October 15, 2024 • 10 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Jordan Williams from the Taxpayers' Union and former Labour chief of staff Mike Munro joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
Two Auckland rich-listers are looking to get a helipad built at their Westmere home. Environmentalists and NIMBYs have blasted this move - and the proposal will need to face more community feedback. What do we make of this?
It's looking increasingly likely that the Government may need to step in and interfere in Wellington City Council's operations after they u-turned on selling the airport shares. Can the council avoid this?
What do you make of Health NZ's directive to nurses to speak English in clinical settings? Is this cause for concern?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Right on the Huddle with us this evening we have
Jordan Williams Taxpayers Union, Mike Munro, former chief of staff
to just doing Highlands. Mike, how do you feel about
the helipad?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Oh? A bit discomforted. I must say, Look, you know,
I just don't understand why this couple would require permission
to have two return flights a day. I mean, is
it just to avoid orpen traffic? Is it just convenience?
If they had some some some kind of role, you know,
I don't know, some kind of emergency workers and they
needed to get out quickly and get the places quickly.
(00:38):
IULD sort of understand it.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
But that's just really rich, Mike. They're just really really
really rich rich people do with their money. They buy
themselves time.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
They buy helipads. Yeah, and this sort of thing is
just going to generate sort of you know, contempt and
resentment in the neighborhood. I got on Google Earth the
stuff and then to have a look at that street
where they live, and it's pretty concentrated around there. It's
you know, cheap by a gel living in that part
of Open There's lots of parts of Orpend, but but
you know, a neighborhood is a shared place, and we
(01:06):
sort of make concessions, you know, so that we can
all live in as harmonious a way as we as
we can. And to me this is just sort of yeah,
this is a bridge too far, Jordan.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
I'm pretty prof if given how long we'll can transport
delay the traffic to get I've.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Got to be honest, if I had gainst the money
like these two, I would want a halipad. I'm not
gonna lie. I want a hali pad outside my house.
And I'd want to fly twice a day. Yep, ye,
shoot for the stars. Mate.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Why can't your nearest half dozen neighbors give you some money?
Give them some money and actually the person that came
down the road go away? You know, the I live
in some hallis so we have what what Dick Quax
used to call the Glenn and this native bird fly
(02:00):
fly over us almost every night, and that eagle helicopter,
yeah you're seeing it, you do?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
You do?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
How much money, Jordan, would it take if you were
right next door to Anna and Allie? How much money
would it take for you to be late?
Speaker 4 (02:11):
We depend If I got a ride to work to
avoid that are necessary waiting in traffic every morning, it
would be a lot cheaper.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I reckon a HUNDI thou would swing me? What about you?
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Mike?
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Oh look, I'm not so sure. I just think that's
such obnoxious machines, these guys. If these guys had had
a lifestyle block out in the back of Cleveland or somewhere,
absolutely fine, Mike, in a very lobby.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Area, would you, Mike, if they engage your services on
an ongoing basis to be the lobbyist, and would you
be okay with it?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Then no, I would say shift to Cleveton.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Oh you're so old school.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Okay, Now listen, Mike, you're you're you're a man who
lives in Wellington. What do you reckon? Are you prepared
to take a bet with me that the government's going
to intervene in Wellington City Council?
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Oh, they almost certainly are. I mean, these things are
now sort of taken on a certain momentum, and something's
going to happen. It may be commissioners, it may be
a Crown observer, but something has to happen. The situation's
got so bad. Relationships are breaking down, the mayor is
allegedly not talking to her counselors, and that comes on
top of all the enormous financial problems. Well yeah that's true,
(03:23):
but you know that comes on top of the enormous
economic issues that the city is facing and social issues.
Something's going to happen and it's just a question now
lotsort of scale and what that's going to look like.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah, what do you reckon? Jordan?
Speaker 4 (03:35):
I mean, Tory Farnow achieved something I never thought was
achievable and it actually makes me happy to be as
in how he is right Pawer, you know that the
Wellington is so bad it makes the super city look good.
I think Valentonian should be careful what they wish for.
You look at what happened with Towering and the terrible
well not helped by by and Tolly power going to
(03:58):
her head. But you're looking at what happened Twoing, you
wouldn't even I wouldn't wish that on Wellington. But there
is some intermediatary options. A Crown observer obviously, or actually
the obvious thing is to is to hit the reset button.
Is recall elections.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I mean that's a big called though Jordan, for a
government that has completely different ideological views, right ideological positions, and.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
That's actually a barrier from what from what I hear
and in and around the government circles is that there's
a little bit well, this is what this is what
a Green Party council looks like. You almost and Wellington
votes for.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Us exactly, And Mike, isn't this the problem actually for
the government. There is an element of letting this play
out so people can see what happens when you vote
the Greens into positions of power. That's how that's the
narrative that's developing here.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Well, and also the government will be very pleased to
be talking about someone else's dysfunction rather than their own.
