October 30, 2025 • 9 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, broadcaster Mark Sainsbury and Kiwiblog writer and Curia pollster David Farrar joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
National's Andrew Bayly has revealed why he resigned in February and attempted to clear up the situation with ZB's Barry Soper earlier today. What do we make of all this?
Luxon and Trump had their first big face-to-face meeting today - how do we think it all went? The chat was about hair and golf, did we expect more?
Is it okay for Chris Hipkins to take shots at Chris Luxon's wealth? Was that a low blow?
Parents are struggling to get their babies vaccinated against measles and the Ministry of Health can't explain why they're making it so hard. Is this unreasonable?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Nineteen away from six.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Find You're
one of a kind.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
I'm the Huddle this evening we have Mark Sainsbury, broadcaster,
David Farraki we blog and Curio Polster. Hell are you two?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Hello? How are you hear?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
That says? Are you ever in your time as a
political letters who a political report has seen anybody try
to clear their name?
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Well?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
You see people, No, not very successfully. This is a
really odd one. I mean, when I heard given Barry
and Barry break the story and it was who are
the people are in the meetings? What I'm going to know?
Speaker 1 (00:33):
So the people in the meeting are the one he
lays the hand on in what he says was an
enthusiastic conversation, not sin of an assault. And then there
are two others who are also staffers who are there.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
But the.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
It suggested that the staffer who has raised the concern
as a staffer who's been there for about twenty four
hours in the office and then has has gone back
to the department or who knows who and said something's happened.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
I mean, David, I don't know what you think that
just this, the whole thing seems a bit bonkers.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
Yeah, well, you have to think Bailey's been pretty hard
done by. If you took away the politics for a sec,
if this was an employment relations dispute, the employment tribunal
would be saying this was a terrible process, there wasn't
natural justice, etc. Now politics doesn't quite work like that,
but it was definitely material about whether this is one
(01:28):
person's view or three person's view. So I do think
Bailey it sounds like, has been hard done by. I
don't think this means there's a pass back, though, because
I think time moves on, there's new MPs wanting to
move up the letter, so to speak. But as you said,
good on him for actually saying I care about my reputation.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
This matters to me.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah, I mean there is some courage that is required
to do this. Do you think saying so that the
PM's office is going to be stoked about this?
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Though?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Probably not. Only The thing I couldn't help but think
was that, you know, they obviously didn't do a lot
of due diligence on this. They were almost sort of
maybe happy to let him go because you had the loser,
which didn't do too well. So I think there was
sort of you know, no one's looking too care fait this,
So here we go. We've got another problem. Oh he's resigning,
Thank god to that.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yeah, probably a little bit of that. Hey listen, David
Prime Minister did well with with Donald Trump, didn't he.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
Look as as good as an outcome as you can
get based on the best outcome from me with President
Trump is he doesn't suddenly impose an extra fifty percent
tariff on you.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
But we've done. Think Canada, where he got offended.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
The provincial governor was running an add quoting Ronald greg
against tariffs, and that caused Trump to stop all the
negotiations between the countries. So basically the thing with Trump,
he's transactional.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
You go and you talk golf, you talk to New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
You don't actually try and get anything out of him.
You really just building that relationship.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Do you much of a golf of Saint Zone?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
No? No, no, So.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
No opinions on where they should go golfing when Donald Trump.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
No, not on that.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
I speed the one who get the cup for the
most golf in any of those sort of media things
when we probably woul't it much staked to play anyway.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Fair enough, all right, we'll take a break and come
back to you guys, and just to take.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the global
leader in luxury real estate.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Yeah, back with the huddle, David Pharaoh, Mark Sainsbury. David
is Chris Luxen's wealth fair game. In a debate about
capital gains tax.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
It's a cheap tech take.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
I mean like it's not the first one to do it,
where you know, a fishy. Politicians who are wealthy always
been accused of, oh, you're doing.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
It just because of how it fits you, which.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
They used it to John Key, and it was ridiculous
because yeah, John Key's will hide whether it's fifty or
one hundred million dollars.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
And I don't think he ever.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Did policy based on how it would effect come because
he doesn't have to have to care.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
So I think it's a low blow. But it's what
you get in politics.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
What are your Reconcernso yeah, well.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Look pretty much the same look. I mean, it was
a gift, wasn't it. You're releasing a capital gains text
and i'd seen that sort of seen that sale of
his beaks property. So you know what a prime minister
owns or ministers and it's all in the Register of
Bicinary Interest, so it's public knowledge and you know the
day the days are gone where you you know, you
(04:33):
didn't even know whether people had a family, you know,
when you're a politician, it's all out there. So yeah,
look and yeah there's a bit low rent, but fair game.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah it's low rent. But it's effective, isn't it, David.
