August 13, 2024 • 9 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, broadcaster Paddy Gower and Tim Wilson from Maxim Institute joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
The country's largest gas user, Methanex, will shut its plant until the end of October and has agreed to sell the gas to power companies Contact and Genesis. Given the options we had, is this the best out of a bad bunch?
The Government is giving the green light to gene editing - and will overhaul laws that ban genetic engineering in NZ. How do you feel about that? Do we have to move with the times or is there danger for our exporters in being associated with GE?
The NZ Herald will not run a planned ad from the Hobson's Pledge lobby group - after massive backlash about last week's full page front page ad. Freedom of Speech campaigners are upset - does this show that the publisher of the Herald is pulling punches?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
With me on the heart.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
We've got Patty Gower. His documentary is Paddy Gower or
Nice and Tim Wilson of the Maximums.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Did you tie? Lads?
Speaker 3 (00:08):
How the going very well? Thank you Patty, you're there.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
I was worried that we'd lost you for a tech.
It's going very well.
Speaker 4 (00:14):
Now I'm here and still unemployed. I know you like
to check in on that.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I feel like I feel like Paddy, you're about to
be employed. But we will talk about this. We'll talk
about this maybe later, maybe all fair. Oh, I don't
want to be spiking the opposition too much. Tim, how
what do you make of method X shutting down for
two and a half months now?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Yeah, it does seem like it does seem like the
sort of best response to a bad situation. But the
question is we'll let get us through winter and and
what's next if we can't? I mean, you know, I
think that's problematic. What if we can't import more cold
for example. I don't know. I just feel like we're
in a situation. If we look at energy security, if
(00:59):
we get healthcare, if we look at education, infrastructure, et set,
we feel I feel like we're teaching on sort of
second world country food.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Yeah, totally, Patty.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I mean, do you get that feeling if you are
shutting down your biggest gas producer, which is an export
earner for us, You're shutting down mills all the way
up and down the country. That's pretty second third world.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Yeah, and you've got to think about it as well.
Meta and X hasn't done this out of the goodness
of its heart or in someway half head. But there'll
be a deal in the background here. Somebody is paying
somewhere for this deal to happen. And you know, it's
so we're shutting down methin X, we're talking about importing
gas if we can. It does seem like a band
(01:37):
aid over a leaking energy pipeline, and it seems like
a real worry. And it's just you know, if you
don't know, if you're queuing for power, which is kind
of what we're starting to do, it's sort of we're
starting to rob Peter to pay Paul all over the country.
You know, it's only one thing beneath people queuing for
food and stuff like that. It's a mess, you guys.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Actually, Method X, the methodexs X, they're going to make
more dough doing this than by doing their normal business,
so they're expecting the actually profits are going to go up.
I'm not a posed to that, I'm not a post
to that, but I'm the post of the situation that
takes you.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Tim, is how much Contact and Genesis are paying for
that gas? Therefore, how much you the consumer are paying
for that gas?
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Right?
Speaker 1 (02:20):
It's not it's really expensive.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Okay, Patty, I was going to I was going to
ask Tim this, but I'm going to ask you this.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Who's who's to blame? Whose fault is it that we're
in this position?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Generations and generations of kiwis who have let the power
market sort of run while and no one has been
had the gaps to get in and fix it. So
QWIT has stood by and not been able to understand
this and not been able to make it the political
issue that it needs to be.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
So what do we do? What is the fact.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Government after government has tripped kiwis and tried to dodge
it and whatnot, and we've been left for the mess
in the background that nobody's bet to clean up. Need
to get in rip the market to pieces change it up.
Have a telecoon moment that's that's it, straightforward something. I
doubt it. I think we've got a big talker there
in Shane Jones. I've never seen them actually do much.
(03:13):
I don't think we'd have got to do this. Do
they have someone in there with the brains and the
manner to get in there and give it a telecon moment?
Or are they just going to dodge it for another
winter and leave it with this? I reckon they'll dodge it.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
What do you reckon?
Speaker 3 (03:24):
The fix is, Tim, It's a nuclear fusion plant in
the White Cuttle. It's going to cost a bunch of money.
It's going to cost a bunch of money, but it
will actually guarantee renewable clean energy for generations to come.
Let's debate it. At least let's debate it.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
I mean, Tim, you.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Saw how we reacted to Cornngate twenty years ago. How
do you think we're going to react to this?
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Come enough?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Unrealistic?
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Look, I tell you what, I'll tell you what though.
