August 21, 2025 • 8 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Kiwiblog's David Farrar and Ali Jones from Red PR joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
David Seymour says the coalition isn't saving as much money as ACT would have. What do we make of this?
Police Commissioner Richard Chambers gave an interview to the NZ Herald saying we should feel lucky to live in New Zealand. What do we make of this?
A Wellington restaurant is asking people to sign a contract before taking leftovers home.. to ensure they're not liable for any food safety issues. Is this over the top?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Huddle with New Zealand Souderby's International Realty, Unique Homes,
Uniquely for You, The.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Huddle with Me this evening. Ali Jones have read pr
and David Faraki we blog and Curiapolster.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
How are you two?
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Hello?
Speaker 4 (00:12):
Good a Ali?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
David Seymour mounted a pretty good argument there, didn't They no.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
A predictable speaking in sound bike things I could put
on a T shirt or a bumper sticker. You know,
I'm sick of hearing him say things like, oh, you know,
we're not saving this money, We're not necessarily delivering things better.
What the hell does that mean? He has to start
giving real examples and some of the things he did
actually say as an example, for you know, he mentioned
(00:40):
pay equity. We saved so many billions here. So it's
what mister Seymour's got to remember is for many of us,
and I wouldn't say that I'm one way or the
other polifically, for many of us, it is not about
the multiple billions that you save, mister Seymour. It's actually
what it does to people, what it does to communities,
(01:02):
and it doesn't always have to have a dollar figure
on it. They are not thinking of the outcomes. They
are not thinking about the consequences. They are just scorching,
slashing and burning and saying this is what we've saved.
And I, for one, I'm sick of it.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Well, I would like to see more savings.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
David.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I don't think there's enough at all. And I just
wonder how long he can carry on blaming national in
Nicoler without himself being blamed for failing to deliver.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Yeah, what was what Ali said? I don't if only
their head beats some slashing and burning. I think you've
had some mild truoning.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Oh they're getting rid of those pay equity claims. Getting
rid of those pay equity claims was a slash and burn.
That was getting rid of years of good faith bargaining
in order to get money to put into the budget.
I'll be quite now because I know you've got to have.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
You say that.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
That is definitely a slash and burn.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
But what I said about outcomes is we have to
remember the last government increase spending by fifty percent and
almost every social indicator got worse, education, how you name it.
But I'm on David's side that they should cut more,
and there's probably a lost opportunity because look, when you
come into government, cutting things will always create linsens and
(02:15):
if you do too much about it, like Kirstarmagin in
the UK, you've become deeply, deeply unpopular. So what they
hope they'd be able to do is cut the low
hanging fruit that won't cause too much for lessal pain,
and the economy would grow enough to get back into surplus.
That's looking a tough call now because basically the comedy
(02:35):
is not quite great enough. So in hindsight, of course,
time that's unful. There should have been probably bigger cats
than that first twelve months when you've got that sort
of mandate almost from the public to say, lot, we
voted you guys. Hindsight, it's a wonderful thing.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah, it totally is. Ellie, are you going to tell
everybody how much you get? Well, not everybody, but are
you going to tell you colleagues how much you are in?
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Now? No?
Speaker 4 (02:58):
But you know I can if I want to, you know,
And I think that's what this is about, and it's
probably not so much about me telling other people or
other people telling me. I think what this has done
is actually given some visibility to the issue. So we
know that the problem they're trying to fix here is
pay parity. You know, how do we know what's going
on if we can't actually see what people are being
(03:19):
paid and what they're earning, all that they have the
right to say what they're being paid or what they're earning.
I also think there's another part of this too. I
know people who are on minimum wage, not living wage.
These are mature people and businesses that are doing really well.
