October 21, 2024 • 9 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Trish Sherson from Sherson Willis PR and Josie Pagani from Child Fund joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
Do we think the America's Cup will be hosted in New Zealand? Following Team New Zealand's win, there's been more discussion about the nation hosting the next Cup. Can we afford this?
Andrew Bayly's under fire following some off-colour comments he made to a Marlborough worker. Some believe he should be stripped of his portfolios - can we justify this?
Health NZ is under fire after spending $60,000 on catering for a three-day conference - including $9000 worth of canapes. Is this defensible - or unjustified, considering the agency's financial hole?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Well the huddle of this is even You got Treshurst
and Shirson Willis pr and Joe SPEGANI Child fun Ceo.
Hello ladies, Hello Jose. We're not going to see the
America's Cup hosted here, are we?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
I doubt it very much. And that's the problem, right,
if we're paying, if we were thinking of paying one
hundred one hundred million dollars, what are we getting in
return for it. We would have to have viewing rights,
we'd have to have it hosted here, We'd have to
have a whole cost benefit analysis. But the thing I
was thinking about this today, Yeah, we won at the
America's Cup yesterday. It was not on any of the
(00:37):
front pages of the global newspapers except maybe tiny, you know,
little stories, So it's not the global event, not even
in the UK really, I mean, it was just it
was in the I don't know, I was on the
front page, but it was a small story. None of
the US papers I could find I couldn't find it.
It was a small story in the Times in the UK.
So it just isn't that big global event that it
(00:58):
used to be. So what do we get, like one
hundred million dollars? You could get a hell of a
lot of good pr for New Zealand some other way.
On principle, I wouldn't mind spending that money if I
thought we would get the benefits for it. We're just
not going to get them. And frankly, I don't quite
trust Grant Dalton and Team New Zealand to prioritize hosting
it here anyway and bringing it home.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
What do you think, Trish?
Speaker 4 (01:22):
On the one hand, New Zealand's major events pipeline is
wide open.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
We have a lot of holes in that calendar, nothing.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Nothing in that bucket, sort of tumbleweed going dobleweeds. But
this is not This is not the America's Cup that
we grew up with with Sir Peter Blake. This is
a totally different thing. And I went and had a
lot today. I think that the biggest clue has probably
already been given about the next venue. And that was
(01:52):
given by Mateodnora, who has been Team New Zealand's a
big backer for years and years, and he was speaking
in an Italian newspaper and he said that if the
next series is to be held within two years, it
would either stay in Barcelona or go to the Middle East.
Don't forget. For the first time last year, as part
(02:13):
of this America's Cup, there was some prelim racing in
Jedda in Saudi Arabia, and it looks like from what
Matodinora said that you know, the Saudi Arabia would be
high up on that list.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
We can't compete. We just don't have the kind of money. Yeah,
I just think we need to get realistic about it. Now,
what do you reckon, Josie. Is this Andrew Bailey business?
Is this born to rule sneering at workers from the
National Party or was it just a dad joke that
was poorly received.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Look, I think it's just silly. It was a silly
joke that backfired. It's not resignation material, and you start
to devalue the call for resignations if you make this.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
A reason an atmostope a columnist at the weekend who
said he needs to be stripped of.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
His So Andrew Barts wrote a column and you know,
and she made a good point about well, I think
the point that she made that resonated with me was
that even if you think the joke was just a
dad joke that backfired, there is a political risk for
National that they start to look and sound like the
party that's out of touch with New Zealanders. And we're
seeing that in the polling for Luxe. And even if
(03:20):
you don't think it's true, you know, fifty more than
I think about fifty percent of us think that he's
out of touch with most New Zealanders. So there's a
danger that this just feeds into the narrative. Doesn't matter
if Andrew Bailey meant it or not. And I think
and I do think that's a real risk for National.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
But not worth losing your job over.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Oh definitely not. I mean, you are just devaluing a
call for resignation you think this is I mean, you
look back on Joe. I remember when John Key, you know,
he got rid of Phil Heatley, wasn't it for not
declaring two bottles of the striking expenses and so on?
