February 5, 2025 • 11 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Phil O'Reilly from Iron Duke Partners and Jack Tame from ZB's Saturday Mornings and Q&A joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
A new article out in the Herald today revealed TJ Perenara left the All Blacks in the dark about his controversial haka from the end of 2024. How problematic is this?
US President Donald Trump has claimed the US should be taking over Gaza. Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has voiced support for this idea - how seriously should we be taking all this?
There's reports claiming Air New Zealand is looking to upgrade the Koru lounge - what can we expect from this?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, local and
global exposure like no other.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Joining us tonight fellow Riley Iron Duke Partner's former boss
of business, en z Hi Phil.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
In the Capitol.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Great to have you joining us in the Capitol. And
Jack Tamer is here, host of Q and A and
Saturday Morning. Hey Jack, welcome back. Hey right, good to
have you. Let's start with TJ. Phil. What is this
was a really interesting story from Gregor Paul in the Hill.
We've just spoken to him. What did you make of it?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Yeah, I think that's a break from Gregor. Is't it
well done for him? I just thought, you know, it's
the old story that sportsman, no matter how famous Oarry,
he's a Wellington icon, TJ. Pire and Arras So obviously
I've clapped and supported him for many many years and
I still do. But it just goes to the point
that sportsman, sportsmen and women need to understand they're not
actually cultural icons, they're not actually politicians. They're there to
(00:52):
entertained the public and play sport. And if he wants
to say something into a microphone, that's fine. I'll take
that on the on the basis that it's given to
take what should be the most unifying thing for all
New Zealand. It's the All Blacks hacker and the words
said before that is making a political statement that he
and he alone seemed to want to make. I just
don't think that that's right. And I think Greg's right
(01:12):
to break the story and for people to actually criticize
the team a bit for not doing not doing all
their best to make sure that didn't happen. So, you know,
it's a sad end to what was a great career.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Because Jack, the thing is with the hacker's you perform
it together, You've kind of got no choice in the matter, right,
And for him to say something that had so much
meaning without telling his teammates, I think that's a little uncol.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Well, it sounds like he did raise raise it with
his teammates. The extent to which he raised it and
actually articulated the message he was going to be sharing
is probably up to debate. So I suppose if you
look at it from the other side, All Blacks management,
the team, senior management did know before they walked down
on the field. At least some of them knew that
TJ was going to be going offscript compared to most
(02:02):
of his other performances leading the Harker, they did have
an opportunity if they were really profoundly concerned about the
message he was going to be sharing, to pull him
either from that role or from the matchday squad. It
would have been an extreme call, But if they really
felt that strongly, I suppose that was available to them.
And I, you know, I push back a little bit
on the pedestal thing and sport people on politics. I
(02:24):
know that not everyone likes it when sports people speak up,
but we as a society are the ones who give
them these incredible, big platforms. And when you give someone
a platform, in my view, you can't really pick and
choose what they decided to do with it. And you know,
if TJ were to expect to have an all Blacks
career after this, if he was expecting to be in
leadership positions in New Zealand rugby after this, well then
(02:47):
he might duly expect some consequences from that decision. But ultimately,
we as a society decide to put these people on pedestals,
and I think it's on us when they decided to
use that attention.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I agree with you, Jack, except for it was on
work time, you know, like when you're doing the If
he was tweeting up a storm in the weekend, well
I don't really care, but Phil, I you know, to me,
that's where it sort of crosses into work territory.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
That's exactly right. I agree with Jack if he wants
to say something about whatever he wants to say, if
he wants to be if he wants to say the
Earth flat, well that's fine. I'll take it on I'll
take it on advice. And because I know he's not
an expert on estrophysics, you know, but when he does
it in the middle of what should be the most
unifying act by anybody in New Zealand, the All Black Sacker,
I can't think of many more unifying acts than that,
(03:35):
then then I don't think it's wrong. And he should
have actually been more respectful of the traditions of the Hacker,
of the fact that the All Blacks are a big unifier.
And if you wanted to start after the game, it's fine.
I mean, he's right, Jeck right about that. If he's
a celebrity, he's well known, he's got a platform. He
can say what he likes, but I don't think during the.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Hacker Fellow Riley and Jack tam on the huddle this evening,
both of them, I'm sure go to the corry lounge.