I mean it's the most effective thing that the Labor
Party has done in the last two weeks.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Yeah, lock lock, These things can work. Been said that
my experience as Aupholster, when you go too aggressive as
an opposition, yes you damage the government, but you actually
damage your own standing and favorable He is not positionally
the too, So you have to be careful about this
stuff because it may be effective, but people don't like
(05:10):
it and it can rub off on you. I've seen
that quite a lot over the years. Here's the irony artisfict.
I have no inside knowledge here. I've felt lux and
it's been silly his houses just because he doesn't want
them as a distraction going forward, so that ironically it
was him getting rid of them, so they wouldn't be
an issue. That's allowed labor to make them an issue.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Yeah, well, I mean that's exactly right. I don't think
there's anyways.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
If you've got your money and shares or managed funds
houses though you all how anyone have more than two houses?
Speaker 1 (05:43):
No, totally. It's the butter thing all over again. Rates
went up by more, but we're fixated on the price
of butter. Okay, now saying so, I don't know that
the public health guys are doing a very good job
of explaining to wild parents why they can't jab the
kids early.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Look, I couldn't understand you put it to a so clearly.
Just explain is the reason you've got no money? Is
it dangerous? What is the reason for not making it available?
And it's a bit like Chris Luxon with Mike when
talking about Bailey, you know, you just it was just
all over the place, and yes, everything we most of us.
I'm sure I believe that the vaccines are valuable and
(06:18):
they should be encouraged. Yes, that's a great message, but
mums know best. And if you're a mum and there
is you know, measles developing around you, let the mum
decide what's best for her child, just like the doctor did.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yeah, well, I feel a little bit like this. I mean,
and the thing about this, David that is kind of
counter and seems to be just a little counterintuitive, is
that we've been told by these guys you need to
get jabbing is really important, especially in the phase of
you know, the COVID hesitancy and stuff like that, and
now to be told when we're all like can we
jab and I'm like no, it's a bit weird.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Isn't it.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
It's still have a typical bureaucracy, like you have the schedule,
it's all worked out, and it's all based on you know,
generally of things, but doesn't take account of when you're
the measle outbreak.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
People get scared if they want to get them six
months early.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
It shouldn't end up costing the country more because you
have got her eventually. I mean, there are no arguments
against which is who the immunity should work. So unless
you're in an area with multiple cases, they just aren't
going to be enough people for it to spread.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
But you know, peace of mind. I'm a parent.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
I don't want to take risks with my kids. So
you do need to be bureaucracy to show that flexibility.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Maybe a little bit of empathy actually would be the
thing that the doctor ordered. Now sayings, so, do you
know what six seven means?
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (07:39):
John, Then I have no idea what this means. Explain
it to me.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Well it is, well, I when I say I know
what it is, I've never used it in my life.
It's a it's a it's a sort of a well it's.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
What you yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, Passing
to David.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
Yeah, I don't know, David, I feel so old.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
I had to google.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
I saw I knew some of the stuff. The Ben
voice goes on about Rose secrets. I thought I knew,
but I've never heard of sixty seven.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
It's a year of my beer, so I thought it
was about that.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
No, it's never to be pronounced sixty seven. Apparently you can't.
If you say sixty seven, don't you have to yell
six seven and then hope you got the conceptn Yeah,
who knows? Okay, jeez, Okay, thanks guys, I appreciate it.
You've been really helpful there. That's Mark Sainsbury, David Farrer.