And you know that seemed like a bit of overkill,
but he was kind of wanting to prove that he
was a strong leader. And then Phil Heatley came back
(04:00):
shortly after that. You know, he did some time in
the in the naughty corner and then came back. So
you could argue that maybe Luxnerby wanted to show that
he's the sort of political hard man that we're not
sure he is. Maybe, but that's just politics, right. I
don't think in principle this really warranted a reason.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Trisia, what you take, but I'm going to get it
after the break if you don't mind the huddle.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
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your home.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
All right, we're back with the huddle, Tricious and Josipiganni. Tristia,
what do you make of the Andrew Bailey situation.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Well, it's one of my favorite shouts in politics because
it always makes me smile when they always say, that's right, resign,
you know in the house, when anything but whatever happens
from here, it will actually be a judgment on political judgment.
And someone much wiser than me today said, and I
(04:49):
thought this was very stage advice that in politics you
don't have to be liked by your colleagues, but you
have to be trusted in your political judgment. And I
think you know. Serving up Friday Front page headlines to
your hard working leader who already, as Josie has pointed out,
(05:10):
is struggling with a perception around national about sort of
political judgment overall. And and just you know, it's an
easy narrative for the other side to bet in about,
you know, national ministers who are out of touch. I
think those will be the questions in Chris Luckson's mind,
not for now. But it's the kind of thing that
(05:32):
you just save up for down the track when you're
weighing up different.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
The resignation call does get checked around all the time,
doesn't it. And I remember once you might have even
been hosting it.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
That was on Q and A.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
And I called for Jerry Browny's resignation very you know,
loudly and principally that he should resign. He'd walught through
an Air New Zealand security check or something without being
checked or something like that.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Nothing.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
It was a nothing thing. And Jerry lovely and called
for his resignation and ended up their port trying to
get my way into the Crow Club to get a
free glass of wine, and Jerry says, I'll get you in,
I'll get And so I ended up sitting in the
Corow Club drinking wine with the guys. I don't mean it.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
I do mean it.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, that's lovely. That's the only thing that you want
out of it is everybody forgives in the end. Listen, Trish.
The thing about the cannapees, I'm not so offended that
the cannape is thirty bucks ahead. I'm offended that they're
having this conference. Stall, Why are they having this conference? Well,
I do need to get three hundred bosses into a
room together. Look, what is the How do you not
(06:33):
know what your job is?
Speaker 4 (06:34):
I feel like every week we turn up to have
a chat to you and there's some other story along
these lines. So last week it was the film commission
off to Khan and having been to Cahn myself, it's
not a cheap exercise. But well not when you go, Trish, No, no,
actually I did go in an official capacity as a judge.
(06:56):
Just clearing that, but I know I represented New Zealand.
Oh it was nothing. But in terms of this kind
of public sector spending at the moment, you know, it's
really hard to argue these headlines when they when they
come up, and I think they are a warning signal
(07:17):
to everyone in these departments to go. Do we really
need to do this? Are there a couple of emails
that we could send that are going to deal with this?
Or is there a way to, you know, to make
this sharper and cheaper and quicker.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
I don't mind you, right, I don't mind people getting
together for work if it's going to come up with
an outcome. And I think we can get a bit
smelling salts about.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
The hair straights and how can you achieve with three
hundred people in a room.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Look, I tell you what if they reduce hospital waiting lists.
I don't care how many canopies they take, but they're
not going through. But the bigger problem you you mentioned
this just now. Hey, the bigger problem is what was
the purpose of that means point? It was called CONNECTS
twenty four and let me read you what they said.
The purpose was connecting with us strategy. Contact means understanding
the priorities from our authorizing environment. Now let me translate
(08:05):
to you that means understand the priorities of the guys
who just won the election because they be debossed now
and you've got to understand what they want. I mean,
it's like, do you really need to talk in gibberish,
and you need to be.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Simple, right, it's do save people's lives, do the operations,
don't blow the budget.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
It's not don't drown in words salad.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
And here's the other, here's the big issue. So we're
all in here getting all you know.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Worked worked up, pasterical three women.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Spoutings so worked out.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Well, I don't well, I don't think I've reached that
boiling point yet, but who knows. But the bigger issue is,
and you know, talking to people working in the health sector,
the shamozzle that is happening now because no decisions can
be made because Health New Zealand is just in a
state of turmoil. So people at an operational level trying
(08:58):
to get decisions about things like can we hire a
new nurse we need or a doctor we need aren't
getting done. And I think it's more those people who
see these headlines and just think, what why am I
turning up to work every day?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I totally agree.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yeah, I mean, if you can do something about the
hell that the health sector is, and at the moment,
by all means do that, but then call your conference,
let's sort out the let's sort out the problems. And
the health sector, and I don't If you had that
as a conference name, I'd go to it.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
And probably you'd only have two people there because they'd
be the decision makers. Guys, thanks so much, appreciate it.
