September 15, 2025 • 11 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Trish Sherson from Sherson Willis PR and Child Fund CEO Josie Pagani joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
What do we make of Health NZ's new proposed 24/7 visitor policy? No one seems to be a fan of it - is it a terrible idea?
The All Blacks got thoroughly trounced over the weekend and suffered a historic defeat to the Springboks in Wellington. Are some new changes needed? Does the team need a new captain - or new coach?
The Government has launched an inquiry into Eden Park - and whether current rules are holding the venue back from reaching its full potential. Do we think this is the way to go?
Can we do anything about the e-scooters?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty find your
one of a.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Kind right twenty one away from six In the Huddle
this evening, Trishurson, Shurson, Willis pr and Joe Spigani, CEO
of Child Fund, Hello you too, Hello Hello Trish. What
do you think of the twenty four hour visiting policy
at the hospitals?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
I thought it sounded like a recipe for disaster. Try
going into a hospital and if you're a patient in
getting sleep overnight as is, think about what's already happening
in our eds, the level of aggression that they're dealing with.
If you've got people going in and out at all
(00:38):
times of the day and night, imagine the increased infection risk.
I just I didn't see the need for this to
be made as a blanket statement. In my experience of
having taken kids to the hospital over the last you know,
twenty five years, parents are always welcome to stay with kids,
or there's a chair put up so you can sleep
(01:00):
beside them. And I just felt for stuff in hospitals,
this would have felt like a just a nerve, such
a mozzle.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah, I mean, from what I can understand, Josie, it's
not even that different to what they were doing already, right,
they already have the discretion to allow this, They just
kind of maybe I guess, made it like publicized it exactly.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
So that's been my experience. So I've had, like Yutritia,
I've had kids in hospital where I've stayed overnight, not
just for one night, but sometimes for over a week.
I've recently had my mum in hospital. I could have
we were basically there till two am on first night
she was in hospital, and you're kind of, you know,
given a place to lie down. And also I've got
extended family Fenoma who are in hospital who culturally, you know,
(01:44):
Farno stays with someone really sick or if they're dying
or they're critical, and on the whole, that's accommodated for right,
You've got a far no room where you know, family
can kind of gather, So you haven't got everybody in
the same shared roard. You've always got the chance for
someone to sleep on the lazy boy next to you.
So I think they could do more to make that
(02:05):
easier for families that need to do that. But you're
absolutely right, Heather, I mean, this was something that's already happening.
I don't know how they keep mucking up the comms
on this stalinist. You know, it's like you feel like
they use language that you know, they don't talk like humans.
So they talk about people on their healing journey and
I'm thinking, right, you know, and I can I not
(02:29):
go on that journey? Do I have a choice? So
they sort of talk this jargon e you know, bubbledygook,
and then they relate everything to t ti ty. You're
right to the treaty, and yes, there is a cultural element.
Mary families and Pacifica families want to be around their
their sick.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
No, no, come off with Josie. The communities most likely,
the community is most likely to need this, a new
migrant communities who can't speak English. That's actually who give
out a treaty obligation.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
There is that. You don't need to make it a
treaty issue. It's just a human issue, and there are
cultural issues and people want to you know, whether you're
Indian or MARII, they might want to be with their family.
So I think, as you say, it's already happening anyway,
and somehow they've managed to make this communications mess.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
I think the key message here is that care needs company,
but not a party at two am.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
No totally, Hey, how do they bowls this up so badly?
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Terre? I think it's just completely over egging the pudding.
And it's when inclusivity and you know, combayr just goes
completely off the rails and becomes utterly impractical.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
And what I'd like to know if there is a
pointed when an infliction point at which you have so
many comm staff that they actually start working against themselves,
like maximum best is thirty and then after that it's
actually it starts going negative.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Well probably I think it's when words get in the
way of actually, what is it we're trying to solve here?
And to me this read light there wasn't a clear
problem definition yep, exactly.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
And what it is is they often government departments they
think that comms are there to solve substantive problems. So
they put it on the comm's team to come up
with some spin and gobbedy gooky language and you know,
talk about scaffolding of learning your and education and healing
journeys and you're in health and so they just they're
looking to comms to smother it with jargon, to try
(04:25):
and get out of a substantive problem that really didn't exist.
