May 14, 2025 • 9 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, David Farrar from Kiwiblog and Curia and Jack Tame from ZB's Saturday Mornings and Q&A joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
The Green Party has unveiled their alternative Budget - what do we make of it? How laughable are these ideas?
Brooke van Velden made history in Parliament today by dropping the c-bomb to call out Labour for referencing the Andrea Vance column. Was this the right move?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
With us on the huddle, we have David Farreh of
Kiwi Blog and Curia and Jack Tame of Q and
A and host of Saturday mornings on ZBH. Are you too, David?
Have you had a look at the Greens budget and
out of ten, how awesome is it?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I'd probably say an eighty eight. For that's how much
billions of tax that they're wanting to do impose on
people for if you work, if you savor, if you die.
So not have big fair.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Now, Jack, Now, Jack nor I know that normally you are,
you know, a little bit more sympathetic to the Greens
than I perhaps am.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
So how you're feeling about this alternative budget?
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Well, I mean, if David chose an eighty eight out
of ten, I two thirty three, which I think is
the new the new tax rate for inheritance over a
million dollars, I can see going down super Well. I mean, look,
it's look, I find it interesting that in an economy
where we all agree, I think that New Zealand's got
(00:58):
this kind of long lasting productivity problem, why you don't
want to incentivize work, Like, why you don't want to
incentivize people to work really hard? And sometimes to have
two jobs if needs be, so that they can get ahead. Now,
I don't think that our tax system is perfectly balanced
at the moment, But one of the things that I
think isn't right is that at the moment income is
(01:18):
taxed pretty keenly, but other forms of wealth or revenue.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Aren't necessarily Have you made this.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
No, no, this this is to say that I don't.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
When I look at the Greens budget, it's like tax
everywhere basically is going up.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
So it's a tax that.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
You're earning from from from from income, from working a job,
POYE is going up like it's it's across the board.
And I would have thought that they to make it
slightly more politically palatable. There might be some other payoffs
where they might say, Okay, if we are going to
picture wealth tax or pitch an inheritance tax, or yes,
a private jet tax, all of these things, then we're
(01:56):
going to try and reduce taxes more substantially in some
of these other areas.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Is but yeah, no, tex Switch. Hey David, do you
ever when you do polling with Curia, do you ever
look at the drag that the Greens have on labor,
like how how how much the Greens make it harder
for people to vote for labor.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, we do look at that. It's really interesting. What
we tend to do is we ask people what do
you think of these party leaders? And on the center right,
it's interesting national voters for some time of like David Seymour,
But really interesting is they really like Winston now. But
on the left, labor voters really don't like Tiparty Mari leaders,
(02:37):
and they're not that keen on the Green leaders either.
People mistake labor activists with labor voters. They're very different people.
And I actually think the biggest challenge labor has got
into the election will be the Greens anti party.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Mariy Yes, I would agree with that, yep. And this
makes worse, doesn't it, Jake?
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Well, yeah, I mean I suppose like it's relatively a
relatively easy play for labor if they really wanted to.
I mean, they're going to get stuck in the ruling
and ruling it out game in the eighteen months leading
up to the election, no matter whether they want or otherwise.
But I mean, can we think of a major economic
policy that they've had in the past, in any sort
of government that they've adopted from the Greens. I can't
(03:17):
think of one of the Greens have.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Never been this big, and that's the that's the most relevant.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Thing what happens on election day. Yeah, I mean, by
the nature of the Greens and the way the party works,
it's not like they have any alternatives if they want
to be in government rather than going with Labor, right,
because they effectively automatically ruled out going with National which
means they have absolutely no bargaining chips. So Labor, if
(03:42):
it ever came to a negotiation, could say, right, you
can be with us, you can accept all of our
economic policy, or you can just spend another.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Three year the important out and you're right.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
But the important thing is that Labour needs to say
that before the election, and not to the Greens. They
need to say to voters. They need to say, this
rainbow in Unicorn's budget that we just got from the
Greens is crap. None of it's ever happening, don't worry
about it.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
That's what they need to do.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Yeah, I reckon. Oh sorry, David, I was going to
say that works when you're really big party of government,
when you're at forty two forty three percent, they get
two ministers outside kidnet. But when that's a three way
coalition and all the Poles say that's.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Are you there? Am I stuck with you?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Jack? Yeah? Well I don't frame it like that, thank you.