Trisherson and Joe SPEGGANI our huddle this evening.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
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The huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, local and
global exposure like no other.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Well the huddle of this is even You got Treshurst
and Shirson Willis pr and Joe SPEGANI Child fun Ceo.
Hello ladies, Hello Jose. We're not going to see the
America's Cup hosted here, are we?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
I doubt it very much. And that's the problem, right,
if we're paying, if we were thinking of paying one
hundred one hundred million dollars, what are we getting in
return for it. We would have to have viewing rights,
we'd have to have it hosted here, We'd have to
have a whole cost benefit analysis. But the thing I
was thinking about this today, Yeah, we won at the
America's Cup yesterday. It was not on any of the
(00:37):
front pages of the global newspapers except maybe tiny, you know,
little stories, So it's not the global event, not even
in the UK really, I mean, it was just it
was in the I don't know, I was on the
front page, but it was a small story. None of
the US papers I could find I couldn't find it.
It was a small story in the Times in the UK.
So it just isn't that big global event that it
(00:58):
used to be. So what do we get, like one
hundred million dollars? You could get a hell of a
lot of good pr for New Zealand some other way.
On principle, I wouldn't mind spending that money if I
thought we would get the benefits for it. We're just
not going to get them. And frankly, I don't quite
trust Grant Dalton and Team New Zealand to prioritize hosting
it here anyway and bringing it home.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
What do you think, Trish?
Speaker 4 (01:22):
On the one hand, New Zealand's major events pipeline is
wide open.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
We have a lot of holes in that calendar, nothing.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Nothing in that bucket, sort of tumbleweed going dobleweeds. But
this is not This is not the America's Cup that
we grew up with with Sir Peter Blake. This is
a totally different thing. And I went and had a
lot today. I think that the biggest clue has probably
already been given about the next venue. And that was
(01:52):
given by Mateodnora, who has been Team New Zealand's a
big backer for years and years, and he was speaking
in an Italian newspaper and he said that if the
next series is to be held within two years, it
would either stay in Barcelona or go to the Middle East.
Don't forget. For the first time last year, as part
(02:13):
of this America's Cup, there was some prelim racing in
Jedda in Saudi Arabia, and it looks like from what
Matodinora said that you know, the Saudi Arabia would be
high up on that list.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
We can't compete. We just don't have the kind of money. Yeah,
I just think we need to get realistic about it. Now,
what do you reckon, Josie. Is this Andrew Bailey business?
Is this born to rule sneering at workers from the
National Party or was it just a dad joke that
was poorly received.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Look, I think it's just silly. It was a silly
joke that backfired. It's not resignation material, and you start
to devalue the call for resignations if you make this.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
A reason an atmostope a columnist at the weekend who
said he needs to be stripped of.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
His So Andrew Barts wrote a column and you know,
and she made a good point about well, I think
the point that she made that resonated with me was
that even if you think the joke was just a
dad joke that backfired, there is a political risk for
National that they start to look and sound like the
party that's out of touch with New Zealanders. And we're
seeing that in the polling for Luxe. And even if
(03:20):
you don't think it's true, you know, fifty more than
I think about fifty percent of us think that he's
out of touch with most New Zealanders. So there's a
danger that this just feeds into the narrative. Doesn't matter
if Andrew Bailey meant it or not. And I think
and I do think that's a real risk for National.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
But not worth losing your job over.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Oh definitely not. I mean, you are just devaluing a
call for resignation you think this is I mean, you
look back on Joe. I remember when John Key, you know,
he got rid of Phil Heatley, wasn't it for not
declaring two bottles of the striking expenses and so on?
And you know that seemed like a bit of overkill,
but he was kind of wanting to prove that he
was a strong leader. And then Phil Heatley came back
(04:00):
shortly after that. You know, he did some time in
the in the naughty corner and then came back. So
you could argue that maybe Luxnerby wanted to show that
he's the sort of political hard man that we're not
sure he is. Maybe, but that's just politics, right. I
don't think in principle this really warranted a reason.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Trisia, what you take, but I'm going to get it
after the break if you don't mind the huddle.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
With New Zealand Southeby's International Realty elevate the marketing of
your home.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
All right, we're back with the huddle, Tricious and Josipiganni. Tristia,
what do you make of the Andrew Bailey situation.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Well, it's one of my favorite shouts in politics because
it always makes me smile when they always say, that's right, resign,
you know in the house, when anything but whatever happens
from here, it will actually be a judgment on political judgment.
