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July 30, 2025 • 9 mins

Tonight on The Huddle, journalist Clare de Lore and Jack Tame from ZB's Saturday Mornings and Q&A joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!

The UK is threatening Israel with recognising the state of Palestine if it doesn't agree to a ceasefire deal in Gaza. Is this a terrible bargaining chip - or you do what you've got to do?

Australia wants to ban under-16s from using YouTube off the back of their social media ban for teenagers. Do we think this is a good idea?

Netball NZ has just signed a new broadcasting deal with TVNZ - will this help netball turn its viewership around?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, Unique Homes,
Uniquely for you on the.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Huddle of Us is Evening, Clear Delord journalists and Jack Taime,
host of Q and A and Saturday mornings on News Talks,
there be Hello you.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
Too, Hollo, you too, Claire.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Do you also find this odd to be threatening Israel
with the state of Palestine?

Speaker 3 (00:19):
It is odd, and I honestly think care Starmer is
probably acting or talking mostly because of pressure from as
many unhappy backbenches rather than any particular point of anti
stated principle. He's got huge problems domestically with his caucus,
the forced back downs on things such as the welfare reforms,

(00:40):
and now there is renewed pressure from the very large
left faction that he has regards it. So. Yes, it
is shocking that we see babies, children, ordinary men and
women like us who are hungry, some of starving, and
yet there are these conditional threats. There's six weeks to
go or so until the General Assembly May, and in

(01:01):
that time more have more destruction, more death will be wrecked,
and it is hard to see where it's going to
be interrupted and stopped easily. Yeah, Letna who is getting
away with.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
It all the time, and as angry as Ntnya, as
angry as it's made Netna, who sound Jack, I hardly
think he's going to do anything because this.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
Is he well, I mean, it's my view that Netnya,
who's been acting in his own self interest basically since
October seven. I mean, and it was maybe the single
greatest security failure, certainly of most recent decades, for a
state which prides itself on security more than perhaps any
other in the world, when October seventh happened. And yet

(01:43):
you know, I think there can be very little moral justification,
he knows, strategic justification whatsoever for continuing the war as
long as they have, and certainly to the extent of
the kind of horror that we've seen in the last
few weeks. I mean, you know, I don't think there
can be many right thinking people in the world who

(02:03):
have seen the images out of Gaza in the last
few weeks who haven't been utterly appalled. And you know,
it's interesting, clear raise is a good point. I think
it's really interesting watching, you know, lots of Western countries
try and respond to this, because I think there are
kind of two forces at play. The first is that
over the last were approaching two years, very little international

(02:25):
pressure seems to have had an effect on Israel's actions.
And obviously the US is more or less supported than
right at the beginning of this war and have continued
to ship them arms and all that kind of thing.
But number two, I think politicians like Kia Starma are
increasingly concerned about the domestic impact of the relative lack
of response up until this point, and they're looking at

(02:48):
their constituents, They're looking at their voss who say, hang on,
why isn't my government standing up more forcefully and that's
why he's acting.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah, that's probably bad. Now, Claire is YouTube social media?

Speaker 3 (03:01):
Look, I don't know. I guess it is sort of.
But if your point is how do you stop children
from seeing it? I'm not sure. Because they have older brothers, sisters.
For example, I can turn on the television and access
YouTube for easily. Have you stopped children doing that? And
if very easily and without any effort able to access pornography?

(03:25):
The algorithm of whoever is mostly using YouTube and their
home has.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
Brought that in.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
So I think there is a heck of a pressure
now needed to be put on parents to know what
their kids are doing, to control what they themselves on
easily accessible devices.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Yeah, totally. Actually I want Jack, I want your take
on it. We'll get it after the break.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
The huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty, the ones
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Speaker 2 (03:52):
Results back with the huddle, clear the law and Jack
Tame Jack. I'm probably it is up to the parents
day because you can watch YouTube without an account, so
you can't the kids.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
Yeah, you can, although you can imagine there might be
some sort of policy solution in which they try and
find a middle ground. Ultimately, obviously YouTube's kicking up a
bit of a fuss over this, whereby they say, okay,
maybe if you're under sixteen you can access verified shows.
We're not just going to give you random videos that
random YouTube users have posted online. But I think what's

