August 29, 2025 • 10 mins
Tonight on the Huddle, Rugby editor Elliott Smith and Canterbury sports reader Nick Bey join Heather duPlessis-Allan to discuss the latest sports news.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's twenty one away.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
From six the Friday Sports title with New Zealand Subberbies
International Realty find you're one of a kind. A minimum
of twenty eight days for any concussion is required before
they actually go back to training and doing everything else.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
They're going to.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Treat a brain like a broken arm. Then why don't
we just take the cast off at ten days because
we all know we're going to rebreak it.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
The lucky loser kind of getting two advantages both in
terms of the second a second crack and also home
advantage in the semi if you're ranked high enough. So
live on that out full time Warris thirty two that
Titans eighteen.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Sports Title of US. This evening we have Elliott Smith
News talks EDBES Rugby editor rather and Nick Bewley News
Talk ZEDBE Canterbury Sports Treat Highlands Evening.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Did I hit it?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Elliott? Is Rugby doing enough to prevent the ct from
the head knocks?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Look, you can probably always do a little bit more,
I think, But let's not forget that this game isn't
the one that was played five years ago, played ten
years ago, played fifteen years ago, played forty years ago.
That it is constantly evolving, and obviously that the Shane
Christie news this week was absolutely horrific, and he's obviously
(01:23):
getting his brain donated to science to check this for
ct which he believed he had. But the game is
constantly evolving and trying to find ways that it can
be safer while also retaining what draws people to both
play it and watch it and get people through the
gates watching on TV. So look, you probably always do
(01:43):
a little bit more. But it's like smoking. You know,
people still want to smoke cigarettes. And where is that
line of just allow people to do it versus you.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Know, I like it. I like it because you're going
to go the personal responsibility one and I like it.
But it's a little bit more like if you go
to a factory or if you're working in a factory
and people are smoking cigarettes around you, right, your boss
has to tell you. In this instance, hey, if you're
going to hang around and all of the smoke like
you might you might die. That's that is where the
rugby that's where the rugby boss is fit in that equation.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yea, make it absolutely yeah. And there has been talked
when the past of players potentially signing waivers. I don't
know that you want to go that far. And New
Zealand we're lucky to have acc that can provide that
sort of treatment, which is not the case in the
Northern Hemisphere, and that's where all the law cases are
coming from because they don't have that sort of protection
up there. So I think rugby can always do more.
(02:38):
But there is a very very fine line and what
do you do? Do you do you mandate it that
basically you can't you can't play concussion for two months,
we'll players' report it.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Oh do you think so?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Way, we see you.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Earlier as we're watching the telly, we'll see them go
down with a massive head knock.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, But then after the game you know this, are
you the smart mouth guards help? But if you're coming back,
if you maybe took a knock in the game that
didn't trigger a smart mask guard, if you have to
stand down when you report for a month, six weeks,
whatever it might be, are you actually going to do
that if you're a player?
Speaker 1 (03:14):
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Nick? Oh, it's a complicated issue, isn't it. I think
just on that minimum standdown period, you know it is
worth noting. It's obviously improved up to twelve days, but
it is a little bit murky, I think, as Doug
King pointed out in that cut, that are you know,
why is a professional athletes brain different to that of
an amateur sports person's brain. In terms of the community
(03:36):
guidelines are a twenty one day minimum stand down professionals
being twelve. Other sports it changes again, and as sort
of Elliott was alluding to that, I don't probably subscribe
to the theory that the underreporting is going to be
happening because we know of how much the technology has
advanced over the last couple of years, with the smart
mouthguards probably the one. The only point I would stress
(03:57):
too is around that minimum standown period. It seems a
little bit harsh in my view to imply that there's
been pressure from rugby teams or high performance sport environments
to go back at eleven days just because it will
be to the benefit of that sports team. Like I'm
know our current example down here in Canterbury where a
professional player has been scrubbed out for the last couple
(04:18):
of weeks despite passing HIA test, just because they feel
like it is worth erring on the side of caution.
So It's a real complex issue. And it is really
unfortunate too here that at this point in time with
CTE we can't diagnose it until that player has passed.
And until then, I feel like we're making a lot
of judgments as to whether we think we can do more.
