May 26, 2025 • 10 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Trish Sherson from Sherson Willis PR and Child Fund CEO Josie Pagani joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
RNZ reports police staff have been directed to not investigate shoplifting below $500 and online fraud below $1000. There's also a new 'value threshold' to determine which retail crimes will be investigated - what kind of message does this send?
Nicola Willis raised some eyebrows over her choice of outfit on Budget Day - does this really matter?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On the huddle with me. We have Tris Shurson Shurson,
Willis Prrer and Joe Spagani child fan CEO. Hello you too,
Hello Hello Trish. Now what do you make of the
police not investigating shoplifting below five hundred bucks?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I think it sends the wrong message to everyone. I
think it undermines community, the sort of community trust I
think it leads into. Already there are concerns around sort
of part time or partial policing. There are some small
towns around New Zealand where police come in for certain
(00:32):
hours of the day from regional regional hubs. I think
the other point about it, though, is it's not about
the material theft of stuff from shops. The bigger problem
here is the safety of frontline people. Think about all
the young teenage kids who work in supermarkets, young kids
(00:54):
who go to work in a dairy, the dairy owners themselves,
the young kids who are on the four court of
the petrol station. This is an issue about safety. And
I heard you talking earlier about the facial recognition technology
that supermarkets have been trialing. Again remembering that that is
a technology that is about the safety of the grosses
(01:16):
and their teams. In those stores because what it's targeting
is the nutso repeat offenders who have probably already been
trespassed and they're going to come back in and be
abusive and potentially violent to stuff. So I just think
this sends the wrong signal at the wrong time.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
What can you do, though, Josie, I mean, if you
haven't got enough cops, you haven't got enough cops.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Yeah, But the problem is, I mean, you're absolutely right, Trish.
It's the broken windows approach, right that if you leave
these smaller crimes, so called smaller crimes, and don't attend
to them, then you're basically sending a message you're going
to get away with it. And I had, I mean
a couple of years ago, it's not that long ago.
My son at university had his motorbike stolen at midnight.
(02:02):
Now most students, as you know, are up at midnight,
and so his mates were filming this as this van
turns up. The guys are quite comfortable, didn't have masks on.
They filmed these guys stealing his motorbike, getting the motorbike
slowly into the van, securing it, took a picture of
the number plate and nothing was done about it. So
(02:22):
you know you're right. The cops are going right well,
up which crime? Am I going to attend to? Am
I going to attend to that bike stolen? Or am
I to go for domestic elence? Issue out and somewhere wherever?
So yes, I can't get there, but I think, what
when you're interview with the cop and I heard he.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Was okay, hold on, I tell you what, Josie, We'll
call you back because your line is dodgy, as can
you guys call it back, Trish, What do you do though,
if we don't have enough cops? We don't have enough cops,
So what do we do?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
In my view, this is one of the areas like health,
like education, that has to be absolutely prioritized by politicians
because this is part of.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
The This is what we pay our taxes.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
This is exactly what we pay our taxes.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Actually, the first thing of the establishment of a state,
right where you all collectively come together and you go,
we're going to put our texts together. It's the first
thing you can put your taxes together is safety.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
And this is part of the social contract that any
government has with the people. And we can get distracted
with a whole lot of other stuff that happens in
the inanity of politics today. But this to me is
absolutely we need Josse.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Sorry we lost you there. But you were saying that
you were listening to the Coop.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Yeah, I was, And I think what he was trying
to say was something quite different, which is that most
shoplifters offend about fifty times before they get caught, So
it doesn't make sense to kind of go after someone
who's stolen something for forty bucks or something. They're probably
repeat offenders anyway, So they're focusing on the repeat offenders
rather than the kids nicking lollies. But the problem is
(03:57):
that they're not being very clear about that. They're also
not confronting the fact that two things. One is privacy laws.
If we're going to have face recognition storage of that footage,
then privacy laws have to catch up pretty quick with that.
And the second thing is small businesses and small towns
are really going to struggle with this because you're effectively
saying you've got to privatize your own security to get
(04:20):
your security guards.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
So, Josie, here's how the problem with it. If you
let the forty buck one go, then the forty buck
one becomes an eighty buck one next time one hundred
and twenty, and so you need to like, that's your
broken it's your very own broken windows thing that you
were talking about before. You need to catch those kids
at the start of it so they don't become the recidivists.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
I agree, and I think what they were trying to
do was trying to, you know, square that circle and go, oh,
we're going after the repeat offender. Is not the little
you know, kept feeling lolly, but it's come out all wrong.