These are mature people with a lot of intelligence and
qualifications and education, but they're on not even a living wage. Now,
if I think if people knew which businesses were doing this,
(03:42):
if there was some visibility of that, people would choose
where to be a customer. And I think that's another
thing that might come out with this as well.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Do you like this, David, I'm quite a fan of
this at the law.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah. Look, I don't think it should be illegal for
people to be able to talk to each other about
what they're paid and something you have put an employ
it contract. I think you'll still find a lot of
people won't want to talk about because it can lead
to uncomfortable conversations. Oh, they're paid four thousand more. I've
(04:14):
been here longer. Does that mean they don't bear you
me or it's secret. I think a lot of people
not want to talk about what they're paid. But lot,
if you want to be able to go up to
your mate and say, like, hang up for the pay
round and I'm not sure that they're paying me enough,
go for it. You should be able to see what
the others are paid and that helps you make your case.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty the Ones
for Unmassed results.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Back on the Huddle, David Farrer and Allie Jones. David,
do you agree with the Police Commissioner that we are
being far too gloomy about New Zealand and actually we
should be very grateful to be in such a great place.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
I do, partly because I've just been looking at being
the Queen Charlotte Track in the last couple of days,
and as I look at these fohos of the most
amazing scenery watch people around the world would die for,
that does remind me. Yes, we have economic challenges, but
there's not New Zealand's is the place to be. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
The totally is what do you reckon? Ellie? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Look, but I'm not gonna apologize for it. I think
we're very privileged, right David. I mean there are people
who just can't. I meet a woman the other day
who's had to tell her five year old grandson that
they don't bake anymore just because they're too busy. The
reason she can't bake anymore if she can't afford to
buy butter. And I know that that's not a major either.
She's firt, she's well, she's able to put food on
(05:37):
the table. But the scene a on the Queen Charlotte
track is great, and yes, we do live in a
wonderful country, but we can't expect everyone to give credit
with credits due when they are dealing with really serious
day to day issues like the cost of living.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah it is. I mean we don't want to be
pollyannaish about it, do we. I mean, there are some
difficult things that are going on right now, Alie, four people,
and it's really hard to make ends. But this will
get better, whereas a place like Europe has probably got years,
if not decades of trouble ahead of them.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Look, no, you're right here there. And that whole thing
about gratitude, we really do have to practice that a
little bit more. You know, I do think we've been
a bit of a country of tall poppies and looking
at the glass half empty. You know, you do hear
of headlines like New Zealand missed the Gold, when in
fact the headlines should be New Zealand winds silver. So
you know, I think there are ways that we can
be approaching things that are a bit more positive than
(06:27):
we currently have perhaps.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
So now, David, what do you make of this business
with the leftovers and having to basically sign a waiver
before you can take your leftovers away?
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Look, you're just crazy. I mean what does sign the
waiver do anyway? If you actually have poisoned the food,
that's not going to preteat you. But if you haven't
poisoned it, you're fine. I mean, has anyone ever actually
gotten too trouble by allowing their customers to take food
home in a doggy bag with our wave? No, it's
(06:56):
just ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
No, it does seem over the top. What do you think?
Speaker 3 (07:00):
No?
Speaker 4 (07:01):
I totally disagree, And yes, people have got into trouble
with this before. So well, my husband's an ex chef,
and I know from others who have worked in the
sector that you've got people who take food home and
they are so you know, social media is so accessible
these days and the reach is so huge that you
post a Google review on the food that you've got
(07:23):
causing you food poisoning and it must have been from
the place you've got it, and that business can go under.
And I'm not overstating that. So you know, it's not
much to ask for people to just I wouldn't mind
signing something saying that, you know, the food was great
when I left if it means I can take my
food home.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
But how do you know the farm was good because
it might take you an oyster can take you two
or three days to sort.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Of you know. Yeah, well the.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Social media, yeah yes, But if someone has eaten it
on site and they get sick at the restaurant on site,
this is a I think your story, said Heather, is
that Pepe they keep records of who signs the forms
and who doesn't. But I think the risk is to
grace and I have seen it happen where people have
said the food made me sick, when in fact it
was a person taking it home. Look, either you sign
(08:06):
the waiver or you don't. Allow people to take food on.
That's the choice. It's got to be.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
I think I love taking food home. Do you take
food home?
