November 11, 2025 • 8 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Tim Wilson from the Maxim Institute and CTU economist Craig Renney joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
The Government says it is taking significant steps to improve police oversight after a damning IPCA report on the handling of complaints against former Deputy Police Commissioner Jevon McSkimming. Can Andrew Coster come back from this?
The Government is set to roll out roadside drug tests from December. What do we make of this? Is this the right move?
Prime Minister Chris Luxon and NZ First leader Winston Peters are clashing over the idea of asset sales ahead of next year's election? What do we think will come from this?
US President Donald Trump is threatening to sue the BBC for over $1 billion over their misleading edit of his speech that appeared to encourage the Capitol Hill riots of January 2021. How much trouble is the BBC in? What does this mean for our trust in media?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On the huddle with me this evening, Tim Wilson, Maximum Institute,
Craig renny C to you economist high lads. But you
mean Andrew cost survives this.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Yeah, this is alarming, and obviously we need to hear
both sides of it. But that report, we need to
get into the report. But what we've heard from Jared
Savage today you were to speaking with them earlier, is
extremely concerning.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Yeah, totally. I mean the fact that Andrew cost it,
the fact that higher ups in the police rather Craig
because it's not actually I'm not sure who it was.
But the fact that higher ups in the police were
told this needed to be referred to the i p
c A and they didn't is pretty damning.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Isn't it.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
It does sound pretty damning as you suggest. I mean,
I'm still digesting the report myself, but the reports in
here are deeply troubling, and you know, and if many
of them are even close to being two, we really
should be asking some hard questions.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah, very much so. All right, Tim Dilson, what do
you think of the roadside drug testing? I am here
for it, but I feel like a lot of people
are going to have to knock their drug habits on
the head.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Well, it's true. I mean, I think I think we
can all agree that drugs are bad and five minutes
of testing is worth it. You know, when you hear
that number of thirty percent of all road diffs, they're
from impeering drugs, and put that in the wider context.
We're talking about myth earlier in the week and the
meth use in New Zealand has doubled. It's like, what's
wrong with us? We need to jump on this.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Craig, What do you reckon? Do you reckon? There'll be
a whole bunch of them, a pot that just gets
put aside every weekend.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Now, well, hopefully if people aren't driving in cars under
the influence of drugs, that's a good thing for everyone. Yeah,
so you know you'll find no argument from me. And
that's the one thing I do wonder is whether or
not historic drug use, which isn't impairing someone's ability to
drive at the time, becomes a challenge. But no, there's
you know, drugs and driving, don't next Are you.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Suggesting, Craig that we're going to have to iron out
a few wrinkles as we go along here?
Speaker 4 (01:53):
I think you know, human life is messy, and these
these kits and tests aren't you know, on a hundred
percent infallible and will probably all all end up and
caught many many times working on exactly what the law
is here with Anything that helps get impaired drivers off
the road is surely a good thing.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Totally tell me. How do you feel about the Essey styles?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, look, I'm actually you know what I'm interested to
here because we announced as candidacy for the Labor Party
on the show a few you know, a few issues
back or episodes back, and I just think there could
be a possibility here for a coalition between between Labor
and New Zealand. What have you got to say, Craig.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yeah, go on, Craig, future finance.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
You may you may have, you may have announced my candidacy,
but I'm not doing it on this show. And I
can tell and I can tell you and I can
tell you what you might. You said me that I'm
a future finance minister on the show, which is lovely.
You know, however, every time doesn't suggest a slight lack
of confidence in the current finance minister.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
But in terms of but in terms of the but
in terms of this.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
I think you know, I fin myself in complete agreement
with Winston Peters. We have public assets that you know
are held for public reasons. They're delivering often public services.
We want to make sure we're investing more in them.
