July 2, 2025 • 9 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Phil O'Reilly from Iron Duke Partners and former Auckland mayor Phil Goff joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
Modern parents are sceptical of sleepovers as awareness of sexual harm rises. How do we square this circle?
There is now a push for Auckland Council to ban private choppers in residential areas altogether following the ongoing Mowbray saga. Are people being too harsh about this?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On the huddle with me this evening. We have got
fellow Riley Iron Duke Partners and Phil Goff. Feel welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Yeah, today, good to have two films from Mount Roskell
on the program.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
You're right on one work more here than the other film.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I'm working on a film.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Okay, right, we're going by full names lads, because as
you can imagine, this is going to be problematic. Actually,
feel GoF. It's really lovely to talk to you because
I was just reading about you last night in j
Cinder's book. Have you read it?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yeah? I did read it actually, yes, right, Yeah, it's
kind of an interesting casual side you know style that
she follows, just you know, talking about her upbringing in
her life and I know appearents well, you know, the
lovely people. I found it quite interesting. Not things that
I didn't understand about that, but yeah, it was hard
(00:51):
being in politics without being a mother. Being a mother,
you know, you've got a full time career and and
you're managing your kids as well, and with a little
bit of help from Barry. So yeah, that was a
challenge for her. But I was found her an authentic
and empathetic person.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Is your recollection of events the same as hers. That
you were the one who told her never to say
yes if to ask her to run for parliament, and
then you were the one who called her and asked
her to run for parliament.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, I think she's probably right. You know, no same
person runs for public office if that wants to look
after their family and their lifestyle. But in another sense,
it's the highest calling, you know. So yeah, I did
tell her, probably at a moment when I was, you know,
at the end of a twelve hour day or whatever,
(01:37):
don't be so stupid as to do a job like this.
But you know, she was a person that I thought
was suit of.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
No, no, no, no, I don't want any praise. I don't want
any praise, you know how I feel about her.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
We're gonna we're going to we're going to providing some balances.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
We're going to stop you right there. Fellow Riley, Have
you read the book yet?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
No? I haven't. But what I have done is I've
had a lot of fun reading all the reviews because
you go around globally and the reviews and you can
reliably work out which newspaper or which website if you're
listening to you harvest the Daily Telegraph, they hate it.
If it's The Guardian, they love it.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
If it's Oprah, she loves it. You know all that.
So I just had such fun because the book has
got almost nothing to do with the reviews. It's whether
you like Jesindra or not review it brilliantly, or.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I'm going to break Philer Riley. I'm going to break
this mold because you know how I feel about Jasinda
right like you know, I've got I've got bad vibes
on it, but I'm really enjoying the book. So I'm
going to probably be the first person in the world
who doesn't like her but will like her books. So
we'll get round to that at some stage. Fair enough
to Phillo Riley, can I you're not you're not a parent,
but you've done sleepovers?
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Sure? Yeah, I've been thinking about this this afternoon since
you want to talk about it, and I was trying
to recall my own childhood back in the swinging sixties,
when God knows you can think much about these things
at all. But the test that you were given earlier,
I think is sensible. I recall that really when I
look back at it, I was only at the houses
of people who were close friends of my family or
(02:59):
or any family members actually, and I recall them all
being quite small too. It wasn't as though there was
twenty of the sleeping over till I was quite a
lot later in life. So so I think actually that
the good sense kind of test here is the right one,
I think, But without being a helicopter parent about it.