So we'll talk about that.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
With New Zealand Southerby's International Realty Elevate the marketing of your.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Home fourteen away from sixth pill O'Reilly and Jack Tame
on the hudd to welcome back guys. So Jack, I'll
start with you because obviously you were US correspondent. You
were there for a portion of when Trump was in
first time round, and he's come out today and said
he's going to take whatever this means, take over Gaza
and build. What did you read? What are you thinking
when you're listening to that?
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Ah? I mean I actually just try and temper my
shock and outrage or a surprise with Donald trump announcements,
because he does have a habit of going zero to
one hundred and then pulling back a fair bit. I
mean that the tariff stuff this week is quite a
good example.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Right.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
He comes out and says I'm going to put in
these massive tariffs and everyone goes, oh my god, the
stock market's freak out, and then two days later actually
pears it all back. I'm not saying who does it
all the time, but you know, I think it's a
pretty extreme suggestion for Gaza, and it's unlikely to go
anywhere for several main reasons. Number one, I can't see
Jordan in Egypt very happily taking all of the Palestinians
(05:04):
have sadly been stuck in Gaza for this time. And
number two, I think looking at the likes of some
of the other Golf states for their reaction, it gives
you a good steer as to where the Americans are
likely to go. So keep in mind that the Americans
prioritize their relationship with Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia before the
October ninth attacks, had been looking at normalizing its relationship
(05:27):
with Israel. They now say they won't be normalizing relationships
with Israel until Palestine has its own state. So I
can only imagine that if Trump were to push ahead
seriously with a policy like this and Gaza and get
Israeli support, someone like the Saudis would come in and
mix it.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, I mean, as Sadi has already come out and
said they don't like they don't like the idea. Phil
It sounded to me almost like it was more of
less of a of a geopolitical land grab and more
of a development opportunity.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Well exactly. I mean there's a just need to I
think he spoke clumsily, and I looked at I thought
I could seal the reaction from it. But there's actually
a precedent for all this. It's after the second one,
what it's called the Marshall Plan, when the United States
invested heavily in the redevelopment and the rebuilding of Europe,
(06:17):
and that that worked out. Okay, didn't it? You know
what I mean? And I think there's a piece where
he says, you know, well, we'll clear it out, we'll
sort of it. I think that's the property developer speaking. Actually.
I think he's saying we can actually rebuild this. And
I take that level in many ways that you're not
trying to defend it, because I don't think it happened
even then. But let's be clear. I mean, there are
there that's rebuilding the Gaza strip and creating new businesses,
(06:40):
new employment opportunities, even if some of them are in tourism,
might actually be a good idea, and maybe we should
think about that rather than simply returning to some sort
of warlike states. So I take them at that level,
but I don't take him much. I don't take them
very seriously at that level, because even that is simply,
to Jack's point, is simply not going to occur. There's
so much interest in in the the rest of the
Gaza story in economic development is not even close to
(07:03):
being a part of that story. He also said, remember
when he was visiting Kim John Win, I think in
North Korea. He said of some of the shortfront he
was landing in the plane and he said that it
makes for some great condos. You know, you can take
the property developer out in New York. So New York,
he's always going to be a property developer. So I
think that's that's what he's really talking about. I think,
and I don't think it'll be taken seriously. But I
(07:24):
don't think he's talking about occupying Palestine with US soldiers
and kicking Palestinian people that I don't think that's actually
what he's meaning.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
No, I don't think so either. Jack. Are you a
Cory Lounge user?
Speaker 4 (07:36):
I am a coach US and I'm one of these
people who like, I'll own it. I just kind of
resort to a childlike state, you know, like a child
that abberth that party. It is this kind of pathetic thing.
We go in there, and I think, for goodness sake,
I go down to countdown and buy a wedge of
cheap breath for four dollars. And here I am having
my seventh serve. What have I become? And and yes,
(08:01):
I take solace from the fact that when it comes
to unedifying behavior, I'm still probably in the upper quartile
of well behaved people in the COTTU club. I cannot
believe the speed with which otherwise successful and dignified people
seem to throw any shred of dignity away in that room.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
How at my tray? Tell what's it like in there, Philip?
Because I think here's the thing, I'm too cheap like.
I don't know whether you get it as part of
your work package, Jack, but I'll be talking to you
offline after this about I don't but what does it cost?