People are staying twenty four hours if they need to totally.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Now, what do you think, Trish am I being unfair?
Maybe saying we need to change a captain. I don't
want to kick a man while he's down.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Well, it's always what happens, right with Ragback cracks me
up because it's always everyone sticks the slipper and on
Monday we're all we're all great armchair coaches, aren't we?
And you know, unfair or not?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Tell me that it hasn't occurred? Do you haven't you
thought it should be arebi?
Speaker 3 (04:59):
It's always a coach and the captain.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I do.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I am a big fan of Artie and I think
you're right there's a lot of love for him. But
maybe it's similar to in politics, where there may be
politicians who we think are fantastic as ministers and everyone
thinks they're awesome, but they're not made to be the
prime minister. Might be similar with the all Blacks. That's
my very crude layman assessment.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Josie.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Yeah, I was just thinking if Piney doesn't know who
to blame for the terrible disaster.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
He never knows who to blame. I know knows who
to blame because he is a lovely man and he
doesn't want to blame anyone.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
He doesn't want to blame anyone. But I do feel
that the country's grieving and that they can be spared
mean Trish and our analysis of the game. But having
said that, I'm just gonna give you my analysis that yes,
I absolutely think that Ardie Savier should be captain. I
traveled with him on a plane recently. He's just the
most charming, lovely person in real life as well as
on and on the and on the field. He's amazing
(05:59):
and he has that lovely combination that Richie mccaugh had
of leadership and also toughness and takes no prisoners. But
one thing my husband did say, and he does know
what he's talking about, unlike me, he said he was
very surprised that the forwards coach turned up to work today.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Oh that's all I'll say. Oh okay, that interesting. Thank
you all right.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
For the huddle with New Zealand. Southerby's International Realty, the
global leader in luxury real estate.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Write you're back with a huddle Trisha and Josie. Josie,
what do you think about this inquiry into Eden Park?
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Why?
Speaker 2 (06:31):
What I'm trying to understand is why do you launch
an investigation instead of just changing the rules that you
clearly know you want to change.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Also, is this really a post cabinet announcement? I mean,
it feels to me like they're scrambling on a Monday
to find something to announce that makes us feel like not.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
For the first time, not for the first time.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
No, not for the first time. And it just seems
to me if you're announcing you know, we hope that
Taylor Swift arrives on a honeymoon, and we hope we
get more concerts. And I heard Louis up and say
something like, we look, we look forward to more unusual
expos at eden Park if we if we change these rules.
And I'm thinking, is that what does that mean? For
a start, mean, I don't know fossils from Madagascar or something.
(07:11):
I won't know what an unusual expo is. But it's
also just you know, this is this is why people
have lost confidence at the moment. They feel like, you know,
this is not an economic growth plan. You know, Singapore
didn't come out and announce more concerts when they decided
they've become, you know, the finance and farmer capital of
the South Pacific. Taiwan didn't announce more concerts when they
(07:33):
and didn't by accident, become the center of the world
for creating chips and making chips. So it just I
think it just feels like people are people are kind
of going if this is the best you've got on
a Monday after cabinet, it's not good enough.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I would agree.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
I don't buy that you have to announce an investigation
into this. The issues around the unitary Plan, I'm sure
are very very well known if you want to dig
down into them. Also, we are now eighteen months into
this term. Now we've got to wait for an investigation.
(08:10):
I think to Josie's point about the focus, it does
seem like small beer if you're talking about kick starting
the economy, and if you were really talking about kick
starting the economy, you would go back to things like
the waterfront stadium for Auckland, so you know. So, so
(08:31):
I think that there's the there is the difference, And
I also think you've got to be careful about not
following the rule.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Do it, be it, say it.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
So we're getting a lot of headlines on things, but
you know it's a long way down the track to
get some runs on the board.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Yeah, I couldn't agree more. All right, now, JOSEI, the
e st scooters, What do we do about them?