I think getting into screen time and stuff's probably the
only but try for me personally, but you just knowing
(03:19):
that these people are good people. The other test that
I was thinking about this afternoon was the test I'm
making sure there's no other strangers in the house, so
you know, Dave and Sally they're good people. But Uncle
Ted's in the house tonight. You didn't know that. So
I think some of that stuff about are these strangers
that you don't know are going to be there? But
you know, it's a good sense test, and I think
my parents probably followed those tests even way back in
(03:40):
the sixties.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Yeah, probably philed you. You would have had kids in
the eighties and ninety day. What did you do?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah, yeah, No, Usually, you know, we're just if we
knew the family, that was fine. If we didn't know
the family, and we weren't confident about their being proper supervision,
then we would have said no. I mean, I think
you have to use your common sense on this. You
have to try and find a balance. You can be
over to protective, over protective and this is developerendent.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yeah, you can't deny them the sleep of as a
because that's normal kid stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah, yeah, but you do what you know. I think,
as Phil said, most actual abuse is sexual. Abusive kids
don't happen, you know, on in a playground, out in
a public arena. They happen in somebody's residence, So you've
just got to be a little bit careful. I think
the other thing is just to make sure you tell
your kids that it's not all right for anybody to
(04:33):
abuse them in any way, including sexually, and what to
do if that were to be the case.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
I think that's it's like you teach a kid. You
teach a kid how to look after themselves in a playground,
you teach them how to look after themselves of the
stuff as well. Right, we'll take a break, come back shortly,
writes twelve away from sixty Back of the Huddle pill
O'reiley and Phil golf philo'reiley, do you think that Aukland
Council should ban helicopters private use of helicopters in suburban
areas to avoid a Mobra case.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Again, don't be so ridiculous. I mean, this is a
test of reasonableness. I mean, telecopters are a public a
transport opportunity for some people. They shouldn't been submarines either. Here,
It's just it's a ridiculous sort of thought. The Mobras
and the Mobras have been through a proper process, they've applied,
they've ticked all the boxes and ends of the environmental
(05:18):
issues and so on. Just move on that. A lot
of the publicity of this is just the chattering classes
because Anna Mobray is one of the one of the
few superstars of the media and so on in New Zealand,
one of the one of the few people like that.
And so we've just got this little chattering class thing
going on, which I really find depressing New Zealand. Let's
just move on. It's fine, the world's not come to
(05:40):
an end. Move on and let them have it.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Not even that noisy. I bet Phil Goth that your
bike is even noisier than.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
A chopper oh no, No, I've got a modern British
motorbike that doesn't make the loud noise that you know,
the Harley Davidson does, So you can't bring that one
on me. Look, I've met both Anna Mowbray and Allie
William separately, perfectly nice people. I think that's not the
issue whether nice people, whether wealthy or not wealthy. The
issue is what people regard as quite enjoyment of life.
(06:09):
And you've got to balance out the interests of whether
it might be convenient to have a helicopter pad in
your back section, but if that were to interrupt seriously
the quiet enjoyment of life of others, then you have
to take that into account. So yeah, and the council did.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
That's the point that.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
The panel, the panel independent commissioners decided that you're right.
The process was followed appropriately and according to the by laws,
it was legitimate. But there is a wider question I
know over y Heck, because every every third house in
some of the areas there have got their own helicopter.
The people are really pissed off with the interruption of
(06:45):
their life and the noise they are trying to enjoy.
The beauty and the tranquility of the place, and that
you know, it's not just one house, it's it's a
whole lot of houses. And helicopters I've traveled in them
often do make a hell of a lot of noise.
So you know, if I was living next door, yeah,
probably I'd have a problem with it.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I sort of I wonder, phil GoF if we shouldn't
be a little bit more welcoming of people who this
is a legitimate form of transport for somebody who's uber wealthy, right,
and we should actually be grateful that people like that
choose to live in this country, rather than kind of
making it harder for them by taking away the things
they want to do.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
What do you think, Well, I don't think the fact
that are wealthy or not wealthy makes any difference at all. Obviously,
if you have your own helicopter, you have view you
are reasonably well off. I think it is that, you know,
when I wrote the trade tendency legislation back in the
nineteen eighties, one of the things we put in was
quite enjoyment of life, a requirement of people that were
renting to respect the quite enjoyment of life of their
(07:38):
neighbors and that was about having loud parties and things
like that. But you know, I do know I have
helicopters come over my place quite regularly. Actually, when I
was away, I had the police helicopter over it for
about nine hours dealing with the gang that had occupied
my house.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
That's right. I forgot about that.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah, you so it wasn't It wasn't wasn't pleasant trying
to deal with that for from London. But look, you know,
the point is about if it's not a big deal
to hop in your car and drive, you know, two
kilometers down the road to go to the helipad, and
if it is causing genuine disruption of the quite ensurement
(08:16):
of life of your neighbors, you have to take that
into account.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
You know what, Pella Ralely, you and I are going
to get a ride in the Mobras chopper.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
And not Phil exactly the point the point, and I
agree with everything Phil Phil just said. The problem here
is though that I think without without I'm not going
to mention names here, I think some of the opposition
to the to the Ali Williams and Animobra helicopter is
because they just don't like Eli and a mobile. They don't.