Speaker 3 (08:12):
David?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yeah? Why Why is your appetite so small at the minute.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
It's called children. They don't always finish their metals.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
It's too right. Actually I've forgotten about them. Yeah, I've
got one of those two. Actually, guys, thanks very much,
appreciate it. David Farrer Allie Jones are hud of this
evening as Away from six.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks they'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
The Huddle with New Zealand Souderby's International Realty, Unique Homes,
Uniquely for You, The.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Huddle with Me this evening. Ali Jones have read pr
and David Faraki we blog and Curiapolster.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
How are you two?
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Hello?
Speaker 4 (00:12):
Good a Ali?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
David Seymour mounted a pretty good argument there, didn't They no.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
A predictable speaking in sound bike things I could put
on a T shirt or a bumper sticker. You know,
I'm sick of hearing him say things like, oh, you know,
we're not saving this money, We're not necessarily delivering things better.
What the hell does that mean? He has to start
giving real examples and some of the things he did
actually say as an example, for you know, he mentioned
(00:40):
pay equity. We saved so many billions here. So it's
what mister Seymour's got to remember is for many of us,
and I wouldn't say that I'm one way or the
other polifically, for many of us, it is not about
the multiple billions that you save, mister Seymour. It's actually
what it does to people, what it does to communities,
(01:02):
and it doesn't always have to have a dollar figure
on it. They are not thinking of the outcomes. They
are not thinking about the consequences. They are just scorching,
slashing and burning and saying this is what we've saved.
And I, for one, I'm sick of it.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Well, I would like to see more savings.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
David.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I don't think there's enough at all. And I just
wonder how long he can carry on blaming national in
Nicoler without himself being blamed for failing to deliver.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Yeah, what was what Ali said? I don't if only
their head beats some slashing and burning. I think you've
had some mild truoning.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Oh they're getting rid of those pay equity claims. Getting
rid of those pay equity claims was a slash and burn.
That was getting rid of years of good faith bargaining
in order to get money to put into the budget.
I'll be quite now because I know you've got to have.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
You say that.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
That is definitely a slash and burn.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
But what I said about outcomes is we have to
remember the last government increase spending by fifty percent and
almost every social indicator got worse, education, how you name it.
But I'm on David's side that they should cut more,
and there's probably a lost opportunity because look, when you
come into government, cutting things will always create linsens and
(02:15):
if you do too much about it, like Kirstarmagin in
the UK, you've become deeply, deeply unpopular. So what they
hope they'd be able to do is cut the low
hanging fruit that won't cause too much for lessal pain,
and the economy would grow enough to get back into surplus.
That's looking a tough call now because basically the comedy
(02:35):
is not quite great enough. So in hindsight, of course,
time that's unful. There should have been probably bigger cats
than that first twelve months when you've got that sort
of mandate almost from the public to say, lot, we
voted you guys. Hindsight, it's a wonderful thing.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah, it totally is. Ellie, are you going to tell
everybody how much you get? Well, not everybody, but are
you going to tell you colleagues how much you are in?
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Now? No?
Speaker 4 (02:58):
But you know I can if I want to, you know,
And I think that's what this is about, and it's
probably not so much about me telling other people or
other people telling me. I think what this has done
is actually given some visibility to the issue. So we
know that the problem they're trying to fix here is
pay parity. You know, how do we know what's going
on if we can't actually see what people are being
(03:19):
paid and what they're earning, all that they have the
right to say what they're being paid or what they're earning.
I also think there's another part of this too. I
know people who are on minimum wage, not living wage.
These are mature people and businesses that are doing really well.
