September 25, 2025 • 10 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Ali Jones from Red PR and Infrastructure New Zealand CEO Nick Leggett joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
Teachers say they're seeing an alarming rise of students with extreme ideologies, including misogynistic views promoted by Andrew Tate. How can we handle this?
The oil and gas ban has been reversed and the applications are rolling in. Can this fix our energy crunch?
Chlöe Swarbrick was spotted flying business class and the rest of the Greens are outraged. What do we make of this?
Budget airline Ryanair is banning paper boarding passes - and some travellers think it's disgraceful. Do we use them?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Huddle with New Zealand Souderby's International Realty find your
one of a kind.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Allie Jones, Red Panic, Legan Infrastructure, New Zealand on the line.
Good evening, guys, Hello, good afternoon Allie. What did you
make of the PPTA thing? Do you think like there
are two issues? One is a child allowed to have
political views, and it's like, obviously yes. The other is
are they being misogynist or saying nasty stuff? That's another
(00:27):
issue altogether. I would have thought, what do you think?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
I think we might be complicating it a little. Actually,
even after listening to your interview just then, I think
things that people have found offensive and inappropriate. I've been
around four years. I do agree that the social media
element really is a completely different kettle of fish from
when I was at school and even you were at school, Ryan.
But I do wonder whether one of the main things
(00:52):
missing these days is role modeling. You know, I kent
to like sponges, and so we talk about giving parents tools,
giving people tools. Yes, that's important, but actually I think
it's simpler monkey see monkey do who did their parents
use as role models? Is role modeling or lack of
the issue? Is that why they're going somewhere else because
(01:12):
they don't have that role modeling. And I think we
need to call out bad behavior more. We've become this
society where we danse lift our head above the parapet
it's a bit that we'll see, you know that we
don't actually call people out on things when they behave
badly in public. So I think there's a lot of
stuff like that that we can do that could make
a difference.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Do you think I've thoughtunate we would have gone the
other we've actually gone the other way where we are
quick to call people out, quick to cancel, quick to
publicly shame online.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Yes, I think that's right. I mean, I think call
a head that needed here. It does interest me. I
mean there are aspects to this reporting that I guess.
You know, some of what is being reported in terms
of views held by kids, you know, I find a
bit disturbing. There's others that I don't. But I don't
think banning or slamming or stopping is is the answer.
I think we need cooler heads. I mean, you know,
(02:04):
if we're talking about a particular ideological extremism showing in
our schools, it's often the opposite, you know, extreme that's
calling it out. And the truth is, in a society
like this, we don't need a room for both because
I see, I see extremism on social media from the
left and the right, and yet we only ever see
(02:26):
these things talking about right wing extremism, and so I
think we need to be very balanced. And you know,
extreme ideas, actually we should tolerate them where they don't
hurt and they don't interfere with other people's lives. And
I think the idea is this sort of we've got
to stop and suppress and prohibit. I agree with the
(02:47):
Free Speech Union in the sense when that happens, you
do drive it underground. But I think we've got to
be ready for all voices. But frankly, Ryan, I'm more
to the center, and I think that a strong center
needed and we are lacking that in socide at the
moment where we pull the best from both sides and
we pull it together and we get on with each
other even when we disagree.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Alie Jones Nick Leggan on the Huddle.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the global
leader in luxury.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Real estate fourteen to six Ali Jones and Nick Leggant
on Huddle tonight. Ellie, the oil and gas ban officially
now has been reversed. They've unfarted, if you will, and
the applications are open. They've even had an application fire
and within two hours of it opening apparently. Do you think,
like when you hear people talk about this, do you
(03:37):
actually believe that it will help solve the energy crunch
that we are and will be experiencing in the coming years.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
I don't know. I mean, how many people do know
that One of the hardest things here is that this
is where you actually have to trust people. And I
don't know whether we should trust politicians per se, but
I think we need to be really sure that we do,
in fact have a gaping hole in New Zealand's medium
term energy security. I don't know that we also need
(04:06):
to be sure that we need to get the sector
back to you know, work to play catch up, as
mister Jones has said, and I wish mister Jones was
still speaking in the third person, but that's for another day.