They don't like the other people have got the wealth
(08:42):
to do that. That's the chattering classes point, and that's
what I completely reject.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I do suspect that there's an element of that to it. Guys,
it's lovely to talk to the pair of you. Thank
you for ler Ralei, Phil Goffer.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
How For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live
to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or
follow the podcast on hard radio.
On the huddle with me this evening. We have got
fellow Riley Iron Duke Partners and Phil Goff. Feel welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Yeah, today, good to have two films from Mount Roskell
on the program.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
You're right on one work more here than the other film.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I'm working on a film.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Okay, right, we're going by full names lads, because as
you can imagine, this is going to be problematic. Actually,
feel GoF. It's really lovely to talk to you because
I was just reading about you last night in j
Cinder's book. Have you read it?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yeah? I did read it actually, yes, right, Yeah, it's
kind of an interesting casual side you know style that
she follows, just you know, talking about her upbringing in
her life and I know appearents well, you know, the
lovely people. I found it quite interesting. Not things that
I didn't understand about that, but yeah, it was hard
(00:51):
being in politics without being a mother. Being a mother,
you know, you've got a full time career and and
you're managing your kids as well, and with a little
bit of help from Barry. So yeah, that was a
challenge for her. But I was found her an authentic
and empathetic person.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Is your recollection of events the same as hers. That
you were the one who told her never to say
yes if to ask her to run for parliament, and
then you were the one who called her and asked
her to run for parliament.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, I think she's probably right. You know, no same
person runs for public office if that wants to look
after their family and their lifestyle. But in another sense,
it's the highest calling, you know. So yeah, I did
tell her, probably at a moment when I was, you know,
at the end of a twelve hour day or whatever,
(01:37):
don't be so stupid as to do a job like this.
But you know, she was a person that I thought
was suit of.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
No, no, no, no, I don't want any praise. I don't want
any praise, you know how I feel about her.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
We're gonna we're going to we're going to providing some balances.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
We're going to stop you right there. Fellow Riley, Have
you read the book yet?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
No? I haven't. But what I have done is I've
had a lot of fun reading all the reviews because
you go around globally and the reviews and you can
reliably work out which newspaper or which website if you're
listening to you harvest the Daily Telegraph, they hate it.
If it's The Guardian, they love it.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
If it's Oprah, she loves it. You know all that.
So I just had such fun because the book has
got almost nothing to do with the reviews. It's whether
you like Jesindra or not review it brilliantly, or.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I'm going to break Philer Riley. I'm going to break
this mold because you know how I feel about Jasinda
right like you know, I've got I've got bad vibes
on it, but I'm really enjoying the book. So I'm
going to probably be the first person in the world
who doesn't like her but will like her books. So
we'll get round to that at some stage. Fair enough
to Phillo Riley, can I you're not you're not a parent,
but you've done sleepovers?
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Sure? Yeah, I've been thinking about this this afternoon since
you want to talk about it, and I was trying
to recall my own childhood back in the swinging sixties,
when God knows you can think much about these things
at all. But the test that you were given earlier,
I think is sensible. I recall that really when I
look back at it, I was only at the houses
of people who were close friends of my family or
(02:59):
or any family members actually, and I recall them all
being quite small too. It wasn't as though there was
twenty of the sleeping over till I was quite a
lot later in life. So so I think actually that
the good sense kind of test here is the right one,
I think, But without being a helicopter parent about it.
I think getting into screen time and stuff's probably the
only but try for me personally, but you just knowing
(03:19):
that these people are good people. The other test that
I was thinking about this afternoon was the test I'm
making sure there's no other strangers in the house, so
you know, Dave and Sally they're good people. But Uncle
Ted's in the house tonight. You didn't know that. So
I think some of that stuff about are these strangers
that you don't know are going to be there? But
you know, it's a good sense test, and I think
my parents probably followed those tests even way back in
(03:40):
the sixties.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Yeah, probably philed you. You would have had kids in
the eighties and ninety day. What did you do?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah, yeah, No, Usually, you know, we're just if we
knew the family, that was fine. If we didn't know
the family, and we weren't confident about their being proper supervision,
then we would have said no. I mean, I think
you have to use your common sense on this. You
have to try and find a balance. You can be
over to protective, over protective and this is developerendent.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yeah, you can't deny them the sleep of as a
because that's normal kid stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah, yeah, but you do what you know. I think,
as Phil said, most actual abuse is sexual. Abusive kids
don't happen, you know, on in a playground, out in
a public arena. They happen in somebody's residence, So you've
just got to be a little bit careful. I think
the other thing is just to make sure you tell
your kids that it's not all right for anybody to
(04:33):
abuse them in any way, including sexually, and what to
do if that were to be the case.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
I think that's it's like you teach a kid. You
teach a kid how to look after themselves in a playground,
you teach them how to look after themselves of the
stuff as well. Right, we'll take a break, come back shortly,
writes twelve away from sixty Back of the Huddle pill
O'reiley and Phil golf philo'reiley, do you think that Aukland
Council should ban helicopters private use of helicopters in suburban
areas to avoid a Mobra case.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Again, don't be so ridiculous. I mean, this is a
test of reasonableness. I mean, telecopters are a public a
transport opportunity for some people. They shouldn't been submarines either. Here,
It's just it's a ridiculous sort of thought. The Mobras
and the Mobras have been through a proper process, they've applied,
they've ticked all the boxes and ends of the environmental
(05:18):
issues and so on. Just move on that. A lot
of the publicity of this is just the chattering classes
because Anna Mobray is one of the one of the
few superstars of the media and so on in New Zealand,
one of the one of the few people like that.
