July 14, 2025 • 10 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Trish Sherson from Sherson Willis PR and Child Fund CEO Josie Pagani joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
New data shows more young Kiwis are having issues finding work. Do we have any inspirational messages for young people looking for jobs? How can they get ahead?
Is the UN interfering with NZ's sovereignty?
Ray Chung has since apologised for his infamous email to Tory Whanau - but the council's Crown observer is raising issues with the Minister and the council's CEO is looking to investigate a possible code of conduct breach? What do we make of this?
Donald Trump is now mulling increasing the baseline tariff for everyone from 10 percent to 15-20 percent. Should we try to make the best of this?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, Unique Homes,
Uniquely for You.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Tris Jason Huson Willis pr with us tonight. Good evening, Trish,
Good evening. Ryan Josey BEGANI here too, see child fund.
Hey Josy, good to see it. Probably a long time
since you guys have had to apply for a job.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
That was a big pause.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
I'm getting to that middle aged stage of life where
if you do apply for a job you're immediately just
cast aside because you're too old.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
You're not there.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
No, I feel like I am.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
But you know when you did get your go for
your first jobs, you know, when you were younger, how
did you do it? Josie hustled?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
And I think if you look at kids today and
they are really struggling. I mean, my kids are all
going overseas, they're gone to Australia, get high wages, better jobs.
But I employ a lot of kids too, a lot
of young not kids, young adults in the early twenties.
And what I look for is is that is attitude, hustle,
you know, a real kind of drive, come in there
(01:03):
and go beyond your job description. Because all the other stuff,
you've got a twenty year old or twenty one year
old without experience. You can teach all of that, but
you can't teach that attitude and that kind of go
get hustle. And I've got one great young person at
the moment in my office, Louise. I'm thinking about you.
And it's great because she went to school with my son,
(01:25):
my youngest son, so I get to spy on his
Instagram every now and then the boss says, open my
son's Instagram. She's going to do it.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Trish. What about you? I mean, when you're hire, because
you've obviously got a business yourself. When you're hiring, what
is it that you're looking for? I mean, if young
people out there are serious about getting a job, and
it is a hard market, what puts you out ahead.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
I have had two incredible young women come to see
me this year to talk about that finishing undergrad degrees
or one was finishing a master's. And that's one of
the lovely things about to this agent stage in your
career is often people want to come and chat about
what to do. And I have to say, those two
(02:07):
young women completely blew me away, And I think if
our universities are turning out talent like that, you know,
businesses will want to hire these young people because what
they reminded me about, you know that great saying, always
hire people smarter than yourself. Not only did these women
turn up, they were incredibly polished, they were very engaging.
(02:28):
They spoke to things like resilience, like wanting to be
in the office because that's how you learn things and
get ahead. But also they talked about their skills at
being digital natives. So in a business like ours, if
you can turn up and you are already incredibly AI literate,
you can work across a range of range of software,
(02:53):
you are going to be a great hire for us.
And if you've got that personality. So I actually thought
it's you know, I was really heartened and quite inspired
by meeting those two.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Maybe to my question to Mark was actually a bit
of a stupid one. You know, maybe using chat, GPT
showing you can do stuff like that, it would actually
be an asset.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Well, I actually think we're at a tipping point where actually,
if you are not using AI, you're behind, rather than
as we sort of still tend to do, we titter
at people who are using AI like it's cheating, like
it's cheating. It is absolutely incredible and if it can
get you further and maybe get you an interview, then
you should be using it.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
And also, you know, you want to give these young
people permission to fail, permission to try things, you know,
And that's what I say to all of them. And
then they just they're trying heaps of stuff, whether it's
chat GPT, whether it's coming up with crazy ideas for
press releases or something, and you just think that that's fantastic.
So you've also got to create an environment where you
get the best at of young people.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Should we pull out of the un ray showing? And
Donald Trump all ahead on the panel with Josie began
to introdus him.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
With New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the ones for Unmatched.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Results, Josie b BEGANI and tricious and on the huddle,
and it is called it to six. Let's talk Ray Chung,
that's true. Where do we start?
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Well, let me just start by saying, and I'm certainly
not one to blow smoke up your backside, but if
anyone hasn't if anyone hasn't heard.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Just say he just said the other a while ago.
He was annoyed. It's like ripping my ninety and now
you're saying, blow smoke up his bum. It's getting very risque.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Well, I don't. I mean rip your nighty. That's common
parlance for anyone who's annoyed by something. But if you
haven't heard Ryan's interview with Ray Chung on Friday night,
go and have a listen to it, because it is
as as I found it, not only humorous but very astounding.