I want to be sure that the climate cost benefit
analysis has been done as well, So, like I said,
there's a lot of trust here. We do need to
make sure that we have security around our energy delivery
(04:30):
and availability. But those are questions I don't know. Nick
might know better, he's your infrastructure man.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah, I'm and ask the manufacturers, right.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Oh exactly. I mean, look, this is about This is
not a long term pitch for New Zealand. It is
exactly as Ali said, it is about shoring us up
so our economy doesn't collapse and we don't force a
whole lot of businesses out of business because they can't transition,
they don't have the investment funds to transition. In the
(05:01):
short to medium term, we do have to have a
longer plan. We do have to actually reduce our emotions
and get to zero to net zero, but that is
going to take longer and collapsing the economy in the
short term is going to make us even further from
that reality. So I think this is pragmatic. I think
the other thing to remember here is there is a process.
(05:23):
We're not just going to rip the landscape open and
plunder it. There will be a process and public opinion
will be watching these applications very carefully, as it should
because we do have to guard against environmental degradation and
we want to balance exploiting what we have in terms
(05:47):
of what's on the ground to keep us going that
with it with environmental protection. And I don't think we're
throwing it out the door, but we have to be careful.
But what is at stake is if we don't know
if the lights go off in winter and we can't
power ourselves to keep people warm, to run industry, to
(06:09):
create food for people to eat, this country will go
down hell faster than any of us have ever could
ever imagine. And that's so what are.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
We doing now?
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Nick?
Speaker 2 (06:19):
What this is?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
The other question I want to know is it's all
very well saying that we need this as a bit
of you know, a temporary This is a we just
got to tread water for a bit while we sort
something out. Who is watching the development of what we
need long term recording on that the larger gen tailors,
but also a lot in the private sector looking at
(06:43):
both wind and solar generations.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
It is a happening thing. And let's not forget geothermal
as well. There are you know, we've got some regulatory
challenges around alternative energy, but those I think will be
worked through. So I think we've got to trust both
the government terms of its regulation, the market in terms
of the capital of the expertise that can to actually
(07:07):
power us up.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
So they're piling money and the gentiles into renewables at
the moment, which is hopefully going to save the day eventually.
In the meantime, Ellie, do we fly on planes? Do
we criticize?
Speaker 3 (07:23):
And I was so disappointed with you on this. This
is this gotcha bs, I hate it. I mean, who
cares if she's bloody flying premium?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
She screams and yells at everybody else for the oil
and gas exploration or oil and gas.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Maybe maybe she offset the emissions. She's the leader of
a view.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
But they don't like that too. They don't like that either,
because you're not hunting trees. In some foreign country.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
People are only happy if people who are elected members
MP's local government. If we're wearing sackcloth and ashes, that's
the only thing that seems to make people happy. I
think we have to keep this with a reasonable perspective.
She was on a plane somewhere, for god sake, give her.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
A break, he nick. The other was staying with the
airlines for a second. Ryan here apparently is banning paper
boarding passes, and I'm one of those people who I
am desperate to get my hands on a paperboarding pass.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
You want the security of a paper yes, No, I don't.
I want it on my phone, of course. I'm having
said that I have been at the gate before on
the phone just decides to stop working and so I'm
holding what you just you just have to step aside
and get your act together.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
What does that mean, like go and charge your phone?
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Well well, or just let it recover itself. But I
mean lot, you can prove who you are, you know,
if you're traveling and now you have your passed, it
with you I and not we can get over these challenges.
I mean, look, it's you know, we make these sort
of steps happen all the time. I mean, what happened
when the world moved away from three G. You know,
like we survived. People screamed, but we survived. This is
(09:06):
the you know, it's a small step and like let's
just let it happen and think about big I don't agree.
I don't agree. This is different, right going from three
G to five G you still.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Had a G. Right, this is saying you don't have
a paper boarding pass. I use both and I've had
the same thing happen. When you get to the boarding
gate and your phone's dead, you're absolutely stuffed. Even when
I go to the movies or I go to a show,
I print those out as well, just so I've got
them on me. I think that Ryanie should be doing
what its customers want, and not all customers want to
(09:39):
be or can use a smartphone. For God's sake, it's
a bit of paper. They need to just suck it
up and deliver what their customers want.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
I'm with you on that one, Ellie. Thank you. Ellie Jones.
