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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Friday Sports with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Find.
You're one of a kind.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
When two people are running at each other under these
run at style conditions, the impact forces are like jumping
off the roof of your house on your front. So
that's the level of trauma that your body is experiencing.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I like to have chunks of rapid footy New Zealand
players Samoa Tama will play in the middle of the year.
Why origins on I don't know any other code in
the world where you would just rip out their best
players to go climb to someone else.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
There's a little trip playoff of let's say looking for
the try.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Oh that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Look it doesn't contravene any more that I can think of, So.
Speaker 5 (00:43):
It's a try sports title of us. This evening we
have Elliott Smith, Newstalk ZBES rugby editor and Claywell's and
newstorg Zibi Sport news director. Hello lads, evening evening, Right Elliott,
what do we do with the run it?
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Well, we shouldn't have to make it illegal. It should
be common sense that two blokes or two ladies running
into each other at.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
High sty don't do this kind of standing because.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Their brains are fully formed idiots running at each other. Unfortunately,
we've seen the darkest of consequences as a result this week.
But really it should be common sense that you shouldn't
run full tilt to each other. Shouldn't need a law
being enacted. But hey, if that's going to be what
stops it.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
But it's not.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
It's not because it's going to it would stop the
events being held. You know that the official events. But
two people in a park or die.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
It wasn't an official event.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
A Facebook event and people are still going to turn up.
So I don't think banning it would have any impact
on the boy.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Who died, Clay. His uncle said that what we should
do is have rugby league and rugby stars come out
and talk about it and sort of set an example.
Would that change things, do you think? Or would it
actually make hypocrites of them because they run at each
other for money?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I think so.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I mean you could argue that rugby rugby league that
these sports it's a lot more controlled environment. While it
does happen, the chances are perhaps a lot lower than
something like this, where you're actually deliberately running straight into
each other. But maybe, I mean, these people look up
to these kind of things, and I tend to think
that these official events might have had something to do
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with what's happened, you know, like if that wasn't out
there on social media, people aren't seeing that, right, so I.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Think there's been a direct link being drawn there.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
So perhaps if we can find a way to legislate
against these things being officially held. But that was the
discussion we were having in the office this week, is like, well,
how do you actually stop people from doing this? If
I organized six guys and someone else organized six guys
and we wanted down to Victoria Park, what law is
there actually for the police to say, well, you can't
do that. There isn't one, right, so you know there's
going to be have to be some wheels in motion.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
And then also the other thing to consider, isn't it
is that I mean, gosh, the cops are so busy
already trying to protect bad guys, protect us from bad guys.
Do they really need to protect us from ourselves?
Speaker 4 (02:49):
They probably don't need to be patrolling local parks trying
to stop this would be like lockdown all over again,
trying to break up sort of little bubbles and gatherings
and go, I think that looks like it. Run it straight,
if you know, play again? Yeah, exactly. So I don't
think the cops need to be worried with it. But
really it takes even if you take a step back
and go, what am I doing here? And should I
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be running full tilt at someone I know? Is someone
I don't know? Probably not? You know, just use your brains, people,
Lord it looks rough.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Hey, what do you make clay of what Andrew Webster said,
which was that we need to take the state of
origin out of the middle of the NRL season.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
It's one of those ideas that's great in theory but
in practice a lot more difficult to put into place. Well,
because the NRL is a massive commercial beast, right, and
who controls that commercial beast? It's the broadcast is essentially right,
The NRL is run by the NRL and the ARL,
but that they are dictated to a boy what broadcasters
want to do. And broadcasters love having a long season
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and they love having state of origin, and those two
have to meld together in a certain way. Now, how
do you work around that? I mean, I don't know,
because you have to either extend the set, the season,
the competition, or find some other way to fit these in,
but also not have the state of origin teams mean
the NRAL teams mess out. Yeah, so yeah, it's not
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an easy problem to solve.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Is it even really a problem though, Elliott? I mean,
don't we aren't we used to this? We have the
all black players resting on super rugby games.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
That is a bit, but to an extent, this is
worse because you're dragging out I think this saw the
statua was thirty six players state of origin, a whole
lot of players on buyers last week as well. It
did weaken the NRL slate last weekend. And you're trying
to talk up the NRAL and what a great competition is,
but for six rounds in the middle of the season,
when you're supposed to be having the best players coming
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to their peak of their form, you take them out
and go and play something else. No other competition does that.
So then need to find a way. And look, they're
going to expand the NRA even further, but that may
actually be the answer. Is that once you get to
nineteen teams, you had in the pupa new Guinea team
the Perth Bears and whoever else you can actually go to.
Everyone plays everyone once and then because at the moment
there's twenty seven rounds, would be say twenty rounds, you
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throw in a couple of buys, needs your break. That's
six weeks that you found that the competition can pause
for you play for you Kiwis test against some more
Figi Tonga, whoever else might want to play.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
So you're thinking, logically, sorry, do these guys think.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Run straight at anyone? So no, they don't, because again,
it's product for the broadcasters. There was still five games
of n roll last week. Yes, it was that week
in quality and the Panthers and the Warriors and everyone
else lost players, but there were still five games that
people sat on their couches and watched. And that's what
the broadcasters want at the end of the day.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
Why is it going to be okay this week? Aren't
they play? Well?
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Yeah, the Warriors might be okay with the Warriors one
of the teams that aren't usually that impacted by it.
