people got together. They
turned it into a sponsored walk. So they would raise
money for every meter that the Nazis walked, and they
would use that money to fund anti hate crime groups
and you know, anti racism groups and community groups and
(06:42):
so on, and so it became this really big thing.
So they just turned it around and in the end,
you know, the Nazis just went, well, I'm not going
to do this anymore. It's not outraging anybody. So there
are other ways of doing it. And it is horrible.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah, I love that you said that, Josie, because you know,
if this happened four years, five years ago, you know
that there would be calls for, you know, arrests just
on the basis of the signs. Do you know what
I mean? I think we have slightly mature. I think
we have taken a step in the right direction when
it comes to freedom of speech and how that should operate.
(07:17):
I'm pleased.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
And I'll say something one thing about that rhyme which
I've realized. I used to think that freedom of speech,
you know, and it's become a right wing thing. It
used to be a left wing thing, you know, you
look back in the civil rights movement and everything. But
the thing that I've realized, it's not just about your
right to have an opinion, because people say, but why
should they have this horrible opinion? It's actually what you
do when people disagree, so that you don't hit each
(07:41):
other or kill each other. It's what you do. It's
the alternative to violence. Actually is allowing these idiots to
have us say and say objectionable thing.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
And we should point out actually that it was the
idiots on the other side. Who you remember that the
old woman that got punched at the Posy Parkers total Yeah,
rumpties on the side. Well, I mean I shouldn't.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Well, no, they're absolutely violent. And the biggest lesson here
is live and let live. I mean, if if these
got if Apostle Tarmachy whatever is calling himself now, if
this is his biggest worry in New Zealand that other
people might be gay, well you know he's he's he's
really lost the plot.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah, I mean, have you seen his eyebrows? Gayest thing
I've seen his eyebrows. They look professionally done, Josie.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
And what's wrong with that?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
There's nothing wrong. I think it's quite telling.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Judge not judge, not he who judges judges.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Not quite right. Hey, the QR codes, Trisha, do you
use them when you go into a restaurant to order
a meal or do you prefer to use your traditional
weight stuff.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Well, when you go to somewhere and it's really busy,
I love a QR code you get stuff underway. But
if you go go to a really nice restaurant. One
of the things I absolutely love. Well, it's more my
husband who loves loves a yap to anyone who can
talk to but that that lovely interaction with a really
great waiter often that really makes the experience. You know,
when you say to them, what would you recommend on
(09:09):
the menu? What do you love? What wine would you
pair with it? Or whatever? You're not going to get
that from a QR code, No you not, Josie, I
totally agree.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
The one thing I do like about the QR codes
and this is going to make me sound like a
total Karen is I really hate being interrupted by waters.
You know, when you're just getting down, you're having an
argument with your husband and they come over, they go,
is everything all right with your food? And you feel
go away. So QR codes give me the nice privacy
to have the argument that I want to have with
my husband that I've been saving up for a long time.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
You'll get indigestion, Tricia said Jessie Piganni. Thanks guys, good
to have you on as all ways, enjoy my Mondays
with you.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, Or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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