So they need to sort out their messaging.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Christal Well and the other risk is that it appears
to people who do want to thieve and damage that
are below the value. These crimes are being decriminalized effectively.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Like don't offended. Now if every time you go to
the gas station, they go, you're going to have to
pay before you fill up because this because I mean,
you know, the alternative is everybody drives away with this stuff.
On one hundred and fifty. All right, you're back of
the huddle. Josepiguanni intricious and so Josie thoughts on what
Nicola wore on budget Day.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Oh my goodness, this, honestly, this is so ridiculous. She's
absolutely right to say, you know, I've got more serious
things to think about now rather than what you think
about my dress. And I do think there's a bit
of cultural cringe there, the idea that a female politician
and a female politician and the men don't get the
same pressure has to wear this New Zealand designer dress. Whatever. Whatever,
(05:46):
We're not the only country that makes nice clothes, for
God's sake, She's entitled to wear whatever she wants. If
she wants to buy dress from the warehouse, let her
go for it. And I think, coming the week after
it was okay to call Tory and the national female
MP's the sea word, and then suddenly having a go
at what she's wearing, it's really unseemly and it feels
(06:07):
really sexist. It feels nasty. So yeah, I mean, if
she'd worn a dress that was worth maybe twenty thousand dollars,
maybe you'd look at that as she's cutting Kiwi souper
and Kiwi favor and pay equity and you'd think that's
a bit off. But that would be a money issue,
not a design or a clothes issue. So and I
actually I thought she looked amazing.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
I thought she were great as well. It was a
very fetching shade of blue. Okay, here, I'm going to
give you my theory, Trash. This is not a sexism thing,
because everybody's a day. We actually talked to the boys
like ad nauseum about their ties, right, So it's not sexist.
I think what it is is it is deeply unfair
to women on the right who seem to cop a
lot of on a lot of a lot of hatred
(06:49):
from the media because just Cinda, we talked about her outfits,
but it was always glowing. So as look she's wearing
some j hoo, she's you know, look at her beautiful
pregnancy dump.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Yeh, Trish comes in. That's exactly right. One thing I've
noticed is that ever since Nicola Willis became an MP,
people have discussed in a disparaging way what she looks like,
whether it's her hair or makeup or a dress or whatever.
So I think you're right there.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Can I say something? But can I say something about
the woman on the center? Right? There's that great saying
about dress for the job you want? And what I
love about a lot of the women that I see
out and about doing these big jobs. Is that they
turn up with the hair done, their makeup on, lipstick
(07:32):
done and a nice outfit.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
You're describing yourself.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
No, No, And I'm saying, actually, as as someone who
you know has to watch politics, I think there is
a standard that needs to be upheld. Look at Winston
Peters all these years, he's always turned up looking immaculate
because it's really important. And on the flip side, I
know last week he said, you know that standards in
(07:59):
Parliament had for and so I thought Nikola did a
fantastic job with that outfit on last on budget Day.
And the other thing I did was on the weekend
I went and had a look at the fold where
apparently that dress had come from. And what I loved
about that site it's obviously a site for practical corporate
(08:20):
woman who want to look good and value a hard
working polyester crape that if you have an accident on
the road, you can actually rinse it out in the
bathroom and dry it over the radiator and you'll still
look a million bucks in crape. No, absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Two very quick anecdotes to that. I once set up
a group with Sandra Lee of the former man and
was a hockey politician who I worked for. We set
up a group called Socialist can wear lipstick too, and
it kind of mutated into socialists can go skiing as
well as things like that. So yes, woman on the
center left as well, Trish can dress well, put up,
they make up, they walk, paint and wear a nice
(08:57):
dress and high heels. And the other anecdote I've got
us about Winston Peters who once told me that he
wears a pin striped suit wherever he goes, even if
he's arriving in a hot Pacific country, because he gets
off a plane to greet a prime minister of a
small Pacific country, he shows them the same respect that
he would the president of the United States of America.
(09:17):
So I thought that was an interesting anecdote about his
clothing choice.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yes, that's fair too, it does well.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
And I actually remember a certain minister in the previous
government seeing her do a stand up at a senior
ministerial meeting in Paris wearing a pair of Chuck Taylor's
that were done and I thought, this is absolutely unacceptable.
On the domestic political stage, and particularly on the international stage.