It's like, what is it eight hundred dollars these days
or seven hundred dollars or something. I'm too cheap to
fork out for that, phil You know, I'd rather be
(08:40):
outside getting macas or something. Personally, I was just I.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Was just reflecting on the people, the lack of dignity
and occasionally when I need a glass of wine. I
lacked the dignity jobs that are pushing through, wading through
the crowds and backpack and thing. Let me at the rose.
So yeah, but actually, well I haven't paid for it
for a long time. The reason was I fly. They frequently.
I'll be flying. It's a very very frequent flyer of
NIW zeal for thirty eight years now. So they give
(09:05):
it to me for free and then it's off and
I fly. But I can assure your listeners that it's
a pretty grim place, particularly Friday afternoon, domestic Corey lounge
place on their suits and so on.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
When you've when you've been a member of the of
the Delta Club, I can assure you it's a whole
lot better than plenty of the international actions.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
No, that's true. But I think by my point, Ryan,
is that if any zeald thinks they're going to make
things better by coming up with a bigger, better, brader lounge,
I think they've got a bit more work to do,
certainly for customers like me. Where. Frankly, I've been flying
the regularly for thirty years, and every time I get
on the plane, every time I walk into one of
those lounges, they treat me as if on my first
time fly. They don't know who I am. They've got
(09:50):
no idea. So they've really got to work if they
want to actually get customer loyalty, they certainly don't even
need from me. If they want to get customer world,
they can have to treat people better. Little flyers and
new lounges and flash new stuff like that's not going
to cut it.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Do you know what? You need a T shirt that
says don't you know who I am? To solve the problem?
Do you know?
Speaker 3 (10:13):
One day a petrol flash away? It must been a
bit of fun there too.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
One day it'll all be ai, there'll be no people
there and they will know who you are.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Okay, right, yeah, that'll be a worry. That'll beesome.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Oh goodness me all right, Hey, thank you guys very much,
lovely to have you on. Just before White Tangy Fellow,
rileygh Iron Juke Partner's former boss of business n Z
and Jack Tame Proud Cardo member host of Q and
A and Saturday morning. I should really just stop being
a tight US and get myself a membership, shouldn't I?
But then the thing is you have to then also
get the Air New Zealand flight, So there's no point
(10:47):
in having kudoo if you're going to sometimes get a
jet Star flight, which I sometimes do because the price
differential is so mad that I would go pay for
the thirty nine dollars jet Star flight rather than the
two hundred twenty dollars in New Zealand. One is that
just me? I think that's a practical reasonable approach.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
For more from hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, local and
global exposure like no other.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Joining us tonight fellow Riley Iron Duke Partner's former boss
of business, en z Hi Phil.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
In the Capitol.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Great to have you joining us in the Capitol. And
Jack Tamer is here, host of Q and A and
Saturday Morning. Hey Jack, welcome back. Hey right, good to
have you. Let's start with TJ. Phil. What is this
was a really interesting story from Gregor Paul in the Hill.
We've just spoken to him. What did you make of it?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Yeah, I think that's a break from Gregor. Is't it
well done for him? I just thought, you know, it's
the old story that sportsman, no matter how famous Oarry,
he's a Wellington icon, TJ. Pire and Arras So obviously
I've clapped and supported him for many many years and
I still do. But it just goes to the point
that sportsman, sportsmen and women need to understand they're not
actually cultural icons, they're not actually politicians. They're there to
(00:52):
entertained the public and play sport. And if he wants
to say something into a microphone, that's fine. I'll take
that on the on the basis that it's given to
take what should be the most unifying thing for all
New Zealand. It's the All Blacks hacker and the words
said before that is making a political statement that he
and he alone seemed to want to make. I just
don't think that that's right. And I think Greg's right
(01:12):
to break the story and for people to actually criticize
the team a bit for not doing not doing all
their best to make sure that didn't happen. So, you know,
it's a sad end to what was a great career.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Because Jack, the thing is with the hacker's you perform
it together, You've kind of got no choice in the matter, right,
And for him to say something that had so much
meaning without telling his teammates, I think that's a little uncol.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Well, it sounds like he did raise raise it with
his teammates. The extent to which he raised it and
actually articulated the message he was going to be sharing
is probably up to debate. So I suppose if you
look at it from the other side, All Blacks management,
the team, senior management did know before they walked down
on the field. At least some of them knew that
TJ was going to be going offscript compared to most
(02:02):
of his other performances leading the Harker, they did have
an opportunity if they were really profoundly concerned about the
message he was going to be sharing, to pull him
either from that role or from the matchday squad. It
would have been an extreme call, But if they really
felt that strongly, I suppose that was available to them.