Number One, I was astounded Ray agreed to come on
and give an interview after what had happened. You cannot
(04:56):
dig yourself out of that hole, and I felt he
was really, you know, digging quite a lot deeper. I'm
not sure whether Ray realizes just how career limiting this
has been, and probably his chances of becoming the mayor are,
you know, I would say around zero right now. But
the third point is unfortunately for Wellington, which you know,
(05:20):
if I were a Wellingtonian, I think, for God's sake,
you can't even get water in my taps, and yet
this whole council just continually turns up as a clown show.
And you know, if my neighbor had told me some
story about his son's tempestuous sex on a Friday night.
(05:41):
I don't think I would go back to the office
and flick it around as an f YI, regardless of
who the person was involved. I mean, it just it's
just outrageous.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
But the thing about the Wellington City Council, who needs
Love Island when you've got Wellington City Council. I mean,
it's not just that Ray Chung sent this email and
these accusations against Tory Farno. It's that somebody linked that email.
I mean, the whole thing is just they are just
a sessp it. So what you need is an absolute
comprehensive clean out of that entire council because they're all
(06:14):
playing games. I mean, I'm sure there's some good people there,
but it's the whole lot is just guys go away.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Do you know? The other thing here is like good
luck Andrew Little, you know, because he's I mean that's
going to be his job, right, it's trying and bring
them all together.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Yeah, you think running the unions was hard, wait till
you get into this Love Island.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Well exactly. Donald Trump mulling increasing the baseline tariff so
we feel pretty good at the moment because we're on
ten percent. Everyone else is on ten percent. You know,
well that's the minimum, and we feel pretty good about that.
He's now talking maybe I'll do fifteen, maybe I'll do
twenty trish, do we take it seriously? And if we do,
do we worry about that? Well?
Speaker 4 (06:53):
I would actually hark back to Winston Peter's early advice
earlier in the year around this is not to panic.
The one thing that we know about Trump and these tariffs,
there is literally no economic theory behind it. There is
no valid formula for how these are being set up,
(07:14):
these numbers, so it's literally peanuts under a cup. So
until until we know what's going to happen, I think,
you know, don't panic is really the order of the day,
the one useful piece of news. And I saw it
in the in the analysis today. I think it was
Catherine Beard of Business New Zealand saying, remember it's that
(07:35):
it's our it's our tariff relative to others. That's really
the point here. So if we are at twenty five
percent and everyone else is at twenty five percent, or
others are higher than that, then that's okay for us.
It's not just that we're at twenty five percent, if
that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
The thing is it's never been a negotiation. It's always
been a shakedown. And until we realize that, okay, now
at ten percent, Now we're looking at twenty percent. And
when he was campaigning, he was threatening sixty percent, fifty
percent here it was just completely random, as you say, Trish.
But the point is it's just going to get worse,
and it's not going to go away when Trump goes
away either, because for some reason, America thinks that the
(08:16):
rest of the world is taking it for a ride
and sponging off it. So if we want to be
really savvy about this, we need to get really clever
at making sure thank god we joined the TPP CPTPP,
which is thirty six percent of the global economy, America
is about fifteen percent. We need to start really seriously
looking at we are with India, but trade with Southeast Asia,
(08:39):
trade with Canada, South Korea, all the countries that are
in the same situation as US, because this is not
going away.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
The interesting thing about it all is because you say,
you know, they've got this crazy idea that this will
get them out, but free trade hasn't treated everyone equally,
which is why we're in this position, right because NAFTA
came along, hollowed out a whole bunch of manufacturing troubles.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
And you do, you do, absolutely have to. That's the
problem with the anti globalization movement, right, They have a point,
and the point is that there were people left behind.
I mean, no one in I don't know Northland is saying, well,
you know, my wage has gone down, but thank god,
aggregate wages have gone up, you know. I mean, you're
personally affected if your factory or your meat works closes
(09:24):
in your town because people are buying cheaper stuff elsewhere
and they've relocated. Yeah, you're hurt. So the inability to
deal with the losers of globalization has set us up
for this situation. So it's it's you know, it's the
fault of the left as much as the right that
we haven't dealt with that.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
But that is also the trademark of the way Trump
makes these ridiculous announcements and policies. There's always a grain
of truth at the heart of it, right, and so
it's very easy for those who want to believe it
to go, yes, that's the right way to go. But
there is no doubt that these tariffs are absolutely a
shift away from the free trade world that we have
(10:02):
known and we've been building since the Second World War,
and we're going into a very worrying state of protection.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Is a great idea for a campaign. Let's start a
hashtags aluminium campaign. Start pronouncing aluminium our way, and anyone
who says aluminum, we're not going to trade with them,
they get an extra tax to take an aluminum text.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Hey, thanks guys, Triciusen and Jesse mcgarney on the Huddle tonight.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, Unique Homes,
Uniquely for You.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Tris Jason Huson Willis pr with us tonight. Good evening, Trish,
Good evening. Ryan Josey BEGANI here too, see child fund.
