April 28, 2025 • 9 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Trish Sherson and Sherson Willis PR and Child Fund CEO Josie Pagani joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
How do we feel about councils taking unpaid rates out of people's mortgages? Is this a fair move - or an over-reach?
Police are investigating after three recruits were admitted for training despite failing their physical test. Do we think police should still pass a physical test - or is this irrelevant?
How do we feel about tradies being able to self-certify their work?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Twenty away from six the Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's
(00:04):
International Realty achieve extraordinary results with unparallel reach.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Joseph Agani of Child found In, Tris Sharson of Sheerson
Willis Parras with us. How are you two, hello, Tris?
Did you know about the rainbow machine?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
I didn't know about the rainbow machine, and I'm obviously
outraged about that. But also I didn't know about this
clause in the local government legislation that that meant, you know,
councils can go off to your bank and try and
recover rates on the mortgage. It's a pretty it's a
pretty full on step for organization an organization to be
(00:38):
able to take. And I'm not sure of anyone else.
Josie might know, but I can't think of any other
organization that's able to do that, to reach and via
your lender. I guess for me, I'm a bit like
you here that I'm conflicted on it. But I also
think that the big issue here is affordability of rates.
(00:59):
And you know, as per your previous interview, e, the
rates rises that people are facing with no prospect of
or understanding of where they're actually going to cap out.
That's the real worry here. So you not only can
counsels reacn and you know, put this on your mortgage
(01:21):
if you haven't paid, but also into the future. You know,
there is real concern that if someone doesn't get local
government roots under control, you know, they are going to
become completely unaffordable for a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, what do you make of it, Josie.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
I'm not conflicted. I actually think this is really good.
And as a rate payer, as you both just said,
I pay my rates, I get bugger all for it,
no rubbish collection. I don't even have a pavement to
walk on outside my house. I don't even have potholes
to complain about. But you know, I pay my rates.
So I think if you've got counsel waste, if you've
got them spending money on rainbow machines, and as up
(01:58):
here in Compardy there's an awful piece of artwork that
the council stopped funding. Good on them and then there
was a petition for the community to keep funding it
and it's just like just take it down, we don't
want it. So I don't mind about this, but I
do think that there should be processes around it, and
there are so as far as I understand, the council
(02:18):
goes through a whole bunch of things where if you're
struggling to pay, they give you time, they help you
with the payment plan.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
If you're doing it.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
As a protest because you think the council is wasting money,
well just wait to vote the guys out. Wait to
vote the council out. So there are mechanisms for that,
and you know, and then they have to apply for
it a year in advance, so they have to give
a year's notice and then they can take the money
if you're not paying, and they should do because if
they if people don't pay, then then everybody else has
(02:46):
got to pay more.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Josie, So who's your mayor?
Speaker 3 (02:49):
By the way, I'm up in company, and it is.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
You. Might I do it still, I've heard about it. Yeah,
oh god, Laura, google it, save me google it.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
There's Janet Janet, Janet.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Jill Holbrook, Janet Holbrook, thanks Olbrah Yes.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
No, yeah, it's Janet Smith, Josie.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
No, I'm just making Janet Smith.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I'm just making up names to see just how bad you.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Are, Joseph Janet.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Okay, so let's say, Janet, the mayor decides that she
is going to increase your rates by three thousand dollars
a quarter from next quarter. Are you going to be
chill with her and be like, yeah, okay, that's fair enough.
We're all paying it, so we'll just keep paying it.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
No, I'm going to vote her out and anybody else
who agrees with her and get.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
But I mean, and this is fundamentally the problem. That
isn't it trish that the next body get in you
can't really like, does anybody have any confidence that they're
going to be different because you've still got the same
bro sitting in the council.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
We don't, and we still have the absolute lack of
of fiscal discipline to realize that, you know, they just
can't keep spending and taxing homeowners through rates like they are.
And that is a fantastic stat to come back to.