And I, you know, I push back a little bit
on the pedestal thing and sport people on politics. I
(02:24):
know that not everyone likes it when sports people speak up,
but we as a society are the ones who give
them these incredible, big platforms. And when you give someone
a platform, in my view, you can't really pick and
choose what they decided to do with it. And you know,
if TJ were to expect to have an all Blacks
career after this, if he was expecting to be in
leadership positions in New Zealand rugby after this, well then
(02:47):
he might duly expect some consequences from that decision. But ultimately,
we as a society decide to put these people on pedestals,
and I think it's on us when they decided to
use that attention.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I agree with you, Jack, except for it was on
work time, you know, like when you're doing the If
he was tweeting up a storm in the weekend, well
I don't really care, but Phil, I you know, to me,
that's where it sort of crosses into work territory.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
That's exactly right. I agree with Jack if he wants
to say something about whatever he wants to say, if
he wants to be if he wants to say the
Earth flat, well that's fine. I'll take it on I'll
take it on advice. And because I know he's not
an expert on estrophysics, you know, but when he does
it in the middle of what should be the most
unifying act by anybody in New Zealand, the All Black Sacker,
I can't think of many more unifying acts than that,
(03:35):
then then I don't think it's wrong. And he should
have actually been more respectful of the traditions of the Hacker,
of the fact that the All Blacks are a big unifier.
And if you wanted to start after the game, it's fine.
I mean, he's right, Jeck right about that. If he's
a celebrity, he's well known, he's got a platform. He
can say what he likes, but I don't think during the.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Hacker Fellow Riley and Jack tam on the huddle this evening,
both of them, I'm sure go to the corry lounge.
So we'll talk about that.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
With New Zealand Southerby's International Realty Elevate the marketing of your.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Home fourteen away from sixth pill O'Reilly and Jack Tame
on the hudd to welcome back guys. So Jack, I'll
start with you because obviously you were US correspondent. You
were there for a portion of when Trump was in
first time round, and he's come out today and said
he's going to take whatever this means, take over Gaza
and build. What did you read? What are you thinking
when you're listening to that?
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Ah? I mean I actually just try and temper my
shock and outrage or a surprise with Donald trump announcements,
because he does have a habit of going zero to
one hundred and then pulling back a fair bit. I
mean that the tariff stuff this week is quite a
good example.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Right.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
He comes out and says I'm going to put in
these massive tariffs and everyone goes, oh my god, the
stock market's freak out, and then two days later actually
pears it all back. I'm not saying who does it
all the time, but you know, I think it's a
pretty extreme suggestion for Gaza, and it's unlikely to go
anywhere for several main reasons. Number one, I can't see
Jordan in Egypt very happily taking all of the Palestinians
(05:04):
have sadly been stuck in Gaza for this time. And
number two, I think looking at the likes of some
of the other Golf states for their reaction, it gives
you a good steer as to where the Americans are
likely to go. So keep in mind that the Americans
prioritize their relationship with Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia before the
October ninth attacks, had been looking at normalizing its relationship
(05:27):
with Israel. They now say they won't be normalizing relationships
with Israel until Palestine has its own state. So I
can only imagine that if Trump were to push ahead
seriously with a policy like this and Gaza and get
Israeli support, someone like the Saudis would come in and
mix it.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, I mean, as Sadi has already come out and
said they don't like they don't like the idea. Phil
It sounded to me almost like it was more of
less of a of a geopolitical land grab and more
of a development opportunity.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Well exactly. I mean there's a just need to I
think he spoke clumsily, and I looked at I thought
I could seal the reaction from it. But there's actually
a precedent for all this. It's after the second one,
what it's called the Marshall Plan, when the United States
invested heavily in the redevelopment and the rebuilding of Europe,
(06:17):
and that that worked out. Okay, didn't it? You know
what I mean? And I think there's a piece where
he says, you know, well, we'll clear it out, we'll
sort of it. I think that's the property developer speaking. Actually.