After all the problems I've had was you know, the
need in hospital and smoke free law, talking to it,
hiring freezers, tax breaks from the tobacco companies, et cetera.
I mean, they'll be pleased to see this is a
crap going down elsewhere. And there's an element of truth
in that it is a labor green city. And you know,
(05:12):
there'll be some people in the beehives snipping behind their
hands that this is now happening.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Look at what happened last week came out of Wellington,
this investigation into the mayor's opponents as a result of
a secret source and an appointment of the mayor's fear
mayor's friend lawyer Linda Clark, who now has whole conflict
issues around that because she claims she wasn't a lawyer
for the purposes of that. But we now discover that
the source, the anonymous source, was none other than the
(05:39):
Mayor's chief of staff, who's responsible for pointing the so
called independent investigator. Like, this isn't the whole thing. I'm
nearly going to see shambles. It's not quite a book,
but it is just like this. This council was so dysfunctional.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
It totally is. Hey, we'll take a break to come
back and have a chat about what's going on with
the nurses in English.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
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Speaker 2 (06:04):
Right, you're back with the huddle Jordan Williams and Mike Munroe. Jordan, Okay,
what do you make of this directive at Wycuple Hospital
Hospital that the nurses may only speak English and clinical situations.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Well, I keep the other half on this because she's
the she's the pediatric contents of care nurse. And she
jumped down my throat at thus that she's been in
situations and immergion situations where Filipino nurses have not spoken
English to each other. And absolutely, yeah, as I said it, well.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
So they're speaking, they're speaking their own language to each other.
The clinical stuff, what's.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Going on, and it's a safety concern, and so she said,
little bit has nothing to do with toay, It'll be
that there is a lot of English and second language
nurses and you know, it's the reality and a lot
of clinical settings now and that of course and high
pressure situations, they may revert back to the native language.
But that is a big dangerous no no, when half
(06:58):
your clinical team don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Surprise that that's happening.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Well, m said that she's literally been in those situations
and I don't know she referred to one one particular
one at Starship, but I didn't ask her how many times,
but said, totally understandable. They get the directive and totally appropriate.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Okay, Mike, what do you think.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Well, look, Jordan didn't once mentioned from what I can recall,
the patients and and and surely the patience, safety of
the person's mind that the patient here is absolutely critical
to these communications. And as Rittie said today that you know,
if nurses feel that it's appropriate and clinically safe to
converse in their own language and in their first language
(07:42):
and with one another and with patients, then that should
be able to happen because the most critical thing is
that everyone understands, including the patient, what is going on
in these clinical situations.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
No, I think you're ready. No, that wasn't. That wasn't.
What I was saying clearly communicating with patients is.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
There are two different settings here, Jordan's. So there is
one where you'll talk where the nurse talks to the
patient in their first language, and then there's the second
where the nurses talk to each other. WHI surrounded by
other clinicians and they're all trying to save somebody.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
And it is it is. I think it's disgraceful the
way and wanting to reach for outrage and turning this
into it And no, no, is it not that you
can buy into the the obviously not the good news
talks and in the new door.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
But some of the our friends, our friends, our competitors, yes,
read radio. Okay, here, here's here's the thing. Mike's, Mike's, Jordan,
to be Mike, I'm sorry for what he just said you, Jordren,
to be fair, you would never listen to them, Jordan,
this is the problem. Right, So so it may be
fair enough to instruct the nurses to say, hey, listen,
(08:51):
if you're trying to save somebody's life, and you're a
whole bunch of doctors and nurses trying to save somebody's life,
only speak in English to everybody understands the way the
communication has gone out, the memo has gone out. It's
it's like nothing but English in clinic clinical settings. And
that's a problem because actually, in some clinical settings, like
talking to a patient in their first language, it is
perfectly acceptable to do that. I would say, it's the
way the thing's been written, right, possibly, which is caused
(09:13):
the outrage.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
And you can imagine that that clinicians are sometimes a
bit ten yeared.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I can't imagine, Yes, Michael, is that a fair assessment
of it?
Speaker 3 (09:21):
I think I think you've got to go back to
this sort of classical textbook communication definition, and the definition
of communication is when the message is understood by the receiver.
So if two staff are speaking to each other, you
know that that applies. And if a staff members talking
to a patient, that applies. So I mean there might
(09:43):
be cases we cut back and forth between English and
another language so that the receiver of the information knows
what the hell is going on. But I think submitting
the whole hospital to memos like this one from my kiddo,
I just think it's it's a blunt, a blunt in struy.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
I totally agree with that. All Right, guys, listen, thank
you so much, appreciate it. From the pair of you.