I just wondered.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
I thought maybe David had had dropped a certain word
and that we'd all been cut off in.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
And was like, enough of that, Let's take this.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
There's enough that we've heard that enough later, David. Yeah,
I mean to David's point, though, he's totally right, like
you definitely have like the only way at the moment
the pole suggests that Labor you know, or that that
Chris Hipkins might be the next prime minister is with
a three party coalition, right, so which which does change
those coalitions or support negotiation dynamics once again?
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Yeh listen, we need to take a really break. Will
come back right.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
You're back with the huddle, David, listen, is this the
first time? Do you think that the sea bomb's been
dropped in Parliament?
Speaker 4 (05:07):
First time?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
On purpose? John Carter many years ago tried to accuse
Labor of attempting a cunning stunt and he misspoke and
at top round five minutes of the house to resume order.
I was very careful myself there, not to speak from you,
but yes, it is the only time outside that I
(05:30):
can recall having said that, possibly the only time where
you can just fire. The biggest newspaper chain in New
Zealand is going to run an article that actually calls
female ministers the sea word. Then having one of those
ministers slurred that way respond, I think is appropriate and
(05:52):
it would have lost the powerful impact if she had
just said the sea word, because you knew what the
stuff article was meaning.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
The thing is why she did It's jack was basically
to underscore the hypocrisy amongst the feminists on the left
who will come to the defense of women on their
side but not on the other side.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
She's got a fair point, hasn't she.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Well.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
I certainly think from Labour's perspective, it's baffling to me,
like totally puzzling why they would have brought the subject
down to the house like it's low hanging fruit. You
would have thought for Brook van Belden to immediately leap
upon it and say, ah, yes, okay, yes. The keen
feminists who also diligently defended Prime minister Desinder r Dern
and you know, said that she was subject to the
(06:38):
most appalling sexism. Now not being so forth right in
their defense of me. Funny how the tired turns.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah. So I was totally.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Baffled why a Labor would bring it up. I mean,
you know, obviously the minister did have an option to
reference said word without saying said word. I agree with
David that it probably wouldn't have had the same impact.
It wouldn't be leading all the news sites around the country,
it wouldn't be doing a million views on YouTube and
ticked off by midnight tonight. That being said, yeah, I
(07:09):
think Brook van veld knew exactly what she was doing.
And I suppose the hypocrisy message can cut all ways, right,
so you can say, yes, the left are being hypocritical
by not standing up for her, But you could say, well,
Brook van Velden's being hypocritical. If she says that it's
such an offensive term, then why is she using in
the the house.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
I am beyond huddled but staggered that Labor chose to
reference that column in front question. They have meetings where
they discussed their questions and how they possibly thought. Oh,
let's ask the minister if they agree with a Columny David.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Is it possibly because they have gone into a little
echo chamber of a whole bunch of people who think
the same, who are sharing it and going isn't this
wonderful that Andrea Vance said that that's probably the explanation.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
That can only be the explanation. And you all know
that whenever some random throll on social media uses the
seaword against a politician, stuff runs article after article decrine it,
and here they run it in their own column. And
(08:14):
where are the feminists, Where's the National Council of Woman,
Where's the Human Rights Commission? Where's all the feminist MP's
and labor and Greens. They don't have to say they
like brock Orn on color. They just have to say
we hate their policy. But no politician should be called
the sea word.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
And when you look at it, we're sorry here when
you look at it from a like, from a strategic
perspective in the house, I mean, you know, Jantinini might
say that, oh, I didn't actually ask if Brook van
Velden agreed with the use of that term. The truth
is the moment that any parliamentary question reference that column
in any way. She could have said, does the minister
agree with the use of the full stop at the
(08:51):
end of that column? And you just know that was
immediately going to leap upon.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
It, like it's so obvious. So yeah, there's totally deaftling
to me.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Stupid politics. Hey guys, thank you. It's always wonderful to
talk to you.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
That is.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
David Ferrer and Jack came a huddle this
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Evening for more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive listen live
to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or
follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
With us on the huddle, we have David Farreh of
Kiwi Blog and Curia and Jack Tame of Q and
A and host of Saturday mornings on ZBH. Are you too, David?
