July 31, 2025 • 8 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Ali Jones from Red PR and Tim Wilson from the Maxim Institute joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
Did Emergency Management go overboard with their alerts regarding the tsunami? Or is it better to be safe than sorry?
The Chief of Navy has ordered Kiwi sailors to stop drinking irresponsibly, saying alcohol substance misuse is undermining the organisation. Do we agree with this?
The leader of Gloriavale is officially a sex offender after pleading guilty to 12 charges mid-trial. Is it time to shut down Gloriavale for good?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It is now eighteen to six.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Unique Homes
uniquely for you.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
So in the huddle today we've got Alie Jones from
Red pr and Tim Wilson from the Maximu Institute. Ladies
and gentlemen, Good afternoon, goodli The issue du jour, the
beg issue. Did our emergency management go overboard during the
tsunami alerts overnight? And we'll start with you, Tim, you
(00:29):
have a minute, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
I mean I think emergency management continues to undermine its credibility.
We saw that in Auckland with some of the recent
rain warnings that came through. I mean, once you start
sending out alert about an earthquake on the other side
of the world, I mean, wouldn't you wait till at
least Hawaii or ifij got tsunamid? And I do see
(00:54):
that there was a surge that hit I think it
was the Chatham Islands. It was one point zero meters calculated.
That will affect our toddler Otto. He's two and a
half and he doesn't have a phone, So what are
you going to do about him?
Speaker 1 (01:06):
We're going to give him a surfboard. What do you say,
I mean, I mean, was it overboard? You know, was
it excessive.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
I don't entirely agree with Tim on this. I think
it comes down to what is reasonable. And I'm not
a an expert in the area of how far an
eight point to earthquake can travel. I don't think anyone
is because we have so few of them, and I
think that's the issue. You know, it's one of the
largest we've ever seen. We're now seeing it rebound off
South America. I understand, so they took a precautionary approach,
(01:35):
and I think that's reasonable. I think the issue is
the number of alerts. And I have to say, as
you mentioned, Andrew, the communication is not great. I do
think mister Price needs some communication training to be frank. Look,
he's he's had a leading role in police responses to emergencies,
including the earthquakes here in christ Church, the Port Hills fires,
(01:56):
the terrorist attacks as well, so he knows his stuff.
But let's have someone who can be succinct, clear and
direct when they're talking to us. And I think if
we can get that sorted, it will help the credibility.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Andrew, I know, just the person who can help. Ellie
Jones read pr right.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
That was not an ad that is so good.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
We're going to talk about Navy people drinking, in fact,
all the defense forces drinking. Right after the break. This
is the huddle with Ali Jones and Tim Wilson.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty. The ones
for Unmashed results.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
From the text ninety two ninety two small charge of
plays after that interview, I have no faith in the
head of our Civil Defense John Price. It was that bad, yes,
And don't worry. There's just as many texts saying that
I was rude and arrogant because they got frustrated at
his lack of answers. But there we go. We're in
the huddle. We've got Allie Jones and Tim Wilson. And
the next issue, ladies and gentlemen, is the Chief of
Navy has ordered keep we say is to stop drinking.
(02:51):
Irresponsibly saying that they're drinking is undermining the professionalism and
the reputation of the Navy and the Defense Force. And
I think it's got to a very bad state when
Ali the rare admal has to do in order to
stop drinking rather than putting in support services to stop
people from drinking.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
I don't think you can assume what to what point
it's got Andrew. I think that actually getting in before
it gets to that point is the smart thing to do.
And I think they could be front footing this before
it gets to that point. I say, well, into them.
I heard what Judith Collins said, and I agree with her,
because you know, putting something out like this, they know
(03:29):
it's going to be a new story. They know it's
going to put the spotlight on them, and that people
will be looking for incidents now to show what you've
just said that it's got to a really bad point.
So you know, they have footed this knowing that they
could be throwing themselves open to really close scrutiny. But
just one thing that's really important about this is this
should highlight the wider societal issue with alcohol. You know,
(03:53):
we hear this a lot sometimes, you know, pregnant women
warn not to drink the effects of fetal alcohol syndrome
and so forth. This is a bigger societal issue and
I want that talked about more rather than just you know,
about the navy here.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
And this is true. And also Tim, this is the thing,
We've got twelve thousand people in the defense Force. We
asked them to a job that most people wouldn't have
the guts or the rules to do in the first place.
