The Huddle: Are we surprised the first high-profile Trump exit took this long?

Tonight on The Huddle, David Farrar from Kiwiblog and Curia and former Labour Chief of Staff Mike Munro joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more! 

Should we allow kids of overstayers to gain citizenship here after they turn 18 and can't work or study?

Labour's Ginny Andersen raised a few eyebrows after making an incorrect statement on Wellington Mornings about the coalition. What do we make of this? 

Elon Musk has officially left the White House. Are we surprised the first high-profile exit took this long? 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty find you're.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
One of the kind, David Farrah, can we blogging? Curiapolster
and Mike Munroe, former chief of staff to just and
do and hell are you too?

Speaker 3 (00:11):
Oh? I Heather?

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Yeah, listeners, are either of you feeling the vibes on
the road cones as well? Or is it just me?

Speaker 3 (00:20):
I don't think it's just you, it's not.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Look that sounded like you were letting me down gently, David. Look,
I don't think it's just you, but probably not to
the extent that you are. Come on, don't you get
don't you get editated?

Speaker 4 (00:31):
We see two painters and today they closed off entire
lane with police, carr and truck and from what I
could tell was there was a broken battle there and
someone was sweeping up with a brush, pin and shovel.

Speaker 5 (00:47):
You definitely needed subsort of traffic management, but it just
seemed out as always, way over the top for what
was a ten second job.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Unbelievable. Unbelievable, Mike. Do we need to give these kids
who are born to overstayers, who now themselves now find
themselves without actually the ability to be here? Do we
need to give them an amnesty.

Speaker 6 (01:08):
Yes, I think we do have to give them an
amnesty that these kids have. These kids have grown up
stateless and it's really sort of no fault of their own.
You know, they were born here. It's the only place
they know. Their lives are being shaped by this country,
and you can't sort of punish them for some error
that their parents made a long time ago. And I

(01:28):
think if we start sort of picking on these kids
and doing the wrong thing here, it's another stain on
our reputation.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
There's a you know, it's a good global player and
a good global citizen.

Speaker 7 (01:38):
What do you think, David, I'll go the other way
because the long term issue is it's a terrible policy
to say if you come to New Zealand and illegally stay,
but mentioned the kids here, the kids get as citizenship.
It seems all the wrong signals.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
You see.

Speaker 5 (01:57):
The massive problems in the US about the solution is
it shouldn't take fifteen years to deport overstays so that
the kids have then grown up yet all their life.
Now there is a case for the current one. Just
like YO, we've had immigration amnesties from time to time.
When you recognize you haven't had it right in the
past where you might do a one off at Zempho.

(02:19):
But going forward, I think we should be very clear
that legal immigrants who have children New Zealand don't get
automa acistenship.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Okay, I agree with you that you don't want to
set a precedent. However, David, it's hardly as if we
have a massive problem with illegal immigrants. And we were
talking about in the last eighteen what nineteen years, we're
talking about maybe hundreds of kids, aren't we And we've
invested a whole lot of money into these kids, We've
educated them, we've given them free healthcare and all that stuff.
So surely actually it's in our best interests to make

(02:51):
use of them as workers.

Speaker 5 (02:54):
Well they potentially if they have valuable skills, you can
of course get work visas.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Anyway in the game.

Speaker 5 (03:01):
Isn't that they live here illegally for four fifteen years.
But yeah, Locke, you show up of humanity for those
who are currently there. But if we change the law
to say children of a legal immigrants get what they
heave in the US or HARMHIC birthright citizenship, I think
we would have a lot more illegal immigration because you know,

(03:21):
come for a holiday, over stay two months and being
your kids are citizens.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Why, by the way, Mike, did Helen Clark do this?
Because it feels out of step with the labor government.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
I can't remember.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Are you doing a Christian hawks be on us and
you're like, oh, I just happen a couple of months ago.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
I can't remember that, that's right. Yeah, I know it's
an empathetic When was it two?

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah, okay, twenty years. Look, I really can't.

Speaker 6 (03:52):
I can't recall what the state of play was at
the time with overstays and how big an issue it was,
because you know, I'm sure the policy was reaction to
some you know, to some issue with overstays and some
data showing that it was a problem.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
I just can't call it the details.