It's you know, we're probably going to get to the
the Hobson's Pledge issue. But we've got this idea that
they are just that we can't discuss anymore. But not
even anymore. We've just got this idea. There are things
that we can't discuss. Maybe it's because we're a small
society and we don't want to offend the neighbors. But
we've got to be able to transact this stuff and
(04:11):
publish in public. Pardon me without crying.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yep. Actually you make a really good point.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
All right, guys, we'll come back and we will discuss
the options places you very.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Shortly back with the huddle.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Tim Wilson, Patty Gal, all right, Tim, what do you
what do you think about this gene editing ban?
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Are you surprised of the lack of opposition?
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:28):
You know what, you know, what's really interesting for me
is the support that sort of seems to be congealing
on the Green side. So this this, what this says
to me is that the Green Party now no longer
is the party of the Corimandel Greens. It's the party
of the Auckland Central Greens. So I think that's that's
that's a big barometer.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
I totally agree with you, Patty, what do you reckon?
Speaker 4 (04:52):
I think we need to go crush a Colins a
big pat on the back, but just getting them and
getting this thing done I actually think the Greens, even
though they seem to be sort of working their way
around to support and too slow, too late. I mean
Corngate was decades ago. Labor as well, too slow, too late.
They need to be genetically modified themselves with some crush
of colins and come on board with something. Listen to
(05:15):
the scientists, Listen to what the chat from every science
was saying to you before. Let's get out, create some
grasses genetically modified and that give less methane and so
the climate change should potentially I'm sorry that labor and
the Greens are letting me down. Get out and get
out and support it and think you crush the colins.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
But the thing that I find surprising, Tim, is that
usually it takes us quite a long time to completely
flip our opinion on something. But twenty years to flip
your opinion from two thousand and two, where it almost
caused Talon to come unstuck in that election, to suddenly
be absolutely chill about it is that's quite remarkable.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Yeah, it is. You know, I think that suggests well
the issue. The issue is that people are just they're
more comfortable with technology, they're more comfortable with interventions in
quote unquote nature. Now I would say that's a trend.
I don't know if it's necessarily a good thing. And
just you know, I was discussing this with some of
(06:13):
my colleagues and you know that they were breeding rats
and the orts that could glow in the dark. This
is in New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
So we did you read about this on a conspiracy website?
Speaker 4 (06:25):
No?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
I didn't, No, I didn't. My I talked to a
mate at work who's who's who was at school in Hamilton,
And as as mate's dad was doing it at some laboratory,
I'm saying actually him, well, I would love to be
I would love to be able to glow in the
dark myself.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
No, it's quite handy, isn't it though, isn't it, Patty,
Because then if you've got that, like if you're doing
peace control with the rats who are killing ourbo did
you just look for the glow in the dark little buggers?
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Get them?
Speaker 4 (06:53):
It's it's it's useful for peace control. It actually really is,
you know, all joking side, it's useful for all the stuff.
But for some idiotic reason, we've been sitting on our
hands over it's while the rest of the world has
jumped a head. Apparently we've lost count of the young
scientists that have left the country because they just want
to get on with the job. And here we're still
sitting here. Labor in the Greens can't decide whether they're
(07:14):
going to support Crusher coins or not. Genetically modify Crusher
and start to put her inside the greens and labor,
and we will have a better country.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Genetically modify her and twenty of her around the cabinet
table everything.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Oh yeah, idify here and put a next door to
a few Kiwis as well, and we'll be having a
much more exciting life.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
I know what we can do. We can solve our
demographic crisis by gene editing a race of superhumans.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Oh wait, I've already got four of those.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I wonder how the Lord jellywipers.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
You're weird, Hey, ten, Do you think the hero should
have taken the Hobsons pledge money to put the ad on.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
The front page?
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Yeah? I take your point about the front page. It's different,
but having said that, it's still it's an ad. It's
visibly an ad. It's not a story, it's not an editorial.
Even it's by Hobson's pledge. You know what you're getting
new Staland is it's assuming that there's this whole complacent
group of people who just absorb what they see and
they believe it all. I mean, we're actually, and there
(08:15):
have been surveys of this, we're very suspicious of social media.
I think we can manage ourselves in this area.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, I don't know. I reckon the front page is different, Patty.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I reckon, you don't take the money from Hobbson's pledge,
You don't take the money from the ce to you.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
You just leave that to retailers or nothing at all.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Yeah, totally. I think if the duplice Allen was the
CEO of ended me or on the executive or on
the board, you know, you guys wouldn't have done it
again after what happened with the CTU. But I've got
to say, is a lobby group not allowed to take
out an ad in a newspaper.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
In the newspaper not that's not not on the front page.
I think that's I think that's that's that's a good point, Heather,
But I am you know what, I relish the irony
of T party. Marty's that the Hill was promoting misinformation.