And yes, there's a lot of drinking, and yes there
is a lot of sexual abuse, and there's a lot
of violence. So there's a lot of shenanigans going on.
But it's important to control these things within a force,
to keep the discipline.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yeah, yeah, and that's I think that's this is the typical.
This is the way that a Navy would respond to something.
They first give an order, and as Wayne Map said,
I think that order is the beginning of a process.
I just observed that there seems to be a cluster
of bad behavior. So I don't know if the drinking
is a cause or a symptom, but I will note
that there is no drinking allowed while at sea or anchored.
(04:49):
These are on shore issues. And historically, actually we're quite boozy.
I looked it up. He was the last Navy in
the world to stop a daily tot of rum and
that was stopped on the twenty eight to February nineteen ninety.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
And the problem is with how forces have mad Mondays
when they come ashore in Singapore and they go, look
at that, we're off the ship. What are we going
to do now? You know? But I can tell you
that it's a big problem in many areas because I
hear the cannons going off whenever the court martials are
happening at the Devenport Naval Base, and it happens an
awful lot. There's an awful lot of offending within the Navy,
and it's based on drink, and it's based on sexual
(05:23):
abuse and all sorts of things. And I know there's
already sexual abuse support agencies within the Defense Force, and
I just wondered whether they've actually got on top of
drinking earlier. But yeah, they've done the order, so there
is a good thing. So Allie, the leader of Gloria
Vale is officially a sex offender. Is it time to
close that place down?
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (05:40):
God?
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Yes, did you see Brian Henry last night? Outstanding? I
have to lay it on the table here. I've worked
for the last three years with the lawyers and Brian
and the team supporting the leavers, doing it pro bow,
no no payment or anything. I just want to help
them out. And you know, I texted Brian last night
after I saw that on the news. He was bristling.
I have never seen him that angry in the three
(06:01):
years i've worked with them. This is a sex cult
and that's something that Brian and the team have been
saying for ages.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Now.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
This was operating under Cindra Dune's government. Now they made
huge efforts in that government to address overseas slavery, protect children,
and here we've got it going on on the west
coast of New Zealand.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Oh oh, we'll see Ali, Ali, hold on, you're coming
and going, You're coming, and I'm cutting out?
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Are there now?
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Am I there?
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Now?
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Yeah, So what they should have closed it down, But
what they need to do is put supports in place.
There are people in there who have been in there
from the day they were born, and their parents as well.
It's generational now, so they've got to close it down,
but they have to do it carefully and put the
supports around it.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Tim.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yeah, look, I've gone back and fall on this. I
agree with Ali, But then I think, okay, so they're
closing it down. What does shutting Gloria Veil down actually
look like? Does it mean taking the land doesn't mean
driving a tank through the front of the place that
starts to trammelf some really big freedoms, freedom of association,
freedom of religion, property rights, all of that stuff. Now
(07:10):
when the last.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Battle, it also means, you know, liberating people who have
been enslaved from childhood.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
And the sex abuse, the slavery stops.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
I get that. In Gloria, Veil has been subject to
the law. There was you know, from August twenty twenty two,
twenty twenty two mb Orrang Samariki, MSD, et cetera, where
getting reports out of glory of Veil. That stopped in
December twenty twenty three. I would say, get that happening again.
But I think it's a bad precedent. Yes, it's a
place with some real problems, and there are real victims,
(07:42):
but I don't think shutting it down will solve that.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
I don't think they shouldn't be getting any more chances
when they stopped that reporting back at that at the
end of twenty did you say twenty three time? I
couldn't remember where twenty twenty three happened. Twenty Yeah. I
mean there is enough that has gone on here. This
is not the first sexual sort of predator that we've
seen in that place. The school doesn't operate because they
can't teach them. The women are told what to think
(08:07):
and what to do. I mean, just look at the documentary.
I cannot believe. I still say I cannot believe that
this is still going on in New Zealand. They need
to close it down, and they need to close it down.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Now. I'm with you. I'm with you totally as well. Alie.
I've seen evidence and evidence and bits on the TV.