(04:40):
As Elliott said, you know, how long is a piece
of strng win terms of what more we can do,
it's pretty subjective.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Nick, how much would you pay to watch all of
the football the fief of football will Cup on TVNZ plus.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
That's probably a question for Jason Pine. I'm not the
greatest football officionado. And then the answer for you is nothing, No,
And that's exactly right. And look, I'll be covering and
I hope I'm still in a job by that point
with ZB but look, I'll watch the All Whites. I'll
kind of keep a bit of an interest. However, I
think the passionate football fans who want to see every
(05:13):
single game, and my brother in law, for example, absolutely
loves following Manchester City in the Premier League. I think
he'd pay about fifty bucks for it.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Oh yeah, Okay, there's something going on, Nick, that you're
not going to be employed by us mid next year.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
No, no, no, no, no, no, I just I always want to
put that caveat out there just in case.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Also, do you also cross the room and touch something
that's wooden?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Always?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Okay, you know we're in the media industry.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
After it, I was going to say, it's tough in
the media, Elliott. I'm going to come back to you
and just to check on that. Nick Clearley elliotts sports
title this evening, you're back with the sports huddle. Elliott,
how much would you pay?
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Well?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I think tvans has got me over a barrel a
little bit because i love football. I'm willing to watch
every game. I want to watch every game of the
FIFA World Cup when it's been on Sky. I've watched
plenty throughout so there's probably a line, but you know,
I'm going to pay it probably regardless of what they
put up. The games are going to be at a
good time, so I think the earliest to be about
(06:07):
five six am New Zealand time, right through the morning
into the afternoon. So look, I probably macks out at
about one hundred and twenty dollars, but I'm probably going
to pay whatever they ask, but I'm not sure how
it's a sustainable business model, is the other thing. And mean,
they're going to get the sugar hit from all the
FIFA fans coming in for the month long pass or
whatever it is, but then it's going to dry up again.
(06:29):
So I don't know how that's a sustainable business model
for TV.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
In Isn't it Isn't it isn't the idea just to
basically get us used like it. It's like a soft launch,
isn't it? Of their path?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
They haven't with Spark Sport. They did the tournament pass
of the twenty nineteen World carp and then everyone jumped
off again. So they need compelling content to keep coming,
you know, every every month. That's what sustains you know,
the Sky Sport and Netflix. Disney plusses. He keep coming
back every month, he keep playing paying that subscription.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Yeah too. Right now, did you see that Auckland FC
scheduling drama?
Speaker 4 (07:00):
I thought you're going to ask me about their their
uniforms actually, which I thought they looked like they look
like the black Caps test cricket kit, one of those
ones with the am Z on the front. But I like, yeah,
I did have a wee look at the scheduling issue.
This is with the Australia Cup, the knockout competition. They
thought they were going to play in about three or
four weeks time. Now it's been broad ahead because some
(07:21):
amateur teams off on a on her knees up to Vegas.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
What's how cool?
Speaker 1 (07:25):
What's going on?
Speaker 4 (07:26):
I mean?
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I mean, I don't want to interrupt a boys weekend
to Las Vegas. But surely actually playing your football is
more important, isn't it?
Speaker 4 (07:32):
And particularly I think the fact that Football Australia feels
like a willing to go into bat for their you know,
Victorian amateur club as opposed to Auckland FC, who have
been a sort of fantastic introduction into the A League,
at least sort of from the outside looking in. Ye're
curious to say the least.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, Elliott, what do you I mean? Is is it
playing favorites? Is that what's happened here?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
It feels like it shouldn't Aukland actually gone. Actually no,
we've got something books that weekend as well. We're going
to go to Topol, We're going to go to you know,
we've got something in the in the A lads trip
of ourselves. So we want to play on this state.
They should have fut for fire with fire. I reckon
and tried to get the date that they wanted.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Well, I don't know. With Taupo Taupo Las Vegas.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah, thank you, pick you pick, you.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Could step it up a little bit. Hey, listen, Elliott,
tell me something. Have you watched that video of Alexander
Usik dancing?
Speaker 3 (08:23):
I have.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
He doesn't look overly injur does he here?
Speaker 3 (08:26):
No?
Speaker 4 (08:27):
So?
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Does he have a back injury that has forced him
to not be able to play, to fight or what?