Hey Josy, good to see it. Probably a long time
since you guys have had to apply for a job.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
That was a big pause.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
I'm getting to that middle aged stage of life where
if you do apply for a job you're immediately just
cast aside because you're too old.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
You're not there.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
No, I feel like I am.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
But you know when you did get your go for
your first jobs, you know, when you were younger, how
did you do it? Josie hustled?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
And I think if you look at kids today and
they are really struggling. I mean, my kids are all
going overseas, they're gone to Australia, get high wages, better jobs.
But I employ a lot of kids too, a lot
of young not kids, young adults in the early twenties.
And what I look for is is that is attitude, hustle,
you know, a real kind of drive, come in there
(01:03):
and go beyond your job description. Because all the other stuff,
you've got a twenty year old or twenty one year
old without experience. You can teach all of that, but
you can't teach that attitude and that kind of go
get hustle. And I've got one great young person at
the moment in my office, Louise. I'm thinking about you.
And it's great because she went to school with my son,
(01:25):
my youngest son, so I get to spy on his
Instagram every now and then the boss says, open my
son's Instagram. She's going to do it.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Trish. What about you? I mean, when you're hire, because
you've obviously got a business yourself. When you're hiring, what
is it that you're looking for? I mean, if young
people out there are serious about getting a job, and
it is a hard market, what puts you out ahead.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
I have had two incredible young women come to see
me this year to talk about that finishing undergrad degrees
or one was finishing a master's. And that's one of
the lovely things about to this agent stage in your
career is often people want to come and chat about
what to do. And I have to say, those two
(02:07):
young women completely blew me away, And I think if
our universities are turning out talent like that, you know,
businesses will want to hire these young people because what
they reminded me about, you know that great saying, always
hire people smarter than yourself. Not only did these women
turn up, they were incredibly polished, they were very engaging.
(02:28):
They spoke to things like resilience, like wanting to be
in the office because that's how you learn things and
get ahead. But also they talked about their skills at
being digital natives. So in a business like ours, if
you can turn up and you are already incredibly AI literate,
you can work across a range of range of software,
(02:53):
you are going to be a great hire for us.
And if you've got that personality. So I actually thought
it's you know, I was really heartened and quite inspired
by meeting those two.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Maybe to my question to Mark was actually a bit
of a stupid one. You know, maybe using chat, GPT
showing you can do stuff like that, it would actually
be an asset.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Well, I actually think we're at a tipping point where actually,
if you are not using AI, you're behind, rather than
as we sort of still tend to do, we titter
at people who are using AI like it's cheating, like
it's cheating. It is absolutely incredible and if it can
get you further and maybe get you an interview, then
you should be using it.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
And also, you know, you want to give these young
people permission to fail, permission to try things, you know,
And that's what I say to all of them. And
then they just they're trying heaps of stuff, whether it's
chat GPT, whether it's coming up with crazy ideas for
press releases or something, and you just think that that's fantastic.
So you've also got to create an environment where you
get the best at of young people.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Should we pull out of the un ray showing? And
Donald Trump all ahead on the panel with Josie began
to introdus him.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
With New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the ones for Unmatched.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Results, Josie b BEGANI and tricious and on the huddle,
and it is called it to six. Let's talk Ray Chung,
that's true. Where do we start?
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Well, let me just start by saying, and I'm certainly
not one to blow smoke up your backside, but if
anyone hasn't if anyone hasn't heard.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Just say he just said the other a while ago.
He was annoyed. It's like ripping my ninety and now
you're saying, blow smoke up his bum. It's getting very risque.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Well, I don't. I mean rip your nighty. That's common
parlance for anyone who's annoyed by something. But if you
haven't heard Ryan's interview with Ray Chung on Friday night,
go and have a listen to it, because it is
as as I found it, not only humorous but very astounding.