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Well, it's not that big a problem. You look at
the numbers. So what about thirty hundred accidents in five years,
the report said, And we have about ten thousand rides
a day around Auckland. This is just an Auckland. This
is just the rentals, not people with their own scooters.
So if you do the maths on that that it
means that if you've you could basically would fall off
your bike once every thirty five years if you rode
(09:18):
every day. Right, it's not that good. This is not
a big problem. And I actually I think I have
got a solution to this. And I don't know why
we make it so goddamn complicated. Forget the whole cycle
pathways stuff, which just irritates all of us. What we
should be doing is just expanding the footpaths and putting
and making them double footpaths, which they do in other
(09:38):
parts of the world. So the pedestrians walk on the
inside and the bikes, you know, bikes and scooters go
on the outside. Put them all on the footpath because
I'm blowed off. I'm ever going to ride a bike
or a scooter on a road in New Zealand, You'll
end up dead.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
You you will have a literal riot on your hands.
In Auckland, if there is one more road cone with
one more pathway slash by cycle way extension, that is
absolutely not going to happen. And slightly off off topic
on this, but just on my own little private rent,
our road has been shut down four times this year
(10:13):
and completely road coned. The last time was on Saturday,
which was for some very useful work from vectors. I'm
not having a go at them, but what has happened
out the back of that is there is now a
pile of road cones, just orphaned road cones, that have
been stacked up outside our house with no view on
who's going to come and collect them or whatever. So
(10:34):
my thought on that is I'm going to set them
out in a sort of a debate style format so
any local body candidates can come and use them as
seats for a debate. And I think that would be
a very useful way to get to get those often
road cones used.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I love how you've just turned into a chat about
scooters into your personal road cone problem.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Well I'm sorry, but somebody, every every time I drive home,
I think those fugging road cones. Again, where's Brownie when
you need them?
Speaker 4 (11:05):
I know, right, there's an economic growth plan. I mean,
we've got so many road cones. Apparently they cost about
forty dollars each to buy, and so why don't we
just export road cones instead of invite people for concerts.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
That's still it's not got about a thousand bucks sitting
outside the house. So anyone who wants to come.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
In here this next Monday's announcement, they've got it. Thank you, guys,
appreciate it for shous and Joseph Begani at Hudle this evening.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks. They'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty find your
one of a.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Kind right twenty one away from six In the Huddle
this evening, Trishurson, Shurson, Willis pr and Joe Spigani, CEO
of Child Fund, Hello you too, Hello Hello Trish. What
do you think of the twenty four hour visiting policy
at the hospitals?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
I thought it sounded like a recipe for disaster. Try
going into a hospital and if you're a patient in
getting sleep overnight as is, think about what's already happening
in our eds, the level of aggression that they're dealing with.
If you've got people going in and out at all
(00:38):
times of the day and night, imagine the increased infection risk.
I just I didn't see the need for this to
be made as a blanket statement. In my experience of
having taken kids to the hospital over the last you know,
twenty five years, parents are always welcome to stay with kids,
or there's a chair put up so you can sleep
(01:00):
beside them. And I just felt for stuff in hospitals,
this would have felt like a just a nerve, such
a mozzle.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah, I mean, from what I can understand, Josie, it's
not even that different to what they were doing already, right,
they already have the discretion to allow this, They just
kind of maybe I guess, made it like publicized it exactly.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
So that's been my experience. So I've had, like Yutritia,
I've had kids in hospital where I've stayed overnight, not
just for one night, but sometimes for over a week.
I've recently had my mum in hospital. I could have
we were basically there till two am on first night
she was in hospital, and you're kind of, you know,
given a place to lie down. And also I've got
extended family Fenoma who are in hospital who culturally, you know,
(01:44):
Farno stays with someone really sick or if they're dying
or they're critical, and on the whole, that's accommodated for right,
You've got a far no room where you know, family
can kind of gather, So you haven't got everybody in
the same shared roard. You've always got the chance for
someone to sleep on the lazy boy next to you.