(09:43):
You need to actually be dressing like a grown.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Up, while she wearing track pants as well.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
A sort of nondescript pair of comfort comfort pants. I
would describe them ass.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
She says, pulling her jacket around her in a peak.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
A good one hundred percent will crape.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I will add this jacket.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
I'm saying, we've talked about clothes and not pay equity,
so like you know, we're just modeling.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
We're only taking the need from senior columnists who apparently
you can talk about everything as long as you don't
talk about pay equity. Thank you both, I appreciate. I'm
going to put some lipstick on forthwith Joe SPEGANI and
Tris Sherson.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Listen live to news Talks.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio
On the huddle with me. We have Tris Shurson Shurson,
Willis Prrer and Joe Spagani child fan CEO. Hello you too,
Hello Hello Trish. Now what do you make of the
police not investigating shoplifting below five hundred bucks?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I think it sends the wrong message to everyone. I
think it undermines community, the sort of community trust I
think it leads into. Already there are concerns around sort
of part time or partial policing. There are some small
towns around New Zealand where police come in for certain
(00:32):
hours of the day from regional regional hubs. I think
the other point about it, though, is it's not about
the material theft of stuff from shops. The bigger problem
here is the safety of frontline people. Think about all
the young teenage kids who work in supermarkets, young kids
(00:54):
who go to work in a dairy, the dairy owners themselves,
the young kids who are on the four court of
the petrol station. This is an issue about safety. And
I heard you talking earlier about the facial recognition technology
that supermarkets have been trialing. Again remembering that that is
a technology that is about the safety of the grosses
(01:16):
and their teams. In those stores because what it's targeting
is the nutso repeat offenders who have probably already been
trespassed and they're going to come back in and be
abusive and potentially violent to stuff. So I just think
this sends the wrong signal at the wrong time.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
What can you do, though, Josie, I mean, if you
haven't got enough cops, you haven't got enough cops.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Yeah, But the problem is, I mean, you're absolutely right, Trish.
It's the broken windows approach, right that if you leave
these smaller crimes, so called smaller crimes, and don't attend
to them, then you're basically sending a message you're going
to get away with it. And I had, I mean
a couple of years ago, it's not that long ago.
My son at university had his motorbike stolen at midnight.
(02:02):
Now most students, as you know, are up at midnight,
and so his mates were filming this as this van
turns up. The guys are quite comfortable, didn't have masks on.
They filmed these guys stealing his motorbike, getting the motorbike
slowly into the van, securing it, took a picture of
the number plate and nothing was done about it. So
(02:22):
you know you're right. The cops are going right well,
up which crime? Am I going to attend to? Am
I going to attend to that bike stolen? Or am
I to go for domestic elence? Issue out and somewhere wherever?
So yes, I can't get there, but I think, what
when you're interview with the cop and I heard he.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Was okay, hold on, I tell you what, Josie, We'll
call you back because your line is dodgy, as can
you guys call it back, Trish, What do you do though,
if we don't have enough cops? We don't have enough cops,
So what do we do?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
In my view, this is one of the areas like health,
like education, that has to be absolutely prioritized by politicians
because this is part of.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
The This is what we pay our taxes.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
This is exactly what we pay our taxes.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Actually, the first thing of the establishment of a state,
right where you all collectively come together and you go,
we're going to put our texts together. It's the first
thing you can put your taxes together is safety.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
And this is part of the social contract that any
government has with the people. And we can get distracted
with a whole lot of other stuff that happens in
the inanity of politics today. But this to me is
absolutely we need Josse.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Sorry we lost you there. But you were saying that
you were listening to the Coop.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Yeah, I was, And I think what he was trying
to say was something quite different, which is that most
shoplifters offend about fifty times before they get caught, So
it doesn't make sense to kind of go after someone
who's stolen something for forty bucks or something. They're probably
repeat offenders anyway, So they're focusing on the repeat offenders
rather than the kids nicking lollies. But the problem is
(03:57):
that they're not being very clear about that. They're also
not confronting the fact that two things. One is privacy laws.
If we're going to have face recognition storage of that footage,
then privacy laws have to catch up pretty quick with that.
And the second thing is small businesses and small towns
are really going to struggle with this because you're effectively
saying you've got to privatize your own security to get
(04:20):
your security guards.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
So, Josie, here's how the problem with it. If you
let the forty buck one go, then the forty buck
one becomes an eighty buck one next time one hundred
and twenty, and so you need to like, that's your
broken it's your very own broken windows thing that you
were talking about before. You need to catch those kids
at the start of it so they don't become the recidivists.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
I agree, and I think what they were trying to
do was trying to, you know, square that circle and go, oh,
we're going after the repeat offender. Is not the little
you know, kept feeling lolly, but it's come out all wrong.
So they need to sort out their messaging.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Christal Well and the other risk is that it appears
to people who do want to thieve and damage that
are below the value. These crimes are being decriminalized effectively.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Like don't offended. Now if every time you go to
the gas station, they go, you're going to have to
pay before you fill up because this because I mean,
you know, the alternative is everybody drives away with this stuff.