I was asking them that because dictionary dot Com has
revealed it as the word of the year sixty seven,
(08:34):
and they say, you're supposed to sort of yell it out.
It's supposed to be purposefully nonsensical and slightly absurd, and
the kids use it as another way of saying so
so or maybe this may be that. So if you're like,
how are you feeling, they go, oh, six seven, Yeah,
I suppose I can understand that.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
Nineteen away from six.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Find You're
one of a kind.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
I'm the Huddle this evening we have Mark Sainsbury, broadcaster,
David Farraki we blog and Curio Polster. Hell are you two?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Hello? How are you hear?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
That says? Are you ever in your time as a
political letters who a political report has seen anybody try
to clear their name?
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Well?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
You see people, No, not very successfully. This is a
really odd one. I mean, when I heard given Barry
and Barry break the story and it was who are
the people are in the meetings? What I'm going to know?
Speaker 1 (00:33):
So the people in the meeting are the one he
lays the hand on in what he says was an
enthusiastic conversation, not sin of an assault. And then there
are two others who are also staffers who are there.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
But the.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
It suggested that the staffer who has raised the concern
as a staffer who's been there for about twenty four
hours in the office and then has has gone back
to the department or who knows who and said something's happened.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
I mean, David, I don't know what you think that
just this, the whole thing seems a bit bonkers.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
Yeah, well, you have to think Bailey's been pretty hard
done by. If you took away the politics for a sec,
if this was an employment relations dispute, the employment tribunal
would be saying this was a terrible process, there wasn't
natural justice, etc. Now politics doesn't quite work like that,
but it was definitely material about whether this is one
(01:28):
person's view or three person's view. So I do think
Bailey it sounds like, has been hard done by. I
don't think this means there's a pass back, though, because
I think time moves on, there's new MPs wanting to
move up the letter, so to speak. But as you said,
good on him for actually saying I care about my reputation.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
This matters to me.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah, I mean there is some courage that is required
to do this. Do you think saying so that the
PM's office is going to be stoked about this?
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Though?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Probably not. Only The thing I couldn't help but think
was that, you know, they obviously didn't do a lot
of due diligence on this. They were almost sort of
maybe happy to let him go because you had the loser,
which didn't do too well. So I think there was
sort of you know, no one's looking too care fait this,
So here we go. We've got another problem. Oh he's resigning,
Thank god to that.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yeah, probably a little bit of that. Hey listen, David
Prime Minister did well with with Donald Trump, didn't he.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
Look as as good as an outcome as you can
get based on the best outcome from me with President
Trump is he doesn't suddenly impose an extra fifty percent
tariff on you.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
But we've done. Think Canada, where he got offended.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
The provincial governor was running an add quoting Ronald greg
against tariffs, and that caused Trump to stop all the
negotiations between the countries. So basically the thing with Trump,
he's transactional.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
You go and you talk golf, you talk to New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
You don't actually try and get anything out of him.
You really just building that relationship.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Do you much of a golf of Saint Zone?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
No? No, no, So.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
No opinions on where they should go golfing when Donald Trump.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
No, not on that.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
I speed the one who get the cup for the
most golf in any of those sort of media things
when we probably woul't it much staked to play anyway.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Fair enough, all right, we'll take a break and come
back to you guys, and just to take.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the global
leader in luxury real estate.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Yeah, back with the huddle, David Pharaoh, Mark Sainsbury. David
is Chris Luxen's wealth fair game. In a debate about
capital gains tax.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
It's a cheap tech take.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
I mean like it's not the first one to do it,
where you know, a fishy. Politicians who are wealthy always
been accused of, oh, you're doing.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
It just because of how it fits you, which.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
They used it to John Key, and it was ridiculous
because yeah, John Key's will hide whether it's fifty or
one hundred million dollars.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
And I don't think he ever.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Did policy based on how it would effect come because
he doesn't have to have to care.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
So I think it's a low blow. But it's what
you get in politics.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
What are your Reconcernso yeah, well.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Look pretty much the same look. I mean, it was
a gift, wasn't it. You're releasing a capital gains text
and i'd seen that sort of seen that sale of
his beaks property. So you know what a prime minister
owns or ministers and it's all in the Register of
Bicinary Interest, so it's public knowledge and you know the
day the days are gone where you you know, you
(04:33):
didn't even know whether people had a family, you know,
when you're a politician, it's all out there. So yeah,
look and yeah there's a bit low rent, but fair game.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah it's low rent. But it's effective, isn't it, David.