And someone much wiser than me today said, and I
(04:49):
thought this was very stage advice that in politics you
don't have to be liked by your colleagues, but you
have to be trusted in your political judgment. And I
think you know. Serving up Friday Front page headlines to
your hard working leader who already, as Josie has pointed out,
(05:10):
is struggling with a perception around national about sort of
political judgment overall. And and just you know, it's an
easy narrative for the other side to bet in about,
you know, national ministers who are out of touch. I
think those will be the questions in Chris Luckson's mind,
not for now. But it's the kind of thing that
(05:32):
you just save up for down the track when you're
weighing up different.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
The resignation call does get checked around all the time,
doesn't it. And I remember once you might have even
been hosting it.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
That was on Q and A.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
And I called for Jerry Browny's resignation very you know,
loudly and principally that he should resign. He'd walught through
an Air New Zealand security check or something without being
checked or something like that.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Nothing.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
It was a nothing thing. And Jerry lovely and called
for his resignation and ended up their port trying to
get my way into the Crow Club to get a
free glass of wine, and Jerry says, I'll get you in,
I'll get And so I ended up sitting in the
Corow Club drinking wine with the guys. I don't mean it.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
I do mean it.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, that's lovely. That's the only thing that you want
out of it is everybody forgives in the end. Listen, Trish.
The thing about the cannapees, I'm not so offended that
the cannape is thirty bucks ahead. I'm offended that they're
having this conference. Stall, Why are they having this conference? Well,
I do need to get three hundred bosses into a
room together. Look, what is the How do you not
(06:33):
know what your job is?
Speaker 4 (06:34):
I feel like every week we turn up to have
a chat to you and there's some other story along
these lines. So last week it was the film commission
off to Khan and having been to Cahn myself, it's
not a cheap exercise. But well not when you go, Trish, No, no,
actually I did go in an official capacity as a judge.
(06:56):
Just clearing that, but I know I represented New Zealand.
Oh it was nothing. But in terms of this kind
of public sector spending at the moment, you know, it's
really hard to argue these headlines when they when they
come up, and I think they are a warning signal
(07:17):
to everyone in these departments to go. Do we really
need to do this? Are there a couple of emails
that we could send that are going to deal with this?
Or is there a way to, you know, to make
this sharper and cheaper and quicker.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
I don't mind you, right, I don't mind people getting
together for work if it's going to come up with
an outcome. And I think we can get a bit
smelling salts about.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
The hair straights and how can you achieve with three
hundred people in a room.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Look, I tell you what if they reduce hospital waiting lists.
I don't care how many canopies they take, but they're
not going through. But the bigger problem you you mentioned
this just now. Hey, the bigger problem is what was
the purpose of that means point? It was called CONNECTS
twenty four and let me read you what they said.
The purpose was connecting with us strategy. Contact means understanding
the priorities from our authorizing environment. Now let me translate
(08:05):
to you that means understand the priorities of the guys
who just won the election because they be debossed now
and you've got to understand what they want. I mean,
it's like, do you really need to talk in gibberish,
and you need to be.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Simple, right, it's do save people's lives, do the operations,
don't blow the budget.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
It's not don't drown in words salad.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
And here's the other, here's the big issue. So we're
all in here getting all you know.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Worked worked up, pasterical three women.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Spoutings so worked out.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Well, I don't well, I don't think I've reached that
boiling point yet, but who knows. But the bigger issue is,
and you know, talking to people working in the health sector,
the shamozzle that is happening now because no decisions can
be made because Health New Zealand is just in a
state of turmoil. So people at an operational level trying
(08:58):
to get decisions about things like can we hire a
new nurse we need or a doctor we need aren't
getting done. And I think it's more those people who
see these headlines and just think, what why am I
turning up to work every day?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I totally agree.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yeah, I mean, if you can do something about the
hell that the health sector is, and at the moment,
by all means do that, but then call your conference,
let's sort out the let's sort out the problems. And
the health sector, and I don't If you had that
as a conference name, I'd go to it.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
And probably you'd only have two people there because they'd
be the decision makers. Guys, thanks so much, appreciate it.
Trisherson and Joe SPEGGANI our huddle this evening.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live to
news Talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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