Read pr Nick leg at Infrastruction, New Zealand on the
Huddle tonight, seven minutes away from six News Talks. Also,
if you're worried about saving a tiny piece of paper
and then getting on a plane to burn abgas, I mean,
come on, it's like a drop in the the ocean,
isn't it.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
For more from hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
News Talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
The Huddle with New Zealand Souderby's International Realty find your
one of a kind.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Allie Jones, Red Panic, Legan Infrastructure, New Zealand on the line.
Good evening, guys, Hello, good afternoon Allie. What did you
make of the PPTA thing? Do you think like there
are two issues? One is a child allowed to have
political views, and it's like, obviously yes. The other is
are they being misogynist or saying nasty stuff? That's another
(00:27):
issue altogether. I would have thought, what do you think?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
I think we might be complicating it a little. Actually,
even after listening to your interview just then, I think
things that people have found offensive and inappropriate. I've been
around four years. I do agree that the social media
element really is a completely different kettle of fish from
when I was at school and even you were at school, Ryan.
But I do wonder whether one of the main things
(00:52):
missing these days is role modeling. You know, I kent
to like sponges, and so we talk about giving parents tools,
giving people tools. Yes, that's important, but actually I think
it's simpler monkey see monkey do who did their parents
use as role models? Is role modeling or lack of
the issue? Is that why they're going somewhere else because
(01:12):
they don't have that role modeling. And I think we
need to call out bad behavior more. We've become this
society where we danse lift our head above the parapet
it's a bit that we'll see, you know that we
don't actually call people out on things when they behave
badly in public. So I think there's a lot of
stuff like that that we can do that could make
a difference.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Do you think I've thoughtunate we would have gone the
other we've actually gone the other way where we are
quick to call people out, quick to cancel, quick to
publicly shame online.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Yes, I think that's right. I mean, I think call
a head that needed here. It does interest me. I
mean there are aspects to this reporting that I guess.
You know, some of what is being reported in terms
of views held by kids, you know, I find a
bit disturbing. There's others that I don't. But I don't
think banning or slamming or stopping is is the answer.
I think we need cooler heads. I mean, you know,
(02:04):
if we're talking about a particular ideological extremism showing in
our schools, it's often the opposite, you know, extreme that's
calling it out. And the truth is, in a society
like this, we don't need a room for both because
I see, I see extremism on social media from the
left and the right, and yet we only ever see
(02:26):
these things talking about right wing extremism, and so I
think we need to be very balanced. And you know,
extreme ideas, actually we should tolerate them where they don't
hurt and they don't interfere with other people's lives. And
I think the idea is this sort of we've got
to stop and suppress and prohibit. I agree with the
(02:47):
Free Speech Union in the sense when that happens, you
do drive it underground. But I think we've got to
be ready for all voices. But frankly, Ryan, I'm more
to the center, and I think that a strong center
needed and we are lacking that in socide at the
moment where we pull the best from both sides and
we pull it together and we get on with each
other even when we disagree.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Alie Jones Nick Leggan on the Huddle.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the global
leader in luxury.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Real estate fourteen to six Ali Jones and Nick Leggant
on Huddle tonight. Ellie, the oil and gas ban officially
now has been reversed. They've unfarted, if you will, and
the applications are open. They've even had an application fire
and within two hours of it opening apparently. Do you think,
like when you hear people talk about this, do you
(03:37):
actually believe that it will help solve the energy crunch
that we are and will be experiencing in the coming years.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
I don't know. I mean, how many people do know
that One of the hardest things here is that this
is where you actually have to trust people. And I
don't know whether we should trust politicians per se, but
I think we need to be really sure that we do,
in fact have a gaping hole in New Zealand's medium
term energy security. I don't know that we also need
(04:06):
to be sure that we need to get the sector
back to you know, work to play catch up, as
mister Jones has said, and I wish mister Jones was
still speaking in the third person, but that's for another day.