On one hundred and fifty. All right, you're back of
the huddle. Josepiguanni intricious and so Josie thoughts on what
Nicola wore on budget Day.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Oh my goodness, this, honestly, this is so ridiculous. She's
absolutely right to say, you know, I've got more serious
things to think about now rather than what you think
about my dress. And I do think there's a bit
of cultural cringe there, the idea that a female politician
and a female politician and the men don't get the
same pressure has to wear this New Zealand designer dress. Whatever. Whatever,
(05:46):
We're not the only country that makes nice clothes, for
God's sake, She's entitled to wear whatever she wants. If
she wants to buy dress from the warehouse, let her
go for it. And I think, coming the week after
it was okay to call Tory and the national female
MP's the sea word, and then suddenly having a go
at what she's wearing, it's really unseemly and it feels
(06:07):
really sexist. It feels nasty. So yeah, I mean, if
she'd worn a dress that was worth maybe twenty thousand dollars,
maybe you'd look at that as she's cutting Kiwi souper
and Kiwi favor and pay equity and you'd think that's
a bit off. But that would be a money issue,
not a design or a clothes issue. So and I
actually I thought she looked amazing.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
I thought she were great as well. It was a
very fetching shade of blue. Okay, here, I'm going to
give you my theory, Trash. This is not a sexism thing,
because everybody's a day. We actually talked to the boys
like ad nauseum about their ties, right, So it's not sexist.
I think what it is is it is deeply unfair
to women on the right who seem to cop a
lot of on a lot of a lot of hatred
(06:49):
from the media because just Cinda, we talked about her outfits,
but it was always glowing. So as look she's wearing
some j hoo, she's you know, look at her beautiful
pregnancy dump.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Yeh, Trish comes in. That's exactly right. One thing I've
noticed is that ever since Nicola Willis became an MP,
people have discussed in a disparaging way what she looks like,
whether it's her hair or makeup or a dress or whatever.
So I think you're right there.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Can I say something? But can I say something about
the woman on the center? Right? There's that great saying
about dress for the job you want? And what I
love about a lot of the women that I see
out and about doing these big jobs. Is that they
turn up with the hair done, their makeup on, lipstick
(07:32):
done and a nice outfit.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
You're describing yourself.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
No, No, And I'm saying, actually, as as someone who
you know has to watch politics, I think there is
a standard that needs to be upheld. Look at Winston
Peters all these years, he's always turned up looking immaculate
because it's really important. And on the flip side, I
know last week he said, you know that standards in
(07:59):
Parliament had for and so I thought Nikola did a
fantastic job with that outfit on last on budget Day.
And the other thing I did was on the weekend
I went and had a look at the fold where
apparently that dress had come from. And what I loved
about that site it's obviously a site for practical corporate
(08:20):
woman who want to look good and value a hard
working polyester crape that if you have an accident on
the road, you can actually rinse it out in the
bathroom and dry it over the radiator and you'll still
look a million bucks in crape. No, absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Two very quick anecdotes to that. I once set up
a group with Sandra Lee of the former man and
was a hockey politician who I worked for. We set
up a group called Socialist can wear lipstick too, and
it kind of mutated into socialists can go skiing as
well as things like that. So yes, woman on the
center left as well, Trish can dress well, put up,
they make up, they walk, paint and wear a nice
(08:57):
dress and high heels. And the other anecdote I've got
us about Winston Peters who once told me that he
wears a pin striped suit wherever he goes, even if
he's arriving in a hot Pacific country, because he gets
off a plane to greet a prime minister of a
small Pacific country, he shows them the same respect that
he would the president of the United States of America.
(09:17):
So I thought that was an interesting anecdote about his
clothing choice.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yes, that's fair too, it does well.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
And I actually remember a certain minister in the previous
government seeing her do a stand up at a senior
ministerial meeting in Paris wearing a pair of Chuck Taylor's
that were done and I thought, this is absolutely unacceptable.
On the domestic political stage, and particularly on the international stage.
(09:43):
You need to actually be dressing like a grown.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Up, while she wearing track pants as well.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
A sort of nondescript pair of comfort comfort pants. I
would describe them ass.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
She says, pulling her jacket around her in a peak.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
A good one hundred percent will crape.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I will add this jacket.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
I'm saying, we've talked about clothes and not pay equity,
so like you know, we're just modeling.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
We're only taking the need from senior columnists who apparently
you can talk about everything as long as you don't
talk about pay equity. Thank you both, I appreciate. I'm
going to put some lipstick on forthwith Joe SPEGANI and
Tris Sherson.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Listen live to news Talks.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio
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