What's going on?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
I don't think so. I think he's trying to draw
this out and trigger the negotiations to an impass. And
because he doesn't want to fight Joseph Parker that his
camp made it relatively clear from the whispers they've put
out that year while that's been mandated, there's no interest
from the Saudias and Parker fighting Usk. The money's just
not there. So I think he's just biting time and
(08:53):
waiting for something to happen and trying to avoid Parker
because it's not an attractive enough fight. It's not going
to earn him the money that he wants. So I
think they're playing silly buggers. He's playing silly buggers. And
I feel sorry for Joseph Parker and all of this
because it's his world title fight that's been mandated, but
it increasingly looks like once again and it's happened before,
(09:13):
that he's going to be potentially left out in the
cold because he's not the drawer card at the Saudis
et cetera. Want from a business perspective.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Having said that, Nick, look, I've got a leg injury
that does you know? It excludes me from a marathon,
but it doesn't stop me, you know, walking.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
So are you comparing a marathon to twelve rings for
twelve brothers?
Speaker 1 (09:34):
I am comparing myself with Joseph Parker, and.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
I am oh, that's good stuff. Now, I think Elliott
sums out there it is unfortunate for Joseph Parker, but
these are the realities of the wheelings and dealings of
professional boxing, and you do hope for his sake he
can get back there. Who knows, I mean, Whosa could
relinquish this belt and maybe that's the best way Joseph
Parker has a chance at fighting for it for a
vacated world belt. But it doesn't look.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Great guys, enjoy your weekend. Thank you so much appreciated
Allot Smith and Nick Beuley on that.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Do you know what?
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I think that Nick might have struck it on the
fifty because Jody when she this my mate Jody who's
the boss of TV, and said, we're on first name basis. Yeah,
that's how a lot of this is going down. Jody
on her way out, she was like, how much would
you pay? And she was like, and I don't think
I'm breaking her confidence when she said, Mike said, and
we're talking about Mike Cosking obviously first name basis. Mike said,
but what did he say? Like one hundred and thirty
(10:25):
nine or something, didn't they? And she was like, but
Mike's not really normal, like financially and we were like, na,
nah not. And I said, yeah, fifty bucks, I reckon,
and then and then Nick backed it up with the
fifty I reckon the fifties. I reckon, they're not going
to She's done the research. I don't know why she's
bothering to poll normal people like me, but fifty if
Jody's listening, fifty fifty is where you want to hit it.
(10:46):
Sweet Spot for more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Listen live to News Talk said Be from four pm weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
It's twenty one away.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
From six the Friday Sports title with New Zealand Subberbies
International Realty find you're one of a kind. A minimum
of twenty eight days for any concussion is required before
they actually go back to training and doing everything else.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
They're going to.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Treat a brain like a broken arm. Then why don't
we just take the cast off at ten days because
we all know we're going to rebreak it.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
The lucky loser kind of getting two advantages both in
terms of the second a second crack and also home
advantage in the semi if you're ranked high enough. So
live on that out full time Warris thirty two that
Titans eighteen.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Sports Title of US. This evening we have Elliott Smith
News talks EDBES Rugby editor rather and Nick Bewley News
Talk ZEDBE Canterbury Sports Treat Highlands Evening.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Did I hit it?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Elliott? Is Rugby doing enough to prevent the ct from
the head knocks?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Look, you can probably always do a little bit more,
I think, But let's not forget that this game isn't
the one that was played five years ago, played ten
years ago, played fifteen years ago, played forty years ago.
That it is constantly evolving, and obviously that the Shane
Christie news this week was absolutely horrific, and he's obviously
(01:23):
getting his brain donated to science to check this for
ct which he believed he had. But the game is
constantly evolving and trying to find ways that it can
be safer while also retaining what draws people to both
play it and watch it and get people through the
gates watching on TV. So look, you probably always do
(01:43):
a little bit more. But it's like smoking. You know,
people still want to smoke cigarettes. And where is that
line of just allow people to do it versus you.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Know, I like it. I like it because you're going
to go the personal responsibility one and I like it.
But it's a little bit more like if you go
to a factory or if you're working in a factory
and people are smoking cigarettes around you, right, your boss
has to tell you. In this instance, hey, if you're
going to hang around and all of the smoke like
you might you might die. That's that is where the
rugby that's where the rugby boss is fit in that equation.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yea, make it absolutely yeah. And there has been talked
when the past of players potentially signing waivers. I don't
know that you want to go that far. And New
Zealand we're lucky to have acc that can provide that
sort of treatment, which is not the case in the
Northern Hemisphere, and that's where all the law cases are
coming from because they don't have that sort of protection
up there. So I think rugby can always do more.
(02:38):
But there is a very very fine line and what
do you do? Do you do you mandate it that
basically you can't you can't play concussion for two months,
we'll players' report it.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Oh do you think so?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Way, we see you.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Earlier as we're watching the telly, we'll see them go
down with a massive head knock.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, But then after the game you know this, are
you the smart mouth guards help? But if you're coming back,
if you maybe took a knock in the game that
didn't trigger a smart mask guard, if you have to
stand down when you report for a month, six weeks,
whatever it might be, are you actually going to do
that if you're a player?
