September 4, 2025 • 9 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, broadcaster Mark Sainsbury and Thomas Scrimgeour from the Maxim Institute joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
The Government has confirmed it aims to ramp up its deportation figures and deport more criminal residents. Does this go far enough? Do we support these changes?
Ikea is finally set to open in New Zealand this December. Are we going to go check it out?
Māori Party MP Takuta Ferris is in hot water after making a racially charged social media post about a diverse group of Labour MPs who were campaigning for Peeni Henare. What do we think of this?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Find You're
one of a Kind.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
On one hundreds US this evening we have Mark Sainsbury,
broadcaster and Thomas Scrimger of the Maximum Institute Hallow Lads
here though says oh do you like those deportation plans?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Look at I mean some of the stuff is just
pretty obvious, isn't it. Sort of things that have been
slipping through and especially you and I think it was
the Jazz Brothers is what focused everyone's attention on this.
That sort of people could be here and look out
reagently the Aussie's seen anyone who plays up back here.
I think it's a move in the right. It will
be a popular move.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, totally. I mean, Thomas if because we are far
too soft if you think about it. The Aussies will
only keep you if you're a citizen, whereas we keep
you if you're a resident of more than ten years.
That's that's far too lax.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Isn't it.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
Well, I think extending the length of time you know
people have been here and can still be deported is
a good thing. And ultimately I think it it probably
doesn't even need to be a camp. I do think
the Aussies go too far, perhaps of people who are
sort of raised there from childhood, but we're not born there,
and so essentially all of their connections have only ever
been an Ossie.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
They send them back to us and we're not that impressed.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
So I think, you know, when the government looks at this,
perhaps they might consider people who have had their childhoods
in New Zealand as well might be considered part of us.
But you know what, the other thing they're doing, which
I thought was quite good, was tiny I've strengthening some
of the sentences for people who are exploiting migrants, and
they might be Kiwi citizens who are hiring migrants and
(01:35):
exploitive circumstances and keeping them here. The migrant is committing
an offense by overstaying, but so is the employer. So
I think that's another good move that's been Do you
where would.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
You start the adulthood from?
Speaker 5 (01:48):
Well, I'm not sure where I would start the adulthood from.
I think i'd have to to sixteen, which the stories
about where people are.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
At to school.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
What do you reckon, Thomas, You've got here after eighteen
you can go back oh atally.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Could be even later than that.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
You know, if someone moves here as a sixteen year old,
perhaps we'd say that actually they had a substantive experience
in their home country, which is the main thing. There'd
be a to what extent did they have agency in
moving here versus where their child? And do they have
experience of where we are sending them back to, because
if they are from a country, you know they were
born somewhere else, but they've never had any lived experience
(02:23):
there to send them over there is perhaps no okay, what.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
About this though? Saying so, so I grew up part
of my life in South Africa, right because a lot
of my mum's side of the family's from South Africa
and I and we left for like my dad being ky.
We we moved between. But the last time that we
moved here was when I was twelve years old. You
could deport me to South Africa and I could pick
my life up. So maybe maybe we can make it
from if you were older than twelve, you're going home?
(02:46):
What do you reckon?
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Jeezus, we would want you in charge of this. I
didn't think of it. It's a tough time. Look yeah,
look it up. And I agree with Thomas as well
that we talk about the five oh ones. We certainly
don't want that situation here were, as Thomas, we're sending
people back to somewhere they have no experience. So where
do you set that balance? Yeah, and I certainly think
(03:08):
that if you come over here eighteen or over.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Well, I just argue twelve. What's wrong with twelve?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
You come out here as twelve, and then twenty years
later you're getting sent back to where you came from.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
I'm pleased you only think I'm thirty two. Yeah, yeah,
but because if you've got family there, you can pick
it up anyway.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
I think.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Look, I think I need to be sent to the
Select Committee. I'll I'll mount a pretty good argument. Thomas.
You don't strike me as somebody who's going to be
into Ike, are you.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
I'm not hugely into Ike.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
You know. I think the best way to get furniture
is to get it you steal it second hand off
your family members. Oh, all furniture should be free, is
my basic take. You know, don't want to spend money
on furniture. There's other things to buy in the world.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Saying so, I thought he'd be a man who like
you know, no, it has to be antique or something. No,
you're an antique man, no, aren't you saying?
Speaker 3 (04:04):
So? Look, I'm like I like a bit of like,
I like a bit of deco stuff and whatever I
am dying ike to open. I used to go in
the UK when I was when I was over there.