If they're not working well, that's not a reason to
sell them, that's the reason to actually make sure they're
working well. Then they may well need reform.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Around the world, sales of public assets often haven't led
to better outcomes for consumers or for governments.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Okay, Tim, I want you to take after the break
all right, because I haddle Tim Wilson Craig Grinny, Right,
Tim wants your take on the asset. Sells you here
for it?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yeah, look and framing it. One of the things that
came up in that discussion was power prices, and power
is absolutely and a balance of power as an abalance
of prosperity. Our power is too expensive and we need
to find more ways to generate it. But with the
status quo, we've got a conflict of interest because the
market regulator is also a majority shareholder in the gen tailors.
(03:59):
And we've had great discussions with some top level powered
people around the country at maxim and they say the
one thing that would fix us is competition. So I said,
we need to really look at the competitive model at
least to also bring in other means of generating power
so that we can get more power to do more
with it.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah, fair enough, I mean, yeah, I take your point
on that, Craig. What do you make of Donald Trump
soon suing the BBC?
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Oh? I think, you know, he's sued many outlets. He's
not a man who's afraid of litigation against what he
sued CBS, he sued the New York Times. You know,
he sued a range with the media out lets. This
might just be one, you know, his way of you know,
of gaining media attention, but not that he needs it,
as you as wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
I mean, what the BEAD did was horrific.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Well, what it appears to be is that they've you know,
they've certainly edited something out of sequence, you know, and
he's probably got grounds to complain about it, but it's.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Probably got grounds to complain about it. Stop amising it.
It's horrific.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
They completely misrip I mean about Yeah, it's it's outrageous.
So it's like there's currently the BBC has heard Rodaldell
this morning saying, oh, you know, you're quoting external voices
about a right wing coup overtaking the BBC actually misrepresenting someone.
Isn't a right wing coup being spent for it, isn't
a right wing qup. It's called justice.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Too right now, Craig, do you want to try.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Threatening threatening, threatening to sue the BBC for a billion
dollars as a consequence? It is probably a bit of
a stretch, A bit of a stretch, ye.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
So do you want to try again, Craig and say
something like what the BBC did was horrific?
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Well, certainly, I think what the BBC did was incorrect.
I'm not sure i'd used the word horrific, but I
limited I mean, I mean limit the use of the
word horrific to slately you worse than that.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I mean, remember it is it is my wheelhouse. So
I'm you know, I'm more shock than the average person.
I am. Listen. Can I just say, I don't know
if you heard me saying this before ten, but I
am loving consumer New Zealand at the moment. What about you?
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Oh? Look, I me too, may too. Look they have
the year and R Awards for confusing messaging, failure of
a legal standard, absolute ripoffs. Can we get the consumer
to run it through the BBC? Because I think miss
BBC would lose the Year Awards?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
How good from you to make this about the BBC again?
Are you loving Craig? I won't make you do it again. Craig,
tell me what you think of consuming New Zealand? Are
you loving them as much as I am?
Speaker 4 (06:29):
I am? You know we have fabulously uncompetitive markets in
New Zealand. You know, be the electricity markets as we've discussed,
and early are our supermarkets or banks that are making
multi billion dollar profits and.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Shipping them overseas.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
There are plenty of areas in which we need better
competition in New Zealand and anything that helps others clearly
benefit off on New Zealand.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Ply now listen, Craig. First of all, are you okay
that we keep ribbing you about the fact that you're
going to be a future life You are okay? And
so when like, give us a time frame for what
we're dealing with here.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
I'm not doing you any time for anything, Heather. You
can keep ribbing me for as long as.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
You're like, like, what decade are we dealing with for
you hit your potential candidacy for the Labor Party.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
I can I can tell you that I'm not going
to announce anything on this radio show, Heather, so that
you know.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
You can keep ribbing me for as long.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
As you like. Let's announce the future governing coalition between
Labor and New Zealand. First, you heard it here. First
take it to the bank.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Greg, Where are you going to announce it if you
don't announce it to the biggest audience at drive time
in the country.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Again again, Heather, for the benefit of the tape. I'm
not going to be announcing anything like this show. But
what I will do is happily come on this show
and criticize what the current government's doing because it is
not helping a whole range of people right now in
New Zealand, particularly on the economy.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Very good, hey, guys, it's lovely to check to the
fear of you. Thanks very much, Tim Wilson, Craig Renny
Huddle this
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Evening again for more from Hither duplessy Ellen Drive listen
live to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
On the huddle with me this evening, Tim Wilson, Maximum Institute,
Craig renny C to you economist high lads. But you
mean Andrew cost survives this.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Yeah, this is alarming, and obviously we need to hear
both sides of it. But that report, we need to
get into the report. But what we've heard from Jared
Savage today you were to speaking with them earlier, is
extremely concerning.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Yeah, totally. I mean the fact that Andrew cost it,
the fact that higher ups in the police rather Craig
because it's not actually I'm not sure who it was.