That's our huddle this evening. Mike Monroe, Jordan Williams seven
Away from six.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
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global exposure like no other.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Right on the Huddle with us this evening we have
Jordan Williams Taxpayers Union, Mike Munro, former chief of staff
to just doing Highlands. Mike, how do you feel about
the helipad?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Oh? A bit discomforted. I must say, Look, you know,
I just don't understand why this couple would require permission
to have two return flights a day. I mean, is
it just to avoid orpen traffic? Is it just convenience?
If they had some some some kind of role, you know,
I don't know, some kind of emergency workers and they
needed to get out quickly and get the places quickly.
(00:38):
IULD sort of understand it.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
But that's just really rich, Mike. They're just really really
really rich rich people do with their money. They buy
themselves time.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
They buy helipads. Yeah, and this sort of thing is
just going to generate sort of you know, contempt and
resentment in the neighborhood. I got on Google Earth the
stuff and then to have a look at that street
where they live, and it's pretty concentrated around there. It's
you know, cheap by a gel living in that part
of Open There's lots of parts of Orpend, but but
you know, a neighborhood is a shared place, and we
(01:06):
sort of make concessions, you know, so that we can
all live in as harmonious a way as we as
we can. And to me this is just sort of yeah,
this is a bridge too far, Jordan.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
I'm pretty prof if given how long we'll can transport
delay the traffic to get I've.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Got to be honest, if I had gainst the money
like these two, I would want a halipad. I'm not
gonna lie. I want a hali pad outside my house.
And I'd want to fly twice a day. Yep, ye,
shoot for the stars. Mate.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Why can't your nearest half dozen neighbors give you some money?
Give them some money and actually the person that came
down the road go away? You know, the I live
in some hallis so we have what what Dick Quax
used to call the Glenn and this native bird fly
(02:00):
fly over us almost every night, and that eagle helicopter,
yeah you're seeing it, you do?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
You do?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
How much money, Jordan, would it take if you were
right next door to Anna and Allie? How much money
would it take for you to be late?
Speaker 4 (02:11):
We depend If I got a ride to work to
avoid that are necessary waiting in traffic every morning, it
would be a lot cheaper.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I reckon a HUNDI thou would swing me? What about you?
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Mike?
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Oh look, I'm not so sure. I just think that's
such obnoxious machines, these guys. If these guys had had
a lifestyle block out in the back of Cleveland or somewhere,
absolutely fine, Mike, in a very lobby.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Area, would you, Mike, if they engage your services on
an ongoing basis to be the lobbyist, and would you
be okay with it?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Then no, I would say shift to Cleveton.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Oh you're so old school.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Okay, Now listen, Mike, you're you're you're a man who
lives in Wellington. What do you reckon? Are you prepared
to take a bet with me that the government's going
to intervene in Wellington City Council?
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Oh, they almost certainly are. I mean, these things are
now sort of taken on a certain momentum, and something's
going to happen. It may be commissioners, it may be
a Crown observer, but something has to happen. The situation's
got so bad. Relationships are breaking down, the mayor is
allegedly not talking to her counselors, and that comes on
top of all the enormous financial problems. Well yeah that's true,
(03:23):
but you know that comes on top of the enormous
economic issues that the city is facing and social issues.
Something's going to happen and it's just a question now
lotsort of scale and what that's going to look like.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah, what do you reckon? Jordan?
Speaker 4 (03:35):
I mean, Tory Farnow achieved something I never thought was
achievable and it actually makes me happy to be as
in how he is right Pawer, you know that the
Wellington is so bad it makes the super city look good.
I think Valentonian should be careful what they wish for.
You look at what happened with Towering and the terrible
well not helped by by and Tolly power going to
(03:58):
her head. But you're looking at what happened Twoing, you
wouldn't even I wouldn't wish that on Wellington. But there
is some intermediatary options. A Crown observer obviously, or actually
the obvious thing is to is to hit the reset button.
Is recall elections.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I mean that's a big called though Jordan, for a
government that has completely different ideological views, right ideological positions, and.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
That's actually a barrier from what from what I hear
and in and around the government circles is that there's
a little bit well, this is what this is what
a Green Party council looks like. You almost and Wellington
votes for.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Us exactly, And Mike, isn't this the problem actually for
the government. There is an element of letting this play
out so people can see what happens when you vote
the Greens into positions of power. That's how that's the
narrative that's developing here.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Well, and also the government will be very pleased to
be talking about someone else's dysfunction rather than their own.