Number One, I was astounded Ray agreed to come on
and give an interview after what had happened. You cannot
(04:56):
dig yourself out of that hole, and I felt he
was really, you know, digging quite a lot deeper. I'm
not sure whether Ray realizes just how career limiting this
has been, and probably his chances of becoming the mayor are,
you know, I would say around zero right now. But
the third point is unfortunately for Wellington, which you know,
(05:20):
if I were a Wellingtonian, I think, for God's sake,
you can't even get water in my taps, and yet
this whole council just continually turns up as a clown show.
And you know, if my neighbor had told me some
story about his son's tempestuous sex on a Friday night.
(05:41):
I don't think I would go back to the office
and flick it around as an f YI, regardless of
who the person was involved. I mean, it just it's
just outrageous.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
But the thing about the Wellington City Council, who needs
Love Island when you've got Wellington City Council. I mean,
it's not just that Ray Chung sent this email and
these accusations against Tory Farno. It's that somebody linked that email.
I mean, the whole thing is just they are just
a sessp it. So what you need is an absolute
comprehensive clean out of that entire council because they're all
(06:14):
playing games. I mean, I'm sure there's some good people there,
but it's the whole lot is just guys go away.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Do you know? The other thing here is like good
luck Andrew Little, you know, because he's I mean that's
going to be his job, right, it's trying and bring
them all together.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Yeah, you think running the unions was hard, wait till
you get into this Love Island.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Well exactly. Donald Trump mulling increasing the baseline tariff so
we feel pretty good at the moment because we're on
ten percent. Everyone else is on ten percent. You know,
well that's the minimum, and we feel pretty good about that.
He's now talking maybe I'll do fifteen, maybe I'll do
twenty trish, do we take it seriously? And if we do,
do we worry about that? Well?
Speaker 4 (06:53):
I would actually hark back to Winston Peter's early advice
earlier in the year around this is not to panic.
The one thing that we know about Trump and these tariffs,
there is literally no economic theory behind it. There is
no valid formula for how these are being set up,
(07:14):
these numbers, so it's literally peanuts under a cup. So
until until we know what's going to happen, I think,
you know, don't panic is really the order of the day,
the one useful piece of news. And I saw it
in the in the analysis today. I think it was
Catherine Beard of Business New Zealand saying, remember it's that
(07:35):
it's our it's our tariff relative to others. That's really
the point here. So if we are at twenty five
percent and everyone else is at twenty five percent, or
others are higher than that, then that's okay for us.
It's not just that we're at twenty five percent, if
that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
The thing is it's never been a negotiation. It's always
been a shakedown. And until we realize that, okay, now
at ten percent, Now we're looking at twenty percent. And
when he was campaigning, he was threatening sixty percent, fifty
percent here it was just completely random, as you say, Trish.
But the point is it's just going to get worse,
and it's not going to go away when Trump goes
away either, because for some reason, America thinks that the
(08:16):
rest of the world is taking it for a ride
and sponging off it. So if we want to be
really savvy about this, we need to get really clever
at making sure thank god we joined the TPP CPTPP,
which is thirty six percent of the global economy, America
is about fifteen percent. We need to start really seriously
looking at we are with India, but trade with Southeast Asia,
(08:39):
trade with Canada, South Korea, all the countries that are
in the same situation as US, because this is not
going away.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
The interesting thing about it all is because you say,
you know, they've got this crazy idea that this will
get them out, but free trade hasn't treated everyone equally,
which is why we're in this position, right because NAFTA
came along, hollowed out a whole bunch of manufacturing troubles.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
And you do, you do, absolutely have to. That's the
problem with the anti globalization movement, right, They have a point,
and the point is that there were people left behind.
I mean, no one in I don't know Northland is saying, well,
you know, my wage has gone down, but thank god,
aggregate wages have gone up, you know. I mean, you're
personally affected if your factory or your meat works closes
(09:24):
in your town because people are buying cheaper stuff elsewhere
and they've relocated. Yeah, you're hurt. So the inability to
deal with the losers of globalization has set us up
for this situation. So it's it's you know, it's the
fault of the left as much as the right that
we haven't dealt with that.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
But that is also the trademark of the way Trump
makes these ridiculous announcements and policies. There's always a grain
of truth at the heart of it, right, and so
it's very easy for those who want to believe it
to go, yes, that's the right way to go. But
there is no doubt that these tariffs are absolutely a
shift away from the free trade world that we have
(10:02):
known and we've been building since the Second World War,
and we're going into a very worrying state of protection.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Is a great idea for a campaign. Let's start a
hashtags aluminium campaign. Start pronouncing aluminium our way, and anyone
who says aluminum, we're not going to trade with them,
they get an extra tax to take an aluminum text.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Hey, thanks guys, Triciusen and Jesse mcgarney on the Huddle tonight.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
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