I've seen it all the time, and I've seen the
horror that people have seen this, and you've explained it well,
You're right, Brian explained it well last night. And so yeah,
i'd say it's about time, and I'd like to thank
both of you because time is up on the huddle
for Allie Jones and Tim Wilson and this is News
Talks EBB.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, Listen live to
News talkszb from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
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It is now eighteen to six.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Unique Homes
uniquely for you.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
So in the huddle today we've got Alie Jones from
Red pr and Tim Wilson from the Maximu Institute. Ladies
and gentlemen, Good afternoon, goodli The issue du jour, the
beg issue. Did our emergency management go overboard during the
tsunami alerts overnight? And we'll start with you, Tim, you
(00:29):
have a minute, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
I mean I think emergency management continues to undermine its credibility.
We saw that in Auckland with some of the recent
rain warnings that came through. I mean, once you start
sending out alert about an earthquake on the other side
of the world, I mean, wouldn't you wait till at
least Hawaii or ifij got tsunamid? And I do see
(00:54):
that there was a surge that hit I think it
was the Chatham Islands. It was one point zero meters calculated.
That will affect our toddler Otto. He's two and a
half and he doesn't have a phone, So what are
you going to do about him?
Speaker 1 (01:06):
We're going to give him a surfboard. What do you say,
I mean, I mean, was it overboard? You know, was
it excessive.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
I don't entirely agree with Tim on this. I think
it comes down to what is reasonable. And I'm not
a an expert in the area of how far an
eight point to earthquake can travel. I don't think anyone
is because we have so few of them, and I
think that's the issue. You know, it's one of the
largest we've ever seen. We're now seeing it rebound off
South America. I understand, so they took a precautionary approach,
(01:35):
and I think that's reasonable. I think the issue is
the number of alerts. And I have to say, as
you mentioned, Andrew, the communication is not great. I do
think mister Price needs some communication training to be frank. Look,
he's he's had a leading role in police responses to emergencies,
including the earthquakes here in christ Church, the Port Hills fires,
(01:56):
the terrorist attacks as well, so he knows his stuff.
But let's have someone who can be succinct, clear and
direct when they're talking to us. And I think if
we can get that sorted, it will help the credibility.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Andrew, I know, just the person who can help. Ellie
Jones read pr right.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
That was not an ad that is so good.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
We're going to talk about Navy people drinking, in fact,
all the defense forces drinking. Right after the break. This
is the huddle with Ali Jones and Tim Wilson.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty. The ones
for Unmashed results.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
From the text ninety two ninety two small charge of
plays after that interview, I have no faith in the
head of our Civil Defense John Price. It was that bad, yes,
And don't worry. There's just as many texts saying that
I was rude and arrogant because they got frustrated at
his lack of answers. But there we go. We're in
the huddle. We've got Allie Jones and Tim Wilson. And
the next issue, ladies and gentlemen, is the Chief of
Navy has ordered keep we say is to stop drinking.
(02:51):
Irresponsibly saying that they're drinking is undermining the professionalism and
the reputation of the Navy and the Defense Force. And
I think it's got to a very bad state when
Ali the rare admal has to do in order to
stop drinking rather than putting in support services to stop
people from drinking.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
I don't think you can assume what to what point
it's got Andrew. I think that actually getting in before
it gets to that point is the smart thing to do.
And I think they could be front footing this before
it gets to that point. I say, well, into them.
I heard what Judith Collins said, and I agree with her,
because you know, putting something out like this, they know
(03:29):
it's going to be a new story. They know it's
going to put the spotlight on them, and that people
will be looking for incidents now to show what you've
just said that it's got to a really bad point.
So you know, they have footed this knowing that they
could be throwing themselves open to really close scrutiny. But
just one thing that's really important about this is this
should highlight the wider societal issue with alcohol. You know,
(03:53):
we hear this a lot sometimes, you know, pregnant women
warn not to drink the effects of fetal alcohol syndrome
and so forth. This is a bigger societal issue and
I want that talked about more rather than just you know,
about the navy here.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
And this is true. And also Tim, this is the thing,
We've got twelve thousand people in the defense Force. We
asked them to a job that most people wouldn't have
the guts or the rules to do in the first place.
And yes, there's a lot of drinking, and yes there
is a lot of sexual abuse, and there's a lot
of violence. So there's a lot of shenanigans going on.