But the fact that higher ups in the police were
told this needed to be referred to the i p
c A and they didn't is pretty damning.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Isn't it.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
It does sound pretty damning as you suggest. I mean,
I'm still digesting the report myself, but the reports in
here are deeply troubling, and you know, and if many
of them are even close to being two, we really
should be asking some hard questions.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah, very much so. All right, Tim Dilson, what do
you think of the roadside drug testing? I am here
for it, but I feel like a lot of people
are going to have to knock their drug habits on
the head.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Well, it's true. I mean, I think I think we
can all agree that drugs are bad and five minutes
of testing is worth it. You know, when you hear
that number of thirty percent of all road diffs, they're
from impeering drugs, and put that in the wider context.
We're talking about myth earlier in the week and the
meth use in New Zealand has doubled. It's like, what's
wrong with us? We need to jump on this.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Craig, What do you reckon? Do you reckon? There'll be
a whole bunch of them, a pot that just gets
put aside every weekend.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Now, well, hopefully if people aren't driving in cars under
the influence of drugs, that's a good thing for everyone. Yeah,
so you know you'll find no argument from me. And
that's the one thing I do wonder is whether or
not historic drug use, which isn't impairing someone's ability to
drive at the time, becomes a challenge. But no, there's
you know, drugs and driving, don't next Are you.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Suggesting, Craig that we're going to have to iron out
a few wrinkles as we go along here?
Speaker 4 (01:53):
I think you know, human life is messy, and these
these kits and tests aren't you know, on a hundred
percent infallible and will probably all all end up and
caught many many times working on exactly what the law
is here with Anything that helps get impaired drivers off
the road is surely a good thing.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Totally tell me. How do you feel about the Essey styles?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, look, I'm actually you know what I'm interested to
here because we announced as candidacy for the Labor Party
on the show a few you know, a few issues
back or episodes back, and I just think there could
be a possibility here for a coalition between between Labor
and New Zealand. What have you got to say, Craig.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yeah, go on, Craig, future finance.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
You may you may have, you may have announced my candidacy,
but I'm not doing it on this show. And I
can tell and I can tell you and I can
tell you what you might. You said me that I'm
a future finance minister on the show, which is lovely.
You know, however, every time doesn't suggest a slight lack
of confidence in the current finance minister.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
But in terms of but in terms of the but
in terms of this.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
I think you know, I fin myself in complete agreement
with Winston Peters. We have public assets that you know
are held for public reasons. They're delivering often public services.
We want to make sure we're investing more in them.
If they're not working well, that's not a reason to
sell them, that's the reason to actually make sure they're
working well. Then they may well need reform.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Around the world, sales of public assets often haven't led
to better outcomes for consumers or for governments.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Okay, Tim, I want you to take after the break
all right, because I haddle Tim Wilson Craig Grinny, Right,
Tim wants your take on the asset. Sells you here
for it?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yeah, look and framing it. One of the things that
came up in that discussion was power prices, and power
is absolutely and a balance of power as an abalance
of prosperity. Our power is too expensive and we need
to find more ways to generate it. But with the
status quo, we've got a conflict of interest because the
market regulator is also a majority shareholder in the gen tailors.