I mean it's the most effective thing that the Labor
Party has done in the last two weeks.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Yeah, lock lock, These things can work. Been said that
my experience as Aupholster, when you go too aggressive as
an opposition, yes you damage the government, but you actually
damage your own standing and favorable He is not positionally
the too, So you have to be careful about this
stuff because it may be effective, but people don't like
(05:10):
it and it can rub off on you. I've seen
that quite a lot over the years. Here's the irony artisfict.
I have no inside knowledge here. I've felt lux and
it's been silly his houses just because he doesn't want
them as a distraction going forward, so that ironically it
was him getting rid of them, so they wouldn't be
an issue. That's allowed labor to make them an issue.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Yeah, well, I mean that's exactly right. I don't think
there's anyways.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
If you've got your money and shares or managed funds
houses though you all how anyone have more than two houses?
Speaker 1 (05:43):
No, totally. It's the butter thing all over again. Rates
went up by more, but we're fixated on the price
of butter. Okay, now saying so, I don't know that
the public health guys are doing a very good job
of explaining to wild parents why they can't jab the
kids early.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Look, I couldn't understand you put it to a so clearly.
Just explain is the reason you've got no money? Is
it dangerous? What is the reason for not making it available?
And it's a bit like Chris Luxon with Mike when
talking about Bailey, you know, you just it was just
all over the place, and yes, everything we most of us.
I'm sure I believe that the vaccines are valuable and
(06:18):
they should be encouraged. Yes, that's a great message, but
mums know best. And if you're a mum and there
is you know, measles developing around you, let the mum
decide what's best for her child, just like the doctor did.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yeah, well, I feel a little bit like this. I mean,
and the thing about this, David that is kind of
counter and seems to be just a little counterintuitive, is
that we've been told by these guys you need to
get jabbing is really important, especially in the phase of
you know, the COVID hesitancy and stuff like that, and
now to be told when we're all like can we
jab and I'm like no, it's a bit weird.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Isn't it.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
It's still have a typical bureaucracy, like you have the schedule,
it's all worked out, and it's all based on you know,
generally of things, but doesn't take account of when you're
the measle outbreak.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
People get scared if they want to get them six
months early.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
It shouldn't end up costing the country more because you
have got her eventually. I mean, there are no arguments
against which is who the immunity should work. So unless
you're in an area with multiple cases, they just aren't
going to be enough people for it to spread.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
But you know, peace of mind. I'm a parent.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
I don't want to take risks with my kids. So
you do need to be bureaucracy to show that flexibility.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Maybe a little bit of empathy actually would be the
thing that the doctor ordered. Now sayings, so, do you
know what six seven means?
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (07:39):
John, Then I have no idea what this means. Explain
it to me.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Well it is, well, I when I say I know
what it is, I've never used it in my life.
It's a it's a it's a sort of a well it's.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
What you yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, Passing
to David.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
Yeah, I don't know, David, I feel so old.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
I had to google.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
I saw I knew some of the stuff. The Ben
voice goes on about Rose secrets. I thought I knew,
but I've never heard of sixty seven.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
It's a year of my beer, so I thought it
was about that.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
No, it's never to be pronounced sixty seven. Apparently you can't.
If you say sixty seven, don't you have to yell
six seven and then hope you got the conceptn Yeah,
who knows? Okay, jeez, Okay, thanks guys, I appreciate it.
You've been really helpful there. That's Mark Sainsbury, David Farrer.
I was asking them that because dictionary dot Com has
revealed it as the word of the year sixty seven,
(08:34):
and they say, you're supposed to sort of yell it out.
It's supposed to be purposefully nonsensical and slightly absurd, and
the kids use it as another way of saying so
so or maybe this may be that. So if you're like,
how are you feeling, they go, oh, six seven, Yeah,
I suppose I can understand that.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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