Speaker 1 (03:14):
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Nick? Oh, it's a complicated issue, isn't it. I think
just on that minimum standdown period, you know it is
worth noting. It's obviously improved up to twelve days, but
it is a little bit murky, I think, as Doug
King pointed out in that cut, that are you know,
why is a professional athletes brain different to that of
an amateur sports person's brain. In terms of the community
(03:36):
guidelines are a twenty one day minimum stand down professionals
being twelve. Other sports it changes again, and as sort
of Elliott was alluding to that, I don't probably subscribe
to the theory that the underreporting is going to be
happening because we know of how much the technology has
advanced over the last couple of years, with the smart
mouthguards probably the one. The only point I would stress
(03:57):
too is around that minimum standown period. It seems a
little bit harsh in my view to imply that there's
been pressure from rugby teams or high performance sport environments
to go back at eleven days just because it will
be to the benefit of that sports team. Like I'm
know our current example down here in Canterbury where a
professional player has been scrubbed out for the last couple
(04:18):
of weeks despite passing HIA test, just because they feel
like it is worth erring on the side of caution.
So It's a real complex issue. And it is really
unfortunate too here that at this point in time with
CTE we can't diagnose it until that player has passed.
And until then, I feel like we're making a lot
of judgments as to whether we think we can do more.
(04:40):
As Elliott said, you know, how long is a piece
of strng win terms of what more we can do,
it's pretty subjective.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Nick, how much would you pay to watch all of
the football the fief of football will Cup on TVNZ plus.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
That's probably a question for Jason Pine. I'm not the
greatest football officionado. And then the answer for you is nothing, No,
And that's exactly right. And look, I'll be covering and
I hope I'm still in a job by that point
with ZB but look, I'll watch the All Whites. I'll
kind of keep a bit of an interest. However, I
think the passionate football fans who want to see every
(05:13):
single game, and my brother in law, for example, absolutely
loves following Manchester City in the Premier League. I think
he'd pay about fifty bucks for it.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Oh yeah, Okay, there's something going on, Nick, that you're
not going to be employed by us mid next year.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
No, no, no, no, no, no, I just I always want to
put that caveat out there just in case.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Also, do you also cross the room and touch something
that's wooden?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Always?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Okay, you know we're in the media industry.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
After it, I was going to say, it's tough in
the media, Elliott. I'm going to come back to you
and just to check on that. Nick Clearley elliotts sports
title this evening, you're back with the sports huddle. Elliott,
how much would you pay?
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Well?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I think tvans has got me over a barrel a
little bit because i love football. I'm willing to watch
every game. I want to watch every game of the
FIFA World Cup when it's been on Sky. I've watched
plenty throughout so there's probably a line, but you know,
I'm going to pay it probably regardless of what they
put up. The games are going to be at a
good time, so I think the earliest to be about
(06:07):
five six am New Zealand time, right through the morning
into the afternoon. So look, I probably macks out at
about one hundred and twenty dollars, but I'm probably going
to pay whatever they ask, but I'm not sure how
it's a sustainable business model, is the other thing. And mean,
they're going to get the sugar hit from all the
FIFA fans coming in for the month long pass or
whatever it is, but then it's going to dry up again.
(06:29):
So I don't know how that's a sustainable business model
for TV.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
In Isn't it Isn't it isn't the idea just to
basically get us used like it. It's like a soft launch,
isn't it? Of their path?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
They haven't with Spark Sport. They did the tournament pass
of the twenty nineteen World carp and then everyone jumped
off again. So they need compelling content to keep coming,
you know, every every month. That's what sustains you know,
the Sky Sport and Netflix. Disney plusses. He keep coming
back every month, he keep playing paying that subscription.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Yeah too. Right now, did you see that Auckland FC
scheduling drama?
Speaker 4 (07:00):
I thought you're going to ask me about their their
uniforms actually, which I thought they looked like they look
like the black Caps test cricket kit, one of those
ones with the am Z on the front. But I like, yeah,
I did have a wee look at the scheduling issue.
This is with the Australia Cup, the knockout competition. They
thought they were going to play in about three or
four weeks time. Now it's been broad ahead because some
(07:21):
amateur teams off on a on her knees up to Vegas.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
What's how cool?
Speaker 1 (07:25):
What's going on?