Do you know what I found the most interesting? I
found it about it? Though? They were they were saying
in the in the release that they had twenty eight
dedicated motorbike parking spots.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Who's going to.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Leave for caring home? Yeah? What are you carrying home? For?
My ke motified?
Speaker 2 (04:31):
But do you know what it might be saying? So
because myself and Laura the German have figured out because
she's because she's from Europe, so they have i KEA
all time, so she's already sussed this out. She says,
what you need to do is go in and then
just take photos of the things you want, then go
home and order it online and get it delivered because
you don't want to be slipping those boxes. So maybe
that's what the motorbike people are doing.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Maybe maybe that's right, But do you get amice seeing
someone down with their sort of flat packed bed stretched
there fifty step through?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Where do things have happened?
Speaker 1 (05:03):
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Speaker 2 (05:09):
Listen, I have if you've got tickets to Snoop Dogg,
I've got bad news for you. I've got potentially quite
bad news for you. So stand by because we're going
to talk about this urgently shortly. Thomas Scrimger and Mark
Sainsbury back on the huddle with us. Thomas, listen, I
need to get to the bottom of something, Okay. I
am curious about why the Maori Party has apologized for
Takuta Feris being a racist when they've never apologized for
(05:29):
being racists before. So what's up?
Speaker 5 (05:33):
Well, I mean, obviously the comments were deeply offensive and
to party Marii may not be looking to win many
many votes from a wide range of ethnicities in this
particular Marii Electric campaign.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
But if their goal is at.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
The end of the day, and you know, after the
next election, to form a government, it's going to be
hard to form a government without having any Indian, Asian,
Black or Parki Our voters on board. And so even
if then not pursuing those votes. Certainly, you'd think Labor
and the Greens are getting very very nervous if their
prospective coalition partners are alienating eighty five percent of the country.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
So, Thomas, are you arguing that it is possible that
maybe Labour has sat down with them and told them
to tone this stuff down.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
I'm not sure whether it has or has not happened,
but it should have if Labor is wanting to get
into government. The media New Zealand voter is going to
be very worried if this kind of racialized language has
any place in our politics. I don't think Kew's have
any interest in that kind of divisive rhetoric. So if
Chris Hopkins wants to form a coalition that has any
(06:40):
possibility of getting anywhere, in any possibility of enduring should
it form, he should have called the Tow Party Maori
leaders and read them the Riot Act.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
What are you Reckoncernso yeah, I mean, the whole thing's
just not good, is it, you know? And why are
they're apologizing over this and they haven't apologized in the past.
I think it was just so much in your face
that they couldn't do anything about it. And I think
that he Jackson actually son m he says that the
guy needs to grow up. I mean, what an absolutely
stupid and offensive thing to do. And and this comes
(07:12):
back to this is the big problem that labor must
be just so worried about that come you know, come
the election. That's it. It may well be that the
Marii party could be deciding votes. And how they're going
to deal with that, how a they're going to you know,
they're going to have to start calling them out and
taking them much stronger. Well, I think in this case
(07:32):
they didn't need to because they could step back and
because everyone else was going to pile and and even
as another thing is Willy Jackson says that he said
the queen was not impressed. Well, if that's true, that
could well be another factor as well.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Is the queen down at Cornehan Yeah yeah, yeah, well.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
He's saying he's saying he seems offside not only with
his leader but also with the new queen.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
It's not impressed. Well, then that tells you a lot
than that.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
And Willie's never going to miss an opportunity acause.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
How do you feel about the city to see, I
feel like you like the city to see bridge, don't
you I do the thing.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
I just what I cannot get my head around was
all this how much they kept saying. I mean that's
been around rage I you know, walk around there and
when you're going down the waterfront. It's it's a great
thing to have. But I just can't understand why this
thing is so expensive.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Probably because it's just it's just cobbled together crap that.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
If you do a shitty job the first.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
You're indy on the tools here, Why don't you get
down here?
Speaker 6 (08:35):
Tell you what, give me a chainsaw. I'm sort it
out for them really quickly. Thomas, your heart out, Thomas.
Apparently what they want is everybody who loves loves the
bridge to go do some civil disobedience.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
What do you what do you think is going to happen?
Speaker 5 (08:52):
Well, I don't know that they need to be doing
civil disobedience. I reckon a good old fashioned working bee.
Just get the gang together. Everyone brings their own hammer
and nail, and I reckon we can strengthen the thing up.