So the fact that rates now with insurance are one
(04:14):
of the greatest domestic drivers of the cost of living
or really inflation in New Zealand. And again, you know,
governments all focused on private businesses and hammering them over
rising price in competition, but these rates rises, they not
only go across private homeowners, but they are a major
contributor to the increasing costs of running a business in
(04:37):
New Zealand, so they have to be bought under.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
They really really do. Guys, will take a break, thanks
so much, Just stay with.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Us the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the
ones with worldwide connections that perform not a promise.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Right, Josie, how do you feel about the police waiving
three of those people into the police college even though
they didn't meet the fitness test.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
So I Co'm struggling to see what the big panic
about this is. And also I want to say, well,
and I'm sounding a bit flinty tonight, no, but what
the hell is Labour's political game here? Like they're careful
not to comment on everything, they don't bark at every car,
and then suddenly suddenly this is the most devastating critique
(05:17):
of the government you can make that three trainee cops
got through.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
That, Okay, So is it possible that the reason they're
jumping on it now in April is because they know,
like anybody with half a brain, that on November twenty seven,
the government is not going to meet that target. So
if they start hopping on about it. Now they can
say I told you so in November and we will
know that they did tell us so, and it's egg
on the government's face.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Yes, but what they're actually doing, and I think that's right.
I think the critique about the five hundred new cops
by twenty twenty seven is really unrealistic and the government's
going to have to face that. But what Labour's targeting
here is, oh, Mark Mitchell, Minister, police is putting pressure
on operations and cops to you know, get them through
the course quickly without doing the physical blah blah blah.
(06:04):
And I'm thinking, so what is your alternative? Guys? Are
you saying that we shouldn't be recruiting more police althore
you saying that we should have that there's some massive
political pressure coming on here, or that there's you know,
or that we should just pay police more and then
we get more there, Well, where's the money going to
come from? I mean, it just feels like this is
(06:24):
the most devastating critique they can come up with the
National Coalition government. Come on, guys, get your shipped together.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
What do you reckon?
Speaker 3 (06:32):
True? Well, I just thought extremely rich coming from Labor.
I mean, this is an This is a party who
throughout their last six year term in office repeatedly dropped standards.
They dropped standards in the police, they dropped standards across
everything else. They didn't want measurements on anything so rich.
(06:54):
Now to be coming and having a go at supposedly
an absolutely storm and a key cup in my view.
And the police. I mean I heard Mark Mitchell this morning.
He was very clear he thinks these standards are should
absolutely be in place. Had nothing to do with it.
He's actually an ex cop so knows what he's talking about.
And to be honest, I just think it makes Labour
(07:16):
look a little bit silly, and you know they actually
don't know where to aim their gun on this.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Can I just say one thing, Heather, I think because
I think you know this criminals coming out of jail
who've spent the last five to ten years doing nothing
but go to the gym and buffing up. So I
do actually want our cops to do a physical training
because I think it protects them and it protects us.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Well.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah, but Josie, I mean nowadays, right see, I'm not
that stressed out about it because nowadays a lot of it,
and the crews around in their cop cars just making
us feel safe. Like some of them are definitely just
you know, performative. So the performative ones don't have to
do the fitness test, do they.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Well, I think most of the cops I see on
the beat are absolutely ripped, and I often think that
as men and women, I often thinks, right, how it's like,
it's well, it's like, yeah, well, it's like looking at
the all black seat safety looking at the cops. Well,
in a safety conscious vein, I might add, are you
(08:17):
up to the task of protecting the community. But I
often think it's like looking at the all blacks now
compared to twenty five years ago, they are far more
sort of built and physical because that's what the job requires.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yep, fair enough, Hey, very very quickly, how do you
feel trish about the build of self certifying?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Absolutely fantastic. I mean, talk to anyone in New Zealand
trying to build anything and the red tape and trying
to get people to come and certify. Sometimes five or
six times building inspectors have to come. It's an absolute
joke and it's costing people hundreds of thousands of dollars.