(04:23):
extraordinary is if you step back a little bit, the
extent to which all of these so called social media platforms,
and I'll include YouTube, and it's just for the sake
of argument, So YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok are all just
becoming versions of each other. They are all basically just
platforms where you watch videos. The algorithms try and work

(04:43):
out what you like and keep you watching as long
as possible, and then feed you another video, and feed
you another video. It used to be that social media
gave you posts from your friends. Well, the vast majority
of stuff that we all see on social media these
days hasn't actually come from our friends. It's just videos
posted by whomever that are design to keep us keep
using it. I mean, yeah, yeah, I do. I find

(05:05):
it as addictive as anyone else. Absolutely, what do you
find it?

Speaker 2 (05:10):
What are you looking at?

Speaker 4 (05:12):
I'm just I'm whatever slop is fed up to me.
And I mean, so I love watching football videos, for example,
and so I just get like sensational Leo Messi goals
after sensational Leo Messi goals and updates about football transfer.
Now that might not be everyone's cup of tea, but
the algorithms worked out that I linger on those images
for longer than I do other things. But the point

(05:34):
is that when we started using this stuff, like I
would follow Heather, so I would get updates when here
the post is them. Heather might follow my mum and
so you get updates from my mum. But these days,
the vast majority of stuff that we all see on
these platforms' is just videos posted by whomever that's designed
to keep us watching for longer, which is a massive change.
So social media isn't actually social anymore. It's just me media.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yeah, it's a very fair point.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
And it's quite antisocial really, because you do get preoccupied.
A fee feeds into your appetite. It is like an
insatiable hunger for it. You mentioned your love of football
football that you said, Jack, I think at the moment
my one keeps coming up that we do not care
club set up by a woman who does little videos

(06:19):
about things that perimenopausal, menopausal post menopausal I cannot care
about anymore.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yes, actually I can think of it when I do
occasionally log onto Instagram, which is very rare nowadays. I
get said ones about parents, just like having a winge
about terrorist terrorist children.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
So I Instagram knew my wife was pregnant before she did.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yep, that'll probably be about right, because she'll be doing
weird things that they'll be like she's nesting. Hey, Claire,
do you watch Neple?

Speaker 3 (06:53):
I actually really like watching it live. I think it
is actually a harder watch on television of the well,
it's not so much that it's just that beyond court play,
it's quite hard to go up areal as you can
for some other sports, and unlike, for example, tennis, which
I absolutely love watching on television, tennis is just two

(07:15):
players back and forth. With rugby, you know you can,
you can pull all the way out and sort of
see what's happening on the field. It's quite hard on
a smaller network course, But that wasn't justify not trying
to build nets ball up. Netball has got a big
following at the moment, it's in a real chicken and
the egg kind of situation. But I do hope to

(07:36):
deal with TV and Z. It means that the cross
fertilization that TVs he does, for example seven Sharps is
basically promotes an awful lot of other TVNZAD product They
can they can harness all of that and hopefully, as
the Breakers did, was it the black Bolls or who
came in and sort of took and find them up

(07:57):
there up stepped up with money, hopefully they may sign
a savior who will get it in there with the
sponsorship and they can at least give it a really
good go.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
I think it's totally worthwhile. What do you reckon Whether
I'll go real fast? Yeah, I'll go real fast. I
think I really hope that this works out well. It's
great to see netbill are free to air. I do
think there are lots of causes behind netball's problems, but
I do think fundamentally it's a bit of a cautionary
tale in that as the world started turning to Instagram

(08:28):
and Netflix and YouTube the entertainment, netball went behind a paywall.
And for big sports that might be okay, but I
think for what are relatively minority sport, at least in
a global context, I think putting up any barriers to
having eyeballs watching your game is a really dangerous move.
And I wonder if a big part of their problems
they're experiencing today because of that decision a decade or

(08:50):
so ago.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Very interesting, Hey guys, thank you, really appreciate you. Yeah,
some very food for thought for me to really try
and nut out why I don't like the netball.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
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