So I think they could do more to make that
(02:05):
easier for families that need to do that. But you're
absolutely right, Heather, I mean, this was something that's already happening.
I don't know how they keep mucking up the comms
on this stalinist. You know, it's like you feel like
they use language that you know, they don't talk like humans.
So they talk about people on their healing journey and
I'm thinking, right, you know, and I can I not
(02:29):
go on that journey? Do I have a choice? So
they sort of talk this jargon e you know, bubbledygook,
and then they relate everything to t ti ty. You're
right to the treaty, and yes, there is a cultural element.
Mary families and Pacifica families want to be around their
their sick.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
No, no, come off with Josie. The communities most likely,
the community is most likely to need this, a new
migrant communities who can't speak English. That's actually who give
out a treaty obligation.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
There is that. You don't need to make it a
treaty issue. It's just a human issue, and there are
cultural issues and people want to you know, whether you're
Indian or MARII, they might want to be with their family.
So I think, as you say, it's already happening anyway,
and somehow they've managed to make this communications mess.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
I think the key message here is that care needs company,
but not a party at two am.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
No totally, Hey, how do they bowls this up so badly?
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Terre? I think it's just completely over egging the pudding.
And it's when inclusivity and you know, combayr just goes
completely off the rails and becomes utterly impractical.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
And what I'd like to know if there is a
pointed when an infliction point at which you have so
many comm staff that they actually start working against themselves,
like maximum best is thirty and then after that it's
actually it starts going negative.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Well probably I think it's when words get in the
way of actually, what is it we're trying to solve here?
And to me this read light there wasn't a clear
problem definition yep, exactly.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
And what it is is they often government departments they
think that comms are there to solve substantive problems. So
they put it on the comm's team to come up
with some spin and gobbedy gooky language and you know,
talk about scaffolding of learning your and education and healing
journeys and you're in health and so they just they're
looking to comms to smother it with jargon, to try
(04:25):
and get out of a substantive problem that really didn't exist.
People are staying twenty four hours if they need to totally.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Now, what do you think, Trish am I being unfair?
Maybe saying we need to change a captain. I don't
want to kick a man while he's down.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Well, it's always what happens, right with Ragback cracks me
up because it's always everyone sticks the slipper and on
Monday we're all we're all great armchair coaches, aren't we?
And you know, unfair or not?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Tell me that it hasn't occurred? Do you haven't you
thought it should be arebi?
Speaker 3 (04:59):
It's always a coach and the captain.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I do.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I am a big fan of Artie and I think
you're right there's a lot of love for him. But
maybe it's similar to in politics, where there may be
politicians who we think are fantastic as ministers and everyone
thinks they're awesome, but they're not made to be the
prime minister. Might be similar with the all Blacks. That's
my very crude layman assessment.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Josie.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Yeah, I was just thinking if Piney doesn't know who
to blame for the terrible disaster.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
He never knows who to blame. I know knows who
to blame because he is a lovely man and he
doesn't want to blame anyone.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
He doesn't want to blame anyone. But I do feel
that the country's grieving and that they can be spared
mean Trish and our analysis of the game. But having
said that, I'm just gonna give you my analysis that yes,
I absolutely think that Ardie Savier should be captain. I
traveled with him on a plane recently. He's just the
most charming, lovely person in real life as well as
on and on the and on the field. He's amazing
(05:59):
and he has that lovely combination that Richie mccaugh had
of leadership and also toughness and takes no prisoners. But
one thing my husband did say, and he does know
what he's talking about, unlike me, he said he was
very surprised that the forwards coach turned up to work today.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Oh that's all I'll say. Oh okay, that interesting. Thank
you all right.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
For the huddle with New Zealand. Southerby's International Realty, the
global leader in luxury real estate.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Write you're back with a huddle Trisha and Josie. Josie,
what do you think about this inquiry into Eden Park?
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Why?