You know, back in the day, we didn't need to
do these engineering reports and anything. Just everyone who loves
the bridge, don't protest, bring your tools. We can get
it squared away and I'm sure it'll all work out.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
Not a bad idea.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
If you love it, pay for the fix. Thank you
so much. For you to Thomas Scrimger Mark Sainsbury.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
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the podcast on iHeartRadio
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Find You're
one of a Kind.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
On one hundreds US this evening we have Mark Sainsbury,
broadcaster and Thomas Scrimger of the Maximum Institute Hallow Lads
here though says oh do you like those deportation plans?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Look at I mean some of the stuff is just
pretty obvious, isn't it. Sort of things that have been
slipping through and especially you and I think it was
the Jazz Brothers is what focused everyone's attention on this.
That sort of people could be here and look out
reagently the Aussie's seen anyone who plays up back here.
I think it's a move in the right. It will
be a popular move.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, totally. I mean, Thomas if because we are far
too soft if you think about it. The Aussies will
only keep you if you're a citizen, whereas we keep
you if you're a resident of more than ten years.
That's that's far too lax.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Isn't it.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
Well, I think extending the length of time you know
people have been here and can still be deported is
a good thing. And ultimately I think it it probably
doesn't even need to be a camp. I do think
the Aussies go too far, perhaps of people who are
sort of raised there from childhood, but we're not born there,
and so essentially all of their connections have only ever
been an Ossie.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
They send them back to us and we're not that impressed.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
So I think, you know, when the government looks at this,
perhaps they might consider people who have had their childhoods
in New Zealand as well might be considered part of us.
But you know what, the other thing they're doing, which
I thought was quite good, was tiny I've strengthening some
of the sentences for people who are exploiting migrants, and
they might be Kiwi citizens who are hiring migrants and
(01:35):
exploitive circumstances and keeping them here. The migrant is committing
an offense by overstaying, but so is the employer. So
I think that's another good move that's been Do you
where would.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
You start the adulthood from?
Speaker 5 (01:48):
Well, I'm not sure where I would start the adulthood from.
I think i'd have to to sixteen, which the stories
about where people are.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
At to school.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
What do you reckon, Thomas, You've got here after eighteen
you can go back oh atally.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Could be even later than that.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
You know, if someone moves here as a sixteen year old,
perhaps we'd say that actually they had a substantive experience
in their home country, which is the main thing. There'd
be a to what extent did they have agency in
moving here versus where their child? And do they have
experience of where we are sending them back to, because
if they are from a country, you know they were
born somewhere else, but they've never had any lived experience
(02:23):
there to send them over there is perhaps no okay, what.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
About this though? Saying so, so I grew up part
of my life in South Africa, right because a lot
of my mum's side of the family's from South Africa
and I and we left for like my dad being ky.
We we moved between. But the last time that we
moved here was when I was twelve years old. You
could deport me to South Africa and I could pick
my life up. So maybe maybe we can make it
from if you were older than twelve, you're going home?
(02:46):
What do you reckon?
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Jeezus, we would want you in charge of this. I
didn't think of it. It's a tough time. Look yeah,
look it up. And I agree with Thomas as well
that we talk about the five oh ones. We certainly
don't want that situation here were, as Thomas, we're sending
people back to somewhere they have no experience. So where
do you set that balance? Yeah, and I certainly think
(03:08):
that if you come over here eighteen or over.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Well, I just argue twelve. What's wrong with twelve?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
You come out here as twelve, and then twenty years
later you're getting sent back to where you came from.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
I'm pleased you only think I'm thirty two. Yeah, yeah,
but because if you've got family there, you can pick
it up anyway.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
I think.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Look, I think I need to be sent to the
Select Committee. I'll I'll mount a pretty good argument. Thomas.
You don't strike me as somebody who's going to be
into Ike, are you.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
I'm not hugely into Ike.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
You know. I think the best way to get furniture
is to get it you steal it second hand off
your family members. Oh, all furniture should be free, is
my basic take. You know, don't want to spend money
on furniture. There's other things to buy in the world.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Saying so, I thought he'd be a man who like
you know, no, it has to be antique or something. No,
you're an antique man, no, aren't you saying?
Speaker 3 (04:04):
So? Look, I'm like I like a bit of like,
I like a bit of deco stuff and whatever I
am dying ike to open. I used to go in
the UK when I was when I was over there.
Do you know what I found the most interesting? I
found it about it? Though? They were they were saying
in the in the release that they had twenty eight
dedicated motorbike parking spots.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Who's going to.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Leave for caring home? Yeah? What are you carrying home? For?
My ke motified?