Have you had a look at the Greens budget and
out of ten, how awesome is it?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I'd probably say an eighty eight. For that's how much
billions of tax that they're wanting to do impose on
people for if you work, if you savor, if you die.
So not have big fair.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Now, Jack, Now, Jack nor I know that normally you are,
you know, a little bit more sympathetic to the Greens
than I perhaps am.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
So how you're feeling about this alternative budget?
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Well, I mean, if David chose an eighty eight out
of ten, I two thirty three, which I think is
the new the new tax rate for inheritance over a
million dollars, I can see going down super Well. I mean, look,
it's look, I find it interesting that in an economy
where we all agree, I think that New Zealand's got
(00:58):
this kind of long lasting productivity problem, why you don't
want to incentivize work, Like, why you don't want to
incentivize people to work really hard? And sometimes to have
two jobs if needs be, so that they can get ahead. Now,
I don't think that our tax system is perfectly balanced
at the moment, But one of the things that I
think isn't right is that at the moment income is
(01:18):
taxed pretty keenly, but other forms of wealth or revenue.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Aren't necessarily Have you made this.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
No, no, this this is to say that I don't.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
When I look at the Greens budget, it's like tax
everywhere basically is going up.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
So it's a tax that.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
You're earning from from from from income, from working a job,
POYE is going up like it's it's across the board.
And I would have thought that they to make it
slightly more politically palatable. There might be some other payoffs
where they might say, Okay, if we are going to
picture wealth tax or pitch an inheritance tax, or yes,
a private jet tax, all of these things, then we're
(01:56):
going to try and reduce taxes more substantially in some
of these other areas.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Is but yeah, no, tex Switch. Hey David, do you
ever when you do polling with Curia, do you ever
look at the drag that the Greens have on labor,
like how how how much the Greens make it harder
for people to vote for labor.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, we do look at that. It's really interesting. What
we tend to do is we ask people what do
you think of these party leaders? And on the center right,
it's interesting national voters for some time of like David Seymour,
But really interesting is they really like Winston now. But
on the left, labor voters really don't like Tiparty Mari leaders,
(02:37):
and they're not that keen on the Green leaders either.
People mistake labor activists with labor voters. They're very different people.
And I actually think the biggest challenge labor has got
into the election will be the Greens anti party.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Mariy Yes, I would agree with that, yep. And this
makes worse, doesn't it, Jake?
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Well, yeah, I mean I suppose like it's relatively a
relatively easy play for labor if they really wanted to.
I mean, they're going to get stuck in the ruling
and ruling it out game in the eighteen months leading
up to the election, no matter whether they want or otherwise.
But I mean, can we think of a major economic
policy that they've had in the past, in any sort
of government that they've adopted from the Greens. I can't
(03:17):
think of one of the Greens have.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Never been this big, and that's the that's the most relevant.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Thing what happens on election day. Yeah, I mean, by
the nature of the Greens and the way the party works,
it's not like they have any alternatives if they want
to be in government rather than going with Labor, right,
because they effectively automatically ruled out going with National which
means they have absolutely no bargaining chips. So Labor, if
(03:42):
it ever came to a negotiation, could say, right, you
can be with us, you can accept all of our
economic policy, or you can just spend another.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Three year the important out and you're right.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
But the important thing is that Labour needs to say
that before the election, and not to the Greens. They
need to say to voters. They need to say, this
rainbow in Unicorn's budget that we just got from the
Greens is crap. None of it's ever happening, don't worry
about it.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
That's what they need to do.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Yeah, I reckon. Oh sorry, David, I was going to
say that works when you're really big party of government,
when you're at forty two forty three percent, they get
two ministers outside kidnet. But when that's a three way
coalition and all the Poles say that's.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Are you there? Am I stuck with you?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Jack? Yeah? Well I don't frame it like that, thank you.