So I think this is fantastic.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Josie, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
I mean both the left and the right have to
focus on getting stuff done, getting stuff built, and as
a movement away from thinking about small government, big government
left right and just thinking about abundance in building getting
stuff done. I think this is really really good. And
look at there's one example where in California they have
followed every process, in every consent process to get a
(09:16):
Californian high speed rail. They have yet to get a train.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Hey guys, thank you very much, really appreciate. It's Josephagani
our CEO of Child Fund, and Truschess and Shesson, Willis
Parra huddle this evening.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
Twenty away from six the Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's
(00:04):
International Realty achieve extraordinary results with unparallel reach.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Joseph Agani of Child found In, Tris Sharson of Sheerson
Willis Parras with us. How are you two, hello, Tris?
Did you know about the rainbow machine?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
I didn't know about the rainbow machine, and I'm obviously
outraged about that. But also I didn't know about this
clause in the local government legislation that that meant, you know,
councils can go off to your bank and try and
recover rates on the mortgage. It's a pretty it's a
pretty full on step for organization an organization to be
(00:38):
able to take. And I'm not sure of anyone else.
Josie might know, but I can't think of any other
organization that's able to do that, to reach and via
your lender. I guess for me, I'm a bit like
you here that I'm conflicted on it. But I also
think that the big issue here is affordability of rates.
(00:59):
And you know, as per your previous interview, e, the
rates rises that people are facing with no prospect of
or understanding of where they're actually going to cap out.
That's the real worry here. So you not only can
counsels reacn and you know, put this on your mortgage
(01:21):
if you haven't paid, but also into the future. You know,
there is real concern that if someone doesn't get local
government roots under control, you know, they are going to
become completely unaffordable for a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, what do you make of it, Josie.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
I'm not conflicted. I actually think this is really good.
And as a rate payer, as you both just said,
I pay my rates, I get bugger all for it,
no rubbish collection. I don't even have a pavement to
walk on outside my house. I don't even have potholes
to complain about. But you know, I pay my rates.
So I think if you've got counsel waste, if you've
got them spending money on rainbow machines, and as up
(01:58):
here in Compardy there's an awful piece of artwork that
the council stopped funding. Good on them and then there
was a petition for the community to keep funding it
and it's just like just take it down, we don't
want it. So I don't mind about this, but I
do think that there should be processes around it, and
there are so as far as I understand, the council
(02:18):
goes through a whole bunch of things where if you're
struggling to pay, they give you time, they help you
with the payment plan.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
If you're doing it.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
As a protest because you think the council is wasting money,
well just wait to vote the guys out. Wait to
vote the council out. So there are mechanisms for that,
and you know, and then they have to apply for
it a year in advance, so they have to give
a year's notice and then they can take the money
if you're not paying, and they should do because if
they if people don't pay, then then everybody else has
(02:46):
got to pay more.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Josie, So who's your mayor?
Speaker 3 (02:49):
By the way, I'm up in company, and it is.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
You. Might I do it still, I've heard about it. Yeah,
oh god, Laura, google it, save me google it.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
There's Janet Janet, Janet.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Jill Holbrook, Janet Holbrook, thanks Olbrah Yes.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
No, yeah, it's Janet Smith, Josie.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
No, I'm just making Janet Smith.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I'm just making up names to see just how bad you.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Are, Joseph Janet.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Okay, so let's say, Janet, the mayor decides that she
is going to increase your rates by three thousand dollars
a quarter from next quarter. Are you going to be
chill with her and be like, yeah, okay, that's fair enough.
We're all paying it, so we'll just keep paying it.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
No, I'm going to vote her out and anybody else
who agrees with her and get.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
But I mean, and this is fundamentally the problem. That
isn't it trish that the next body get in you
can't really like, does anybody have any confidence that they're
going to be different because you've still got the same
bro sitting in the council.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
We don't, and we still have the absolute lack of
of fiscal discipline to realize that, you know, they just
can't keep spending and taxing homeowners through rates like they are.
And that is a fantastic stat to come back to.