I want to be sure that the climate cost benefit
analysis has been done as well, So, like I said,
there's a lot of trust here. We do need to
make sure that we have security around our energy delivery
(04:30):
and availability. But those are questions I don't know. Nick
might know better, he's your infrastructure man.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah, I'm and ask the manufacturers, right.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Oh exactly. I mean, look, this is about This is
not a long term pitch for New Zealand. It is
exactly as Ali said, it is about shoring us up
so our economy doesn't collapse and we don't force a
whole lot of businesses out of business because they can't transition,
they don't have the investment funds to transition. In the
(05:01):
short to medium term, we do have to have a
longer plan. We do have to actually reduce our emotions
and get to zero to net zero, but that is
going to take longer and collapsing the economy in the
short term is going to make us even further from
that reality. So I think this is pragmatic. I think
the other thing to remember here is there is a process.
(05:23):
We're not just going to rip the landscape open and
plunder it. There will be a process and public opinion
will be watching these applications very carefully, as it should
because we do have to guard against environmental degradation and
we want to balance exploiting what we have in terms
(05:47):
of what's on the ground to keep us going that
with it with environmental protection. And I don't think we're
throwing it out the door, but we have to be careful.
But what is at stake is if we don't know
if the lights go off in winter and we can't
power ourselves to keep people warm, to run industry, to
(06:09):
create food for people to eat, this country will go
down hell faster than any of us have ever could
ever imagine. And that's so what are.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
We doing now?
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Nick?
Speaker 2 (06:19):
What this is?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
The other question I want to know is it's all
very well saying that we need this as a bit
of you know, a temporary This is a we just
got to tread water for a bit while we sort
something out. Who is watching the development of what we
need long term recording on that the larger gen tailors,
but also a lot in the private sector looking at
(06:43):
both wind and solar generations.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
It is a happening thing. And let's not forget geothermal
as well. There are you know, we've got some regulatory
challenges around alternative energy, but those I think will be
worked through. So I think we've got to trust both
the government terms of its regulation, the market in terms
of the capital of the expertise that can to actually
(07:07):
power us up.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
So they're piling money and the gentiles into renewables at
the moment, which is hopefully going to save the day eventually.
In the meantime, Ellie, do we fly on planes? Do
we criticize?
Speaker 3 (07:23):
And I was so disappointed with you on this. This
is this gotcha bs, I hate it. I mean, who
cares if she's bloody flying premium?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
She screams and yells at everybody else for the oil
and gas exploration or oil and gas.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Maybe maybe she offset the emissions. She's the leader of
a view.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
But they don't like that too. They don't like that either,
because you're not hunting trees. In some foreign country.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
People are only happy if people who are elected members
MP's local government. If we're wearing sackcloth and ashes, that's
the only thing that seems to make people happy. I
think we have to keep this with a reasonable perspective.
She was on a plane somewhere, for god sake, give her.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
A break, he nick. The other was staying with the
airlines for a second. Ryan here apparently is banning paper
boarding passes, and I'm one of those people who I
am desperate to get my hands on a paperboarding pass.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
You want the security of a paper yes, No, I don't.
I want it on my phone, of course. I'm having
said that I have been at the gate before on
the phone just decides to stop working and so I'm
holding what you just you just have to step aside
and get your act together.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
What does that mean, like go and charge your phone?
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Well well, or just let it recover itself. But I
mean lot, you can prove who you are, you know,
if you're traveling and now you have your passed, it
with you I and not we can get over these challenges.
I mean, look, it's you know, we make these sort
of steps happen all the time. I mean, what happened
when the world moved away from three G. You know,
like we survived. People screamed, but we survived. This is
(09:06):
the you know, it's a small step and like let's
just let it happen and think about big I don't agree.
I don't agree. This is different, right going from three
G to five G you still.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Had a G. Right, this is saying you don't have
a paper boarding pass. I use both and I've had
the same thing happen. When you get to the boarding
gate and your phone's dead, you're absolutely stuffed. Even when
I go to the movies or I go to a show,
I print those out as well, just so I've got
them on me. I think that Ryanie should be doing
what its customers want, and not all customers want to
(09:39):
be or can use a smartphone. For God's sake, it's
a bit of paper. They need to just suck it
up and deliver what their customers want.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
I'm with you on that one, Ellie. Thank you. Ellie Jones.
Read pr Nick leg at Infrastruction, New Zealand on the
Huddle tonight, seven minutes away from six News Talks. Also,
if you're worried about saving a tiny piece of paper
and then getting on a plane to burn abgas, I mean,
come on, it's like a drop in the the ocean,
isn't it.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
For more from hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
News Talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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