Speaker 4 (07:26):
I mean?
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I mean, I don't want to interrupt a boys weekend
to Las Vegas. But surely actually playing your football is
more important, isn't it?
Speaker 4 (07:32):
And particularly I think the fact that Football Australia feels
like a willing to go into bat for their you know,
Victorian amateur club as opposed to Auckland FC, who have
been a sort of fantastic introduction into the A League,
at least sort of from the outside looking in. Ye're
curious to say the least.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, Elliott, what do you I mean? Is is it
playing favorites? Is that what's happened here?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
It feels like it shouldn't Aukland actually gone. Actually no,
we've got something books that weekend as well. We're going
to go to Topol, We're going to go to you know,
we've got something in the in the A lads trip
of ourselves. So we want to play on this state.
They should have fut for fire with fire. I reckon
and tried to get the date that they wanted.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Well, I don't know. With Taupo Taupo Las Vegas.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah, thank you, pick you pick, you.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Could step it up a little bit. Hey, listen, Elliott,
tell me something. Have you watched that video of Alexander
Usik dancing?
Speaker 3 (08:23):
I have.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
He doesn't look overly injur does he here?
Speaker 3 (08:26):
No?
Speaker 4 (08:27):
So?
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Does he have a back injury that has forced him
to not be able to play, to fight or what?
What's going on?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
I don't think so. I think he's trying to draw
this out and trigger the negotiations to an impass. And
because he doesn't want to fight Joseph Parker that his
camp made it relatively clear from the whispers they've put
out that year while that's been mandated, there's no interest
from the Saudias and Parker fighting Usk. The money's just
not there. So I think he's just biting time and
(08:53):
waiting for something to happen and trying to avoid Parker
because it's not an attractive enough fight. It's not going
to earn him the money that he wants. So I
think they're playing silly buggers. He's playing silly buggers. And
I feel sorry for Joseph Parker and all of this
because it's his world title fight that's been mandated, but
it increasingly looks like once again and it's happened before,
(09:13):
that he's going to be potentially left out in the
cold because he's not the drawer card at the Saudis
et cetera. Want from a business perspective.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Having said that, Nick, look, I've got a leg injury
that does you know? It excludes me from a marathon,
but it doesn't stop me, you know, walking.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
So are you comparing a marathon to twelve rings for
twelve brothers?
Speaker 1 (09:34):
I am comparing myself with Joseph Parker, and.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
I am oh, that's good stuff. Now, I think Elliott
sums out there it is unfortunate for Joseph Parker, but
these are the realities of the wheelings and dealings of
professional boxing, and you do hope for his sake he
can get back there. Who knows, I mean, Whosa could
relinquish this belt and maybe that's the best way Joseph
Parker has a chance at fighting for it for a
vacated world belt. But it doesn't look.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Great guys, enjoy your weekend. Thank you so much appreciated
Allot Smith and Nick Beuley on that.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Do you know what?
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I think that Nick might have struck it on the
fifty because Jody when she this my mate Jody who's
the boss of TV, and said, we're on first name basis. Yeah,
that's how a lot of this is going down. Jody
on her way out, she was like, how much would
you pay? And she was like, and I don't think
I'm breaking her confidence when she said, Mike said, and
we're talking about Mike Cosking obviously first name basis. Mike said,
but what did he say? Like one hundred and thirty
(10:25):
nine or something, didn't they? And she was like, but
Mike's not really normal, like financially and we were like, na,
nah not. And I said, yeah, fifty bucks, I reckon,
and then and then Nick backed it up with the
fifty I reckon the fifties. I reckon, they're not going
to She's done the research. I don't know why she's
bothering to poll normal people like me, but fifty if
Jody's listening, fifty fifty is where you want to hit it.
(10:46):
Sweet Spot for more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Listen live to News Talk said Be from four pm weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
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New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Football’s funniest family duo — Jason Kelce of the Philadelphia Eagles and Travis Kelce of the Kansas City Chiefs — team up to provide next-level access to life in the league as it unfolds. The two brothers and Super Bowl champions drop weekly insights about the weekly slate of games and share their INSIDE perspectives on trending NFL news and sports headlines. They also endlessly rag on each other as brothers do, chat the latest in pop culture and welcome some very popular and well-known friends to chat with them. Check out new episodes every Wednesday. Follow New Heights on the Wondery App, YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to new episodes early and ad-free, and get exclusive content on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. And join our new membership for a unique fan experience by going to the New Heights YouTube channel now!
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