Speaker 2 (06:31):
What I'm trying to understand is why do you launch
an investigation instead of just changing the rules that you
clearly know you want to change.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Also, is this really a post cabinet announcement? I mean,
it feels to me like they're scrambling on a Monday
to find something to announce that makes us feel like not.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
For the first time, not for the first time.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
No, not for the first time. And it just seems
to me if you're announcing you know, we hope that
Taylor Swift arrives on a honeymoon, and we hope we
get more concerts. And I heard Louis up and say
something like, we look, we look forward to more unusual
expos at eden Park if we if we change these rules.
And I'm thinking, is that what does that mean? For
a start, mean, I don't know fossils from Madagascar or something.
(07:11):
I won't know what an unusual expo is. But it's
also just you know, this is this is why people
have lost confidence at the moment. They feel like, you know,
this is not an economic growth plan. You know, Singapore
didn't come out and announce more concerts when they decided
they've become, you know, the finance and farmer capital of
the South Pacific. Taiwan didn't announce more concerts when they
(07:33):
and didn't by accident, become the center of the world
for creating chips and making chips. So it just I
think it just feels like people are people are kind
of going if this is the best you've got on
a Monday after cabinet, it's not good enough.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I would agree.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
I don't buy that you have to announce an investigation
into this. The issues around the unitary Plan, I'm sure
are very very well known if you want to dig
down into them. Also, we are now eighteen months into
this term. Now we've got to wait for an investigation.
(08:10):
I think to Josie's point about the focus, it does
seem like small beer if you're talking about kick starting
the economy, and if you were really talking about kick
starting the economy, you would go back to things like
the waterfront stadium for Auckland, so you know. So, so
(08:31):
I think that there's the there is the difference, And
I also think you've got to be careful about not
following the rule.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Do it, be it, say it.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
So we're getting a lot of headlines on things, but
you know it's a long way down the track to
get some runs on the board.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Yeah, I couldn't agree more. All right, now, JOSEI, the
e st scooters, What do we do about them?
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Well, it's not that big a problem. You look at
the numbers. So what about thirty hundred accidents in five years,
the report said, And we have about ten thousand rides
a day around Auckland. This is just an Auckland. This
is just the rentals, not people with their own scooters.
So if you do the maths on that that it
means that if you've you could basically would fall off
your bike once every thirty five years if you rode
(09:18):
every day. Right, it's not that good. This is not
a big problem. And I actually I think I have
got a solution to this. And I don't know why
we make it so goddamn complicated. Forget the whole cycle
pathways stuff, which just irritates all of us. What we
should be doing is just expanding the footpaths and putting
and making them double footpaths, which they do in other
(09:38):
parts of the world. So the pedestrians walk on the
inside and the bikes, you know, bikes and scooters go
on the outside. Put them all on the footpath because
I'm blowed off. I'm ever going to ride a bike
or a scooter on a road in New Zealand, You'll
end up dead.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
You you will have a literal riot on your hands.
In Auckland, if there is one more road cone with
one more pathway slash by cycle way extension, that is
absolutely not going to happen. And slightly off off topic
on this, but just on my own little private rent,
our road has been shut down four times this year
(10:13):
and completely road coned. The last time was on Saturday,
which was for some very useful work from vectors. I'm
not having a go at them, but what has happened
out the back of that is there is now a
pile of road cones, just orphaned road cones, that have
been stacked up outside our house with no view on
who's going to come and collect them or whatever. So
(10:34):
my thought on that is I'm going to set them
out in a sort of a debate style format so
any local body candidates can come and use them as
seats for a debate. And I think that would be
a very useful way to get to get those often
road cones used.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I love how you've just turned into a chat about
scooters into your personal road cone problem.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Well I'm sorry, but somebody, every every time I drive home,
I think those fugging road cones. Again, where's Brownie when
you need them?
Speaker 4 (11:05):
I know, right, there's an economic growth plan. I mean,
we've got so many road cones. Apparently they cost about
forty dollars each to buy, and so why don't we
just export road cones instead of invite people for concerts.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
That's still it's not got about a thousand bucks sitting
outside the house. So anyone who wants to come.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
In here this next Monday's announcement, they've got it. Thank you, guys,
appreciate it for shous and Joseph Begani at Hudle this evening.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks. They'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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