But we were discussing this and you know, I'm sure
there's teams that have missed out on the top eight
or missed out on top four because of a game
or two they might have lost in this period when
they lost players to state of origin. So yell. It
was even telling me a story about Wayne Bennett, the
famous coach, said that he believes he's lost.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
He's lost premierships because he hasn't had his best players
and he's been a number of clubs and because he
hadn't had the best players during the origin period of
lost games, and that's meant they haven't finished his high
on the table and then had to play away from
home or a tougher opposition, and they haven't won premierships
because of it. So it is weakening the competition for
another competition entirely. I just do not get it now.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
I wasn't asking you if the Warriors are going to
be okay because the state of origin, because that would
be that would be like you'd be like, who are
you and what do you not know about rugby league
that you asking this question? I was meaning, other Warriors
going to be okay playing this week? Are they going
to win?
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Well?
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I mean, I don't know. The NRL is so unpredictable
at the moment, it's hard. It's hard to know. Even
more unpredictable than usual. But you know, they're a team
that's playing well. Would I like bet on it?
Speaker 4 (06:37):
No?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
They last week I'm playing the Rabbit O's, who are
a team that's going okay, they're below them on the table.
But you know, I just, I mean, certainly, I'm not
a big betting man, but if I was, I don't
think I would be throwing NRL or the Warriors into
my weekly multi okay that often because I just it's
not that we.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Have thirty years of the Warriors. Just when you think
they're on the up, they tear you right down again.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
I know, never get your hopes up because they'll dash it.
All right, We'll take a break, come back to you guys.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
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Speaker 5 (07:10):
Reach back with the sports Hittle Clay and Elliott with
me Clay. Here's a good one from Mark Boxing and
MMA is League. So you can't ban one without the other.
So we if we let people hit each other in
the head and kick each other in the head, then
why don't we want them to run at each other?
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Wow? Yeah, I mean I get the argument, but I
still think that like boxing, for example, is a more
controlled environment.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Yes, it's risk versus risk and skill. Right, So with boxing,
at least you've got some skill and you've got something
going on there and then occasionally you get a big
smash in the head, whereas these guys are guaranteed to
smash in the head frequently.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
And the other thing is they're not wearing any protection
on their heads. And that's what you think, right when
two big bodies come together, you think of the injury
is going to be when your headslied, right, And we
see it happen in rugby and those kind of sports
as an accident. But this is this is designed think
that the proportion of when it's going to happen is
lightly be quite.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
High, and that you're bracing for contact when you're in
the boxing ring or the UFC and this you were
bracing to hit each other. You're not bracing to protect
yourself from the contact. You actually actively seeking this hit
against the other person. So and in like boxing, UFC
have medical officials there formates down at the park running
it straight at each other. They're not going to have
the local ste.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
I mean, I guess we need to accept that every
sport is somewhere on a continuum of low risk to
high risk.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Right if one people have died in that, you know
this is just.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Really high risk and without any real kind of benefit too.
It's just bizarre. Anyway, Anyway, I need to ask you
about Gary Stead, Elliott, what's going on? Is he is he?
Is it the end?
Speaker 4 (08:36):
It sounds like it's the end for Gary Stead. Now
we don't exactly know whether he decided it was the
end where the New Zealand Cricket decided it was the end,
because when he stepped back a couple of months back
and said, oh, I'm going to takes some time out.
I might want to coach the red ball, probably don't
want to do all the formats anymore. He hasn't spoken since,
we haven't heard from him, but New Zealand Cricket, by
the sound of it, offered interviews to a couple of
(08:56):
applicants today and Gary Stead was not among them. So
that would sugeduce that Gary Steid's time as Black Caps
coaches over and probably that they want one coach to
lead all three formats of the game, So that would
be the end of Gary Stead.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
I mean, how are we.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
Can remember him Clay, because he seems to me like
whichever way you look at him, you can draw your
own conclusion. He was incredibly successful in terms of what
he managed to achieve. But at the same time, geez,
there were some rough periods, weren't there.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
I think early on there was perhaps a perception that
he was piggybacking off what Brenda McCallum and Mike Hessen
had created and that successful kind of squad, that team.
But then the team has dipped a couple of times
since then and then come back and had success again,
So you can't really argue against that. And as the
head coach, you know, without being in a sanctum of
the team, he's obviously had a significant contribution to that.
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So it is kind of a because the team has
been a bit up and down, it's hard to look back,
but you know, we don't have a lot of resources
compared to all these other big nations and he's led
the team to some success. So I mean, he's got
to be a pretty decent cricket coach. I would have
thought he's.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
Just some remarkable success. Hey, listen, we haven't got very long.
I just want to know from you guys really quickly.
What if you into a carpety decided in the terms
of the club Rugby. If you do anything that's naughty,
you're out right. They're really taking a tough stance. Should
others do the same thing?
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Absolutely, this should be a blanket thing across the country
if you're gonna and it would be one way to
stamp thing out if there's not gonna be any club Rugby
next weekend because someone acts out, someone has a crack
at the referee. I'm all for it. The more they
can do it.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
You know, okay with a bit of lip. No, it depends.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Where the line is, you know, come on, reef ARKive
one side, that's fine, you know which is what it's
approaching the line, but probably it's on the right side
of it. You've got got to draw the line somewhere. Yes,
and I think that good on hold a corpandy for
doing so. And you know more Union should do it.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
Yeah, I suppose if you're standing there and having to
listen to you being a bloody idiot, that's not okay
as a clay okay in the lounge.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
And also, you know, like these people are volunteers, Like
if you're a paid professional at a super rugby game,
say it ea in park. You might expect, oh, you
know where your glass is ref or something like this,
or you know, even the odd swear word to do,
but you know you've been paid to do it. But
in the amateur ranks, I just think, you know, we
want to encourage as many people to be involved in
sport and we need official.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
We take it very seriously, don't we really take it?
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Don't we absolutely?
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Yeah, like too seriously. It's just sport, all right, guys.
It's really lovely to have a pair of you in
the studio. Thank you so much. Enjoy your week in
a sport. That's Elliott Smith and Clay Wilson our sports titles.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
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