And this is from a group that, when the anti
smoking legislation was being rolled back, accused National of systemic genocide.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Ah yeah, good point, Tim.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I mean nobody needs any lessons on misinformation from the
Maori Party. Guys, great to have you on, Thank you
very much. Patty Gower is on ICE. Part two is
tonight on three at seven o'clock. Help the guy out,
as you heard, he's still unemployed. And Tim Wilson Maximum.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Institute for more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live
to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or
follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
With me on the heart.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
We've got Patty Gower. His documentary is Paddy Gower or
Nice and Tim Wilson of the Maximums.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Did you tie? Lads?
Speaker 3 (00:08):
How the going very well? Thank you Patty, you're there.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
I was worried that we'd lost you for a tech.
It's going very well.
Speaker 4 (00:14):
Now I'm here and still unemployed. I know you like
to check in on that.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I feel like I feel like Paddy, you're about to
be employed. But we will talk about this. We'll talk
about this maybe later, maybe all fair. Oh, I don't
want to be spiking the opposition too much. Tim, how
what do you make of method X shutting down for
two and a half months now?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Yeah, it does seem like it does seem like the
sort of best response to a bad situation. But the
question is we'll let get us through winter and and
what's next if we can't? I mean, you know, I
think that's problematic. What if we can't import more cold
for example. I don't know. I just feel like we're
in a situation. If we look at energy security, if
(00:59):
we get healthcare, if we look at education, infrastructure, et set,
we feel I feel like we're teaching on sort of
second world country food.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Yeah, totally, Patty.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I mean, do you get that feeling if you are
shutting down your biggest gas producer, which is an export
earner for us, You're shutting down mills all the way
up and down the country. That's pretty second third world.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Yeah, and you've got to think about it as well.
Meta and X hasn't done this out of the goodness
of its heart or in someway half head. But there'll
be a deal in the background here. Somebody is paying
somewhere for this deal to happen. And you know, it's
so we're shutting down methin X, we're talking about importing
gas if we can. It does seem like a band
(01:37):
aid over a leaking energy pipeline, and it seems like
a real worry. And it's just you know, if you
don't know, if you're queuing for power, which is kind
of what we're starting to do, it's sort of we're
starting to rob Peter to pay Paul all over the country.
You know, it's only one thing beneath people queuing for
food and stuff like that. It's a mess, you guys.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Actually, Method X, the methodexs X, they're going to make
more dough doing this than by doing their normal business,
so they're expecting the actually profits are going to go up.
I'm not a posed to that, I'm not a post
to that, but I'm the post of the situation that
takes you.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Tim, is how much Contact and Genesis are paying for
that gas? Therefore, how much you the consumer are paying
for that gas?
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Right?
Speaker 1 (02:20):
It's not it's really expensive.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Okay, Patty, I was going to I was going to
ask Tim this, but I'm going to ask you this.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Who's who's to blame? Whose fault is it that we're
in this position?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Generations and generations of kiwis who have let the power
market sort of run while and no one has been
had the gaps to get in and fix it. So
QWIT has stood by and not been able to understand
this and not been able to make it the political
issue that it needs to be.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
So what do we do? What is the fact.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Government after government has tripped kiwis and tried to dodge
it and whatnot, and we've been left for the mess
in the background that nobody's bet to clean up. Need
to get in rip the market to pieces change it up.
Have a telecoon moment that's that's it, straightforward something. I
doubt it. I think we've got a big talker there
in Shane Jones. I've never seen them actually do much.
(03:13):
I don't think we'd have got to do this. Do
they have someone in there with the brains and the
manner to get in there and give it a telecon moment?
Or are they just going to dodge it for another
winter and leave it with this? I reckon they'll dodge it.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
What do you reckon?
Speaker 3 (03:24):
The fix is, Tim, It's a nuclear fusion plant in
the White Cuttle. It's going to cost a bunch of money.
It's going to cost a bunch of money, but it
will actually guarantee renewable clean energy for generations to come.
Let's debate it. At least let's debate it.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
I mean, Tim, you.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Saw how we reacted to Cornngate twenty years ago. How
do you think we're going to react to this?
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Come enough?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Unrealistic?
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Look, I tell you what, I'll tell you what though.
It's you know, we're probably going to get to the
the Hobson's Pledge issue. But we've got this idea that
they are just that we can't discuss anymore. But not
even anymore. We've just got this idea. There are things
that we can't discuss. Maybe it's because we're a small
society and we don't want to offend the neighbors. But
we've got to be able to transact this stuff and
(04:11):
publish in public. Pardon me without crying.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yep. Actually you make a really good point.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
All right, guys, we'll come back and we will discuss
the options places you very.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Shortly back with the huddle.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Tim Wilson, Patty Gal, all right, Tim, what do you
what do you think about this gene editing ban?