I just wondered.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
I thought maybe David had had dropped a certain word
and that we'd all been cut off in.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
And was like, enough of that, Let's take this.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
There's enough that we've heard that enough later, David. Yeah,
I mean to David's point, though, he's totally right, like
you definitely have like the only way at the moment
the pole suggests that Labor you know, or that that
Chris Hipkins might be the next prime minister is with
a three party coalition, right, so which which does change
those coalitions or support negotiation dynamics once again?
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Yeh listen, we need to take a really break. Will
come back right.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
You're back with the huddle, David, listen, is this the
first time? Do you think that the sea bomb's been
dropped in Parliament?
Speaker 4 (05:07):
First time?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
On purpose? John Carter many years ago tried to accuse
Labor of attempting a cunning stunt and he misspoke and
at top round five minutes of the house to resume order.
I was very careful myself there, not to speak from you,
but yes, it is the only time outside that I
(05:30):
can recall having said that, possibly the only time where
you can just fire. The biggest newspaper chain in New
Zealand is going to run an article that actually calls
female ministers the sea word. Then having one of those
ministers slurred that way respond, I think is appropriate and
(05:52):
it would have lost the powerful impact if she had
just said the sea word, because you knew what the
stuff article was meaning.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
The thing is why she did It's jack was basically
to underscore the hypocrisy amongst the feminists on the left
who will come to the defense of women on their
side but not on the other side.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
She's got a fair point, hasn't she.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Well.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
I certainly think from Labour's perspective, it's baffling to me,
like totally puzzling why they would have brought the subject
down to the house like it's low hanging fruit. You
would have thought for Brook van Belden to immediately leap
upon it and say, ah, yes, okay, yes. The keen
feminists who also diligently defended Prime minister Desinder r Dern
and you know, said that she was subject to the
(06:38):
most appalling sexism. Now not being so forth right in
their defense of me. Funny how the tired turns.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah. So I was totally.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Baffled why a Labor would bring it up. I mean,
you know, obviously the minister did have an option to
reference said word without saying said word. I agree with
David that it probably wouldn't have had the same impact.
It wouldn't be leading all the news sites around the country,
it wouldn't be doing a million views on YouTube and
ticked off by midnight tonight. That being said, yeah, I
(07:09):
think Brook van veld knew exactly what she was doing.
And I suppose the hypocrisy message can cut all ways, right,
so you can say, yes, the left are being hypocritical
by not standing up for her, But you could say, well,
Brook van Velden's being hypocritical. If she says that it's
such an offensive term, then why is she using in
the the house.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
I am beyond huddled but staggered that Labor chose to
reference that column in front question. They have meetings where
they discussed their questions and how they possibly thought. Oh,
let's ask the minister if they agree with a Columny David.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Is it possibly because they have gone into a little
echo chamber of a whole bunch of people who think
the same, who are sharing it and going isn't this
wonderful that Andrea Vance said that that's probably the explanation.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
That can only be the explanation. And you all know
that whenever some random throll on social media uses the
seaword against a politician, stuff runs article after article decrine it,
and here they run it in their own column. And
(08:14):
where are the feminists, Where's the National Council of Woman,
Where's the Human Rights Commission? Where's all the feminist MP's
and labor and Greens. They don't have to say they
like brock Orn on color. They just have to say
we hate their policy. But no politician should be called
the sea word.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
And when you look at it, we're sorry here when
you look at it from a like, from a strategic
perspective in the house, I mean, you know, Jantinini might
say that, oh, I didn't actually ask if Brook van
Velden agreed with the use of that term. The truth
is the moment that any parliamentary question reference that column
in any way. She could have said, does the minister
agree with the use of the full stop at the
(08:51):
end of that column? And you just know that was
immediately going to leap upon.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
It, like it's so obvious. So yeah, there's totally deaftling
to me.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Stupid politics. Hey guys, thank you. It's always wonderful to
talk to you.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
That is.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
David Ferrer and Jack came a huddle this
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Evening for more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive listen live
to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or
follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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