(03:59):
And we've had great discussions with some top level powered
people around the country at maxim and they say the
one thing that would fix us is competition. So I said,
we need to really look at the competitive model at
least to also bring in other means of generating power
so that we can get more power to do more
with it.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah, fair enough, I mean, yeah, I take your point
on that, Craig. What do you make of Donald Trump
soon suing the BBC?
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Oh? I think, you know, he's sued many outlets. He's
not a man who's afraid of litigation against what he
sued CBS, he sued the New York Times. You know,
he sued a range with the media out lets. This
might just be one, you know, his way of you know,
of gaining media attention, but not that he needs it,
as you as wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
I mean, what the BEAD did was horrific.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Well, what it appears to be is that they've you know,
they've certainly edited something out of sequence, you know, and
he's probably got grounds to complain about it, but it's.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Probably got grounds to complain about it. Stop amising it.
It's horrific.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
They completely misrip I mean about Yeah, it's it's outrageous.
So it's like there's currently the BBC has heard Rodaldell
this morning saying, oh, you know, you're quoting external voices
about a right wing coup overtaking the BBC actually misrepresenting someone.
Isn't a right wing coup being spent for it, isn't
a right wing qup. It's called justice.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Too right now, Craig, do you want to try.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Threatening threatening, threatening to sue the BBC for a billion
dollars as a consequence? It is probably a bit of
a stretch, A bit of a stretch, ye.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
So do you want to try again, Craig and say
something like what the BBC did was horrific?
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Well, certainly, I think what the BBC did was incorrect.
I'm not sure i'd used the word horrific, but I
limited I mean, I mean limit the use of the
word horrific to slately you worse than that.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I mean, remember it is it is my wheelhouse. So
I'm you know, I'm more shock than the average person.
I am. Listen. Can I just say, I don't know
if you heard me saying this before ten, but I
am loving consumer New Zealand at the moment. What about you?
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Oh? Look, I me too, may too. Look they have
the year and R Awards for confusing messaging, failure of
a legal standard, absolute ripoffs. Can we get the consumer
to run it through the BBC? Because I think miss
BBC would lose the Year Awards?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
How good from you to make this about the BBC again?
Are you loving Craig? I won't make you do it again. Craig,
tell me what you think of consuming New Zealand? Are
you loving them as much as I am?
Speaker 4 (06:29):
I am? You know we have fabulously uncompetitive markets in
New Zealand. You know, be the electricity markets as we've discussed,
and early are our supermarkets or banks that are making
multi billion dollar profits and.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Shipping them overseas.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
There are plenty of areas in which we need better
competition in New Zealand and anything that helps others clearly
benefit off on New Zealand.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Ply now listen, Craig. First of all, are you okay
that we keep ribbing you about the fact that you're
going to be a future life You are okay? And
so when like, give us a time frame for what
we're dealing with here.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
I'm not doing you any time for anything, Heather. You
can keep ribbing me for as long as.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
You're like, like, what decade are we dealing with for
you hit your potential candidacy for the Labor Party.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
I can I can tell you that I'm not going
to announce anything on this radio show, Heather, so that
you know.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
You can keep ribbing me for as long.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
As you like. Let's announce the future governing coalition between
Labor and New Zealand. First, you heard it here. First
take it to the bank.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Greg, Where are you going to announce it if you
don't announce it to the biggest audience at drive time
in the country.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Again again, Heather, for the benefit of the tape. I'm
not going to be announcing anything like this show. But
what I will do is happily come on this show
and criticize what the current government's doing because it is
not helping a whole range of people right now in
New Zealand, particularly on the economy.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Very good, hey, guys, it's lovely to check to the
fear of you. Thanks very much, Tim Wilson, Craig Renny
Huddle this
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Evening again for more from Hither duplessy Ellen Drive listen
live to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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