After all the problems I've had was you know, the
need in hospital and smoke free law, talking to it,
hiring freezers, tax breaks from the tobacco companies, et cetera.
I mean, they'll be pleased to see this is a
crap going down elsewhere. And there's an element of truth
in that it is a labor green city. And you know,
(05:12):
there'll be some people in the beehives snipping behind their
hands that this is now happening.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Look at what happened last week came out of Wellington,
this investigation into the mayor's opponents as a result of
a secret source and an appointment of the mayor's fear
mayor's friend lawyer Linda Clark, who now has whole conflict
issues around that because she claims she wasn't a lawyer
for the purposes of that. But we now discover that
the source, the anonymous source, was none other than the
(05:39):
Mayor's chief of staff, who's responsible for pointing the so
called independent investigator. Like, this isn't the whole thing. I'm
nearly going to see shambles. It's not quite a book,
but it is just like this. This council was so dysfunctional.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
It totally is. Hey, we'll take a break to come
back and have a chat about what's going on with
the nurses in English.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Bundle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, elevate the marketing
of your home.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Right, you're back with the huddle Jordan Williams and Mike Munroe. Jordan, Okay,
what do you make of this directive at Wycuple Hospital
Hospital that the nurses may only speak English and clinical situations.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Well, I keep the other half on this because she's
the she's the pediatric contents of care nurse. And she
jumped down my throat at thus that she's been in
situations and immergion situations where Filipino nurses have not spoken
English to each other. And absolutely, yeah, as I said it, well.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
So they're speaking, they're speaking their own language to each other.
The clinical stuff, what's.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Going on, and it's a safety concern, and so she said,
little bit has nothing to do with toay, It'll be
that there is a lot of English and second language
nurses and you know, it's the reality and a lot
of clinical settings now and that of course and high
pressure situations, they may revert back to the native language.
But that is a big dangerous no no, when half
(06:58):
your clinical team don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Surprise that that's happening.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Well, m said that she's literally been in those situations
and I don't know she referred to one one particular
one at Starship, but I didn't ask her how many times,
but said, totally understandable. They get the directive and totally appropriate.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Okay, Mike, what do you think.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Well, look, Jordan didn't once mentioned from what I can recall,
the patients and and and surely the patience, safety of
the person's mind that the patient here is absolutely critical
to these communications. And as Rittie said today that you know,
if nurses feel that it's appropriate and clinically safe to
converse in their own language and in their first language
(07:42):
and with one another and with patients, then that should
be able to happen because the most critical thing is
that everyone understands, including the patient, what is going on
in these clinical situations.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
No, I think you're ready. No, that wasn't. That wasn't.
What I was saying clearly communicating with patients is.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
There are two different settings here, Jordan's. So there is
one where you'll talk where the nurse talks to the
patient in their first language, and then there's the second
where the nurses talk to each other. WHI surrounded by
other clinicians and they're all trying to save somebody.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
And it is it is. I think it's disgraceful the
way and wanting to reach for outrage and turning this
into it And no, no, is it not that you
can buy into the the obviously not the good news
talks and in the new door.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
But some of the our friends, our friends, our competitors, yes,
read radio. Okay, here, here's here's the thing. Mike's, Mike's, Jordan,
to be Mike, I'm sorry for what he just said you, Jordren,
to be fair, you would never listen to them, Jordan,
this is the problem. Right, So so it may be
fair enough to instruct the nurses to say, hey, listen,
(08:51):
if you're trying to save somebody's life, and you're a
whole bunch of doctors and nurses trying to save somebody's life,
only speak in English to everybody understands the way the
communication has gone out, the memo has gone out. It's
it's like nothing but English in clinic clinical settings. And
that's a problem because actually, in some clinical settings, like
talking to a patient in their first language, it is
perfectly acceptable to do that. I would say, it's the
way the thing's been written, right, possibly, which is caused
(09:13):
the outrage.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
And you can imagine that that clinicians are sometimes a
bit ten yeared.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I can't imagine, Yes, Michael, is that a fair assessment
of it?
Speaker 3 (09:21):
I think I think you've got to go back to
this sort of classical textbook communication definition, and the definition
of communication is when the message is understood by the receiver.
So if two staff are speaking to each other, you
know that that applies. And if a staff members talking
to a patient, that applies. So I mean there might
(09:43):
be cases we cut back and forth between English and
another language so that the receiver of the information knows
what the hell is going on. But I think submitting
the whole hospital to memos like this one from my kiddo,
I just think it's it's a blunt, a blunt in struy.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
I totally agree with that. All Right, guys, listen, thank
you so much, appreciate it. From the pair of you.
That's our huddle this evening. Mike Monroe, Jordan Williams seven
Away from six.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
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news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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