Speaker 7 (04:08):
Look, it's fair enough.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
I agree with you. It's an unlabor thing to do.
I agree.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
It's only fair enough that we give you a bit
of a pass. It has been twenty years. We'll take
a break, come back shortly.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
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extraordinary results with unparallel.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Reach back with the Huddle, David Farrah, Mike Monroe, David,
what did you think of Ginny Anderson saying that none
of the New Zealand First has never been around the
cabinet table.

Speaker 5 (04:33):
It was very bizarre because a they were around the
cabinet table, not just in the last government, they were
around the cabinet table and the first National New Zealand
First coalition and Jim Anderson was round the cabinet table
and depth keep Home Minister for the entire nine years
of the Clark Game. The ten MMP governments, you've had

(04:54):
people from minor parties around the cabinet table in six
out of ten.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
So Mike, can you explain what's going on with Jenny?

Speaker 3 (05:03):
Oh no, Look I can't. It was a real brain fade.
It really was.

Speaker 6 (05:07):
Maybe she had a stressful ride into work this morning
on now Ay and you know she just wasn't thinking straight.
But look like back, Dave, like David says, right from
the beginning, we've had Carolisi partners in cabinet, right from
the time that Jim Bolgier made when Peters as Treasurer
back in nineteen ninety six. And there's a whole list
of the medicine So look, yeah, a brain fade and

(05:28):
there's really no explanation.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
I cande, David.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
I don't want to be too unkind to Jenny because look,
we all make mistakes and we say stupid stuff and
we feel a bit stink, And she'll be feeling a
bit stink right now. Is everybody's laughing at her? But
she's not the strongest, does she? So why do they
keep putting her up and giving her good portfolios?

Speaker 4 (05:48):
Well?

Speaker 5 (05:52):
I tried to be a black tied here when they
say you have to look at the rest of the tea.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
The reality is she's a.

Speaker 5 (06:01):
Former Minister of Justice, minister of police, etc. She's often
very good communicator, but she does every three four months
she says something just a bit horrendous. Are you know
there was the one with Mark Montchell. It's totally backfired
on her, etcetera.

Speaker 8 (06:20):
Everyone makes Yeah, do.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
You learn from your mistakes?

Speaker 5 (06:31):
Do you become more cautious when you're speaking to the
media and if you're not sure about something, say, I'll
just have to check that. I don't think we're seeing
those learnings coming through.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yeah, I think you might be right. Hey, now, Mike,
what's gone on? Do you think with Elon Musk and
the Dawn.

Speaker 6 (06:48):
Well, looks, you don't become the world's richest person by
dancing to someone else's tune.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
And and I think, uh, you know, Musk has.

Speaker 6 (07:00):
Worked out that this man is a bit of a fraud,
he's a bully, he's a liar, he's conceited, and so
he's probably had enough. Look, look, it's no surprise. During
during the first Trump presidency, the turnover rates were astronomical.
I think each year. I saw some data that show
that something like seventy eighty ninety percent was the norm
for the turnover each year, and for most presidents it's

(07:23):
down in the thirty forty percent area. So, you know,
this guy Trump is difficult to work with. He can
only be tolerated for so long. And Musker's got better
things to do. He's he's you know, he's got an
empire to run, and as I say, he's not going
to sit around dancing to someone else's tune.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yeah, is it?

Speaker 3 (07:39):
Do you?

Speaker 2 (07:39):
I mean, David, when you look at this is it
kind of interesting timing because it is at the end
of the period that he's entitled to occupy that job.
For being one hundred and thirty days but then on
the way out he starts criticizing Trump, Trump and the
one big beautiful bell and stuff like that. What's going
on here? Do you reckon? Is it just the end
of his time or is actually a breakdown?

Speaker 5 (07:59):
Totally expected. I thought he'd last ninety hundred days and
he lasted one hundred and twenty. They actually had prediction
markets on how long he would last, and most people
thought it would be around three months, because, as Mike said,
is when you're useful to Trump, you go and you
do some stuff, you take the heat, but then Trump
will listen to someone else the next day. And he

(08:21):
just got to the point where it's like, Okay, I've
achieved a wee bit here, but now I've got better
things to do. So I don't think it's an angry
split with Trump, but I think it just shows he's
his own person and he actually has some very big
companies to run.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, some very important ones. Hey guys, thank you appreciated
the pair of you. David Farraki we blogging curio poster
at Mike Munroe.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
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