I think he's saying we can actually rebuild this. And
I take that level in many ways that you're not
trying to defend it, because I don't think it happened
even then. But let's be clear. I mean, there are
there that's rebuilding the Gaza strip and creating new businesses,
(06:40):
new employment opportunities, even if some of them are in tourism,
might actually be a good idea, and maybe we should
think about that rather than simply returning to some sort
of warlike states. So I take them at that level,
but I don't take him much. I don't take them
very seriously at that level, because even that is simply,
to Jack's point, is simply not going to occur. There's
so much interest in in the the rest of the
Gaza story in economic development is not even close to
(07:03):
being a part of that story. He also said, remember
when he was visiting Kim John Win, I think in
North Korea. He said of some of the shortfront he
was landing in the plane and he said that it
makes for some great condos. You know, you can take
the property developer out in New York. So New York,
he's always going to be a property developer. So I
think that's that's what he's really talking about. I think,
and I don't think it'll be taken seriously. But I
(07:24):
don't think he's talking about occupying Palestine with US soldiers
and kicking Palestinian people that I don't think that's actually
what he's meaning.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
No, I don't think so either. Jack. Are you a
Cory Lounge user?
Speaker 4 (07:36):
I am a coach US and I'm one of these
people who like, I'll own it. I just kind of
resort to a childlike state, you know, like a child
that abberth that party. It is this kind of pathetic thing.
We go in there, and I think, for goodness sake,
I go down to countdown and buy a wedge of
cheap breath for four dollars. And here I am having
my seventh serve. What have I become? And and yes,
(08:01):
I take solace from the fact that when it comes
to unedifying behavior, I'm still probably in the upper quartile
of well behaved people in the COTTU club. I cannot
believe the speed with which otherwise successful and dignified people
seem to throw any shred of dignity away in that room.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
How at my tray? Tell what's it like in there, Philip?
Because I think here's the thing, I'm too cheap like.
I don't know whether you get it as part of
your work package, Jack, but I'll be talking to you
offline after this about I don't but what does it cost?
It's like, what is it eight hundred dollars these days
or seven hundred dollars or something. I'm too cheap to
fork out for that, phil You know, I'd rather be
(08:40):
outside getting macas or something. Personally, I was just I.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Was just reflecting on the people, the lack of dignity
and occasionally when I need a glass of wine. I
lacked the dignity jobs that are pushing through, wading through
the crowds and backpack and thing. Let me at the rose.
So yeah, but actually, well I haven't paid for it
for a long time. The reason was I fly. They frequently.
I'll be flying. It's a very very frequent flyer of
NIW zeal for thirty eight years now. So they give
(09:05):
it to me for free and then it's off and
I fly. But I can assure your listeners that it's
a pretty grim place, particularly Friday afternoon, domestic Corey lounge
place on their suits and so on.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
When you've when you've been a member of the of
the Delta Club, I can assure you it's a whole
lot better than plenty of the international actions.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
No, that's true. But I think by my point, Ryan,
is that if any zeald thinks they're going to make
things better by coming up with a bigger, better, brader lounge,
I think they've got a bit more work to do,
certainly for customers like me. Where. Frankly, I've been flying
the regularly for thirty years, and every time I get
on the plane, every time I walk into one of
those lounges, they treat me as if on my first
time fly. They don't know who I am. They've got
(09:50):
no idea. So they've really got to work if they
want to actually get customer loyalty, they certainly don't even
need from me. If they want to get customer world,
they can have to treat people better. Little flyers and
new lounges and flash new stuff like that's not going
to cut it.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Do you know what? You need a T shirt that
says don't you know who I am? To solve the problem?
Do you know?
Speaker 3 (10:13):
One day a petrol flash away? It must been a
bit of fun there too.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
One day it'll all be ai, there'll be no people
there and they will know who you are.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Okay, right, yeah, that'll be a worry. That'll beesome.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Oh goodness me all right, Hey, thank you guys very much,
lovely to have you on. Just before White Tangy Fellow,
rileygh Iron Juke Partner's former boss of business n Z
and Jack Tame Proud Cardo member host of Q and
A and Saturday morning. I should really just stop being
a tight US and get myself a membership, shouldn't I?
But then the thing is you have to then also
get the Air New Zealand flight, So there's no point
(10:47):
in having kudoo if you're going to sometimes get a
jet Star flight, which I sometimes do because the price
differential is so mad that I would go pay for
the thirty nine dollars jet Star flight rather than the
two hundred twenty dollars in New Zealand. One is that
just me? I think that's a practical reasonable approach.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
For more from hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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