Speaker 2 (04:31):
But do you know what it might be saying? So
because myself and Laura the German have figured out because
she's because she's from Europe, so they have i KEA
all time, so she's already sussed this out. She says,
what you need to do is go in and then
just take photos of the things you want, then go
home and order it online and get it delivered because
you don't want to be slipping those boxes. So maybe
that's what the motorbike people are doing.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Maybe maybe that's right, But do you get amice seeing
someone down with their sort of flat packed bed stretched
there fifty step through?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Where do things have happened?
Speaker 1 (05:03):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the global
leader in luxury real estate.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Listen, I have if you've got tickets to Snoop Dogg,
I've got bad news for you. I've got potentially quite
bad news for you. So stand by because we're going
to talk about this urgently shortly. Thomas Scrimger and Mark
Sainsbury back on the huddle with us. Thomas, listen, I
need to get to the bottom of something, Okay. I
am curious about why the Maori Party has apologized for
Takuta Feris being a racist when they've never apologized for
(05:29):
being racists before. So what's up?
Speaker 5 (05:33):
Well, I mean, obviously the comments were deeply offensive and
to party Marii may not be looking to win many
many votes from a wide range of ethnicities in this
particular Marii Electric campaign.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
But if their goal is at.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
The end of the day, and you know, after the
next election, to form a government, it's going to be
hard to form a government without having any Indian, Asian,
Black or Parki Our voters on board. And so even
if then not pursuing those votes. Certainly, you'd think Labor
and the Greens are getting very very nervous if their
prospective coalition partners are alienating eighty five percent of the country.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
So, Thomas, are you arguing that it is possible that
maybe Labour has sat down with them and told them
to tone this stuff down.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
I'm not sure whether it has or has not happened,
but it should have if Labor is wanting to get
into government. The media New Zealand voter is going to
be very worried if this kind of racialized language has
any place in our politics. I don't think Kew's have
any interest in that kind of divisive rhetoric. So if
Chris Hopkins wants to form a coalition that has any
(06:40):
possibility of getting anywhere, in any possibility of enduring should
it form, he should have called the Tow Party Maori
leaders and read them the Riot Act.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
What are you Reckoncernso yeah, I mean, the whole thing's
just not good, is it, you know? And why are
they're apologizing over this and they haven't apologized in the past.
I think it was just so much in your face
that they couldn't do anything about it. And I think
that he Jackson actually son m he says that the
guy needs to grow up. I mean, what an absolutely
stupid and offensive thing to do. And and this comes
(07:12):
back to this is the big problem that labor must
be just so worried about that come you know, come
the election. That's it. It may well be that the
Marii party could be deciding votes. And how they're going
to deal with that, how a they're going to you know,
they're going to have to start calling them out and
taking them much stronger. Well, I think in this case
(07:32):
they didn't need to because they could step back and
because everyone else was going to pile and and even
as another thing is Willy Jackson says that he said
the queen was not impressed. Well, if that's true, that
could well be another factor as well.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Is the queen down at Cornehan Yeah yeah, yeah, well.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
He's saying he's saying he seems offside not only with
his leader but also with the new queen.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
It's not impressed. Well, then that tells you a lot
than that.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
And Willie's never going to miss an opportunity acause.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
How do you feel about the city to see, I
feel like you like the city to see bridge, don't
you I do the thing.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
I just what I cannot get my head around was
all this how much they kept saying. I mean that's
been around rage I you know, walk around there and
when you're going down the waterfront. It's it's a great
thing to have. But I just can't understand why this
thing is so expensive.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Probably because it's just it's just cobbled together crap that.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
If you do a shitty job the first.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
You're indy on the tools here, Why don't you get
down here?
Speaker 6 (08:35):
Tell you what, give me a chainsaw. I'm sort it
out for them really quickly. Thomas, your heart out, Thomas.
Apparently what they want is everybody who loves loves the
bridge to go do some civil disobedience.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
What do you what do you think is going to happen?
Speaker 5 (08:52):
Well, I don't know that they need to be doing
civil disobedience. I reckon a good old fashioned working bee.
Just get the gang together. Everyone brings their own hammer
and nail, and I reckon we can strengthen the thing up.
You know, back in the day, we didn't need to
do these engineering reports and anything. Just everyone who loves
the bridge, don't protest, bring your tools. We can get
it squared away and I'm sure it'll all work out.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
Not a bad idea.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
If you love it, pay for the fix. Thank you
so much. For you to Thomas Scrimger Mark Sainsbury.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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