These are mature people with a lot of intelligence and
qualifications and education, but they're on not even a living wage. Now,
if I think if people knew which businesses were doing this,
(03:42):
if there was some visibility of that, people would choose
where to be a customer. And I think that's another
thing that might come out with this as well.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Do you like this, David, I'm quite a fan of
this at the law.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah. Look, I don't think it should be illegal for
people to be able to talk to each other about
what they're paid and something you have put an employ
it contract. I think you'll still find a lot of
people won't want to talk about because it can lead
to uncomfortable conversations. Oh, they're paid four thousand more. I've
(04:14):
been here longer. Does that mean they don't bear you
me or it's secret. I think a lot of people
not want to talk about what they're paid. But lot,
if you want to be able to go up to
your mate and say, like, hang up for the pay
round and I'm not sure that they're paying me enough,
go for it. You should be able to see what
the others are paid and that helps you make your case.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty the Ones
for Unmassed results.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Back on the Huddle, David Farrer and Allie Jones. David,
do you agree with the Police Commissioner that we are
being far too gloomy about New Zealand and actually we
should be very grateful to be in such a great place.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
I do, partly because I've just been looking at being
the Queen Charlotte Track in the last couple of days,
and as I look at these fohos of the most
amazing scenery watch people around the world would die for,
that does remind me. Yes, we have economic challenges, but
there's not New Zealand's is the place to be. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
The totally is what do you reckon? Ellie? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Look, but I'm not gonna apologize for it. I think
we're very privileged, right David. I mean there are people
who just can't. I meet a woman the other day
who's had to tell her five year old grandson that
they don't bake anymore just because they're too busy. The
reason she can't bake anymore if she can't afford to
buy butter. And I know that that's not a major either.
She's firt, she's well, she's able to put food on
(05:37):
the table. But the scene a on the Queen Charlotte
track is great, and yes, we do live in a
wonderful country, but we can't expect everyone to give credit
with credits due when they are dealing with really serious
day to day issues like the cost of living.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah it is. I mean we don't want to be
pollyannaish about it, do we. I mean, there are some
difficult things that are going on right now, Alie, four people,
and it's really hard to make ends. But this will
get better, whereas a place like Europe has probably got years,
if not decades of trouble ahead of them.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Look, no, you're right here there. And that whole thing
about gratitude, we really do have to practice that a
little bit more. You know, I do think we've been
a bit of a country of tall poppies and looking
at the glass half empty. You know, you do hear
of headlines like New Zealand missed the Gold, when in
fact the headlines should be New Zealand winds silver. So
you know, I think there are ways that we can
be approaching things that are a bit more positive than
(06:27):
we currently have perhaps.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
So now, David, what do you make of this business
with the leftovers and having to basically sign a waiver
before you can take your leftovers away?
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Look, you're just crazy. I mean what does sign the
waiver do anyway? If you actually have poisoned the food,
that's not going to preteat you. But if you haven't
poisoned it, you're fine. I mean, has anyone ever actually
gotten too trouble by allowing their customers to take food
home in a doggy bag with our wave? No, it's
(06:56):
just ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
No, it does seem over the top. What do you think?
Speaker 3 (07:00):
No?
Speaker 4 (07:01):
I totally disagree, And yes, people have got into trouble
with this before. So well, my husband's an ex chef,
and I know from others who have worked in the
sector that you've got people who take food home and
they are so you know, social media is so accessible
these days and the reach is so huge that you
post a Google review on the food that you've got
(07:23):
causing you food poisoning and it must have been from
the place you've got it, and that business can go under.
And I'm not overstating that. So you know, it's not
much to ask for people to just I wouldn't mind
signing something saying that, you know, the food was great
when I left if it means I can take my
food home.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
But how do you know the farm was good because
it might take you an oyster can take you two
or three days to sort.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Of you know. Yeah, well the.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Social media, yeah yes, But if someone has eaten it
on site and they get sick at the restaurant on site,
this is a I think your story, said Heather, is
that Pepe they keep records of who signs the forms
and who doesn't. But I think the risk is to
grace and I have seen it happen where people have
said the food made me sick, when in fact it
was a person taking it home. Look, either you sign
(08:06):
the waiver or you don't. Allow people to take food on.
That's the choice. It's got to be.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
I think I love taking food home. Do you take
food home?
Speaker 3 (08:12):
David?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yeah? Why Why is your appetite so small at the minute.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
It's called children. They don't always finish their metals.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
It's too right. Actually I've forgotten about them. Yeah, I've
got one of those two. Actually, guys, thanks very much,
appreciate it. David Farrer Allie Jones are hud of this
evening as Away from six.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
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