And so we've just got this little chattering class thing
going on, which I really find depressing New Zealand. Let's
just move on. It's fine, the world's not come to
(05:40):
an end. Move on and let them have it.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Not even that noisy. I bet Phil Goth that your
bike is even noisier than.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
A chopper oh no, No, I've got a modern British
motorbike that doesn't make the loud noise that you know,
the Harley Davidson does, So you can't bring that one
on me. Look, I've met both Anna Mowbray and Allie
William separately, perfectly nice people. I think that's not the
issue whether nice people, whether wealthy or not wealthy. The
issue is what people regard as quite enjoyment of life.
(06:09):
And you've got to balance out the interests of whether
it might be convenient to have a helicopter pad in
your back section, but if that were to interrupt seriously
the quiet enjoyment of life of others, then you have
to take that into account. So yeah, and the council did.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
That's the point that.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
The panel, the panel independent commissioners decided that you're right.
The process was followed appropriately and according to the by laws,
it was legitimate. But there is a wider question I
know over y Heck, because every every third house in
some of the areas there have got their own helicopter.
The people are really pissed off with the interruption of
(06:45):
their life and the noise they are trying to enjoy.
The beauty and the tranquility of the place, and that
you know, it's not just one house, it's it's a
whole lot of houses. And helicopters I've traveled in them
often do make a hell of a lot of noise.
So you know, if I was living next door, yeah,
probably I'd have a problem with it.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I sort of I wonder, phil GoF if we shouldn't
be a little bit more welcoming of people who this
is a legitimate form of transport for somebody who's uber wealthy, right,
and we should actually be grateful that people like that
choose to live in this country, rather than kind of
making it harder for them by taking away the things
they want to do.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
What do you think, Well, I don't think the fact
that are wealthy or not wealthy makes any difference at all. Obviously,
if you have your own helicopter, you have view you
are reasonably well off. I think it is that, you know,
when I wrote the trade tendency legislation back in the
nineteen eighties, one of the things we put in was
quite enjoyment of life, a requirement of people that were
renting to respect the quite enjoyment of life of their
(07:38):
neighbors and that was about having loud parties and things
like that. But you know, I do know I have
helicopters come over my place quite regularly. Actually, when I
was away, I had the police helicopter over it for
about nine hours dealing with the gang that had occupied
my house.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
That's right. I forgot about that.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah, you so it wasn't It wasn't wasn't pleasant trying
to deal with that for from London. But look, you know,
the point is about if it's not a big deal
to hop in your car and drive, you know, two
kilometers down the road to go to the helipad, and
if it is causing genuine disruption of the quite ensurement
(08:16):
of life of your neighbors, you have to take that
into account.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
You know what, Pella Ralely, you and I are going
to get a ride in the Mobras chopper.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
And not Phil exactly the point the point, and I
agree with everything Phil Phil just said. The problem here
is though that I think without without I'm not going
to mention names here, I think some of the opposition
to the to the Ali Williams and Animobra helicopter is
because they just don't like Eli and a mobile. They don't.
They don't like the other people have got the wealth
(08:42):
to do that. That's the chattering classes point, and that's
what I completely reject.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I do suspect that there's an element of that to it. Guys,
it's lovely to talk to the pair of you. Thank
you for ler Ralei, Phil Goffer.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
How For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live
to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or
follow the podcast on hard radio.
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