But it's important to control these things within a force,
to keep the discipline.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yeah, yeah, and that's I think that's this is the typical.
This is the way that a Navy would respond to something.
They first give an order, and as Wayne Map said,
I think that order is the beginning of a process.
I just observed that there seems to be a cluster
of bad behavior. So I don't know if the drinking
is a cause or a symptom, but I will note
that there is no drinking allowed while at sea or anchored.
(04:49):
These are on shore issues. And historically, actually we're quite boozy.
I looked it up. He was the last Navy in
the world to stop a daily tot of rum and
that was stopped on the twenty eight to February nineteen ninety.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
And the problem is with how forces have mad Mondays
when they come ashore in Singapore and they go, look
at that, we're off the ship. What are we going
to do now? You know? But I can tell you
that it's a big problem in many areas because I
hear the cannons going off whenever the court martials are
happening at the Devenport Naval Base, and it happens an
awful lot. There's an awful lot of offending within the Navy,
and it's based on drink, and it's based on sexual
(05:23):
abuse and all sorts of things. And I know there's
already sexual abuse support agencies within the Defense Force, and
I just wondered whether they've actually got on top of
drinking earlier. But yeah, they've done the order, so there
is a good thing. So Allie, the leader of Gloria
Vale is officially a sex offender. Is it time to
close that place down?
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (05:40):
God?
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Yes, did you see Brian Henry last night? Outstanding? I
have to lay it on the table here. I've worked
for the last three years with the lawyers and Brian
and the team supporting the leavers, doing it pro bow,
no no payment or anything. I just want to help
them out. And you know, I texted Brian last night
after I saw that on the news. He was bristling.
I have never seen him that angry in the three
(06:01):
years i've worked with them. This is a sex cult
and that's something that Brian and the team have been
saying for ages.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Now.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
This was operating under Cindra Dune's government. Now they made
huge efforts in that government to address overseas slavery, protect children,
and here we've got it going on on the west
coast of New Zealand.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Oh oh, we'll see Ali, Ali, hold on, you're coming
and going, You're coming, and I'm cutting out?
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Are there now?
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Am I there?
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Now?
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Yeah, So what they should have closed it down, But
what they need to do is put supports in place.
There are people in there who have been in there
from the day they were born, and their parents as well.
It's generational now, so they've got to close it down,
but they have to do it carefully and put the
supports around it.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Tim.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yeah, look, I've gone back and fall on this. I
agree with Ali, But then I think, okay, so they're
closing it down. What does shutting Gloria Veil down actually
look like? Does it mean taking the land doesn't mean
driving a tank through the front of the place that
starts to trammelf some really big freedoms, freedom of association,
freedom of religion, property rights, all of that stuff. Now
(07:10):
when the last.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Battle, it also means, you know, liberating people who have
been enslaved from childhood.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
And the sex abuse, the slavery stops.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
I get that. In Gloria, Veil has been subject to
the law. There was you know, from August twenty twenty two,
twenty twenty two mb Orrang Samariki, MSD, et cetera, where
getting reports out of glory of Veil. That stopped in
December twenty twenty three. I would say, get that happening again.
But I think it's a bad precedent. Yes, it's a
place with some real problems, and there are real victims,
(07:42):
but I don't think shutting it down will solve that.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
I don't think they shouldn't be getting any more chances
when they stopped that reporting back at that at the
end of twenty did you say twenty three time? I
couldn't remember where twenty twenty three happened. Twenty Yeah. I
mean there is enough that has gone on here. This
is not the first sexual sort of predator that we've
seen in that place. The school doesn't operate because they
can't teach them. The women are told what to think
(08:07):
and what to do. I mean, just look at the documentary.
I cannot believe. I still say I cannot believe that
this is still going on in New Zealand. They need
to close it down, and they need to close it down.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Now. I'm with you. I'm with you totally as well. Alie.
I've seen evidence and evidence and bits on the TV.
I've seen it all the time, and I've seen the
horror that people have seen this, and you've explained it well,
You're right, Brian explained it well last night. And so yeah,
i'd say it's about time, and I'd like to thank
both of you because time is up on the huddle
for Allie Jones and Tim Wilson and this is News
Talks EBB.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, Listen live to
News talkszb from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio
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