So the fact that rates now with insurance are one
(04:14):
of the greatest domestic drivers of the cost of living
or really inflation in New Zealand. And again, you know,
governments all focused on private businesses and hammering them over
rising price in competition, but these rates rises, they not
only go across private homeowners, but they are a major
contributor to the increasing costs of running a business in
(04:37):
New Zealand, so they have to be bought under.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
They really really do. Guys, will take a break, thanks
so much, Just stay with.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Us the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the
ones with worldwide connections that perform not a promise.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Right, Josie, how do you feel about the police waiving
three of those people into the police college even though
they didn't meet the fitness test.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
So I Co'm struggling to see what the big panic
about this is. And also I want to say, well,
and I'm sounding a bit flinty tonight, no, but what
the hell is Labour's political game here? Like they're careful
not to comment on everything, they don't bark at every car,
and then suddenly suddenly this is the most devastating critique
(05:17):
of the government you can make that three trainee cops
got through.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
That, Okay, So is it possible that the reason they're
jumping on it now in April is because they know,
like anybody with half a brain, that on November twenty seven,
the government is not going to meet that target. So
if they start hopping on about it. Now they can
say I told you so in November and we will
know that they did tell us so, and it's egg
on the government's face.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Yes, but what they're actually doing, and I think that's right.
I think the critique about the five hundred new cops
by twenty twenty seven is really unrealistic and the government's
going to have to face that. But what Labour's targeting
here is, oh, Mark Mitchell, Minister, police is putting pressure
on operations and cops to you know, get them through
the course quickly without doing the physical blah blah blah.
(06:04):
And I'm thinking, so what is your alternative? Guys? Are
you saying that we shouldn't be recruiting more police althore
you saying that we should have that there's some massive
political pressure coming on here, or that there's you know,
or that we should just pay police more and then
we get more there, Well, where's the money going to
come from? I mean, it just feels like this is
(06:24):
the most devastating critique they can come up with the
National Coalition government. Come on, guys, get your shipped together.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
What do you reckon?
Speaker 3 (06:32):
True? Well, I just thought extremely rich coming from Labor.
I mean, this is an This is a party who
throughout their last six year term in office repeatedly dropped standards.
They dropped standards in the police, they dropped standards across
everything else. They didn't want measurements on anything so rich.
(06:54):
Now to be coming and having a go at supposedly
an absolutely storm and a key cup in my view.
And the police. I mean I heard Mark Mitchell this morning.
He was very clear he thinks these standards are should
absolutely be in place. Had nothing to do with it.
He's actually an ex cop so knows what he's talking about.
And to be honest, I just think it makes Labour
(07:16):
look a little bit silly, and you know they actually
don't know where to aim their gun on this.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Can I just say one thing, Heather, I think because
I think you know this criminals coming out of jail
who've spent the last five to ten years doing nothing
but go to the gym and buffing up. So I
do actually want our cops to do a physical training
because I think it protects them and it protects us.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Well.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah, but Josie, I mean nowadays, right see, I'm not
that stressed out about it because nowadays a lot of it,
and the crews around in their cop cars just making
us feel safe. Like some of them are definitely just
you know, performative. So the performative ones don't have to
do the fitness test, do they.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Well, I think most of the cops I see on
the beat are absolutely ripped, and I often think that
as men and women, I often thinks, right, how it's like,
it's well, it's like, yeah, well, it's like looking at
the all black seat safety looking at the cops. Well,
in a safety conscious vein, I might add, are you
(08:17):
up to the task of protecting the community. But I
often think it's like looking at the all blacks now
compared to twenty five years ago, they are far more
sort of built and physical because that's what the job requires.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yep, fair enough, Hey, very very quickly, how do you
feel trish about the build of self certifying?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Absolutely fantastic. I mean, talk to anyone in New Zealand
trying to build anything and the red tape and trying
to get people to come and certify. Sometimes five or
six times building inspectors have to come. It's an absolute
joke and it's costing people hundreds of thousands of dollars.
So I think this is fantastic.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Josie, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
I mean both the left and the right have to
focus on getting stuff done, getting stuff built, and as
a movement away from thinking about small government, big government
left right and just thinking about abundance in building getting
stuff done. I think this is really really good. And
look at there's one example where in California they have
followed every process, in every consent process to get a
(09:16):
Californian high speed rail. They have yet to get a train.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Hey guys, thank you very much, really appreciate. It's Josephagani
our CEO of Child Fund, and Truschess and Shesson, Willis
Parra huddle this evening.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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