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Are you surprised of the lack of opposition?
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:28):
You know what, you know, what's really interesting for me
is the support that sort of seems to be congealing
on the Green side. So this this, what this says
to me is that the Green Party now no longer
is the party of the Corimandel Greens. It's the party
of the Auckland Central Greens. So I think that's that's
that's a big barometer.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
I totally agree with you, Patty, what do you reckon?
Speaker 4 (04:52):
I think we need to go crush a Colins a
big pat on the back, but just getting them and
getting this thing done I actually think the Greens, even
though they seem to be sort of working their way
around to support and too slow, too late. I mean
Corngate was decades ago. Labor as well, too slow, too late.
They need to be genetically modified themselves with some crush
of colins and come on board with something. Listen to
(05:15):
the scientists, Listen to what the chat from every science
was saying to you before. Let's get out, create some
grasses genetically modified and that give less methane and so
the climate change should potentially I'm sorry that labor and
the Greens are letting me down. Get out and get
out and support it and think you crush the colins.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
But the thing that I find surprising, Tim, is that
usually it takes us quite a long time to completely
flip our opinion on something. But twenty years to flip
your opinion from two thousand and two, where it almost
caused Talon to come unstuck in that election, to suddenly
be absolutely chill about it is that's quite remarkable.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Yeah, it is. You know, I think that suggests well
the issue. The issue is that people are just they're
more comfortable with technology, they're more comfortable with interventions in
quote unquote nature. Now I would say that's a trend.
I don't know if it's necessarily a good thing. And
just you know, I was discussing this with some of
(06:13):
my colleagues and you know that they were breeding rats
and the orts that could glow in the dark. This
is in New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
So we did you read about this on a conspiracy website?
Speaker 4 (06:25):
No?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
I didn't, No, I didn't. My I talked to a
mate at work who's who's who was at school in Hamilton,
And as as mate's dad was doing it at some laboratory,
I'm saying actually him, well, I would love to be
I would love to be able to glow in the
dark myself.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
No, it's quite handy, isn't it though, isn't it, Patty,
Because then if you've got that, like if you're doing
peace control with the rats who are killing ourbo did
you just look for the glow in the dark little buggers?
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Get them?
Speaker 4 (06:53):
It's it's it's useful for peace control. It actually really is,
you know, all joking side, it's useful for all the stuff.
But for some idiotic reason, we've been sitting on our
hands over it's while the rest of the world has
jumped a head. Apparently we've lost count of the young
scientists that have left the country because they just want
to get on with the job. And here we're still
sitting here. Labor in the Greens can't decide whether they're
(07:14):
going to support Crusher coins or not. Genetically modify Crusher
and start to put her inside the greens and labor,
and we will have a better country.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Genetically modify her and twenty of her around the cabinet
table everything.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Oh yeah, idify here and put a next door to
a few Kiwis as well, and we'll be having a
much more exciting life.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
I know what we can do. We can solve our
demographic crisis by gene editing a race of superhumans.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Oh wait, I've already got four of those.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I wonder how the Lord jellywipers.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
You're weird, Hey, ten, Do you think the hero should
have taken the Hobsons pledge money to put the ad on.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
The front page?
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Yeah? I take your point about the front page. It's different,
but having said that, it's still it's an ad. It's
visibly an ad. It's not a story, it's not an editorial.
Even it's by Hobson's pledge. You know what you're getting
new Staland is it's assuming that there's this whole complacent
group of people who just absorb what they see and
they believe it all. I mean, we're actually, and there
(08:15):
have been surveys of this, we're very suspicious of social media.
I think we can manage ourselves in this area.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, I don't know. I reckon the front page is different, Patty.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I reckon, you don't take the money from Hobbson's pledge,
You don't take the money from the ce to you.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
You just leave that to retailers or nothing at all.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Yeah, totally. I think if the duplice Allen was the
CEO of ended me or on the executive or on
the board, you know, you guys wouldn't have done it
again after what happened with the CTU. But I've got
to say, is a lobby group not allowed to take
out an ad in a newspaper.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
In the newspaper not that's not not on the front page.
I think that's I think that's that's that's a good point, Heather,
But I am you know what, I relish the irony
of T party. Marty's that the Hill was promoting misinformation.
And this is from a group that, when the anti
smoking legislation was being rolled back, accused National of systemic genocide.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Ah yeah, good point, Tim.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I mean nobody needs any lessons on misinformation from the
Maori Party. Guys, great to have you on, Thank you
very much. Patty Gower is on ICE. Part two is
tonight on three at seven o'clock. Help the guy out,
as you heard, he's still unemployed. And Tim Wilson Maximum.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Institute for more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live
to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or
follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
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