The Huddle: Do we support the upcoming teachers' strike?

Tonight on The Huddle, Phil O'Reilly from Iron Duke Partners and AUT Chancellor Rob Campbell joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!

Israel has hit back at Chris Luxon's comment that Netanyahu has 'lost the plot'. What does this mean for the overall Gaza situation? 

Should the Royal Commission of Inquiry summons the ex-Ministers?

Do you think the teachers are misjudging the public mood with their strike? Or do we have patience for their demands?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the ones
for unlashed results right on the huddle of that's seven?

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Who got Pillow Riley former former Business Business New Zealand
boss and also I and you partners at the moment?
And Rob Campbell at Chancellor and former boss of Health
New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
How are you too?

Speaker 3 (00:19):
There? Are you going right?

Speaker 4 (00:20):
Phil?

Speaker 1 (00:20):
What do you make of that? From from Sharon Haskell?

Speaker 3 (00:23):
I have a lot of sympathy.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
We'll go Phils and then you Rob go Phil.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Thanks mate. I've a lot of sympathy for what for
what she's saying, and a lot of what she's saying
I think is actually correct. I've been reading a lot
about this. But I also agree with our Prime Minister.
I think I think they have lost the plot. I
think they need to they need to think about what
the war aims are and how they get out of this,
and what they're doing now is not doing that. So
you know, I think Lusson's absolutely right. Actually, okay, what

(00:50):
do you make of it? Rob? Well?

Speaker 4 (00:52):
You can see why it's hard to get peace out
of there, can't you? But I am you don't think
the Prime Minister is correct, it was good than show
some humanity. But the truth is is Netanyauh hasn't lost
the plot. He is carefully following the plot. It's been
the same plot all the way along. They want to
destroy how Mass, they want to destroy Gaza and potentially

(01:13):
destroy the Palestinians, and I think it is the plot.
So I'm sorry. I think the Prime Minister's wrong. He
hasn't losted he's carrying it through.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Interesting, Okay, listen, should Phil Should the Royal Commission of
Inquiry change its mind and summons just into ittail?

Speaker 3 (01:28):
No? The reason is I don't. I think that's going
too far. And I think you know, the politicians who
refuse to turn up have demonstrated already to the public
of New Zealand that the vary issues that have been
raised by the government about them right now, in other words,
they were on the podium of truth every day. They're
not prepared to turn up now. I think enough's been said,
and if there were summons, there'll be no good to it. Anyway.

(01:50):
They wouldn't say anything. They'd lawyer up there that you'd
have agree adversarial arrangement and the whole idea of this
Commission of Inquiry is to get to some actionable true,
some actionable kind of stuff that can that can get
rid of the cracks and actually let us move forward together.
So you know they've done what they've done, I think
we move on. And because I'll cooperate with the inquiry
in other ways.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, if the point of it, and I agree Rob
that the point of it is to remove the cracks
and let us move on.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
This is not letting us move on, is it.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
If you don't have the very people who made the
decisions answering the questions in public.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
Well, I guess I don't know about the performance side
of it. I don't even know how much they've answered
the legitimate questions that the Commission has I mean, if
they've answered the questions in some other way and want
to avoid the performance, I can sort of understand that.
And frankly, I don't think it's going to persuade anyone
either way to change their mind about the COVID period. Unfortunately,

(02:45):
it would be good if we could do that and
move on, But I don't think it's actually very Germane
to it. Whether they turn up or not.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Do you think, actually, Phil, now that I think about.
It is possible that they have fallen into a trap
that was set for them, which is do you think so.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
I mean, it's possible that was the case. That would
be very cynical to say that, Heather, But well that's right,
as was the government of the day, as was the
disindradurned government's reaction to COVID. That was highly political as well,
of course, so there's politics everywhere year. But I think
you know that they were relying on this convention that
you know for politicians in public on commissions of inquiry,

(03:20):
a convention I was unaware of until I was made
aware of it by that advice over the last couple
of days, by the way, but these are very unusual times,
and some of the commentators have made the point that
in Britain, the various prime ministers and the various senior
officials did turn up and talk about this publicly because
they were unprecentered at times. That's the very point of
the matter, right. So I think they've done themselves damage
already by saying no, we're not going to turn up

(03:41):
publicly and talk about this, because by doing so they
might have actually got more people on side with what
they were trying to do. They did have some hard
decisions to make. Whether we agreed with the decisions or not.
Whether I agreed it's another matter. But I think they
did themselves a disservice now by saying we won't talk
about it. But that's down to them. I don't think
the you know, forces them to turn up.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
In a court of law.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
If you're accused of murder and you you don't take
the stand, you look guilty, and the same thing that's
just happened, right, except, of course, I mean I should
clarify that not accused of murder at all.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Now, Rob, you're a union man. Have the teachers got
us on board?

Speaker 4 (04:17):
The teachers typically can get offside in these disputes, and
they'll be acutely aware of that. So I think that
wait and see where these negotiations lead to. I'm not
too concerned about it at the moment, and I think
that the teachers have got some legitimate arguments. You would
have thought that they could probably get them sorted out.

(04:37):
It's a bit of a joke, this idea about you know,
the government saying that they're not bargaining in good faith,
because after all, the government has laid down some pretty
strict guidelines as to what could be done in the negotiation.
So is that good faith? I don't know. It might be,
is that they'll be able to sort something out.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
I think they might have to fill because I'm in here.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Look at thirty pay rise in five years is out
the gate, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (05:00):
I agree? And of course A nine an old employer's advocate.
Rob's an old union official. So we'll say, alige to you.
These teachers are already getting four percent to seven and
a half percent anyway, because they are on a stepped
pay increase each year, so that one percent is not
one that's actually five to eight percent actually, as well
as that they're already being paid, according to the union,
about one hundred grand a year, which is not exactly

(05:22):
some change. So I think they just got to get
to the table. And I'm sure Rob is a good
union official and the A is a good employer's advocate,
would say they've got to get to the table, try
and sort it out, because if they do go on strike,
they have to demonstrate to mums and dads that they
had no choice but to and I don't think they
demonstrated that just yet.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
One of the very too. Things I've learned very early.
Things I learned in the union and the negotiating world,
was that outside people's opinions about claims and counterclaims are
almost always wrong and almost always unhelpful. So I think
almost then, to let the teachers and the government sort
of out themselves without us coming to go on who's
right and who's wrong, how it goes.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
I thank you both, so thank you both, so much.
Appreciate it. Rob Campbell, Fellow Raleigh A huddled this evening again.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
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